Yeah, I can see price being a factor at the high handicap range. But when you get to this range, you’d think players are looking for the best equipment. His entire criteria is flawed imo. Askgolfnut seems to be the only guy who gets it from what I’ve seen.
@@AlabamaGolferAgreed. @askgolfnut has the best reviews on RUclips at the moment. Especially the way he cisualizes forgiveness and accounts for different swing speeds.
Are u ok Rick?? ... NOBODY gives points for distance with difference in loft.... GET CLUBS TO MATCH the loft ... amazing fail from someone supposed to "professional" in this stuff.... loooooooved ur test stuff "back in the days"... now this is just crap for people with no golf brain at all.... total shame!
Yeah you missed the point big time. Every 20-30 handicapper doesn’t give a crap that it’s 3 degrees more loft it goes farther. It’s like you want him to take the irons made for the worst and treat them like a scratch golfers trying to pick the best.
Exactly, why are you giving something 6 points just bc it had the strongest 7 iron loft from the bunch.. either distance should have been extremely limited on points or it shouldn't be a category at all smh
I do have to agree here. For players irons, maybe carry distance dispersion would have been better, or some sort of accuracy measure, like strokes gained or the overall dispersion ovals? Which I guess he included, but I think he should have weighted it better.
You must compensate for different lofts. A little math can do this but it's totally unfair to award the same points for distance when there are different lofts. You can calculate what the others brands WOULD be if they were all the same loft. Or you can divide average distance and loft and get yard per degree or something like that. Or better, learn how to adjust lofts and bend them all to the same loft, overriding the manufacturer's gamesmanship.
I agree, however, players using these dont care if they go far. They just care if they go the right distance for their gapping. The category should be distance consistancy.
To expand on your point he doesn’t even correlate that the loft and distance are directly proportional. 4, 5, 6 = 34 1 = 31. Respect to Rick for ranking Wilson high but I don’t listen to Rick for technical knowledge.
Also if you pay attention to these review videos he is promoting brands like takomo and vice. Seems like the influencers are getting paid by promoting these recently. Just test for yourself. I know these are cheaper brands, but just go test yourself
Really not to be a hater here, but the fact there was no Srixon ZX7, Mizuno 243, Callaway Apex CB, or Cobra King Tour just makes this an absolute joke. This video is missing some of the best performance in this category. Rick makes good content, but when it comes to reviewing clubs it’s just not it. I know it was said but looks sound and feel are all subjective. WE WANT TO SEE DATA. Which spins the most/least, which launches the lowest/highest, which creates the most ball speed with the same loft, and most importantly which is the most a consistent in doing those things. GO GET FIT, leave biases to the side, go with performance and what checks your boxes of feel of the best performers.
I'm a 4.4 handicap golfer and currently swing the Takomo 301 CB's. I just love them. I got them with .5" shorter shafts and 1 degree flat and midsize grips. They're perfect. They just feel so right for me. This test was very fair and subjective. I wish you would include spin rates with those distance numbers.. along with descent angle.
@@adamprice9231 Yep, I think the commenter got it mixed up and said subjective instead of objective. That's the trouble with a lot of youtube comments. People use words they don't understand or sound like the word they think they should use.
I think hardly any serious golfers would agree with this review....4 major brands are not even being reviewed.....how many are going to seriously by Vice or Takomo
@@bradfortner8921 the Vice, Takomo etc might be as good and even better when golfers would use these clubs but my point is majority would not even look at these brands in the first place…mainly on line or in a golf pro shop etc…Vice or Takomo wouldn’t even be on sale
Unfortunately, Srixon releases their irons every 2 years, so the ZX7 MK2's came out in January 2023 which is probably why they weren't in this video. Which sucks because they're so cheap now and if they were in this test they would have gotten top points for price and feel, and probably would have finished top 2.
"6 of the most popular sets of irons" when does that review come out?, because this is not it, how can you leave out Callaway, Srixon and Mizuno?. Again I love your stuff Rick, but serious just adjust your title/intro to be a bit more factual and you wouldn't get such negative feedback about your reviews, Maybe "Rick's favourite low HCP irons". And a "Carry distance category" what are you doing? Perhaps a front to back accuracy test, this is one of the most important aspects of these types of irons. I know you don't like how expensive golf clubs are getting, are these reviews designed to promote the new cheaper clubs on the market as a bit of a protest?
Would have liked to see a different approach to distance rating (especially in players irons). I don’t care how far they carry…I do care that it’s a consistent carry and how much spin is generated for stopping/roll.
Exactly. My fitting the longest and straightest irons I hit had a massive front to back dispersion. Knowing how far you hit it consistently is better than knowing I can hit a 180 7 iron once a month. Hardly surprising that this was overlooked here though
Hard to believe the T100’s came in last place. My 2021 T100S are similar in design with 2 degrees stronger lofts and they feel and look amazing. Performance is awesome too with Fully forged heads with a 70-90 grams of tungsten in the heel and toe for forgiveness. No need to change them until the grooves are worn down
Play the T100s as well with 6.5 rifles. Best irons I’ve ever played. That’s why it’s best to always get fitted and take these videos with a grain of salt on a Sunday.
I have the 2019 T-100S set. They look, feel, and play AMAZING. I knew right away they were the irons for me & I’ll almost def be replacing them w/the same (but most recent) model whenever I’m ready for new irons. The T-150 set really interests me too.
@ my custom fit 2021 T100S irons are 6 iron to 48 degree wedge. This past spring I wanted a 5 iron, no used ones around and Titleist had stopped making them. I custom ordered a T150 5 iron to my specs and it’s amazing. 10 years ago I would’ve sold or traded in my T 100 S irons moved into the T150 but not today. Keeping them them until the grooves wear out.
Carry distance makes no sense to me? Wouldn't it be what club hits the distance number the most consistently? Length is relevant if not consistent? Or am I wrong here
Had an iron fitting this year after having my fitted Mizuno MX1000's for 15 years and was a choice between the Wilson CB's and Titleist T150's. Both great sets but the Wilson's grouping was so much closer. Had the clubs now for 4 months and they are amazing
I think rather than distance (which is immaterial for a low handicapper), you could have done %-distance dispersion. Maybe Vice would have still won, but it would have felt both more relevant as well as more fair given the various lofts.
I got myself some taylormade p7mc's around August last year, I probably shouldn't of being new to golf (april 2024) but I my thinking was invest in irons that are on paper above my skill level to force myself to get better and it has. Started off in April shooting around 105 per round to now shooting around 90. Personal best to date is 87 😊
Yeah, this test was worthless. Appreciate you taking the time to do it but not my cup of tee. When you get into lower handicap range you need workability and several other factors.
Love these videos, but you can't do this test without: Callaway APEX CB, Cobra King CB, Srixon ZX7 MKII, Mizuno Pro 243. All of these sets will outsell both the Vice and Takomo, even though they may perform decently. I see why you left the lofts at stock, but at the same loft there wouldn't be much, or almost at all, of a difference in distance. Then you'd see which clubs give the most speed.
I am on 2 seasons and my second set of wilson staff model cb's and I love the feel. That's the only reason I bought them after coming off a Mizuno set I couldn't relinquish for 20 years. Mizuno should be included in this test. Otherwise, it just isn't fair. Afterall, Mizuno is the leader in forged club feel. But Wilson is cheaper and just as good. Gonna purchase a set of Takomo's as well this spring and see where they take me. Thanks Rick. Keep up the good work.
A low handicap iron test without a Mizuno club is downright laughable, not to mention giving a club first place points for distance when it’s 3° stronger than the others 🤦♂️
Are you thinking about doing this for hybrids? I’m considering upgrading my hybrid this year, and I’m curious how you would rate hybrids. Thanks. I really enjoy your videos.
I’m currently an 11 GHIN. When I first got my T-100S set in 2020 in was around a 20 GHIN. I actually improved my swing/scores after moving away from “game improvement” irons to the ones rec’ed for much better golfers than I was. The guy who fitted me was actually quite apprehensive, but I knew what I wanted & was confident I could hit them. Which, obviously, I can now. I honestly think the mental side plays a big role too in the club-fitting. If you are confident you can hit a “low handicapper” iron & the feel/look good to you at address, man, go for it. I absolutely LOVE my T100S set. If price was more of an issue & I were to replace them, I’d prob go w/either the Wilson or Takomo set. The Vice looks ugly to me. Burning reality, when I get my next set in 2-3 years, I’ll prob go the T-150 if they are still selling those.
I hit those Wilson's a couple times in the shop. I found the hardest ball they had there, and they still felt good. Might be something to think about with your feel tests, grab a top flight ball and exaggerated the feel.
I went thru extensive testing with all the brands u tested, sans Vice and Wilson, but I included Mizuno 245, Callaway apex and Srixon zx7 and zx5. The zx5 had the best feel and distance and accuracy for me.
Distance I think should stay in relation to loft, maybe constant distant in relation to loft, and how far you should hit that loft! Love theses episodes thanks!
I love your content but all of these videos are just too opinion based and not standardised enough. Someone else mentioned lofts, also shaft differences need to be taken into account, and more focused on consistency
I have been playing the Wilson Staff Blades for some time and I agree with the feel of Wilson products, just no comparison to my old Callaway and Titleist clubs I used to play...
Please, you need to teach people that DYNAMIC loft is what is important. The amount of people not understanding this is crazy. Static Loft is just a fitting parameter and you have just the platform to educate the masses.
@GregKuper-c8p Assuming that everyone delivers the same loft relative to static is the issue. I'm saying we need to know both. If we can see the difference between dynamic and static that Rick delivers vs someone who delivers little to no shaft lean, that gives so much more context. Aside from fitting, the OEMs also claim that CG locations and face flexing can alter dynamic loft to manage height. Without Dynamic Loft, how do we validate that claim? Static loft factors into dynamic loft but that effect is specific to someone's swing. It is the most direct path to altering height, but you only know which way to go when you have Dynamic Loft.
2 of the 5 categories are subjective and opinionated and another is irrelevant to a better player. Why does a better player care how far his 7 iron goes. Wether a 9 iron goes 142 or 155 is the difference between carrying a 4th wedge or not. This obsession with distance being so important is goofy. Sure with a driver it makes sense. But with irons you should be looking at how consistent they are in hitting whatever distance the 7iron goes. Does it hit 170 yards every time? Or is it 173 sometimes, 167 other times? That’s WAY more important than overall average carry distance. What about spin rates? Stopping distance after carry? None of the actually important stats for better players have been considered here.
I tried the Wilson staff demo club at the range and found the carry distance incredibly consistent with only 3 yards of a difference from front to back and only 5 yards left and right of the mid line, however still not updating my V6 irons (just perfect).
Rick, I love these "best of videos" but something just crossed my mind. Although I think this exercise is great, if the Vice irons aren't your current clubs, is the test really judging the clubs on the important metrics you personally use to put a club(s) in your bag?
I'm not a 'hater' (not even a disliker 😁), but I agree with some of the comments about criteria. Firstly, getting points for distance when the lofts are not the same, is irrelevant and biases what really isn't a 'low handicapper' club. Secondly, since aesthetics is so subjective, it really shouldn't be included. I bet if we (all commenters) ranked them, and tallied the totals, they'd all end up with virtually the same score. Thirdly, front-to-back dispersion is more important to low handicap golfers than left-to-right, so distance dispersion would be a better measure of 'accuracy'. Finally, it should have been a 'points out of 10' scale. If the Wislons felt so much better than the others, and the Takomo were so much cheaper, they should get proportionally more points. Then take away 7.5 yards from the Vice distance for the jacked lofts, and ... we have a new winner. My money is on the Wilsons, (well it's invested in them actually) but hey, I'm not biased 😉
Wat in the absolute TRASH is this skewed rating system you're using? This makes literally 0 sense. You must've filmed this and the driver rankings during the same time and refused to not upload this after the terrible responses you received.
Hey Rick! I really enjoy this lineup of videos! My only request is if there was a chance you could add spin right along with the carry distance. The vice may go the farthest, but how much spin does it generate compared to the 34 degree irons
Love the idea buT if it’s subjective then you have to be more proportional. Clubs losing 1 pt based on negligible 1 yard less carry 4:04 - yet ping getting 2pt for £50 a club more expensive than Wilson onwards which is £350 over 4-PW is just unrealistic 6:49
Rick I’ve not seen you do anything on the Mizuno Pro 245’s. These clubs are probably one of the nicest looking and best performing irons. I actually think you would really like them. Blade like appearance but they have very good forgiveness. Feel class too as you would expect. Need to get a review on them pal 👌
Great review. Anytime a youtuber reviews a Takomo product its important to take it with a grain of salt. Takomo has used RUclips sponsorship instead of traditional advertising routes to promote there brand. Totally fine but when you realised Takomo has paid out over 1 million us dollars to youtube golfers since 2020 so theres a reason why everyone with a chanel strokes Takomo off like this
Holy crap! Of course, that is correct! I completely overlooked that, and I knew that to be true. Thank you for writing that down and pointing it out.🙏👍👌
1st of all, Titleist sponsor by far the most players on tour. 2nd of all, this is a classic example of just because it's best for a tour player, doesn't mean it's the best for the general public. He's correct that the T100s feel the worst out of this test. They still feel decent, but in my own testing they are towards the bottom when it comes to feel.
Man, whatever. I don't agree with him at all. And no way Vice is better than the T100, which I also don't play. Doesn't take a club fitter to know this. But go on with what you think is best. Not trying to argue.
As always, love your content. Suggestion, would love to see maybe two additions. 1) partner up with a average everyday mid to high handicap golfer to see how they can hit the clubs so we can see how it relates to most of us. 2) when performance testing, find a way to do blind comparisons. Maybe have someone sport wrap the grips, and tape the back side. That's way you have no idea who made what.
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I think you should use the vice for 3 rounds then use the winners of the mid and high handicap irons both for 3 rounds at same club and tally the results. Lengthy test but would love to see results
Shouldn’t you theoretically hit the same lofts to determine if they have different yardages? (Different tech usually brings different yards despite same loft). Like you could hit a 7 on the standard lofts but if the other ones are stronger sets maybe hit an 8 if it’s the same or a more similar loft? That way anything yardage based is all tech disparities and not loft disparities?
Did a full iron fitting at a local Club Champion. Not once was any Vice iron model handed to me. I asked out of curiosity and the fitter said they very seldom do they see improvements compared to other OEMs. Hard for me to believe a company’s first club iteration is “best of the year”
@@boboman-98 Vice is mainly direct to consumer, like Takomo. You likely won’t find a fitter with either of these to try or fit. Just need to know what to order.
@ Club Champion has both Vice iron models which you can be fitted for and hit. I tried them both and was uninspired, as well as my fitter was candid with me in that most folks leave unimpressed by them. Takomo has a better track record where I would trust them over Vice, both from a performance and value standpoint.
I know you have alot of irons, can I get a set you don't really want like a Wilson set or really anything else. I have a tommy armour set from 2020 and I hit a set of rbz irons and they were more powerful. I would like a new set of irons if you wouldn't mind sending me something for a 10 handicap
Not changing my i210s, but if they were stolen and i had to get new irons some of these would definitely be on my list. Vice at 31 degrees for a 7i is not what I want. Takomo reminds me of a Mizuno MP18SC, that is a good thing. But lack of shaft options rules them out. Of the remaining 4 irons I would test the Wilson first - I love the look, if the feel is as good as Rick suggests then a probable winner for me, but I would also have to test the Blueprint S even though the size of the 5i is a bit scary
I feel like instead of distance it should be distance consistency. For low handicappers they need consistent distance. They don’t want a club prone to huge variation in distance
My only complaint about these rankings videos is that each category is equally weighted. Looks and price, while not completely unimportant, shouldn't have the same weight as, say, accuracy and feel. If you were to weight these, it would be interesting to see how your rankings might change in each video.
I would argue that price for most golfers is very important. Especially now that DTC brands are tilting the field with their very good quality products.
If you assigned half points for looks, I think you should have assigned double points for price. Price is a big motivator, especially if performance is pretty equal.
tough to do a winner in this section without Mizuno given that they feel great same for Srixon Thing is as well in future the Ping will still hold a decent resale value but cost most so bit of a trade off
Had you used a higher point scale or used tenths on your 5 point scale, you could’ve accounted for how much better feel the Staff model is or even the insane price point of Takomo’s.
I have to say I disagree on looks (but then if you ask 6 people you'll likely get 6 different answers). I can't see how accuracy is a valid test as it depends on your performance. I also wouldn't buy irons with regard to the length of their carry, I'd be rather looking at gap fitting. However, I do love watching your videos as they are both entertaining and instructive so keep up the good work.
Srixon ZX7 MKII, Callaway Apex CB, Cobra King Tour CB, Mizuno 243, Takomo 301 CB, all of these are missing which is a crime, doesn’t matter you haven’t tested them, that’s like saying the best selling car in the world is the Vauxhall Astra because you don’t get the F-150 in the UK. Besides, I’m pretty confident seeing your last “Look at all these clubs I received but never took out of the box” video that some or all of these clubs are in a box at the studio. Also, distance should have been replaced with Consistency and Workability should have been added as a criteria.
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I respect your test. You left out srixon and mizuno. Two of the best brands for this category.
I agree, Criminal behaviour Srixon and Mizuno are mega
And callaway
Agreed, got fitted for the 243’s that sit in this category
Also agree, I was fit recently and the Srixon and Mizuno were worlds ahead of anything else (granted Vice and Takomo weren’t available to test)
The two best brands in any iron category
Price em low and loft em strong and you'll win Rick's best iron.
@@jetro7349 And make them as plain (“clean”) as possible. As long as it looks exactly like a P790, it’ll win the looks category.
Yeah, I can see price being a factor at the high handicap range. But when you get to this range, you’d think players are looking for the best equipment.
His entire criteria is flawed imo. Askgolfnut seems to be the only guy who gets it from what I’ve seen.
@@AlabamaGolferAgreed. @askgolfnut has the best reviews on RUclips at the moment. Especially the way he cisualizes forgiveness and accounts for different swing speeds.
@@doggoronnie3387 Ian has already moved on. But since these are last year's clubs, all the videos are still there for viewing.
@@rufussthoo4083 good point, now we just have to figure out what we're going to do next year 🥲
Are u ok Rick?? ... NOBODY gives points for distance with difference in loft.... GET CLUBS TO MATCH the loft ... amazing fail from someone supposed to "professional" in this stuff.... loooooooved ur test stuff "back in the days"... now this is just crap for people with no golf brain at all.... total shame!
Yeah you missed the point big time. Every 20-30 handicapper doesn’t give a crap that it’s 3 degrees more loft it goes farther. It’s like you want him to take the irons made for the worst and treat them like a scratch golfers trying to pick the best.
Distance is the most stupid thing ever to have on there.
Honestly, if it matters that much just bend it.
Exactly, why are you giving something 6 points just bc it had the strongest 7 iron loft from the bunch.. either distance should have been extremely limited on points or it shouldn't be a category at all smh
Yeah, only matters is if it were a front to back differential
@@Clint328 agreed, that would have been something way more interesting to see and a valid input into grading better players irons
I do have to agree here. For players irons, maybe carry distance dispersion would have been better, or some sort of accuracy measure, like strokes gained or the overall dispersion ovals? Which I guess he included, but I think he should have weighted it better.
You must compensate for different lofts. A little math can do this but it's totally unfair to award the same points for distance when there are different lofts. You can calculate what the others brands WOULD be if they were all the same loft. Or you can divide average distance and loft and get yard per degree or something like that. Or better, learn how to adjust lofts and bend them all to the same loft, overriding the manufacturer's gamesmanship.
I agree, however, players using these dont care if they go far. They just care if they go the right distance for their gapping. The category should be distance consistancy.
Rick is not smart enough to do this
To expand on your point he doesn’t even correlate that the loft and distance are directly proportional. 4, 5, 6 = 34 1 = 31. Respect to Rick for ranking Wilson high but I don’t listen to Rick for technical knowledge.
It's about dynamic loft. People deliver the club head differently. Static loft is just a fitting parameter.
Also if you pay attention to these review videos he is promoting brands like takomo and vice. Seems like the influencers are getting paid by promoting these recently. Just test for yourself. I know these are cheaper brands, but just go test yourself
Really not to be a hater here, but the fact there was no Srixon ZX7, Mizuno 243, Callaway Apex CB, or Cobra King Tour just makes this an absolute joke. This video is missing some of the best performance in this category. Rick makes good content, but when it comes to reviewing clubs it’s just not it. I know it was said but looks sound and feel are all subjective. WE WANT TO SEE DATA. Which spins the most/least, which launches the lowest/highest, which creates the most ball speed with the same loft, and most importantly which is the most a consistent in doing those things. GO GET FIT, leave biases to the side, go with performance and what checks your boxes of feel of the best performers.
I'm a 4.4 handicap golfer and currently swing the Takomo 301 CB's. I just love them. I got them with .5" shorter shafts and 1 degree flat and midsize grips. They're perfect. They just feel so right for me. This test was very fair and subjective. I wish you would include spin rates with those distance numbers.. along with descent angle.
Subjective doesn’t make it a fair test. Subjective is opinion based. Objective is based on facts.
@@adamprice9231 yea whatever
I’m glad you added the length and lie of your irons. I was very curious
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@@adamprice9231 Yep, I think the commenter got it mixed up and said subjective instead of objective. That's the trouble with a lot of youtube comments. People use words they don't understand or sound like the word they think they should use.
Ricks club reviews are an absolute joke. Clueless.
More points for less loft. God damn clown at this point.
thanks for the effort Rick but I must say i didn't agree with any of your opinions but I still enjoy watching your reviews, keep 'em coming!
I think hardly any serious golfers would agree with this review....4 major brands are not even being reviewed.....how many are going to seriously by Vice or Takomo
@@johnmurray5840 well, I’ll defend Takomo here, but I don’t disagree with what you’re saying at all.
@@bradfortner8921 the Vice, Takomo etc might be as good and even better when golfers would use these clubs but my point is majority would not even look at these brands in the first place…mainly on line or in a golf pro shop etc…Vice or Takomo wouldn’t even be on sale
Lots of people are buying Takomo. That said, he should just have increased the number he tested. Pretty disappointing @@johnmurray5840
No Mizuno or Srixon or Callaway?
I Know It's Absolutely Ridiculous. I Agree. And The Categories in Which He Mark's The GOLF CLUB'S ON, Are Prehistoric & Out-dated.
I hit all these and the Mizunos blew them away for me. Especially mishits. Misses still went almost as far and straight as good hits for me with them.
Unfortunately, Srixon releases their irons every 2 years, so the ZX7 MK2's came out in January 2023 which is probably why they weren't in this video. Which sucks because they're so cheap now and if they were in this test they would have gotten top points for price and feel, and probably would have finished top 2.
As a low handicap, I use the mizuno irons. They are super forgiving, and when you hit the sweet spot, they feel so good
Or cobras !! Mental
"6 of the most popular sets of irons" when does that review come out?, because this is not it, how can you leave out Callaway, Srixon and Mizuno?. Again I love your stuff Rick, but serious just adjust your title/intro to be a bit more factual and you wouldn't get such negative feedback about your reviews, Maybe "Rick's favourite low HCP irons".
And a "Carry distance category" what are you doing? Perhaps a front to back accuracy test, this is one of the most important aspects of these types of irons.
I know you don't like how expensive golf clubs are getting, are these reviews designed to promote the new cheaper clubs on the market as a bit of a protest?
I really don't think good players are judging irons based on distance. Dispersion, both lateral and back to front, is much more important.
Take away looks - Here are the rankings:
Vice VGi01 - 21
Wilson Staff CB - 17
Takomo 301CB - 16
Ping Blueprint S - 15
TaylorMade P7CB - 14
Titleist T100 - 12
Ignoring price as well - Here are the rankings
Vice VGi01 - 16
Ping Blueprint S & Wilson Staff CB - 13
TaylorMade P7CB - 11
Takomo 301CB - 10
Titleist T100 - 8
Would have liked to see a different approach to distance rating (especially in players irons). I don’t care how far they carry…I do care that it’s a consistent carry and how much spin is generated for stopping/roll.
Great review. Distance dispersion might be a better way to judge the irons?
Exactly. My fitting the longest and straightest irons I hit had a massive front to back dispersion. Knowing how far you hit it consistently is better than knowing I can hit a 180 7 iron once a month. Hardly surprising that this was overlooked here though
can you do another test with some of the other brands? callaway, mizuno, srixon, miura!
I have a set of the VGI01s, love them, they feel great, the flight is amazing, my mishits still fly pretty good. Not surprised.
Hard to believe the T100’s came in last place. My 2021 T100S are similar in design with 2 degrees stronger lofts and they feel and look amazing. Performance is awesome too with Fully forged heads with a 70-90 grams of tungsten in the heel and toe for forgiveness. No need to change them until the grooves are worn down
Play the T100s as well with 6.5 rifles. Best irons I’ve ever played. That’s why it’s best to always get fitted and take these videos with a grain of salt on a Sunday.
@ I was custom fit too, have True Temper RED AMT steel shafts in regular flex.
I have the 2019 T-100S set. They look, feel, and play AMAZING. I knew right away they were the irons for me & I’ll almost def be replacing them w/the same (but most recent) model whenever I’m ready for new irons. The T-150 set really interests me too.
@ my custom fit 2021 T100S irons are 6 iron to 48 degree wedge. This past spring I wanted a 5 iron, no used ones around and Titleist had stopped making them. I custom ordered a T150 5 iron to my specs and it’s amazing. 10 years ago I would’ve sold or traded in my T 100 S irons moved into the T150 but not today. Keeping them them until the grooves wear out.
Nobody cares
Carry distance makes no sense to me? Wouldn't it be what club hits the distance number the most consistently? Length is relevant if not consistent? Or am I wrong here
Had an iron fitting this year after having my fitted Mizuno MX1000's for 15 years and was a choice between the Wilson CB's and Titleist T150's. Both great sets but the Wilson's grouping was so much closer. Had the clubs now for 4 months and they are amazing
I think rather than distance (which is immaterial for a low handicapper), you could have done %-distance dispersion. Maybe Vice would have still won, but it would have felt both more relevant as well as more fair given the various lofts.
I got myself some taylormade p7mc's around August last year, I probably shouldn't of being new to golf (april 2024) but I my thinking was invest in irons that are on paper above my skill level to force myself to get better and it has.
Started off in April shooting around 105 per round to now shooting around 90. Personal best to date is 87 😊
Thank You very much for this Review. I love my Vice irons! Long and straight & german Engineering!
Yeah, this test was worthless. Appreciate you taking the time to do it but not my cup of tee.
When you get into lower handicap range you need workability and several other factors.
Love these videos, but you can't do this test without: Callaway APEX CB, Cobra King CB, Srixon ZX7 MKII, Mizuno Pro 243. All of these sets will outsell both the Vice and Takomo, even though they may perform decently. I see why you left the lofts at stock, but at the same loft there wouldn't be much, or almost at all, of a difference in distance. Then you'd see which clubs give the most speed.
Yeah, why didn’t he test absolutely every club on the market
Cobra CB is way overlooked
Should have included some Mizuno and Srixon irons in the mix mate.
ZX7 was top 3 iron of the past few years according to the trophy shelf. A true classic.
I am on 2 seasons and my second set of wilson staff model cb's and I love the feel. That's the only reason I bought them after coming off a Mizuno set I couldn't relinquish for 20 years. Mizuno should be included in this test. Otherwise, it just isn't fair. Afterall, Mizuno is the leader in forged club feel. But Wilson is cheaper and just as good. Gonna purchase a set of Takomo's as well this spring and see where they take me. Thanks Rick. Keep up the good work.
A low handicap iron test without a Mizuno club is downright laughable, not to mention giving a club first place points for distance when it’s 3° stronger than the others 🤦♂️
Are you thinking about doing this for hybrids? I’m considering upgrading my hybrid this year, and I’m curious how you would rate hybrids. Thanks. I really enjoy your videos.
Put the Vice irons in the bag
I’m currently an 11 GHIN. When I first got my T-100S set in 2020 in was around a 20 GHIN. I actually improved my swing/scores after moving away from “game improvement” irons to the ones rec’ed for much better golfers than I was. The guy who fitted me was actually quite apprehensive, but I knew what I wanted & was confident I could hit them. Which, obviously, I can now. I honestly think the mental side plays a big role too in the club-fitting. If you are confident you can hit a “low handicapper” iron & the feel/look good to you at address, man, go for it.
I absolutely LOVE my T100S set. If price was more of an issue & I were to replace them, I’d prob go w/either the Wilson or Takomo set. The Vice looks ugly to me. Burning reality, when I get my next set in 2-3 years, I’ll prob go the T-150 if they are still selling those.
why have you no Srixon iron reviews at all on this channel?
No kidding, he’s totally ignoring Srixon.
Can I ask you Why Mizuno and Srixon are left out?
MIZUNO 243s?
I hit those Wilson's a couple times in the shop. I found the hardest ball they had there, and they still felt good. Might be something to think about with your feel tests, grab a top flight ball and exaggerated the feel.
LOL can't take this one seriously
Nothing should be taken very seriously if you ask me
Nice to see some dtc clubs getting some love❤
I went thru extensive testing with all the brands u tested, sans Vice and Wilson, but I included Mizuno 245, Callaway apex and Srixon zx7 and zx5. The zx5 had the best feel and distance and accuracy for me.
I think you missed the mark by not including Mizuno.
Distance I think should stay in relation to loft, maybe constant distant in relation to loft, and how far you should hit that loft! Love theses episodes thanks!
I love your content but all of these videos are just too opinion based and not standardised enough. Someone else mentioned lofts, also shaft differences need to be taken into account, and more focused on consistency
I have been playing the Wilson Staff Blades for some time and I agree with the feel of Wilson products, just no comparison to my old Callaway and Titleist clubs I used to play...
Please, you need to teach people that DYNAMIC loft is what is important. The amount of people not understanding this is crazy. Static Loft is just a fitting parameter and you have just the platform to educate the masses.
Does static loft not factor into dynamic loft? I think it might . . .
@GregKuper-c8p Assuming that everyone delivers the same loft relative to static is the issue. I'm saying we need to know both.
If we can see the difference between dynamic and static that Rick delivers vs someone who delivers little to no shaft lean, that gives so much more context.
Aside from fitting, the OEMs also claim that CG locations and face flexing can alter dynamic loft to manage height. Without Dynamic Loft, how do we validate that claim?
Static loft factors into dynamic loft but that effect is specific to someone's swing. It is the most direct path to altering height, but you only know which way to go when you have Dynamic Loft.
Having no Mizuno is straight up robbery, lol. The 243’s fly and are butter smooth.
8:24 - Hey Rick. The Wilson thumbnail is a picture of the Takomo FYI
Srixon zx7 MKii doesn’t make this list?
2 of the 5 categories are subjective and opinionated and another is irrelevant to a better player.
Why does a better player care how far his 7 iron goes. Wether a 9 iron goes 142 or 155 is the difference between carrying a 4th wedge or not.
This obsession with distance being so important is goofy. Sure with a driver it makes sense. But with irons you should be looking at how consistent they are in hitting whatever distance the 7iron goes.
Does it hit 170 yards every time? Or is it 173 sometimes, 167 other times? That’s WAY more important than overall average carry distance.
What about spin rates? Stopping distance after carry? None of the actually important stats for better players have been considered here.
So you left out 3 of the best iron makers in mizuno, srixon and callaway and put in more obscure makes like vice and takomo,very poor reviewer
DTC irons are starting to make a big name for themselves!
I tried the Wilson staff demo club at the range and found the carry distance incredibly consistent with only 3 yards of a difference from front to back and only 5 yards left and right of the mid line, however still not updating my V6 irons (just perfect).
Rick, I love these "best of videos" but something just crossed my mind. Although I think this exercise is great, if the Vice irons aren't your current clubs, is the test really judging the clubs on the important metrics you personally use to put a club(s) in your bag?
A real shame that you didn't include the Srixon zx 7 mk2 irons in this they would have won hands down the most under rated brand in golf
I'm not a 'hater' (not even a disliker 😁), but I agree with some of the comments about criteria. Firstly, getting points for distance when the lofts are not the same, is irrelevant and biases what really isn't a 'low handicapper' club. Secondly, since aesthetics is so subjective, it really shouldn't be included. I bet if we (all commenters) ranked them, and tallied the totals, they'd all end up with virtually the same score. Thirdly, front-to-back dispersion is more important to low handicap golfers than left-to-right, so distance dispersion would be a better measure of 'accuracy'. Finally, it should have been a 'points out of 10' scale. If the Wislons felt so much better than the others, and the Takomo were so much cheaper, they should get proportionally more points. Then take away 7.5 yards from the Vice distance for the jacked lofts, and ... we have a new winner. My money is on the Wilsons, (well it's invested in them actually) but hey, I'm not biased 😉
Wat in the absolute TRASH is this skewed rating system you're using? This makes literally 0 sense. You must've filmed this and the driver rankings during the same time and refused to not upload this after the terrible responses you received.
the wilson staff irons look.and feel.fantastic. only thing that puts me off is the shiny chrome finish on the irons?
Hey Rick! I really enjoy this lineup of videos! My only request is if there was a chance you could add spin right along with the carry distance. The vice may go the farthest, but how much spin does it generate compared to the 34 degree irons
Can you please do a review on foreward irons. Big hype on them down here.
Does the new Wilson staff model feel better than the previous iterations in your opinion? Same?
Love the idea buT if it’s subjective then you have to be more proportional.
Clubs losing 1 pt based on negligible 1 yard less carry 4:04 - yet ping getting 2pt for £50 a club more expensive than Wilson onwards which is £350 over 4-PW is just unrealistic 6:49
Mizuno 243
Rick I’ve not seen you do anything on the Mizuno Pro 245’s. These clubs are probably one of the nicest looking and best performing irons. I actually think you would really like them. Blade like appearance but they have very good forgiveness. Feel class too as you would expect. Need to get a review on them pal 👌
Great review. Anytime a youtuber reviews a Takomo product its important to take it with a grain of salt.
Takomo has used RUclips sponsorship instead of traditional advertising routes to promote there brand. Totally fine but when you realised Takomo has paid out over 1 million us dollars to youtube golfers since 2020 so theres a reason why everyone with a chanel strokes Takomo off like this
Holy crap! Of course, that is correct! I completely overlooked that, and I knew that to be true. Thank you for writing that down and pointing it out.🙏👍👌
So just to put this all in context... the #1 iron played on Tour (the best low handicappers) is last place for Rick...
1st of all, Titleist sponsor by far the most players on tour.
2nd of all, this is a classic example of just because it's best for a tour player, doesn't mean it's the best for the general public.
He's correct that the T100s feel the worst out of this test. They still feel decent, but in my own testing they are towards the bottom when it comes to feel.
And Rick does it for the views. Should we question that as well?
@@kyshapka I don't understand what you are getting at.
I'm a club fitter and I agree with him.
Man, whatever. I don't agree with him at all. And no way Vice is better than the T100, which I also don't play. Doesn't take a club fitter to know this. But go on with what you think is best. Not trying to argue.
I have a set of 301cb/301mb being built right now. Being left handed I wish Vice would make the 01’s in LH. The Vice putters look great too.
As always, love your content. Suggestion, would love to see maybe two additions. 1) partner up with a average everyday mid to high handicap golfer to see how they can hit the clubs so we can see how it relates to most of us. 2) when performance testing, find a way to do blind comparisons. Maybe have someone sport wrap the grips, and tape the back side. That's way you have no idea who made what.
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Watching this like it applies to me
You need to do a direct to consumer test, Caley-Vice-Takomo-kirkland
No mizuno 243s is a miss in my opinion but great video Rick!
@@BenjaminKnipe agreed.
you left out PXG, Mizuno and Srixon to put in Vice and takomo? the disrespect
I definitely think Takomo have earned the right to be in this list
@@lucasgrant-maw5619 you are right sir.
Yo slick rick, were the srixons at? Thanks for the vid though 👍
I guess because it was a 2023 iron you wouldn’t include Srixon, but the ZX7 MK2s are the best irons on the market. Hands down.
I think you should use the vice for 3 rounds then use the winners of the mid and high handicap irons both for 3 rounds at same club and tally the results. Lengthy test but would love to see results
Shouldn’t you theoretically hit the same lofts to determine if they have different yardages? (Different tech usually brings different yards despite same loft). Like you could hit a 7 on the standard lofts but if the other ones are stronger sets maybe hit an 8 if it’s the same or a more similar loft? That way anything yardage based is all tech disparities and not loft disparities?
Did a full iron fitting at a local Club Champion. Not once was any Vice iron model handed to me. I asked out of curiosity and the fitter said they very seldom do they see improvements compared to other OEMs. Hard for me to believe a company’s first club iteration is “best of the year”
@@boboman-98 Vice is mainly direct to consumer, like Takomo. You likely won’t find a fitter with either of these to try or fit. Just need to know what to order.
@ Club Champion has both Vice iron models which you can be fitted for and hit. I tried them both and was uninspired, as well as my fitter was candid with me in that most folks leave unimpressed by them. Takomo has a better track record where I would trust them over Vice, both from a performance and value standpoint.
Well done rick 👏 😊
I know you have alot of irons, can I get a set you don't really want like a Wilson set or really anything else. I have a tommy armour set from 2020 and I hit a set of rbz irons and they were more powerful. I would like a new set of irons if you wouldn't mind sending me something for a 10 handicap
Not changing my i210s, but if they were stolen and i had to get new irons some of these would definitely be on my list.
Vice at 31 degrees for a 7i is not what I want.
Takomo reminds me of a Mizuno MP18SC, that is a good thing. But lack of shaft options rules them out.
Of the remaining 4 irons I would test the Wilson first - I love the look, if the feel is as good as Rick suggests then a probable winner for me, but I would also have to test the Blueprint S even though the size of the 5i is a bit scary
Didn’t Rick play the t100 last year and is now playing the tm p7cb. Last and 4th place 🤷♂️
Think you missed out with not having Mizuno 243's in this category. Don't think you have ever reviewed them? Fantastic Irons!
I feel like instead of distance it should be distance consistency. For low handicappers they need consistent distance. They don’t want a club prone to huge variation in distance
Can we get dispersion for tie breakers?
I wish you would do reviews on the sub 70 brand, especially the tc model compared to these
How is Vice not the worst looking?!? Horrible
My only complaint about these rankings videos is that each category is equally weighted. Looks and price, while not completely unimportant, shouldn't have the same weight as, say, accuracy and feel. If you were to weight these, it would be interesting to see how your rankings might change in each video.
I would argue that price for most golfers is very important. Especially now that DTC brands are tilting the field with their very good quality products.
Looks did receive a lesser weighting.
The Vice are just cheap enough and lofted just strong enough to win this.
😂
If you assigned half points for looks, I think you should have assigned double points for price. Price is a big motivator, especially if performance is pretty equal.
8:28 the profile picture is Takomo 301CBs for the Wilson Staff Model. Might want to fix that....
tough to do a winner in this section without Mizuno given that they feel great same for Srixon
Thing is as well in future the Ping will still hold a decent resale value but cost most so bit of a trade off
I mizuno pro 243 is insanse
I'm amazed the kirklands are in this
Yet again Rick picking trash over mizuno
What do you think about the ping iBlades Rick?
Are all the irons the same shaft? otherwise i feel that the accuracy test seems off.
And feel surely
The same shaft for all clubs would surely not be right. It may marry to some but hinder the performance of others.
Had you used a higher point scale or used tenths on your 5 point scale, you could’ve accounted for how much better feel the Staff model is or even the insane price point of Takomo’s.
Vice clubs look so damn good
I have to say I disagree on looks (but then if you ask 6 people you'll likely get 6 different answers). I can't see how accuracy is a valid test as it depends on your performance. I also wouldn't buy irons with regard to the length of their carry, I'd be rather looking at gap fitting. However, I do love watching your videos as they are both entertaining and instructive so keep up the good work.
Srixon ZX7 MKII, Callaway Apex CB, Cobra King Tour CB, Mizuno 243, Takomo 301 CB, all of these are missing which is a crime, doesn’t matter you haven’t tested them, that’s like saying the best selling car in the world is the Vauxhall Astra because you don’t get the F-150 in the UK. Besides, I’m pretty confident seeing your last “Look at all these clubs I received but never took out of the box” video that some or all of these clubs are in a box at the studio.
Also, distance should have been replaced with Consistency and Workability should have been added as a criteria.
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