I think I forgot to explain what is pronation/supination means and why is important to have a resistance in this movements! Pronation-supination, the rotation of the forearm around its longitudinal axis, is an important motion because it allows the hand to be oriented, allowing one to take food and carry it to the mouth, perform personal hygiene, and live autonomously.
Maybe reach out to a professional rock climber? Because there might be gear better suited to safely performing your idea while having a quicker time to complete that leg of the course that you are thinking of implementing.
Indeed, too long, but also too dangerous, if we take the point of view of a producer or of a gym manager: the screw itself is pointy, you can't risk someone stabbing themselves in the eye or in the hand, nor could you risk a disease due to rust+pointy. May I suggest: a socket and a plain bolt, for metal, not for wood. If you like the idea that you have to use rotation AND push, then indeed... you're screwed. :D
Anton must've misheard when they asked for a ninja obstacle and thought they were asking for some kind of a medieval torture device HAHA. Interesting videos as always Anton!
Anton has finally reached that level of expertise when one starts to move into the mad science territory. Next step is an entirely new show comprised of his bold ideas
Such a cool idea ^^ I love the idea to force a move like the figure 4, but as others have pointed out, it would need to be faster and safer. Having some kind of key to insert in a hole that has to be turned seems maybe doable.
If the resistance was above the key and there was a hook below that would work really well. Would probably be more fun to have them twist something and have the next hold be revealed.
I am seriously impressed here. That twisting motion DESTROYS your forearms, especially because you're using tapered screws on an undersized wooden hole. Ive been in construction for 20 years and do a surprisingly similar amount of motions as you all day. I'm also a climber, summited Devils Tower last year, and also boulder at a 6A level.. Im "bragging" so much because you're always humbling. I don't think i'd have made it past the 2nd hook. I want to build this, looks like it would kick my ass. I may suggest though, just for the sake of re-usability.. Embed some threaded sleeves into the wood and swap from the screw-in style eyehook to something threaded to accept a nut. it would make the challenge easier IMO, but theres no way to have repeatability of the difficulty unless you drill brand new holes every time. This isnt something you'd train on all the time though, so maybe just getting a new beam every year or so would probably be the best option. Take it easy, love your stuff man.
@@AntonFomenko if you put a spring in the nut pressing down on the bolt as you screwed it in (possibly behind a small circular plate to protect the spring) it would provide resistance
Suggestion: drill a hole from the side of the beam so that you can put a nut inside the wood. This way instead of screwing on wood, you can screw to the nut, having way less risk of ripping the screw out with weight, and probably could use shorter screws with less rotation needed (i.e. faster). Metal on metal can probably hold much easier and be more secure. Also if it was meant as part of something, maybe just 2 screw-in holds instead of 4 to make it even faster or having 2 then some regular holds to catch your breath and 2 more.
@@AntonFomenko What about using nyloc nuts? They'd provide resistance and be cheap to replace when worn out. You could even add multiple for increased resistance.
@@R1NR4N I agree with that. And probably going with a larger diameter because trying to force a nylok on with your fingers on a small diameter is really fricken hard. Maybe make the size 1-1/2" - 2" WAF, jam nylock nut. Thinner nut means they can't rely on 2 threads to hold them up before they dig into the nylon resistance. Force them to screw it on and use the actual nut itself as the hold. Would speed the section up and would also eliminate the tighter/looser easier/harder for the next person dillema.
WOW you were definitely 100% correct on basically everything. By itself this seems like a very difficult and very fun challenge, I could also see this being good for training to climb ceilings, in rock climbing. But I wouldn't see it working well in a course, as it takes too long and is way too difficult. Super cool idea and video!
@@AntonFomenko Love your content man keep up the awesome work and if you ever want to do some outdoor rock climbing in colorado let me know i know of some amazing locations!
Yeah fantastic for a strength test but it would be boring for a TV show. Everything on those are usually pretty quick dynamic movements. Greats stuff though, that is very impressive
Maybe one option you could try to look into is instead of moving/creating each hold as you go across, perhaps you could start with each hold covered by some mechanism, and the contestants have to remove each cover before being able to progress. This way you could even customize each step a bit with a unique challenge to get rid of the cover, instead of the same sequence over and over (maybe increasing the entertainment aspect). For example, first hold maybe you have to rotate something out of the way, second hold maybe you need to unhook something, third hold maybe you need to aim and hit something, and so on. But I really like the idea of being 'stuck' hanging on the obstacle until you're able to accomplish a task to move onto the next hold.
I can see why they don't like this idea haha! Climbing with a big spike in your hands and falling doesn't sound great. Maybe some thing with a key that is a T bar and lock type design so you can use some thing not sharpe to insert ?
Нет, Антон, это не было скучно смотреть. Я буквально ловила себя на том, что задерживаю дыхание и напрягаю мышцы😂 я думаю от этого испытания отказались, ибо оно - как финальный босс божественного уровня💪🏼
You also unscrewed the one eye hook half a rotation when you spun yourself around. If you combined that last anchor with that motion, you would have dropped. The pump was clear in your forearms on the second grip, so much respect for toughing it out!
What if, going a bit more fancy, you have a more technical mechanism. E.g. the holds are already there, but you have to turn something like a key or a knob to unlock it/make the hold appear. The resistance can be adjusted to make it harder or easier to turn like that rolling beam you have to run across. When you're done, just push the hold back in and next person go.
Another way you could do this is if you use a metal beam with a slit for a key. On top of the beam you would have a cylindrical hole with a sloped spiral at the bottom. This way you would insert the key, and then when you turn it, it will rise on the spiral. The spiral could be 180 degrees then have a drop to catch the key in so it doesn't slide back down. To Increase difficulty you can put a weight in the hole so the key would have to push up the weight as it travels the spiral. From the user's perspective, it would be: insert the key until it hits an obstruction ( the weight), turn the key clockwise (and the key will rise as it follows the slope) until the key drops into the slot. Then when you need the key for the next hold you would lift and turn and it will follow the slope out. If you want to have the full expanse you can have the slope mirrored such that when the key reached the peak of the slope it falls down the mirrored slope and lands practically back at the beginning with a wall separating them. In this fashion the initial turning of the key would be the same except instead of falling into a slot it will fall down the mirrored slope. Then to get the key back you must first turn it in the opposite direction. You can switch out the weight with a wooden dowel with a rubber band holding it down so that the resistance will increase as the key rises. Edit for clarity: the slope would take up part of the hole, the rest is the hold the weight or dowel. The head of the key (the part that rides up the slope) would be as tall as the hight between the bottem and top of the slope. The weight rests on the top of the slope.
Suggestion: use the trad protection gear like cams instead of the eye screw may ease the obstacle a bit and safer. Anyway very creative to integrate figure 4 body position in your move😊
What you really need to make it work is fit the screwloops into a bearing (so free spinning) screwthread, to make it work quicker and also prevent the obstacle from breaking (drilled out holes tend to lose their thread after a couple of in and out screwing). This way you actually have to use strength (push it upwards into the hole to prevent the bearing from spinning) to screw the holds in and can train pronation/supination in a way more isolated way. I think this is an elite obstacle, but definetly a challenge for pros.
Damn, that looked so hard! It was actually fascinating to watch cause I was rooting for you not to peel out and fall lol. The challenge reminded me of assembling my Ikea furniture.
Woah, that a really creative obstacle Anton! I think it would be much more attaiable for competition if you swapped the screw and hold for a single element, like a classic corkscrew with a reenforced handle as a grip. That would make the obstacle less impossible for people other than masochists like yourself haha. Keep up the awesome work!
I feel what would make this challenge viable as far as time constraint and making it reusable would be having pre made grooved sockets bolted into the wood the only took like 4-5 twists to screw the hook into.
Love the Idea!!! It's great to see a wide variety of expertise in skills (aka like a ice climber figure-4 to actually complete it). Instead of wood, just have pilot hole metal grooves. You're always a blast to watch!!
you should look at " 1/2″ Removable Anchor - CLIMBTECH " you could use that instead of screws you still have to put it into the holes and remove it but its quick action , you just pull the plunger to realise the bolt and move it to the next hole and they have a few diffrent sizes for the holes
I was going to say if there are threaded anchors and use bolts instead of the eye hook screws it would be safer/easier. I have not watched the whole video yet to see if he gets there. Your idea is even better.
@@AntonFomenko what about a screw on door knob can bolt the shafts into the wood then you have to screw the round door handle on and off to move along the plank lot safer falling with a round door handle than a spiked loop lol
Man, this is so cool! It takes a lot of time but honestly, if I see someone hanging on one hand and screwing some stuff on a beam for 5 min., like his life depends on that, I would die laughing and at the same time will be so impressed. Ninja Worrior MUST accept this as an course obstacle! Good job!
Instead of a screw, perhaps make it like a skeleton key where you push it in and turn it to lock it into place. Think like a slide lock for a gate or something similar. It wouldn't be quite so taxing.
I thought it was great, and with a bit of tweaking, could be ready for prime time. Maybe make handled, and larger lag screws that would be easier on the skin, but harder to turn, maybe work on the spacing so a person might choose to skip some holes, but at the cost of having to screw them in more securely. Would be more exciting when it's a race, too. Although, I was still cheering for you to complete it solo - was worried about that last screw.
I’ve been thinking about getting into powerlifting, but I change my mind, this is way more impressive, plus I’ve been climbing and doing pull ups forever so I’m up for it
Wouldn't threading into wood would make the holes wear out and make eye hooks fall out for contestants that attempt the obstacle later in the event? Also the screw ends of the eye hooks probably would be a danger to the athletes.
I like the idea, perhaps it can be done safely and consistently but since it takes so long you'd need to decrease it to maybe 2 of these. It could be at the end of a climbing segment that's already endurance based. If reach is an issue you could make it a decline so the next hole isn't too high up. Also I'd strategically add many holes so the athlete can choose the best one. What I think is missing from ninja is full body strength. The wall lift is a great example although I think they're always too light. Also what about a see-saw obstacle where you load heavy things (like a strongman loading event) on one side to force the other one high and you run up and jump off to reach the next platform. Light guys would need less weight but have the disadvantage of being weaker.
You'd need to use the kind of bolt fittings used on a climbing wall to help make the holes safer and more uniform between those trying out the challenge.
If you had a larger diameter coarser thread eye bolt going into an insert in the wood it would be fewer turns and more sturdy i think this could be really cool!!
Super great video! Using metal for the beam and wide tolerance bolts could potentially solve both problems. The beam wouldn't wear out throughout a comp, and the wider tolerance would make screwing in faster to speed up the obstacle.
When moving from prototype to final obstacle, to make it safer and a little easier, you could replace the eye screws with set cranks that extend the hand holds from the support structure. This would give you consistent resistance per competitor and if you make the cranks variable tension, allows for different levels of competition while also getting rid of the possibility of getting a finger caught. Just need to make the crank handle short enough so it couldn't be used to support weight.
I like it, but as you pointed out the wood is not ideal. Many great suggestions already posted, but I would make the eye bolt, and the board, out of a hard polymer that is strong and fairly easy to screw. However you could make it so tightening the screw is also compressing a spring such that the resistance increases, and add a rule you must insert the eye bolt all the way. In this manner it would be the same for every run. You could even have an adjustment for the spring tension to control difficulty. Interesting video!
I think this is a really cool obstacle, even though it seems super difficult. The fact that you need to go into the 4 position instead of just powering through it with raw strength is really cool in my opinion. A good way to reduce the difficulty of it would be to create custom T shaped anchors that ca just fit inside the beam and rotated 90 degrees to lock themselves in (Kind of like a key.) That way, instead of hanging in the air for 30 seconds while you painfully screw in the anchor, it will be just a matter of stabilizing yourself enough to be able to fit the anchor in, twisting it 90 degrees and moving on to the next one. A ball on the end of a rod could also work (with a forward slide to lock it)
I think what would work better and even be more safe is if these were vertical, grippy pipes, and the wood you can screw them into is already cut with screw holes. So it would basically be like a pegboard, but you hold the pegs straight up and down!
this design is very nice for the hardest challenge and you rated it 8stars in difficulty but like u said, the next person to run might ware it down and keeping a fair consistent run with no setbacks are the designs they prob want, wat i would try is a flat 2cm 90 degree hook that faces away from the start point and five hooks in total and the person would either pull/swing to not worry about slipping off or slowly travel between the hooks. for means of travel across would be similar to the set up u got but it will be a rope and ball\cone(its prob a stupid idea but i feel like its still keeps the challenging part while keeping the time and design intact)
I say that's a cool idea, but I do suggest that you make it safer by just having the eyelets screwed and pre hung but the user has to unlock and use the triple lock carabiners for the length of the section.
This is a good starting idea. Instead of a screw on the end of the eyelet if you had a T bar and then had a matching slot in the wood it could work. It's hard without drawing it but the idea is you would put the bar in the slot and turn it 90° to lock it in. This would force the same movement but make it a little quicker and easier.(Also easier to build). Hope this makes sense.
@@AntonFomenko I think to fatigue pronation would take a long time? From what I understand ninja warrior courses have to be quick though so that makes it difficult. If you have a run of many of these it could be quite difficult i imagine, at least that was my thought. Also if you attach the ball to the latching mechanism with a loose strap it prevents people from engaging the lock while holding the ball.
I think a version of this move would be really cool. Maybe something with less threading so it doesn't require as many turns. Either way you inspire me to train creatively and study Russian.
This obstacle takes a TON of time to screw into place, so I think this could definitely work if there was much less screwing! Maybe 1 full rotation, and it has a mechanic that forces the screw to lock in?
To mitigate the risk of puncture injuries if someone falls with such items, and for the longevity of your obstacle through multiple participants. Perhaps having someone drill and tap threaded holes into a metal structure... Allowing you to use bolts without points. I think it is a great prototype and proof of concept.
I think steel tubing with nuts welded on to it instead of wood, would be ideal. No chance of the eye bolt slipping out like in the wood but still utilizing that pronation. Love the idea!
Maybe not good for tv or a course, but damn that was so impressive to watch. I love how you approached with a different idea and solved it. Awesome to see these ideas you come up with! Whether you or others think they are shit or not hahaha. Much love!
I think if the screw was bigger and little more customised (bigger thread, easy to screw in, maybe even a latch system?) This could be a very popular obstacle!! Let me know if I can design you something Anton!
make it have like a lever you have to pull down after screwing it in to lock it in place, like big metal screw, with a rod in the middle that stops it from screwing out of the thread.
I think if you could find a way to have the hand holds be 2 solid puzzle piece like steel objects, and have a cut out that, when properly inserted, will hold body weight without question. Would make it much faster, as can make the key rather simple, but still takes time to figure out how to properly insert, and under load will still be the challenge you are looking for.
If instead of using a wood screw, a tapped beam and a bolt would be a quicker and safer option while retaining the same concept. A grade 8 1/2-13 bolt has a sheer rating of 21000lbs. Easier to replace and the chance of it going out of round is far less under stress. Another option is a key-like insert out of laser cut tube steel like others have similarly suggested.
If you could create this without a Sharp point on the hook screw which makes it Dangerous if you fall on it. But if you can make the obstacle with a pre-drilled Threaded Hole and have the wooden or maybe even 3D-printed Threaded Pegs with Hoops for Ball connection that thread right into the pre-drilled/threaded Holes with a loop on the bottom to hook the balls too, then I bet they would allow that since it would be safer.
Anton, this is bad ass and fun. But it looks like something some bros would do in a garage or something. I just can't see the big flashy national stage event having people twist little screws into wood with their fingers. Maybe some sort of big flash metal screw that has to register a lock somehow. Like big threads but metal into metal. Like that crazy axe looking thing. This looks way more backyard. Also, wasn't clear on what pronation was. Sounds like you've been hanging around Devon. Maybe explain what that is. Super cool. Can't wait to see how far you get on your own challenge in this vid.
I think it becomes more viable if you move away from standard hooks & holes in a wooden beam and towards a specialised type of screw. Instead of hanging in one place and turning the same hook a dozen times for a whole minute I would suggest something where the athlete has to turn only like 3 times (of course the setup needs to be designed such that few turns can safely carry the weight) but ten perform this for a longer stretch, switch sides more often, be more agile, have more movement happen. Maybe have a setup where hooks are already inside of the beam but sticking out too much. They then need to be screwed in until a colored segment vanishes inside of the beam only then can the grip be attached to the screw.
This could be more attractive with a much coarser thread screw, like an injection molded plastic screw with only 3 turns. Sort of like a sand screw/ground screw for tents.
I would have rated that a little higher due to the detail control you need to get the hook into the screw hole. You have to slow down and totally control you swing to get it started. Its a cool individual challenge but I can see why its to detail for the show. Enjoyed the video because I really wanted to see how you were going to beat your own challlenge!
I'd say its a cool idea, for safety I would just upgrade from a wood beam and just drilled holes to Indutrial eyebolts and either Tapped inserts for the wood or straight up tapped holes in the beam. There are (for a extra challange) ones with rotating rings so you have to grip fairly close to the threaded end to screw the bolts in.
Anton your will power and drive to improve is very admirable. I've only seen a handful of people willing to truly get creative with pushing the envelope of what is possible. This is a forearm destroyer. Maybe try creating a version for arm wrestling. I think the pronation and supination would really be good for training it.
Very nice idea! I would only change the screwing thing with something different. Screws are sharp and people may get hurt. Imagine they don't catch it well and get nailed! Instead of screwing, there could be something that you would rotate (maybe a part of an awning hand crank), and while you are rotating it, a wood ball would descend, so you would catch it and continue to the next one.
Obviously the wood could strip which could be dangerous and doesn't offer a fair playing field. Having a point on the metal anchors is also dangerous if you fall with it wrong. The concept is cool though, Anton. I think if it was more like a coursely threaded machine screw it could be a lot safer and wouldn't take so long to complete. Maybe someone could make you some oversized machine screw like eye bolts that have just 4-5 threads that are gapped. Something that would require 3-5 turns to be secure. Not sure if it'd still force the figure 4 move though. Another option would be to maybe use something like a truck hitch receiver but made out of some composite material probably so if you fell with it, a heavy chunk of metal isn't landing on your head. You could probably get it 3d printed easily by someone in the community I'm sure. It's also rounded, so less dangerous, and you could add some threads to it that would require you to screw the ball into some sort of insert nut. Think all these ideas would require some custom machining though, but overall an interesting idea. You'll have to get Mr. Mitdbo back on here to try it out when you complete it!
With screwing into wood there is no consistent resistance and second person doing the challenge essentially has the advantage. Other pointed out that using a bold and a nut could be better, but then there is no resistance. The resistance can be added by adding some weight on the bold. Imagine two wood pieces one on top another and the nut is inside the bottom piece, then the top piece will provide the resistance for for the bolt. And the challenge could be to screw the bold in and create a gap between two pieces so you can fit your fingers in between and then move forward using the gap.
use a c hook with the hoop attached that you have to move and replace infront of you that way is safe, faster, but still challenging. great idea, just a bit over the top. good for training but they would have to swap out the board every run and potential difference in load strength of hoop screw. but 2 c hooks that go around the stable beam would be interesting, simple, fast, but still difficult. maybe make it 3 c hooks and 2 ball grips and make rule that you have to move hook and replace grip before moving on. so c hook, ball grip, then c hook, ball grip, last c hook, and use first ball grip on 3rd c hook, then replace 1st c hook, and put 2nd ball grip on that. or just have 2 c hooks with ball grips but gotta move them forward manually kinda like your doing.
Just some ideas/suggestions for different versions for different situations For speed challenge having the exact amount of holds for crossing so there is no need to unscrew will make it more about doing it right and quickly For endurance challenge having 2 holds you can move then having to navigate a series of platforms makes it more about pacing and planning
I guess the algorithm said I should watch you because of some old video with Jujimufu. Glad I watched most of this video because initially I knew you were not going to be able to do it but I LOVE the solution you came up with. It's boring to watch. hahahahaha
Im not cool in english, so... Думаю можно сделать такую-же штуку, но с большими винтами. Металл даст очень большой ресурс использования перед заменой, не будет давать преимущества тем, кто идет позже, так как отверстие не будет разбито, а так же позволит сделать систему сигнала о достаточном креплении, если поместить во вторую гайку датчики, к которым можно присоединить лампочку или звуковой сигнал, которой возвещал бы о том, что винт безопасно вкручен и закреплен.
Cool idea, but in a time trial people would be incentivized to screw in the minimum possible to take their weight, which increases the risk someone could hurt themselves
If the screws would be replaced with "machine" screws and nuts It would be potentially much safer I believe and a little easier to screw in, still requiring precision but not as much wrist strength
10:45 use a metal bar with a normal bolt with a circle soldered into it instead of this self screwing hook and the wood wear problem would disappear and it would make it easier to screw the bolt in
Maybe if you used a bolt instead of a self tapping screw it would be safer and wouldn't be banned? Like a M12x1.75 thread. Threading and tightening would be equal for everyone and the hole won't wear out so will be equally safe for everyone. Basically a bolt will make it way more consistent over a screw and it's not stabby.
An alternative obstacle for this movement could be a slot in the ceiling with a circular channel inside. You have to place a T handle up into it and rotate it so its tight enough to hold your weight . So then you have to do supination and pronation effort, and its precise, but it can be quick and repeatable. There may be some hardware already like this that you could try it with. A bit like a manhole cover key, but larger, though a manhole key might be a good place to start! It could be key shaped and be called the keys to destiny or something. Potentially then you have different coloured keys for different slots and it becomes a mental game as well as physical as you have to decide which slots to place them into for speed and endurance. Imagine giant keys with awkward handles and the locks are really stiff.
I think I forgot to explain what is pronation/supination means and why is important to have a resistance in this movements!
Pronation-supination, the rotation of the forearm around its longitudinal axis, is an important motion because it allows the hand to be oriented, allowing one to take food and carry it to the mouth, perform personal hygiene, and live autonomously.
Supinate = palm up, pronate = palm down, if standing in a normal bicep curl position.
Maybe reach out to a professional rock climber? Because there might be gear better suited to safely performing your idea while having a quicker time to complete that leg of the course that you are thinking of implementing.
Handyman special.
Indeed, too long, but also too dangerous, if we take the point of view of a producer or of a gym manager: the screw itself is pointy, you can't risk someone stabbing themselves in the eye or in the hand, nor could you risk a disease due to rust+pointy.
May I suggest: a socket and a plain bolt, for metal, not for wood.
If you like the idea that you have to use rotation AND push, then indeed... you're screwed. :D
Anton your idea can work but you need to make it different
Anton must've misheard when they asked for a ninja obstacle and thought they were asking for some kind of a medieval torture device HAHA. Interesting videos as always Anton!
1:17 „so I‘m not taking it personally …yet“ 😂 love your channel, binge watching all you videos! Gold!
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Anton has finally reached that level of expertise when one starts to move into the mad science territory. Next step is an entirely new show comprised of his bold ideas
Such a cool idea ^^
I love the idea to force a move like the figure 4, but as others have pointed out, it would need to be faster and safer. Having some kind of key to insert in a hole that has to be turned seems maybe doable.
If the resistance was above the key and there was a hook below that would work really well. Would probably be more fun to have them twist something and have the next hold be revealed.
@@edwardmitchell6581 oh that's cool
I just posted something similar. Great minds think alike I suppose.
I am seriously impressed here. That twisting motion DESTROYS your forearms, especially because you're using tapered screws on an undersized wooden hole. Ive been in construction for 20 years and do a surprisingly similar amount of motions as you all day. I'm also a climber, summited Devils Tower last year, and also boulder at a 6A level.. Im "bragging" so much because you're always humbling. I don't think i'd have made it past the 2nd hook. I want to build this, looks like it would kick my ass. I may suggest though, just for the sake of re-usability.. Embed some threaded sleeves into the wood and swap from the screw-in style eyehook to something threaded to accept a nut. it would make the challenge easier IMO, but theres no way to have repeatability of the difficulty unless you drill brand new holes every time. This isnt something you'd train on all the time though, so maybe just getting a new beam every year or so would probably be the best option.
Take it easy, love your stuff man.
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@@AntonFomenko if you put a spring in the nut pressing down on the bolt as you screwed it in (possibly behind a small circular plate to protect the spring) it would provide resistance
Suggestion: drill a hole from the side of the beam so that you can put a nut inside the wood. This way instead of screwing on wood, you can screw to the nut, having way less risk of ripping the screw out with weight, and probably could use shorter screws with less rotation needed (i.e. faster). Metal on metal can probably hold much easier and be more secure. Also if it was meant as part of something, maybe just 2 screw-in holds instead of 4 to make it even faster or having 2 then some regular holds to catch your breath and 2 more.
Bolts would also make it safer! No pointy part
Good idea but there is no pronation resistance anymore. Idea is to force resistance in pronation/supination movements. 💪
@@AntonFomenko What about using nyloc nuts? They'd provide resistance and be cheap to replace when worn out. You could even add multiple for increased resistance.
Having to feed the screw into an actual thread creates a whole new level of difficulty as you need to be very controlled to get it in straight
@@R1NR4N I agree with that. And probably going with a larger diameter because trying to force a nylok on with your fingers on a small diameter is really fricken hard. Maybe make the size 1-1/2" - 2" WAF, jam nylock nut. Thinner nut means they can't rely on 2 threads to hold them up before they dig into the nylon resistance. Force them to screw it on and use the actual nut itself as the hold. Would speed the section up and would also eliminate the tighter/looser easier/harder for the next person dillema.
WOW you were definitely 100% correct on basically everything. By itself this seems like a very difficult and very fun challenge, I could also see this being good for training to climb ceilings, in rock climbing. But I wouldn't see it working well in a course, as it takes too long and is way too difficult. Super cool idea and video!
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@@AntonFomenko Love your content man keep up the awesome work and if you ever want to do some outdoor rock climbing in colorado let me know i know of some amazing locations!
Yeah fantastic for a strength test but it would be boring for a TV show. Everything on those are usually pretty quick dynamic movements.
Greats stuff though, that is very impressive
This looked insane! And you did it with an injured shoulder/arm. Mad respect! Maybe even Magnus would struggle with a long enough board xD
Getting better little by little! Thank you!💪🔥
Maybe one option you could try to look into is instead of moving/creating each hold as you go across, perhaps you could start with each hold covered by some mechanism, and the contestants have to remove each cover before being able to progress. This way you could even customize each step a bit with a unique challenge to get rid of the cover, instead of the same sequence over and over (maybe increasing the entertainment aspect).
For example, first hold maybe you have to rotate something out of the way, second hold maybe you need to unhook something, third hold maybe you need to aim and hit something, and so on. But I really like the idea of being 'stuck' hanging on the obstacle until you're able to accomplish a task to move onto the next hold.
I can see why they don't like this idea haha! Climbing with a big spike in your hands and falling doesn't sound great.
Maybe some thing with a key that is a T bar and lock type design so you can use some thing not sharpe to insert ?
Good point!😅
Anton: "Pronation."
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Looks intense ;) and ps. how about some trampoline/tricking content? I enjoyed those videos in gymnastics gyms a lot
Flips are awesome 🤩
"I'm not taking it personaly... yet" :"D
I like the recent videos where you make obstacles, it’s a good change of pace
Нет, Антон, это не было скучно смотреть. Я буквально ловила себя на том, что задерживаю дыхание и напрягаю мышцы😂 я думаю от этого испытания отказались, ибо оно - как финальный босс божественного уровня💪🏼
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You also unscrewed the one eye hook half a rotation when you spun yourself around. If you combined that last anchor with that motion, you would have dropped. The pump was clear in your forearms on the second grip, so much respect for toughing it out!
Bro this is CRAAAZYYY 😂 I love it, never seen you be so dead after doing a move
"If you fail, you will have 100% confirmation that you're idea was shit" - that tickled me so much!
Thank you for watching till the end💪😅
What if, going a bit more fancy, you have a more technical mechanism. E.g. the holds are already there, but you have to turn something like a key or a knob to unlock it/make the hold appear. The resistance can be adjusted to make it harder or easier to turn like that rolling beam you have to run across. When you're done, just push the hold back in and next person go.
Yep! Very fancy tho!💪😎
Impressive as always Anton!! keep doing what you're doing!!
Another way you could do this is if you use a metal beam with a slit for a key. On top of the beam you would have a cylindrical hole with a sloped spiral at the bottom. This way you would insert the key, and then when you turn it, it will rise on the spiral. The spiral could be 180 degrees then have a drop to catch the key in so it doesn't slide back down. To Increase difficulty you can put a weight in the hole so the key would have to push up the weight as it travels the spiral. From the user's perspective, it would be: insert the key until it hits an obstruction ( the weight), turn the key clockwise (and the key will rise as it follows the slope) until the key drops into the slot. Then when you need the key for the next hold you would lift and turn and it will follow the slope out.
If you want to have the full expanse you can have the slope mirrored such that when the key reached the peak of the slope it falls down the mirrored slope and lands practically back at the beginning with a wall separating them. In this fashion the initial turning of the key would be the same except instead of falling into a slot it will fall down the mirrored slope. Then to get the key back you must first turn it in the opposite direction.
You can switch out the weight with a wooden dowel with a rubber band holding it down so that the resistance will increase as the key rises.
Edit for clarity: the slope would take up part of the hole, the rest is the hold the weight or dowel. The head of the key (the part that rides up the slope) would be as tall as the hight between the bottem and top of the slope. The weight rests on the top of the slope.
Anton, you are insane!! I've seen you complete it and yet I still think it's impossible!
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It's shit like this why I love you Anton 🤣 pure manic genius.
I don't know why, but I got excited when you showed the ninja warrior from my country. It's not even that small....
Nice! Did you compete?💪😎
Not boring to watch. I cannot believe you did that, it’s absolutely incredible.
This obstacle could really... screw someone over
Suggestion: use the trad protection gear like cams instead of the eye screw may ease the obstacle a bit and safer. Anyway very creative to integrate figure 4 body position in your move😊
What you really need to make it work is fit the screwloops into a bearing (so free spinning) screwthread, to make it work quicker and also prevent the obstacle from breaking (drilled out holes tend to lose their thread after a couple of in and out screwing). This way you actually have to use strength (push it upwards into the hole to prevent the bearing from spinning) to screw the holds in and can train pronation/supination in a way more isolated way. I think this is an elite obstacle, but definetly a challenge for pros.
Damn, that looked so hard!
It was actually fascinating to watch cause I was rooting for you not to peel out and fall lol.
The challenge reminded me of assembling my Ikea furniture.
Woah, that a really creative obstacle Anton! I think it would be much more attaiable for competition if you swapped the screw and hold for a single element, like a classic corkscrew with a reenforced handle as a grip. That would make the obstacle less impossible for people other than masochists like yourself haha. Keep up the awesome work!
Just insane, well done dude.
I feel what would make this challenge viable as far as time constraint and making it reusable would be having pre made grooved sockets bolted into the wood the only took like 4-5 twists to screw the hook into.
Wow Anton! You were training at 3am? And you probably worked a full day before this, that’s dedication that should be admired.
Thank you! One day we will make it happen💪🔥
@@AntonFomenko yes we will! Been watching for years man, never miss a video, keep grinding 🍻
Love the Idea!!! It's great to see a wide variety of expertise in skills (aka like a ice climber figure-4 to actually complete it). Instead of wood, just have pilot hole metal grooves. You're always a blast to watch!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you 💪
Anton that obstacle is and was truly next level hard. Wow.
It's so hard not to call you names sometimes. Things like madman, maniac, beast...
the suspense was awesome, every second
you should look at " 1/2″ Removable Anchor - CLIMBTECH " you could use that instead of screws you still have to put it into the holes and remove it but its quick action , you just pull the plunger to realise the bolt and move it to the next hole and they have a few diffrent sizes for the holes
I was going to say if there are threaded anchors and use bolts instead of the eye hook screws it would be safer/easier. I have not watched the whole video yet to see if he gets there.
Your idea is even better.
Yeah… my plan was actually trying to apply force to be able to scree the anchor. Harder = better 😂
@@AntonFomenko better is relative I guess. Your way is the better challenge for difficulty, Alix's idea is possibly better for an actual ninja course.
@@AntonFomenko what about a screw on door knob can bolt the shafts into the wood then you have to screw the round door handle on and off to move along the plank lot safer falling with a round door handle than a spiked loop lol
Man, this is so cool! It takes a lot of time but honestly, if I see someone hanging on one hand and screwing some stuff on a beam for 5 min., like his life depends on that, I would die laughing and at the same time will be so impressed. Ninja Worrior MUST accept this as an course obstacle!
Good job!
Thank you!✊😎
Instead of a screw, perhaps make it like a skeleton key where you push it in and turn it to lock it into place. Think like a slide lock for a gate or something similar. It wouldn't be quite so taxing.
Crazy grip strength. Just screwing on those loops will kill. Let alone holding on to dear life and moving to the next one.
Nicely done Anton you rock! This will be a good one for magnus to try XD
I thought it was great, and with a bit of tweaking, could be ready for prime time. Maybe make handled, and larger lag screws that would be easier on the skin, but harder to turn, maybe work on the spacing so a person might choose to skip some holes, but at the cost of having to screw them in more securely. Would be more exciting when it's a race, too. Although, I was still cheering for you to complete it solo - was worried about that last screw.
There has got to be a way to maintain the pronation/supination pump using proper threads, this is a super cool challenge though! Thanks for sharing.
I’ve been thinking about getting into powerlifting, but I change my mind, this is way more impressive, plus I’ve been climbing and doing pull ups forever so I’m up for it
Wouldn't threading into wood would make the holes wear out and make eye hooks fall out for contestants that attempt the obstacle later in the event? Also the screw ends of the eye hooks probably would be a danger to the athletes.
"if u fail you'll have 100% confirmation that ur idea was shit" well thats reassuring 😂
I like the idea, perhaps it can be done safely and consistently but since it takes so long you'd need to decrease it to maybe 2 of these. It could be at the end of a climbing segment that's already endurance based. If reach is an issue you could make it a decline so the next hole isn't too high up. Also I'd strategically add many holes so the athlete can choose the best one.
What I think is missing from ninja is full body strength. The wall lift is a great example although I think they're always too light. Also what about a see-saw obstacle where you load heavy things (like a strongman loading event) on one side to force the other one high and you run up and jump off to reach the next platform. Light guys would need less weight but have the disadvantage of being weaker.
The weights on the see saw would need to be locked in so they don't go flying everywhere. Cool idea!
Thats a good one 🤔
You'd need to use the kind of bolt fittings used on a climbing wall to help make the holes safer and more uniform between those trying out the challenge.
If you had a larger diameter coarser thread eye bolt going into an insert in the wood it would be fewer turns and more sturdy i think this could be really cool!!
Super great video! Using metal for the beam and wide tolerance bolts could potentially solve both problems. The beam wouldn't wear out throughout a comp, and the wider tolerance would make screwing in faster to speed up the obstacle.
When moving from prototype to final obstacle, to make it safer and a little easier, you could replace the eye screws with set cranks that extend the hand holds from the support structure. This would give you consistent resistance per competitor and if you make the cranks variable tension, allows for different levels of competition while also getting rid of the possibility of getting a finger caught. Just need to make the crank handle short enough so it couldn't be used to support weight.
Could be like the hub grip trainers for the twisting part
I like it, but as you pointed out the wood is not ideal. Many great suggestions already posted, but I would make the eye bolt, and the board, out of a hard polymer that is strong and fairly easy to screw. However you could make it so tightening the screw is also compressing a spring such that the resistance increases, and add a rule you must insert the eye bolt all the way. In this manner it would be the same for every run. You could even have an adjustment for the spring tension to control difficulty. Interesting video!
I think this is a really cool obstacle, even though it seems super difficult. The fact that you need to go into the 4 position instead of just powering through it with raw strength is really cool in my opinion.
A good way to reduce the difficulty of it would be to create custom T shaped anchors that ca just fit inside the beam and rotated 90 degrees to lock themselves in (Kind of like a key.) That way, instead of hanging in the air for 30 seconds while you painfully screw in the anchor, it will be just a matter of stabilizing yourself enough to be able to fit the anchor in, twisting it 90 degrees and moving on to the next one.
A ball on the end of a rod could also work (with a forward slide to lock it)
Anton didn’t invent Ninja Warrior obstacle, he invented V9 Construction Worker Fitness Test
Thats a cool phrase 💪😎
Holy shit, that battle axe move @0:40 was awesome 😂
Yep 🪓
I think what would work better and even be more safe is if these were vertical, grippy pipes, and the wood you can screw them into is already cut with screw holes. So it would basically be like a pegboard, but you hold the pegs straight up and down!
this design is very nice for the hardest challenge and you rated it 8stars in difficulty but like u said, the next person to run might ware it down and keeping a fair consistent run with no setbacks are the designs they prob want, wat i would try is a flat 2cm 90 degree hook that faces away from the start point and five hooks in total and the person would either pull/swing to not worry about slipping off or slowly travel between the hooks. for means of travel across would be similar to the set up u got but it will be a rope and ball\cone(its prob a stupid idea but i feel like its still keeps the challenging part while keeping the time and design intact)
I say that's a cool idea, but I do suggest that you make it safer by just having the eyelets screwed and pre hung but the user has to unlock and use the triple lock carabiners for the length of the section.
Bro i was watching it and was like come on come on you got this, loved the tension especially when the music stopped
Thank you 💪🔥
@@AntonFomenko Love how much you improved content wise, and your personality is amazing. Keep it up 💪
That was super fun to watch, when you threw In the ice climbing tech I was like yessssss that’s it Anton yeeees awesome content thank you
Glad you enjoyed!💪😎
This is a good starting idea. Instead of a screw on the end of the eyelet if you had a T bar and then had a matching slot in the wood it could work. It's hard without drawing it but the idea is you would put the bar in the slot and turn it 90° to lock it in. This would force the same movement but make it a little quicker and easier.(Also easier to build). Hope this makes sense.
How does it fatigue your pronation?
@@AntonFomenko I think to fatigue pronation would take a long time? From what I understand ninja warrior courses have to be quick though so that makes it difficult.
If you have a run of many of these it could be quite difficult i imagine, at least that was my thought.
Also if you attach the ball to the latching mechanism with a loose strap it prevents people from engaging the lock while holding the ball.
I think a version of this move would be really cool. Maybe something with less threading so it doesn't require as many turns. Either way you inspire me to train creatively and study Russian.
Спасибо!💪
This obstacle takes a TON of time to screw into place, so I think this could definitely work if there was much less screwing! Maybe 1 full rotation, and it has a mechanic that forces the screw to lock in?
To mitigate the risk of puncture injuries if someone falls with such items, and for the longevity of your obstacle through multiple participants. Perhaps having someone drill and tap threaded holes into a metal structure... Allowing you to use bolts without points. I think it is a great prototype and proof of concept.
I think steel tubing with nuts welded on to it instead of wood, would be ideal. No chance of the eye bolt slipping out like in the wood but still utilizing that pronation. Love the idea!
Maybe not good for tv or a course, but damn that was so impressive to watch. I love how you approached with a different idea and solved it. Awesome to see these ideas you come up with! Whether you or others think they are shit or not hahaha. Much love!
Thank you!💪😊
I think if the screw was bigger and little more customised (bigger thread, easy to screw in, maybe even a latch system?) This could be a very popular obstacle!! Let me know if I can design you something Anton!
Always! Any idea is better than no idea. 🤘🔥
make it have like a lever you have to pull down after screwing it in to lock it in place, like big metal screw, with a rod in the middle that stops it from screwing out of the thread.
I think if you could find a way to have the hand holds be 2 solid puzzle piece like steel objects, and have a cut out that, when properly inserted, will hold body weight without question. Would make it much faster, as can make the key rather simple, but still takes time to figure out how to properly insert, and under load will still be the challenge you are looking for.
If instead of using a wood screw, a tapped beam and a bolt would be a quicker and safer option while retaining the same concept. A grade 8 1/2-13 bolt has a sheer rating of 21000lbs. Easier to replace and the chance of it going out of round is far less under stress. Another option is a key-like insert out of laser cut tube steel like others have similarly suggested.
If you could create this without a Sharp point on the hook screw which makes it Dangerous if you fall on it. But if you can make the obstacle with a pre-drilled Threaded Hole and have the wooden or maybe even 3D-printed Threaded Pegs with Hoops for Ball connection that thread right into the pre-drilled/threaded Holes with a loop on the bottom to hook the balls too, then I bet they would allow that since it would be safer.
That's really cool challenge! Would love to see Magnus do that. But for ninja warrior format, it's taking too long.
Anton, this is bad ass and fun. But it looks like something some bros would do in a garage or something. I just can't see the big flashy national stage event having people twist little screws into wood with their fingers. Maybe some sort of big flash metal screw that has to register a lock somehow. Like big threads but metal into metal. Like that crazy axe looking thing. This looks way more backyard. Also, wasn't clear on what pronation was. Sounds like you've been hanging around Devon. Maybe explain what that is. Super cool. Can't wait to see how far you get on your own challenge in this vid.
I think it becomes more viable if you move away from standard hooks & holes in a wooden beam and towards a specialised type of screw. Instead of hanging in one place and turning the same hook a dozen times for a whole minute I would suggest something where the athlete has to turn only like 3 times (of course the setup needs to be designed such that few turns can safely carry the weight) but ten perform this for a longer stretch, switch sides more often, be more agile, have more movement happen.
Maybe have a setup where hooks are already inside of the beam but sticking out too much. They then need to be screwed in until a colored segment vanishes inside of the beam only then can the grip be attached to the screw.
This could be more attractive with a much coarser thread screw, like an injection molded plastic screw with only 3 turns. Sort of like a sand screw/ground screw for tents.
3 turns won’t fatigue your pronator ✊ but for time reducing purposes will work for sure!💪
I would have rated that a little higher due to the detail control you need to get the hook into the screw hole. You have to slow down and totally control you swing to get it started. Its a cool individual challenge but I can see why its to detail for the show. Enjoyed the video because I really wanted to see how you were going to beat your own challlenge!
This would be really cool if you had screws that took 3-4 turns to be locked in. And if you had metal inserts for screwing into.
with a decent steel bar, with less steps required it actually might be a decent ninja course
I'd say its a cool idea, for safety I would just upgrade from a wood beam and just drilled holes to Indutrial eyebolts and either Tapped inserts for the wood or straight up tapped holes in the beam. There are (for a extra challange) ones with rotating rings so you have to grip fairly close to the threaded end to screw the bolts in.
Anton your will power and drive to improve is very admirable. I've only seen a handful of people willing to truly get creative with pushing the envelope of what is possible. This is a forearm destroyer. Maybe try creating a version for arm wrestling. I think the pronation and supination would really be good for training it.
Very nice idea! I would only change the screwing thing with something different. Screws are sharp and people may get hurt. Imagine they don't catch it well and get nailed! Instead of screwing, there could be something that you would rotate (maybe a part of an awning hand crank), and while you are rotating it, a wood ball would descend, so you would catch it and continue to the next one.
Obviously the wood could strip which could be dangerous and doesn't offer a fair playing field. Having a point on the metal anchors is also dangerous if you fall with it wrong. The concept is cool though, Anton.
I think if it was more like a coursely threaded machine screw it could be a lot safer and wouldn't take so long to complete. Maybe someone could make you some oversized machine screw like eye bolts that have just 4-5 threads that are gapped. Something that would require 3-5 turns to be secure. Not sure if it'd still force the figure 4 move though.
Another option would be to maybe use something like a truck hitch receiver but made out of some composite material probably so if you fell with it, a heavy chunk of metal isn't landing on your head. You could probably get it 3d printed easily by someone in the community I'm sure. It's also rounded, so less dangerous, and you could add some threads to it that would require you to screw the ball into some sort of insert nut.
Think all these ideas would require some custom machining though, but overall an interesting idea. You'll have to get Mr. Mitdbo back on here to try it out when you complete it!
With screwing into wood there is no consistent resistance and second person doing the challenge essentially has the advantage. Other pointed out that using a bold and a nut could be better, but then there is no resistance. The resistance can be added by adding some weight on the bold. Imagine two wood pieces one on top another and the nut is inside the bottom piece, then the top piece will provide the resistance for for the bolt. And the challenge could be to screw the bold in and create a gap between two pieces so you can fit your fingers in between and then move forward using the gap.
use a c hook with the hoop attached that you have to move and replace infront of you that way is safe, faster, but still challenging. great idea, just a bit over the top. good for training but they would have to swap out the board every run and potential difference in load strength of hoop screw. but 2 c hooks that go around the stable beam would be interesting, simple, fast, but still difficult. maybe make it 3 c hooks and 2 ball grips and make rule that you have to move hook and replace grip before moving on. so c hook, ball grip, then c hook, ball grip, last c hook, and use first ball grip on 3rd c hook, then replace 1st c hook, and put 2nd ball grip on that. or just have 2 c hooks with ball grips but gotta move them forward manually kinda like your doing.
Just some ideas/suggestions for different versions for different situations
For speed challenge having the exact amount of holds for crossing so there is no need to unscrew will make it more about doing it right and quickly
For endurance challenge having 2 holds you can move then having to navigate a series of platforms makes it more about pacing and planning
I guess the algorithm said I should watch you because of some old video with Jujimufu. Glad I watched most of this video because initially I knew you were not going to be able to do it but I LOVE the solution you came up with. It's boring to watch. hahahahaha
Thank you for watching 💪🔥
Super insane how gassed your on hand was and you had to match each step. Toughing it out!
Im not cool in english, so...
Думаю можно сделать такую-же штуку, но с большими винтами. Металл даст очень большой ресурс использования перед заменой, не будет давать преимущества тем, кто идет позже, так как отверстие не будет разбито, а так же позволит сделать систему сигнала о достаточном креплении, если поместить во вторую гайку датчики, к которым можно присоединить лампочку или звуковой сигнал, которой возвещал бы о том, что винт безопасно вкручен и закреплен.
Cool idea, but in a time trial people would be incentivized to screw in the minimum possible to take their weight, which increases the risk someone could hurt themselves
If the screws would be replaced with "machine" screws and nuts It would be potentially much safer I believe and a little easier to screw in, still requiring precision but not as much wrist strength
That was very fun and cool. I love how much effort he put into the video
That would be a challenge centered more along Rock Climbing, and Climbers
😂. Always entertaining and funny, Anton .
That was insane Anton!
I predict in your next video you're going to use a bare 4x4 and bring the drill with you too. 🤣
Challenge accepted💪😂
10:45 use a metal bar with a normal bolt with a circle soldered into it instead of this self screwing hook and the wood wear problem would disappear and it would make it easier to screw the bolt in
If they made this out of plastic/metal using large (hand-size), T-shaped screws, this could be a good obstacle that only takes a minute or so
Maybe if you used a bolt instead of a self tapping screw it would be safer and wouldn't be banned? Like a M12x1.75 thread. Threading and tightening would be equal for everyone and the hole won't wear out so will be equally safe for everyone. Basically a bolt will make it way more consistent over a screw and it's not stabby.
u got whate it takes,tobe ninja Respect
An alternative obstacle for this movement could be a slot in the ceiling with a circular channel inside. You have to place a T handle up into it and rotate it so its tight enough to hold your weight . So then you have to do supination and pronation effort, and its precise, but it can be quick and repeatable. There may be some hardware already like this that you could try it with. A bit like a manhole cover key, but larger, though a manhole key might be a good place to start!
It could be key shaped and be called the keys to destiny or something. Potentially then you have different coloured keys for different slots and it becomes a mental game as well as physical as you have to decide which slots to place them into for speed and endurance. Imagine giant keys with awkward handles and the locks are really stiff.