The Chatterfang squirels also getting counters interaction works for the same reason that Parallel Lives makes two slimes with counters and not one slime with counters and a 0/0 with no counters. You can think of it as replacement effects working on the card's text. Slimes against humanity puts counters on each token it created(normally just one 0/0 slime), so if you have Chatterfang it will read "Make a 0/0 slime and a 1/1 squirrel and put on them a bunch of counters". Tokens will get the same effects. If a card says make a tapped and attacking token, the squirrel will also be tapped and attacking.
The key word that enables this interaction is "instead". If any effect would just cause additional tokens without causing a replacement effect, those tokens would not gain the counters.
Makes sense. If iirc, you can read it like: Original: Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample. Put X +1/+1 counters on *it*, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity. Replacement effect text: Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample *and a 1/1 green Squirrel creature token*. Put X +1/+1 counters on *the tokens*, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity.
What is even funnier than squirrels is how it should work with "Peregrin Took" from LOTR set. You would create ooze and food with +1/+1 counters on it :D
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@@apocryphascribe5019 You don't have to exile all copies. It says "search the library graveyard and hand" and not "reveal" (for the library and hand). Because hand and library are hidden zones you're allowed to "fail to find" and remove only as many copies as you want. Also, Test of Talents say "any number" and not "all" so you're also allowed to not exile cards in the graveyard Surgical Extraction works the same way
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I just built a commander deck around persistent petitioners and slime against humanity with Katilda and Lier at the helm. Self mill with the petitioners and then when you cast more petitioners, your slimes in your graveyard get flashback.
I've learned so much from these two over the years. I mean, I was cruel before I watched an MTGGoldfish video, but now my presence at an LGS is limited by the Geneva convention to 1 game or 45 minutes
9:57 Chatterfang is a replacement ability so the created squirrel gets all the modifiers from the token generator. For example with gala greeters creating a tapped treasure would make a tapped squirrel.
Yup, and this is a required effect, otherwise the squirrels would just create infinite squirrels. Unless Chatterfang gets text explicitly worded to prevent not just infinite squirrels, but any workarounds or loopholes players could find.
The game with the petitioners, I think Phil should have chanced that he would draw one more petitioner. That would have allowed him to mill 72 cards and was his only path to victory, blocking ensured the loss.
He didnt even have to. He should have just taken that 20 dmg. He had 6 petitioners and two in hand. If he had not chumped with the one he would have gotten the kill.
@@longlivemetaldude Sorry meant to say 5 advisors, he had 4 petitioners + Bruvac in play. 2 petitioners in hand and 5 lands. So even if he had drawn another petitioner he wouldn't have had enough mana.
Hi, Saff! This is Kazuki. My friend and I played EDH game with you and Crim at MagicCon Chicago yesterday. It was a great pleasure meeting you two folks and getting to play such fun game! Keep up with the great work! Enjoy your stay in Chicago😃
I love weird deck ideas, and i had no idea there were so many different "any number of copies" cards in Magic. This is a good video to pick one to try and build.
If you watch close in the bonus game when Seth checks the exile first it says 45 slimes but at the end it says 46 witch means that Phil actually did miss one of the slimes and if Seth drew it he woukd have had a 46/46 slime.
10:00 Chatterfang is a replacement effect, so you can effectively adjust the text of Slime Against Humanity to insert the replacement and it would look like this: Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample and that many 1/1 green Squirrel creature tokens. Put X +1/+1 counters on them, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity. It's the same reason that parallel lives created two ooze tokens with counters, because it modifies the part that says what to put into play and the rest of the text applies to everything that was put into play by the spell.
replacement effect on Chatterfang essentially re-writes the text on Slime against humanity to make a slime and a squirrel, then put that many counters on that (those) tokens.
Wait, its not chatterfang making the extra tokens, its the original source making tokens plus squirrel tokens? Is it because its worded as make x tokens plus x squirrels instead, rather than make x tokens and alao x squirrel tokens?
@er1276 Abilities with the word "instead" are known as a replacement effect. These effects apply themselves directly into the other effects, much like erasing and writing in their own text into another card's textbox. In this case, Chatterfang's replacement effect would change the textbox on Slime Against Humanity into: Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample plus that many 1/1 green squirrel creature tokens. Put X +1/+1 counters on those tokens, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity.
I've seen some crazy stuff from the Goldfish crew and the Card Market crew and some others but this is hilarious and amazing! I'd love to see a four-player EDH pod of this - idk, straight Goldfish, or Goldfish vs CM? I'll take either!
Everyone was so hyped to run Aeve as the commander for the slime deck. About three games in I realized that the Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider I had in my 99 was so much better as the commander. So now Aeve is resigned to my 99
@@samdillard1824 I would agree with you in this case. While I really love the extra effort in Phil's editing of these videos, keeping the gameplay as natural as possible should be the top priority. It's something that makes other popular channels very bland.
I think the chatterfang/ slime against humanity interaction is that slime says summon the token then give it plus x/x counters. Then chatterfang says if a source creates a token, it creates that many tokens plus a squirell. So the slime against humanity essentially has the create a slime token replaced with create a slime and a squirrel, then the counters trigger on what was created by the slime against humanity card.
Chatterfang oracle's explain The additional Squirrel tokens won't have any abilities the other tokens were created with. Anything else specified in the effect creating the token (such as tapped, attacking, "That token gains haste," or "Exile that token at end of combat") applies to both the original tokens and the Squirrels.
I've been trying to make the slides work, but so far the most success I've had was burn half the table with Shalai and Hallar. My personal favorite is Athreos Rats since he makes them less likely to fold to a wrath.
Interesting that the ooze deck wasn't helmed by Umori, the Collector. To me, that commander fits like a glove because it's an ooze itself and it makes all of the Slime Against Humanity-spells (aswell as all other sorceries) 1 cheaper while in play.
i think the best slime against humanity deck i've seen was built entirely around looting and impulse draw, because no matter where the slime against humanities go it grows them no matter what. so they impulse draw, only cast the impulse drawn slime against humanities if they have nothing else to do really, discard some to draw other cards, and even flashback some later in the game.
The "Phil and Seth spend all their wildcards to do insane shit" is my favorite series.
The any number of spells only require 4 Wild Cards, so it's not quite as bad
@@blueredlover1060 that's good to know, at least.
Same
Agreed!
@@blueredlover1060wait really ? Since when?
The Chatterfang squirels also getting counters interaction works for the same reason that Parallel Lives makes two slimes with counters and not one slime with counters and a 0/0 with no counters. You can think of it as replacement effects working on the card's text. Slimes against humanity puts counters on each token it created(normally just one 0/0 slime), so if you have Chatterfang it will read "Make a 0/0 slime and a 1/1 squirrel and put on them a bunch of counters". Tokens will get the same effects. If a card says make a tapped and attacking token, the squirrel will also be tapped and attacking.
Nice, this is what I was looking for! Thanks!
The key word that enables this interaction is "instead". If any effect would just cause additional tokens without causing a replacement effect, those tokens would not gain the counters.
Makes sense. If iirc, you can read it like:
Original:
Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample. Put X +1/+1 counters on *it*, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity.
Replacement effect text:
Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample *and a 1/1 green Squirrel creature token*. Put X +1/+1 counters on *the tokens*, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity.
What is even funnier than squirrels is how it should work with "Peregrin Took" from LOTR set.
You would create ooze and food with +1/+1 counters on it :D
@@adamkarolak3544 ooo weard ozilith synergy
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Love your content man your a big reason i started to try more jack decks.
5% of the way there in less then an hour..
not gonna lie to you just to make you feel better.
You're an attractive man with a sexy voice, but your voice doesnt match your face and had to put a sticky note over your face to be able to watch the video. its distracting
I tap the like button while the pre video ad is still playing on all your videos Phil, you never disappoint.
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So in theory, the slime deck can run test of talents itself. You can exile about 20 slimes and guarantee every slime you cast is lethal from then on
Looks like a good against the odds
Test of Talents in Commander. What a sight to see
How do you cast Slime Against Humanity when all your copies have been exiled due to Test of Talents?
@@apocryphascribe5019 You don't have to exile all copies. It says "search the library graveyard and hand" and not "reveal" (for the library and hand). Because hand and library are hidden zones you're allowed to "fail to find" and remove only as many copies as you want.
Also, Test of Talents say "any number" and not "all" so you're also allowed to not exile cards in the graveyard
Surgical Extraction works the same way
@@apocryphascribe5019 you can search for any number, so if you're using it on yourself you don't exile every copy.
Lol in the bonus game, I knew exactly what spell Phil was going to cast because of the smug look on his face when he passed the turn
Soooo brutal
Seth: "I came here to play slime against humanity"
Phil: "lol no"
@@brackish2386why would you ever run test of talents in a singleton format like brawl? This was only possible because they had prior knowledge.
@@liveadhdtv well at worst it's a narrow counterspell, and at best it does stuff like this. And hey, a narrow counterspell is still okay.
The music changing on Seth’s’ turn when playing slimes vs demons was hilarious.
17:36 phil's face contorting out of sheer glee is iconic.
Babe wake up, new video with Phil is live
Always the best magic videos
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Loved catching on to the bonus game just in time.
'Isn't leaving open a counter to a Slime pretty weak... oh... wait....'
I just built a commander deck around persistent petitioners and slime against humanity with Katilda and Lier at the helm. Self mill with the petitioners and then when you cast more petitioners, your slimes in your graveyard get flashback.
That’s gorgeous! Got a list?
Now this is gaming
After seeing how Phil milling the slimes turbo-charged the deck, Seth needs to play one more slime variant with a self-mill theme.
After that Test of Talents I will never feel sorry for Phil every again any time someone techs against him in commander clash 🤣
Phil just Metagamed Seth so hard in the Bonus Game and nearly still lost it. Golden Moment of typical german value player.
I love the brewers kitchen editing skills. The videos look so alive, the flow of the animations are just spot on, perfect.
I laughed out loud when Phil called on me to tap that like button, I realized it was already checked and he said "Oh, you did, thank you"
That bonus game was the highlight of the show. Glorious!
”I’m not even sorry” 😂😂
Please keep this series going! These are so entertaining!
Hell yeah love these 1v1 videos, thanks to both of you!
I like this format! Keep up the good work y’all
Really enjoying the new content in MTG Goldfish. It's awesome watching Seth and Phil chat/banter during their games.
we *NEED* more of these contents with Phil VS Seth! Love it!
Mick Gordon at around the 6:40 mark fits this perfectly lol.
Rip and tear!🤘🔥🔥🤘
Until it is done.
This was supposed to be a Commander Clash theme!!! I was really hoping for that.
Just finished building the deck for the Clash episode 🤣
I've learned so much from these two over the years. I mean, I was cruel before I watched an MTGGoldfish video, but now my presence at an LGS is limited by the Geneva convention to 1 game or 45 minutes
These are some of the best videos you guys put out.
That music switch during the demon matchup was absolutely perfect xD
We demand more phil/seth head to heads, dis shit gold....
9:57 Chatterfang is a replacement ability so the created squirrel gets all the modifiers from the token generator. For example with gala greeters creating a tapped treasure would make a tapped squirrel.
Yup, and this is a required effect, otherwise the squirrels would just create infinite squirrels. Unless Chatterfang gets text explicitly worded to prevent not just infinite squirrels, but any workarounds or loopholes players could find.
Phil vs. Seth is the best series of videos on the channel. Please keep these coming.
This was a lot of fun. Would love to see a “deck can have any number” Commander Clash matchup, too!
This is amazing. Please continue this series!!!
Lmao that bonus game was next level pregaming.
The game with the petitioners, I think Phil should have chanced that he would draw one more petitioner. That would have allowed him to mill 72 cards and was his only path to victory, blocking ensured the loss.
Even if he did, he wouldn't have had enough mana to cast all 3 anyway. I don't think there was anything he could have done.
He didnt even have to. He should have just taken that 20 dmg. He had 6 petitioners and two in hand. If he had not chumped with the one he would have gotten the kill.
@@SiegfriedDrachentoeterHe had 5 petitioners, 2 in hand and 5 lands. There was no possible way for him to get 8 petitioners in play, he was just dead.
@@osiris201 didn't need it. they say advisors, and Bruvac as an advisor makes #8
@@longlivemetaldude Sorry meant to say 5 advisors, he had 4 petitioners + Bruvac in play. 2 petitioners in hand and 5 lands. So even if he had drawn another petitioner he wouldn't have had enough mana.
I've never felt bad for Seth ever until today. Test of talents :D HOO BOY
Hi, Saff!
This is Kazuki. My friend and I played EDH game with you and Crim at MagicCon Chicago yesterday.
It was a great pleasure meeting you two folks and getting to play such fun game!
Keep up with the great work! Enjoy your stay in Chicago😃
It was great to play with you! Hopefully you had a fun con!
Freaking love it when the DOOM music drops.
The bonus game play by Pill is one of the best things I have seen in a minute 😂
This video has put such a big smile on my face, it was so funny. Great content!!!
The music editing in match 2! 😂
Hilarious, well played.
This is the ultimate showdown I have been waiting for ages!
I love weird deck ideas, and i had no idea there were so many different "any number of copies" cards in Magic. This is a good video to pick one to try and build.
Slime really feels like it wants to be played in a self mill deck since even if they get exiled they still count.
If you watch close in the bonus game when Seth checks the exile first it says 45 slimes but at the end it says 46 witch means that Phil actually did miss one of the slimes and if Seth drew it he woukd have had a 46/46 slime.
i've been eagerly anticipating some more kitchen!!!!!!
One of my favorite types of content. These two are awesome!!
Phil at the rnd saying and im not sorry was gold.
The music transition in the demon game was brilliant.
"I'm not even sorry" lmfao
Super fun looking. I'm gonna make all of these for my playgroup to play one day
Loving this series would love some videos with cool modern brews against each other
Man, now I want a full tournament of these cards.
More of the two of you playing against each other please
Gotta pack Thunder Dragon whenever you're playing a Dragon toolbox
Love these collab videos. You guys should totally add Phil to the podcast too.
Absolutely. He def should be on the commander podcast too
This is peak MTG content. Thank you!
Favorite series of any mtg content being made
Let's be honest. I don't watch a lot of your content, but everytime I do, I notice that Phil is reaaaally good at editing
10:00 Chatterfang is a replacement effect, so you can effectively adjust the text of Slime Against Humanity to insert the replacement and it would look like this:
Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample and that many 1/1 green Squirrel creature tokens. Put X +1/+1 counters on them, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity.
It's the same reason that parallel lives created two ooze tokens with counters, because it modifies the part that says what to put into play and the rest of the text applies to everything that was put into play by the spell.
this is the best series, an absolute hurrican-ado of ludicrous jank
replacement effect on Chatterfang essentially re-writes the text on Slime against humanity to make a slime and a squirrel, then put that many counters on that (those) tokens.
Wait, its not chatterfang making the extra tokens, its the original source making tokens plus squirrel tokens? Is it because its worded as make x tokens plus x squirrels instead, rather than make x tokens and alao x squirrel tokens?
@er1276 Abilities with the word "instead" are known as a replacement effect. These effects apply themselves directly into the other effects, much like erasing and writing in their own text into another card's textbox.
In this case, Chatterfang's replacement effect would change the textbox on Slime Against Humanity into:
Create a 0/0 green Ooze creature token with trample plus that many 1/1 green squirrel creature tokens. Put X +1/+1 counters on those tokens, where X is two plus the total number of cards you own in exile and in your graveyard that are Oozes or are named Slime Against Humanity.
This was awesome! More 1v1 would always be welcome :)
that test of talents was beautiful
I've seen some crazy stuff from the Goldfish crew and the Card Market crew and some others but this is hilarious and amazing! I'd love to see a four-player EDH pod of this - idk, straight Goldfish, or Goldfish vs CM? I'll take either!
A commander player remembering to use a creature land? Seth truly is the best of us
Everyone was so hyped to run Aeve as the commander for the slime deck. About three games in I realized that the Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider I had in my 99 was so much better as the commander. So now Aeve is resigned to my 99
babe wake up new brewers kitchen related content just dropped
That might be the first time I’ve seen the milled out animation on arena
The most impactful 2 mana I’ve ever seen spent 😂
oh god the first time i see brewers kitchen face and let me just say i did not expect that face
Now that Flubs, The Fool has been printed I want to see him at the helm of the Slime Against Humanity deck!
Dude every video with Phil just hits!
How?... How?... HOW does Phil still get me EVERY SINGLE TIME with a Bonus Game?!
I feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football
10:10 @phil there is a dragon that wraths the board! It's from MKM and it's called incinerator of the guilt ly.
Truly, those were some Phil Harmonic games.
Fun idea and great games. The scripted feel of the bonus game was a bit "meh" though. Thanks for the extra content, dudes!
there was 0 chance that seth didnt know it was coming he;s a skilled player with more knowledge than the average player
@@samdillard1824you way overestimate Sett :3
Also this game became bonus game only because he pulled that off
@@samdillard1824 I would agree with you in this case.
While I really love the extra effort in Phil's editing of these videos, keeping the gameplay as natural as possible should be the top priority. It's something that makes other popular channels very bland.
Phil really just pulled the Uno Reverse Card. Epic 😂
13:15 I was playing Arena and right when he said Aragorn, the Uniter I joined a match against an opponent running that exact commander :0
Phil x Seth content is always incredible.
Awesome matches guys!
So, I'll be honest: as soon as Phil passed with UU up in the bonus game, I knew what was coming. Still hilarious.
My shadowborn apostle decks in commander are amazing. I have two of them for a reason. Fantastic win con.
In the Petitioners game, Phil could have not blocked and then had enough for two Petitioner activations to completely mill Seth out
I think the chatterfang/ slime against humanity interaction is that slime says summon the token then give it plus x/x counters. Then chatterfang says if a source creates a token, it creates that many tokens plus a squirell.
So the slime against humanity essentially has the create a slime token replaced with create a slime and a squirrel, then the counters trigger on what was created by the slime against humanity card.
That Test of Talents, LOL
would love to see a commander clash where everyone builds around these relentless cards
Finished building my deck for it today, let's see how the Rats will do against 3 opponents 🤞
@@BrewersKitchen 🙌🙌🙌
Chatterfang oracle's explain
The additional Squirrel tokens won't have any abilities the other tokens were created with. Anything else specified in the effect creating the token (such as tapped, attacking, "That token gains haste," or "Exile that token at end of combat") applies to both the original tokens and the Squirrels.
I've been trying to make the slides work, but so far the most success I've had was burn half the table with Shalai and Hallar.
My personal favorite is Athreos Rats since he makes them less likely to fold to a wrath.
Lol that test of talents was brutal 😂
Should have known the mono blue deck was gonna say “Fuck You” to the Have Fun Challenge
Phil is just the coolest among Set and Crim. Hence this show is still my favorite whenever there is a video of it.😊😊😊😊😊
I've literally never seen Shadowborn Apostle activated until now and I've been playing commander since 2011.
I built a Slime deck last night and had a similar experience when someone tried to mill me out. Needless to say Jace is now in that deck XD
55 rats, 55 slimes, 55 clerics, 55 dragons, 55 petitioners, and 155 snow cover swamps
Dragons approach is good on cast if you have Thrumming stone on the field, or spell weavers helix
Interesting that the ooze deck wasn't helmed by Umori, the Collector. To me, that commander fits like a glove because it's an ooze itself and it makes all of the Slime Against Humanity-spells (aswell as all other sorceries) 1 cheaper while in play.
I wonder how good that chatterfang deck would be in other matchups
these are best content on the channel. So funny
We can take down an emrakul but can we take down a dragon?😂 good one Seth
i think the best slime against humanity deck i've seen was built entirely around looting and impulse draw, because no matter where the slime against humanities go it grows them no matter what. so they impulse draw, only cast the impulse drawn slime against humanities if they have nothing else to do really, discard some to draw other cards, and even flashback some later in the game.