Learn How to Land the F-16 VIPER RC Plane (E-flite F-16 80mm Landing Tutorial)
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0:00 Introduction \ Preflight
2:33 CG Checking & Adjustment
4:00 @5280RC Afterburner Takeoff
4:38 Touch & Go 1
5:20 Touch & Go 2
6:00 Touch & Go 3
6:42 Touch & Go 4 \ Thoughts
7:25 Touch & Go 5
8:07 Touch & Go 6
8:50 Landing \ Post-flight Thoughts
9:33 Pre-flight
10:36 Takeoff
11:15 Go-around \ Touch & Go 7
12:40 Touch & Go 8
13:22 Touch & Go 9
14:08 Touch & Go 10
14:49 Touch & Go 11
15:34 Landing \ Post-flight Thoughts
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Landings are the most challenging part of being an RC or Real Pilot. Anybody can fly fast and do any maneuvers but not many know how to fly slow and dirty. Love the Ace Combat music.
I'm glad someone picked out the tracks I'm using. I find that AC3 music goes well without being overbearingly dramatic so long as it's kept to a low volume to add something more to hear than just silence and my voice. Thanks Richard!
Very nice landings Jon. This EDF feels so good to me, I definitely don't struggle with landings. It's practically all I do when I fly it, is shoot touch and goes. I actually love everything about this F-16. Thanks again.
Anytime man! Consider that this jet is also a very capable aerobat and can perform some incredible post-stall maneuvers. Shooting landings is fun but exploring the full potential of what the jet can offer is also a worthwhile endeavour.
Runway looking good all mowed nice
Great video Jon! Thanks for sharing your technique, it really helps understand the characteristics of that aircraft and what’s needed to land without causing damage.
Thanks Jay! Glad to see you enjoyed. It's not just my technique - F-16s really have to be dropped on the ground in high alpha. Otherwise the nose strut will either collapse or break, and then you're definitely in for a hard time.
Hey Jon I’m curious, how does the F-16 land without being setup with flaps? I’m assuming landing high alpha is required but is it a much faster approach?
@@Viperdriver-F16 High alpha is required even without enabling the flaperons to function as flaps. F-16s need to land with a nose up attitude to maintain a lower level of energy on rollout. You can get a slower approach with flaperons without needing as much of a nose-high glideslope with them though.
Ok gotcha. Is there any weird flight characteristics to watch out for when using the flaperons?
@@Viperdriver-F16 Yes, if your CG is too far back the jet will get locked into high alpha and you'll likely crash. 130mm is what you should be shooting for.
hey jon.. the F16 airplane game is cool, that's a good idea, hopefully the tutorial will be useful, healthy & successful greetings huh..😎💪👍👍👍
such a beautiful plane! nice landings too 👍
Thank you!
As a newbie your content is the best very informative and you show stick implementation
Excellent tutorial! thank you!
Thanks for your quality videos Jon. My sweetie is getting me the 70mm Thunderbird for Christmas and I've watched the TBird videos at least 20 times. 😎 Blue Skies and Happy Landings...
Happy to help!
Great content, Jon i am learning a lot on your Chanel.
Thank you sir one of the best if not thee best landing tutorial on youtube. Thank you again Jon
Glad it was helpful!
Great video thanks for uploading!
Awsum again man
Thanks, J; keep up with the good work.
Will do, thank you!
Great stuff, Jon! Turning off the LVC, and just sticking to the timer might be the way to go in the future. The pack is not gonna survive anyways if the jet goes down in a nosedive. Would like to see some brakes coming from HH on these big jets.
No need for brakes when you've got proper airspeed management. High alpha landings destroy airspeed and produce manageable rollouts. That and reverse thrust helps too!
That's a very cool jet and your flying is spot on love your videos.
Thank you very much!
Well done. Very informative. Love the TX view.
Thanks Randy!
Well done 👍🏻
Thank you 😁
I got the Freewing ME 262 that i haven't flown yet. Gonna bind that up tonight. Its time lol
Very Nice Tutorial Jon, You did a fantastic job explaining what you were doing. Turning off the esc lvc is a good idea if you have a radio that can monitor voltage, I would not recommend it to a beginner or novice pilot. I have seen beginners having Habu's as there first plane instead of the traditional high wing trainer. Again excellent job!✔👍🎬🎥
Honestly, I'd recommend it to new pilots too. They're most likely to burn up a model in LVC. I'd rather someone burnt a pack than a model. Models are almost always 2x the price of a battery, at least.
Another cool video. I agree it’s fun to watch landings. Whenever I watch an RC vid I skip-to or stay for the landing because it really shows the skill level of the pilot. Have you considered flying a military style Overhead/Closed Pattern instead of a civil pattern? There are a lot of reasons the military flies the Overhead pattern (closer proximity to the field while low and vulnerable to manpads, turn point references are based off any strange field runway instead relying on known landmarks, and it keeps a SE jet landable in the event of flameout), but the biggest everyday advantage is 50% fuel savings or double practice.
The main difference is that Closed Downwind is only offset from the runway by a 180 degree turn radius. The radius is planned for a 45 degree bank angle while descending, and corrections up to 60 degrees of bank are acceptable (or you roll wings level, climb back to pattern alt, then reset). So there is no “Base Leg” but rather, a closer in “Final Turn.”
In RC land you get the added benefit of model visibility. Also, you can physically gauge the final turn descent rate by losing a little less than half your altitude at the half way point of the Final Turn-accounting for some altitude left for Final.
Final is just long enough to stabilize the throttle on glide path, then it comes back out to round out. The longer the final, the more conservative the pattern.
It’s more challenging for sure, and can be tricky, but you would have no issues. It’s most difficult with a crosswind coming from the direction of pattern offset, as it extends your turn radius most as you near completion of the final turn, since you turn the 45 degree “sail” of your wings more perpendicular into the moving air mass, causing an overshoot.
Another benefit is that all pattern adjustments, for different airplanes and winds, boil down to adjusting only one spot over the ground: the Perch point, or the beginning of the Final Turn. For your field that might be roughly two tree heights above that “high tree” point.
By anchoring only the Perch point at a known spot, then adjusting that point from one pattern to the next, military pilots have the advantage of easy, deliberate corrections for winds, so every pattern improves as it builds on the sum.
Civil pilots tend to wrestle with every landing minus applicable learning, because they fly a fixed ground path, which means the airplane must be flown differently every time based on the winds.
With a military overhead pattern, the airplane is flown identically each time, and only the Perch point moves for winds.
Just a thought.
I'm the same way - I tend to judge skill levels by how a pilot lands in either full or model scale. I also tend to watch other videos for landings more than aerobatics unless the aero is so overwhelmingly good that I'm seeing something I've never seen before.
I've never considered a different type of approach. Do you have some reference material handy I could read up on? I'd like to get more info on this subject and see if I can consider adopting it.
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Page 24 starts the Closed Pattern discussion for a T-38. The terms “Inside Downwind” and “Closed Downwind” are interchangeable. “Closed Downwind” means you pulled up into the Overhead Pattern immediately after a touch and go, while “Inside Downwind” means you entered the overhead via a Break Turn from Initial.
We also have an “Outside Downwind” which is about twice as wide, but we only head out there to setup for a straight-in approach, or, to fly back to Initial which is the upwind leg to the active rwy at pattern altitude.
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Found this too…
ruclips.net/video/RYjBjT79hLo/видео.html
The Perch happens at 1:07. He flies too wide and thus shallow/drug-in. When he announces “165/185” that’s his calculated Final Approach speed and Final Turn speed. These speeds require a verbal challenge and response between front and back seat (even though he is a student flying solo).
This pattern would be graded “Unsatisfactory” as he gets 6 knots slow in the Final Turn. Plus he flies wide after announcing “undershooting winds” to himself, but he didn’t tighten up Inside downwind spacing. Result: the Final Turn is flown around 35 degrees of bank and 5 dregrees nose low, vs a correct 45 degrees and 7 degrees nose low. The slow speed is borderline dangerous, as the T-38 is a sink rate machine.
The world needs bomber pilots, too.
It looks like you're saying I should come in and make a high AoA aggressive bank into the landing pattern to slow down instead of coming in for a long approach. Correct me if I'm wrong please. That sounds like an interesting thing to try and I think I'll start giving it a go - begin banking past a certain point and aggressively pull while getting into landing config so by the time I'm wings level, the model is close to being ready to touch down and won't be as susceptible to shear and turbulence.
Thanks Jon!! Amazing video and really good info
Anytime man, glad to help. Thanks for checking it out!
@@TwoBrosRC BTW, how do you like it compared to the Viper 90mm? Is this one more difficult to fly than the Viper?
I wouldn't say difficult, just different. They're both excellent jets. The Viper is probably a little bit easier to fly though, but this jet's got an amazing flight profile too.
Hi Jon - like a person, not a toilet (my middle name, BTW)! Getting back into flying after over 10 years absence and I really like the videos and your philosophy about set up (lots of throw and lots of expo). I am currently working on setting up my F16 and the learning curve is a bit steep coming from FM radios and thumb-expo. I tried using your .SPM file as a starting point, but I don't think my NX10 is really compatible as controls are way off. Landing videos are great...I was just at my fly-field the other day talking to a new flier. I told him to just come out and take off and land over and over and burn through several packs doing just base to final. He was apprehensive as he liked to fly around for a while before trying to land. That way he figured he would at least have a few minutes of fun flying around before he crashed and wiped out his plane.
Learning how to land should be the first thing newer pilots do - or what a pilot should be doing with an aircraft they just picked up and aren't familiar with. I like to say that just about anyone can get a plane in the air, but getting it back down safely takes skill, patience, and practice. It's not something that comes intuitively which is why I make these sorts of videos to really help hammer in on how important it is.
Great job ,lost my F-15 dew to battery shift straight in always check my bad
Great landings. Great tutorials.
EDF's still kind of terrify me. But I've got a UMX Timber X coming to my door later this week that I'll either get bored of or crash to pieces. So, maybe I'll be ready for EDFs afterwards 👍
Thanks for the awesome video.
I'll have to check out Hanger18 next time I'm visiting the in-laws down in Garner.
Happy to help! It's not scary at all once you get used to it. The more you do it, the better you'll get, and the less frightening it'll be.
Looks like a nice day for flying in NC
It definitely was. Now, not so much. Every day coming up is going to be hot and muggy until early September, but it sure beats living in Florida where it's like that for nine months.
Just what I need... can’t wait for this one jon (no H...👍) have been more worried about landing than taking off.
It's not a tricky jet to land, it just requires remembering that you have to touch down mains first in a high alpha configuration. If you don't do this, you'll likely hit the nose wheel which is the weakest link in the entire gear structure. The axle bends and breaks easily under forces it wasn't designed to take. Holding alpha with some throttle is a necessary skill to develop to land this model repeatedly.
@@TwoBrosRC - thanks for the training.. will keep and use your advice.. thank you so much.
It’s one jet I don’t want to crash...
Yeah Man! 😎👍
Great video…these type tutorials are appreciated. Did your plane configuration for this one include tailerons and flaperons or just flaperons?
Setup info is in the maiden: ruclips.net/video/0rAeM0ULxR0/видео.html
It uses both differential stabilators ("tailerons") and flaperons just as the full scale F-16 does. Glad it helped!
ad the night timberx and umx pitts to the 3 planes you have there and you have my top 5 favorite planes to fly.
Nice video. I really enjoy landings and takeoffs.
Thanks man. I have the Timber X, just haven't flown it in months. I need to get it back up in the air.
Trust me if you like the other 4 planes you need to get the eflite umx pitts.
I was always a “i don’t need a umx” kinda guy but I’ll tell you it is an amazing little flier that you can practice anything with and it takes a beating. crazy power on 3s. sooooo fun! looking forward to your umx pitts video.😜
@@FORDEVR Not sure if I'll get one but I'll definitely consider it. Thanks for the heads up!
@@TwoBrosRC Trust me. On 3s it will blow your mind! Borrow one from a friend but be sure to try it. I was shocked.
Very cool 😎 video! Can you do a landing video for the Freewing F15 90mm? I still have trouble getting the speed right for landing. Thank you!
The same techniques here apply - just hold the nose up further away with full flaps and use throttle to modulate the descent.
I enjoy your content ! I am fixing to purchase the f-16 which will be my second EDF and I need all the landing info I can get. I practice on the rf simulator but I'm sure there is a big difference between simulator and at the airfield.
Absolutely. Join us on Discuss if you'd like to chat! bit.ly/TBRCDiscord
Hi Jon, thanks for putting some meaningful content up. With landings are you stabilising roll with the flaperons on final or working rudder trying to keep wings level as you slow for the flare. I couldn’t see much left thumb action and the shorter span makes the F16 different to my F22 with a bigger lifting area
I use differential stabilators and flaperons on this jet. No need to use a lot of rudder because the setup doesn't produce much adverse yaw when rolling.
@@TwoBrosRC That’s right, I saw that video do you need 8 ch and to reprogram the RX to do this right?? Or is it just changing wing type to flaperon?
You need an 8ch receiver. The one I'm using is in the video description so you can use the exact same setup I'm flying on.
Well done Jon! Seems like it flies just like the 70mm! Easy! Lol. Just sold my 70mm yesterday. Hopefully I’ll get the 80mm someday. Oshkosh is just a bit after my birthday so I’ll wait and possibly buy something there!!!
Definitely isn't like the 70mm - I might make it look that way, but this is a much heavier jet and it flies heavy if you're not on the throttle during the glide slope. I definitely would say to get it - this and the Viper 90mm are the two best EDF jets available from Horizon in both flight control and scale appearance.
@@TwoBrosRC Ohh ok yeah! Well the E Flite F/A-18 flew EXTREMELY heavy and slow until I put an XFLY EDF in it. That helped a lot but still isn’t light nor fly like it’s lightweight. Thanks Jon!
I think you'd enjoy the FW 90mm way more, especially with the Viper 90 motor upgrade. The EF F/A-18 is honestly one of the worst flying models I've ever owned and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah i would but I just need a magical $500 to appear one morning 😂. I love my E Flite F18 with the upgrades I’ve done to it!
You'll love the 90 more. Trust me. 😉
thanx for the video, i just did the flaperon mod on my e flite 80mm f-16, what percentage are you using on the flaps jon
25% and 50%. Nothing further than that.
good video. i've been flying the new t-bird version which has the flaperons already set up and I have actually found my landings better to control without any flap....which is ironic as one of the things most flyers requested after the 80mm Viper was debuted was to have flaperons. I've found, just like you demonstrated was to get the nose up and use that throttle to control the descent.
I'm considering getting the grey version so I can fly fully loaded with all the stores. Any thoughts on how fully loaded compares to clean?
We haven't had any interest in flying with the ordnance. It's just there for decoration while it hangs from the ceiling.
Nice flying, your videos are always helpful and in depth. Your camera glances over it quickly but is that battery pushed all the way back? Also where did you mark the CG? I marked at 105mm like some other youtubers but am finding it wants to nose down a lot.
Thanks! We fly at 130 to 140mm back. 105 is far too nose heavy - try to avoid "influencer" suggestions as many of them have no idea what a good CG is. 130mm is slightly nose heavy and will fly great. 135mm is generally where we settle if we use flaperons. 140mm is about the far limit - 150 is where it gets extremely agile but also very unstable.
@@TwoBrosRC Thank you! I will have to give it a try. I have the heavier spektrum g2 5000mah 100c battery and I'm thinking it needs to go all the way back (or very close to it) with 135mm CG.
Hey Jon... are you able to show where you have the stabs set at neutral...
So many different measurements are being thrown around, that it’s really confusing. I have the leading edge point on mine set at 23 mm from the top of the (obvious location) body.
Can't right now, it's hanging from the ceiling. If you look at the model on the maiden after landing you'll see where the stabs were set though.
i would love to see a FPV conversion of this F-16
We haven't flown FPV yet - but might be something we look into in the future.
How does the 70mm compare to this one flyability wise? Just getting back into the hobby and only have my older DX6 radio. I just got the smaller A10 for my first plane, but love this model. I'm a F15 crew chief in ANG, but they don't have a good model of the F15.
Which 70mm?
@@TwoBrosRC The F16 thunderbird variant.
Yes, but which? There's several. 90mm, 80mm, and 70mm.
@@TwoBrosRC The 70MM as mentioned above :)
Is it worth getting the new Real Flight sim? I had Phoenix, but no longer have it>
They're basically identical airframes and should fly identically. RF is a great tool for learning stick movements, but nothing beats the real deal for practice.
Is your gyro working while using flaperons and how do you set that up ? mine only one working
Join us on Discord and ask in the tech-and-setup channel via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord
Hi Jon,
are the elevator servos soldered directly onto a single Y-plug or can they be separated using 2 extensions? how did you manage to separate them for the tailerons?
Thank you ;)
Antoine
Just run a pair of leads through the fuselage and connect them to the servos at the motor. That's all it takes.
@@TwoBrosRC ok, but I don't see any connectors at the servos on mine....
maybe they are deeper in the fuselage
Yeah, they're in it. Just pull gently and you'll see them.
@@TwoBrosRC ok Jon ! thank you for everything you do and your investment... I love your personality, keep it up!
I really hope I can get used to landing this jet. I have a super hard time slowing it down even with no throttle and flaperons. Every time I try to flare it’s going too fast and it almost gives me a heart attack. I want to love this jet, but I’m far from it right now. I’m not giving up on it yet though. Thanks for all your awesome videos.
Definitely get used to holding the nose up. All the info is here for ya.
What did you plug the battery balance leads into? I've never seen that before What am I missing.
It should be the afterburner system.
This plane has a big turn radius on nose wheel steering. Is there any way to make the nose wheel turn more like on a real f16?
As in making it turn 90 degrees? Not possible without extensive modifications, and even that wouldn't help much because you'd need differential brakes to make it really turn on a dime.
What rates do you use with a plane like this? Is it super twitchy at 100%?
All the rates. Setup is found at the end of the maiden: ruclips.net/video/0rAeM0ULxR0/видео.html
I fly with 150% rates and full possible deflections on all surfaces, with about 70% expo to tamp down the extreme response. I also recently modified the jet so that the differential stabilators don't fully deploy until the end of the aileron stick is reached.
@@TwoBrosRC Awesome thank you! You are a great pilot, and I really enjoy your videos.
Are you able to do a grass landing tutorial..? 🇦🇺😁
For this jet? Definitely not. It's not designed for grass.
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Ur lucky shirt! 👍
When i fly, i wear my lucky shoes, socks, & take my lucky handkerchief.
No, im not superstitious! 🤪👍😁
Haha, I just wear something that doesn't look goofy so I can be at least somewhat presentable on camera. I do love my Kühl shirts though.
My first jet, although I have the Thunderbirds version. Yes I know not ideally a first jet but it survived 6 flights so far. The nose gear strut alone costs about $55, don't ask me how I know that 😂. So I ordered a Viper 70mm which to my understanding is a bit easier to fly.
It is definitely a bit easier to fly than this jet is.
Hi, may i know the max flight time?
Depends on the battery you use and how you fly.
What about f-16 79mm
Same techniques apply.
Do you throw Pokeballs with your Gloves?
Absolutely. They also keep hand sweat from making the transmitter slip and break on the pavement. :)
It’s hard to explain but it’s not the F-16 Viper like it’s the F-15 Eagle or P-51 Mustang. It’s just the Viper. Kind of like Madonna.
Titles are meant to catch attention and drive engagement. Accuracy is important but getting people to watch the content is the goal.
Nice tips, but it's a Falcon, not a viper, two totally different planes.
F-16 pilots call it the Viper.
Just subscribed. I really like this jet. I hope my Mig 29 goes well and my second will be this F16.