The Clone High Reboot is an Absolute Mess
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Clone High is a series I've held in high regard for years now, and hearing news about the revival had me incredibly excited. While I've heard the show gets better from outside sources, the reboot fails on a multitude of levels that the original series excelled in and seems to lack the comedic spark that made it so memorable.
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The only good thing about Ghandi not being in season 2 is him not being affected by bad writing
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Ghandi was the lucky one. The rest of them got massive flanderiztion and now we are supposed to hate them. Especially Joan and Abe.
What
No
I think it would’ve been hilarious if they brought Gandhi back and then centred the cancel culture episode around him
That actually FEELS like something the show would do, too, that would have been genius.
Maybe cancel him on the first episode then take him out of the show until the last episode
Alternatively, have the cast "overcome" cancel culture at the end of the first episode and Gandhi just phases in from nowhere and everyone acts like he never left
@@mistergrool3941 god I would’ve love that. They always had those strange things with Gandhi like him with the ghost trucker and him riding an Aussie dragon
genius
I blame Abe's new character on people misunderstanding his original intention. A bunch of people think he's just an asshole and a womanizer because he didn't notice Joan's advances until last minute, so seeing them lean into the that stereotype and completely lose his original character is disheartening
I think is exactly what happened. They took too seriously the new fandom in 2021 about Abe being always annoying, that's why now acts perpetually stupid
I can’t imagine the moron that would think Abe is a womanizer when JFK is in the show.
@@dybixs1400 and now they appeal to people with shit taste.
Meanwhile they worship Joan. Hand genders been reversed Abe would be in a good light and Joan would be portrayed as an ass
They have the same writers and Abe only does this for like an episode
I was honestly so mad how dirty they did Harriet Tubman. Literally NO ONE would be able to tell who she was if they didn't tell you. Confucius as well no one would be able to tell who that is. THE ONLY person who feels like he belongs is Topher Bus. He looks similar to the old art style, he acts like an OG Clone High character and he's actually funny. The thing that really grinded my gears was how over designed the new characters like, Abe had a white and blue shirt with khakis, Joan had a black crop top with green pants, Gandhi has a grey tee with jeans etc. I hate the reboot.
Literslly epic rap battles did a better parody of confucius than clone high
While i do hate harriet's design. I always found it strange when people say they're bad because "they dont look like who they're based on" because most people who look at joan wouldnt connect her with joan of arc at first glance either.
(I personally like confiucius' design, ignoring the horrible neon color palette.)
@@djneonreaper4990 The Clones always have something characteristic from the person they are based from on their personality or their design, i guess that's what they mean.
even so, the new designs are obnoxious
The fact Frida Khalo ALREADY appeared in one of the last episodes of Season 1 with a totally fitting design is the most painful part about this reboot
same with harriet 😭 her design was so much better and fit the show more than the new one, i hate how they completely ignored them
nah the new one is so much better, the other one looked like a "mean girl" type girl and I dont think that fits Frida
@@futurehofer1564
It fits better than this shit. The real Frida was a bitch and a toxic person in a toxic marriage
Frida looks a thousand times better than season 1. What are y'all on?
Fitting? She was hideous.
Christopher Columbus is the only new character that feels like he actually belongs, honestly hes pretty cool
I love him tbh xd
I love his design and character, even though hes a chronically online schmuck.
This set of opinions is internally consistent, at least. I'm not sure I like what it says, but it's consistent.
Just like the real one....
@@ghhn4505 shut up
"Answer the question!"
I love how JFK acknowledges that a roundhouse kick to the face doesn't constitute an answer. He needs verbal confirmation or denial.
He & Gandhi were definitely the best characters in my opinion!
Thanks for explaining the joke
@@taylorhope4651 could you really not get it?
JFK being ahead of his time by understanding a roundhouse kick to the face doesn't constitute consent or denial.
@@NateS917 i think youre the one who didnt get it
Harriet and Frida definitely look like Total Drama ocs
I think that was because a total drama designer actually designed them, don’t quote me on that though
I😢 wanna😢 be😢 famous😢
They don’t work on it anymore
Ironically the Total Drama art style was heavily influenced by Clone High
The animation reminds me of Total Drama, and not in a good way
I just can't get over how they made Joan a literal SMOOTHBRAIN, they removed the sharp forehead
OMG finally someone mentioned it
OH MY GOD FOR REAL
It’s just that Gandhi was pretty much the main character for most of the B plots in every episode what he brought to the show was a lot more than people think They should’ve just said he’s Gary Coleman.
They said that if they didn't get canceled back then, they would have revealed that.
Yup, say they got his ID mixed up when cloning and tagged him with the incorrect name. And have him make a joke about how “that’s why I always found the solution in the path of violence” or smthn. Maybe even have episodes with him coping with his new identity and the fact he’s no longer Indian.
That was the original plan before the show was cancelled
I thought he was going to be a clone of Chris Tucker (I heard from somewhere)
In general, I thought that at the beginning of the reboot, the director would call Gandhi to his office, say, “Well, in short, you lived for 16 years with the thought that you were Gandhi, but in short you were not Gandhi, but someone else” and he literally spent the whole season looking for himself, trying different images and activities to understand who he is. This "mistake" could well have been found by a more serious Candid, so
Harriet Tubman should’ve been Madam CJ Walker, a successful black woman known for revolutionizing female black hair care; the hair design would’ve made way more sense.
Hell, imagine them changing it for every scene transition or every episode with traditionally black hair styles! Or a shot reverse shot joke where her hair changes styles every time it cuts back to her!
oh hear me out. keep them black assholes out. they're already blackwashing media as a whole. why do we need them oin what was once an amazing show.
it's fucking dumb.
Aw man, that would have been cool,
That would be a hella creative idea ngl
Why couldn't phil lorde and Christopher miller think of that
maybe if it has another series CJ could comeback
My big problem is the new clone’s design Harriet, Confucius, and Frida look like oc’s
They look terrible
Their appearances and personalities are not even close to their historical counterparts.
Yeah, I agree. They stick out like a sore throat and it kinda gets distracting at times ngl.
I mean to be fair I guess they are trying to make them look more Gen Z since these clones are supposed to be Gen Z clones which is why I wasn’t so bothered by it since their in high school
Harriet looks like a rejected Total Drama contestant.
This feels like such a small complaint, but I hate how the sharp edges of Joan's design have been rounded. It just looks so...off.
The only criticism of this reboot I can agree with
Right she looks terrible
real
that's pretty minor in a number of other larger issues
Lol right? It's so jarring and I wasn't expecting that to be such a weird complaint of mine
What I hate the most is like, Why couldn't they just manage the new characters the way they did with Jesuscristo, Monroe or Toots? They had less lines compared to the main cast, but my god are they iconic and so good.
Good point, they even could just use one of those extra clones to join the main cast but no, and now also the extra clones from S1 are more useless and now are straight background characters. Sad
Like van gogh was unforgettable to me despite only having one line in the show
+ background character were historical figures not random designs of normal teenagers it made the background more interesting
@@iexisted583 The Khan of all Khans was my favorite background character, I remember the Episode where he was very coherent and acted very Smart.
christopher columbus seems like the only new character that actually fits into the show, meanwhile the other three look like characters that were stolen from another cartoon and stuffed in this one.
I’m more disappointed how the newer characters, like Confucius, and Harriet Tubman don’t resemble their historical counterparts compared to Joan, Abe or John which as someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time studying history is extremely disappointing.
dosent joan of arc look very different from her real life version or am I missing something?
I think Frida Kahlo works? She's actually my favorite design out of the whole cast, even the old ones. And Columbus. But Confucious & Harriet, I think they went a little too over the top on.
You are reaching with Joan of ark dude
The way this comment starts and ends with saying you're disappointed mildly infuriates me
@@onettaviator5396 yeah, Frida works because she's an artist and the colors aren't as painfully bright as on the other two
This is why I don't like the idea of reviving shows that were cancelled eons ago. They'll just never be as great as they once were and it's hard to bring back the original people who worked on them in the first place because at that point they've already moved on.
Not everything needs to be brought back, especially shows that had a proper ending such as Avatar.
Exactly. Some shows can capture lightning in a bottle and managing to do that twice is incredibly hard. Even if you get the original people back, times change and so do people; they may not be able to make that same magic happen again. It's happened many times before and it'll happen many times after. It's why I'll always say that it's better to let a show die while it's at its peak than bring it back/continue it until it's a shadow of its former self. What a shame.
I understand what you're talking about, but I feel it won't always be that case. It just has to be done right, which would take a lot of brainstorming.
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@@WobblesandBean wasn't the ending terrible tho
I’m so happy someone finally mentioned how Abe is HEAVILY out of character in the new season!!!!! The new personality they gave him doesn’t fit the show as a whole at all, ESPECIALLY when he starts saying offensive things in the pilot episode. Seeing the guy who made out with his friend to show that ADD/ADHD wasn’t contagious or a bad thing, be reduced to saying things are “gay” and what not is like replacing him with an entirely new character.
The episode where JFK is recording músic for The 4rth of July, he textually says he is "laughing at lyrics that are gay" Abe was right, he would have been cancelled and if The idea was to show that cancell culture targets The wrong people over non issues, (you know that wasnt it) they did it all wrong
the thing I find ironic was how everyone freaked out over Abe saying spaz but like
Joan literally said that in the OG series
I think the episode would have worked more if Joan was the one to get canceled, or JFK they seem like the most likely candidates to be canceled
I’m more surprised that people are taking up for Abe. I mean he was definitely on the bottom compared to everyone else.
Did the show get a new writer. That's could be the explanation why episode 1 is like this
@@Elvusmiw I’m pretty sure the MAIN writers stayed the same, like Phil Lord and such, but I’m pretty sure they did add new ones.
There was one joke really broke me, the "I corrected his grammar, we won".
@Alex Wells rent free.
@Alex Wells that doesn’t work so well considering humans have used they/them with the same exact grammer long before trans was a thing
@@gektoast4968 No not really.
@Alex Wells Fanboy
@Gek Toast Bro do you think trans people just spawned in 2012? Trans people have always been here.
I keep telling people to stop hoping their favorite cancelled shows come back, we lived in the worst time for writing even before the new writers strike, and every revived show that fans had been begging to get revived for years, has just been a massive disappointment.
Bullshit.
^ Ducktales 2017 exists.
@@Stew91 I heard that fell off by the end.
@@Laxhoop It had some issues but it was still a genuinely good show. I mean the ending wasnt even as close as infuriating as Star vs the forces of evilwas
@@Stew91One example VS. 15.
I remember someone saying Confucius looks like a Fortnite skin and I think that was the best way to describe how he looks like lmao
nah bro looks like fortnite ninja himself..
Everyone's been either calling him that or Ninja. And they're sadly not wrong.
If that was a skin I would never buy, even if it 1 coin
Harriet even appeared in the original run, with a genuinely good design to boot I’d say, or at least better than the neon concoction we have now. Colors aside, something about her eyes seem off too, anybody else get that feeling?
Yea, the eyes are weird. They look…square-like? I don’t know how to explain it.
Indeed!
@@eddiestrashdump I keep thinking she’s wearing glasses bc of their shape 😭
She didn't appear in the original. What you are referring to is a leaked deleted scene.
Tbh when i look at Harriet's design i think she fit RIGHT in total drama if you ask me.
I definitely think the original Clone High did age, but that isn't a bad thing. They parodied early 90s and early 00s teen dramas, like the "very special episode" gag and the whole spring break episode with Ashley Angel.
That's why a reboot would never have worked. It captured a very brief and specific moment in time where teen dramas were still popular but slowly being phased out. Most people interested in the reboot wouldn't know or don't understand that it was a parody of shows like Twin Peak and Degrassi, a genre of tv that died only a few years after Clone High came out in favor for more reality television.
1000%, the reboot exists in a totally different media landscape and it just doesn't work without the specific backdrop it originally parodied
@@that_deadeyegamer7920 Degrassi: Next Generation ran from 2001 until 2015
@@poodychulak was it relevant the whole time though? I could swear it ended in like 2007.
I still use “And now for a very special episode” about random things in my real life.
Surprised no one has commented on the completely forced JFK/Joan relationship. In the original show, Joan couldn't stand JFK. The only reason she had sex with him in the finale was because she was feeling vulnerable due to her being upset about Abe and Cleo. It's more or less implied that she regretted it when she saw Abe at the end. Now all of a sudden we're supposed to believe that she has romantic feelings for a guy who she spent all first season detesting just because they had sex one night? Like, I get that the creators wanted to do the opposite of S1 with Abe now pining after Joan, but imo they should've put Joan with a new character who had somewhat similar qualities to Abe. Joan and JFK have no chemistry as a couple at all.
And while we're on the subject, can we talk about how shitty of a friend Joan has been to Abe this season? In the first season, Joan never gave a shit about being popular and she sure as hell wouldn't have shunned Abe just so she could be accepted by the "cool kids". And don't even get me started on Episode 6. I know Abe had his shitty moments in S1 but he was still overall a good friend to Joan and she has done nothing but treat Abe like shit all season, but Episode 6 absolutely takes the cake. She ends her friendship with Abe despite the fact that he spent the entire episode trying to help her, yet she just forgives JFK and Harriet for kissing each other no problem? Joan used to be one of my favorite characters in the show but now I can honestly say that she's probably my least favorite simply because of how far her character has fallen from S1.
Oh well, at least Scudworth and Mr. B are still funny.
Yeah, and anyone else noticed that Joan has become the main character of sorts of the show. The last season worked better with everyone having equal amounts of screentime. But now it feels like Joan and JFK are the main characters, while Abe, at times feels like a secondary character and Cleo was practically a background character in the first couple of episodes. Speaking of Cleo, I am surprised her and Abe haven't interacted with each other much. The prom night wasn't just about JFK and Joan, it was about Abe and Cleo, and Gandhi and Marie Curie but sadly Gandhi is in the Shadow Realm for a time. Like, Cleo should be confrontational with Abe and absolutely PISSED off with him.
Also I will say this, but when JFK and Joan were caught, it was implied JFK was more proud of having sex with the only girl who refused his advances. But this new fanbase that was created from the pandemic totally missed it. They thought JFK was being totally sincere, the guy who was meant to be a sleezeball and admitted to having as much sex as possible with women due to his insecurity with having two gay dads. The same JFK who made a move on Joan by asking if she was drunk enough to sleep with him. Come on, the guy wasn't meant to be a loveable boyfriend. Now while people can change, the dude didn't prove he could change, he just did.
I always hated her because she was a massive nlog pickme, imo the new season shows her true colors and what she really wanted and how she pretended to dislike popularity just to be a contrarian. She never struck me as a genuine person who believes in her cause, so the ending was very satisfying to me when everyone saw the truth and turned on her. But I understand where you're coming from with the friendship thing and the relationships being forced.
She didn't just sleep with him because of Abe/Cleo. That's why she agreed to go to prom with him. When she stops pretending to be a 'vapid whore' and goes back to being herself, and JFK comes back and talks to her about how he liked her better as herself anyways, and handed off his other dates that were just with him "because he's JFK" - THAT'S why she slept with him. Because he was more than just a womanizing moron, and the depth buried under the sexhound was intriguing to her. She was being valued by someone that actually saw her for her after Abe had missed every single blindingly obvious hint.
I think turning that into an "ummmm YEAH SURE!" relationship is hilarious after being thawed, and the flip of putting Abe in Joan's shoes after a season of basically ignoring her (for the joke, but still) even though it's pretty clear they're not great together, is exactly par for the course of the shows Clone High parodies. Joan and JFK have a history and that's the very thin thread that 'makes them work' enough for the reboot.
I feel that the decision of adding Harriet, Frida, and Confucius was partially to diversify the cast, but I’m honestly kinda appalled Harriet Tubman was, of all black historical figures, the one they went with. This goes with the issue of the new characters having no relevance to their clone parents - you can’t really make an off hand joke about Harriet Tubman, or at least the writers don’t seem to have the confidence to (especially considering how the show was first canceled). There’s also just so many more black figures, musicians, activists, etc. they could have went with for their one black character, and they choose someone born into slavery.
I agree with the diversity thing, and it's totally why there aren't any jokes involving these characters or why they never do anything bad or offensive and are just "perfect" and always the "good guys" in the show. But the inclusivity committee being just them and who ever they choose to include and them kicking out anyone who they don't like and the rest of the school being left out was hilarious because it's so true lol
That's the problem... ditch this whole diversity nonsense and just go your own route.
Diverse or not, you'll piss people off. Look at you, they went diverse but you don't like how they did it.
If they didn't, you'd complain they didn't.
This injecting today's ideologies and childish race issue nonsense is what ruins these remakes. The freedoms of their jokes back in the 2000s is what made them great, that small always-pissed-off minority was ignored. Now? They get so much attention they've become tyrannical, controlling media, controlling hiring, controlling who can be in power, controlling what you can and can't say. It's fucking insane.
So it ruins shows, it ruins movies, it's agendas after agendas strewn throughout everything as to not offend the protected class.
Western media is a damn joke, gone far downhill because it's about feelings before entertainment.
If youre offended, don't watch the damn show but no, that's asking too much people need to shut it down because they don't agree with it.
Disgusting
I felt if Topher Bus doxxed JFK and then Confucius starts freaking out and JFK not understanding what’s wrong would of been really funny
THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY WITH THOSE SCENES OH MY GOD
they could have had him tell jfk to khs it would have been a lot funnier tbh....
That's a great jdea actually, if Topher would have just typed out Confucius IP address I would have died on the spot
thats what i thought was happening but he was just being an internet warrior, all the "zoomer" stuff is so surface level honestly, the apology video thing was kind of funny but everything else just feels cheesy
saw someone on tiktok say the same thing and tbh it wouldve been so good, like hearing jfk say smth like "i like your funny numbers magic man" when getting his ip leaked wouldve been hilarious ☠️☠️
It falls into the biggest trap that reboots tend to fall into. That is to say: the show returns in name, but not in spirit. The outer shell is the same, but the inside has been hollowed out and replaced with something else.
Yep. They just want to take advantage of the IP to get attention, I mean look at vel... Sorry, I'd forgotten that name is offensive now.
That's a load.
@@TheZephyrsWind
"They just want to take advantage of the IP to get attention"
As if.
@@dylansharp8471good comeback, you are definitely showing your age
That's not really a "trap". I don't feel like you're saying very much here.
I think Harriet Tubman is the stupidest design compared to her season 1 design, there I said it. Its awful 😅
she was in season 1?
@@latviandragon2718yes that was said already
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 no i wad asking a question
@@latviandragon2718 well you didnt use a question mark so no one could know.
And yes she was in season 1 in the makeover episode
@latviandragon2718 where was the question mark?
honestly my biggest peeve is what they did to cleo’s character
they focused on dialing up the mean girl trait up to 100, ignoring that she did have more personality than being obsessed with her looks
watching that season 2 episode about tests and seeing that she didn’t care about her grades made me so confused, like this is the same character who made abe constantly read her textbooks while she slept so she could get good marks on her test
and her weird and overzealous animosity towards joan is just off putting
it’s just a little jarring to watch her scenes, the few that there are
i hope it gets better
The va is worse too
It got better with her dating Frida ngl, I enjoyed that little side plot. And she joins the group and stuff and Joan is sort of painted as the true bad guy the whole time and she finally apologizes to Cleo, because to me Cleo was never in the wrong and even tried to help and approach Joan in season 1 but Joan kept turning her down because she's so nlog and special like that
I like how Topher is the only character that hasn’t been complained about as far as I can see.
That’s because he works
I think that's because he fits the most in the series imo
He's at least entertaining, having character flaws is what made the original interesting and when you remove that from most of the characters they have no conflict or they just become tropes.
Honestly I knew something felt off when I saw some of the new characters. They clearly don't don't gel with the original artstyle and feel like what a Clone High OC would be like.
Also Press F in the chat for Ghandi.
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The fact that I expected Frida Kahlo to say Lincoln was "based" instead of cancelled on the first episode kinda already tells everything.
what does it tell
right. this shit is so fucking dumb/cringe. it's gonna flop.
Yep. It's gonna be that kind of show.
@@standoidontwantalastname6500 it's cringe
@Mint Chocolate Hot Sauce it's pretty based actually
The thing i miss the most about the original is how iconic the designs were, but you could still tell who you were. I actually could not tell who Confucius and the other new characters are without their own nametags.
Minus Confucius and Colombus they picked two bad historical figures to make characters.
No one outside of arts majors who minor in gender theory are you gonna have fans of Frida Kahlo.
I know Harriet Tubman's name, but honestly as a non-American I don't know wtf she actually did (Rosa Parks I know what she did, same thing with MLK etc).
So why are the new clones so niche?
JFK, Abe Lincoln, Ghandi, Cleopatra and Joan of Arc are all characters in the cultural zeitgeist of the entire planet. Everyone knows who they are most were world leaders (I'd say Joan of Arc is a bit on the iffy side there).
Like if I was gonna pick obscure weird people from history (even though the reboot is supposed to be about the clones of WORLD LEADERS being groomed for leadership and Frida Kahlo and Harriet Tubman weren't exactly world leaders) I'd pick Gilles De Rais, the confidant of Joan of Arc and infamous serial killer and play up him being a simp to Joan but a psycho to everyone else, he'd be the Nice Guy TM.
Like honestly, you can tell more about the politics of the writers cause they chose Harriet Tubman and Frida Kahlo, Harriet who is barely renowned outside of the US and Frida Kahlo an obscure Mexican artist whose paintings included self-expression and ideas on gender.
They're a far cry from the same notability as the rest of the cast.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal I mean for the Harriet thing, you can’t blame them for that, a lot of ppl know about her
@@Splatoob Yeah. She was supposed to be put on the 100 dollar bill.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal idk man, I'm not from America and I learned about Frida since primary school 🤷🏾 And I'm as old as the season 1 lmao
@@TheLikenessOfNormal that's messed up Abraham Lincoln get more credibility for "ending slavery" than literally Harriet Tubman 💀💀💀
I feel like the new designs would be improved a lot if they simply didn't add patterns to their cloths. it gives you way too much to look at for really no reason
they look like an 11-year old girl's first OCs on DeviantArt
@@beabea5985 give them SOME credit...looks like a 15 year olds oc
no patterns, and take away the clashing/eye straining color palettes
I would love frida just to have a regular skater style outfit. She gotta keep the unibrow tho
@@Mojo-w6p I like Frieda and Topher, I want them to stay. I'd say I like Confucius but they don't do enough with him for me to care. He'd be good as a background character like George Washingmachine Carver. I hate Harriette though, get her out of here. Her design sucks and she sucks, stop taking screen time you harpy.
i also thought the bloody violent scene with cleo was just awful. like it felt so family guy
The show looks...sickly I suppose would be the right word. It's too bright, and I think a perfect comparison is to compare the dark red of Joan's hair to the bright pink of Harriet Tubman's. If the latter's hair was a darker, more muted pink, it would go a long way to making the thing not look obnoxiously colourful. As is, I really don't like looking at it, especially when compared to the colour palette of the original show
Yeah, new designs are kinda... Gross to look at side by side.
One issue with the newer art style for me is the line weight. The simple designs just don’t work well with super thin lines
Joan acknowledging the writers room from 20 years ago was not only jarring and unfunny, it was stupid for the writers to highlight this when they’re producing the worst version of Clone High. So tone deaf and foolish.
It felt like a joke that belonged in Velma💂
If it was the only joke like that as cringe as it was, I'd give it a pass as just blowing off some steam, but there was more miffed feminist digs ( I mean jokes) about the old show that as you said felt jarring and unfunny. I can only hope this was just this episode and they're just getting this off their chest, so to speak, but with how weak the jokes have been so far I kind doubt it's the last of this.
Given the drop in quality from the first season, this is inadvertently making an argument against adding more women to the show’s writers room.
@@kewillia yeah I thought that too. Wait until you can keep up before you say stuff like that.
@@brainthebrian3690
Personally though I’d rather not have the shows writers project their blowing off steam into a show we’d like to enjoy
Rest easy Ghandi. I never watched the show but you gave us the 'Say WHAAAAAT' clip, and for that, you shall be remembered.
Cleo was really pushed into the background like all does is get upset about not being the hottest girl, wanting to be prom queen and then falling for Frieda. It was very wtf. The parents are all missing too which was definitely a noticeable change. Like the lack of figures the clones can talk to.
It’d be really funny if the twist in episode 3 is that the awfulness was planned somehow
Man, that'd be an awesome turnaround, especially if they brought Ghandi back and revealed that he's, in fact, Gary Coleman, as was planned in S1
Like she hulk finale?
@@bazookasniper5167the she hulk finale was more outright cowardice to admit it's bad.
Like you don't make the enemy literally redditchan and then have zero payoff.
Eve Law and Order 's gamergate episode was better.
Honestly, I don’t know why reboots/revivals don’t simply follow what was done before or even try to replicate the seasons before. Like The proud family reboot or even the new total drama. These reboots try to be relevant to today instead of just being timeless.
im not sure what's different from the TDI reboot over the other seasons
The new tdi reboot has just about the same amount of fart jokes as every season that came before it lmao
Tbh, other than episode 5 the Total Drama reboot was actually good.
i feel like the total drama reboot works because it's such a time period centric show? total drama island is such a 2000's time capsule, i thought it was really neat to see how it translated to the 2020's & the new characters were great
new total drama season was rly good
I absolutely agree with your points Cartoonshi, how this reboot and/or new season ended up is so disappointing.
Its been 2 episodes, i admit it’s far from perfect but im sure it will be fine
@@diamondarrow4567 Abe being out of character in these 2 episodes to the point he’s not even the same as the first season, I would argue makes it disappointing.
@@TheDataByteChannelhe was barley in episode 2
I still find the bit about Chris not wanting to be associated with the original weird considering that people like Genghis Khan and Napoleon walk around completely fine, but atleast he's more interesting than the other 3 cardboard cutouts.
I mean, it’s because there’s a more personal connection to Columbus. People are encouraged to have opinions on the guy, in America. If we celebrated “ruthless warlord day” people would talk about it, and I hope the show uses that fact for drama (but more so comedy) at some point.
Because Columbus Day still is stapled to calendars.
Napoleon and Genghis Khan both committed their war crimes against members of their own race. Christopher Columbus' wrongdoings were persecuted against (what is now) a visible minority. So Columbus gets far more hate from the woke.
to be fair, the original Christopher Columbus was kind of a nutjob according to some sources. they could just be playing his paranoia as a part of that.
Because Christopher Columbus lives absolutely rent free in people's heads, so much so that they can't remember every major figure in history ever sucks
That lighthouse joke caught me so off guard, It's genuinely so funny.
I feel that the bloody gags are the writers venting their frustration and anger as subtly as they can get away with.
It screams like something I would have destroyed after writing and getting the emotions out. All the writing changes paired up with the flak they have gotten for the original series tells me that they wanted to do the reboot but then got saddled with a lot of mandates that made them want to minecraft themselves.
Actually… highly likely.
That, and the fact that the original Clone High was rated TV14, while the new season has a TVMA rating, meaning that the new season is another adult animated show that tries way too hard at getting a higher rating.
@@vanderquakSP *Oof*
I'm wondering how much Lord and Miller's involvement in the film/TV industry is being stretched too thin now. I mean in Season 1, this was one of the ONLY things they were making, so it had ALL their attention given to it. Today, on top of making Clone High again, they've been producing 3 or 4 films, and Miller has his own show The Afterparty on Apple TV+.
Normally producing a film can be debatable on how much they have involvement in a project compared to the directors, but in Lord and Miller's case, Spider-Verse is THEIR baby; between writing, producing, and choosing the film's directors like the first film, that's TWO films in a row they're overseeing from beginning to end. I feel doing all that while showrunning Clone High (and Miller over at Apple) means something there is going to take a hit at some point (unless the rest of the season picks like others are saying).
Honestly, if they’re behind everything going on with this new season, and if they have a proper chance to TRULY care about the quality here, I’d advise putting this new branch of the show on hold until the new Spider-Verse movies are all wrapped up and done with.
@@SprainedSentinel But then Clone High will be in production hell/limbo forever. Spider-Verse still has one last movie planned for now iirc, and they take a VERY long time to make, even now that they've perfected some of their techniques and aren't starting from scratch.
I can see why they aren't waiting. The more they wait, the less interest Clone High will receive and the more risky it gets. They finally got their chance and networks aren't known to uphold their promises and deliver shows. You never know when you're getting cancelled for some reason.
However I do think that they should have spend more time on this and waited a bit if they had to. Some decisions are simply not good (the designs and art direction mainly, a wonder considering they put out fucking Spider-Verse! Even the smallest details like rounding off every design doesn't work. Brightening the colors COULD have worked to pass it off as a new period but then keep the main cast with muted colors. Even better if they kept their sharp edges but not the others. I get where some of the decisions came from but they aren't executed well!) and from what I've heard, the writing is on-par as what they've written before.
My opinion is that if the first bunch of episodes isn't as good as the rest, then it means that you need to rework on them. It's a good idea to come back to the first things you wrote once you've finished anyways as you've now fully immersed yourself in your thing and have the full view.
Hopefully they got the hang of this again by now and season 3 will be even better!
I have the same thought as yours.
Can I please get a raise of hands for who was expecting this to happen?
Me ✋
Second I saw the trailer ✋
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The second the reboot was announced I sensed it ✋
Cis people are mad of this reboot cause it not made for them lmao
The ultimate monkey's paw. 😈
You're honestly on the money right there.
@@lifemattersnot
What now?
The finger curls...
honestly, they should have Edgar Allan Poe in the series.
Christopher Columbus is the only new character that fits the style while the others look like total drama knockoffs
Honestly, it really does feels that Clone High season 2 is like " What If Clone High was written by people behind Helluva Boss" to an extent.
I think it's problem is that the original's goal was to make a good/funny show. The reboot's goal is to make a reboot of a show that apparently had comedy. Like they knew they wanted to bring it back, but stopped there.
I think the biggest problem is the plot. The use of tropes flipped on their head in the original gave way to lots of moments to put clever jokes in. The new one is just tropes, no subversion or anything. The whole charm of the first is parody, but is almost completely absent in the new one
Yea the old one was a general bad teen drama/hokey teen show parody, the new one just dropped the parody part...
If this is what Clone High ends up being like after 2 decades, I'm scared for the Daria reboot if Paramount is still doing that.
You shouldn't be. Mike Judge rebooted Beavis and Butt-Head and it is still funny. I have hope he will continue to do good.
They’ll make Daria a lesbian.
@@SchmergDergen wait why is that actually true 😭
@@not_Edix because being progressive means what came before wasn’t enough.
It's a movie now
Finally you put it more cohesively on what I was saying about Clone High.
The animation and delivery was crucial to the OG clone high and the reboot just misses the landing a lot, even with some jokes I think could've landed. There was a charm to its stilted animation and somewhat dry/quiet humor that complimented it so incredibly well. Just because you can tween in animation doesnt mean you should. The delivery just doesnt land anymore, everyone sounds older and kind of tired. Cleo's new voice isnt as great as I remembered it (from what I can hear the OG voice actress to Cleo might have been able to pull off the delivery better than the newer VA)
It just all feels off in a way, I get more of a total drama vibe than I do clone high. I really want to be proven wrong and see this series be as great as the original but I honestly just have my doubts.
"Just because you can tween in animation doesnt mean you should"
What?
"The delivery just doesnt land anymore, everyone sounds older and kind of tired"
It's been 20 years dude. I think some of them sound the same.
@@dylansharp8471 I’m referring to the animation being slightly more bouncier than it used to be. Its tweening. But it really doesnt fit for the Clone High style since it was more snappier. The tweening just makes it lose that snappiness it had.
No duh, they are obviously older but my points stands; the delivery is affected majorly because of that.
0:16 Genndy Tartatovsky is just the best at what he does and when he has a creative vision, he sticks to it.
The Critic show was so underated
I wish THAT would get a new coat of paint, but knowing modern "cinema" it'll probably resemble a third graders crayon sketch
Edit:
Also "Start Over" By Abandoned Pools slapped so hard
My real problem is that Harriet and Frida ARE BORING CHARACTERS...bring back Ghandi. The show isnt that bad but it still needs some improvement like removing the dull characters
If anything they could’ve made Confucius that one friend people go to for help, wanting to help people better their lives
I wonder if the extra cast was originally just going to be frida, and Columbus, but was expanded to have more “demographic appeal”. That would at least explain why their is such a clash in character design.
100%. They clearly wanted to add a new character to fit all the major ethnic groups that didn’t get representation. That’s why the new characters are black, Hispanic, and Asian
christopher columbus is the only one who looks like a actual clone high character
Well it looks like Gandhi will be frozen forever since the show just got cancelled
Watching the first episode, I thought they were pointing out the hypocrisy of modern culture for most of the episode. The Inclusivity committee ate lunch in a section of the cafeteria that was roped off and had a bouncer, literally excluding anyone they didn’t deem worthy to dine in their presence. I was laughing my ass off at most of it but when the episode ended with Abe apologizing when I honestly don’t think he needed to (Joan was the one ignoring her friend in order to be popular) I was left disappointed.
i think that episode was healthily critiquing fake, corporate inclusivity AND refusal to be inclusive. they are both sides of the same coin kinda. what abe was saying was obviously messed up, but it was the fake, insincere apology videos that showed how he was truly in the wrong.
@@isntreal3188 What did he say that was so bad?
@@Groggle7141 he said that you should kys lmao
@@Groggle7141N word (haven’t watched the show, but that’s really my best guess).
This. First episode was the best of the season and I thought the show was going to be more self aware while making fun of the ridiculously holier-than-thou attitude people seem to have these days but instead it just devolved into pointless, generic drivel.
Best review I’ve seen so far. So many people are saying “give it a chance,” and I have been, and I’ll watch episode 3 but this ain’t it. No Gandhi for a bloated cast, half of which now sucks is tough to swallow.
I'm telling you, modern young writers that come from wealthy backgrounds of the east coast are always responsible for writing the worst of stuff. Every single time.
Cope cisgender your cis produced shows are terrible
@@aaweels4085 cartoon reviewer English
You mean West Coast.
exactly
@@adeptdamage3669 ERRRR DURRR CALIFORNIA BAD HURRRDURRRR
It should be a crime to make a confucius design without a beard or moustache.
Yeah and it's weird that Jesus, Abe and Van Gogh have facial hair but Confucius doesn't.
I’m glad someone finally said something, its been bothering me that everyone has been praising it for “being very similar to the original” but I watched the original the day before the new one came out and I could barely notice ANY similarities that wasn’t just the characters. Like even JFK says “err uh” like twice in the first 2 episodes.
"Throw some 'errs' and 'uhhs' in there!"
The 90s and 80s were a great time for adult cartoons
@@WSendam aqua teen hunger force yessir
There are still good adult cartoons in the 2000s,2010s, and 2020s. Where have you been?
and 2000's
@@johnsoapmactavish9921 90's and 2000's were the golden eras IMO
Boondocks baby
Lord & Miller should’ve rebooted Clone High from the ground up, by using their skills that they learned in their movies to help make a New Clone High Series have the same weight as the show, while also using some of their experience in their films to make the Clone High Reboot feel more cohesive. Plus, they wouldn’t have to make a reasonable explanation as to why Ghandi doesn’t show up in the 2nd Season.
I have to question how involved they actually were in this, with how stretched they are
I heard that before the original show was cancelled, one of the proposed ideas for Gandhi was to just have him vanish from the cast with no explanation.
@@dimsufferer9951They weren’t super involved in this season since they were busy over at Sony Pictures Animation working on Across the Spider Verse.
If this show was meant to have a second season, it would have been before the show got cancelled. This one is better off being remembered as an under-appreciated cult classic.
Christopher Columbus and Frida are my favorite new designs. They feel like they fit in and are a natural evolution of the art style in my eyes. The other two have way too many patterns and clashing colors. If they had dulled down the colors and gotten rid of the patterns, I could totally see their designs fitting right in.
I couldn't even tell that was Confucius.
@@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4811Most couldn’t.
If people can have this many problems for Clone High, I hate to see how bad other revivals like Futurama might go down. I'm calling it now, it's not gonna be pretty.
Futurama is a little different at least because it’s already had 2 separate revival runs after it’s original cancellation and this will be its third. It could still go horribly wrong of course, people are already a little iffy on the last revival, but the new Futurama season functions more closely to how Family Guy was cancelled in 2002 but brought back a few years later rather than being a reboot
@@GregCubedSure Futurama wasn't out for as long, but I'm afraid both the audience and the writers could have problems down the line. Who knows, may be better off than Clone High or even worse off.
@Blended Circuit I don't think that's going to happen. If you saw the Hulu ad for the new season, they clearly want Bender and the main cast to keep the show afloat.
Why the fuck are they bringing Futurama back, it already ended well enough. What is the point?
They want more money.
Would've guessed reviving a two-decade-old show while removing the best character would result in disappointment?
After the trailer, I knew this was gonna be rough. Not terrible, but rough.
Cleopatra being absent mostly and incredibly boring was particularly hard to swallow for me. She was such a funny character and had so much more depth. She was a favourite :(
There's absolutely no point in bringing back Gandhi for a hypothetical season 4 if they're gonna be pansies and recast him. He had one of the best vocal performances in the OG series.
One of the only jokes I liked was the pear-shaped globe in Topher's room, since the real Columbus believed the earth was pear shaped.
I'm just glad most people agree that Topher Bus is the best new character at the very least
One thing I feel like I’ve learned over the years of reboots and continuations is that they almost never actually capture what made the original thing good. Not even just because of studio meddling but also because as time marches fourth, things change. The writer’s are probably not who they were 10-20 years ago. Some jokes which used to be pushing boundaries are a dime a dozen now and some jokes which used to be standard can’t be used in professional environments or put in shows anymore.
I used to want a reboot of Green lantern: the animated series because I liked the characters, writing and it made me care for a side of the dc universe I barely thought of before but now I feel like it would face many the same dilemmas as other reboots like young justice or this. It’s also made me appreciate the original run more.
genuinely good take.
(I definitely think that *some* reboots are just corporate cash cows with no soul, but I completely agree that a lot of the time it's just because people change)
What about Green Lantern and Young Justice?
@@dylansharp8471 huh?
India be like: “Ghandi being racist irl, let’s just ignore that”
“Ghandi being a wacky crude character in a cartoon, HOW DARE YOU”
It bothers me how many people excuse JFK's behavior and attribute it all to Abe. People argue "character growth," but clone high was mocking shows for doing stuff like this.
I’m willing to give the season some time to find its edge. Sometimes the first couple episodes of reboots/revivals feel off due to the large adjustment in character dynamics and such. But your points are completely valid, something does feel off with it atm.
Edit 6-26-23 So I just watched the final 4 eps of the season, I think it found its edge in these esp. I was genuinely laughing throughout em, so hopefully they make another season where Lord and Miller are more involved, bc it really felt like they put their charm in the last half.
There seems to be a split growing on the opinions of this season, group A being the people who’ve known about Clone High for years or even decades and are disappointed with the direction of the series and group B the younger crowd who found out about the show in 2020 who misunderstand what made the original so good
Yep. I think the show 100% tries to cater to the second part that discovered Clone High in 2020 and just focused on the Drama part. They dropped the ball.
makes a show about high school in 2020
ah yes the younger crowd doesn’t understand life in high school and is the one unable to find the modernized humour that a person in high school would now find relatable, it’s not me that’s now an old f*ck
I watched the first episode. The one thing that really kinda annoys me is the fact they drag out the gore jokes they had in the First season. They legit have blood scenes like 7-8 times in the first episode. Also the new principal is lame and uninteresting :|
New characters literally looks like a 3 year old ate a pack of crayola and then threw up on a rat, a bowling pin, and a lamp. Except topher
They are so fucking ugly
15:00 they massacred the backround characters. These just look like highschool kids. There is no effort to make them even look like historical figures. Which doesn't help the fact that the show basically pretends it's blending 2 classes by adding 4 characters. Maybe there could have been more new characters and a distinct culture between the two different decades of classes. But instead it's 4 new students and all the old ones just immediately assimilate. Any time for character interactions is wasted by shipping characters with no build up to them falling in love.
Yeah... It's kinda expected when that first episode was so bad. But everyone told me "uh, well pilot's aren't always very good and it's just to introduce you to the new setting! And the writers of Spiderverse and the Lego Movie couldn't go wrong!
And here we are
Pilots kinda need to be at least alright so that people want to watch. Yeah, compared to other episodes they might not be great, but those other episodes only exist because the pilot was alright
tbf episode 2 was an improvement
I've never seen Clone High beyond small references, but that "answer the question!" clip killed me. I've gotta watch the OG clone high show now
Harriet Tubman looks like a self insert
The one thing I don’t really understand about the reboot is why they chose Harriet Tubman for that character specifically. She appeared in the first season, even if as just a background character and in a deleted scene, and the new design doesn’t really look like any specific historical figure. She could’ve been literally any other significant black woman in history and nothing would have changed.
The wolverine meme at the start fits so well. EVERYONE misses clone Gandhi. He needs to return
ive now understand why color pallets are important now.
Honestly the new season isn't bad (other than the character designs). I just feel like they made a real mistake with Harriet and Frida could literally be one character and nothing would be different. They're basically the exact same except Harriet has a better personality and Frida is more popular.
Literally just get rid of Frida and use Harriet and THEN use the now opened character slot to give someone to Cleo who literally has ZERO chemistry with anyone except Joan... Which is clearly a hate based relationship.
Confucius is a bit too dumb and a clear attempt at recreating Gandhi with him being a dumb sidekick to JFK and Abe. But other than that Topher is GREAT and Harriet is pretty fun to watch.
JFK is a less dickish but still funny, Joan is still just as emotional and dumb as before and Abe is completely self centred and still and outcast.
If they give Cleo some time, seperate Harriet and Frida as characters and make Confucius... Well... Less annoying. They'll be great
I don't know I thought Confucius was alright, the bit where he almost gave good advice but then fumbled it was funny, they could make that a running gag. I like his character overall, it's funny and ironic that his clone of all people became this terminally online porn addicted gen z hypebeast kid. And I liked the fact he consoled jfk and shit, that was wholesome.
Basically all they need to do is make the new characters have actual funny personalities, that separate themselves from other generic characters. I think it would be smart to remove the other new characters besides Christopher Columbus, and add back Ghandi next season. I would also suggest going back to the constant jokes and references that the original had, but make them common. The characters designs don’t really need a change except for Confucius and Harriet Tubman. And keep it more laid back on the blood.
Harriet is from another show, feels like she’s from a kids show, and isn’t remotely funny.
I remember liking Abe the most because he was as clueless in the love department as I was as a teen, and now he's some sort of pseudo-villain, which makes my teen self also a pseudo-villain.
Don't you love when you turn into a villain because you're clueless and a bit insecure? Now excuse me while I create my villain origin story.
Instead of another legendary historical figure, we get Mexican lady with a mustache.
No, because I really don’t get how adult shows are fixed on just hating on gen-Z like?? I get it gen-Z are absolutely fucked, but let’s be real, having multiple jokes about hating modern day society is just so annoying 😭
I hold out hope that it will get much better as it goes on. I am happy in a way we atleast got something new that is Clone High related, and it seems like the basic framework is there for something great. but they NEED to bring back Gandhi, him being gone made me realize that when people talk about revival missing 'charm', Gandhi IS the missing charm.
Seeing the videos Christopher Colombus is like the only design that feels ok about all those new designs
Fuck it, where's Clone High Hitler?? THINK of the jokes
Why did they make Harriet Tubman a main character? They can’t poke fun at her character without Twitter causing a Third World War.