Some viewers were not happy with the scale of some of the bench graph. So here is the graphs updated with percentage, I hope it helps. TombRaider -X11 - FPS MIN cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/318036262877659147/1222736922703823009/TombRaider-X11-FPSMIN-Percent-BIG.png?ex=66174d7f&is=6604d87f&hm=a83a5078752060909c84eb5b0df64d665647e8ff3656d30c6d62cde0d7a277c7& TombRaider -X11 - FPS AVG cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/318036262877659147/1222736979620528188/TombRaider-X11-FPSAVG-Percent-BIG.png?ex=66174d8d&is=6604d88d&hm=a4608b0c6f43739209e0d748ab36f05eab6d19037b2ab601b827a989d4565141&
Your scale is misleading because it does not start at 0. Some differences seems huge when they are not. Please give us percentages instead, or always start the scale at 0.
Been wondering lately what kind of performance I was leaving on the table by using Cinnamon....looks like not a lot which is pretty cool cos I quite like Cinnamon :) Thanks for the video! Hope 555 drivers come out soon!
8:10 So the best way to represent this data is to make a yellow coloum for each desktop and have it overlay on top instead of drawing a line. This works for Min FPS and 99% Percentiles which all can sit on top of the average nicely.
Glad to still using Cinnamon - i mean.. average FPS is not the highest, but the minimal one is so kinda the most smooth experience (tho woudl be nice to see frametimes too)
just as a FYI X11 won't be getting any updates, it's slowly being abandoned by some distros even (for good reasons) and every major DE is moving to wayland
I would not say it's down to the desktop enviroment but the distro. I think a better test would be. You choose three or four distro's but use the same desktop enviroment on all. A lot of work yes but would be intersting for the viewer. And share your experiance of insting and setting up.
Small note, if you want max performance in Hyprland or KDE wayland, make sure you have tearing enabled. Ensures you are running truly max fps instead of capping it to the monitor refreshrate.
Hey A1RM4X can you also make a distro video on Clear Linux, saw a lot of Phoronix Benchmark where it outperforms all major distro Ubuntu,Fedora,Arch and CachyOs too
Depends on what you play, and why. Gnome has terrible latency compared to literally all the other desktops, and does, in fact, feel insufferable in any competitive shooter. If that's not the type of games you play, then yeah, why care.
Why the hell did GNOME perform like that? I'm on a 6900XT and KDE Plasma 5, 6, GNOME 45 all of them both on X11 and Wayland, perform about the same, there's a difference of 1 to 2FPS. I tried Fedora, Nobara and Solus.
Moved to i3 after the stream! i3 really feels different despite having similar in Apex Legends. Maybe next video you can compare different kernel schedulers like BORE vs EEVDF vs Cachy default? Great videos as always 🔥🔥🔥
Hey! I would love to see a new test on Wayland now that Nvidia 555 drivers are out and explicit sync is supported. And see if there's any difference. Also seeing if gnome 46 works now with Wayland
Excellente vidéo . Ton accent est juste parfait , j'ai n'ai pas besoin d'activé les sous-titres . Pour les vieilles machines , je me demande si hyperland ou sway ,ne serait pas mieux pour les performance brutes .
I did some research online and it appears that updates for explicit sync in Nvidia drivers is due some time around May? I didn't previously know much about it before you mentioned it but now a lot of my problems in Plamsa 6 Wayland make a lot of sense. Thanks for your work and the video!
Awesome video. Makes me glad I'm on KDE6 even though the bugs in it are driving me insane. Wayland is the biggest mistake Linux has ever made. It's not too late to make X12...
Great video! Do you use multiple screens with different refresh rates? Because x11 does not work for my setup, I have a second monitor with slower hz and it ruins everything
Thanks! Yeah multi screens with X11 can be source of issues. All my screens are at 240Hz right now, including my capture card. Wayland will solve those issues, we just have to be patient...
Cette vidéo me rassure sur mon choix d'utiliser KDE Plasma 6 ^^ Sinon, j'ai cherché dans tes vidéos, mais j'ai pas trouvé si tu avait déjà parlé de ChimeraOS. Si ce n'est pas le cas, qu'est-ce que tu pense de cette distro ? Et qu'est-ce qu'elle vaut comparée à CachyOS ?
ChimeraOS est une distro immuable basée sur Arch il me semble. Le soucis c'est que je ne peux pas la tester parcequ'il faut un GPU AMD. Si je devais partir sur ce genre de distro (immuable optimisée gaming / console), je partirai plus sur Bazzite, testée ici: ruclips.net/user/liveXhbNxnjdcXQ
I did not really try to get HDR working right now because I am still using X11 on a daily basis. I will patiently wait for the drivers to be Wayland ready before trying to solve those issues.
There is 2 different scales for each Y axis, so you need to refer to the Y axe on the right to read the data properly, kind of confusing when you are not used to this type of graph. I will make it simpler next time.
@@A1RM4X I see, yeah, that's a really confusing way to represent data in this case. Someone could even say that it's malicious to not start the graph at 0.
@@A1RM4X It's often used to deceive and make a perception of a huge difference where is not much happens. There seems to be a consensus among data visualization experts that a *bar* chart has to always start from zero. I've posted a reply with links previously, but it disappeared, so I'm retyping the comment without them, just google "bar charts axis from zero" and there are a lot of articles about that and examples of malicious bar charts with "numbers on them".
Well the intend was not malicious. There is 2 Y axis with 2 different scales for increasing the readability, nothing else. If you perceived it as malicious, that is on you.
Ya, Gnome did well with wayland but not x11.... but the future is wayland.... but for now he says you get -10% fps compared to X11; hope this improves in the future.
Some viewers were not happy with the scale of some of the bench graph. So here is the graphs updated with percentage, I hope it helps.
TombRaider -X11 - FPS MIN cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/318036262877659147/1222736922703823009/TombRaider-X11-FPSMIN-Percent-BIG.png?ex=66174d7f&is=6604d87f&hm=a83a5078752060909c84eb5b0df64d665647e8ff3656d30c6d62cde0d7a277c7&
TombRaider -X11 - FPS AVG cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/318036262877659147/1222736979620528188/TombRaider-X11-FPSAVG-Percent-BIG.png?ex=66174d8d&is=6604d88d&hm=a4608b0c6f43739209e0d748ab36f05eab6d19037b2ab601b827a989d4565141&
When COSMIC gets released, it will be interesting to check the performance also.
Your scale is misleading because it does not start at 0. Some differences seems huge when they are not. Please give us percentages instead, or always start the scale at 0.
what scale ?
@@Hepycckuu the average graph starts in 270. So if you see the graph seems that from 280 to 270 is 30% less, but in reality it is around 3.5%.
@@rauljosechaves3291 agreed.
This is such a great video. Thank you so much for putting the time into it!
Been wondering lately what kind of performance I was leaving on the table by using Cinnamon....looks like not a lot which is pretty cool cos I quite like Cinnamon :) Thanks for the video! Hope 555 drivers come out soon!
8:10 So the best way to represent this data is to make a yellow coloum for each desktop and have it overlay on top instead of drawing a line. This works for Min FPS and 99% Percentiles which all can sit on top of the average nicely.
Glad to still using Cinnamon - i mean.. average FPS is not the highest, but the minimal one is so kinda the most smooth experience (tho woudl be nice to see frametimes too)
I’ve been struggling with crazy screen tearing/stutter in KDE Plasma all week, switched to Cinnamon, problems gone instantly. So happy.
just be warned cinnamon has the highest latency
just as a FYI X11 won't be getting any updates, it's slowly being abandoned by some distros even (for good reasons) and every major DE is moving to wayland
I would not say it's down to the desktop enviroment but the distro. I think a better test would be. You choose three or four distro's but use the same desktop enviroment on all. A lot of work yes but would be intersting for the viewer. And share your experiance of insting and setting up.
using plasma 6 here myself and shes running really nice so far ...with cachyos efd
Small note, if you want max performance in Hyprland or KDE wayland, make sure you have tearing enabled.
Ensures you are running truly max fps instead of capping it to the monitor refreshrate.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to enable variable refresh rate and disable frame sync? I suppose maybe not for pure benchmarking.
Hey A1RM4X can you also make a distro video on Clear Linux, saw a lot of Phoronix Benchmark where it outperforms all major distro Ubuntu,Fedora,Arch and CachyOs too
Hey! It is in my plans, I just can´t tell exactly when... Stay tuned.
Better wayland support for nvidia is coming around May in a beta driver which is exciting!
I wouldn't switch to anything different than Gnome even if the gaming experience was insufferable (It isn't)
Depends on what you play, and why. Gnome has terrible latency compared to literally all the other desktops, and does, in fact, feel insufferable in any competitive shooter. If that's not the type of games you play, then yeah, why care.
Why the hell did GNOME perform like that? I'm on a 6900XT and KDE Plasma 5, 6, GNOME 45 all of them both on X11 and Wayland, perform about the same, there's a difference of 1 to 2FPS. I tried Fedora, Nobara and Solus.
Moved to i3 after the stream! i3 really feels different despite having similar in Apex Legends. Maybe next video you can compare different kernel schedulers like BORE vs EEVDF vs Cachy default? Great videos as always 🔥🔥🔥
thanks this really help
Hey! I would love to see a new test on Wayland now that Nvidia 555 drivers are out and explicit sync is supported. And see if there's any difference. Also seeing if gnome 46 works now with Wayland
great video.
thanks airmax (my second favorite french canadian, because kephren *insists* he is my favorite 😆)
Second is better than none, thanks for watching dude.
@@A1RM4X, 😆👍
Excellente vidéo . Ton accent est juste parfait , j'ai n'ai pas besoin d'activé les sous-titres . Pour les vieilles machines , je me demande si hyperland ou sway ,ne serait pas mieux pour les performance brutes .
Pour les vieilles machines, je conseillerai plutot I3, surtout si vieille carte Nvidia...
pleasantly surprised to see xfce performing so well
I did some research online and it appears that updates for explicit sync in Nvidia drivers is due some time around May? I didn't previously know much about it before you mentioned it but now a lot of my problems in Plamsa 6 Wayland make a lot of sense. Thanks for your work and the video!
Thx for this video.I had the same problem with perfomance in gnome de.Maybe its something wrong with nvidia drivers
I tested gnome vs kde my self and saw zero difference in performance for gaming or anything else
Interesting. I always had some differences switching from one to another (with same version of key packages like drivers, kernel, etc...)
Awesome video. Makes me glad I'm on KDE6 even though the bugs in it are driving me insane.
Wayland is the biggest mistake Linux has ever made. It's not too late to make X12...
Excellent benchmarks with right distro and right games. Which driver version did you use?
Thanks! I was using the Nvidia 550.67.
i3 and Hyprland are not the DEs but the window manager.
True.
what about lxqt and lxde ?
Can you please try Cutefish DE? I really like it's looks... It'd be better if it's CachyOS with Cutefish DE...
Great video! Do you use multiple screens with different refresh rates? Because x11 does not work for my setup, I have a second monitor with slower hz and it ruins everything
Thanks! Yeah multi screens with X11 can be source of issues. All my screens are at 240Hz right now, including my capture card. Wayland will solve those issues, we just have to be patient...
Cette vidéo me rassure sur mon choix d'utiliser KDE Plasma 6 ^^
Sinon, j'ai cherché dans tes vidéos, mais j'ai pas trouvé si tu avait déjà parlé de ChimeraOS. Si ce n'est pas le cas, qu'est-ce que tu pense de cette distro ? Et qu'est-ce qu'elle vaut comparée à CachyOS ?
ChimeraOS est une distro immuable basée sur Arch il me semble. Le soucis c'est que je ne peux pas la tester parcequ'il faut un GPU AMD. Si je devais partir sur ce genre de distro (immuable optimisée gaming / console), je partirai plus sur Bazzite, testée ici: ruclips.net/user/liveXhbNxnjdcXQ
@@A1RM4X Ah ok, je savais pas qu'il fallait un GPU AMD ^^'
D'acc, merci pour ta réponse :)
Best is a clean Ghost Spectre W11!
When it comes to HDR in KDE are you able to get the same HDR in windows ? I am having issues to get nice hdr on KDE..
I did not really try to get HDR working right now because I am still using X11 on a daily basis. I will patiently wait for the drivers to be Wayland ready before trying to solve those issues.
How is Wayland for AMD GPUs?
It should be alright. Nvidia users will have full compatibility with Wayland in the coming months.
Something should be wrong at 7:35, min fps can't be bigger than avg fps (min some percentile or just straight min doesn't matter, min
There is 2 different scales for each Y axis, so you need to refer to the Y axe on the right to read the data properly, kind of confusing when you are not used to this type of graph. I will make it simpler next time.
@@A1RM4X I see, yeah, that's a really confusing way to represent data in this case. Someone could even say that it's malicious to not start the graph at 0.
@@donotneedahandle malicious for what purpose? Numbers are still there...
@@A1RM4X It's often used to deceive and make a perception of a huge difference where is not much happens. There seems to be a consensus among data visualization experts that a *bar* chart has to always start from zero. I've posted a reply with links previously, but it disappeared, so I'm retyping the comment without them, just google "bar charts axis from zero" and there are a lot of articles about that and examples of malicious bar charts with "numbers on them".
Well the intend was not malicious. There is 2 Y axis with 2 different scales for increasing the readability, nothing else. If you perceived it as malicious, that is on you.
"Tom Rider"
gnome come in the first place
Ya, Gnome did well with wayland but not x11.... but the future is wayland.... but for now he says you get -10% fps compared to X11; hope this improves in the future.
Not for me, i don't care about nvidia.