The Desktop Environment Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- What is the best Desktop in Linux? Let's look at the options!
Timestamps:
00:00 Overview
00:47 Cinnamon
01:33 Deepin
02:00 Pantheon (Elementary OS)
02:45 LXDE
03:30 Budgie (Solus)
03:50 GNOME
05:09 KDE
05:55 MATE
06:18 Unity
06:53 XFCE
07:30 Nothing is the best? .
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Tiling in Gnome is the best. Specifically - popOS gnome. Its tweaked and works flawless. I tried it on ubuntu - it sucked. Gnome definitely is not the best from other perspectives, but, for productivity, popOS tiling does incredible job making windows management really great.
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I will drink to that!
Aaand Chris, please… You - buddy - grab a glass as well, for even LXDE does better job than any Windows or OSX I've tried XD
But i agree with heavy heart on principalities in assigning to GOAT tier; waiting for that KDE 6 to mature into lightweight, or LXQT to reach customizability of KDE 5.27 :)
Thank you I definitely needed to hear this...way too much coffee lately
If KDE team spends a few rounds just fixing all the bugs and crap instead of shoving more features just for the sake of it, I believe it would beat everything else by far.
But that's not "cool". Don't fix what's broken, ignore it and push 'pretty'. "Somebody else" will fix the real issues.....yeah, right.
I agree with this. Plasma is gorgeous and all the features and options are pretty nice, but it's always felt pretty buggy and messy when I've used it. KDE is very capable of taking a break from adding features for a while to just focus on cleaning it up and making it nicer to use for normal people.
Can't wait for WM tierlist and another tierlist series from Mister Titus, I really like the way he explains why even he ranked it based on his personal experience
It's just his personal opinion and carries no real weight. I don't like pizza, but you declare pizza the GOAT of foods. See what I mean? I have seen others make tier lists with varying opinions. It's individual, which is the entire point. Not that you do, but don't let others decide for you, including this guy.
I would love to see a WM list as well
Would have to have enough tierlist to have a tierlist of tierlists
bspwm on top lol
Me too, despite using BSPWM, i don´t find any difference with i3, dwm or even xmonad
for Gnome, there is an extension manager app that can be used for extension sesrch and installation. it doesn't have to be done through a web browser.
I agree, and several extensions can be downloaded directly through the terminal.
What's the name of this app?
@@kazsm9666 it's called "Extension manager". you can find it as a flatpak.
"Extensions Manager".
I mean this as respectfully as possible, but Gnome extensions are just cope. Extensions are mostly used to add what I consider to be basic functionality, and they often break on a new Gnome version
I don't think XFCE receives even remotely the amount of love it deserves. It does have its limitations and quirks. However, if you want a DE you can dress up nicely but you want it to stay out of the way of your workflow, then XFCE is the DE for you. Definitely my top tier DE.
I used XFCE for years; I stopped using it when I got a 4k monitor because it handled HDPI awfully back then. I don't know how it is now but it was very broken a few years ago.
@@ruadeil_zabelin I don't have a 4K monitor so unfortunately I can not tell you it's gotten better.
@@ruadeil_zabelin it's a lot better i use it currently on a two seperate 4k monitors dual booting it with linux mint and endeavourOS kde and after a bit of setup (mainly cause of two monitors) xfce works fine
XFCE it's intended to be the old hardware choice, it's pretty good too me.
@@raxsgamer It's a great DE for old hardware, it consumes less resources and gives life to otherwise retired machines.
I'm a brand new linux user fresh out of the water and I went with mint's XFCE right out of the gate. I've been messing around with different windows-like distros on virtual machines for about a month and mint XFCE just jived with me the best out of all of them. I like that it's so lightweight and still very familiar to a windows slave- I mean _user_ like myself, and it's still highly customizable so I can finally escape the super flat UI pandemic that's been wreaking havoc on the tech industry for years now without using an ancient OS with more security holes than a block of swiss cheese.
Yes and it can look very good with some nice dark theme and different icons
I did not realize my comment was _that_ long.
@@WASTOIDSUPREME Lol. Im so lazy, i read your sub comment but not your main comment
@@rushikeshmalave8063 Lol I'm guilty of doing that all the time
its KDE Plasma for me.
KDE has come a looooong way. so if the trend continues this could be the one.
KDE 3.x has been resurrected as Trinity Desktop Environment, and is used by Q4OS as their lightweight desktop. I played around with it some, but didn't feel like chasing down all the apps I want on a system. But I love the old-style icons and the system speed even on weaker machines.
I love Mint you recommended for me. I am not doing a lot of stuff and it is really smooth. + I do not need to do a "lot" line commands. Makes me happy. For me the best OS is the one I do not have to think about. OS needs to be in background and let me do everything I need to with ease.
it is, but no wayland support and multiple workspace management is sub par compared to gnome
@@kurtm.7494 What do you testing now?
@@herald1953wayland is shit and buggy though. It’s still years away from being suitable for a machine you cannot do without.
@@jaopolonio5726I've been enjoying the kde over gnome . Feels more windows and everything in one nice spot
@@kurtm.7494 People like it because it's simple, has an actually sane customisation out of the box (looking at you GNOME), it's pretty similar to Windows in terms of user experience and it's very stable.
I usually just stick with KDE because I've used it so long that I know where every little tweak and setting is. I like trying out different ones but everytime I do, I can't figure out how to do something that I already know how to do in KDE and end up going right back to it.
KDE is my favorite as well, particularly for further customizing custom-built computers. The broad spectrum of customization allows me to replicate the desktop experience of another OS like Windows or macOS - and if something goes wrong during that extensive customization, there’s always the option of reverting it all back to the Breeze theme and trying a different approach.
I've always liked Gnome. I even paid for Ximian Desktop! I really like Gnome 40 but I have to agree with you, the developers are very stubborn and having to add features, which are often basic like desktop icons through extensions, realy sucks!
Ximian + gnome 2 were completely different beast! I liked (and used) those too, today Mate and XFCE are somewhat more similar to Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 is nothing like it.
For a laptop, raw GNOME is great if you just succumb to the workflow and don't try to turn it into a traditional floating window DE.
When it comes to the laptop workflow, nothing compares to Gnome - the trackpad gestures are quite simply unbeatable. It's nowhere near as nice as KDE when it comes to desktop use though sadly.
@@miguelguthridgeye, I use Gnome on my laptop: best experience I've ever had on that thing. Sadly you're kinda forced to install extentions to enable even basic functionalities like background apps. It's definitely great on a laptop and I'd probably even use it on desktop, but it sucks that so many functionalities are walled behind external extentions.
I almost use my laptop as desktop replacement.. i don't bring lap anywhere...
Gnome is like MacOS. The developers assume they know more than you about what you want. Not a fan.
100%. Only extension I run with it is Pop_OS!'s tiling shell, and those on a laptop are amazing for me
For like half the video I was like: where's gnome??? Then you moved it out of the black background 😅
I absolutely love modern Gnome, both the DE and the apps. For me, personally, it is the best UI experience I had on any OS ever. I don't like having tons of options available, my mind can't handle visual clutter, and I like having one very direct path to doing stuff.
My problem with most modern apps is that the UI is usually cluttered and full of stuff I don't use, and somehow gnome makes it look cleaner and simpler.
Like there's a lot of gnome apps that do one single thing, and nothing else. That's perfect to me.
Can’t agree more here. I do most of my everything in terminal when possible ... I like to maintain as a simple of a toolset as I possibly can ...
Yeah. I respect Titus's more customization-based viewpoint but GNOME is by FAR the best default UI I've ever seen. It's faster, smoother, more complete, and more simple/cohesive than Windows, Mac, Chrome, or any other Unix-like DE I've used.
@@MarianeSimas-lo6hn I see where you're coming from but I love the big buttons. Especially on a touchpad it helps with wrist comfort and preventing strain because you're not trying to click a tiny button restricted to the bottom of the screen. On keyboard/mouse setups I really don't mind, it's not like I'm trying to do anything else while I launch an application so its fine for it to take the whole screen. It just makes things easier to see.
Pretty accurate. KDE is almost GOAT. KDE has come a long way so maybe GOAT is in the future. GNOME has also come along way but by moving down the tier list. :)
Budgie is good too and I almost migrated to it when Unity was EOL but I'm happy I went with KDE instead.
I love XFCE. Even though people think it's ugly, if you're just a normal user like me, have a few programs on it and needs the basics covered, stable and lightweight it's very good :)
I also like gnome as well but it confuses me to do basic stuff every now and then and I hate friction when it doesn't give me benefits :(
My only gripe with XFCE is that it's not gonna have wayland support anytime soon, as Xorg is getting deprecated soon.
Gnome is great for laptops, especially 2n1’s plus the pop shell has great tiling
Exactly, would never use it on my desktop, but GNOME x Wayland on my work laptop is such a blessing.
It’s super buggy when i tried to install it on linux mint cinamon
Does anyone know the reason or what should i do?
@@Belomoh6it's cause pop shell is abandonware. Pop is focusing on cosmic DE at this point
Forget about everything else and do this.
Pick Debian or Arch.
Use Gnome or KDE if you want a full DE. (XFCE is okay too)
Use i3 or sway if you want a window manager.
Don't waste your time with all the other stuff.
Can't really disagree.
Fedora/Rhel could be a consideration (even in the current climate) and NixOS as a more "exotic" distro.
But when it come to GUIs... its way better to go with the "popular" ones.
I mostly agree - though I'd say Fedora with GNOME for less technically capable users. Otherwise, Debian with GNOME unless they have a good reason to use a different DE or know what they're doing and want to use Arch.
I'm switching to Linux from MacOS once I get my Framework laptop in a few months. I use Amethyst on my mac so I'm a little tempted to go straight into a window manager on Linux- would love to see a window manager tier list!
KDE was pretty, but indeed it felt unstable
Man I'd love a wm tier list from you. You explain your experiences and knowledge on this software pretty well. If you ever do it I hope you include minimal hyprland compositors like sway and Hyprland. Here's to hoping!
Personally, Cinnamon is now average for me. The lack of Wayland support is really dragging down the distro. How much longer will Cinnamon users have to wait!?
Cosmic DE will probably come out before cinnamon gets a wayland edition lol
That and the Mint bugs like allowing background apps to repeatedly grab focus, 'always on top' doesn't work and the mouse pointer won't stay set across applications.
@@no_name4796 And that's a huge problem in 2023.
Wayland is buggy, slow and stuttery for me anyway
@@kennybust Nvidia GPU? Which one?
I switched to Linux, Debian, back in 2007 from Win Vista but in early 2010 I fully switched to Mac OSX, been using it from 2008 when I bought MBP for the first time. I have been considering switching from Mac Studio to custom pc with a linux distro… Debian with deepin? Or what would you guys recommend?
For me, GNOME is The Goat. Plus, you don't have to install extensions through the browser anymore, and can use the Extension Manager flatpak.
agree
@heinz5034 I think the gnome layout is better then the windows layout even if it feels like a tablet
what I was going to say!
Yeah I think Chris did not use Gnome in a long time, that's why.
KDE the best
I love these actually useful tier lists.
Most of the time people make these things for topics and it's just, like, their opinion, man.
Because you include new user perspective, what you prefer using and what has good long term use it IS actually helpful to someone jumping in and confronting a flood of options and opinions.
Hope to see window mangers at some point. I'm poking at i3 currently.
What's your take on "Dolphin" as a WM?
The newer GNOME 43+ releases have been really good to me personally, I only use a couple if extensions (AppIndicator & Vitals) but yeah I know what you mean when it comes to that.
I'd recommend you give it another shot, the simplicity and emphasis on workspaces is really slick. I'm able to multitask really well with it, even on a laptop
sorry if I'm making a mistake but chris put Gnome DE to dogwater category just because you can install extensions with your web browser?
if thats the case , there is also an app that has the browse function built in the app so you dont have to switch between the app and your browser
A tierlist about desktop environments while using a window manager, sounds about right :P
I'd love to see a tierlist for wms honestly, that'd be pretty fun.
How can I install KDE on Linux Mint LMDE 5? Does it work?
12 shades of grey. Why are they all grey? I really miss Aero Glass, it had contours, and depth, and buttons felt like buttons and UI elements would glow, so beautiful.
Luckily I do have a soft spot for LXDE/LXQt, because it looks so retro - like Windows 2000. :P
KDE Plasma can do that.
Do you have any ideas on how to make my laptop (mx 13 from 2016ish) to make the built in wifi chipset work without having to use the non free drivers..?
Gnome is also "Dogwater" because you HAVE to install extensions to get an "acceptable" desktop experience. More of the functionality from the "required" Gnome extensions belong in the standard experience.
I disagree personally, I use plain GNOME and I don't think I personally know anyone who wouldn't be completely fine with it. I know people like yourself exist and I respect that - GNOME definitely isn't good for you as you said. But for the vast majority of users, it's a very smooth, complete, cohesive experience.
KDE Plasma is my favorite DE, but I recently set up a home server on a very slow old Dell laptop with Alpine and decide to give SWAY WM a try. Having never used a window manager before, it definitely took a little time digging into config files and such, but I see why a lot of people prefer the aproach of building up a system that way; adding your bar and launcher of choice and adding only the utilities you want as opposed to being stuck with / cleaning up all the default tools that come along with a desktop environment. So far so good 👍🏻
Mate is a really good desktop. My personal favorite to add a plank dock to and modernize it with a couple of Pling themes like I always do.
Hey so I want to use Linux because of new Windows privacy policy, so I did try Mint it was great I used it for couple of days but I always felt an emptyness like I kept feelings like I'm Missing out on things I have been using Windows since XP, So you recommend me a distro that I could use for my day to day uses.
I like gnome, the deepin is kinda borked on Arch, fedora with Gnome is nice but I agree it needs more polish. Maybe when the new version of plasma comes out or the cosmic from popos gets released, you can revisit them and let us know 😊
Actually broken. The prompt to put in a password is blurred out for some reason. Thank god I tried it in a VM first. At first I thought it was Debian not liking it, but on the Arch install it was also the same haha. Same for Budgie and Pantheon. They're pretty specific and unless you do a bunch of extra work to make it work like in their respective distros, is just not worth the hassle.
What disgrace to put Gnome lower then KDE, Windows bugs lover some sort. Gnome technically is best of all of rest presented desktop environments.
I think it depends mostly on whether you prefer the Win 7 look (Cinnamon, KDE, Budgie, Mate), or the Mac look (Deepin, Elementary), or the old-school Linux look (Gnome, Unity, XFCE).
Personally, I'd have made the video in 3 separate sections and rate Win7-like desktops, Mac-like desktops, and "other" desktops.
I'm currently running XFCE and I love it, but some things are just a teeny tiny bit visually inconsistent and/or buggy. Hoping to see a WM tier list soon.
For the past couple years using linux I've always used xfce. However I'm moving more towards just having a window manager. As is with my xfce installs, I mainly only use keybinds. I tried KDE, thought I would like it but it does some things funky. Mainly the keybinds interface was strange with it. There was also a bug I encountered with it where moving window to the left bind would actually move it to the right side of the screen.
Could you suggest a desktop env that doesn't attempt to replicate the Windows and macOS interfaces, and is especially lightweight?
Hi sir can i install fedora using ext4 without problems ??
I wonder where Enlightenment would fall in this list - if not at the bottom in the 'haven't tried' bucket? I have always been intrigued by this Windows Manager/Compositor/Minimal Desktop. It can be considered a full DE when paired with either Gnome or KDE apps. The videos I've watched about it lately have shown how feature rich it is when it comes to built-in customization. Maybe it will come up if/when Chris does a WM comparison.
I installed Cinnamon with Debian 12, and it is rock solid and stable. It provides everything I need. In the past I did lots of distro hopping, but I am over that. I just got tired of breaking things and the frustration of having to reboot or reinstall stuff. What I want now is something that just works and that I don't have to be updating every day. Debian 12 with Cinnamon gives me that.
Why would you install gnome extensions via the browser, when you have an awesome extension manager?
I would still put KDE above the other 3 for the reason that xfce and cinnamon do not have Wayland support, and budgie is undeceive on what they want to do
that is the reason why I like XFCE is because it doesn't support Wayland.
OTOH, I gave up on KDE a couple of weeks ago because it'd freeze up within a minute of logging in when the only thing I had opened was a web browser with a single tab open. Cinnamon has not done that to me yet.
@@tuckersguitarfiasco not sure what this provides as a plus. Wayland is the future display protocol, and as soon as everyone moves to that, the sooner apps/services etc will get better.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 If it did not worked for you (KDE) it did not. and if Cinnamon works it does. There is no correct or wrong. I had a similar experience with Cinnamon Mint 2-3 month ago actually :D. For the love of mew, I could not understand what was going wrong
@@John7No Yeah, maybe the KDE spin of Fedora was just not a good fit for my setup or something. Kind of a shame, because I liked it until it started freezing up on me. Cinnamon (with Debian or Mint) was consistently great for typical desktop usage, but not great for gaming.
So far Gnome is the only one that seems to be stable and performs well with most of the games I play.
4:37 as of gnome 44, you no longer need the browser to install extensions, as there is now a desktop GUI dedicated to doing so
App tray icons back in Gnome 44 without the need for extension? No? K, 10x, bye and see you at the next release Gnome!
Hyprland(i use it with dotfiles) counts?
If all of these customizable so for example u can make KDE like gnome...so what is the point? I mean I go with lightest and customize it...or installing window manager or file explorer ,etc if it's not breaks.
I was going back and forth with GNOME and xfce for nearly 10 years and finally tried cinnamon on Debian edition which impressed me with polish and intuitiveness.
Gnome does not install extensions through the browser anymore, it uses the extension manager app. (still has the web browser as an option though, I think)
Just installed Debian Bookworm for the first time, with Cinnamon, following your guide (about "installing a proper way"). Battling my way through a multichannel soundcard, successfully so far. Getting ready for my first lamp stack installation. Have a nice day, bless you!
Root login is way more snappier for me though, I wonder why. (Not gonna stick to it, just wonder what do I kill and remove.)
is your user in the video group?
I did a similar install, and I want to like Cinnamon... but it's pretty bad for the games I've been playing. The stuttering I was getting in games with Cinnamon disappeared when I installed Gnome starting using it instead.
I like the look and feel of Cinnamon and KDE, but they just aren't as performant in games (Cinnamon) or as stable (KDE) as Gnome.
@@ordinaryhuman5645i actually have a reverse experience with games, Linux Mint cinnamon has "more" FPS with proton in Risk of Rain 2 (24-30 fps) than any other distro I tried (8-15 fps). Because of this massive avg fps drop, I switched back to windows, unfortunately. There's many other issues also that made me switch.
KDE is god tier, Titus, there's no perfect DE even windows has its flaws (windows 11 I'm looking at you), but dang it, KDE never let me down, yes it crashed once or twice, but that was because of my stupidity and ignorance of editing system files. Out of the box, it's just perfect
Wow I discovered KDE today thats why watching this. I will try it now. I'm a LXDE and xfce person, I hope I don't have any regrets on installing kde on my desktop
@@John14vs6_ if you do it right you'll be good, though if you plan to install kde next to other DEs it was always a bad experience (not with kde, but miximg up DEs in general). I always suggested to everyone to do separate installs for the DEs they like, else they might end up with a messy qt and gtk combo. Since I'm a main KDE user myself, I use openSUSE Tumbleweed, because they natively have superb compatibility and support to one another
@@Automata_Omega wow I was having some issues trying to figure out how to change the brightness for my monitor was about to install xfce here but thank God I did not as you just mentioned it's not a good idea. I managed to download a third-party app and it work did not have do install anything. So wow I must say this is the best DE I have used I feel like I'm in windows or something more futuristic it's out of this world not even Gnome made me feel this way or windows 11. I will keep this DE and I hope I don't experience any more bugs especially when I install pyspark and other programming apps. I'm a Lxde lover by the way. Thanks for replying
GNOME was one of the main reasons why I made switch from Windows to Linux with my laptop. I just love the workflow, look, and feel of it.
same
Same here. I started off with KDE because i really liked all the customizations one could do, but in the end i did not get the work done faster. It took me quite a while to get used to gnome, but now i have the feeling i focus much more on what i actually do rather than using the trillion functionalities of KDE e.g.
I feel like Gnome is really a "love it or hate it" DE. I'm personally in the hate it category because it's just not my cup of tea. Probably the most polished of all the DEs, definitely the most cohesive. It's also the "standard" on Linux, if you can call it that. I'll probably run Cinnamon until X11 becomes a chore.
I agree. I love Gnome, but at the same time I can see why other people hate it. It's different and the team has a vision of how they want it, but without extensions there is almost no customisability, and they aren't afraid to break extensions if it brings them closer to that vision.
I entered the Linux space a year ago and still stuck to Gnome in Ubuntu. Tried KDE but too many things you have to do. I am currently looking at how one can customize Cinammon because the default for me just looks bad. Also want to learn how to install core Debian then add Gnome. Seems many people recommend having the core Debian here.
I can't get system sounds from mint & xfce. I know it can be done but I've never found anything that works on my system. It's a pain. 😃
Essentially what you're saying is that skinning a desktop-environment upon Linux is like asking a fish to climb a tree - correct?
What "swimming pool" might be better for the metaphorical fish? You already mention DWM + Hotkeys + CL - does this fit the bill?
I used to use KDE for years, but Cinnamon has been my go-to for the last three years.
KDE is incredibly polished. All I can say is avoid the temptation to theme it too heavily. You can get to a point where it's next to impossible to go back to stock, and to unbreak what you broke 😅
Stock and unsullied? It's pretty stunning, and can be surprisingly performant, considering the amount of functionality hiding in there.
GNOME 2 is the original goat though. R.i.p that's my homie *pours 40oz of OE 800*
I agree that there is not a perfect DE. I'm glad that there are choices to fit the different things that people like. I currently like how ZorinOS has adapted Gnome.
I'm curious to your wm choices as well. I've been using bspwm for more than 5 years now but eventually I will need to switch to Wayland...
I am using infact using Gnome without any extensions. I just feel comfortable with it. I have tried KDE but it just has too many features for me to wrap my head around. I get lost using that DE more often than not. Gnome is simple and just easy to use. Though I would say a good tier list overall.
I'm still a noob; that means, of course, that I haven't tried but two DEs, GNOME and KDE Plasma. I like how much less complicated it is to customize Plasma, but I'm okay with GNOME. I've got it looking and functioning the way I want it to, and what more does a desktop environment have to do than that?
What about CDE(Common Desktop Environment)?
Hi CTT, when are you and DT going to collaborate with LTT? That way, you can have a LTT/CTT/DT collaboration video
Hehe I'm flying to Canada for LTX today... I'll ask Linus
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@@ChrisTitusTech CLTT Collaboration video is cool
Can you please talk about how to use the distribution without a desktop environment and just windows managers?
but where are the Tiled Window Managers based desktop environments?
Off-topic: do developers still use machine code/assembler?
Using core Debian with KDE and I've been really happy with it. Glad I decided simply go core Deb and use something I've always really liked, which was KDE. Just works and is very customizable. Highly recommend!
Sounds like bliss. Rock solid reliable underlying OS and super customizable DE.
@@patricknelson Yeah, it is. Very stable even on an older Ryzen laptop. Had to mess with C-States, but I found one that worked perfectly without going into full performance mode. Only had one freeze since I did that, but other than that, it's been smooth as silk. Can't go wrong with Debian, in my opinion!
Speaking out of my experience with KDE, it was the most stable, reasonably customizable without getting bricked and you can use it without customizing it and still looks good. It checks all of my requirements for a DE but it's not phenomenal for a specific requirement.
In 2008, I enjoyed using KDE and it worked quite well. In 2023, it is easy to break, even with just a theme change, it is unintuitive and down right confusing. GNome, on the other hand, it pretty straight forward and solid, overall, and typically does not break.
It's all a matter of preference. I tried Gnome and I did like the looks, but I didn't like it overall. It didn't feel intuitive to me. KDE on the other hand, I liked and it was easy to follow. Bear in mind, I recently moved from Windows, so that may be a factor. Gnome is so different from what I was accustomed to, that I didn't feel comfortable with it. KDE and Cinnamon, however, was easy to adjust to for me. I haven't had any trouble with KDE, but I don't go changing much.
I agree with the KDE stuff, they need to clean up and simplify some things. Sometimes options and things are nowhere that you'd expect them to be. I still daily drive it, but i agree with all of that.
I love the desktop environment on any Linux Server.
It has been pretty much the same since I started using UNIX 41 years ago. More size options nowdays than just 80x24, some lucky peole had a 132x24 screen. We invented dark mode!
😆😄 Especially clean look when using vi. No annoying prompts or menus in the way!
Have you tried trinity desktop environment yet?
EndeavourOS customization of XFCE imo is perfect, that is how i want my XFCE to look on all my other XFCE installs. Linux mint XFCE is also amazing. Im interested in hearing what other distros come with a beautiful XFCE install?
Can you make a guide on how to install deepin on generic dabian?
I think more people will use it if it can easily be installed on Debian.
XFCE was my first, it’s got a special place in my heart for that and also because Chicago95 is just so good.
This has come at the absolute best time for me as I try to get a 'work' debian laptop setup.
anyone know a virtual desktop/workspace manager that has a window/gui like "virtual dimension" from windows?
it has this window thing that could be placed on the desktop, would display all the virtual desktops created on a grid like fashion.
those grid elements would display all the program icons that is placed on a virtual desktop, which then could also be used to drag the programs around different virtual desktops..
thanks in advance ^_^
How about POPOS? Ever try it?
I used to like KDE since I come from Windows, however, I have started to love Gnome. There's really not much I do with extensions there except the dash to dock. I don't need any more extensions, and combined with Vanilla OS where everything is containerized, I think it's one of the most secure Linux distros out there, unless you want to dive into Tails or Cubes.
What happened with Open Box (and a similar one, JWM) ? - where anywhere on the screen, you can right click - and there's your menu.
my personal tier list would be:
S: KDE, LXQt
A: Cinnamon, GNOME, XFCE
B: Unity, Mate, Deepin
Haven't tried: all the other ones
I've been super happy with XFCE, even making custom CSS for the panels and setting up a global menu. only annoyance is trying to get QT apps to look congruent with my GTK theme.
The problem with Cinnamon is most of what they call "applets" don't work properly. For example their applet CPU frequency always has bug or freezes the computer and such for years now. They still offering it but they don't fix it.
Gnome extensions have so many choices that you will find several that are working pretty well. Only problem is when you upgrade your system, sometimes you need to wait that those who are responsible for the extensions update their extension to the new gnome.
LXDE is always solid. If you just need a basic DE, go with LXDE.
That being said, Gnome with some extensions like dash to panel, arcmenu and a CPU controller is the GOAT.
(NB I really dislike KDE. I have never tried Budgie, it looks pretty nice.)
LXDE is dead. LXQt is the successor of it.
I really do like KDE Plasma; I don't understand the stability issues...
@@cameronbosch1213 LXDE is not dead. Only Lubuntu has changed from LXDE to LXQt, it doesn't mean it is dead. LXLE still use it since it is built around that DE. Also Debian and Manjaro are offering LXDE as an option for a DE.
I tried KDE, but was often buggy (and it seems many had that same experience) and honestly, it doesn't look solid and even aesthetically it looks a bit cheap. lol
Have you tried desktop environment created by nitrux os ?
I really like tilling window manager because it looks so beautiful and your workflow is so fast and the window manager uses less ressources as a desktop environment. I have been tried DWM and Hyprland and both are really good tilling wms. In the future I will try bspwm on my gentoo system.
years back, last time when I was messing with Linux distros, Linux Mint Cinnamont and Mate, and Manjaro KDE and Xfce were fine, I see no big changes since then...
appreciate you didn't put any among GOAT tier as there really isn't perfection yet
I went from custom Xfce to custom Kubuntu many years ago and now im solidified. I just need to move to Debian with Kde. That is on the want list not need list.
Nicely presented Mr. Titus. I do agree in that I like portions of desktops. I tend to hover in Arch with I3WM these days for the daily driver. My Goat would be Arch if I were placing.
Maybe 2024 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.
Love the customization of KDE... hate the bugs.. specially on nvidia on laptops!!! Made me switch to cinnamon
As a Gnome user, I agree with your criticism. Other than that I love it; I like its emphasis on minimalism without sacrificing functionality. I just wish they would listen to and engage with their userbase more in terms of figuring that formula out.
Really content with the gnome setup I use, not sure if it's extensions and what not but the guy who makes my theme is legit. It's definitely a Mac Clone a little more streamlined since it's on Arch. Have used a lot of Linux UIs nothing has come close imo. Once I get it setup I'm not really going to go around exposing myself to more extensions.
How about Enlightenment, Moksha, Lumina and Trinity?
I revitalized quite a few older PCs. Linux Mint with Xfce is my go to installation for this. It just works out of the box, is easy to use, is snappy, looks nice (when using dark theme) and leaves resources for the apps running on top of it. I have some 10+ years old PCs running on this just fine.
Years ago, I used KDE. I think it ran on top of SUSE . Which was really nice to use, but occupied more resources, as far as I remember. I used Gnome under Ubuntu, but never really liked the look and feel. Xfce does everything I need, but I may give some of the fancier window mangers a try in the future.
Xfce is my favorite. I always try to move away from it but I keep returning. It just stays out of the way.
You don't install extensions from the browser anymore, that's on Gnome 3. On Gnome 40+ series you use the extensions app.
You mean Extension Manager.
@@cameronbosch1213 indeed
Is XFCE lightweight?
Yes
What about Window Mangagers? Please and thank you
Finally a tier list that isn't so controversial.
Gnome being dogwater? That seems backwards to me - it's the only DE I've used so far that consistently works and handles games well, even if it's pretty barebones with features/customization out of the box.
Controversial is gnome ranking lower than deepin,lxde and lxqt
@@ordinaryhuman5645gnome for me ranks as high or higher than kde.
My controversy is Cinnamon being so high on the list when there's no work being done on Wayland support or fixing their applets.
Lol "It installs extensions through the browser", you clearly haven't used GNOME in a VERY LONG time, last I checked that's just one way of installing them. AND there's a flatpak Extension Manager that addresses all the issues you pointed out.
Since I began using Linux in 1996, I started with twm and although it's far from complete, it's damn fast. I was a kde fan up to version4, which was feeling very unresponsive. Then gnome before they lost their mind with a touch gui on the pc, then cinnamon. Now the goat is Cinnamon