J.S. Bach - Cantata BWV 136 "Erforsche mich, Gott, und erfahre mein Herz" (J.S. Bach Foundation)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- From the protestant church Trogen in Switzerland
Choir and Orchestra of the J. S. Bach Foundation
Rudolf Lutz - conductor
Soloists
Markus Forster - alto
Johannes Kaleschke - tenor
Ekkehard Abele - bass
Johann Sebastian Bach - Cantata BWV 136" Erforsche mich, Gott, und erfahre mein Herz" (Examine me, God, and know my heart)
1:04 Chorus: Erforsche mich, Gott, und erfahre mein Herz
4:40 Recitative (tenor): Ach, daß der Fluch, so dort die Erde schlägt
6:01 Aria (alto): Es kömmt ein Tag
10:36 Recitative (bass): Die Himmel selber sind nicht rein
11:40 Aria (tenor, bass): Uns treffen zwar der Sünden Flecken
15:11 Chorale: Dein Blut, der edle Saft
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It was an excellent cantata of Bach. Excellent melody, excellent harmony, excellent chorus, excellent soloists with an excellent conductor. Thanks for uploading.
The baroque horn is wonderful, such a sonorous and regal sound. Wow does it project
Beautifully done on the baroque slide horn. It added a lot of majesty to the playing, which is impeccable.
Fabulous to see the “pull” horn used as this is what Bach called for in this piece. Nice to hear what Bach may have heard.
@billhatcher9303 as far as i know, it was customary at that time for the choir to stand in front of the orchesta. this apparently ensures that the choir can be heard much more clearly and is not ‘swallowed up’ by the orchesta.
@@Kaktus_23 I’m talking about the pull horn.
This piece was not written for the „Corno da Tirarsi“. only for „Corno“ in A. it has No(Zero) notes not otherwise used in Bachs other works for Corno, or Corno da Caccia. (Like the Brandenburg concerto, Christmas oratorium, Quoniam etc.)
Il Corale finale: meno di un minuto? Pelle d'oca: anche in questo sta la grandezza di J.S.Bach. Ottima interpretazione. Oboista eccezionale.
Wonderful, thank you. Looking at the audience it seems there are not many listeners younger than 60 or so. This saddens me a bit. I'm sure if more people listened to Bach the world would be a better place. On the other hand, in orchestras like this there is a fair percentage of (relatively) young people, and that is something to be grateful for.
And why are there empty seats? There should be a line out the door to Basel for this fantastic performance!
Apart from the tirarsi I can tell you why. This recording was outdated when it was published.
In the year 2000 Andrew Parrott published a marvelous book called "The Essential Bach Choir", in this book he is proving that worked at max with 8 singers. Unfortunately most germans and Swiss musicians still don't follow his results which were groundbreaking.
@@tobiasstudtheol He's proved nothing of the sort - it's just an obsession.
Esta Cantata de Bach representa a verdadeira alma da cultura germânica e da beleza de seus corais.
Extraordinario... no cabe duda de que Bach les da clases a los demás compositores de la historia
Bravissimi!!!!!!
Beautiful cantata! Markus Forster is an amazing counter tenor.
Sehr schön gespielt und gesungen!!
Excellent. The alto aria is one of my favourites.
Bach es el padre de la música, sus obras sublimes llegan al alma, saludos desde Chile 🎼🎶
No te cansas de decir siempre lo mismo?
Très belle interprétation de l'ensemble Bachtifting. Devons remercier de pouvoir écouter cette excellente musique de J.S. Bach.
Es ist so wunderschön und wahrlich berührend, was Ihr, die Bachstiftung, der Chor, die Solisten und das Orchester unter Leitung von Ruedi Lutz aus der Musik von J.S. Bach macht. Eure Aufführungen führen mich ohne Umwege in meine Mitte und von dort her weiß ich um den Sinn seiner Töne, Takte und Texte. Von ganzem Herzen Dank dafür Ihr Hartmut Kriese
Grâce à tous ces artistes, Bach une nouvelle fois a touché notre âme. Gruss aus frankreich.
Ah, siempre Bach... no hay palabras... y lo más importante ¡¡¡cuánta juventud!!!
eine beeindruckende Aufführung - vielen Dank!
Smuk solosang, ligeledes koret og en dejlig flydende musik. Lige i øret......
Perfect performance
Fantastic!
Splendeur du répertoire de Bach, magnifique interprétation.
Mil gracias por tanta belleza, claridad y profunda comprensión en la interpretación de esta obra. Gozoso. Gracias.
Muchas felicidades. Saludos desde Córdoba Veracruz México
Articulación perfecta. La mejor interpretación de las Cantata de Bach que he escuchado. Es como tocar el cielo.
Wunderbar!
JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH
{ EISENACH , Saint - Empire 1685~1750 LEIPZIG, Saint - Empire }
« CANTATA BWV 136 ERFORSCHE MICH, GOTT, UND ERFAHRE MEIN HERZ {1723} « ~ { SONDE- MOI, DIEU, ET CONNAIS MON CŒUR }
Quelle merveille cette CANTATA religieuse de ce compositeur de génie JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH, qui vous emporte dans cette époque de la musique Baroque grandiose, interprétation de l’ensemble J.S BACH FOUNDATION exceptionnel bravo à tous merci.
KARL HASSMANN DAS IST DIE GUTTE MUSIK FUR DIE NEUE MANSCHEIT IN DIESEN TAGE WO ALLES IST UNSIECHER Danke fur die Selle mi Gott
Großartig!
Magnifique!
I love it.
Ezequiel you are a person of great musical discernment. This lady is often seen in other U Tube presentations. She is truly wonderful.
The blond german oboist is a known musitian has a perfect tecnik anda solo super interpretation
The blond german oboist is a known musitian has a perfect tecnik anda solo super interpretation
Today, July 18, 2023, is the 300th Anniversary of Bach's first performance of this musical piece.
That Alto aria...sehr schoen!
Thanks again for all these lovely performances. Some interesting contrasts between these performances and the ones I have on CD by Leonhardt, Rilling, etc. I love what you are doing.
Música maravilhosa. Ambiente propício. Lindo.
Vielen Dank! Sehr sehr schön!
Cantata 136 est la première œuvre à utiliser des matériaux plus anciens, empruntés, avec de nouveaux textes. Seule la partie centrale de l’air alto free da-capo (n ° 3) et le choral de clôture final sont définitivement de la musique nouvelle. La cantate 136 est la première du groupe à être parodiée à nouveau sous le nom de messes luthérienne Kyrie-Gloria. Une caractéristique frappante est le choeur d'ouverture à la manière d'un prélude et de la fugue, probablement la forme préférée de Bach pour un choeur d'ouverture de cantate, ainsi que la fantasia chorale ouvrant les cantates chorales du deuxième cycle, mettant davantage l'accent sur la polyphonie. Le style de danse du no. 1, pastorale-giga, Parallèlement, Bach maîtrisait le principe de l’allégorie tonale, donnant au travail une direction, une emphase et une représentation harmoniques, tout en utilisant d’importantes interprétations des textes bibliques et des enseignements théologiques.
books.google.be/books?id=cCs6v1q-uaYC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=BWV+136++parodie&source=bl&ots=2siShlBHTr&sig=ACfU3U3zjuQA0OHAOMkAI7wq9j3rkPM3-Q&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKnsby5v_jAhVQ3aQKHSV9Ac0Q6AEwFnoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=BWV%20136%20%20parodie&f=false
Quelle mettrise.... Merci très I'm le ment.
the bass / tenor duo aria sounds to me like Bach had reutilized the theme of his three part invetion 15 in b minor. Really genious and well interpreted.
Excelente interpretación; notable, tanto como el escaso público y los pocos jóvenes que escucharon en vivo.
Très bel ensemble .
I Believe the oboist is a genius.
Yes endeed, just the oboe it is the more difficult instrument and requiere great skill and personality.
@Maltodextrin yes my friend
@@ezequielmariarecondo8251 you don't exactly know what does it mean to play whatever instrument...do you think it's easy to play trumpet, bassoon or cello? each of them has its own difficulties...
Emiliano turazzi io non intendo disminuire la performance degli altri eggregi musici del Neatherlands Bach solo ho rilevato una esecuzione esemplare dell oboist.
@@ezequielmariarecondo8251 grazie per la gentile risposta nella mia lingua. Io mi stavo semplicemente riferendo alla frasse "I belive the oboe is the most difficult instrument" :) non credo che lo sia...
Wunderbar
Wow
1:04 Chor Erforsche mich Gott ZUGHORN
15:11 Choral Dein Blut, der edle Saft. ZUGHORN
original for CORNO (Horn) NOT Corno da Tirarsi .. „zughorn“ . nothing in the score points to the use of such an instrument.
Las imprecisiones de la trompa barroca son comprensibles, es sumamente difícil hoy día y casi intocable para los instrumentistas de que disponía Bach habitualmente. Las imprecisiones del corno inglés...bueno...supongo que es un instrumento de época lo que toca aquí la intérprete y por eso suena impreciso por momentos... bonita cantata
muchas gracias.
Schade dass kaum eine juengere Person in der Audienz war.
Denen wird systematisch Ohr und Hirn versaut.
Die jüngeren Menschen, welche es sich gerne anhören würden, sind meistens nicht dazu in der Lage sich die Karten zu leisten. Als Studis sind sie in der Lage die Musik zu verstehen, aber - häufig trotz Arbeit - nicht in der Lage sich den Luxus der Tickets zu bezahlen.
Der 1. Satz is WAHNSINNIG schnell!
@trenthamilton have you ever seen one of these 2:43 ?
@Breemer et al.
comments about the age of the audience and possible inauthenticity of the performance practice are wide of the mark. These performances take place when younger people are at work, sometimes spread over more than one day if something needs to be repeated (others have commented on the disappearance/reappearance of daylight, even changes in clothing of the performers). It is not surprising that only retired people are available to listen. This does not excuse the absence of younger listeners from public concerts of classical music, at least in Western Europe (it is a different matter in the Far East). What IS heartening about the audience response to these and analogous performances is thay they are listened to avidly in countries where classical music scarcely exists, least of all that of Bach. There is hope.
An INTELLIGENT comment on performance practice here will generally draw an informed response from Kapellmeister Lutz.
Is that slide trumpet historically authentic? I have seen this type before, and I'm wondering.
I would like to know that as well, never saw a baroque slide trumpet configured like that before but would love to play it.
@The MIDI Bach Project Are their any extant originals, or anything in writing on this instrument?
No, it is not. Although Bach used this Instrument in some cantatas, THIS one is written for natural Horn in the key of A. You can see this quite clearly in the score: hz.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/a/a7/IMSLP01390-BWV0136.pdf
It should be a "corno ca tirarsi" - only Bach wrote for this instrument. No original or technical drawing has survived, so the "reconstruction" depends on the instrument maker. Indeed BWV 136 is written for "corno", not "corno da tirarsi". I believe in a failed transfer, like BWV 105 (wich is also unplayable for any kind of baroque corno) it looks more like a typical "cornetto"-part. The ambitus / range fits exactly and any Stadtpfeiffer (=musicans / trumpeter in Leipzig) had to know how to play the cornetto too.
The instrument is called corno da tirarsi. See at this link (ruclips.net/video/sl8WzTYnFVM/видео.html) an old interview with Olivier Picon. He is also speaking about the corno da tirarsi.
“A quien no se le ponga.
!La carne de gallina!.
“Escuchando a Bach”.
!Es que está Muerto!”.
11:40 sinfonia b minor (dreistimmige invention)
ruclips.net/video/Sv792eYQZK4/видео.htmlsi=yTAwfvdhhKHv0RCf
The trumpet is a lovely instrument with a perfect sound for Bach, but what is it? I don't think it could be called a slide trumpet. Has it been custom designed for this trumpeter?
There were slide trumpets which predate valved ones. Like a trombone you can get every note on one partial or the other. The long trumpets you see in some of these performances were limited to certain notes and three were multiple models to play in different keys.
I believe this is the elusive "corno da tirarsi" ("slide horn"), an instrument only ever asked for by name by J. S. Bach (and only during his Leipzig period). Very little is known about this instrument which was extensively researched by Olivier Picon (who plays it here) and reconstructed by Rainer Egger with Picon and others. It is assumed this instrument was played by famed Stadtpfeifer Gottfried Reiche (Bach's principal trumpeter during his first 11 years in Leipzig) and also used on a significant number of cantatas asking for a "corno" with parts which are not playable on a natural horn. After Reiche's death, Bach never wrote parts for this instrument again which makes it plausible it was a specialty instrument only Reiche could play at a high level. The reconstructed instrument used here bears a striking resemblance to the (albeit slide-less) "trumpet horn" Reiche holds in the famous Haussman portrait.
This instrument was designed by the player, an experiment to demonstrate the elusive „Corno da Tirarsi“ ((Slide trumpet, or Thurmerhorn) What is elusive to me is why he plays this piece, written for CORNO IN A, on this instrument!! (the piece contains no notes otherwise asked for by Bach on other works of his for the Corno da Caccia like his Quoniam from the b-minor mass!)
Nice playing though!
No faster, PLEASE.
Wonderful music and beautiful performance (shame about the ads in the middle). I’m troubled by the libretto, however. It appears to encourage waiting for the next life for justice. What if this is exactly what evildoers want, so they may flourish in this world and there is no other?! ❤️💔😇👹
The existence of another world is sort of the basic assumption of Bach's cantatas, and of the christian religion in general... I suggest that you momentarily suspend your objections to that worldview in order to fully open yourself to the wonderful experience of Bach's music.
The story is about being good through life even though the world may not
Because the covenant is the foundation of strength
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Is the instrument near the oboe a trumpet, a trombone, or a horn?
Dear Mr. E.
The instrument you mean is a Corno. You can get more informations about the cantata on our streaming channel bachipedia.org.
www.bachipedia.org/werke/bwv-136-erforsche-mich-gott-und-erfahre-mein-herz/
@@Bachstiftung Thank you for the informations!
It is the mysterious corno da tirarsi (literally "slide horn") that appears in several of Bach's cantatas in slower passages for chorus. It was capable of playing non-harmonic notes prior to the development of hand-stopping technique in 1745 or valves in 1815. Although we do not know the exact configuration of Bach's corno da tirarsi, a brass instrument maker from Basel, Switzerland, Rainer Egger of the firm A. Egger developed this instrument as one possible solution several years ago utilizing the corpus of a jaegertrompete ("hunter's trumpet) modeled after the Haas trumpet in Elias Gottlob Haussman's famous 1727 portrait of Gottfried Reiche, one of the most famous of 18th century trumpeters, who played for Bach in Leipzig, and attached to a modern double slide mechanism. Is it truly Bach's instrument? No one knows for sure.
1:02
Belle cantate, je pense néammoins que les chanteurs ne sont pas tout à fait à la hauteur des musicien
Andrea school ne peut être partout !
Dachte es sei in der Besetzung Zink und kein Zuginstrument
What is that Frankenstein's monster of a contraption being used for the part marked in the score as 'corno'? Handstopping may not be authentic, and fingerholes are probably modern inventions, but from the imagination of whom has this slide horn been dreamed up?
Found this: www.bachkantaten.ch/Daten10/10/x.Corno.da.Tirarsi/Picon.2010.Corno.da.Tirarsi.pdf
Yes a slide horn did exist and is connected with Gottfried Reich whose protrait appears with a a coiled trumpet, presumably the model for the Dizzy Gillespie slide horn used in this recording (and played brilliantly by the way). While the final chorale melody score for 'corno' could not be played on a natural horn, the first movement could and should be played on a natural horn. Bit of a cheat I think.
Corno da tirarsi? Ernsthaft? Es wird sich mutmaßlich, wie auch in BWV 105, um einen Übertragungsfehler handeln - tatsächlich sieht die Partie eher nach Cornetto (=Zink) aus.
Woran machen Sie das fest? Sowohl auf der Titelseite wie auch auf der entsprechenden Stimme und auf einem erhaltenen Partiturblatt steht "Corno". Die Stimme ist in A und besteht nur aus Naturtönen. Wahrscheinlich ist da weder Zink noch "Corno da tirarsi" gemeint.
resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB0001E2E600000000
Ergänzug: Für den Choral ist definitiv ein anderes Instrument vorgesehen.
Nein, der Eingangschor ist für Naturhorn in A geschrieben - ohne Zug. Ein Blick in die Partitur zeigt das sehr deutlich: hz.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/a/a7/IMSLP01390-BWV0136.pdf
Im Schlusschor ist es ein Naturhorn in D.
Genau das fragte ich mich auch
Es gibt überhaupt keinen ersichtlichen Grund diesen Stuck auf diesen elusive „corno da tirarsi“ (was vermutlich einen Zugtrompte/Turmerhorn sei) zu spielen. „Corno“ ist vorgeschrieben, und es gibt keine Töne die Bach sonst in seine Hornstimmen verwendet. (z.B. Quoniam, WO IV, oder in den 1. Brandenburgische!)
An der Stelle mögen sich die Geister scheiden, allerdings bleibt eins anzumerken. Die Musiker vor 300 Jahren waren nicht so verbohrt und festgefahren wie wir es heute sind.
Das Instrument mag ein Rekonstruktionsversuch sein, aber dennoch ist es ein Versuch in der Zeit zu bleiben, was ich begrüßenswert finde.
Partien sind durchaus auswechselbar, das hat JS Bach uns auch so vorgelebt. Also können wir an der Stelle auch fünfe gerade sein lassen und diesen Versuch stehen lassen.
Es ist quasi die Ebene von JS Bachs Konzert für 4 Cembali, welches ursprünglich sogar ja von einem ganz anderen Komponisten stammt und für andere Instrumente geschrieben wurde. (Vivaldi, Op. 3, 10 für vier Violinen)
Bach est mon favorite mais cette cantate n' est pas interessante pour moi
Es desagradable ver y escuchar a un hombre en la voz de contralto
Music great and touchy with a phantastic interpretation. BUT: THE UGLY AND DISTURBING ADVERTISMENTS ARE REALLY NOT THE PLACE: THROW THEM IN THE TRASH CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!