Z900RS VS XSR900 Raw Impressions
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Seriously, just try riding the standard Z 900. It’s the same playful fast revving bike you’re asking for. The different tune and different cam profile on the RS makes a bigger difference than youd think. You can really see it in a dyno comparison
True I've had the standard Zr900 abs for 2 years now and I'm pretty sure the engines tuned to be hotter than the RS model I love it but if I could have the RS too I would for days I don't need all that torque
Agreed, Ive had my Z900 for 2 years and decided to try the Z900RS at a kawi demo day.. I was surprised how dummed down it felt compared to the Z900 which is MUCH spicier😤🤌
Despite having a cable throttle, it's still down to the way the EFI delivers the fuel. A different tune ought to fix a lot of the lag on the RS. Yes, they deliberately tune it differently, because it's not a sports naked - it's a modern classic UJM. They're trying to emulate the usability of the classics with this one - it's more of a bike for people who like to pootle about with classic feel and style than people who want to turn into a land-based cruise missile at the flick of a wrist. Honestly, I think a flash tune, a different air filter and perhaps a four-into-one-into-four pipe system will absolutely uncork this thing.
I’ve put 60,000 km on my Zrs and yeah I wish it had the standard Z900 engine.
But the point is comparing the 2 neo-retro bikes. The z900 isn’t a retro bike at all…
"I think its clear here that the XSR is a faster motorcycle"
I would hope so considering its got a full exhaust a tune and a regear ahead of the Z900RS.
The XSR probably gained a minimum of 15% more power over stock.
Apples and oranges here for sure, fix the Z up to match the XSR and it would be a different story all together.
Stock vs stock this would have been pretty even in terms of power and speed with the Z being ahead in all the other categories.
They do this all the time. It's an entertaining channel to be sure, but when it comes to any kind of factual information, no one who works for this channel has a clue.
Don't know if they did another vs video, but they did one on the Z900 RS after tuning it.
Since a lot of riders tune their bikes, tuned vs tuned would be an even more intriguing video.
Wait...did we learn from this video that Spites real name is Jake? Dang it Whitney!
She's said it before. Most recently on the Pan-America/CRF300L video.
Aw, Jacob...
My dumbass thought she was calling him a jake cause hes on the xsr and dont want to be normal, but be a noob Jake 😂😂😂 naturally translating from American to English, I imagine a Jake is the "Jock" or "Chad" without the monster 😂
You really need to get your z900rs checked because I have one and it absolutely rips and revs up to red line really fast . The in-line 4 is a torque monster Your bike seems to run to hot as well.
I know both these two have ridden WAY more bikes than me, and I know the XSR is more liter-bike madness, but I'm curious about that too. Take KTRC off and my front tire will come up in 3rd no problem. The commuter guy going to an office job...on a 948cc torque monster? Do people do that? Anyway, you guys didn't grow up yearning after the KZ1200 and reading Hunter S. Thompson, so I don't blame you for picking the ugly hyper one. Different influences.
same here, i think theirs is busted
Dropping a tooth on the front sprocket is another popular mod people use to calm the Z down, might be worth a quick check on a used bike.
I think the Yamaha are great. Good video. I bought my first bike ever 4 months ago and chose the z900 se and love it. Pulls hard. Corners great when I lean on it. And I know I jumped straight to a 900 but I am older and have self controle. Sometimes lol.
Comparing dead stock to fully modified is in no way fair. All your comments relate back to this fact. Can't wait for you to get Brock's to give it the treatment, then see how the Z900RS stacks up. Please do it. I have one and am considering doing just this, but I can't write it off my taxes. Go, Yam, go!
I have to pick the Z900. I'm old as dirt, and it takes me back to some of my earliest bikes.
I'm 42 and maybe not as old as you, but dear Buddha does the Z900 look good. I don't even think about it as looking good because it looks retro; it looks good because it looks a lot like other great-looking bikes that just so happen to have been originally made many years ago - those bikes were just so far ahead of their time in terms of looks. I just put a deposit down on a 2023 RS Cafe and will likely pick up on Friday. It looks so sharp in the black with gold accents.
I did the Ivans flash and airbox mods along with the Akropovic headers on my RS and it takes the shackles off without turning it into the deathtrap that the XRS is. You guys call it rowdy but to me it was just unpredictable and dangerous.
It's the same thing as back when they had the trident 660. Getting a flash can make a huge difference on motorcycles tuned to be more docile from factory.
These guys are after 👍 and views and don’t really care about quality or content anymore.
@@thebulgarianguy8461 bruh you clearly dont watch their videos they put so much quality and editing into every video you just want attention little one go watch a hot tub stream if you want attention
@@608rider I clearly do since I know this is the 3rd same video between the Kawasaki and Yamaha. But thanks for the advice
Same. Also did the muffler, Not even the same bike anymore.
They comment on the highway pulls about the speed of the Yamaha, but don't bring back up the mods that have been performed to put that gap in context. Just something to consider.
"Are you actively growing hair on your balls like I am?" I almost choked on my drink.
Interesting description of the z900 power delivery. I rode the 750 back in the early 80s and that was exactly like that, sluggish at low revs and then picked up. Never rode the original Z, but that is maybe the same character and they’ve engineered that into the retro.
Yeah definitely enjoy this content, because I love almost anything motorcycles and really like Whitney and Jake..hmm I mean Spite🤔 That being said just wish they’d emphasize the fact that’s the gen1 xsr and this would be a completely deferent comparison with the new xsr model. But still a fun video👏
Between these two, it's the z900rs for me. The 2022 XSR900 makes it a harder call but in the end I would be buying a bike like this largely for looks, and the z900rs is always going to win that comparison. The exhaust and tune will bring up the excitement level. Handling can be sharpened if needed. But no matter what you do to the XSR it will never look nearly as beautiful as the z900rs does stock. *chef's kiss* (And custom z900rs's are often jaw droppingly gorgeous)
Same here. The '22 XSR900 got all the bells and whistles. But do you really need the fancy "IMU" if you only go to the track once or twice a year? The quickshifter is pretty nice but overall, I'm gonna the pick the Z900RS, especially the cafe version!
I watched both videos and they were fun to watch and contained of good information on each motorcycle for a person who has never ridden either bike... and also had an abundance of awesome Whitney quotes. What can I say, she has solid one liners. Personally, I would choose the z900 for the looks and the seat quality... I guess as I get older I care about ass cheek comfort and ergonomics more and more. The xsr has modern naked look and I do like it but the classic look of the z is more my style. I agree about the bikini fairing would be sweet but I like the black and don't really care for the bright green on Kawi's except on their dirt bikes where I find shouty bright colors to be more appropriate and desirable. The black is more dressed up and refined looking where the greens is a tad obnoxious for a classic looking street bike IMO. It would be interesting to see a tuned up z900 go against Whitney's tuned up xsr as I think the performance comparison would be a bit more even. Good videos y'all...keep em coming.
2 videos without ever mentioning your XSR is last generation?
z900rs if you want a modern retro
xsr if you want a redesigned mt09
Kawi has done the best retro bikes so far (at least out of the Japanese manufacturers) with the w800, z900rs, and their 650 equivalent.
Love Yamaha but their “retro” bikes don’t have the retro look or feel.
I'd take the z just for the way it looks, classic and gentlemanly. It's the kind of bike you'd love to keep a lifetime, and it's made that way, solid and reliable. If the xsr is the mistress, z is the wife material.
The XSR is the unstable side chick
The RS is the woman you marry
I just wrote exactly that in my own comment just now before reading your comment 😅
@@Amory98 and I want to comment to both of you gentlemen ...you both made outstanding comments..
My 900rs has a flash, exhaust and airbox mod, and it is a night and day difference up top compared to stock.
Same here and I would like to see this again once they mod it. I was amazed at the difference once I rode mine after the mods.
How it fuel consumption has changed?
@@haromt3 it went down maybe 2-3 mpg. Stock it gets 40-45 so its worth it for the power delivery alone.
you keep saying that the xsr is the better bike, but it should be with all of the mods done to it. do all of the same mods to the z and then see if the xsr is still on top, i bet they will be extremely close.
The 2023 xsr has been greatly improved compared to the older models.
This was perfect. More videos like these please. More Whitney. She’s hilarious!
I unironically LOVE Spite's level-headed pragmatic opinions. And Whitney, the new female cohost, is a GREAT addition to Team YammieNoob.
@@robertholland7558 I think (and this is probably by design) that the YammieNoob channel has assembled a team where each of the hosts is relatable to **someone** either in style of riding or taste of bikes.
Sort of like The Grand Tour where Yammie, being the sometimes immature insufferable douchè is the analog to Clarkson, Whitney is playing the part of Hammond, and well, Spite, he's obviously YammieNoob's version of James May.
I have owned both bikes and totally disagree the Z900RS is so much more powerful and better, not sure why this isn't an honest review? Must get cabbage from Yamaha 😑
just watching the “highway pulls”, i couldn’t help but thinking your throttle is broken or something on the z900. I just went and did the same pull on mine and either your video is slowed down or your bike is broken. Mine has delkevic headers and thats it, not even a tune, and it’s bonkers compared to yours.
Yep, we have a Jake!
The comparison between the two engine characters would be even more interesting if the Z900RS came in the same engine tune as its donor model - the Z900, with 124bhp instead of the 110bhp in the RS.
I like the RS, modern classics are cool. Don't know what "RS" stands for, but it's not 'Racing Special'.
Have you guys tried the SE model with the Öhlins rear shock and retuned front suspension?
Love the channel keep it up
Awesome, thank you really enjoy the format
you know, the more i hear you complain about the rs, the more i think theres something wrong with yours. Maybe my throttle to brain connection is broken, but i’ve never felt underwhelmed by the rs’ performance.
I'm surprised about the "herky jerky" throttle response on the XSR. I thought they eliminated all of that on the new model. Is the one being tested not current? If not, what's the point to this comparison, aside from it also being modded. Still love your channel.
It's Whitney's 2016 xsr900
They are using the last gen XSR. the new one fixed almost every issue with the last one, in stock form it has an incredibly smooth throttle and it handles significantly better, which is expected since Yamaha specifically targeted better power delivery and handling when they redesigned the bike.
@@MrGoddly yeah the new gen mt09/XSR is amazing. I’d know cause I have one lol
@@MrGoddly Thanks so much for the reply. I have read/watched reviews on the 2022 XSR which is why I was surprised by the comments. Yep, Yamaha fixed almost everything that was wrong with the previous generation. I say almost cause to me, it's still butt ugly. I don't know why the engine shows so much wiring and plumbing. They need a way to clean all that up like other naked. However, if they did that, it would be a perfect bike, and we know there's no such thing. :-) Thanks again!
Hi Yammie! I would like to see you do a video on the Honda Navi and give your honest opinion while you’re riding one. I have one myself and I know you mentioned that its not a good starter bike. You’re opinions are hilarious and I wouldn’t mind seeing it.
Just goes to show that speed, even on a motorcycle, is not everything.
And let's face it, the Z9 just really weees all over the looks of the Yam.
As one comic book character would say, "the XSR is Diabolical, the z900rs, is tame".
I like the girl's honesty about how the bike instilled bad habits into her and limits her confidence. I'm an experienced rider but just want to enjoy the ride with some fun. Z900RS with the better sound and comfort sounds great.
Get a Ivans tune on that Z900RS and wake it up
great comparison, but would love to see the new updated XSR in this comparison.
There should've been 3, 4, maybe 5 bikes in this vs video.
Ok, this is somewhat about 2 of the big 4 Japanese manufacturers going head to head. But the Triumph Speed Twin could, possibly should be here too. The CB1000R should be. Kind of a different style but the Suzuki Katana could be too.
At first I was a little unsettled by the camera changing during the conversation but then I realized it was just following the flow of the conversation. And the editing is so well done that it's fairly seamless and natural. I really liked it by the end. Great video, keep up the good work! (except don't do highway pulls comparing stock and modified bikes)
Unfair drag racing, since the xsr has a tune!
I've demo ridden both new. I like the Kawi better, but I'm old 😉
It's better for you. You cannot handle xsr
Subtle power for your age
@@sagar_27.99 😜
@@Pabloman333 boomer 😏
The xsr is actually at a disadvantage given spites weight.
@@trevor6814 🤣
Thank goodness we can lane split here, I couldn't stay in traffic on a motorcycle especially in 150 degree weather. What's the point of have a bike if you can't lane split through traffic, it's one of the benefits plus HOV lanes too. Too bad some states are always controlling.
Love this videos of the XSR 900!
How do you think an XSR 900 will handle with clip ons?
Compare the XSR900/MT-09 to the regular Z900. Would be fun too
Great video again. Can you let us know how the Kawasaki is as a two up bike in its class?
Should have bought the z900 SE version... night and day with the suspension.
You can help the Z900RS with Z900 camshafts
Ayyyy, he said ‘night and day’
wtf is that phone mount on the xsr. No rokform?
Factory? No, the one we love has 5 massive mods.
Yammie great content no stash much better 🤣🤟🇺🇸👍➡️
Man, the Z900RS is the older brother out of the 2 bikes. No comparison.
The Z seems like the chiller option between the two.
XSR900 is just an AWESOME bike. I mean damn...havent had as much fun on a bike since my Desert Sled.
No offense to Kawi...The Z900 may be equally as fun.
The chipotle of bikes 😂😂
An million dollar sf90 passed by and they didn't even notice, shame.
Please take that garbage power commander off the xsr and get a vcyclenut tune. Get a penski shock and fork cartridges. Totally different animal in the best way.
What setting do you have the safety features set at? There is a WORLD of change.
This is like the fourth video almost in a row of just beating up on the z900. We get it, aren't there other bikes in the studio to make videos about right now ? Where is the triumph?
Can she make a sentence with out saying “ I mean” I mean I mean lol 😂
Oh god!
That lady again
What’s wrong with Whitney?
Not a fair parkway test due to the sprocket change.
Oh shit whoops I thought I was staring at filled up chest pockets, that’s not yammienoob, shit did I mod something? That was shocking. I’m surprised my phone is still working rn after dropping it in the toilet just now right on top of the shit.
The Chipotle of bikes would make me think it's bland and flavorless.
The new xsr is a different bike -be nice to see that in avid comparo.
Should be testing against the new xsr900
Wuss - the seats are fine!
I want to see an actual Z900 on this channel... not the RS. I feel like it is being avoided at all costs
I just wonder if the yammie would do a brack performance on it and how to change that bike
I can guarantee that most riders would prefer the RS.
How tall is she and is she able to flat foot both bikes?
41k miles on my Z900rs(!)
Did Whitney get rid of her 701?!
z900 for me because my insurance company prices the XSR900/MT09 sky high into 150+hp bike territory.
The Kawasaki is a beautiful looking bike the XSR is ugly compared to it and I'll bet it's more comfortable . The XSR is much more high strung and lot's of fun to ride .
oi why u compare it to the old xsr?
The Z seems like a four cylinder Bonneville.
ive had both, the bonnie is lower, feels more like a steam train, doesn’t go or stop as well. The rs has more torque, more top end, better brakes, better cornering stability, more up right position and if you close your eyes, it feels like a standard Japanese naked sports bike thats had all it’s edges softened.
@@Koleboetel the RS has a cush drive too. It's definitely the ECU. The new euro regs means that when you cut the throttle, like say, when you are braking before going into a corner, and therefore have no throttle on, then the ECU cuts the fuel to the engine altogether, so long as the bike is still moving. Apparently it's called "fuel cut" or something like that in the ECU options. Older bikes would have an idle setting that would deliver a minimal amount of fuel during 0 throttle, no mater how fast you were going.
The problem with this, is when you go to roll the throttle back on, say, mid corner, there is a slight gap between when you turn the throttle (which on the RS is actually a cable, but also monitored by the ECU), and the ECU going "oh, hang on, you want to GO again?", so the bike goes from hard engine braking (because no fuel is being used), to "you are already at 10% throttle, crap, better throw some fuel on the fire". This can be designed or tuned to be unnoticeable, no doubt by using completely ride by wire systems so the computer has complete 1 to 1 control over the entire process, however, it seems many manufacturers don't care, or don't want to fix it in any other way just to appease some markets enviro restrictions. (This is actually why one "fix" for this is to raise the idle, so the bike never thinks it's at 0 throttle, but then the bike is pushing you around at "idle" which is unsettling at best)
So we end up with bikes (like the RS), where if you go from 0 throttle to any throttle, you get a noticeable jerk, which, mid corner, can be confidence destroying. The solution? There are 2: when you roll on the throttle, roll on super slowly and super smoothly, like 10 times smoother than you think you can, and 100 times smoother than you actually do, and f it up 50% of the time, but stop caring and work it into your riding style. Kinda solved?
Or, get a tuner to disable that throttle cut switch in the ECU. Problem completely solved.
Usually I'm happy enough to go along with environmental regulations, but in this case, it makes riding a motorbike much more dangerous than it needs to be, especially with a bike that is quite responsive, quite upright, has plenty of power, limited rider modes (the wet riding mode just makes the traction control way more intrusive) and is quite heavy for what it is.
I have gotten somewhat used to mine, but if it's raining, I'm mid corner, well, I just don't push myself at all anymore, sad, but that's what you have to do to save the environment right? (I'll be getting mine fixed properly now that everything is open again (virus we cannot name)
@@Koleboetel I had a 2013 bonneville se2 a2, beautiful bike, but not quite the performance level I'm up for these days. I'm on to my thrid set of rubbers on the RS. I highly recommend getting off the OEM rubber asap, they make those tires to a tight budget. I currently run Michelin Pilot Road 4's, fantastic tire, completely changed the way the bike turns in, holds a line etc. good in the wet too.
Guys, they are not the same type of bike.
GSXS 1000 2022 Pleaseeee
Is z900rs good bike for the beginner????
No. Not a beginner bike.
They could say all the beautiful and amazing things about the Yamaha, but that bike is just so horrible looking, and the 2022 model?!, Have you seen the new seat and tail, they are absolutely disgustingly horrible, It is just too much uglyness for. For me easy pick definitely and absolutely Kawasaki, what a beauty and peace of art it is. Also is very nice for cruising comfortable without having to worry about jerkiness like Yamaha. Lastly I just do not like the sound of 3 cylinder bikes, they just forgot to add 1 cylinder, there is nothing like the music of 4 cylinder bikes, nothing!!!!
The comment section is always full of so much "actually".
day 1000 of asking for a review of a duke 890
I personally think the Yamaha is just ugly to look at. And the new 2022 updated model isn't any better
jibblety❤️
Yeeyeee
“Are you actively growing hair on your balls? Cus that’s why I bought this bike.” Whitney
Chipotle is good? SMH
Look at all the Kawasaki guys in the comments 😂
I am curious about the new xsr900 and its ability to handle on twistys.
I know Yamaha specifically targeted better handling on the new gen. Since it uses the same frame geometry and engine as my 2021 mt09 I would assume it handles similarly and the mt09 handles way better than the previous generation. With power modes using mode 2 or 3 (1 being the highest) I'm sure you can have similar power delivery as the 900rs while retaining the higher mode if you want to have fun. obviously I haven't ridden the new xsr900 since they are almost impossible to find yet and I already have my mt09 but considering it is mechanically the same as my Mt09 this is the best comparison I can give.
@@MrGoddly thanks. I read about the swing arm and frame changes. The local dealer isn't even allocated a new xsr900 for this year.
Do the yuppies living along that estate road you guys always rip and film on ever complain??
My bike was stolen earlier this week I'm gonna be off 2 wheels for a while
what's up with your voice, it's like the video on tik tok with a new chef...
The Z900 is ugly. XSR900 looks better.
Kawasaki's seem like the KIA of motorcycles.
Yamaha is not a classic bike but it is not a modern bike either, is like What F... Is that horrible thing, really Yamaha just got the crown producing the ugliest looking motorcycle that they could produce !!!!
Pretty much the same video for the 3rd time. This is getting really boring.
Hey Yam's i will like and watch every single vid you have if you send me a grom.
wanna become a tattoo/bike youtuber.