We use to flood about 200 acres of leveled ground. Before we leveled we would have to run ditch’s to try and get it as much covered as possible. The worse about that was the low places would get to much water and the high points wouldn’t get any. I finally had it laser leveled about 15 years ago. That really helped a lot with increase in yields it we are on heavy ground and some of the cuts exposed the heavier clay. Another thing I had a problem with was trying to get the water down the ditch to the other end because the ditch had no fall to it. Had to build up the banks at the head to about half way. Didn’t have head gates but had to shovel the openings in the bank for water to flow out and then dam them up when we were done with that border. Then our irrigation company voted to go pressurized. It was a lot of money and the government helped with part of it. I was able to put in two pivots and a linear. What a difference that made. I’m now getting a third more production from the ground. The heavier soil will even grow twice as much. And it is so nice to be able to turn it on with your phone. Wouldn’t ever go back to flooding. I still have to flood my meadows and other farm ground on other systems. We take water out of a river and then it is split into 17 different canal company’s. Much of the system goes through and major city and so the government wants all the companies to go pressurized. The savings on the amount of water used is at least %30-40 saving. We used a lot of water last year and we only used about half of what we had a right to use. That means we can use that water on ground that we haven’t water ever. It is such a great blessing. The savings alone will help pay for the system. The old open canal system was started in 1907. It had been that way since two years ago. We had our detractors that wanted nothing to do with it. Me being on the end of the canal was always short of water because of theft. A few that were at the head of the canal would take twice as much water than the had a right to take. I owned one tenth of the rights and yet got less water. I was always shutting down neighbors head gates and passing them off. It was a very poorly run company. Before we went pressurized we finally got enough younger board members in there and I was finally getting a more stable stream. There was three other canal companies that were above us that would allow week end waterers. We put a stop to that as well. We are the only canal company that has gone pressurized. And it has still worked out great. We have had to put in four big electric pumps and have not had to run all four at once yet. When the whole system goes pressurized it will be gravity pressure. Anyway that’s all I have to say about that.
Watching your videos makes me feel like I’m learning all over again. I was never fan of irrigation. But I did haul hay for Robert . And learned to drive hay squeeze. Fun times . Keep videos coming .
Thanks for doing this video! You've got a good setup there. I've read about and seen flood irrigation that's more water-efficient than pivots.When its done right ,it's a thing of beauty.
That’s nice how you don’t have to have internal channels that you need to manage. In Australia we have a channels( in our area managed by a farmer owned private company) that deliver water to the meter on your farm. But from there you need to have your own channels to move water to the where you won’t too irrigate. The district does have have drainage systems but most most farmers with newer flood setups have there own recycle drains. This is so they can save the water if they do over irrigate they can repump into there systems. The district own drainage systems is only used in a flood. Thanks for the video
This is so funny! I live in Oregon now, but before I was widowed, we had a house in Ajo. Every winter I would drive up and get hay from you guys! I miss those warm Arizona winters, you guys, and the Arizona Sweets that we would get from the orchard down the way. You hay was always the best!
Your irrigation is a lot easier then ours! I mean I can control mine with my phone... but you never have to change a flat tire or gear box in 12ft corn in 100° heat with 90% humidity and mosquitoes so you win! Another great video!!
Another benefit of flood irrigation, it is more environmentally friendly, no running pumps for pivots, less fossil fuel. We called the waste water lazy man lake, because the irrigator was usually sleeping. Another great video.
Jennifer Travels but some could say we’re wasting water with flood irrigation. Pivots use less water, with proper management. We still use big pumps to get water out of the ground. Our irrigator runs around in a pickup burning fuel. But when you look at the overall footprint of agriculture and how much green we create, and the cooling effects from crops, and the oxygen the crops produce, the fossil fuels we use compared to the footprint are minuscule, compared to other industries.
Great video 👍 We produce baled hay and alfalfa in Alicante, Spain (a lot less than you though 😅 about 30,000 bales this year) and have exactly the same flood irrigation system. All our water is from reservoirs which either collect rain or more usually water tranfers through rivers and canals from northern Spain. Like you our water useage is closely monitored and we have to be a member of our local water co-op to access it - although once a member we can generally access as much as we need whenever we need ourselves (no need for the co-op to attend while we are irrigating). However increasingly in recent years lower rainfall both here and in the north of Spain has meant the reservoirs are often low and some areas are now effectively unable to access any flood irrigation at all. That is good for those of us who still have it (increased demand for our hay) but also very worrying for the future of agriculture in our region. It is a big contrast from where I used to farm in the UK, where our biggest problem was normally too much rain! Always enjoy your videos - especially comparing the similarities and differences in how we do things. Keep up the great work, may your alfalfa be plentiful and your hay dry 😁👍
Localmotion that’s is so cool!!! I wasn’t sure where else people farmed like us!! We’ll have to stay in touch, if I ever make it that way, I would love to see it!!
I live up here in the Central Valley of California and have always wondered about what it meant when they talk about water delivery . Thanks for showing how this is done.
That’s a real interesting system. Never seen this kind of thing before. I wouldn’t know where to start working out what you would need. Cool. 👍👍👍👍🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Wow,.....that is cool!!! For somebody like me, who has never had to worry about irrigation, the whole process is coming together to make sense. Thank You for explaining things. Lastly,.....was that a nice thing to do, eating a beautiful sandwich in front of us?!?! (Ha!Ha!)
It reminded me of when they flood the dry dock at the shipyard. It’s interesting to see how this is done since irrigation is not widely used in our state.
Where I live that is called border check irrigation. We row up and furrow irrigate corn, cotton and soybeans. In rice of course the levees are built on the contours. All of our farmland is precision leveled single plane. The slope varies from field to field from 0.15% to 0.05%, it all depends on the crop that will be grown there and how much the cost to level will be depending on the slope.
I lived in Phoenix for several years (stationed at Luke AFB) and always wondered how they managed those canals. I knew it was effluent water because I played a lot of golf and that’s what they use on many golf courses. Anybody that thinks this is wasting water doesn’t know what effluent is. Thanks for the explanation it was very interesting.
Bales Hay Farm and Ranch vary impressive how it all works and how long the district has been around. The old timers where not afraid of a project back in the day that’s for sure!
wingnutwelding exactly. And how they surveyed the land to find the highest area to put the canal so the water ran down hill. They did a lot with very little.
Here is northern Ohio we use subsurface drainage because of our excess of water. Really cool to see how you guys manage water. All of our tile drainage used to be installed with laser and now we use GPS and water management software. Maybe there is software and tools available to help manage water the way you guys do.
Awesome video. A couple of questions: How wide are your borders? How long do you typically run your border for? What kind of soils do you have? Do you know how much flow in gallons per minute (gpm) you're putting on each border? Thanks ahead of Time. Keep up the great vids.
Hey Trevor. Thanks for all of the work you put into the channel. I'm a big fan of AGvocacy! Couple water quality questions. Do you guys happen to take samples occasionally to check both the effluent and groundwater chemistry? Kinda curious what fertilizer value, if any, is provided from the city effluent and what degree of soil salinity you're dealing with from the groundwater. Keep up the good work! Between you and Millennial Farmer, i'm on RUclips way too much!
Thank you. Those are good questions, and I have no clue. The irrigation district may do that. Our agronomist might as well. That’s one area of the farm I do not mess with.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Understandable. You've got enough on the dish to contend with. May be a good question to ask your CCA to keep him on his toes. Hay looks good regardless!
Awesome video, have y’all thought about purchasing a tanker and pumping all that excess water onto it or a couple of them and then setting that reclaimed water back onto the fields or storage tanks? I always heard the water is the biggest expense
I’m living in Oregon now, but when we spent the winters in Ajo, I always drove up and got my hay from you! It was always the best. I am flood irrigating my field here. It is not level and floods everything except where I want it. Is it worth disking and leveling a 1 acre pasture? The rest of the property gets water as it should. Or should I just get a box and level without loosening the soil up. I think I would get a better pasture if I did. Thank you. I miss Buckeye!
Oh man! Not many people know about Ajo. Well, I hate to give you this answer. But without seeing the property. It’s really hard to say what the correct answer is.
Another grate video thank you. Now i see how important it is to get all the fields level. Is there any way you can capture the excess water from the fields and pump it to a place where you can reuse it? Just curious that's all I hope you don't mind me asking. Looking forward to seeing the next instalment. Take care Regards Richard.
Love your channel I have been trying to plant a circle of hay every year totally different from your flood. You mentioned that the water run off is paid for and a loss could you build a tail water pit and pump excess water back up to top of field? Kind of recycle?
matt m yes, exactly. Some fields it makes sense, like if you had several hundred acres stacked up, so their run off all went the same way. But on a small acres, it wouldn’t be very cost effective.
Wow, awesome system. What is the average time frame or how long does the field remain flooded depending on temperature, wind, etc before the water is all absorbed in the soil?
Lori Torrance that’s sooo hard to say, for the reasons you said, plus the steepness of the field, the soil type, and the age, and size of the existing crop and time of year.
Here in Pennsylvania when we have surface flooding from natural weather events, we worry about loss of seeds/plants from wash out & decay, so as cool as your irrigation system is, it is slightly unsettling to see alfalfa fields flooded like rice paddies on purpose. That is why I wondered how long fields were under water each time.
Hi from Queen Creek...…. Great video! Assuming you get 8-10 cuts per year have you ever estimated how many 3 string bales you get from an acre per year.
Neat video, interesting to watch how you guys farm in such a dry environment. What's your average rain fall per year? And what months do you get most of the rain?
That is fairly incredible to see for a Midwest boy. Any idea what the evaparation rate is on the water you are paying for? Typically wastewater treatment plant discharges are technically drinkable in the midwest. I am wondering if that is the same kind of water you see transmitted in Florida in the pinkish purple pipes...must be. Thanks for this, keep it up find your operation very interesting.
Have you ever had to irrigate with 6 inch tubes? Used to irrigate about 400 acres with them. Hardest work I've ever done. My neighbor thinks all teenagers should have to do some form of flood irrigation to teach good work ethic. Frikin' laser beams!
Thanks for sharing! Can you please teach us how it affects other farmers downstream when you block the water in the canals when you do your irrigation? Do you have to coordinate with other farmers? If you have your own canal and don't have to worry about this, does every farmer have their own? If not, how do they coordinate? Also, can you explain a little better how they measure the water that you use? You mentioned briefly but it's not clear. Do they keep coming by to look at that "ruler?" Also, since the water is just flowing, I don't know how the water level on that "ruler" would get lower. Lastly, why are some of the canals always dry? Thanks
Good video do you have any poultry houses in your area?? you could use the used poultry litter for fertilizer .. Also do you clean out your cattle pens and put the manure on your hay fields ? like other people do on there corn in the fall after harvest.
"Flood" irrigation implies to me a poorer designed fields than you have. The general name is Surface Irrigation. Yours is border irrigation or level border irrigation.
Joe B Griffin yes. Very expensive, we have lots of gophers, and the yields are very good, which can be a negative as well. I know several guys with subsurface drip.
august people do, they aren’t supposed to. Liability purposes. It can be dangerous. I’ve seen cat fish and carp I think. I don’t know, pretty big. Plus they stock the canal with fish so they eat moss and help keep it clean.
Do you plant the alfalfa seed after an irrigation? Then will it have enough growth when another flood irrigation is needed? Interesting how you irrigate, we have mostly center pivots here in Eastern Washington.
@@daleholmgren8385 8 ft per acre which is a lot of water. Lots of California farmers are only getting 2.5 acre feet this year with isn’t enough to grow many crops
All this time I thought you used the laser so much because they were cool and it’s fun to say laser!!🤣🤣 Very cool how even that water runs down the field. How often do you have to irrigate? I know that’s a broad question, just a general idea?
that water is likely safe to drink after its been put through treatment plant. i wouldn't want to drink it but you could. i think in some places they put treated water back into the drinking supply
Last year I’ve must’ve killed 300 gophers with a shovel. This year I started using two GopherHawks since June and so far gotten 53. Very pleased with the traps!
I'm guessing that the Irrigator is not your direct employee. Does the person work for the irrigation district or an independent contractor? Is irrigation tape an option for your operation? I was out driving along Broadway or Southern (?) a couple of years ago. I could have sworn a farm was harvesting carrots or some other root vegetable. So I imagine they're not using the same water source as you (91st Ave reclamation plant)? Would they be using all groundwater or water from another district? Is Roosevelt Canal in a different district? I traced that canal all the way back to 27th Av and Lower Buckeye by the other wastewater treatment plant near downtown Phx. So probably not that one either. Beardsley Canal? Thanks
Do you have computer programs or apps for your phones that help you make the calculations and the timings of the flooding process? Does this process also require middle of night work to turn the water off or on?
hardlyableacres/rsh nope, a lot of the timing depends on our neighbors. We can’t go off a set schedule. We make a schedule and try to stay close to it. But there are so many variables that change the rate the water flows, and when we get it. At this point there is not app. The district does use a computer though.
Brian Rett oh yeah, guys that can afford it, put big sump ponds in the end of several fields and the collect all the run off. But then they need a large pump and pipe system to get the water back up to the top. It works well for guys with several hundred or thousands of acres close by. Unfortunately my farm is very spread out and it wouldn’t work
Thanks for the reply, I’m from MI so how you guys manage water is interesting, since you have a completely different situation than us; it’s fun to learn. Does the district you filmed in have those sumps? Or is that something that would have to be cost shared with other producers in that area?
Brian Rett they are on private farms. I’m not sure of any district or shared sumps. The farmer already paid for the water. So it would be difficult to figure that.
Dear Sir I have question please You have mentioned in the video that you are using soil pan as I understood to stabilize the seed during flood Irregation until it start germinating Can you please send me the exact name or the web site where we can buy it Thank you
@treveorbales Why wouldn't you have a pump and pump your overflow water back to the top of the next field or cell and get all the use out of the water you are paying for?
It would be extremely expensive. Some guys do do that. It works well when you have several hundred acres close by. Unfortunately ours is spread around too much. It wouldn’t work.
I remember few years back when they were cracking down on people wasting water here in CA for a week straight one news channel i used to watch out of L.A. kept going on about farms here in our valley was wasting water on farm land. So every day for a solid month i kept posting water main breaks that would run half the day in or around L.A. i.e. urban areas with only captioned what crops you guys watering or how many time you guys water your asphalt a year our town is trying to grow a few roads and we are new to it. Lol
Tyler dunning it’s sooo politicized with lies and not accurate information. It’s sooo frustrating. People have been farming places over 100 years, water shortages were never a problem. But now big cities, swimming pools, massive yards, golf courses, and parks can just run sprinklers, and like you said, cities can ignore broken water lines. It’s stupid. The news needs a bad guy, it’s easy to pick on the 1%.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch i was pissed cause alot of our farms had land sitting empty so our water District could send water west towards Indio and Palm Springs but they don't understand the effects of when farms as a collective don't meet the markets needs other than farmers loses money
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch or i sat and talked with a older farmer here and he said like you did there has always been droughts here and there its nothing new
Can you please tell me why there is no wild brush left on these farms? 10 years ago there was brush and shade for the water along a lot of the canals. Everyone is going to “over head irrigation” which allows way more evaporation...
Trees, and shrub cover brings in minks and hawks that would fight off your gopher problems btw. Stay eco friendly as best you can. Stoked you’re still flood irrigating
That’s not true at all here. We have to keep the canal banks clean. Letting the wild brush grow causes problems. Plugs ups = blow out in canal. More places for rodents to burrow = blow out in canal. Tree root systems cause canal walls to cave in = canal blow out. There are many many many examples of that happening up and down this canal. There is a River bottom less than a mile away with LOTS and LOTS of birds of pray. There are even several bald Eagle families around. Keeping the canal and ditch banks clean from brush is a top priority. The more blow outs, the more wasted water. And we are on strict water use. We have our future in mind and want to farm another hundred years in this valley. Ironically, most of the brush in this area isn’t even native to AZ. Which brings a whole new argument! The River used to flow, now it doesn’t. Thanks to the government. Anyways.... thanks for watching!!!
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch I’ve always been taught that vegetation and roots prevent soil erosion, shade to prevent evaporation, wind barriers and structure for river banks. The river doesn’t flow cause there’s none returning to the aquifers. Have you seen the study’s on soil health and biomass? Thanks for making these videos, we’ve been wondering why the lands have changed so much... where all the wildlife has gone. takes 30+ years for natural vegetation to undo one pass with the blade... and you’re correct cheat grass and other non native opportunists are first to move in.
@@JERFALCON you would think. And the root systems sometimes help. Sometimes. But there are some big cotton woods close by. And where they are, the bank is always thinning and being fixed. Down here they brought in Salt Cedar trees to help “slow” the water down in the river. Unfortunately, that tree drinks gallons upon gallons of water daily. Now these trees are EVERYWHERE, yes it provides places for animals, but it’s also extremely invasive and killed out the big cotton wood trees.
Prob good thing you don’t pump water . I’m not sure about the long term effects of that ? And using reclaimed water is a good thing . Is that the right wording??
Not long. The top of the Ford where the water starts is longer. All the water has to flow past the top. So up at the top. 2 hours to 2.5. Depending on the time is takes to irrigate each border. And the bottom, 30 mins maybe.
Great video! I like the focus on applied life skills. Wanted to ask... How hard is it to connect fields to irrigation that haven't ever been on one before? Is this hard? Typically how much do you pay per acre per year for irrigation water? And is that typical for most western states? And when you are figuring out if you are hitting your goals, are you shooting for hours of water penetration? Or just raw water per feet, or something else to figure out if you are penetrating the field? And how do you make sure the field stays level? Do you have to fix this every year?
Hello! Would you or anyone you know happen to know what type of irrigation system would be best (or what most people use around here) for 20-30 acres of horse grazing pasture, with a well, in this climate and area? May be installed from scratch and just doing homework before buying land to estimate cost if we have to install a system and what systems to look into. Thanks!
A year we have a good amount of water. We are allowed 8 acre foot of water per acre. On a great producing field we’d get 9 to 10 tons off that acre in the same year.
All the excess water running into the drainage ditch and back into the river doesn't it's take all the fertiliser and chemicals with it? Just wondering
@Jesus Martinez We have places like this in my state. They can fix that by salt settling pools to let the salinity drop in before it goes into the fields. I forgot the name of the terms for it. But they do this in places like Delta, Utah and have been doing it for a long time. And the crop still works out well.
8 af per year per acre is equivalent to 96 inches of rain in the desert. Thanks to the U S tax payers who paid for the dams and reservoirs thus providing reliable source of water.
We use to flood about 200 acres of leveled ground. Before we leveled we would have to run ditch’s to try and get it as much covered as possible. The worse about that was the low places would get to much water and the high points wouldn’t get any. I finally had it laser leveled about 15 years ago. That really helped a lot with increase in yields it we are on heavy ground and some of the cuts exposed the heavier clay. Another thing I had a problem with was trying to get the water down the ditch to the other end because the ditch had no fall to it. Had to build up the banks at the head to about half way. Didn’t have head gates but had to shovel the openings in the bank for water to flow out and then dam them up when we were done with that border. Then our irrigation company voted to go pressurized. It was a lot of money and the government helped with part of it. I was able to put in two pivots and a linear. What a difference that made. I’m now getting a third more production from the ground. The heavier soil will even grow twice as much. And it is so nice to be able to turn it on with your phone. Wouldn’t ever go back to flooding. I still have to flood my meadows and other farm ground on other systems. We take water out of a river and then it is split into 17 different canal company’s. Much of the system goes through and major city and so the government wants all the companies to go pressurized. The savings on the amount of water used is at least %30-40 saving. We used a lot of water last year and we only used about half of what we had a right to use. That means we can use that water on ground that we haven’t water ever. It is such a great blessing. The savings alone will help pay for the system. The old open canal system was started in 1907. It had been that way since two years ago. We had our detractors that wanted nothing to do with it. Me being on the end of the canal was always short of water because of theft. A few that were at the head of the canal would take twice as much water than the had a right to take. I owned one tenth of the rights and yet got less water. I was always shutting down neighbors head gates and passing them off. It was a very poorly run company. Before we went pressurized we finally got enough younger board members in there and I was finally getting a more stable stream. There was three other canal companies that were above us that would allow week end waterers. We put a stop to that as well. We are the only canal company that has gone pressurized. And it has still worked out great. We have had to put in four big electric pumps and have not had to run all four at once yet. When the whole system goes pressurized it will be gravity pressure. Anyway that’s all I have to say about that.
Awesome info!!!! Cool to hear about your family history with your great great great great grandfather helping to put in the canals/ditches!
Watching your videos makes me feel like I’m learning all over again. I was never fan of irrigation. But I did haul hay for Robert . And learned to drive hay squeeze. Fun times . Keep videos coming .
Haven’t heard from you in a while! Hope you’re doing great!
Thanks for doing this video! You've got a good setup there.
I've read about and seen flood irrigation that's more water-efficient than pivots.When its done right ,it's a thing of beauty.
You are 100% right!!
totally loved it i was so curious how that worked after seeing you with zach explaining it
That’s nice how you don’t have to have internal channels that you need to manage. In Australia we have a channels( in our area managed by a farmer owned private company) that deliver water to the meter on your farm. But from there you need to have your own channels to move water to the where you won’t too irrigate. The district does have have drainage systems but most most farmers with newer flood setups have there own recycle drains. This is so they can save the water if they do over irrigate they can repump into there systems. The district own drainage systems is only used in a flood. Thanks for the video
Benjamin Bauer we do have to change water all hours of the day and night. The district opens the main gate, but we have to do the rest.
This is so funny! I live in Oregon now, but before I was widowed, we had a house in Ajo. Every winter I would drive up and get hay from you guys! I miss those warm Arizona winters, you guys, and the Arizona Sweets that we would get from the orchard down the way. You hay was always the best!
Oh wow!
Your irrigation is a lot easier then ours! I mean I can control mine with my phone... but you never have to change a flat tire or gear box in 12ft corn in 100° heat with 90% humidity and mosquitoes so you win! Another great video!!
mark wohlert I would say, when pivots are working the way they should, they are easier. When they aren’t, they suck lol.
That's very true, because anytime I need water I just hit start!
mark wohlert but when things go bad, lol they really go bad! And expensive!!
Sell your pipes back to the company who sold them to you, and go back to flood irrigation!! Over head irrigation is ruining everything in the west...
@@JERFALCON flood irrigation will not work in Minnesota
Another benefit of flood irrigation, it is more environmentally friendly, no running pumps for pivots, less fossil fuel.
We called the waste water lazy man lake, because the irrigator was usually sleeping. Another great video.
Jennifer Travels but some could say we’re wasting water with flood irrigation. Pivots use less water, with proper management. We still use big pumps to get water out of the ground. Our irrigator runs around in a pickup burning fuel. But when you look at the overall footprint of agriculture and how much green we create, and the cooling effects from crops, and the oxygen the crops produce, the fossil fuels we use compared to the footprint are minuscule, compared to other industries.
Great video 👍 We produce baled hay and alfalfa in Alicante, Spain (a lot less than you though 😅 about 30,000 bales this year) and have exactly the same flood irrigation system. All our water is from reservoirs which either collect rain or more usually water tranfers through rivers and canals from northern Spain. Like you our water useage is closely monitored and we have to be a member of our local water co-op to access it - although once a member we can generally access as much as we need whenever we need ourselves (no need for the co-op to attend while we are irrigating). However increasingly in recent years lower rainfall both here and in the north of Spain has meant the reservoirs are often low and some areas are now effectively unable to access any flood irrigation at all. That is good for those of us who still have it (increased demand for our hay) but also very worrying for the future of agriculture in our region. It is a big contrast from where I used to farm in the UK, where our biggest problem was normally too much rain! Always enjoy your videos - especially comparing the similarities and differences in how we do things. Keep up the great work, may your alfalfa be plentiful and your hay dry 😁👍
Localmotion that’s is so cool!!! I wasn’t sure where else people farmed like us!! We’ll have to stay in touch, if I ever make it that way, I would love to see it!!
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Your always welcome here anytime 👍
Hay baler from guatemala here! How often do you water the fields? How many inches? You only do it during dry months i assume.
Very informative, grew up on farm in IA. interesting to see how farming is done in AZ.
I live up here in the Central Valley of California and have always wondered about what it meant when they talk about water delivery . Thanks for showing how this is done.
Jeff Stewart thanks for watching!!
Verry interesting. Thanks for the great informative video. I always wondered about how this worked.
That’s a real interesting system. Never seen this kind of thing before. I wouldn’t know where to start working out what you would need. Cool. 👍👍👍👍🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Its very similar for rice fields
Completely different than MN farming! Love the videos! Keep them coming!
Nathan Cooper soooo different!
That was very interesting! Thanks for explaining how it works.
Wow,.....that is cool!!! For somebody like me, who has never had to worry about irrigation, the whole process is coming together to make sense. Thank You for explaining things. Lastly,.....was that a nice thing to do, eating a beautiful sandwich in front of us?!?! (Ha!Ha!)
It reminded me of when they flood the dry dock at the shipyard. It’s interesting to see how this is done since irrigation is not widely used in our state.
Awesome. Thanks again for describing your irrigation!
Perry Schultz of course!!
Very informative. Thank you. This reclaimed water probably has lots of nutrients it too.
Hasan Khan eehhhh It’s so salty.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Salty? Bummer! Doesn't that make your soil alkaline?
Hasan Khan yes
Nice Video Thanks for explaining the irrigation system
darran compton thank you for watching!
Enjoy your videos we are in mesilla valley NM where we got 14 inches water allotment this year.
Javier Medina that sucks. Sorry.
Where I live that is called border check irrigation. We row up and furrow irrigate corn, cotton and soybeans. In rice of course the levees are built on the contours. All of our farmland is precision leveled single plane. The slope varies from field to field from 0.15% to 0.05%, it all depends on the crop that will be grown there and how much the cost to level will be depending on the slope.
Your wife needs to make and sell those sandwiches to everyone and she could retire in a few years.
Great job and video. 👍👌
I lived in Phoenix for several years (stationed at Luke AFB) and always wondered how they managed those canals. I knew it was effluent water because I played a lot of golf and that’s what they use on many golf courses. Anybody that thinks this is wasting water doesn’t know what effluent is. Thanks for the explanation it was very interesting.
100% water in the desert is always a touchy subject. But you hit it on the head.
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Nice description of your system. Ours is similar up here but we are mostly circle, wheel lines and there is a small amount of rill irrigation left.
Lance Dever nice.
Great video. I have been waiting for this one for A while. I knew you would get to it at some point.
wingnutwelding thank you!!! We’re trying to keep up!!
Bales Hay Farm and Ranch vary impressive how it all works and how long the district has been around. The old timers where not afraid of a project back in the day that’s for sure!
wingnutwelding exactly. And how they surveyed the land to find the highest area to put the canal so the water ran down hill. They did a lot with very little.
Here in northern California, we call the borders checks, and the ports are called takeouts usually.
What is your timing on how often you irrigate? Or How many days between watering? And summer vs winter timing?
Very informative. Nice video!
Here is northern Ohio we use subsurface drainage because of our excess of water. Really cool to see how you guys manage water. All of our tile drainage used to be installed with laser and now we use GPS and water management software. Maybe there is software and tools available to help manage water the way you guys do.
Cree 54 I have a friend in MN that installs tile. That’s crazy to see.
That sandwich looked awesome.
They are!
Incredibly helpful. thank you!
Awesome video. A couple of questions: How wide are your borders? How long do you typically run your border for? What kind of soils do you have? Do you know how much flow in gallons per minute (gpm) you're putting on each border? Thanks ahead of Time. Keep up the great vids.
the laser beats the hell out of running around the field with corrugated steel trying to change water direction lol
rodney espinosa oh yes!! Keeps the field smoother too!!
Hey Trevor. Thanks for all of the work you put into the channel. I'm a big fan of AGvocacy! Couple water quality questions. Do you guys happen to take samples occasionally to check both the effluent and groundwater chemistry? Kinda curious what fertilizer value, if any, is provided from the city effluent and what degree of soil salinity you're dealing with from the groundwater.
Keep up the good work! Between you and Millennial Farmer, i'm on RUclips way too much!
Thank you. Those are good questions, and I have no clue. The irrigation district may do that. Our agronomist might as well. That’s one area of the farm I do not mess with.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Understandable. You've got enough on the dish to contend with. May be a good question to ask your CCA to keep him on his toes. Hay looks good regardless!
Awesome video, have y’all thought about purchasing a tanker and pumping all that excess water onto it or a couple of them and then setting that reclaimed water back onto the fields or storage tanks? I always heard the water is the biggest expense
Water is a HUGE expense. However, a tanker wouldn’t put a dent in it and it would make the water cost even more.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch ahh gotcha makes sense
I’m living in Oregon now, but when we spent the winters in Ajo, I always drove up and got my hay from you! It was always the best. I am flood irrigating my field here. It is not level and floods everything except where I want it. Is it worth disking and leveling a 1 acre pasture? The rest of the property gets water as it should. Or should I just get a box and level without loosening the soil up. I think I would get a better pasture if I did. Thank you. I miss Buckeye!
Oh man! Not many people know about Ajo. Well, I hate to give you this answer. But without seeing the property. It’s really hard to say what the correct answer is.
Another grate video thank you. Now i see how important it is to get all the fields level. Is there any way you can capture the excess water from the fields and pump it to a place where you can reuse it? Just curious that's all I hope you don't mind me asking. Looking forward to seeing the next instalment. Take care Regards Richard.
Richard Surtees yes, and a lot of other farmers to it none of our fields are set up that way, but it’s something we are looking into.
Love your channel I have been trying to plant a circle of hay every year totally different from your flood. You mentioned that the water run off is paid for and a loss could you build a tail water pit and pump excess water back up to top of field? Kind of recycle?
matt m yes, exactly. Some fields it makes sense, like if you had several hundred acres stacked up, so their run off all went the same way. But on a small acres, it wouldn’t be very cost effective.
Wow that's interesting, they metre ours with a wheel with a counter on it. I'm in Harvey, Western Australia.
Wow, awesome system. What is the average time frame or how long does the field remain flooded depending on temperature, wind, etc before the water is all absorbed in the soil?
Lori Torrance that’s sooo hard to say, for the reasons you said, plus the steepness of the field, the soil type, and the age, and size of the existing crop and time of year.
Here in Pennsylvania when we have surface flooding from natural weather events, we worry about loss of seeds/plants from wash out & decay, so as cool as your irrigation system is, it is slightly unsettling to see alfalfa fields flooded like rice paddies on purpose. That is why I wondered how long fields were under water each time.
Lori Torrance ahhh. It’s not very long.
Very interesting thanks for sharing 👍
Hi from Queen Creek...…. Great video! Assuming you get 8-10 cuts per year have you ever estimated how many 3 string bales you get from an acre per year.
Like a billion!! Eehhh kinda. We know total tons. Then I just do an average bale weight and get a very good estimate.
Very interesting video. So does it just get floooded once till it gets cut?
Skidder Kev once or twice. We prefer twice.
Thank you for teaching us this, God Bless You Forever :=)
Neat video, interesting to watch how you guys farm in such a dry environment. What's your average rain fall per year? And what months do you get most of the rain?
JTN FisherMan about 6 inches right here. And through the monsoon and winter. This time a few years ago, we go 6 inches in 1 night!!!
That is fairly incredible to see for a Midwest boy. Any idea what the evaparation rate is on the water you are paying for? Typically wastewater treatment plant discharges are technically drinkable in the midwest. I am wondering if that is the same kind of water you see transmitted in Florida in the pinkish purple pipes...must be. Thanks for this, keep it up find your operation very interesting.
I’m not sure what the evaporation is. I could probably look it up. I’m not sure about the water. I know it goes through a treatment plant.
Have you ever had to irrigate with 6 inch tubes? Used to irrigate about 400 acres with them. Hardest work I've ever done. My neighbor thinks all teenagers should have to do some form of flood irrigation to teach good work ethic. Frikin' laser beams!
Redneckolympics! Oh yes!! We had 1,000 acres that was all irrigated that way. Siphon tubes. I think that’s spelt right.
Thanks for sharing! Can you please teach us how it affects other farmers downstream when you block the water in the canals when you do your irrigation? Do you have to coordinate with other farmers? If you have your own canal and don't have to worry about this, does every farmer have their own? If not, how do they coordinate? Also, can you explain a little better how they measure the water that you use? You mentioned briefly but it's not clear. Do they keep coming by to look at that "ruler?" Also, since the water is just flowing, I don't know how the water level on that "ruler" would get lower. Lastly, why are some of the canals always dry? Thanks
Sorry for the late response! There is an irrigation district. They coordinate everything.
That was a good video. Thanks.
Thank you!
Good video do you have any poultry houses in your area?? you could use the used poultry litter for fertilizer .. Also do you clean out your cattle pens and put the manure on your hay fields ? like other people do on there corn in the fall after harvest.
Yes there is! And we use their stuff sometimes. And yes we do.
I worked for SCS for three summers: Chandler, Buckeye, Wellton-Mohawk (were we designed level borders).
"Flood" irrigation implies to me a poorer designed fields than you have. The general name is Surface Irrigation. Yours is border irrigation or level border irrigation.
Suggest you automate your valving, as is done in Wellton-Mohawk.
If automated, you can more easily use surge irrigation, to improve your uniformity, especially for the first irrigations after tillage.
@@engelag umm. Maybe in some areas. Every region uses terms different. So flood is the term we use here.
@@engelag and really, any form of irrigation above ground is “surface” irrigation. Ours happens to be flood.
Have you ever looked at sub-terrain irrigation. Do you inject fertilizer to your water as you irrigate
Joe B Griffin yes. Very expensive, we have lots of gophers, and the yields are very good, which can be a negative as well. I know several guys with subsurface drip.
Plus the fact that , pivots require some type of power to pump the water from then on .
Bingo.
What fertilizer you've to use to feed this giant field!!. Thanks for sharing .👍
I’m not sure. I’ll have to check! Cow poo for one. But chemicals too.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch 10-4 Thanks.
Thank you for the great content 🙏 what's the maximum length on your border (strips)? And what slope %
I guess a mile would be the most. We don’t have anything over 1/4 mile. The steepest we have is .8
thank you for the answer chief. for the width of the borders, did you say something like 120ft?
Do you ever fish the canal, what type of fish and how big do they get ? I know you can't eat them, but just to go fishing. Thanks.
august people do, they aren’t supposed to. Liability purposes. It can be dangerous. I’ve seen cat fish and carp I think. I don’t know, pretty big. Plus they stock the canal with fish so they eat moss and help keep it clean.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch, Excellent, thanks.
Do you plant the alfalfa seed after an irrigation? Then will it have enough growth when another flood irrigation is needed? Interesting how you irrigate, we have mostly center pivots here in Eastern Washington.
Lou L. We plant before irrigation. When it’s dry.
Those are some water rights . . . eight (8) feet. Impressive.
8 acre feet? is that not one foot on 8 acres or 8 feet on one acre acre ft a concept of volume?
@@daleholmgren8385 8 ft per acre which is a lot of water. Lots of California farmers are only getting 2.5 acre feet this year with isn’t enough to grow many crops
@@daleholmgren8385 one acre foot is enough water to cover an acre 1 foot deep
Congratulations
That awesome we farm similarly in Colorado. Approximately what do you guys pay for an acer foot?
This area $35. Others $70 and some as high as $80
All this time I thought you used the laser so much because they were cool and it’s fun to say laser!!🤣🤣 Very cool how even that water runs down the field. How often do you have to irrigate? I know that’s a broad question, just a general idea?
Brenton Medders we try to get two irrigation’s between cuttings. But it doesn’t always happen.
Bales Hay Farm and Ranch cool, thanks!!!
If you don't use your allotment of water one year can you carry the surplus over for use next year?
madfarmer912 dave that’s a good question. I don’t think so.
Thanks for good video
Just another day on the farm.
that water is likely safe to drink after its been put through treatment plant. i wouldn't want to drink it but you could. i think in some places they put treated water back into the drinking supply
Last year I’ve must’ve killed 300 gophers with a shovel. This year I started using two GopherHawks since June and so far gotten 53. Very pleased with the traps!
Elvis Barcellos I hate them!!! I hate hate hate them!!!
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch What do you do to control gophers?
Derek Comstock oh my gosh, a shovel!!! I hate them, not enough. That’s for sure.
Sandwich looked really good what's all in it
That is fascinating.
Brian Barnes thank you.
Can I ask,,is there a gradient on your fields ? to getting them to flow ?
Who did you use for laser leveling? I'm looking to get my backyard fixed for irrigation
We do it ourselves.
In California we run tail water recovery system to catch an reuse all are tail water
Mario Buoni nice! A lot of guys do here as well. They put big sumps at the lower end of multiple fields, then pump it back.
I'm guessing that the Irrigator is not your direct employee. Does the person work for the irrigation district or an independent contractor?
Is irrigation tape an option for your operation?
I was out driving along Broadway or Southern (?) a couple of years ago. I could have sworn a farm was harvesting carrots or some other root vegetable. So I imagine they're not using the same water source as you (91st Ave reclamation plant)? Would they be using all groundwater or water from another district? Is Roosevelt Canal in a different district? I traced that canal all the way back to 27th Av and Lower Buckeye by the other wastewater treatment plant near downtown Phx. So probably not that one either. Beardsley Canal?
Thanks
Roosevelt is different. There are guys that do onions in that area. I think I’ve seen them do carrots too maybe.
I used to drive for aldecoa hay trucking we got all our hay from welton from Perry Hielman I bet your dad will know him
Do you have computer programs or apps for your phones that help you make the calculations and the timings of the flooding process? Does this process also require middle of night work to turn the water off or on?
hardlyableacres/rsh nope, a lot of the timing depends on our neighbors. We can’t go off a set schedule. We make a schedule and try to stay close to it. But there are so many variables that change the rate the water flows, and when we get it. At this point there is not app. The district does use a computer though.
Not sure if this has been asked or maybe you explained this. But is there a way to reclaim any tail water instead of letting it go to the river?
Brian Rett oh yeah, guys that can afford it, put big sump ponds in the end of several fields and the collect all the run off. But then they need a large pump and pipe system to get the water back up to the top. It works well for guys with several hundred or thousands of acres close by. Unfortunately my farm is very spread out and it wouldn’t work
Thanks for the reply, I’m from MI so how you guys manage water is interesting, since you have a completely different situation than us; it’s fun to learn. Does the district you filmed in have those sumps? Or is that something that would have to be cost shared with other producers in that area?
Brian Rett they are on private farms. I’m not sure of any district or shared sumps. The farmer already paid for the water. So it would be difficult to figure that.
Dear Sir
I have question please
You have mentioned in the video that you are using soil pan as I understood to stabilize the seed during flood Irregation until it start germinating
Can you please send me the exact name or the web site where we can buy it
Thank you
We get 3 acre ft per year. Do y’all experience any salt issues with your water?
Oh yeah, very very salty!!
@treveorbales Why wouldn't you have a pump and pump your overflow water back to the top of the next field or cell and get all the use out of the water you are paying for?
It would be extremely expensive. Some guys do do that. It works well when you have several hundred acres close by. Unfortunately ours is spread around too much. It wouldn’t work.
I remember few years back when they were cracking down on people wasting water here in CA for a week straight one news channel i used to watch out of L.A. kept going on about farms here in our valley was wasting water on farm land. So every day for a solid month i kept posting water main breaks that would run half the day in or around L.A. i.e. urban areas with only captioned what crops you guys watering or how many time you guys water your asphalt a year our town is trying to grow a few roads and we are new to it. Lol
Tyler dunning it’s sooo politicized with lies and not accurate information. It’s sooo frustrating. People have been farming places over 100 years, water shortages were never a problem. But now big cities, swimming pools, massive yards, golf courses, and parks can just run sprinklers, and like you said, cities can ignore broken water lines. It’s stupid. The news needs a bad guy, it’s easy to pick on the 1%.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch i was pissed cause alot of our farms had land sitting empty so our water District could send water west towards Indio and Palm Springs but they don't understand the effects of when farms as a collective don't meet the markets needs other than farmers loses money
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch or i sat and talked with a older farmer here and he said like you did there has always been droughts here and there its nothing new
Tyler dunning yup.
Tyler dunning oh yeah. And CA is the bread basket of the US. It’s amazing what CA can and does produce. No one knows, no one cares to know. It’s sad.
Can you please tell me why there is no wild brush left on these farms? 10 years ago there was brush and shade for the water along a lot of the canals. Everyone is going to “over head irrigation” which allows way more evaporation...
Trees, and shrub cover brings in minks and hawks that would fight off your gopher problems btw. Stay eco friendly as best you can. Stoked you’re still flood irrigating
That’s not true at all here. We have to keep the canal banks clean. Letting the wild brush grow causes problems. Plugs ups = blow out in canal. More places for rodents to burrow = blow out in canal. Tree root systems cause canal walls to cave in = canal blow out. There are many many many examples of that happening up and down this canal. There is a River bottom less than a mile away with LOTS and LOTS of birds of pray. There are even several bald Eagle families around. Keeping the canal and ditch banks clean from brush is a top priority. The more blow outs, the more wasted water. And we are on strict water use. We have our future in mind and want to farm another hundred years in this valley. Ironically, most of the brush in this area isn’t even native to AZ. Which brings a whole new argument! The River used to flow, now it doesn’t. Thanks to the government. Anyways.... thanks for watching!!!
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch I’ve always been taught that vegetation and roots prevent soil erosion, shade to prevent evaporation, wind barriers and structure for river banks. The river doesn’t flow cause there’s none returning to the aquifers. Have you seen the study’s on soil health and biomass? Thanks for making these videos, we’ve been wondering why the lands have changed so much... where all the wildlife has gone. takes 30+ years for natural vegetation to undo one pass with the blade... and you’re correct cheat grass and other non native opportunists are first to move in.
@@JERFALCON you would think. And the root systems sometimes help. Sometimes. But there are some big cotton woods close by. And where they are, the bank is always thinning and being fixed. Down here they brought in Salt Cedar trees to help “slow” the water down in the river. Unfortunately, that tree drinks gallons upon gallons of water daily. Now these trees are EVERYWHERE, yes it provides places for animals, but it’s also extremely invasive and killed out the big cotton wood trees.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch science doesn’t lie. What you’re saying is, you’re at war with nature instead of using it to help you... :/
Could you use a traveling irrigation gun and pump from canal?
Some guys do. My father in law has something like that for his drip irrigation. I need to go see it run.
Prob good thing you don’t pump water . I’m not sure about the long term effects of that ? And using reclaimed water is a good thing . Is that the right wording??
Arizona Kid with proper water management, either way is ok.
Bales Hay Farm and Ranch I honestly don’t know much about it . Was just guessing. I figured you’d set me straight 😉
How long does the water sit on the field Trevor
Not long. The top of the Ford where the water starts is longer. All the water has to flow past the top. So up at the top. 2 hours to 2.5. Depending on the time is takes to irrigate each border. And the bottom, 30 mins maybe.
Great video! I like the focus on applied life skills.
Wanted to ask...
How hard is it to connect fields to irrigation that haven't ever been on one before? Is this hard?
Typically how much do you pay per acre per year for irrigation water? And is that typical for most western states?
And when you are figuring out if you are hitting your goals, are you shooting for hours of water penetration? Or just raw water per feet, or something else to figure out if you are penetrating the field?
And how do you make sure the field stays level? Do you have to fix this every year?
Lots of great questions. We pay by acre foot for water. But go back to the laser video. That talks about all these things.
Never seen anything like the very cool!
Jo i ftom SouthAfrica i love that i wish i can farm there l farm here also produce lusern on small scale with sunpumps
What’s the additive you use to control soil erosion? Maybe share a link please?
Anthony Smith look up Soilpam erosion control or Brant Soilstay. Those are the two brands I know of.
Hello! Would you or anyone you know happen to know what type of irrigation system would be best (or what most people use around here) for 20-30 acres of horse grazing pasture, with a well, in this climate and area? May be installed from scratch and just doing homework before buying land to estimate cost if we have to install a system and what systems to look into. Thanks!
It depends on sooo much. You need to talk to a horse property real estate person.
Doensnt the high side of the field get more water then the low side?
Rik Ham eehhh. Kinda, but not enough to make a difference
See if you can get a ride-a-long with your Zanjero.
You get 2,608,000 gallons of water for how many acres? In an ideal year, how many inches of water per acre would produce the best results?
A year we have a good amount of water. We are allowed 8 acre foot of water per acre. On a great producing field we’d get 9 to 10 tons off that acre in the same year.
All the excess water running into the drainage ditch and back into the river doesn't it's take all the fertiliser and chemicals with it? Just wondering
They test it, it takes very very small amounts. Not enough to effect anything.
Thank you for explaining no electricity to pump water nice cost. Effective
Lots of electricity.
You said the groundwater is extremely salty, so its still good for the alfalfa?
Jesus Martinez yes and no. Some areas the alfalfa dies. We have to run a lot of acid to help push the salts down into the soil.
@Jesus Martinez
We have places like this in my state.
They can fix that by salt settling pools to let the salinity drop in before it goes into the fields.
I forgot the name of the terms for it. But they do this in places like Delta, Utah and have been doing it for a long time. And the crop still works out well.
how do you manage water cost/management when a neighbor uses the same lateral?
It is planned and there are measuring sticks on the sides of the ditch leading to the field. It’s all based on time and inches of water in the ditch
What implement do you use to make the boarders?
How come you don't use hay ropes ro tie down?
Steve Avila we use 4 inch straps instead. Safer and faster.
8 af per year per acre is equivalent to 96 inches of rain in the desert. Thanks to the U S tax payers who paid for the dams and reservoirs thus providing reliable source of water.
John Dantice well, oh yeah, and the land owners pay the most taxes. Can you imagine paying property tax on 500, 1,000, or 5,000 acres?
Where can one purchase soil pan?
david baca I guess it’s soilpam lol. My wife corrected me. I’m not sure. I think our PCA gets it for us.
Thanks
How would they get the fields perfectly level before the leaser
In the past? They wouldn’t. They would flood much smaller areas and use the dirt to divert the water to high spots.