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Jim Cornette Ranks The Best Worst Wrestlers
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2021
- From Episode 213 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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My grandpa watched wwf with me in the early 90's one time. I went nuts when Hulk came out and my grandpa no sold him. All he said was "Bobo Brazil would beat his a$$". As a kid I thought he was an idiot but as an adult, and after watching Bobo, my grandpa was dead right. Bobo was a killer and charismatic as hell. We're from Michigan and apparently my grandpa went to every Bobo match he could go to. Miss you gramps!
My grandpa used to give me crap about watching.. he'd say, "why are all those guys in their underwear fighting over a belt? That rasslin shit is fake" turns out it was and he never made more since 🤣🤣🤣 I still watched and loved it till a few years back. Appreciate the story bro. That makes it all better when you have a good one! Bobo was the man from old tapes I've seen
@@dannymcelroy922
Hell yeah, your grandpa rules.
@Charles T
I got into wrestling in the early 90s and I too used to watch it with my grandad. Back then(and being from the UK) I didn't have SKY TV so me and my grandad watched the same three VHS tapes over and over again. Summerslam 1992, Hulk Hogan Real American and Hulkamania:Best of Hulk Hogan.
Emphasis on "dead right"?
Bobo Brazil was great watch his work with lawler
Goldberg in his prime could do some amazing shit. The back flip to avoid the Glacier legsweep is one of my favorite wrestling spots ever.
And in almost every match someone got hurt... fortunately half the time it was Goldberg, but he was a dangerous and reckless performer.
@@Rodshark75 oh yeah, fuck Goldberg dude, but he had some juice for sure. They didn't just anoint him willy nilly, but he never grew. He still was a hell of a specimen. He could've been a good three times a year attraction if things were booked that way.
@@josephrother7950 imagine if he'd trained for another year. He'd have been ten times better.
@@SRG1966 He could have been one of the best ever, and some might argue he was already, but he just had all of the potential in the world.
@@josephrother7950 he had the look and the personality. Imagine if he had the tech chops of a Bret Hart.
Warrior No. 5 is what you would get if Ultimate Warrior sang some Lou Bega.
A lil bit of hogan for the press, a lil bit of savage for the splash...
@ PAPA NOEL LMAO 😂😆🤣
Big pop for this 😂😂
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@@papanoel3999 why do I hear this in my head.
Cornette never passes up an opportunity to bury the Ultimate Warrior. 😂
Bad wrestler, even worse person.
@drmurde55 You haven't seen his Dark Side of the Ring episode yet?
@drmurde55 ha, just like the Cornette haters to get teary eyed because they think he's mean while defending a man who used the phrase "queering doesn't make the world work". Keep up the righteous work.
@drmurde55 do you honestly never look at yourself in the mirror and contemplate how pathetic your need for validation in life by trolling on the internet is? I'd be devastated if I was that bored.
@@Devoguy Bad wrestler...yes, but if you think he was a bad person than you need to get out of your moms basement! maybe watch the news some night.
Shane O'Mac is the best "can't work don't care" performer.
Goldberg
@@zanderman8831 Goldberg isn't dancing to the ring and jumping off hell in the cell
Shane has had some alright matches. And his match with Kurt Angle at KOR 2001 was a match of the year contender in terms of WWE.
Hogan's Japan matches were a good example of how he was able to prove he could work. The taunting & muscles wasn't what got completely over. You actually needed to put a full on competitive performance on. Hogan was capable of it. In America, nah not so much, he had more control over the matches and didn't have to do as much. His Japan matches are great.
Were they that great though of were they just not rotten 🤷♂️
I've been hearing this for years. Hogan's "technical prowess", as seen in Japan must, I guess, look so much better than his awful punches to some people that he gets more credit than he deserves. What Japanese audiences saw out of him was nothing a three month student in any decent wrestling school doesn't know. His "best", technically speaking, is absolutely unremarkably basic 101 rookie trainee stuff.
Hogan knew that in America character was more important than in ring work.
From what I've seen of his Japan stuff, I'm not impressed. He did more moves but they looked like crap.
He was baffled while trying to do an armbar for nearly 10 seconds. That was pretty funny at least.
@@Fantasy_Flan change "America" to "WWF" and I agree. Southern crowds knew he was the shits in the ring.
People give Hulk Hogan grief about being a bad wrestler but he looked very safe, was super over. I honestly would rather work with Hulk than any new guy of today.
Do you wrestle?
Definitely. And you'd get paid a lot more too
Watch him go in Japan, he could go
You'd rather work with Hulk than ANY wrestler today? Hot take lol
@Shiny101 Between the money, easy matches and huge crowds absolutely.
Hogan could work, watch his Japan matches. He was doing inziguris over there. It's just all he needed in the US was hulk up, bodyslam, big boot and leg drop and the fans went nuts
I think they were letting him do those moves...looked very choreographed..
What made Hogan great was the fact that he did so much by doing so little.
Inziguris mean great work? 😂😂😂
@@brandonritchey484 all wrestling is choreographed
Lol don’t forget the hulk up. That shit was GOLD for us!
Hulk Hogan isn't the best wrestler, but he is Bret Hart compared to those other four.
😂
I agree his match with The Rock is one of the best of all time. Just for that his doesn't belong on this list.
I absolutely love Jim’s answers to these types of questions
Wow. Big Bad John is some real deep cut stuff. Never heard of him and even the internet has barely anything about him. When Corny dies a ton of wrestling history will be lost with him.
When Jim mentioned Lamar Jackson I was like, how does Jim even know who that is 😂
Vince vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania 19 was the best match at that stacked Mania. IMO. Just for the fact they are the two most made guys in wrestling, and they didn't need to, but they just beat themselves to hell in that match for our amusement. Talk about working the crowd too.
He stole 2 mania's in a row the one with the rock was the year before
@@Mr.GoldCoast516 the only actual downright bad mania match he even had was Sid. All the rest were novelty good, or entertaining, or good, and Vince, savage, warrior, and rock were all time greats. I think people conflate their personal problems with Terry and the Character of Hulk too much when assessing Hulk. IMO
almost as if psychology is as big of a part of a wrestling match as the moves
@@bigsteve8921 what about his "match" against Yokozuna at WrestleMania 9?
@@BretGriffis that was more of a spot really not an actual match. Now the KOTR where he let Yoku beat the crap out of him and made Yoko look like a million bucks and be the guy who drove off Hogan was good
Love the artwork again. Hogan looks genuinely grateful. Can’t tell if he’s happy at being voted best worker out of a group of shlubs, or happy that Jim’s on TRT, but whatever…
Lex Luger probably the best worst wrestler. Hes good enough to not be terrible, but bad enough that he is awkward and always funny to watch. His selling and facial expressions were always hilarious.
His punches and kicks were dogshit too.
Bret hart had almost no expressions on his face. Plus Brets selling was so bad. He didnt know how to act.
Luger was not technical wrestler but had much better personality than Boring Bret hart.
Lex was awful. The way he sold kicks was comedy and tragedy.
@@bourbon646 wat?
@@bourbon646 lmao no one agrees with you. But I respect the troll attempt very rare for people to talk about brets in ring skills in a negative light.
Someone finally found a way to get Mr. Jim to say that Hogan was the best worker. Never thought I would hear it.
Listen to his review of Hogan/Rock at WrestleMania. He puts Hulk over strong.
Mostly because he had to put the Warrior last lol (which I would given those choices)
The most passionately I ever heard Corny speak about Hogan was when he joined WWE and did a big rant on how Hulk Hogan was crap, when they did the Huckster and Nacho Man skits. Along the lines of 'Hulk Hogan may be a household name, but so is garbage.' Anyone remember when he said that?
Essentially, Corny dislikes Hogan a lot but hates Warrior, so he'll give Hogan credit in areas he can't deny (drawing power, charisma) but bash him in all others. He'll put Hulk above Warrior but it's only because Warrior is dead last to him.
I would like to add Big Daddy to the list. I think Mr Crabtree did more for my generation in the UK liking American Wrestling after having to watch him waddle on ITV in the early 80’s. Hogan looked like Rudolph Nureyev compared to Shirley.
I think you could Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks to this list.
Big Daddy did literally nothing in the ring but was as over there as Hogan was in the USA. There's just some people that can do that magically, and he was one.
Man, he was the absolute drizzling shits, but the crowds loved him. I got the WoS DVDs some years back, but found them virtually unwatchable, as most of the focus, unsurprisingly, was on the big names. The ones that mostly stank.
@@johnafirth That is because Shirley Crabtree was the brother of Max Crabtree who ran Joint Promotions, the whole ethos of that promotion was based around the charisma of "Big Daddy" aka the Battling Guardsman.
The sad thing is that the promotion had great workers, but because of the fact that Max gave the kudos to Shirley the younger wrestlers rarely got a break and moved on. Max was also a cheapskate who would only pay guys £5 to take the Big Daddy Splash so you had talent who knew that working with Shirley was a sure fire way to a beating as the babyface in peril from some seriously big guys.
nowadays a crap wrestler still TRIES to do moves like flips and endless wrestling moves instead of improving on his/her psychology to be much effective inside the ring
Let’s just put it this way the crowd came to see Ultimate Warrior not Ricky Steamboat.
There’s more to wrestling than being a good worker.
I'd rather Steamboat because at least he knows what the hell he's doing in the ring.
@@RDSArcade you're missing his point. Steamboat pissed all over warrior as a worker. But it wasn't all about that, especially in those days.
That's why Machoman and Piper are the Goats in my opinion. They were great workers, and also has the mic skills and charisma that had tens of millions of people rushing to see them, whether faces or heels, and whether or not they were champions.
That was the greatest advertising for fantasy foozeball I've ever heard.
Hogan might want to sue over the drawing depicting his massive baldness.
Corney's delivery is the most entertaining thing I've ever listened to.
Hogan wasn’t much of a worker but still had one of the best matches of all time vs The Rock. Never seen an audience so engaged. Phenomenal story telling
Definitely my favorite match of all time
Still say Randy had him beat in the 80's in both matches during there feud. Hogan was terrible wrestler. I liked the heals myself.
That match sucked Loll maybe the worst rock matches
@@Jasonic7692 clueless
He was an incredible worker.
While I like listening to Cornette's thoughts and memories of his life in wrestling (its professional wrestling, not sports entertainment) ... sometimes its the art work that gets me to click. Whoever does it all is talented and should be congratulated for their work 👏
Am I too late to Post Eva Marie as My Entry?!… 👀
Hogan was a good worker. If he was in there with a good worker his matches were solid examples include Mr. Wonderful Harley Race Savage Mr. Perfect Masked Superstar Million Dollar Man and so on. If it was vs a 400 plus pound monster like Bundy One Man Gang Kamala Andre etc. of course it is not going to be a technical masterpiece.
Saying the word worker twice in the first sentence is embarrassing 😳. Kids in 85 rooted for Hogan to " win " 🏆 , completely oblivious to the word " working " .
Plus if you were even alive for Mania 2 or 3 , the general consensus was that Hogan might not " win " . Mania 3 made mainstream news with Vegas betting odds . Nobody alive was using insider lingo except the wrestlers and even my dad and uncle watched Hogan vs Andre
@@jeffmac9642 Might want to learn to read correctly. I used the word worker once in my first sentence, and again in my second sentence.
@@johneaston918 Which is even more REDICULOUS because it's double the effort using two sentences. If you were at my house in 86 watching cartoons and wrestling and said worker , I would have told my mom you picked your nose and tried to rub it on the wall behind the sofa 🛋 and she would have sent you home 🏡.
@@jeffmac9642 This isn't 1986 it's 2021 and we are looking back at what happened in the past as adult men. Well at least I am. We are not kids anymore. We are listening to a podcast about wrestling's past.
You can be the crappiest wrestler but if the people love you that means you're over and when your over you're making the company business and when you're making a company business you be making the money.
And how many really good technical wrestlers came down the pike that were boring as hell? Plenty.
@@Jlawson310
I don't even understand the question!!!
Tearing Hulk down doesn't elevate Chris Benoit or Candido or Hero or Sabin or Daniels
@@darrengordon-hill my point is that Hogan was better than them and didn't do all the fancy wrestling moves.
@@Jlawson310 No Hogan was not better than them. Technically you can be a great wrestler but the guys like Hogan or Rock were package. Thy means business and business means attracting peoples and blasting the rattings.
@@Jlawson310 Hogan is cringy as f.
Vince led by example. There were times where Vince worked and cut promos better than the entire roster. If only for that night.
Vince god damn got on top of the Hell in a Cell and took a back fall off of it, just to show Rikishi that he would be fine doing it.......Not to mention all those matches where Vince let Austin kick the shit out of him and continually take hits with chairs to help the business, Austin and the story. Vince has never claimed to be a wrestler, but would do what needed to be done.
Vince is the greatest heel of all time
@@J.D.1. I can agree on that. Nobody can get under people's skin like Vince.
The bump Vince took off the cage at St Valentines Day Massacre was insane
Warrior last over those names is the point where I cut the video off, yes you hated the Warrior, we get it.
Ridiculous nonsense from Jim.
Worst wrestlers??? People who drew lots of money are the "worst"?
Surely the worst wrestlers are the ones who were put on top, but couldn't make any money in that position?
Bret hart and Shawn Michaels
Harley Race in WWF was still pretty good. He had good matches with Hogan.
and King Tonga (Haku)
Hogan doesn't get enough credit in the ring. He was no Savage or Bret, but he was a solid worker. He could also sell, mount a great comeback, and work the crowd like few wrestlers ever could.
Hogan COULD work if he wanted too! He was trained in the Japanese style and could really go when he wanted to. Look at his matches from 1992-1993 in NJPW.
I'll argue Hogan is good in the ring, because anything he did popped the crowd, which is what pro wrestling all together is supposed to do
0:15 “Oh Good Lord “ 💀🤣
I’m no hulk fan, but I don’t think many of the genuine top guys had great working matches. When you get to the number one spot. You’re supposed to just deliver the highlights. They all do only 4-5 moves. Stone cold only did his Lou thesz press, his elbow drop, his mud stomping and his stunner. The rock only did his spine buster, his 4 punch combo, his ddt the sharpshooter and the rock bottom and people’s elbow. That’s it, all the matches were pretty much that.
You couldn’t be more wrong when it was regarding main event big matches and of course you ignore other tops guys like bret, savage, flair, von Eric’s, hbk, Kurt angle, Brock lesnar, cm punk and so many others.
@@pleaseshutup7053 I think, you should remove brock and punk from that list.
Brock, because he has limited moves as well (now, not before he left for ufc)
Punk, he does not belong in that list as a top guy
@@lsj6721 Brock first run. And his part time run he has moments of brilliance. Lmao cm punk not a type guy from 2011-2013 he was the Randy savage to cena hulk majority of that run out selling cena if you don’t believe me you can look it up. Please explain how punk wasn’t a top guy I’d really like to know. If you are the # 2 guy in any business you are a top guy don’t be a dumb hater.
Austin's style was hurt a lot due to his neck getting fucked up. He was a bit more versatile and varied before he broke his neck.
You named about 6 moves for The Rock. That alone says he was doing more than Hogan by a lot. Plus he did do more than that, those were just his highlight reel moves which yes every top guy relies on. At least those make for a versatile moveset, again waaaaay more than Hogan's.
The more sponsors Jim gets where he has no interest or clue in them, the better my life gets.
@Jae_732 That would be the holy grail.
I really don't have a clue anymore about what it is be a great worker and what a wrestler does or doesn't do that makes him or her a bad one. Too many contradictions. There's this established belief that Ric Flair was the greatest wrestler to lace up a pair of boots. Yet, for the majority of his career, he wrestled the same type of match, don't get me wrong, the matches themselves weren't identical, they were variations at times, but in a Flair match, generally you always going to see him do the same spots, like a rock n roll band playing their greatest hits. He rarely puts out anything new because as a sports entertainer, he has to do the spots that gets the crowd over. He has to do the chops, the flops, the backdrops, the slams off the top rope, if he doesn't do that, no one in the crowd would care. See, the fan base that watched wrestling in the 60's and 70's were losing interest and a Dory Funk, Jr vs Jack Brisco scientific match wasn't going to get the interest like it did before. The business needed over the top guys, like Dusty, like Terry Funk, like Piper, like Flair, like Hogan, and like Savage. It wasn't much their wrestling ability as it was their personality. They didn't need to be technically great as long as they were able to draw fans, which is what they did. And if that means always doing the same spots fans love, so be it.
Good Worker would be like AC/DC... yeah all their stuff is basically the same, but it is enjoyable and good musicians and you want to see it again and again. And you WANT to see the bread and butter of their performance. Ric Flair is kinda like that. He does the same match, but it is competently done, looks believable for the most part, no one gets hurt, and it is enjoyable.
While a bad worker is Meghan Trainor... they might try different things, maybe they can play, but it sucks and no one wants to see it really.
I'm hoping including Savage in your group of mostly good on the Mic as opposed to in ring. Savage is among the greatest in ring performers ever, and he's one of the best on the mic. Piper also was a solid wrestler.
Everytime Corny brings up Thunderbolt Patterson, it makes me think about him talking about that promo TBolt cut on Ole Anderson "OLE IF YOU MOVE.......!!!!! OOOOOOOOO IF YOU MOVE!!!!!!"
OOOO IM SO FULL… IM FULL UP TO HERE
My first thought was, "Would I put The Sheik on that list?" The Exalted and Noble One was a monster draw, scary as hell, a successful booker for about a decade, and was hardcore long before we used the term, but there isn't anyone in the business who would be calling him "a good worker".
Hogan is the best wrestler of all time. People say he couldn't do a lot but the things he did do got louder reactions than any 450 splash, Canadin destroyer or suicide dive. Wrestling is not about what you do it's about how meaningful you make it. Even today if you put Hogan in a match against Lashley on a PPV that would probably be the best match on the card. Hogan would know how to get sympathy from the audience and once he hit his comeback that arena would explode!
Agreed 100%! Wrestlers today with the exception of the Japanese, can’t sell shit! The matches are a race to the finish and they don’t sell shit. You’ll watch a small guy whose game is speed, high flying etc get his leg worked and two seconds later instead of selling it he’s more super human than hogan and they’re jumping off Titan tron or Cage to draw a cheap pop.
People can bitch about Warrior but I remember during his feud with sgt slaughter at the 1991 royal rumble savage clocking Warrior with the scepter and slaughter getting the win.
Today’s wrestlers want to do every single move they can. They seem to have forgotten its quality not quantity. It use to be wrestlers two or three big moves depending on who it was. Hogan’s where the big boot, body slam and leg drop. Warriors were the gorilla press and big splash, Jake Roberts had the short arm clothesline and DDT now they just run with everything they can do.
Lol best wrestler of all time is very insane. You can say that he has crowd control which was a product of the era. Stone cold had even more crowd control and still sells the most product today. Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle are on another planet when it comes to wrestling and have the mic skills and crowd reactions! Shawn is the greatest wrestler of all time and Stone cold is the greatest draw of all time.
@@matthewweiss8579 dude get out of here 😂 Stone Cold maybe? He sold his matches maybe as good as Hogan. But in the ring? What are you watching? 🙃 Shawn and Angle had amazing matches but like I said they had to kill their bodies to get half the pop that Hogan could get by literately doing nothing 🤦♂️
@@SonnyK248 Shawn is Mr wrestlemania, every match he is in has been good to all time best. Hogan has a bunch of terrible matches where he does his 5 moves and he was big in the 80s which was a different time where you get over just by your look. He had to leave WWE because he got stale, and even when he returned he had to be put in matches with people that can carry him like the rock, Shawn and angle. Hogan was a great draw for his time, stone cold was bigger and still gets the biggest pop to this day. John cena even carried WWE for longer than hogan did. Hogan is on the Mount Rushmore for popularity and pop but stone cold is still ahead of him and anyway hogan wrestling skill is 2 out of 5.
I remember hearing one of the classic wrestlers saying about Hulk that he didn't know a wrist lock from a wrist watch, but then added he had something others didn't. His panache and style was something that was one of those once in a lifetime people. Like Muhammad Ali, or Joe Louis.
Goldberg's stuff looked vicious, brutal and believable. Crazy Cornette doesn't use him as a poster child of what wrestling "should look like" today, considering how over Goldberg was from wrestling alone.
He had entire arenas chanting his name. Wisdom of the crowds I say!
Big Bad John has some great promos. He could've been a preacher, or cult leader.
I'd put Big Daddy in this category too! He was incredibly over in the UK but was a terrible wrestler (and that's an understatement)
He was good/competent back in the 50’s and 60’s.
Didn’t get famous until he was like 60.
Well over the hill in the ring, but what a gimmick. Loved it as a little child.
I attended Wrestlemania 6 & 7 in person and Warrior had good matches on both, he had good ones vs rick Rude as well
Mainly because Rick Rude carried Warrior throughout those matches.
@@RDSArcade are you saying Vince wasn't carried?
@@blueprint7 Vince could do the basics and was in shape. The warrior was in shape but could not do the basics.
Hogan and savage and rude carried warrior in the ring
Vince never did one wrestling move ffs ", knew the basics" stop trying to fit in with the iwc. Vince in no way shape or form was better in ring than Warrior ffs.
This thumbnail is everything.
"Oh good lord"
Classic Jim lol
Surprised George Gulas didn't get a mention here.
I'm old enough to have actually watched ol' George in the Jet Set days. It was....something.
Jim is probably like everyone else who saw ol' George; trying hard to forget he ever existed.
DFS in the UK is a company that sells poor quality furniture, mainly sofas, on credit
We can't all afford Barker Stonehouse my friend 😉
Hogan got to be the "best," and Vince got to be "not the worst."
Higa is so great that you move marks are still trying to tear him down while this results in none of your move marks faves becoming bigger stars....
Higan could work in japan watch his older matches from the 70s
Not for nothing but if you saw Hogan's work in Japan during his AWA days you'd change you mind on how bad of a ring worker he was. But in the states you didn't pay to see Hogan actually wrestle or throw drop kicks, you paid to see the 5 moves of doom.
Vince was not better them Warrior i disagree
Vince has a wrestling.background, warrior does not
@@melekelewis2945 that makes no sense at all Warrior was wrestling when Vince was a little kid and Vince just wrestled occasionally when he felt like it so what background does Vince have in wrestling. Did he ever hold any titles like Warrior did.... No he didnt
Glad to hear that Travis is getting better!
Warrior actually had good matches against Savage & Rude. Especially Summerslam in Wembley Stadium
Agreed, but the credit for that definitely goes to Savage and Rude for making those matches as good as they were. His Summerslam 89 match was by far his career best.
@@nickm2483 I agree 👍 but Warrior also contributed to those matches. Trust me, I've seen awesome wrestlers go against not so good wrestlers and they still can't put them over regardless of how skilled the wrestler is. Check Goldberg vs Regal
I know Andre the Giant wasn’t asked to do much and that’s what big guys did m. And he was probably top 3 at wrestling like a big man ever.
I saw pictures/video of him when he was younger and looked athletic, tall and thin. But by the time he was in WWF, he was alredy alitlle over weight and didn’t move well.
And I know it probably blasphemy but u would have to say Hogan was a better in ring wrestler than Andre too.
Andre was outstanding when he was younger. This is way before he went to WWF. And way before he had health issues.
Great Khali
Yup no debate
Strongbow stuck around at least 5 years longer than he should have. He should've retired after his feud with Greg Valentine. Or if not, then immediately after his feud in Georgia against Ernie Ladd.
Kevin Nash really missing from this list. Haha
Big sexy can work stop ✋🏽
@@pleaseshutup7053 "six moves and that's including the hair flip"
@@christophercomitini8619 😂😂😂
@@pleaseshutup7053 Kevin could only work with Bret. Bret made Kevin look a million Bucks.
He was bad, but not terrible imo.
Goldberg kicking Bret in the head makes him the worst. At Warrior didn't end any careers.
But he didn't make any either. And more often than not, sabotaged his own.
@@RDSArcade no he didn't but I would take Warrior v. Savage or Warrior v. Hulk at WM 6 over anything Goldberg did.
That's NOT how Hart got injured though.
When Bret did a ringpost figure-four on Goldberg, Hart whacked his own head. And that's what gave him the concussion.
Only smarks blame Goldberg.
@@danielburger1775 LMAO Bret blames Goldberg. Yeah I'm gonna take your word over Bret's.
@@christophercomitini8619 Go an watch the match yourself.
And Bret blames other people for everything. It's NEVER Bret's fault!
But, watch the Starrcade match. Watch when Bret does the ringpost figure-four.
Jim. I miss the old cartoonist. My ASD makes me fixate on the screen NOT being like it used to be.
Vince did not allow Hogan to wrestle his own style . Hogan can work , but being a superhero sold the tickest and gimmicks
Joe Scarpa (Strongbow) was born in 1928 and was 54 in 1982. He retired 5 years later at 59.
Hulk Hogan made fools of you guys that thought really good fake wrestling moves sold tickets, when it was about the entertainment, psychology, and selling all along.
I watched Bobo Brazil and Dick the Bruiser Jr at an indy show in Buchanan Michigan in the late 2000s. They had to have been in their 60s. I enjoyed the show regardless but crazy how some of these guys still try to go at that age. I get Sting is that age now but he only works so few matches now and even then, he seems to only do his stuff so he doesn't look like garbage. But if a mark billionaire wants to pay Sting a shit load of $ to occasionally wrestle, I don't blame Sting.
Ultimate warrior Chyna Goldberg have to be the top 3 maybe psycho Sid but I’ve heard people say he was a good worker. My personal favorite is The Great Khali lol I enjoyed him 06-08
Sid had someone that could sell and was a ring general like a Shawn or Bert he wasn't that bad.
Sid was not a good worker
"I’ve heard people say he was a good worker."
I've heard people call Yoko Ono a good singer. Sid was the shits in the ring and dangerous to work with, he injured multiple wrestlers. Sid looked good from the waist up (thanks to the pharmaceutical industry), was tall, and did unhinged shouty weirdo promos that occasionally actually made sense. That's it.
@@henrygvidonas9573 that’s a damn lie and a dated reference yoko ono really?
I always thought Jeff Jarrett was overrated
Same here. Never got his appeal at all.
Being from Memphis, his "appeal" was that his daddy was booking him. He was like George Gulas in Mid America; pushed to the top via nepotism and not because he was truly over. That said, he is competent and capable of putting on a solid match (or was, at any rate), unlike Gulas. You won't find a match where Jarrett was crying "Daddy said sell!" like you have with George. He just had all the personality of a piece of wet cardboard, and basically transitioned from wanting to be Ric Flair to wanting to be the Honky Tonk Man, and failing at both.
@@drg5352 Yeah, that was the weird part. Did he want to be Flair or Honky Tonk?
@@Batony To be fair, he could have just been ripping off Jackie Fargo instead of Flair, but since Flair ripped off Fargo too the line got kinda blurred.
@@drg5352 Flair ripped off Buddy Rogers. I wasn’t necessarily talking about the “Fargo strut”. In a way, it’s not a bad thing to copy legends, I just could never figure out who Jarrett’s character.
That looks like Randy Hogan
Didn't expect to hear a reference to the Ravens in a Jim Cornette video. Go Ravens!
0:07 - Wait is this "Maffew" from Botch-a-mania? New Botch-a-mania wrestler special?
jim cornette should try ranking the wrestlers by using a fan made tier list with scales from f e d c b a and wrestler's pictures on the bottom, all he had to do was to drag the picture of that wrestler to the tier and explaining why they're there.
I don't recall Vince being involved in any Match of the Year. The mindless hate for Warrior is pretty sad. We all know he wasn't a great worker. But, hearing guys like Jim rank him beneath Vince and Ross saying he was never around anyone as untalented as Warrior with guys like Giant Gonzalez, Khali, and Mabel around is ludicrous. Warrior had great matches with the likes of Hogan, Savage, Rude, DiBiase, Hennig, etc, and wrestled the best matches of Wrestlemania two years in a row. A total no-talent wouldn't have been capable of that no matter who their dancing partners were.
You can't claim Warrior v Hogan was a "great match" and expect to be taken seriously.
If Warrior had been the exact same worker but had far left ideas he'd be worshipped right now and put on the level of pre-October 2021 Flair.
@@HisDudeness316 It was Match of the Year in 1990. Don't be daft.
@@unclelloyd and Adele has won an award for "best album". It doesn't mean it's any good.
Warrior v Hogan was a huge event in front of a massive crowd, but it was a terrible match.
@@HisDudeness316 Wrong, but it's ok to be different.
Jerry Lawler. He would throw 100 punches and then do a pile driver.
Don't forget the flying punch from Bret's rope!
BRING BACK OLD THUMBNAILS!!! Start the revolution people!!!!
Relax man. The usual artist is taking some time off for his health.
Hogan is like Cena in that both could actually wrassle, but, their characters didn't call for it. Hogan's matches in Japan are the biggest proof for his technique, but, his matches in the late '90s with Hart threw fans for a loop in the audience. The one from Nitro you could tell Hart was dumbfounded lol.
I’m not gonna lie , the name “Thunderbolt “ Patterson might be my new favorite wrestling name ever
So then you´ll love that he is in the 2024 hall of fame class. Well deserved.
Jim looks like Johnny Cage in that thumbnail 😂
As a Mid-South kid, I cheered for the heels most of the time because JYD was so bad. I loved it when DiBiase turned heel on him and watched it multiple times on all the different affiliates that weekend. When Dog lost a loser leaves town match and came back as Stagger Lee, I was furious.
I haven't heard anyone who's hated JYD. He's not the greatest, faaaaaar from it but I don't think he's the worst ever.
What made you hate him so much if you don't mind asking? I was born too late to see JYD live so I'd like to know why you didn't like him.
Todd M. Lot of people loved JYD at Mid South, they loved JYD so much, I heard that many people threatened Dibiase over that backstabbing, that's how much he was loved.
@@SpiralPoliFemboy Come on. There’s only one reason anyone would’ve ever hated JYD. Maybe as a kid he wasn’t conscious of it, but…
@@SpiralPoliFemboy I think I was just at the age that I was being rebellious and DiBiase and the Rat Pack (Borne and Duggan) just seemed cooler at the time-like the Four Horsemen did a few years later. There weren’t too many baby faces I generally liked; for example Mr. Wrestling II just seemed like a crotchety old man to me at that point. Dog’s skills were starting to diminish and all he did was head butts and hip tosses it seemed. I did like Butch Reed as a face and heel.
@@vtmiller63 That explains it. Alright, just wanted to know. I can understand where you're coming from.
I don't understand how up hill can be a good thing myself,at work we alway's say "it's down hill from here" after midnight
Harley Race was the only person who could get a decent match out of Junkyard Dog .
Eva Marie
Cena needs a very specific type of opponent to bring the best outta him (Punk, Owens, AJ, Cesaro...)
It's the other way round. Cena brought the best of them.
lol
Cena was one of the best wrestlers and carried AJ and gave him his best WWE match. He carried Kevin owens in 2015 and made him popular. Punk was a piece of shit before facing Cena. Cena gave punk his 1st 5 star match in WWE.
@@bourbon646 Vey elebrate troll. Great job, I'm sure you'll get some people's blood boiling.
@@bourbon646 lmfao. Your joking right. Punk, Owen's, and AJ could wrestle circles around Cena long before they were even in the WWE. Cena is so overrated its not even funny.
@@bourbon646 "cena carried aj" you lost all credibility the moment you said that.
John cena is very overrated
Big Bad John from the hills of kentucky!
I remember Big Bad John wrestling for Gulas probably in 76.
Based on his ring psychology and ability to react as quickly and appropriately as he would, Hogan is pretty much the GOAT imo. Ya he's also probably the worlds largest cornball but I'm telling you it's true.
Yes! This is the type of content we need!! 😝
Goldberg on a 'Best Worst' wrestlers list??? lol. Only millennials would think that shit
I don’t know that sports entertainment actually beat wrestling. Wrestling beat itself. But with that said, WWE is making record profits putting on unwatchable TV, and money talks. You can hate the product, but if you’re making millions, you don’t care. It’s a business.
Roman Reigns is on the list. Cena too.
Cena is actually quite good.
Don't know about Roman Reigns though.
Hogan himself said he had 3 matches all about 10-20 min.
Mike Wayne and Steve Fuller were bad.....
Get well soon Travis. We miss the art for sure.
I know he was a legend and icon but Andre the Giant even in his younger healthier days was awful in the ring
you a dummy if you think that.Andre was far from Awful Only real wrestling experts understand how Andre was in the ring.WTxh Andre in 60s and 70s and real fans know
@@melekelewis2945 You will excuse me if I don't sweat criticism from somebody who starts a sentence you a dummy
I'm going to vehemently, yet respectfully disagree with you. Andre the Giant was an attraction, and not your typical worker, but he was amazing for his size and could have good matches with Japanese wrestlers, Harley Race, a heel Hulk Hogan and the list goes on.
Just watch him vs Stan Hansen from the late 70s/early 80s and you'll see why youre an idiot.
Yikes
I agree with Jim as usual. The thing is, though, Goldberg could prob legit whip Hogan..but Hogan WAS a more proficient bad wrestler.
I never understood how Hogan was so over. His in ring sucked, he was corny as hell, he sucked on the mic, the “Hulk up” is the dumbest shot ever. How was he so big?!
Hogan had a unique ability to work in ways other than wrestling ability. He had more decent matches than most guys like him
In order (ignoring thunderbolt as I've never seen him wrestle)
Best to worst:
Hogan
Warrior
Vince
Goldberg
Goldberg while he has the power and the look, was one of the unsafest workers in the history of wrestling, for the amount of people he put on the shelf, or nearly injured. The fact that he had opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to actually learn the craft, and he pretty much gave a middle finger to all of that just blows me away. He had everything else. He was over, he had the look, he had the presence, but his in-ring abilities were god awful.
Hogan on the other hand, was a pretty good worker outside of the States. In WWF and WCW he was paid to do the bare minimum. In New Japan he wasn't an amazing worker by any means, but his 6-7 moves of doom including hulking up, finger pointing and posing turned into something like 20 moves. Stuff you would never see him do in the States.
I agree with everything you said, bravo !
Better than warrior
@@chrischar9428 Warrior for all his garbage matches, never injured someone because he couldn't control his own strength. It would be one thing if he injured 1 person and then backtracked and learned his craft, but he injured multiple people. He was Nia Jax before Nia Jax was a thing. Except Bill actually looked credible.
Bret was only 1 of them. He also injured Scott Steiner breaking Steiners orbital bone.
I draw the line at injuring people.
Tex McKenzie was just clumsy as hell
This all depends really on your definition of what makes a bad wrestler. Fanboys these days think a good wrestler is someone who can run around the ring and do a hundred suplex variations or Flying Suicide Haveacoronas. But my definition of what makes a good wrestler isn't How much they can do but What can they do with what they got. Do they know the Fundamentals? Is their stuff neat and clean? Are they safe to work with? Can they run a 20 minute match and keep the fans attention throughout? Hogan was a Big Man who wrestled a Big Mans Match, in the US he gave the fans what they were expecting and what they were wanting from him, nobody would ever confuse him with Kurt Angle or Rey Misterio but he was a good wrestler. Now guys like Warrior or Junkyard Dog couldn't wrestle their way our of a paper bag but in their days they packed houses, Big Daddy Shirley Crabtree over in England was the same, even in the 50s when he was a freaking Bull he was no great hand but in the 70s he was the drizzling shits in the ring, but he packed the house.
Incidentally I do remember catching a video here of Big Bad John, doing an interview from Australia, he really was a damn good talker, almost Dusty level in fact. I heard he died in 1980 age 37, apparent liver failure.
I believe everyone who didn’t start watching wrestling in 2010s would agree with everything about this. Unfortunately there is a new breed of fans that like the omega and young bucks style. I don’t understand it but there are people out there who really believe omega is the greatest wrestler and and bucks are the best tag team.
@@pleaseshutup7053 I give Omega a bit of credit, yes he was terrible at the start, totally self-trained, and his match against the 9 year old girl was an embarrassment, but that match was a long time ago and his skills have improved significantly, he listened to the right people. I still don't like him, and he's far from the best in the world, but in terms of skill he ain't bad
@@FerretJohn I just don’t watch omega or bucks matches unless they are facing someone like Christian. That video game style is so boring that’s why I stopped going to Indy shows haven’t been to one in 10 years because on the west coast that’s the only style they got.
@@pleaseshutup7053 You have at least 2 promotions to blame for that: PWG and CHIKARA. (And coincidently enough, just give a quick look at AEW's roster and more than half of the non-wwe talent come from there. Just saying.) While ROH was trying to establish legit talents like Strong, Richards, Edwards and Jay Briscoe, and TNA was going through their 2nd monday night wars phase with Jeff Hardy, Mr Kennedy, Angle and Sting, these clowns from PWG and CHIKARA were just fucking around.
@@Ramekink you spot on I took my gf to a pwg event. Jessymun duke was there we got a pic with her. After the first match they legit got all repetitive then firs red flag Johnny gargano wife was in a mixed tag match during the match the dude puts her face in her crotch then Joey Ryan comes out I had no idea who he was he takes he lollipop gives it to a dude in the crowd then does his d flip schtick we end up leaving after seeing that haven’t been back since.