I mean it's still true. Maybe "cartoonish" wasn't the right word but he got boring. I did laugh at that statement regardless...as if Warrior wasn't a total cartoon come to life
Yeah but Cornette never got with the anti hero. Guys like Austin and Rock were anti heroes. Initially Austin was booed, then turned tweener then the Bret Hart double face heel change happened. Cornette hates tweeter. I dont know how he feels about territory face and heels. I.e. bret hart being a face in Canada but a huge heel in the usa.
@@TheFailedmessiah He hates the modern day "tweeners" that don't make any logical sense. But he also managed the Midnight Express against the Road Warriors. There's a reason the Road Warriors were eventually billed from Chicago even though they were from Minneapolis. The old Fred Kohler territory (Chicago-Milwaukee) was ground zero for rooting for good guys who used bad guy tactics. Milwaukee was also the start of Steve Austin turning babyface at King Of The Ring 1996.
Corny hit the nail on the head of why I'd stop watching whenever Stephanie was on screen, because we know no one can do anything to her and the babyfaces all look like ineffectual geeks. I think her whole power trip in the 2010's is a big "who's laughing now? " to the talent and fans for all the times she'd get her comeuppance in the attitude era, where mouthing off earns you a stunner.
I have to disagree. The top faces used to absolutely DESTROY Stephanie in the Attitude Era. Austin, Rock, Jericho, Taker, Foley, Angle, and hell, even Kane at one point; they all would go ham on Steph either on the mic or sometimes with physicality.
I tried to get back into wrestling circa 2012. I turned on WWE. First person out and talking on a mic? Stephanie McMahon. Click. Turned off immediately.
@@mikeabel7577 haha right the time to make an episode was last year but now since she about to have the trial for manslaughter the episode gotta wait until after she is sentenced so we can get the full story
"The only thing we have to fear is my booking itself" I heard that shit on the full podcast high af and couldn't stop laughing 😂🤣 Can't believe Brian no sold it.
In a weird way, I think that it is simultaneously true that WWE greatly undervalues all the NWA and territory days...and Jim vastly overrates all the NWA and territory days
Cornette is correct when he said wcw fans left when it became more like wwf. As a person who watched wcw every Saturday, Sunday, Monday, I remembered my older cousins eye rolling and hating every wwf wrestlers that came to the wcw in the Early/Mid except for Rude and Mean Gene. I personally loved the NWO storyline during the first 6 months.
I mean he did go back to wearing red and yellow but to be fair that didn’t happen I believe until a month or so around the time he and Nash feuded in the summer of 99.
In WCW, Hogan would obviously want to be involved in the biggest story lines. There were 2 options. 1, Baby face Hogan squashes The Outsiders and kills the hottest thing in wrestling before it gets off the ground. It 2,Hogan turns heel and joins the Outsiders.
Sting has had heel runs in WCW back in the day cause I remember when Luger would help him out and sting would use the bat to win matches but let’s be realistic Sting being the 3rd man for the nWo storyline wouldn’t make any sense cause it was presented as wwf guys coming in to invade WCW so adding hogan was perfect
@@blueprint7 Russo played a huge role in making the WWE a monopoly,by bankrupting competitors when he was their head of creative for those competitors.
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? Corny confront with Vice File Restraining Order, loaded with guns , ask brother-in law for protection *Hides in the Bunker Basement*
"it's why I liked ultimate Warrior...Hogan was too cartoony" Brian, Brian, Brian lmao. the Warrior is the most cartoonish character in wrestling history, bar none.
I was a Warrior fan too. people knock his backstage promos he would do but they at least fit his character. which is more than I can say for these glorified actors they have on TV now. but yeah he was total prototypical cartoon character from Vince's silly mold.
@@mecha2001 not nearly like Abe Knuckleball Schwartz, The Goon, Bastion Booger, Ludvid Borga, Tatanka, Doink the Clown, Bob Spark Plug Holly, Duke the Dumpster Drosey, Skinner, Papa Shango, Isaac Yankem, Repo Man, Berserker, Waylon Mercy, Damien Demento, Phantasio, Max Moon, Mantaur...
@@michaelmfwayne holy shit dude. WWF was fucking terrible then. I honestly stopped watching in 1995 until Invasion... missed all the great parts in between. LOL
“He was my best and only friend” Sure Steph. A 40 year old French Giant who drank like a fish is really going to want to spend time with the bratty spoiled 8 year old daughter of the boss.
some of the best heel’s were usually not great people behind the scenes in their prime, hogan, Shawn, triple h, Orton, even Edge literally took a co-worker’s girl and that was his friend. It’s probably what makes them so believable on-screen.
The Elizabeth stretcher SNME horrific acting might be the most cringe performance I've ever seen. Probably because it was a massive effort, almost alien, for Hogan to convey giving a f*ck about someone whilst his rant at bash at the beach was effortless.
A J Styles was asked on a RUclips video if Hogan helped TNA. A J said yeah if coming in picking up your paycheck and leaving is help, then yeah he helped.. I love it lol.
I couldn't stand Hogan's predictable dominance from jump. And I was a little kid back then. And you can bet that I said "Yeah,FUCK HIM!!' He did help bring a lot of attention to wrestling, but you always knew going in that whether it was King Kong Bundy or King Kong himself,he was going the shit kicked out of him,"Hulk Up",wag his stupid finger do his 2 or 3 moves and win,and that just didn't work for me,Brother.
As a Hogan fan from when I started watching wrestling in 86. I'll say I never became a Warrior fan over Hogan. I liked Warrior but not more then Hogan. It wasn't untill 1990 when Undertaker came in . I started to prefer Taker over Hogan. In my teenage years I started to like the heels more.
It’s so funny hearing Hogan heralded as cool for being a heel because where I grew up he was considered the lamest member of the NWO. I remember back in grade school a few friends and I would go to the store next to our school because they had the sticker machine and they had WCW stickers. We’d see which ones we got and trade if someone was so inclined to. But if anyone got Hollywood Hogan they were the laughing stock for the rest of the week. No one would trade you, one guy (me) got him like 3 times and couldn’t GIVE that sticker away.
Initially he was the lamest NWO member because he couldnt get past the old school way of yelling and doing a promo. Eventually Hogan started to nail those nwo paid announcementa but I still liked his cheesy over the top first one. Hall and Nash carried it eventually.
@@TheFailedmessiah ah, I guess because at the time we were kids my friends and I didn’t really grow to appreciate his improvement in the role. To us he was just always the lamest back then. I remember the 2 most coveted stickers in that machine was one with Hall and Nash posing and NWO Wolf Pack Sting. And I think Goldberg, but everyone had a Goldberg sticker at some point
Definitely. Without Hall and Nash the nWo is just Hogan wearing black and winning and ageing. Bischoff even had to cut up his lame promos to keep it hip. He wasn't a cool heel in nWo Hollywood without them.
Yeah, but the NWO as a whole was cool and Hogan barnacled himself onto that. It's also true that Hogan's involvement (and the fact that he was now "a bad guy") brought a lot of attention from people who didn't necessarily follow wrestling but did know of Hogan.
@@Tim85-y2q I mean, that’s all fair. It’s just jarring to be as an adult because in that time, when I was a kid, to us he was the lamest person on WCW (I know.. guys, have mercy we were literal kids lol). It was to a point genuinely liking Hogan got someone made fun of because they were “ L7 (square)”. As an adult I still don’t like hogan, but I do admit he was responsible for a lot of eyes being on wrestling and that most people who aren’t fans know who he is
A small correction on the idea that WWE would never allow Vince Russo to appear onscreen as a character. Right before the shift to the Attitude Era, Russo would make appearances on LiveWire as Vic Venom, the alias he used as a writer for WWF Magazine. So I guess a more accurate statement would be to say McMahon would never allow Vince Russo to be an on air character on a show people watched.
Cassius Clay took on the persona of a heel because he saw it worked for Gorgeous George. Thank you Hulk Hogan for inspiring George. That’s probably why Hogan says that Muhammad used to call him for career advice.
Cornette has said on this show that is was Freddie Blassie that Ali got the heel gimmick from, and just told people Gorgeous George since he was more well known.
@@PiperatheGates Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Where Ali grew up, it couldn't have been George. I believe what it actually was, was Ali was mixed up Gorgeous George and Blassie.
@@Sky_Blaze Yeah. That's the most wrestling based WWE has ever been. They pushed young stars. Had a healthy mix of veterans. Taz & Cole on commentary. Steph played GM really well... Angle, Benoit, Mysterio, Brock, Matt Hardy V1, Undertaker, Edge, Cena, Orton, etc. Not much to dislike.
In my opinion that era of Smackdown was WWE's most well put together show they ever did. Babyface GM, the talent you mentioned unreal. It was more sportsy lol like they had tournaments, the US belt and Cruiserweight belts were important. Everyone had something to do, it had just enough goofy entertainment to compliment the good wrestling.
HOGAN: got one thing to say about 6 sides. You had it, now it's gone! Nomore 6 sides nomore 8 sides nomore stinkin playpen rings! We're taking ya all the way jack! Crowd: we want 6 slides!!
You got it backwards. And slightly incorrect. “Ya had it and it only got ya so far” Fans chanted six sides leading to Hogan cutting that promo. The fans started booing him afterwards
Sting wouldn't ahve worked as leader of the NWO. because Hogan would have come back, partnered with Savage and wiped out the NWO within 6 months, then we would have seen the Alliance of NWO to end Hulkamania
If he couldn’t be in it he would have ended it for sure. You can’t get that faction over when Hogan had complete creative control and wanted the belt as much as possible.
Dude the whole reason I stopped watching WCW was the fact it turned into a faction fest. The Wolfpack NWO the LWO and the original NWO. I remember watching opening matches when the NWO was big and just praying they'd leave it alone so I could watch Alex Wright go against Dean Malenko
Same things gonna happen to AEW , too many factions. Promotion needs more individuals. Then it’s a big deal when superstars team up ! Remember Sting /Luger vs Steiner’s, Hogan /Savage vs Dibiase /Andre
The part about Russo wanting to fire the older guys in WCW is an obvious exaggeration, but to be fair to him, WCW up until that point had all the older guys already hogging up the spotlight and the show sucked. The ratings dropped in 99 after the NWO angle and watching hogan and flair in a feud for the 20th time was boring. They weren’t letting any of the newer talent get the spotlight so Russo does deserve credit for letting the younger guys get in better angles and on TV more.
@@MidnightTokenFloydChatAccount according to who? Besides Cornette and Meltzer? He couldn’t fire any of the older guys even if he wanted to, he was a writer ffs.
The problem with Russo's idea of firing the old guys and giving spot light to the WCW's younger talent in the year 2000, was that most of their younger talent (Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Mysterio, Giant etc.) already moved to WWF by then.
I can see that. Booker and Steiner was were they needed to go years earlier. The same reason I stopped watching WWF as a kid was them reverting back to Hogan at that Mania instead of going with Bret and co. WCW repeated it in 99. When you realised the younger guys you felt would be the future through 96-98 were staying where they were.
20:10 if he really said that, he's an idiot. That is the kind of age discrimination lawsuit that lawyers salivate over. Derp!! Edit: I kid you not...we had an idiot CEO sent to us by our former owners who did exactly that and he was sued left and right. We paid millions because of it.
The only thing I didn't like it about this episode (it's the only one I've cared to watch) was how they used inconsistent footage for the topics. Hogan turns heel and they're using footage from fans in 1990 when kids were crying after earthquake squashed Hogan. There was some made up newspaper front pages. And the wannabe dark side of the ring blurred and shadow clips. There was no need for any of that, hogan's heel turn which is the biggest heel and most impactful heel turn of all time, didn't need what they did, there was plenty of people in the crowd booing and dissapointed/mad when he turned.
Classic Russo sayings: “Bro, I tell ya…” “See, what ya dont understand is…” “You have no ideeyer (idea)…” “My hands were tied bro…” “Standards and practices were on my ass since day 1…”
That hand in her face while dusty was still staring Vince dead in his eyes and when Stephanie shut up I popped so hard for that simple hand in her face. It was so great. But they messed it all up of course. The evil empire was brutal.
Sasha banks and Stephanie McMahon should not have been on evil, imagine putting her in the same category of people as Hogan, Flair, Orton, Kane, taker and even the miz was a million times better of a top heel of the company than banks or Stephanie.
@@OVO-Adolf They put her there cause she has a mainstream recognition, she was in Mandalorian, is related to Snoop Dogg, appears on various online platforms (like Hot Ones, that video got 5.8 M views).
@@OVO-Adolf I disagree. Watch Sasha's heel work in nXt. She really was a sick heel. She has had to tone it down since coming to the main roster I feel which sucks.
Heel Champions are cool.. Hollywood Hogan was cool until they start doing too much.. Edited: Brian Last is right about Hulk Hogan changing colors right after losing to The Rock.. That was stupid.. Should have ease him from the Black and White not just do it out of nowhere without no rhymes or reasons.. build up to it..
I find it weird when Brian says Hogan got too hokey after '87 (which I agree with), but then says that's what made him turn to cheering Warrior, who was the epitame of hokey-ness and sh*t wrestling
smh at Brian Last constantly talking about 'me and my friends' . Now they turned on Hogan cause he was too cartoony....and went for the Warrior. yeah he wasn't cartoony. Also anyone remember when hogan shaved his moustache a week or two after the nWo formed? i thought he looked more sinister like that.
The biggest heel turn (as a work) was Ole Anderson turning on Dusty Rhodes during a tag-team steel cage match in July 1980. The biggest real-life heel turn was Vince McMahon with the infamous "Montreal Screwjob."
I feel like I had a completely different takeaway from this, I felt like this wasn’t about Hogan saving wrestling more about how he felt his own career was stagnant.
I didn't watch WCW, but I was led to believe part of the impetus of his heel turn was because people were tired of his gimmick. of course we know now in the post-shoot interview era it was all a money train thing. I thought he was hilarious as a heel calling people meatballs... as meatball as that sounds. but yeah he wasn't just the 3rd man, he was the odd man out in the original NWO.
@@scrappy93 yeah, I wasn't the biggest Diesel/Razor fan and definitely didn't like WCW, but going back and watching those Outsider videos and hearing them talk about jumping over with the "invasion" angle, it honestly was brilliant. and WWF scammed them out of money because WCW thought it was real. they really were marks. LOL
Hogan did revolutionize the business as a babyface and made it more popular than it had ever been up until that point. His heel turn revolutionized WCW and made them #1 which made WWE compete with them and started the true Monday Night Wars. Both programs ran head-to-head before that, but it was never as heated until Hogan's turn.
You would think somebody as knowledgeable to the business as cornet and Brian go that they would get that but they don't. They just hate Hogan and that's the way it's going to be.
My only counter argument is they needed Hogan to be in it, otherwise Hogan comes back, pulls the creative control and is beating all 3 guys by himself. Also, it was Hall who was amazing but still a mid card guy and Nash who was the WWF champion everyone was tired of. Hogan? The biggest good guy now a bad guy? Oh yeah that drew some eyes
@@shaunsmith3167 had to be hogan. Again, Hogan would’ve come back and squashed everybody. It’s just what he does. He beat the entire Dungeon by himself. I would’ve loved that and Macho definitely fit that early NWO vibe.
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"He got too cartoonish, so we gravitated toward the Ultimate Warrior."- Brian Last
And how long did piece of shit warrior last they brought hogan right back
I mean it's still true. Maybe "cartoonish" wasn't the right word but he got boring.
I did laugh at that statement regardless...as if Warrior wasn't a total cartoon come to life
I’m Brian’s age and as dumb as it sounds it’s 100% accurate.
Makes no sense. I resented Warrior for being a Hogan ripoff
@@ModernDayRenaissanceMan I didn’t grow up around that time but how was he a rip-off? Only similarity I see is the intensity
"Why is Dr. Phil on the show???" "For a paycheck!!" PRICELESS!!!🤑🥳🤣
"Their egos got out of control once I got creative control" -Hulk Hogan..... so close to having an epiphany 30 years later.
So close lmao
What is wrong with this man 🤣
It actually seems the reverse.
But as usual Hogans ego overtakes his brain 😂
Every wrestler had an ego . You could name 50 guys. If they had creative control. They would do the same thing.
“They left off his real heel turn in Bubba the Love Sponge’s bedroom.” 😂😂😂😂 #TheGreatBrianLastFTW
Can you imagine a hidden camera in Brian's house? The guy is a major hypocrite.
Corny acknowledging Crusher as one of the first "cool" heels, along with Dick the Bruiser. This is why I love him.
Yeah but Cornette never got with the anti hero. Guys like Austin and Rock were anti heroes. Initially Austin was booed, then turned tweener then the Bret Hart double face heel change happened. Cornette hates tweeter. I dont know how he feels about territory face and heels. I.e. bret hart being a face in Canada but a huge heel in the usa.
@@TheFailedmessiah He hates the modern day "tweeners" that don't make any logical sense. But he also managed the Midnight Express against the Road Warriors.
There's a reason the Road Warriors were eventually billed from Chicago even though they were from Minneapolis. The old Fred Kohler territory (Chicago-Milwaukee) was ground zero for rooting for good guys who used bad guy tactics. Milwaukee was also the start of Steve Austin turning babyface at King Of The Ring 1996.
He knows his stuff
@@charlieedmonds1614 Everything!! Lol he knows it all
@@KnightBoat
Vince Russo was the real Evil of the Hulk Hogan episode.
Nah
@@scrappy93 yes..
Russo's the real Evil of the entire pro wrestling business
@@bahmatalmost as evil as Vince McMahon himself.
Corny hit the nail on the head of why I'd stop watching whenever Stephanie was on screen, because we know no one can do anything to her and the babyfaces all look like ineffectual geeks. I think her whole power trip in the 2010's is a big "who's laughing now? " to the talent and fans for all the times she'd get her comeuppance in the attitude era, where mouthing off earns you a stunner.
To be fair, Jericho used to absolutely destroy Stephanie on the mic.
@@gammasmash1924 "Stephanie, you're the breast!!! ...I mean best."
@@gammasmash1924 until he started walking her dog and cleaning up its shit
I have to disagree. The top faces used to absolutely DESTROY Stephanie in the Attitude Era. Austin, Rock, Jericho, Taker, Foley, Angle, and hell, even Kane at one point; they all would go ham on Steph either on the mic or sometimes with physicality.
I tried to get back into wrestling circa 2012. I turned on WWE. First person out and talking on a mic? Stephanie McMahon. Click. Turned off immediately.
Roman Reigns: “I’m The Head Of The Table!
Hulk Hogan: “I Am The Table, Brother!”
Brock Lesnar : Party's over Grandpa
Booking bad Hulk Hogan as Walter white. I am the table brother!!!!!
I see no lies brother
James Hetfield has entered the chat
@@georgecoley9514 where? 😆
I think Dr. Phil was Hogan's therapist when he was seeing Warrior in the mirror.
The Tammy Sytch episode of WWE Evil will probably be it’s own miniseries.
She's a Dark Side of the Ring episode waiting to happen.
😆
@@ferox965 More like Dark Side of Humanity.
@@ferox965 Waiting to happen? That shit has definitely happened already. A few times.
@@mikeabel7577 haha right the time to make an episode was last year but now since she about to have the trial for manslaughter the episode gotta wait until after she is sentenced so we can get the full story
Jericho used to verbally destroy Stephanie
Didn't he start a chant calling her a filthy, dirty, disgusting, brutal, bottom-feeding, trash bag ho?
That's a scorched-earth level of destruction. 😂
Yea that "Your a bigger slut" promo gets me everytime!!
"Trash bag ho'" is timeless.
"The only thing we have to fear is my booking itself" I heard that shit on the full podcast high af and couldn't stop laughing 😂🤣
Can't believe Brian no sold it.
He sucks
Which podcast ? I've got to hear this crap.
@@conniecarroll747 I listen to the full Spotify podcast of the drive theu and the experience the day they come out
In a weird way, I think that it is simultaneously true that WWE greatly undervalues all the NWA and territory days...and Jim vastly overrates all the NWA and territory days
Both can be true. So not that weird. Actually rational.
Why would WWE praise the NWA when they wanted him dead lol
to be fair jim worked in the territories so it makes sense
Depends on the time frame. From 84/85 on WWF was on another stratosphere
@@smarkslowplay3512For sure those two years were just big as fuk
Can we get more JC impression of Russo. 😁. That was gold.
It was so bad that it was good! Like when Brian does Vince. Lmaooooooo
When Jim asks "you know what position you could be in?" You can hear the terror in Brian's voice as to what may come next 🤣🤣
Cornette is correct when he said wcw fans left when it became more like wwf. As a person who watched wcw every Saturday, Sunday, Monday, I remembered my older cousins eye rolling and hating every wwf wrestlers that came to the wcw in the Early/Mid except for Rude and Mean Gene. I personally loved the NWO storyline during the first 6 months.
Wwevil Jim Cornette - 60mins of Racket hits, followed by his facial expressions and laughs after.
A lot of gesticulating
Ranting and raving about Russo too
@@charlieedmonds1614 😂😂😂
Finger bangs too
The sad thing is that even though he deserves an episode. They’d never do one on him because I’m pretty sure Kevin Dunn is an executive producer.
The episode made it look like Hogan didn't turn yellow and red face again in WCW, like WM18 was his first time as a face since he turned Hollywood.
I mean he did go back to wearing red and yellow but to be fair that didn’t happen I believe until a month or so around the time he and Nash feuded in the summer of 99.
In WCW, Hogan would obviously want to be involved in the biggest story lines.
There were 2 options.
1, Baby face Hogan squashes The Outsiders and kills the hottest thing in wrestling before it gets off the ground.
It 2,Hogan turns heel and joins the Outsiders.
Hogan would have been booed even more than he already was.
Hogan made far more sense than Sting to be the third member of the nWo, since it was a WWF invasion storyline.
Isn’t the 1st one just Cena & the Nexus?
@@Severe_Metalholicism oml imagine if Cena turned heel and became a permanent part of the Nexus
Sting has had heel runs in WCW back in the day cause I remember when Luger would help him out and sting would use the bat to win matches but let’s be realistic Sting being the 3rd man for the nWo storyline wouldn’t make any sense cause it was presented as wwf guys coming in to invade WCW so adding hogan was perfect
The Russo/Roosevelt impression killed me! 15:47 “The only thing we have to fear is my booking itself”
Except that he sounded more like Kennedy.
russo is more successful than Cornette ever has been
@@blueprint7 Russo played a huge role in making the WWE a monopoly,by bankrupting competitors when he was their head of creative for those competitors.
@@blueprint7 How exactly :D
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? Corny confront with Vice
File Restraining Order, loaded with guns , ask brother-in law for protection
*Hides in the Bunker Basement*
Crony’s “New York accent” (which is actually FDR) is a riot.
"it's why I liked ultimate Warrior...Hogan was too cartoony"
Brian, Brian, Brian lmao. the Warrior is the most cartoonish character in wrestling history, bar none.
I was a Warrior fan too. people knock his backstage promos he would do but they at least fit his character. which is more than I can say for these glorified actors they have on TV now. but yeah he was total prototypical cartoon character from Vince's silly mold.
Most cartooned character nah. I raise you a Brutus the Barber Beefcake
@@scrappy93 hahaha I liked Beefcake too. Rick Rude was great also. and Jake. real characters, not F-ing TV actor wannabes like now.
@@mecha2001 not nearly like Abe Knuckleball Schwartz, The Goon, Bastion Booger, Ludvid Borga, Tatanka, Doink the Clown, Bob Spark Plug Holly, Duke the Dumpster Drosey, Skinner, Papa Shango, Isaac Yankem, Repo Man, Berserker, Waylon Mercy, Damien Demento, Phantasio, Max Moon, Mantaur...
@@michaelmfwayne holy shit dude. WWF was fucking terrible then. I honestly stopped watching in 1995 until Invasion... missed all the great parts in between. LOL
Tugboat turning heal and becoming Typhoon was devastating and it came before Hogan's heal turn. 😭
😂😂😂
Tugboat and Hogan became doctors?
Doctors of Thuganomics.
@@anthonybatissa1417 SHOCK MASTER!!!
@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 Blurred sight. This is lasik optitronics.
Jim you forgot about when Hogan was also Running Wild with B.A. Baracus in the Los Angeles Underground Helping The A-Team
BROTHER!
I wonder if Stephanie is going talk about how she used to tap dance in Andre the Giants hand as a child.
Right after he was sitting on the swing set with young Rock
Steph was a ballerina. That's why Hunter had a heart attack!!
“He was my best and only friend”
Sure Steph. A 40 year old French Giant who drank like a fish is really going to want to spend time with the bratty spoiled 8 year old daughter of the boss.
Or how Macho Man ........ Oh nevermind 😉
@@Dad-Gad or like Dave Bautista's "You Know"🤬
Let's be honest, Hollywood Hulk is much closer to Hogan's real personality than Real American Hulk ever was.
Why mr honest !! Did he make you cry !??
Loved Hollywood Hogan..
Very true.
some of the best heel’s were usually not great people behind the scenes in their prime, hogan, Shawn, triple h, Orton, even Edge literally took a co-worker’s girl and that was his friend. It’s probably what makes them so believable on-screen.
The Elizabeth stretcher SNME horrific acting might be the most cringe performance I've ever seen. Probably because it was a massive effort, almost alien, for Hogan to convey giving a f*ck about someone whilst his rant at bash at the beach was effortless.
Hollywood Hogan was an amazing heel.
A J Styles was asked on a RUclips video if Hogan helped TNA. A J said yeah if coming in picking up your paycheck and leaving is help, then yeah he helped.. I love it lol.
"Well that doesn't work for me brother" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
5am getting ready for work, the children per Cornette, "Yea fuck him!" Lmao. I have been laughing for 10 minutes.
I couldn't stand Hogan's predictable dominance from jump. And I was a little kid back then. And you can bet that I said "Yeah,FUCK HIM!!' He did help bring a lot of attention to wrestling, but you always knew going in that whether it was King Kong Bundy or King Kong himself,he was going the shit kicked out of him,"Hulk Up",wag his stupid finger do his 2 or 3 moves and win,and that just didn't work for me,Brother.
That shit had my dying to this day
The 'ask the children' line is gold😂
It is funny as hell that Jim never even accidentally refers to Shitstain by his real name. It cracks me up every time.
As a Hogan fan from when I started watching wrestling in 86. I'll say I never became a Warrior fan over Hogan. I liked Warrior but not more then Hogan. It wasn't untill 1990 when Undertaker came in . I started to prefer Taker over Hogan. In my teenage years I started to like the heels more.
It’s so funny hearing Hogan heralded as cool for being a heel because where I grew up he was considered the lamest member of the NWO. I remember back in grade school a few friends and I would go to the store next to our school because they had the sticker machine and they had WCW stickers. We’d see which ones we got and trade if someone was so inclined to. But if anyone got Hollywood Hogan they were the laughing stock for the rest of the week. No one would trade you, one guy (me) got him like 3 times and couldn’t GIVE that sticker away.
Initially he was the lamest NWO member because he couldnt get past the old school way of yelling and doing a promo. Eventually Hogan started to nail those nwo paid announcementa but I still liked his cheesy over the top first one. Hall and Nash carried it eventually.
@@TheFailedmessiah ah, I guess because at the time we were kids my friends and I didn’t really grow to appreciate his improvement in the role. To us he was just always the lamest back then. I remember the 2 most coveted stickers in that machine was one with Hall and Nash posing and NWO Wolf Pack Sting. And I think Goldberg, but everyone had a Goldberg sticker at some point
Definitely. Without Hall and Nash the nWo is just Hogan wearing black and winning and ageing. Bischoff even had to cut up his lame promos to keep it hip. He wasn't a cool heel in nWo Hollywood without them.
Yeah, but the NWO as a whole was cool and Hogan barnacled himself onto that. It's also true that Hogan's involvement (and the fact that he was now "a bad guy") brought a lot of attention from people who didn't necessarily follow wrestling but did know of Hogan.
@@Tim85-y2q I mean, that’s all fair. It’s just jarring to be as an adult because in that time, when I was a kid, to us he was the lamest person on WCW (I know.. guys, have mercy we were literal kids lol). It was to a point genuinely liking Hogan got someone made fun of because they were “ L7 (square)”.
As an adult I still don’t like hogan, but I do admit he was responsible for a lot of eyes being on wrestling and that most people who aren’t fans know who he is
A small correction on the idea that WWE would never allow Vince Russo to appear onscreen as a character. Right before the shift to the Attitude Era, Russo would make appearances on LiveWire as Vic Venom, the alias he used as a writer for WWF Magazine. So I guess a more accurate statement would be to say McMahon would never allow Vince Russo to be an on air character on a show people watched.
What's funny about Live Wire Cornette was loving how Russo went after Doc. Saying your name isn't doc hendricks.
That was Livewire though far less people watched Livewire then were watching Raw.
Cassius Clay took on the persona of a heel because he saw it worked for Gorgeous George.
Thank you Hulk Hogan for inspiring George.
That’s probably why Hogan says that Muhammad used to call him for career advice.
don u dare call . ..his name is Muhammad Ali don't u dare call him Cassius Clay
@@toofargone68 he was Cassius Clay when he took on the persona of a heel.
Cornette has said on this show that is was Freddie Blassie that Ali got the heel gimmick from, and just told people Gorgeous George since he was more well known.
@@PiperatheGates Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Where Ali grew up, it couldn't have been George. I believe what it actually was, was Ali was mixed up Gorgeous George and Blassie.
I was laughing when both Corny & Brian called Hogan Hokie Hogan 😂😂😂
The Ultimate Warrior always called him Hoke Hogan.
Ho Kogan - Booker T
I liked Stephanie best when she was sort of a face, as Smackdown GM
Everybody just liked that era of smackdown in general.
@@Sky_Blaze Yeah. That's the most wrestling based WWE has ever been. They pushed young stars. Had a healthy mix of veterans. Taz & Cole on commentary. Steph played GM really well... Angle, Benoit, Mysterio, Brock, Matt Hardy V1, Undertaker, Edge, Cena, Orton, etc. Not much to dislike.
@@drewspods Eddie as well..Heyman booking..it was just better a good balance of real wrestling and "entertainment".
In my opinion that era of Smackdown was WWE's most well put together show they ever did. Babyface GM, the talent you mentioned unreal. It was more sportsy lol like they had tournaments, the US belt and Cruiserweight belts were important. Everyone had something to do, it had just enough goofy entertainment to compliment the good wrestling.
I liked Stephanie's boobz
I just want to hear Jim’s reaction to Ryback’s comments about Vince and his mother.
Lol, What did ryback say?
@@welowee7610 he called his mother a whore and just ripped into Vince
@@welowee7610 Think he called Vince’s mother a whore something along those lines anyway.
@@welowee7610 who cares
@@unclejessica2386 I care
Heels were cool... Piper was one of the best
Agreed i loved Roddy as a kid, so entertaining
HOGAN: got one thing to say about 6 sides. You had it, now it's gone! Nomore 6 sides nomore 8 sides nomore stinkin playpen rings! We're taking ya all the way jack!
Crowd: we want 6 slides!!
You got it backwards. And slightly incorrect.
“Ya had it and it only got ya so far”
Fans chanted six sides leading to Hogan cutting that promo.
The fans started booing him afterwards
I loved those WWF Ice Cream Bars. Lol they was very good
I can still taste them. Very good product
Dusty giving Steph the hand was an all time great moment.
Your wrestling fandom either dies young, or becomes old enough to become Jim cornette
Hilarious segment. Thanks for the laughs, Jim.
Sting started out as a heel. Wtf? Lol
Sting wouldn't ahve worked as leader of the NWO. because Hogan would have come back, partnered with Savage and wiped out the NWO within 6 months, then we would have seen the Alliance of NWO to end Hulkamania
🙄
Sting ruined his career by only working in the Busch leagues
@@adamirishconundrum851 🤐🤡
If he couldn’t be in it he would have ended it for sure. You can’t get that faction over when Hogan had complete creative control and wanted the belt as much as possible.
Dude the whole reason I stopped watching WCW was the fact it turned into a faction fest. The Wolfpack NWO the LWO and the original NWO. I remember watching opening matches when the NWO was big and just praying they'd leave it alone so I could watch Alex Wright go against Dean Malenko
Same things gonna happen to AEW , too many factions. Promotion needs more individuals. Then it’s a big deal when superstars team up ! Remember Sting /Luger vs Steiner’s, Hogan /Savage vs Dibiase /Andre
Faction fest and listed 3 factions. Let me add the LWO lasted what 4 months? Got to laugh though. You prayed to be able to watch a match? Lmfao.
I was praying just to watch dale torborg vs Kendall windham
@@scrappy93 those 3 factions had the whole damn roster in them lmao what are you in about 😂😂
LoL real talk👍🏿
“The only thing we have to fear is my booking itself.” Ohhh my goodness I love it.
Died laughing
The part about Russo wanting to fire the older guys in WCW is an obvious exaggeration, but to be fair to him, WCW up until that point had all the older guys already hogging up the spotlight and the show sucked. The ratings dropped in 99 after the NWO angle and watching hogan and flair in a feud for the 20th time was boring. They weren’t letting any of the newer talent get the spotlight so Russo does deserve credit for letting the younger guys get in better angles and on TV more.
Russo did wanna fire 90% of the older guys
@@MidnightTokenFloydChatAccount according to who? Besides Cornette and Meltzer? He couldn’t fire any of the older guys even if he wanted to, he was a writer ffs.
It was like many thinks when Russo had no filter/too much to say: an interesting idea/concept, but poor execution.
The problem with Russo's idea of firing the old guys and giving spot light to the WCW's younger talent in the year 2000, was that most of their younger talent (Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Mysterio, Giant etc.) already moved to WWF by then.
I can see that. Booker and Steiner was were they needed to go years earlier. The same reason I stopped watching WWF as a kid was them reverting back to Hogan at that Mania instead of going with Bret and co. WCW repeated it in 99. When you realised the younger guys you felt would be the future through 96-98 were staying where they were.
20:10 if he really said that, he's an idiot. That is the kind of age discrimination lawsuit that lawyers salivate over. Derp!!
Edit: I kid you not...we had an idiot CEO sent to us by our former owners who did exactly that and he was sued left and right. We paid millions because of it.
I hope they do a episode on Jim.I know that would be their best show
“The only thing we have to fear is my booking, itself” - Shit Stain ...... Jim please make this a shirt!!!
Bruce sure would!!
I couldn't breathe
@@Sky_Blaze is the shirt too tight??
@@williammitchell4417 lol
My favourite segues to the ad spots are the worst ones. The nonsensical transition to the lawn ad was hilarious
The only thing I didn't like it about this episode (it's the only one I've cared to watch) was how they used inconsistent footage for the topics. Hogan turns heel and they're using footage from fans in 1990 when kids were crying after earthquake squashed Hogan. There was some made up newspaper front pages. And the wannabe dark side of the ring blurred and shadow clips. There was no need for any of that, hogan's heel turn which is the biggest heel and most impactful heel turn of all time, didn't need what they did, there was plenty of people in the crowd booing and dissapointed/mad when he turned.
Yeah, they don't need to fake shit. Fans were pissed, booing and throwing trash when he turned.
If a heel is “cool”, are they really a heel? 🤔
“Bro, I had a tawghet on my back on the very first day.” 🤣🤣🤣
Classic Russo sayings:
“Bro, I tell ya…”
“See, what ya dont understand is…”
“You have no ideeyer (idea)…”
“My hands were tied bro…”
“Standards and practices were on my ass since day 1…”
@@ryanregan00 Lmaooooooo 🤣😅😂
Hogan turning was good, but let's be honest, Hall and Nash were always the main nWo leadership.
Not the biggest fan of Nash, but he's amazing as a talking head in everything he appears in.
That hand in her face while dusty was still staring Vince dead in his eyes and when Stephanie shut up I popped so hard for that simple hand in her face. It was so great. But they messed it all up of course. The evil empire was brutal.
" hulk hogan, a name synonymous with evil " - jim cornette
Giving a wrestler full creative control is like giving a inmate a gun
I wish Cornette would review the episodes of EVIL with Sasha Banks and Randy Orton. Those were the best ones.
Who gives a fuck about scrubs like Banks?! Nobodies!
Sasha banks and Stephanie McMahon should not have been on evil, imagine putting her in the same category of people as Hogan, Flair, Orton, Kane, taker and even the miz was a million times better of a top heel of the company than banks or Stephanie.
Get the bell outta here. There’s nothing of substance to give those 2 episodes to begin with.
@@OVO-Adolf They put her there cause she has a mainstream recognition, she was in Mandalorian, is related to Snoop Dogg, appears on various online platforms (like Hot Ones, that video got 5.8 M views).
@@OVO-Adolf I disagree. Watch Sasha's heel work in nXt. She really was a sick heel. She has had to tone it down since coming to the main roster I feel which sucks.
The only times I remember Steph come off on the losing end story wise are the exit of Vicky Gurerroero - Chyna at one time and Rhonda Rousey
"Negativity and Hulkamania. Two things that don't go together.” - Hulk Hogan
“Terry, Hulkamania and Negativity go together like PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY!!!!” -Ultimate Warrior
@@KingJaymo2k11 I never liked Warrior but this was a brilliant analogy from him.
Brother?
Hulkamania is entwined in society by the example Terry has set of how to fuck up a life
Brian are you seriously sitting there saying that the ultimate warrior was not cartoony?
"A name synonymous with evil." Well said.
Jim doing FDR as he's trying to do Shitstain, is hilarious!
They couldn’t just call it WWEvil ?
Heel Champions are cool.. Hollywood Hogan was cool until they start doing too much..
Edited: Brian Last is right about Hulk Hogan changing colors right after losing to The Rock.. That was stupid.. Should have ease him from the Black and White not just do it out of nowhere without no rhymes or reasons.. build up to it..
I wonder why Dr. Phil is on TV at all...besides him wanting to get a paycheck.
Stephanie McMahon took the stink face from Rikishi
"The only thing we have to fear is my booking itself". Fuck, LMFAO🤣🤣🤣Jim Cornette is the SHIT!
Dr. D David Schultz the slap heard around the world!
i was just listening to this in the background and i had to do a double take when i heard Jim Cornette say "The Slipknot guy!"
Them going in on Bruce Pritchards neck 🤣🤣
Brian's professional jealousy of Bruce Prichard strikes again, seriously how miserable can you be..
I find it weird when Brian says Hogan got too hokey after '87 (which I agree with), but then says that's what made him turn to cheering Warrior,
who was the epitame of hokey-ness and sh*t wrestling
that russo impression was hilarious
Many people forget that while Hulk was touring Japan back in ‘78 went by “Stone Cold Hogan.”
Can never get tired of Cornette
“SOMEBODY OUGHTA ASK THE CHILDREN!”
smh at Brian Last constantly talking about 'me and my friends' . Now they turned on Hogan cause he was too cartoony....and went for the Warrior. yeah he wasn't cartoony. Also anyone remember when hogan shaved his moustache a week or two after the nWo formed? i thought he looked more sinister like that.
Hollywood Hogan was never the "cool heel", even of the nWo. It was interesting that he turned, but Hall and Nash were the cool ones.
I've always wondered who was responsible for the Gobblygooker abomination.
Repo man deserves his own episode
Nash and Hall were cool, Hogan was the middle aged dork mimicking them
Hogan was necessary. When he joined, it hit mainstream news.
Hogan was only a couple years older
Without Hogan the NWO would have fizzled out in 3 months
Didn't Stephanie get a stunner?
Jim's impression of Vince Russo is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The biggest heel turn (as a work) was Ole Anderson turning on Dusty Rhodes during a tag-team steel cage match in July 1980.
The biggest real-life heel turn was Vince McMahon with the infamous "Montreal Screwjob."
Razor Ramone was the coolest heel.
NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
I love how seemlessly he goes into the advertisements 😂
I feel like I had a completely different takeaway from this, I felt like this wasn’t about Hogan saving wrestling more about how he felt his own career was stagnant.
I didn't watch WCW, but I was led to believe part of the impetus of his heel turn was because people were tired of his gimmick. of course we know now in the post-shoot interview era it was all a money train thing. I thought he was hilarious as a heel calling people meatballs... as meatball as that sounds. but yeah he wasn't just the 3rd man, he was the odd man out in the original NWO.
He didn't even want to do it when they asked him. I think he turned it down 2 or 3 times. Then he saw the reactions.
@@scrappy93 yeah, I wasn't the biggest Diesel/Razor fan and definitely didn't like WCW, but going back and watching those Outsider videos and hearing them talk about jumping over with the "invasion" angle, it honestly was brilliant. and WWF scammed them out of money because WCW thought it was real. they really were marks. LOL
Hogan did revolutionize the business as a babyface and made it more popular than it had ever been up until that point.
His heel turn revolutionized WCW and made them #1 which made WWE compete with them and started the true Monday Night Wars. Both programs ran head-to-head before that, but it was never as heated until Hogan's turn.
You would think somebody as knowledgeable to the business as cornet and Brian go that they would get that but they don't. They just hate Hogan and that's the way it's going to be.
😆IN WHAT WETDREAM OF YOURS DID THIS HAPPEN!!
Crazy how much corny hates on Eric and doesn’t give him any credit smh
Dr Phil is a fan of wrestling most especially the WWE
Brian Last's hateboner for Bruce Prichard is the weirdest shit.
The nWo would have been big without Hogan, it would have fizzled on its ass without Hall and Nash.
My only counter argument is they needed Hogan to be in it, otherwise Hogan comes back, pulls the creative control and is beating all 3 guys by himself. Also, it was Hall who was amazing but still a mid card guy and Nash who was the WWF champion everyone was tired of.
Hogan? The biggest good guy now a bad guy? Oh yeah that drew some eyes
I think Macho Man would've worked better in Hogans spot than Hogan did honestly
@@shaunsmith3167 had to be hogan. Again, Hogan would’ve come back and squashed everybody. It’s just what he does. He beat the entire Dungeon by himself.
I would’ve loved that and Macho definitely fit that early NWO vibe.
@@reeart3614 Yeah I'm just saying Macho Man was more of a renegade type character than Hogan
@@shaunsmith3167 totally agree, and those promos would’ve been a blast
Hulkamania ran so wild that hulkster went back in time and helped write the declaration of independence...BROTHER!!!!!
As someone who was a child when Sting feuded with Hogan and has loved Sting for 25 years, no, I didn't want to see him be a heel. Hard pass.
OBVIOUSLY YOU MISSED HIM & RICK STEINER BEING HEELS WITH "HOTSTUFF" EDDIE GILBERT IN UWF!!