Convergent Minds: Nonhuman Beings of Sophont Intelligence in Kaimere
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2023
- When comparing humans to other animals, we clearly stand apart. While intelligence at our level seems our most diagnostic trait, quick review of cognition in such animals as other apes, whales, elephants, and corvids shows we are not as unique in this regard as we once thought. In Kaimere, several animals close the gap even further.
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I love how the Skra'eee aren't covered by clothes. The trope of clothes on sophont non-human species to show thier civilizedness works for hairless/fuzzless beings. But not for birds (or in this case feathered dinosaur). These small details are what i really love about kaimere
Thank you! For the manephaunt it’s only because they’re tropical animals living in a temperate zone, and for the Notzokideu it’s all for style. Wanted to stress that their minds are convergent, but not in other ways
Were the scra'aee at all inspired buy cm cozimon's avisapians?
@@TalesofKaimereYECs are unable to comprehend nonhuman intelligence.
You could make an argument for fluffy sophonts using clothing for things like status, but yes, they do not require clothes to stay warm, at least not to the same degree as humans
I like how you differentiate between sophont, sapient and sentient beings. I have many interesting ideas for sophont species for my own world and this video helped a lot, with 7 sentient races from 7 ancestries. I especially love the Notzokideu pterosaurs and their culture.
Yes indeed! Even with only the overview of study I could afford, it was clear that animal intelligence is much more nuanced than the binary we typically see.
@@TalesofKaimerewhat is the next video going to be about?
Problems with his sapient animals:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be pterosaurs but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
7)Pterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright. Only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunks.
@@MarshalMarrsProblemz and mistakes with his sapient animals:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be pterosaurs but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
7)Pterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright, only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunkz
@@Thunderblock7889 The pterosaurs are pretty accurate as we know that pterosaurs have pycnofibers, there are dinosaurs that have beaks so dromies could evolve beaks, it’s possible that pterosaurs could evolve flightlessness.
A very nice summary of the numerous times intelligence on par to humans has evolved on Kaimere! Only fitting when you consider just how biologically diverse the planet is.
Also, very nice to finally get a good look at the Silent Ones. Can we expect a video on them at some point in the future?
Thank you, and yup! The Heterotherm class of animals is the subject of the first video in July.
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imagine that, after trying several times to transport devnioan era creatures over to kaimere, it realises that many of them were having trouble adapting because of trauma and so began to adjust it's process.
I have criticisms and problems with his sapient species:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be birds but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
@@Thunderblock7889 1- convergent evolution; they are not as similar as they seem at first glance.
2- firstly it's not a dromeosaur, secondary there's no reason why a dromeosaur wouldn't evolve a "beak", it's happened several times in dinosaurs
3- he's only mentioned three examples here, which happened to have interacted with the first children and so have something in common.
4- not really. look at dolphins, whilst they can use tools a lot of the time they don't really need to.
5- the idea is that those species are keeping their culture to themselves for them most part.
7-you really seem to be getting the wrong idea here.
LOTS of animals can be sapeint without walking upright.
you claim anthropomorphism, yet that' is exactly what YOU are doing.
"Also species must be divided in clans ut we never see that here!!"
who says they aren't.
@@Thunderblock7889 also STOP spamming
Introducing the medic
Great portal : (experiment with cruel teleportation magic.)
Animal: traumatised and scared for life
Portal : (heavy german accent) Ha i see, don't worry my friend i have the solution for your problem
Animals: Therapy ?
Portal: you could say that, are you familiar with the concept of lobotomy ?
@@Thunderblock7889they're pterosaur and thats convergent evolution and they don't even look like mammals.
2 they're not really dromaesaur and don't have beak just a thin snout. And beak can appear on that kind of dinosaurs.
3 nope, human can have antagonistic behaviour, we can't really know how other species with completly different behaviour and biology would act like.
Plus those antagonistic behaviour are mostly societal and cultural in humans, not innate.
We coexisted with other human specie in relative peace and even mated with them, War was invented after sedentarisation.
And we are talking about scholar not soldier, they will try to learn and understand not destroy and exploit.
With a different culture and history and biodiversity human in Kaimere have a wildly different behaviour ans view on the world than us on earth.
Most of their weapon are not used against other human and when they're they're generally non lethal. As their really long lifespan make killing other human a crime even more taboo than here on earth.
They avoid war when possible and the fight rely more on securing an area and ressources than killing the ennemy.
They kind of live in a hostile ecosystem, they needed to cooperate to survive way more than us for as long as they lived on Kaimere.
And the first contact with other specie was not really friendly nor hostile but suspicious, as Afterall
All of those species had been in Contact with the first childrens which kind of gave a bad impression of humanoïds in general.
Kaimeran had to dissipate the issue by saying " hey we are not the first children and we hate them too, they're bastard and Monsters"
And when you have a common ennemy and historical trauma that make something in common helping the development of friendly relation between the two.
4 nope you don't need complex tools to be sapient, and thats anthropocentrist.
Tool use is a consequence of intelligence not the other way around.
High intelligence have other use like communication
5 the video explain thats it's not in detail, just a generalisation of the specie culture, not each different clan and Culture of each specie as it would be pointless and way too long to explain.
Id love to see this put to animation or film one day, like a more realistic and diverse Dinotopia.
Would be delighted to see!
@marshalmarrs3269 a certain giant black and white dolphin seems like a likely candidate
@@highlyvurgultis3706orcas, other dolphins like bottlenoses, crows(new caledonians are the premier tool users but all of them fit the bill imo), certain parrots, both species of living elephants, all of these could be considered non-human sophonts
Not that you'll ever get creationists to shut about how great humans are(or really, how 'shitty' everything else is)
Now i wonder. What would happen if Magic discovered life outside of earth? Would they make a mistake and try to put alien life on Kaimere?
It would be consistent with past actions yes!
It did, they just were not that compatible with Kaimere.
@@TalesofKaimere the children might want to go those worlds?
maybe but any attempt would just end up getting 'blob fished"
@@skistorm739 they did
All my homies hate the first children
Amen.
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I really like the main picture of this episode ! To see that despite both five are from differents species (subspecies in the case of the kaimeran woman and the human man), they speak all to the others whithout problems like if there was anything and everything was normal, and everybody treat everones as equals. (That quite nice and positive to see !)
Good part of all that is that, despite beings from different species, if their body of both are extremely different, their inside is however completely identical in everything.
To put things in perspective, in such case when a sapient/sophont being, for example a human, meet another yet different sapient/sophont beings, like an alien from space (for example), the second being is at the end for the human just another human but inside a alien body.
Same reaction from the alien itself by the way !
With for him, the human is just another alien but inside a human (or naked ape if he don't know the word) body.
Here, on the picture, this reaction is applied by the characters, for each one, all the others, after some time after the intital meeting, are basically being not differents from its own kind but like members of its species inside foreigns bodies.
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Got to be one of, if not my end all be all, favorite episode thus far. From being introduced to the term sophont - despite being a professional zoologist who loves looking into animal intelligence! - to getting introduced to your take on a dinosauroid it was a gripping video throughout. Thank you Mr. Taylor for your fantastical, informative, and meticulously crafted world. It’s as entertaining as it is inspiring! Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you so much! I know I strayed into some subjectivity with the definitions of sophont, sapient, and sentient, but I definitely feel sophont is the most appropriate word for what I'm going for. Animal cognition is such a fascinating topic and I wish I'd had more time to look into it!
FINALLY!!! "SOPHONT"!!! I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS WORD FOR SO LONG FOR MY WORLDBUIDING!!! I KNEW THERE HAD TO BE MORE TO DESCRIBE THE SPECIES OF MY WORLD THAN JUST SENTIENCE AND SAPIENCE!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH KEENAN!!! 😭😭😭❤
I cant believe this is the first time i see the makers of silence, they just look so godamn cool
Thank you! Got an episode just for them and their clade in July
@@TalesofKaimere I will be anxiously waiting for that, they are definitely one of my favorite Kaimeran creatures!
Wait what, where?
Edit: Never mind, found it 17:12.
Aside from maybe making ot getting subtitles, great video.👍🏿
OMG! This wonderful episode is just the foundation? I'll be damned! Thank you a lot dear friend for this fantastic gift.
Thanks right back at ya! Oh there's so much more to say!
@@TalesofKaimere You are Always welcome. Every Tuesday had became a joy for yours truly thanks to your wonderful videos.Oh you better believe that I'll be waiting, hopefully?
And when it happens, if I'm well and alive, I will always lend you my eyes and ears if you catch my drift.
That tidbit about jay crows and silent ones would make a great horror scene…
This was the episode I've been waiting for 🖤. Been waiting for your dinosauroids and the Skraa-Aee don't disappoint.
I feel like Notzokideu would like boomerang/frisbee-like weapons. Some kind of horizontally-thrown spinning things
I also wonder what was so special about the first children(and humans in general). Why didn't a notzikideu or khorikoim domesticate magic so thoroughly? Or go beyond stone-age culture?
It could certainly be useful!
The First Children are assumed to have accidentally domesticated magic, as a strain happened to be affixed to the grains they were domesticating. I discuss this a bit in the Vermin episode in April. The Notzokideu and Manephaunt only developed more sophisticated tech and tools when competition with the first humans forced them to. Before that, it wasn't necessary, especially for the notzokideu given their beak and claws were superior to the first stages of tools. If your claws make better weapons than a basic weapon like a rock, you'll never have need to develop that rock into a comfortable weapon and don't need to hone that rock into a hand axe, then spear, and so forth. When they encountered Homo erectus with stone axes and spears, that's when they began developing tools since suddenly their claws were outclassed.
Death frisbees xD
Gotta love the imagery of Notzokideu defending their homes from invaders by throwing frisbees with bladed edges and boomerangs at them .
Very excited to see these guys get explored soon!
This is the most amazing speculate evolution video i've ever seen, I LOVE IT good work mate.
Thank you so much!
The Skraa'aee just became my favourite Kaimeran Dinosaur after watching this
Heck yeah!!
The Notzokideu are pretty much pterosaurs that have decided to become a monkey
The original monkeydactyl
I love the design of the dinosauroids here and this video as a whole is going to be very helpful for me when it comes to my own work. This was definitely worth the wait and I look forward to what’s next.
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed and always love hearing when my work is helpful/inspirational! Happy worldbuilding!
Man... theres alot of interesting things to ponder here! Another fantastic episode!
Thank you!
I'm a big fan of your books, and I love all the incredible work you've done with Kaimere, and especially with its sophont species!
One of the best D&D sessions I've ever run was a stone age fantasy that included sophont paravians, dwarf mastodon, a descendent of the synapsid Suminia, and several species of humans. Kaimere continue inspires me everyday to think of new concepts, and I can't thank you enough for it!
descendatn of Suminia? So, you're familiar with "Fellow Tetrapod"?
@@ashenen2278 I'm not actually, but I just looked it up and it looks like a very interesting spec evo project. I'll have to check it out!
perfect worldbuilding as always. i will buy all of your future books.
Thank you!!
Incredible episode I am soglad the Troodon are back, not to say to finally know more about the Notzokideu is cool. (Even the extra details on the Chuga are amazing) My only ''complain'' is that this is like the fifth time you tease on the different human species from Kaimere.
Haha I definitely want to explore the human species, just need a sponsor!
The world of Kaimere continues to grow! A great episode. The Skraa’aee seem to be very sassy and outspoken. Your exploration of the levels of intelligence was very helpful. I hope this inspires more people to be creative with speculative sophont organisms.
I sometimes wonder about the potential of sophont pigs, raccoons, bears, and rats. Would be interesting if someone explored them.
Imagine an An’Garu joining the assembly and just being really chill and kind.
Why are the birds usually such jerks lol
I could see some An guru being convinced to help out a village or ship for payment of something it desires or out of desire for companionship
I don't really like the trope of sophont troodontids cuz its been done too often, but I do have to admit that I really like ur dinosauroid, I like how u didint give them hand but kept wings instead which makes it look more realistic, I love the creativity behind the crowfolk, and the elephant ppl are also really cool
Thank you! I definitely wanted to do a spin on the trope, and also to leave it open that they may not even be troodontids. After many millions of years of evolution, their mesozoic ancestor doesn’t really matter I suppose.
@@TalesofKaimere ye, and another thing I like about ur project is how u don't really focus too much on the ancestors of the animals and on what descended from what, which gives the project this feel that it's actually being presented by kaimeran researchers instead of some outsider that knows everyting, it also gives the audience some room for speculation
Amazing content as always!! Absolutely love the idea of crowfolk spear throwers
Heck yeah! I have some designs but didn't get them finalized in time. For future episodes perhaps!
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Can’t say I blame them, considering the atrocities committed by The First Children.
12:16
It seems the First Children’s wrath affected everyone across Kaimere.
Hymans also commit violence and apperently they are the good guys. Wow
You really think every first children is a bad guy?? Is every humans a bad guy too???
Ecery mistake and error with his sapient species:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be pterosaurs but they look like mammals. Why? They aint mammals.
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours!!!
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
7)Pterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright. Only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunks.
8)Species are suppose to be divided by clans. Yet here we never see that.
@@Thunderblock7889
Dude, they’re fictional.
Calm the hell down.
You’re taking this way too seriously.
As you said that flightless tapejarids and troodonts have been sophont since the Tyrant Dynasty, going through the Dynastic Extinction and the Warring Clades Period must've been some experience for them.
Beings in the black-and-white main picture/thumbnail of this video :
- A Assembly naturalist human man, whatching his comrades/colleagues
- A Assembly naturalist kaimeran woman, taking notes from what she heard of the ongoing conversation onscreen.
- A Notzokideu male, part of the Assembly (and apparently a high grade member of his species, giing to it's outfit similar to the ones of a lord or a noble). Speaking with the Dinosauroid.
- A Chuga/Manephaunt, part of the Assembly.
- and a Skraa'aee/Dinosauroid (maybe Dreika himself) speaking to the Notzokideu.
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So . Keenan , I’m curious remember the raven king , well is it ok for me to utilize that character and represent kaimere . I really love your work and I think that having the raven king be something that you can just come across in your RUclips adventures would be cool . In fact I’m 100% giving you all the credit for both the characters the story of kaimere and the lore behind the raven king , I just really think more people should get to see your amazing creative and your godly story telling . Plus I think having the raven king be a character that just shows up out of the blue at any time would be amazing . You know like a kind of villain who everybody thinks is dead but then boom he’s just there in your comments or chat . That and I just really love your story’s
The Skraa'aee giving a lecture is my new favourite thing
He's got some schooling to do with these witches lol
Outstanding
Thank you!!
:0 this is great omg keep up the good work g
Thank you!
Another Incredible Video!! 👏👏👏👏👏 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Thank you!!!
@@TalesofKaimere your welcome 🤗
Dude out here casually making a worldbuilding project rivalling that of J.R.R. Tolkien
I just found your deviantart page, it's lovely to read about and see your art.
Thank you! Got a ton of lore and art on there. Hope you enjoy!
The Skraa'aee are so adorable and I don't know if this qualifies as- racist? Speciest? I wannan cuddle one but I don't know if that would be acceptable? Like, socially?? Would it be seen as offensive to want to cuddle one because they look adorable to me? What am I even doing with my life anymore man
You gotta take them out to dinner first bro
The Skraa'aee made me so giddy, I was hoping to see sophont dinosaurs in this setting!
We gotta get a story with one of all 4 species in a unit
Another Fantastic Video!!
Thank you!
@@TalesofKaimere your welcome
At 17:48 : The picture of Emahari with a Indrakai come from which of your story ? I forget ?
I thing it's from the unreleased yet "The Lost Hellfighter" novel ?
Another question, is this sequence and encounter with the Indrakai, noneless her Totem Animal, being important and responsible in a way later to her transormation into it ?
Something tells me the name Skraa’aee sounds better in their language then in English.
Oh absolutely
Yeah, in English it sounds like whoever’s saying it has something is trying to hold in a sneeze
Nothing bonds sophont species of Kaimere like First Children trauma
Truly the Great Uniter
Problems with his sapient species:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be birds but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism
An inter species war.
ptterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright. Only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunks
@@Thunderblock7889 more like you are just not listening... STOP SPAMMING
A "little" list of what we have currently, for the ones who wonder how many sapient/sophont beings exist on Kaimere alone.
Sapient beings on Kaimere (so far) :
* Human species =
- Kaimeran (Homo (sapiens) kaimerensis. Composed by several ethnics groups following the different regions of the Known World. With the Khalin, the Pakardiant, the Qadanith/Qajarith, Free-States, the Shu, the Telmede, the Kentarim/Khalin-Arvelith and the Arvelith. All themselves omposed by several sub-groups)
- Human (Homo (sapiens) sapiens. Composed by Modern Human (Assembly members or “Free-Workers” of the Free-States inside the Known World, but also descendants Egyptian, Mound Builders, Greeks and Olmecs outside this region on the other continents)
- Hinterland/Western/Arvelith Giants (Homo altus, human of Arvel/Western Continent. The Pakardiant population may represent a distinct species)
- Kaishelan/Tlaton (Human of Kaishel/South/Polar Continent)
- Kairulan/Eastern Giants (Human of Kairul/Eastern Continent)
- Northern/Ni’Khar/Ni’Khari Giants (Human of Ni’Khar/Northern Continent)
- Permian Islanders (Human of the Permian Islands)
- Jurassic Islanders (Human of the Jurassic Islands)
- First Childrens (Homo nevrospensis, extinct)
- Selikith/Maku (breed of non-kaimeran human created by the First Children and living now on Kairul)
- Vampires/Ghouls (just normal humans or kaimerans that have undergone a rare mutation)
- Some others species of Homo unamed and not discovered and not shown so far.
* Sapient non-human species =
(Naturals beings)
- Notzokideu (Flightless (Neo)Tapejarid pterosaur of Pakardia)
- Juiji (Flightless (Neo)Tapejarid pterosaur of Kaishel. Related to the Notzokideu. Other species outside him also exist in the same time on Kaishel)
- Chuga elephant/Chagaith/Khorikoim/Manephaunt (Gomphotere elephant)
- All the others Elephantidae and Gomphoteres of Kaimere (include the Highland Mammoth/Bosuga, the Drenduga, their dwarf species, and Lunar/Grassland Oliphaunt)
- Skraa'aee/Dinosauroïd ((Neo)Troodontidae of Kairul)
- Around a dozen of others unamed and unseen species of Sophont/Sapient animals species discovered by the Assembly so far.
(Potentially sapient/sophont natural beings. Very good evidences, but not defintive conclusions)
- An’Garu (Pakardiant’s Giant Ape. Primate of the Gloved Gibbon family)
- Moqrin (Species of orca, from the genus Orcinus. Include Moqrin/Gaqrin (normal typical Orca)’s Hybrids like Goliath. Should be in the confirmed list, per say).
(Non-natural/Magical beings)
- Harpies (Homunculi)
- Prairie Giants/Ogres (Homunculi)
- Khalorim/Khalori (Homunculi. Merfolk. Composed by several species)
- Milaq (Homunculi. Merfolk)
- Zhere Kun (Homunculi. Merfolk)
- Abagora (Homunculi. Merfolk)
- Ree’ek (Homunculi)
- Lu Gashul
- Bokushia/Olikideu, the Crocodile Demon (Homunculi. Specimen from an unnamed homunculi species so far)
- Grimhlaya/Grendel (Homunculi. Specimen from an unnamed homunculi species so far)
- All others Homuncilies species created by the First Children that exist on Kaimere.
All others animal species, so far, are Primitive/Animal Intelligence, so not sapient/sophont.
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I love the facial expression of the roosting firebird
Thanks! Had lots of fun with it!
Welcome to the bookclub, Jimbo.
man i'd love to grab a beer with some crowfolk. actually that's something i'd really like to see explored - kaimeran narcotics and alcohol!
Simply Marvelous!! You trully brought to life the magical races/species and other mythological beings of the fantasy genge by Scientifically speculative Logic!! Once again!! It's shocking to think of all the insane abuses of the first children to their constant mass produced abominations and compare them to the sentient species native to Kaimere and who knows how many other worlds too! It makes me think comparatively...
Lovely 🥰 the word Sofont Is wonderful I love this world 🙋🏾♀️
Man… the First Children are complete jerks. I have to wonder what’ll happen if one of them suddenly appeared on modern Kaimere?
Where are the inter species wars???
Everything wrong with his sapient species:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be birds but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
He needs to study biology better
@@Thunderblock7889 Damn……… I kinda don’t care! 😁
I've been following your work for a while now. Being a lover of tabletop role-playing games, I can't help but think that Kaimere would be an excellent setting for one. I doubt I'm the first person to bring up this idea. But I would say that I'd certainly play in or run a game based on this setting. It's certainly a setting that would be fun to explore.
Errors with his sapient animals:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be pterosaura but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks. They are not birds.
3)When it comes to interactions between his sapient animals you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
7)Pterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright. Only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunks.
8) species must be divided in clans yet we never see tthat here
@@Thunderblock7889 Respectfully, in what way does this reply relate to my comment? I feel it would do better as a comment all on its own with its own set of replies, rather than as a reply that only tangentially relates to a comment.
I don't know if you already elaborated on that, but is there an explanation for how magic developed such a peculiar way of enriching and diversifying its environment, and how are they able to survive and endure long travels into space? Instead, for instance, of evolving into more complex lifeforms (multicellular organisms or protozoan colonies - even if I know there's such latter lifeforms in Kaishel, my question is why did they let down that path on a broader scale?)
Hope we get a video on the silent ones. Maybe in a more broad video.
This is AWESOME!!!!! I’m sorry for being this guys but from the photo of the thumbnail alone, I feel a roommates/coworkers sitcom coming on 😂.
Haha I'm going for a very casual and friendly vibe. Will be their energy in the story I'm working on!
All I’m hearing about Jay Crows is that they’re capable of revenge.
And they enjoy it too
another banger video from keenan
wow... the third sophist's name is really rough on the human throat.
SKKRAAA'EEEEE
Yeah there's a reason many just call them birdfolk or dinosauroids lol
@@TalesofKaimere fair enough
Hey Keenan, have you ever thought of having miniatures/ sculptures made? I need a 3 foot tall miniature Uktan in my living room, and a Jurazhent as well, and a swimming Kurajaku on my desk!!
I would buy all of them haha. I did commission an uktan and hukolgur from Paleokhris and plan to showcase them once they’re painted, but a more regular line scaled for dnd minis is the ultimate dream
I would love to have any of them, of any size. Also, I’ve been thinking and tossing ideas around and I’ve settled in a class of large, tyrant class oviraptorosaurs to be my main carnivores in a similar way to your Robust Monarch Megaraptorans of Kaimere. Similar to the giant of Kaishel, but something I thought of when I was young, except it no longer is as fanciful as a terror bird/tyrannosaur hybrid like when I first conceptuallized Priad. Keep up the amazing work, Need a 10 inch Bokodu for my nightstand!
Your world is amazing
Thank you!
nice
AMAZING video
in my alternate universe of my world, there is a species of intelligent wyvern
All sophonts species of Kaimere coming together through their mutual hatred of the First Children lol! Great episode Keenan. What can we expect next week?
The great uniting force of the setting lol. Next week we have a special on the komatu, a large multituberculate predator from Kairul
@@TalesofKaimere We love some murder bunnies!
@@TalesofKaimereWhy would they unite??? Species are suppose to compete and be divided by clans. Where are their clans??
Why would they unite?? species are suppose to compete and be divided by clans. Where are their clans?????
@@fraan9002rabbits are not multituberculates.
What language are you looking to for inspiration for names like the Koga and Bosuga?
Wanting to make certain the name for my witch fits the world and isn’t just gobble gook.
I've intentionally made constructed languages (would be weird for them to use real languages) so none of them are directly inspired. Unfortunately the languages aren't speakable yet so I'm not able to share finalized lists or anything
So what are the stories of the spirits for these species? We know what the indrakais spirit is like but what of the others?
Imagine being an earth human encountering these beings for the first time.
Was a crazy time
Criiticisms and problems with his sapient species:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be birds but they look like mammals. Why? They are not mammals.
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
@@TalesofKaimereWhen are the inter-species wars gonna begin???
Inter-species war and battle for dominance.
@@Thunderblock7889 they won't... that's up to keenan and you don't like it too bad for you,.
I was looking away and checking on something at the end there when I suddenly heard my name and peeked up like a deer hearing a twig break lmao
Haha name drop jump scare
Really wonderful episode. Very informative and educational. Enjoyed it a lot.
Thank you!
Its not informative or educational. He lies all the time:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be pterosaurs but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
7)Pterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright. Only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunks.
8) species are suppose to be divided by clans. Yet here we never see that.
9)The first children being all evil is a generic sci fi trope. Humans have done evil too. That does not mean every human is evil.
@@TalesofKaimereNope. You sprraded misinformation all the way. From anthropomorphising and worshiping xenos, claiming that pterosaurs would be mammals, that species will unite over intelligence (out species have kiled each other for centuries despite being the same species, chimps also go to war.) That an entire species can be evil and that sapirnt dinos have beaks when they dont.
@@Thunderblock7889 YES IT IS.
leave keenan alone.
@@Thunderblock7889 "The first children being all evil is a generic sci fi trope. Humans have done evil too. That does not mean every human is evil."
whilst that is true... in the case of the first children, the "good" people among them would have not been ruling at the time.
This video is super awesome, and it gives me lots of inspiration for world building in my dnd setting!
I’ve got a few questions tho:
What caused the First children to be so cruel to other species?
Outside of all the magic experiments and invasions, what was first children culture like? Did they have morals? Did they care about each other?
Do these sophonts have complex gender identities like us humans? If so, how do they interact with their identities?
When a Notzokideu or Skraa’aee speak human languages (both earth human and kaimeran) what do they sound like? I imagine at least one of them sound like glep from smiling friends😂/j
Thanks!
1. It is believed that they saw themselves as distinct to a degree that they didn’t see other people as their level of sentience. Other peoples weren’t, well, people, so they were ethically able to mistreat them. They seem to have cared for one another. A civilization that large couldn’t function without at least a degree of empathy, but it seems at least the dominant culture did not extend that empathy to other human species.
Depends! For the manephaunt, who are strictly matrilineal and lead by the eldest female, sex and gender are important. The Skraa’aee are dimorphic in color, and color is very important to them, and most of their cultures do put a fair emphasis on sex. They are a patrilineal people for the most part, mostly because males take charge of brooding. Notzokideu aren’t dimorphic and sex/gender really only matters for the act of mating. Some clans incorporate gender from interactions with Pakardiant but generally it’s not something they personally care about.
The Skraa’aee tend to have a high pitched somewhat screeching voice. Notzokideu are mimicking words other people say, so their words often have a disjointed intonation like a gps or other AI language software. Don’t know that property but hope that clarifies!
Are you Going To Make A Video About The Skraa’aee
I’m confident they will come up again
17:15 WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ?!😱
Just a little guy
I love skraa'aee and notzokideu❤
Here’s a question . What are the crocodiles like on Kaimere ? You know when they where around
No idea why, but when i saw the thumbnail, it made me immediately think that they are a kaimeran dnd party...
Oh that’s definitely the angle I’m taking their story
@@TalesofKaimere 😮
17:11 MF's really pull Chatterraven💀
What exactly are the silent ones?…
Are you ever going to make an in depth video about them?
Well that card he gave us was pretty helpful. Watcheeriidae where a primitive class of tetrapods/amphibians from the Carboniferous, so it seems that the Silent ones are a very ancient offshoot from whatever Paleozoic wildlife was harvested and left to evolve.
I indeed have an upcoming episode on them! First Tuesday of July (so two episodes from now)
@@baneofbanes Wait that’s an amphibian?! I always thought it was some kind of bat creature.
@@TalesofKaimere If there amphibians then I’m curious how they solved the problem of drying out? Also if the adults are terrifying imagine the nightmare fuel there tadpoles are…
@@TheSandwhichman108 They are part of a group called Heteroterm, they are a sort of amphibian tetrapod lineage which originate from the very first Harvest, but they cannot be really called amphibian after so many time.
There is something between Kaimere and Earth??
How do skraa'aee interact with Kairulan predators?
How would sophont non-human animals react to what goes on in Earth?
Maybe the Skraa’aee would be just as terrified of the Jurassic Park depictions of raptors and Troodontids (in the telltale game) as we would if we saw human like monster such as a Wendigo
4th time asking if and when the languages and writing systems of Kaimere will be discussed
4th time saying if someone sponsors the subject I’m all in!
On Objecia, one of the best ways to survive is by being intelligent. Most creatures on Objecia could create civilizations if given the chance. Even the sharks on Objecia are intelligent. So, they know what they are doing. Some creatures on Objecia that are not objects or neohumans already have developed society, a language, and even religions.
Some examples of highly intelligent Objecian animals include:
All species of Harold's whale
The Mega Elephant
Hyper Predatory Beaked Whale
Yellow Pond Fish
City Hognose Snake
now imagine if someones make a RPG game like d&d but with kaimere settings, i would buy it
That’s a (long term) goal! Got a lot more to develop but within the next few years I’m hoping to have a module and setting book out
Hmmm this has me wondering, the mentioning of all these people having direct tales of the First Children and all becoming sophant, what would happen if you introduced the magic of a spohant species to a more closely related non-sophant species?
That is almost certainly an experiment the First Children conducted
@@TalesofKaimere ...I dont think its a good idea anymore now that you mention it lmao
I love the jay crow mafioso extortionists.
I’m glad the Silent Ones debuted so soon after that segment lol
all i can really see when looking at the little theropod is how i could easily cook them and whether or not they'd go well with general tso's sauce. (for those who can't tell this is a joke)
Lol oof
I'd love to see the selection of tools the Skraa'aee have invented
I have some lined out but didn't end up having time to finalize them for the episode. Dree'ekhaa's jaw-held 'punching dagger' on his belt is an example of their weaponry.
I wonder if there is any sophant caecilians out there. We have crow, dinosaur, and elephant folk so why not subterranean snake like amphibians as well?
See I'm confused what differentiates intelligent animals from people.
It’s a very difficult distinction (aside from cladistics of course)
God bless
It would be interesting a story for children, legend or story that tells of some long creatures with hands with horrible 10 fingers and big eyes that kidnap children to never be seen again, which in the end turns out to be tales of other species about humans or the first children are the monsters of those legends
Me seeing goldbricks commenting on tales of kaimere sapient video:calm.Remembering what he says about the qu and what he types in the comments.Ah shit here we go again.
His comments boost the algorithm Im not getting bent lol
Im curious that Kimear seems to push higher intelligence in species. Is this do to the hyper competitive environment? A byproduct of first children tinkering? Or the magic itself boosting native intelligence?
Also the more you hint about them the more curious I am about the origins of the first children. Some of how they are described makes them seem like almost a case of convergent evolution rather than evolving from an earlier human relative.
I’m taking some notes from modern species: many are what I would consider sophont (though I must say I haven’t studied animal cognition and the consensus of crow, elephant, ape, and cetacean has been challenged). It has been mentioned that Earth’s high number of highly intelligent species may be due to the ice ages (cold leads to stored nutrients which could possibly lead to greater ability to invest in intelligence) but that theory isn’t without its detractors and is pretty fringe so I didn’t take it as gospel.
That said, Kaimere is a very large planet and while I included many nonhuman sophonts from Earth like the clades mentioned above, I felt it would be odd for the only high-intelligence species to come from recent harvests, so I developed a few indigenous clades to get there on their own. Kaimere’s biodiversity is several orders of magnitude higher than on Earth, so I imagine the ratio of sophont animas kinda evens out.
Their origins are unknown, but the description of many beings calling them insects or monsters is due to their suits or Homunculi. The beings themselves have had skeletons found and studied and while early archaeologists assumed them children or Kaimerans with any number of growth conditions, it’s been long recognized that these are the First Children of ancient myth
@@TalesofKaimere ahhh that makes sense.
Do the Manephant ever sell cologne or perfume to their human contacts? Or other scented products such as popurri or scented candles? Or vice versa?
I only question how those lil elephant dudes can craft their items and materials, I know elephant trunks and such are very sensitive and nimble but they must have some insane drive to work with others to get simple tasks done like carving out wood for a ship or the weaving of fibers. What for us with two hands and ten individual digits (plus our mouths and feet) they've only got their trunk and arguably foot pads/lower jaws to work with.
Love the attention to spec evo and intelligence in the video though still! Good work as always
Thank you! There’s a mix of fine motor tasks they can just do with the trunk or by holding in place with a tusk, and heavier tasks that require full body motions.
Errors and problemz with his sapient animals:
1)The Notzokideu are suppose to be pterosaurs but they look like mammals. Why?
2) In the title card one of the vidoe features sapient dinos with a beak. Dromeosaurs dont have nor need beaks.
3)When it comes to interactions between your sapient species you only portrayed them as being ftiendly, ignoring inter-species antagonistic behaviours.
4)Sapient species objectively require to use tools to be sapient, as there is no point on having that intellect if they wont use it.
5)We also never get to see behavioural differences or clans of this sapient animals.
6)Possible anthropomorphism and anthropomocentrism.
7)Pterosaurs cannot become sapient because they cant walk upright. Only vertebrates that can walk upright can be sapient unless they have trunks.
8)Species must be divided by clans yet we never see them.
Spec evo is overrated
@@Thunderblock7889 more like you are being an moron.
another hint on the nature of the silent ones! And the jays will literally lure them to kill people who didn't give enough treats? dang, sociopathic/psychopathic traits, even if the disorders themselves can't necessarily be applied to non-hominids.
Oh yeah they’re ruthless lol
Are there any juiji members of the Assembly?
Yes
How long have the chuga been sophont?
Unknown, but assuming their mainland ancestor was also sophont (a safe bet considering the other living grassland oliphaunt is considered sophont) at least a million years. Probably more.
17:09 ah man thats pretty disturbing
That was a very good video ! However, it’s true that the terms to refer to an either animal intelligence or human intelligence beings others than a human is sometimes, see often, difficult to understand and can lead to some confusions.
Here the definition, in their pure and objective form, of the term used in it, or frequently used in your other videos (from Wiktionary and some others official professional sites) =
- Sophont : (Science fiction) To be intelligent, intelligent species.
- Sentient : who is sensible/is endowed with sensation.
- Sapient : 1 . Wise
2 . Related to Homo sapiens/ human (or being as Homo sapiens/a human).
Basically, to be short, to have the same, equal or greater, (level of) intelligence and awareness than a human.
And, simply, to be a human in an animal body (or in an alien body, if the being is an extraterrestrial).
If I put that here, it’s because in your videos, you often referred and used the words “Sentient” and “Sophont” in a different way that their true and commonly accepted meaning.
If I say no mistakes, from your videos, basically, “Sentient” seems to mean “Near Sophont/Human intelligence and awareness (or simply Sapient)”.
While “Sophont” is here just a complete synonym for “Sapient” and mean “Human intelligence and awareness”.
And indeed, is the case in real life as well, if from the definition of the word I relay here, we take “To be intelligent, intelligent species” as to be human intelligence and awareness.
Of course, any bad criticism intended here, and I completely respect (completely) your own personal definition of these terms.
But still, even, this specific and personal definition use (can) sometimes leave (many of) us (including me, especially once when I started to follow the channel) confused or biased at the end.
Because some of us currently or have thought that some others non-sapient animal in Kaimere actually are sapient. (Myself included, when long ago I see the Non-Hominid Intelligent Animals slide picture in the “Kaimere Q&A 2 | Sci-Fi/Fantasy Worldbuilding Questions” episode very long ago).
Like the Ru’Kel parrot, other parrots (like the Luka Parrot), several dolphins, some whales, crows, the different Kraken species, or even the iconic Indrakai and Titan Crow themselves. Among some others.
Sure, they are all very intelligent animals, but not sapient/sophont. (like even explained here in this video, even the Assembly commonly, in a great consensus, to not regard them as sapeintsophont due to the extreme great lack of all the evidence needed to be regarded as such)
Because these terms are quite tricky and complex terms, most (if not all) people who made Spec Evo or fantasy or science-fiction setting don’t use “Sentient” or “Sophont” for the sake of simplicity.
They simply use just the term “Sapient” or “Primitive/Animal” intelligence, to differentiate clearly the beings that are exactly like human inside and the ones that are just normal animals.
Because these two term are precise yet more understandable and affordable to us. (and the common way/style I will always follow and use as well, personally).
For, me personally, the term “Sapient” is better to (be) use and to manage to explain things in a simple way.
All fantasy and science fiction franchises use this term very commonly (Star Wars for example).
In general, simply, every beings referred as sapient are completely like humans in intelligence and awareness, and everything else is just typical animal intelligence.
Nothing else and it’s all.
While “Sentient” is more scientific and “Sophont” being a term exclusive to science-fiction but still not frequently used, so less known to most people.
In addition to be quite abusive term that can be used on a very ultra large panel of beings, both Sapients and non-sapients in the same time, togethers.
Since “Sentient” mean just and literally being capable to feel sensation and/or emotions and experience things subjectively (like being sad, or being hurt, to feel the pain).
However, every organic life on Earth, even from the very first one, and the most basic, are sentient.
The famous Blob, aka Physarum polycephalum, despite being unicellular, have proved to be extremely complex and to feel pain, and stuff showing it can remember its own experienced and to give them to other members of its own species, to have memories.
Plants life as a whole also is a perfect example. To feel pain, and emotion, and to have memories.
And “Sophont” mean just and literally being intelligent, whatever the subject is sapient or not.
And even just stop to HAVE an intelligence at all, whatever the level of this latter, in some aspects, if we really take the extreme purest form of the term.
Meaning that even very low intelligence animals (like a Mussel, with 0 to 8 of QI) or even AI like Robots can be called under this term, that they are “Sophont”.
Because even if limited, they still have an intelligence of their own.
So, yes, that quite a very complex and tricky subject and area that we are here.
But of course, everything here was just my personal thoughts and what are actually the things in general and as most people used them most of the time.
Which however don’t mean there are restrictions and interdictions to use some of these things out of the beaten tracks and to do things differently (whatever even a little).
And still, like I said, this episode is still very good, and I don’t think, fortunately, that it really suffers from from any kind of confusions or elements that can leave us biased.
Any of that to be completely honest.
And per say, I thing it's was also good to discuss and deep more into the uses or defintions of these terms, and to compare the different opinions and perspectives of each about them.
So, yeah, outside this big overall point, a very good episode as always !
10/10
"Note : This comment was liked/appreciated by Kennan Taylor.
Was however forced to delete my comment due to low and not nice comment from a guy having negatives speciesism and who keep saying what keenan was doing was dumb and anthropomorphising, thus not."
Keenan's official response to this comment :
"I didn't use 'my own definition of the terms' the words have pretty nuanced meanings and I stand by my use of them. As clarified in the episode, all three words can appropriately be applied, but since sophont has the most narrow definition, I defaulted to its use. Any word I use is going to get advocates for the other two in the comments so I'm not surprised, but again, I stand by what I said."