Part of the reason people enjoy your content so much is A. You’re honest B. You review mostly affordable equipment C. Your personality Don’t change anything you do. I think I speak for most of us when I say that we enjoy the heck out of your videos.
We all 20:54 have our own opinion, no need to get in a pissing contest , 22's are what they are , nasty but cheap an fun to shoot but I've had to work on some to get them to cycle , thanks foe all you do an GOD Bless you and your family
Hi! My dad was an FFL & we used to see that same loading/cycling problem with many "budget" firearms straight from the factory. 99% of the time it was because the shipping oil used by many manufacturers, while more protetive against MOISTURE for "storage" purposes, can get quite "Sticky" in a very short time, particularly with more heat & cold . For this exact reason, we always recommend customers clean & properly lube their new firearm BEFORE they shot it for the first time. Hope this knowledge helps down the road!
Do guys actually not know this? I remember I got a brand new KAC m16 in the fleet and the amount of packing grease was unreal. Funny story, my buddy got a new one shortly after u did. We were doing a training op and our halon system went off. He hadn't had a chance to remove the grease and his entire rifle was coated with the white powdery shite. He wasn't willing to drop the handguards off so he had a white barrel and gas system 😂.
Yes! I didn't see the first video but from experience I had a gun Malfunction nonstop out of box. Cleaned it well and it shoots flawlessly. It was the shipping oil.
I own a Keltec 32acp I've had for year's but every manufacturer has had bad products get through. Just because you have a good experience with something doesn't mean another will. With that said, most pro shooters and professionals who use gun's as a tool say 200 rounds should be run through a weapon before trusting or using for survival, (with the ammo you are going to carry). Ammo is expensive but cheap when it comes to your life or loved ones.
If if doesn't run it's junk. Back in the 90's I bought a Saturday night special Lorcin 380 and it run 100's and 100's of rounds and no failure. The next person bought them and they were unreliable. You never know sometimes.
@neilkratzer3182 I agree, if it doesn't eat everything I put into it, I don't want it unless it's a CZ 75 SP01 tactical thar doesn't like flat tip 147gr. The CZ eats everything except that.
it's just me, but I always clean a new gun before I shoot it. It gives me a chance to visibly inspect each part and remove all the coatings and gunk from the packaging or from sitting in a box at the back of a shelf for who knows how long before the gun was shipped. Seems that is good general advice for the future.
The Kel Tek manual suggests using 40 grain high velosity ammo which helps to rack the slide via blowback and to load a new round to the chamber. They even supply a list of preferred ammo that they have tested themselves.
Heck, I don’t have that much trouble with my 45 acp 1911. Funny that you apologize for taking so long. It’s just me though, I even watch Paul Harrell videos for fun and education. The whole reason I’m on here is to watch and learn, Thank ya boss
I just purchased the P17 and experienced the same issues. It seemed to get better after about 50 rounds. I just deducted that it must have a break in period. Everything seems to have settled down. Keep up the great work! You Rock!!!
Keep doing what you do. I have that gun in the exact same color. I have never had any problems with any of the different brands of ammo I have used even with my shusher, but I am also a former mechanic and work in construction which means I know that anything man-made is inherently un-perfect. Even the best and most expensive guns have issues and some of the most expensive "hand-fit" "custom" guns require break-ins and are picky with ammo. I own Sig, S&W, Springfield, Henry, numerous ARs and IWI among others. None of them are perfect. I'm not a fanboy for any. Keep 'em coming!
This man is Hank hill doing gun reviews. Waiting on the propane and propane accessories pitch to come at the end of the. Great video man I subscribed and watched the full video even the clipazine reloads . Looking forward to more videos .
But I’ll buy a 4-wheeler and do all kind of work to it and clean it, change the oil, repack bearings, replace filters..... when I go mudden. 🤦♂️ Don’t be lazy. Clean your firearms so they work and/or don’t blow up in your face. Nothing is ready to go out the box.
@@mrpibb7781 Nope Gryphon is spot on in how people are. They will buy a 4-wheeler, a Harley , an ATV side by side and have to work on all of them, but heaven forbid they actually take time to know their weapon. In Military basic training they teach you how to operate it before you shoot it. How is this any different?
@@mrpibb7781 Agreed every block in Springfield. I’ve ever pulled out of the box and Ruger Smith & Wesson worked without having to do anything to make it go bang.kel tec is Sadly, not a top end product. I think I have more faith in High Point working out of the box.
I love my P17. Haven't had any issues with it. Sorry to hear you had so much trouble. Keltec definitely is an innovative company...but their quality control leaves a little something to be desired.
Exaxtly! The shipping oil used by many manufacturers, while more protetive against MOISTURE for "storage" purposes, can get quite "Sticky" in a very short time, particularly with more heat & cold . Needs cleaning and better lube to insure preformance.
My P17 had the same issue of jamming and misfiring. But my friend has one that fires every time. Being that I live only two hours from the KelTec factory, I called and took the gun up there on my way to another destination. The staff was so friendly and helpful. Seems they had a batch of these with the wrong spring tension or something like that. I left it with them. They sent it back to me free via UPS a few days later, right to my house. Since then, I have fired over 1000 rounds of all sorts of .22LR through it. Low velocity, high velocity, standard, etc. Not ONE misfire or jam! Bottom line is this. It's a great and reliable .22 once you get it repaired. It's an easy, fast and free repair, including free return shipping right to your house. Nothing like firing off 16 quick rounds from a gun that weighs about a pound.
I have a pmr30, had the same issues out of the box. Cleaning did not fix my issue unfortunately, but after some research, I replaced the plastic feed ramp with stainless, upgraded the recoil springs, and trigger kit, and it's the most fun and accurate little pistol I own. I ordered all of my parts from M Carbo and installed them myself. Not too bad to take either!
The Ruger LCP II 22 has a reputation for a spring issue. I spent a few bucks on corrected springs from Galloway and it fixed it right up to near perfection. 10% lower spring rate firing pin spring, higher spring rate extractor and hammer spring. Why not just do that at the factory guys... It seems ridiculous to not fix that administratively.
@@kawrss31 Of course your comment makes sense if we have a choice. I only address the issue that is common to the trade. Many companies including those who make very expensive or fancy products do not provide a decent level of customer service much less an exemplary one. Ruger is fantastic at warranty but Sig or HK not so much. Of course a Sig or HK is a higher quality item but after paying top dollar it sucks to get stiffed on service. I am not implying a Kel Tec is in that level, only that they value their customers and do all they can to correct issues. If you had a bad one I can understand why you feel that way.
Agreed. Great warranty, but mine took about 6 months to get a pmr-30 back. It was pretty new at the time and flying off the shelf. May have something to do with it.
@@giavanti0003 That is a shame to hear. If I remember right there was a production issue on the barrels and they had to redesign it. They stopped production till it was worked out. I have serial number 35 still in the box unfired. But it was corrected. And yes, they sold them faster than they could make them so they took a big hit stopping production but that’s how George is. Very honest and customer oriented.
Incorrect. They won't repair the KSG that is sitting in the safe. The damn thing has chunks of the receiver missing because of poor craftsmanship. It started losing these chunks because racking the damn thing is such a task. Poor fit, poor craftsmanship, cheap materials. So it's in the safe it sits until I decide to get it melted down. Totally useless hunk of shit, that the company won't honor their warranty on.
I know nobody reads manuals. the manual says "use only high velocity ammo, if you don't it may cause feed problems.LOW POWER AMMO AND/OR LIGHT WEIGHT BULLETS MAY CAUSE FEEDING PROBLEMS DUE TO THE LACK OF ENERGY TO FULLY CYCLE THE SLIDE. This is also the case if the grip is not held firmly.
Hey man, love your videos. I just bought a P17 identical to that and love it, regardless of what others may have said about shooting CCI ammo, I noticed the CCI that you used said "Standard Velocity" on the box, the P17 owners manual specifically says to run High Velocity Ammo. I have not had any failures with any high velocity ammo, I have not shot any "standard velocity" through it as I figured it may not cycle properly.
Best 22 I’ve ever bought. Never had an issue…not even a FTF and that was expected with rimfire…weird thing is i can run 500 rounds in a row on the thing without an issue, but as soon as I pull out the bolt gun I get a FTF atleast once every 50 rounds.
I've made it a habit to always field strip and lubricate a new gun before making my first trip to the range with it. Some of the new guns I've bought in recent times had problems with light strikes and cycling due to gummy preservative/lubricant that was applied at the factory. The stuff the manufacturers use might give it an indefinite shelf life, but didn't hold up well to live fire. A spritz of CLP with a wipe down, followed by RemOil for general lubrication, and with something a little thicker for the slide rails or in places where I wanted some to "stay put" has served me well. As far as using the slide release to close the slide, I had problems with Ruger MK II where a burr developed on an internal part, and the slide wouldn't lock open on the last shot. I delicately removed that said burr with a small file, and it's been fine since. I hope this helps.
You have to store the P17 in a jar or large coffee can of oil. Mine soaks in oil until it’s time to shoot it. Make sure the rounds are soaked in oil for at least 48 hours also. Bring a bottle of oil to the range also and oil it in between each mag change.
You’re not going out of your way to make it work. I’ve been told manufacturers use a rust inhibitor instead of a lubricant because they don’t and can’t know how long a firearm could sit in a box on a shelf or in a distribution center. Why I always clean, lube and then inspect any firearm I get be it new or used even. That way I know it’s been inspected, cleaned and lived. Then if there’s an issue/problem, I know it isn’t because it wasn’t cleaned and lubed. Cleaning and lube fixed it. Especially if it wasn’t cleaned and lived to begin with. lol And FWIW- I don have one and have no plans to get one so I have no skin in the game about this pistol.
Never had to do all that nonsense for all my guns that have worked perfectly fine out of the box. A little oilayne or wiping off grease, and a quality modern gun should be good to go. But these guns look like they are made of spare parts and Playtel toy plastic. The profit margin on these, being sold for the same as their competitors, must be giant (you can yell they are made from crazy by handling them and looking at them). But yeah most of the time they run well. But I got 2 in different trades and both were unreliable. But I've seen plenty work very well.
@@testing2741 Regular guns are built different. The recoil spring on this thing is SO insanely light because of the slide that even a little gunk can slow it down.
I really like my Keltec P17s! One of 4 had the same problem of not fully closing when it was new and uncleaned before the first trip to the range. After cleaning and lubing it runs well, like the other 3. I like the P17 better than the Bersa Thunder 22, Taurus TX22, TX22C, Ruger LCP II 22 and Walther P22Q. I add the Hogue grip for the Glock 43X and a green micro laser to the P17. The LCP II and Bersa Thunder 22 will mount the Armalaser grip activated lasers which are nice.
I would never fire sub sonic in a semi auto ... not enough kick to cycle ... CCI are a good hot round to cycle a semi auto ... I ran into same problem with Winchester white box in a 22LR semi auto rifle ... good cleaning AND CCI stingers and it ran like a dream ... love ur vids btw ... keep em coming
@@ElGregorio-h7m Well, Ruger clearly states it's LCP II 22LR is for high-velocity ammo only...I wouldn't expect it to cycle subsonics. So given that it seems SOME guns weren't designed not to run low-velocity stuff. Will TRY some in it though AND in my Kel Tec P17 as well -- the next time I go out shooting. Sadly, the MY Ruger LCP has issues with Federal Punch, so I carry CCI Mini Mags in in instead. Some people say their Rugers DO cycle Punch just fine (and everything else), some say theirs do not, so you won't know until you try Punch in yours. -- BR
@@byron-k7s Same for my Ruger LCP II 22LR...except it's only 80% reliable with my PREFERRED ammo -- Federal Punch. Although other people say it works 100% in THEIR Rugers, it doesn't in mine. Go figure... -- BR
Well, you certainly gave it the fairest shake. Thanks for another great video! My hypothesis is Keltec should have used a progressive recoil spring to handle a wider range of energy.
Been subbed for a long long time. I don't watch RUclips as much anymore but know you are one of the realest people and channels out there. Love you HTH and thanks for all the good videos. God bless brother
I bought a P17 about three weeks ago and have about 250 rounds through it do far. It has demonstrated this issue, the slide not quite fully going back into battery, a number of times. No ftf, fte, or any other problems. Highly accurate and fun to shoot. A gentle nudge on the back of the slide with a thumb closes the slide. Great range gun, but I wouldn't make it my EDC. I suspect after another 250 rounds through it, the problem may become rare or vanish. I suspect the slide is just a tad heavy for 22lr, causing this problem, with sometimes not quite enough gas pressure to fully cycle the slide.
Maybe it just needed to be broken in. Looks like a good little rig. I had a buddy who also had a TON of issues with subsonic rounds in his Ruger, but I can't remember which brand they were. Maybe subsonic rounds are best left to bolt actions and lever-guns.
I have two, I love them, they both had to have polishing and smoothing because they rubbed everywhere, high spots, imperfections and a sharp edge on the feed bore. A few minutes with polish and a dremel and there magic, simple and accurate and you will love it too! You are a honest man, thanks.
Hey lol if you're the kind of person that likes to spend money on poorly constructed products simply to have to repair/modify just to make them perform the way they should out of the box then thanks for being a reason aliens won't talk to us.
I've tried all the cheap guns and that's what they are. Hi point, Taurus, SCCY, I shoot, and carry a Beretta storm, and it shoots better than anything you have shot buddy. Out of the BOX....@@coronalight77
$550.00 if you know where to look. 10 mil. and will shoot through car windows, or a wall, will your plinker? my rifle is an AR American arms 9 mil. All the guns except these two, I put in a box and sold to the highest bidder (Not that high) tow nights ago.@@coronalight77
I’m not a fanboy on any brand, because I have listened to them many times and ended up buying a lemon of a gun that I had to work with just to make it work. Thanks for being transparent on everything, the reason why I watch a lot of your videos.
I carry a P-17 daily, hanging on the inside of the bib of my Carhart overalls in a kydex holster. I like it because it is very light weight. It has been dependable enough for me. I'm on a low budget, so I chose it. Thanks for the video!
Good to see that you listen to your viewers and gave the firearm another chance. I have owned at least 2 firearms that were packed in Cosmoline/Grease. Once I got them cleaned and oiled, they were fine. I like Rem Golden Bullets and use them a lot. Yes, I do get a few that have misfires but for bulk ammo, it's fine. I use Federal Punch when I want to carry my .22. It shoots very well in all of my .22 firearms.
Every firearm has shipping grease out of the box. It’s not as bad as it used to be, but it’s there and needs to be removed before the first round. That’s why the owners manual for literally every firearm tells,not to, but how to clean it before firing it. It’s not to prop up a solvent & oil racket. It’s for proper function and your safety.
I am one who thoroughly enjoys my Keltec P17, but it hates Aguilla ammo. Gums it up and it sticks every round. But it has eaten everything else I’ve put through it. Great vid.
My P-17, I mostly use Aguila super extra because it is cheap like 6¢ per round and I have zero problems. I found out when you lube the gun, do not lube around back of the barrel area and firing pin area. Those two area need to be completely dry. I have bought 20,000 round of Aguila super extra and I go to range two times a month. About 500-600 rounds on each visit to range. P-17 along with M&P 15-22. Zero problems with that ammo.
I had a problem with my P17 out of the box--Safety was so difficult to use, I couldn't put it on "safe". Sent it back, Keltec fixed it, runs great now. I really like it. I do take the point though, that if you have to work on it when it is brand new, that's not very good.
You are supposed to clean new firearms before you shoot them,cutting oils etc,will cause issues in some firearms,just a good practice to do to keep your firearms functional,Thanks for what you do!
Problem is with 22lr semi-autos, they prefer high velocity ammo to run reliably. And so far the 2 best 22lr semi auto handguns is the taurus tx22 and then keltec p17. Even glock 44 runs like poo.
@@cfurges-WarVet4eva Very important point here. .22LR is finicky. Always has been. I almost feel like it's pointless to go for a .22 budget gun unless you know it's very decent and you only plan to target shoot. I got my first Ruger .22 MarkIV not long ago. I have not had time with it to get a lot of rounds though, but seems solid as heck. Mags are super easy to load too, plus.
Doesn't matter which gun manufacturer you buy. You are supposed to clean the gun after unboxing. Not a complete cleaning just a takedown and swabbed out good n lightly oil the gun while making sure you dont over oil the gun..Common since and at the end of the day it is very possible you could get a lemmon. Same as buying a new truck or car.
I have one and zero issues over 1k rounds. Ive bought a Kimber micro9 nightfall, Beretta PX4 storm and Springfield Armory 1911 and had to send those 3 back to be reworked and all three failed from the time I bought them. Any manufacturer can have problems with their products. It is unrealistic to bash any company on a problem pistol. Send it back to have it reworked instead of complaining. I've actually had zero problems with the cheap ones I've bought.
Mine was terrible. It had an out of spec chamber and was blowing up in my face with case head failures. I sent it back for warranty repair, they replaced almost everything and sent it back and it’s run fine ever since. I’m pretty happy with their customer service but you’d better keep your receipt!
If I have to baby a gun just to get it to work, clean after every shot I will not use it to protect me and mine. Just the right ammo, hold it just a certain way, or whatever list of other excuses is not something you can depend on.
My tx22 had a sticky slide when I first got it. It wouldn't go into battery, you could see the gunk and grease in it. So before I loaded it up I field stripped and cleaned and lubed it. Never a problem after. So I make a habit of cleaning every firearm I get before using it. It helps me to get acquainted with the gun and I know that there isn't any crud in the works.
My wife's was jamming and FTF too. I finally took it apart and found two things. Both were in the slide fireing pin area. 1 THE Brass roll pin that also acts as the spring stop for the fireing pin spring was set down to far allowing the spring to roll over the roll pin, fixed by movingroll pin up to max hight. 2 The fireing pin it's self has quite sharp edges, fix by buffing entire fireing pin. Now she may git a FTF after 200 rounds + I feel that this is good for the gun. I did polish the feed ramp too. I do clean after every range day.
I have a new Ruger LCP II 22 and this last weekend I did a test, 225 Rem Golden Bullet vs 225 of CCI Mini-Mag. The results were Remington: 3 feed fail (1 ramp and 2 strip), 1 misfire (4 restrike attempts - bad round), 1 extract fail, 1 stovepipe, 4 low powder charges that were obvious and wouldn't cycle the slide. Then without any cleaning or lube I ran the CCI: 0 errors. Besides the obvious quality control results, I also noticed that the CCI case polish is very glossy, and I think that helps a lot in these little guns. The Remington case has that ring of dimples around the middle, and I have to wonder if that isn't helping. No matter how you slice it, ammo selection is the top factor in 22 auto pistol reliability.
I bought an LCP mags that wouldn't feed. I sent it to Ruger they fixed it and I have not had one misfire since. I bought one of these a few days ago took it out twice now and it's not misfired once. If it really well, So sometimes I think you get a dud with guns. Even though you shouldn't LOL. Gun manufacturers you should make sure their gun works right the first time but, let's see how this video goes LOL. I honestly subscribed because of this video I really enjoy honest reviewers of guns. Thanks for the video.
I didn't see the first video and I am sorry I agree with you. If I have to use specific ammo and clean it every time I use it I don't want it. Also I'm not going to waste my money on a 22 pistol no matter who makes it or how great it is. I'm sorry I don't buy a pistol for killing roaches and rats. Yes, I understand that the cost of ammo is going up but I prefer to practice with what I carry that way I am proficient with it not something that I don't carry. Thank you for your videos
Who Tee Who, you were one of the 1st RUclipsrs I started watching & subbed to a few years ago. Always enjoy watching your reviews and ammo ballistic tests.
Page 8 and 9 of the P17 manual says; use "high velocity ammo only", SAAMI spec, page 8. "Low power ammo and/or light weight bullets may cause feeding problems due to lack of energy to fully cycle the Slide", page 9.
My p17 was doing the same thing where the slide would not come forward all the way, except mine would do it after EVERY round. The issue seemed to be that I was using copper plated bullets. When I switched to lead bullets, it worked 95% of the time. It still has a failure to feed once every couple magazines. It's a fun target shooting gun, but that's all I'd use it for. I'd never rely on it for any self defense scenario
No worries about complainers. I can say I was bought a new Henry from my wife. It fired one shot and locked up. Looking at it as much as possible without tearing into it showed nothing. I shipped it back to Henry and they had shavings found in it and cleaned it and sent it back with in a week. Has worked flawlessly since. I don’t do break ins. Ridiculous imo. A gun should work fine when coming out of factory. But mistakes happen.
I have this one as well as the TX-22, and hands down this one wins. It feels great in the hand, and I've never had a single issue. I did clean it before firing it, load all mags to capacity with zero issues, various ammo-zero issues. I will say that I heard of magazine issues early on, and am thinking that, or the subsonic bullets possibly not being straight and causing them not to seat properly. I say that because it did that before you even shot it. I've run into that alot, especially with cheaper ammo...my 10/22 even jams up on those. I can understand your skepticism due to first experience...but give it a chance and it'll become a favorite. I carry it frequently because it's so small & light...the pistol w/3 full mags weigh less than anything with 1 mag. It's accuracy is also excellent. And the take down for maintenance is a breeze. For the price, in my opinion, nothing comes close...the only gripe I have is finding a good iwb holster!!! Love your videos, and if you still wind up not loving it I'll be happy to take it off your hands😊.
Just watched this video, I have a KelTec PMR33 that did the same. Told a man about the issues at a gun store/shooting range, he suggested to load the magazines half full, shoot several mags like that, apparently the spring in the mags has to be broken in. Tried and had no issues after several half loaded mags run through it. I was going to get rid of mine as well. Seems to work fine now.
I bought a Taurus TX22 and KelTec P17 the same day. The Taurus was 100% reliable with different kinds of ammo but my KelTec stopped every round. I cleaned them both the same way and I will clean the P17 throughout and lube it properly and if it jams again with hi velocity ammo, it will be sent back to Taurus.
Awesome transparency. I appreciate that you have always been humble and honest. I still love your content and I’m glad to see you’ve made it to over 0.5M subs!
we have a few of these P17s; some have issues now and then but its the only pistol, and maybe the only 22LR semi auto, that i've seen be able to cycle CCI quiets reliably.
I love my P17 as my EDC. Fully loaded under 1lb. First day it jammed horribly and I thought it was a waste of money. After a thorough cleaning and lubrication it shoots magnificently. It does not like dirty Remington bulk ammo. It does run Aguila bulk ammo.
I have a kel tec 9. It sucked until I had it repaired. And updated the springs. Runs great now. Shame it didn't come from the factory that way. I wonder who puts' them together?
I bought a p17 , had issues. Called Kel tec , sent it to them. Got it back an no issues for over a year soo far. I do shoot 40 grain which the owners manual calls for. A fun little piece
Thanks for the video. I always enjoy your content. I just ordered one of these last week and should have it tomorrow. All I was after was a cheap range plinker that I can have some fun with. I would never consider rimfire ammo for any type of defensive use. This is just to have fun with. I also ordered three different brands of high velocity just to see if it likes one over the other. Based on all the reviews I’ve seen, including yours looks like you definitely have to clean the gun first. Not sure what to expect because I’ve never owned a 22 before but I guess we’re gonna find out.
Love your videos, been a fan for some years, straight, no bs and guns that people use. We have some pretty full on gun restrictions here down under, and love seeing videos and reviews of guns we Aussies can use. I've told you before, and I'll tell you again; "Love ya work brother".
Read section V of the manual titled "Ammunition".... from that "V. AMMUNITION The P17 pistol has been designed and chambered to operate with standard .22 LR cartridges that are HIGH VELOCITY AMMUNITION ONLY. Use only US made, SAAMI spec, commercially manufactured, clean, dry, high-quality, and good condition ammunition. Never use non-standard, reloaded or damaged cartridges. Use only brass-cased ammunition. Any other ammunition is considered non- standard and use of it may cause functioning issues and void the warranty of the firearm."
I too must say that maybe I rushed to judgement on the Keltec P 17 . After a couple of hundred rounds the thing started working as it should. It was stripping the rounds from the clip and fully closing the action to fire. It started working fantastic!!! I know some guns need a break in period, I just think they should work right out of the box. My 2 Taurus Tx 22's have. However, I will say that it is a very realible gun now with most 22 ammo.
Never had a Kel Tec, but you can polish and lightly lube the chamber of a .22 pistol or revolver to help smooth feeding. It gets a fouling ring in it. The mechanisms ought to have no sound of grittiness, and thicker oils are better on some surfaces. Also, rimfire ammo is hard to chamber if it’s corroded. Roll it between two steel surfaces to crush down the dents and oxides. Test the fit, and apply a tiny bit of grease/wax. Oil is bad for the powder!
You were correct when you said that you added in too many new variables when testing it the second time. The only variable you didn't remove from the equation is your "shoosher". My guess is that the gun is just as big of a lemon as the first time you shot it, but adding the "shoosher" created enough back pressure to run the slide with a little more speed this time. The tell was when it couldn't run sub sonic ammo very well even though it was suppressed with higher back pressure. I enjoy watching your videos! Keep the great content coming!
I don't like Kel tech, I own a cz p07 9mm very reliable but if I put subsonics in without putting a lighter recoil spring it won't cycle. 45 and 380s are usually good with a hush can because there already subsonic. If your caliber selection tend to leans towards "fast and light" (9mm 40cal) its common to have to make adjustments for a subsonic round vs a caliber thats "slow and heavy" (45 cal) it's usually good to go with no modification. I don't own a 22 but I'd like to get one for to mess around with and cheap target practice.
I took my P17 out to the range for the first time yesterday, I was impressed at its reliability , I did have a few failures to feed where it wasnt picking up the round from the magazine , but being a new gun , I thought it ran pretty good
My samples of these wonderful pistols is opposite. And the funny part is my TX always jams on my friend and myself if I’m not methodical about loading the mags. The P17 has been flawless for both of us. I love them both and found the TX much more finicky. Amazing how different conclusions are come to based on the samples we have. I also use Remington ammo.
The main thing people need to remember concerning Kel-tec firearms is, there are great ones and crappy ones in every batch. I've been lucky so far with the ones I've purchased. The P17 ran great right out of the box with all the various brands and types of ammo I put through it. I haven't tried subsonic ammo in it yet but, I did buy some to try for next time I head to the range. I do however, clean and lube all my new guns before taking them to the range for the 1st time and I use Strike Hold cleaner/dry lube. The thing I like most about that particular brand is although it looks dry, parts treated with it are VERY slick and nothing sticks to them so after a range visit, a simple wipe down with a cleaning cloth is usually all that's needed to clean the gun. The PMR 30 DID have an issue when I first got it. It wouldn't chamber the 1st round out of the mag with 30 rounds loaded in it. After a bit of online research, I found a quick fix for it. The problem ended up being that the magazines wouldn't fit flush and tight. Adding a tiny bead of epoxy along the bottom of the mag catch lug on each magazine fixed the issue and it has run flawlessly since then.
Thank you for honet reviews! That is what I count on from youtubers. I purchased one just today to see what the hype was about. Cleaned it first, and tried several different types of ammo. None , I repeat none would go 50 rounds without a failure to feed. Like the recoil spring was not strong enough to strip shell from clip. Even when shooting cci Velocitors. Keltec is very good on coming out with guns that are ahead of them time. However, they never work all the bugs out before releasing to public. I have tried several of there products, and that has been my luck.
I have worked a FFL counter for 2 years. People get in their feelings if you criticize a firearm they like. We sell those new for $229.99. I had a customer bring it back a few weeks later due to the same problems you had. We usually give customers a refunds if they have it for a day or 2 and change their mind, not a few weeks and a range trip. I gave the customer KelTec's customer service to send it in to KelTec.
I had the same problem as you did (your first video on the Keltec P17). I usually have had no problems with pistols that I take out of the box and shoot. It doesn't say anything in the manual to clean the gun before your first range visit. It is an inexpensive pistol. I took mine back and bought a Sig P322. Lost $100 on the trade-in. I do have the Keltec Sub 2000 gen 3 and it is a great firearm.
Don't let haters get you down, I have a big pc hobbyist for 15 years and I can tell you it is unfortunate, but they belong and toxify every enthusiast space they get involved with. I enjoyed this video please keep it up and take care.
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Part of the reason people enjoy your content so much is
A. You’re honest
B. You review mostly affordable equipment
C. Your personality
Don’t change anything you do. I think I speak for most of us when I say that we enjoy the heck out of your videos.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you watching!
I will second that cheers people ✌️🤙
We all 20:54 have our own opinion, no need to get in a pissing contest , 22's are what they are , nasty but cheap an fun to shoot but I've had to work on some to get them to cycle , thanks foe all you do an GOD Bless you and your family
Indeed! Hear hear!!
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Hi! My dad was an FFL & we used to see that same loading/cycling problem with many "budget" firearms straight from the factory. 99% of the time it was because the shipping oil used by many manufacturers, while more protetive against MOISTURE for "storage" purposes, can get quite "Sticky" in a very short time, particularly with more heat & cold . For this exact reason, we always recommend customers clean & properly lube their new firearm BEFORE they shot it for the first time. Hope this knowledge helps down the road!
Came here to say the same. The oil the pack guns with isn’t lubricating oil. It’s rust preventative oil and isn’t the right weight.
Correct. I've never had a problem with any gun with the exception of the crappy SCCY. I clean all new firearms very well prior to shooting them.
Do guys actually not know this? I remember I got a brand new KAC m16 in the fleet and the amount of packing grease was unreal. Funny story, my buddy got a new one shortly after u did. We were doing a training op and our halon system went off. He hadn't had a chance to remove the grease and his entire rifle was coated with the white powdery shite. He wasn't willing to drop the handguards off so he had a white barrel and gas system 😂.
Yes! I didn't see the first video but from experience I had a gun Malfunction nonstop out of box. Cleaned it well and it shoots flawlessly. It was the shipping oil.
@@drewbienewbie03xx81 i was in a Bradley when the halon sys went off it sucked
People get so butt hurt over an inanimate object. If it's junk, it's junk. Keep it real brother!
Or maybe he's junk
I own a Keltec 32acp I've had for year's but every manufacturer has had bad products get through. Just because you have a good experience with something doesn't mean another will. With that said, most pro shooters and professionals who use gun's as a tool say 200 rounds should be run through a weapon before trusting or using for survival, (with the ammo you are going to carry). Ammo is expensive but cheap when it comes to your life or loved ones.
It's a KelTec, move on nothing to see here.
If if doesn't run it's junk. Back in the 90's I bought a Saturday night special Lorcin 380 and it run 100's and 100's of rounds and no failure. The next person bought them and they were unreliable. You never know sometimes.
@neilkratzer3182 I agree, if it doesn't eat everything I put into it, I don't want it unless it's a CZ 75 SP01 tactical thar doesn't like flat tip 147gr. The CZ eats everything except that.
it's just me, but I always clean a new gun before I shoot it. It gives me a chance to visibly inspect each part and remove all the coatings and gunk from the packaging or from sitting in a box at the back of a shelf for who knows how long before the gun was shipped. Seems that is good general advice for the future.
The Kel Tek manual suggests using 40 grain high velosity ammo which helps to rack the slide via blowback and to load a new round to the chamber. They even supply a list of preferred ammo that they have tested themselves.
If you can only shoot "preferred" ammo reliabily, it's a dust collector.
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Heck, I don’t have that much trouble with my 45 acp 1911. Funny that you apologize for taking so long. It’s just me though, I even watch Paul Harrell videos for fun and education. The whole reason I’m on here is to watch and learn, Thank ya boss
Appreciate you watching
Hey get rid of it. You can't depend on it WTW.
I just purchased the P17 and experienced the same issues. It seemed to get better after about 50 rounds. I just deducted that it must have a break in period. Everything seems to have settled down. Keep up the great work! You Rock!!!
Keep doing what you do. I have that gun in the exact same color. I have never had any problems with any of the different brands of ammo I have used even with my shusher, but I am also a former mechanic and work in construction which means I know that anything man-made is inherently un-perfect. Even the best and most expensive guns have issues and some of the most expensive "hand-fit" "custom" guns require break-ins and are picky with ammo. I own Sig, S&W, Springfield, Henry, numerous ARs and IWI among others. None of them are perfect. I'm not a fanboy for any. Keep 'em coming!
This man is Hank hill doing gun reviews. Waiting on the propane and propane accessories pitch to come at the end of the. Great video man I subscribed and watched the full video even the clipazine reloads . Looking forward to more videos .
Thanks for watching!
@@WHOTEEWHO unsuccessful video ..subsonic ..not closing slides
I can’t un-hear this now. Thanks dude.
Was thinking the same thing! Scrooled down see if it was alredy commented, haha.
Yep lol
Usually for semi pistols you want to run 40 grains
Adam...you nailed it. "If I gotta go out of my way to may something work, I don't want it!" BOOM!
But I’ll buy a 4-wheeler and do all kind of work to it and clean it, change the oil, repack bearings, replace filters..... when I go mudden. 🤦♂️
Don’t be lazy. Clean your firearms so they work and/or don’t blow up in your face. Nothing is ready to go out the box.
@@GryphonArmorerthat's complete BS.
@@mrpibb7781 you are obviously new to firearms with saying that. It's basic knowledge 101 to clean/scrub a new gun before using it.
@@mrpibb7781 Nope Gryphon is spot on in how people are. They will buy a 4-wheeler, a Harley , an ATV side by side and have to work on all of them, but heaven forbid they actually take time to know their weapon. In Military basic training they teach you how to operate it before you shoot it. How is this any different?
@@mrpibb7781 Agreed every block in Springfield. I’ve ever pulled out of the box and Ruger Smith & Wesson worked without having to do anything to make it go bang.kel tec is Sadly, not a top end product. I think I have more faith in High Point working out of the box.
I love my P17. Haven't had any issues with it. Sorry to hear you had so much trouble. Keltec definitely is an innovative company...but their quality control leaves a little something to be desired.
It's 100% the cleaning brother, I always clean my keltechs massively when I first get them because of that issue of slow slides
Exaxtly! The shipping oil used by many manufacturers, while more protetive against MOISTURE for "storage" purposes, can get quite "Sticky" in a very short time, particularly with more heat & cold . Needs cleaning and better lube to insure preformance.
Exactly. The lubricant the factory puts on is to prevent rust- but it can be sticky and cause function issues.
Keltec is just a Saturday night special
That's an old fudd term for a snubby revolver! @boborman5537
@@floridagunrat1625 Oh god and calling people fudds is a lame ass new school turd term.
My P17 had the same issue of jamming and misfiring. But my friend has one that fires every time.
Being that I live only two hours from the KelTec factory, I called and took the gun up there on my way to another destination. The staff was so friendly and helpful. Seems they had a batch of these with the wrong spring tension or something like that. I left it with them. They sent it back to me free via UPS a few days later, right to my house. Since then, I have fired over 1000 rounds of all sorts of .22LR through it. Low velocity, high velocity, standard, etc. Not ONE misfire or jam!
Bottom line is this. It's a great and reliable .22 once you get it repaired. It's an easy, fast and free repair, including free return shipping right to your house. Nothing like firing off 16 quick rounds from a gun that weighs about a pound.
I have a pmr30, had the same issues out of the box. Cleaning did not fix my issue unfortunately, but after some research, I replaced the plastic feed ramp with stainless, upgraded the recoil springs, and trigger kit, and it's the most fun and accurate little pistol I own. I ordered all of my parts from M Carbo and installed them myself. Not too bad to take either!
The Ruger LCP II 22 has a reputation for a spring issue. I spent a few bucks on corrected springs from Galloway and it fixed it right up to near perfection. 10% lower spring rate firing pin spring, higher spring rate extractor and hammer spring. Why not just do that at the factory guys... It seems ridiculous to not fix that administratively.
I have one also. It ran flawlessly out the box. Afterwards I got the M carbo spring and keep her oiled. Still no problems.
So you replaced all the parts that they changed to make it cheap. I don't know what that means
@@goodday126 I agree with your findings, did the same thing to mine. Also added stiffer recoil spring, hasn't failed since.
I love my 4 Kel-Tec's. Most innovative firearms manufacturer.
You handled this situation well sir. Good job. Fair follow up and clearly not hung up on ego.
If no one else mentioned it, Kel Tec has a factory warranty second to none. They will do whatever it takes to insure things are correct.
ya except make it right the 1st time.
@@kawrss31 Of course your comment makes sense if we have a choice. I only address the issue that is common to the trade. Many companies including those who make very expensive or fancy products do not provide a decent level of customer service much less an exemplary one. Ruger is fantastic at warranty but Sig or HK not so much. Of course a Sig or HK is a higher quality item but after paying top dollar it sucks to get stiffed on service. I am not implying a Kel Tec is in that level, only that they value their customers and do all they can to correct issues. If you had a bad one I can understand why you feel that way.
Agreed. Great warranty, but mine took about 6 months to get a pmr-30 back. It was pretty new at the time and flying off the shelf. May have something to do with it.
@@giavanti0003 That is a shame to hear. If I remember right there was a production issue on the barrels and they had to redesign it. They stopped production till it was worked out. I have serial number 35 still in the box unfired. But it was corrected. And yes, they sold them faster than they could make them so they took a big hit stopping production but that’s how George is. Very honest and customer oriented.
Incorrect. They won't repair the KSG that is sitting in the safe. The damn thing has chunks of the receiver missing because of poor craftsmanship. It started losing these chunks because racking the damn thing is such a task. Poor fit, poor craftsmanship, cheap materials. So it's in the safe it sits until I decide to get it melted down. Totally useless hunk of shit, that the company won't honor their warranty on.
I know nobody reads manuals. the manual says "use only high velocity ammo, if you don't it may cause feed problems.LOW POWER AMMO AND/OR LIGHT WEIGHT BULLETS MAY CAUSE FEEDING PROBLEMS DUE TO THE LACK OF ENERGY TO FULLY CYCLE THE SLIDE. This is also the case if the grip is not held firmly.
Hey man, love your videos. I just bought a P17 identical to that and love it, regardless of what others may have said about shooting CCI ammo, I noticed the CCI that you used said "Standard Velocity" on the box, the P17 owners manual specifically says to run High Velocity Ammo. I have not had any failures with any high velocity ammo, I have not shot any "standard velocity" through it as I figured it may not cycle properly.
KelTec is very good about servicing anything with issues. In my experience, cleaning, oil and break-in is normal.
Keljunk told me there was no sense in sending it back because there are no issues...JUNK and no one will change my mind,!!!
@samdunlap5365 What was the problem that you were having that they said was not an issue?
Best 22 I’ve ever bought. Never had an issue…not even a FTF and that was expected with rimfire…weird thing is i can run 500 rounds in a row on the thing without an issue, but as soon as I pull out the bolt gun I get a FTF atleast once every 50 rounds.
I've made it a habit to always field strip and lubricate a new gun before making my first trip to the range with it. Some of the new guns I've bought in recent times had problems with light strikes and cycling due to gummy preservative/lubricant that was applied at the factory. The stuff the manufacturers use might give it an indefinite shelf life, but didn't hold up well to live fire. A spritz of CLP with a wipe down, followed by RemOil for general lubrication, and with something a little thicker for the slide rails or in places where I wanted some to "stay put" has served me well. As far as using the slide release to close the slide, I had problems with Ruger MK II where a burr developed on an internal part, and the slide wouldn't lock open on the last shot. I delicately removed that said burr with a small file, and it's been fine since. I hope this helps.
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You have to store the P17 in a jar or large coffee can of oil. Mine soaks in oil until it’s time to shoot it. Make sure the rounds are soaked in oil for at least 48 hours also. Bring a bottle of oil to the range also and oil it in between each mag change.
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This is hilarious because I literally doused mine in lubricant because I was so frustrated that it wouldn’t cycle.
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You’re not going out of your way to make it work. I’ve been told manufacturers use a rust inhibitor instead of a lubricant because they don’t and can’t know how long a firearm could sit in a box on a shelf or in a distribution center.
Why I always clean, lube and then inspect any firearm I get be it new or used even. That way I know it’s been inspected, cleaned and lived. Then if there’s an issue/problem, I know it isn’t because it wasn’t cleaned and lubed.
Cleaning and lube fixed it. Especially if it wasn’t cleaned and lived to begin with. lol
And FWIW- I don have one and have no plans to get one so I have no skin in the game about this pistol.
Never had to do all that nonsense for all my guns that have worked perfectly fine out of the box. A little oilayne or wiping off grease, and a quality modern gun should be good to go. But these guns look like they are made of spare parts and Playtel toy plastic. The profit margin on these, being sold for the same as their competitors, must be giant (you can yell they are made from crazy by handling them and looking at them). But yeah most of the time they run well. But I got 2 in different trades and both were unreliable. But I've seen plenty work very well.
@testing2741: “Never had to do all that nonsense: ... 🤔
@@testing2741 Regular guns are built different. The recoil spring on this thing is SO insanely light because of the slide that even a little gunk can slow it down.
Never had a gun that wouldn’t run right out of the box. Then again never bought a keltec Taurus or high point
Oil. Oil is a proven rust inhibitor and lubricant. True story, bro.
It is a fact that rimfire is very dirty and 22 semi auto pistols are notoriously jammy. They require good ammo at a minimum.
I really like my Keltec P17s! One of 4 had the same problem of not fully closing when it was new and uncleaned before the first trip to the range. After cleaning and lubing it runs well, like the other 3. I like the P17 better than the Bersa Thunder 22, Taurus TX22, TX22C, Ruger LCP II 22 and Walther P22Q. I add the Hogue grip for the Glock 43X and a green micro laser to the P17. The LCP II and Bersa Thunder 22 will mount the Armalaser grip activated lasers which are nice.
I have one and love it. I have fired numerous brands of ammo, maybe 1,000 rounds, not 1 misfire. Fun, light, no recoil.
I would never fire sub sonic in a semi auto ... not enough kick to cycle ... CCI are a good hot round to cycle a semi auto ... I ran into same problem with Winchester white box in a 22LR semi auto rifle ... good cleaning AND CCI stingers and it ran like a dream ... love ur vids btw ... keep em coming
Subs are all I’ve ever run in my P17, Sig 322& walther P22. They all 3 run fine with subs with my suppressor
Way to say you don’t know what you’re talking about without saying “I don’t know what I’m talking about “!
@@ElGregorio-h7m Well, Ruger clearly states it's LCP II 22LR is for high-velocity ammo only...I wouldn't expect it to cycle subsonics. So given that it seems SOME guns weren't designed not to run low-velocity stuff. Will TRY some in it though AND in my Kel Tec P17 as well -- the next time I go out shooting.
Sadly, the MY Ruger LCP has issues with Federal Punch, so I carry CCI Mini Mags in in instead. Some people say their Rugers DO cycle Punch just fine (and everything else), some say theirs do not, so you won't know until you try Punch in yours.
-- BR
Agreed. Page 8 of the P17 Owners manual says "HIGH VELOCITY AMMO ONLY." (They put it in all caps)
@@byron-k7s Same for my Ruger LCP II 22LR...except it's only 80% reliable with my PREFERRED ammo -- Federal Punch. Although other people say it works 100% in THEIR Rugers, it doesn't in mine. Go figure...
-- BR
Well, you certainly gave it the fairest shake. Thanks for another great video!
My hypothesis is Keltec should have used a progressive recoil spring to handle a wider range of energy.
I had the same thought, I wonder if anyone will offer an aftermarket upgrade?
Been subbed for a long long time. I don't watch RUclips as much anymore but know you are one of the realest people and channels out there. Love you HTH and thanks for all the good videos. God bless brother
🙏🙏🙏 appreciate you bigtime
I bought a P17 about three weeks ago and have about 250 rounds through it do far. It has demonstrated this issue, the slide not quite fully going back into battery, a number of times.
No ftf, fte, or any other problems. Highly accurate and fun to shoot. A gentle nudge on the back of the slide with a thumb closes the slide.
Great range gun, but I wouldn't make it my EDC. I suspect after another 250 rounds through it, the problem may become rare or vanish.
I suspect the slide is just a tad heavy for 22lr, causing this problem, with sometimes not quite enough gas pressure to fully cycle the slide.
Maybe it just needed to be broken in. Looks like a good little rig. I had a buddy who also had a TON of issues with subsonic rounds in his Ruger, but I can't remember which brand they were. Maybe subsonic rounds are best left to bolt actions and lever-guns.
I've got 1968 Ruger never cleaned it and it still works flawless, I did have spring in the clip I replaced in 1987
Exactly 💯
What is a clip?
@@tom7073It holds your tie in place!
I have two, I love them, they both had to have polishing and smoothing because they rubbed everywhere, high spots, imperfections and a sharp edge on the feed bore. A few minutes with polish and a dremel and there magic, simple and accurate and you will love it too! You are a honest man, thanks.
I bought a S&W shield super 30 for 299.00, and you can carry it...
Hey lol if you're the kind of person that likes to spend money on poorly constructed products simply to have to repair/modify just to make them perform the way they should out of the box then thanks for being a reason aliens won't talk to us.
I've tried all the cheap guns and that's what they are. Hi point, Taurus, SCCY, I shoot, and carry a Beretta storm, and it shoots better than anything you have shot buddy. Out of the BOX....@@coronalight77
$550.00 if you know where to look. 10 mil. and will shoot through car windows, or a wall, will your plinker? my rifle is an AR American arms 9 mil. All the guns except these two, I put in a box and sold to the highest bidder (Not that high) tow nights ago.@@coronalight77
sorry Two
Perhaps it's a shy weapon platform?
lol
The Keltec p-17 only shoots subsonic ammunition during the second full moon of August between the hours of 7-9pm.
I’m not a fanboy on any brand, because I have listened to them many times and ended up buying a lemon of a gun that I had to work with just to make it work. Thanks for being transparent on everything, the reason why I watch a lot of your videos.
I carry a P-17 daily, hanging on the inside of the bib of my Carhart overalls in a kydex holster. I like it because it is very light weight. It has been dependable enough for me. I'm on a low budget, so I chose it. Thanks for the video!
Good to see that you listen to your viewers and gave the firearm another chance.
I have owned at least 2 firearms that were packed in Cosmoline/Grease.
Once I got them cleaned and oiled, they were fine.
I like Rem Golden Bullets and use them a lot.
Yes, I do get a few that have misfires but for bulk ammo, it's fine.
I use Federal Punch when I want to carry my .22.
It shoots very well in all of my .22 firearms.
Every firearm has shipping grease out of the box. It’s not as bad as it used to be, but it’s there and needs to be removed before the first round. That’s why the owners manual for literally every firearm tells,not to, but how to clean it before firing it. It’s not to prop up a solvent & oil racket. It’s for proper function and your safety.
L in in@@GryphonArmorer
I am one who thoroughly enjoys my Keltec P17, but it hates Aguilla ammo. Gums it up and it sticks every round. But it has eaten everything else I’ve put through it. Great vid.
Aguila mexican ammo is shit. CCI "stingers" is the best!!!
My P-17, I mostly use Aguila super extra because it is cheap like 6¢ per round and I have zero problems. I found out when you lube the gun, do not lube around back of the barrel area and firing pin area. Those two area need to be completely dry. I have bought 20,000 round of Aguila super extra and I go to range two times a month. About 500-600 rounds on each visit to range. P-17 along with M&P 15-22. Zero problems with that ammo.
Good for you young man! I appreciate you taking another look at the P17. I enjoy your videos and believe what you do is straight forward.
I had a problem with my P17 out of the box--Safety was so difficult to use, I couldn't put it on "safe". Sent it back, Keltec fixed it, runs great now. I really like it. I do take the point though, that if you have to work on it when it is brand new, that's not very good.
He said you can only shoot it when it is 70° degrees outside 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are supposed to clean new firearms before you shoot them,cutting oils etc,will cause issues in some firearms,just a good practice to do to keep your firearms functional,Thanks for what you do!
Most people know that but hardly anyone does it. Part of doing a good review is making it subject to conditions the avg person would have it in.
I’m not keeping any firearm that only shoots certain ammo 🤷🏾♂️. Imagine that’s the only ammo left in a dire situation. Good review
Problem is with 22lr semi-autos, they prefer high velocity ammo to run reliably.
And so far the 2 best 22lr semi auto handguns is the taurus tx22 and then keltec p17. Even glock 44 runs like poo.
@@brianv3ntura Yessir. I have the TX and the sig P22..I love them but 22lr’s are finicky. 👍🏾
@@cfurges-WarVet4eva Very important point here. .22LR is finicky. Always has been. I almost feel like it's pointless to go for a .22 budget gun unless you know it's very decent and you only plan to target shoot. I got my first Ruger .22 MarkIV not long ago. I have not had time with it to get a lot of rounds though, but seems solid as heck. Mags are super easy to load too, plus.
Welcome to the world of a .22lr lol
Why would anyone get pissy with you ? Either the piece works or it don’t , and if it’s a 16 round gun, why would you not load the mags .
Doesn't matter which gun manufacturer you buy. You are supposed to clean the gun after unboxing. Not a complete cleaning just a takedown and swabbed out good n lightly oil the gun while making sure you dont over oil the gun..Common since and at the end of the day it is very possible you could get a lemmon. Same as buying a new truck or car.
I have one and zero issues over 1k rounds. Ive bought a Kimber micro9 nightfall, Beretta PX4 storm and Springfield Armory 1911 and had to send those 3 back to be reworked and all three failed from the time I bought them. Any manufacturer can have problems with their products. It is unrealistic to bash any company on a problem pistol. Send it back to have it reworked instead of complaining. I've actually had zero problems with the cheap ones I've bought.
Mine was terrible. It had an out of spec chamber and was blowing up in my face with case head failures. I sent it back for warranty repair, they replaced almost everything and sent it back and it’s run fine ever since. I’m pretty happy with their customer service but you’d better keep your receipt!
Let's compare to another sub $200 rimfire that holds 17 rounds, comes with 3 magazines and has a lifetime warranty, oh wait, there aren't any.
If a warrant is a selling point you aren’t buying quality.
If I have to baby a gun just to get it to work, clean after every shot I will not use it to protect me and mine. Just the right ammo, hold it just a certain way, or whatever list of other excuses is not something you can depend on.
I love my P17! It eats EVERYTHING and is 100% reliable. Great video!
My tx22 had a sticky slide when I first got it. It wouldn't go into battery, you could see the gunk and grease in it. So before I loaded it up I field stripped and cleaned and lubed it. Never a problem after. So I make a habit of cleaning every firearm I get before using it. It helps me to get acquainted with the gun and I know that there isn't any crud in the works.
My wife's was jamming and FTF too. I finally took it apart and found two things. Both were in the slide fireing pin area. 1 THE Brass roll pin that also acts as the spring stop for the fireing pin spring was set down to far allowing the spring to roll over the roll pin, fixed by movingroll pin up to max hight. 2 The fireing pin it's self has quite sharp edges, fix by buffing entire fireing pin. Now she may git a FTF after 200 rounds + I feel that this is good for the gun. I did polish the feed ramp too. I do clean after every range day.
I have a new Ruger LCP II 22 and this last weekend I did a test, 225 Rem Golden Bullet vs 225 of CCI Mini-Mag. The results were Remington: 3 feed fail (1 ramp and 2 strip), 1 misfire (4 restrike attempts - bad round), 1 extract fail, 1 stovepipe, 4 low powder charges that were obvious and wouldn't cycle the slide. Then without any cleaning or lube I ran the CCI: 0 errors. Besides the obvious quality control results, I also noticed that the CCI case polish is very glossy, and I think that helps a lot in these little guns. The Remington case has that ring of dimples around the middle, and I have to wonder if that isn't helping. No matter how you slice it, ammo selection is the top factor in 22 auto pistol reliability.
Agreed. If it takes a lot of maintenance it's not for me
I bought an LCP mags that wouldn't feed. I sent it to Ruger they fixed it and I have not had one misfire since.
I bought one of these a few days ago took it out twice now and it's not misfired once. If it really well,
So sometimes I think you get a dud with guns. Even though you shouldn't LOL. Gun manufacturers you should make sure their gun works right the first time but, let's see how this video goes LOL.
I honestly subscribed because of this video I really enjoy honest reviewers of guns. Thanks for the video.
I didn't see the first video and I am sorry I agree with you. If I have to use specific ammo and clean it every time I use it I don't want it. Also I'm not going to waste my money on a 22 pistol no matter who makes it or how great it is. I'm sorry I don't buy a pistol for killing roaches and rats. Yes, I understand that the cost of ammo is going up but I prefer to practice with what I carry that way I am proficient with it not something that I don't carry. Thank you for your videos
You didn't read the manual it calls for high velocity amo only read the book!
If a gun doesnt shoot out of the box after a quick wipe and CLP, it's junk.
Who Tee Who, you were one of the 1st RUclipsrs I started watching & subbed to a few years ago. Always enjoy watching your reviews and ammo ballistic tests.
🙏🙏🙏 appreciate you watching
Page 8 and 9 of the P17 manual says; use "high velocity ammo only", SAAMI spec, page 8. "Low power ammo and/or light weight bullets may cause feeding problems due to lack of energy to fully cycle the Slide", page 9.
I don't read manuals
I have 2 P-17s, both pre-owned, and they work great. Accurate, reliable, fun!
I had the same problem in my marylyn 795 not enough power to cycle the slide, fine with regular longrifle just don't like the sub's.
Hank Hill in the flesh! Good show!
Dangit bobby
Love the *P17*
My p17 was doing the same thing where the slide would not come forward all the way, except mine would do it after EVERY round. The issue seemed to be that I was using copper plated bullets. When I switched to lead bullets, it worked 95% of the time. It still has a failure to feed once every couple magazines. It's a fun target shooting gun, but that's all I'd use it for. I'd never rely on it for any self defense scenario
No worries about complainers. I can say I was bought a new Henry from my wife. It fired one shot and locked up. Looking at it as much as possible without tearing into it showed nothing. I shipped it back to Henry and they had shavings found in it and cleaned it and sent it back with in a week. Has worked flawlessly since. I don’t do break ins. Ridiculous imo. A gun should work fine when coming out of factory. But mistakes happen.
I have this one as well as the TX-22, and hands down this one wins. It feels great in the hand, and I've never had a single issue. I did clean it before firing it, load all mags to capacity with zero issues, various ammo-zero issues. I will say that I heard of magazine issues early on, and am thinking that, or the subsonic bullets possibly not being straight and causing them not to seat properly. I say that because it did that before you even shot it. I've run into that alot, especially with cheaper ammo...my 10/22 even jams up on those. I can understand your skepticism due to first experience...but give it a chance and it'll become a favorite. I carry it frequently because it's so small & light...the pistol w/3 full mags weigh less than anything with 1 mag. It's accuracy is also excellent. And the take down for maintenance is a breeze. For the price, in my opinion, nothing comes close...the only gripe I have is finding a good iwb holster!!! Love your videos, and if you still wind up not loving it I'll be happy to take it off your hands😊.
Just watched this video, I have a KelTec PMR33 that did the same. Told a man about the issues at a gun store/shooting range, he suggested to load the magazines half full, shoot several mags like that, apparently the spring in the mags has to be broken in. Tried and had no issues after several half loaded mags run through it. I was going to get rid of mine as well. Seems to work fine now.
I bought a Taurus TX22 and KelTec P17 the same day. The Taurus was 100% reliable with different kinds of ammo but my KelTec stopped every round. I cleaned them both the same way and I will clean the P17 throughout and lube it properly and if it jams again with hi velocity ammo, it will be sent back to Taurus.
Awesome transparency. I appreciate that you have always been humble and honest. I still love your content and I’m glad to see you’ve made it to over 0.5M subs!
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1 fail is too many. Thats life And death.
You don’t have to appease just keep doing what you doing. It’s enjoyable.
we have a few of these P17s; some have issues now and then but its the only pistol, and maybe the only 22LR semi auto, that i've seen be able to cycle CCI quiets reliably.
I love my P17 as my EDC. Fully loaded under 1lb. First day it jammed horribly and I thought it was a waste of money. After a thorough cleaning and lubrication it shoots magnificently. It does not like dirty Remington bulk ammo. It does run Aguila bulk ammo.
I have a kel tec 9. It sucked until I had it repaired. And updated the springs. Runs great now. Shame it didn't come from the factory that way. I wonder who puts' them together?
I bought a p17 , had issues. Called Kel tec , sent it to them. Got it back an no issues for over a year soo far. I do shoot 40 grain which the owners manual calls for. A fun little piece
If it's crap it's crap....thank you for your videos.
😂😂 I came here to tell you to use CCI in it and then you held it up in the video. I died laughing.
Thanks for the video. I always enjoy your content. I just ordered one of these last week and should have it tomorrow. All I was after was a cheap range plinker that I can have some fun with. I would never consider rimfire ammo for any type of defensive use. This is just to have fun with. I also ordered three different brands of high velocity just to see if it likes one over the other. Based on all the reviews I’ve seen, including yours looks like you definitely have to clean the gun first. Not sure what to expect because I’ve never owned a 22 before but I guess we’re gonna find out.
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Subs are a hard nut to crack. They do work in a lot of guns. Not enough gas.
Love your videos, been a fan for some years, straight, no bs and guns that people use. We have some pretty full on gun restrictions here down under, and love seeing videos and reviews of guns we Aussies can use.
I've told you before, and I'll tell you again;
"Love ya work brother".
Read section V of the manual titled "Ammunition".... from that "V. AMMUNITION
The P17 pistol has been designed and chambered to operate with standard .22 LR
cartridges that are HIGH VELOCITY AMMUNITION ONLY. Use only US made,
SAAMI spec, commercially manufactured, clean, dry, high-quality, and good
condition ammunition. Never use non-standard, reloaded or damaged cartridges.
Use only brass-cased ammunition. Any other ammunition is considered non-
standard and use of it may cause functioning issues and void the warranty of the
firearm."
I too must say that maybe I rushed to judgement on the Keltec P 17 . After a couple of hundred rounds the thing started working as it should. It was stripping the rounds from the clip and fully closing the action to fire. It started working fantastic!!! I know some guns need a break in period, I just think they should work right out of the box. My 2 Taurus Tx 22's have. However, I will say that it is a very realible gun now with most 22 ammo.
You are so right. A new pistol should work out of the box period! But, as a rule, I always punch the bore and do a quick inspection of any new gun.
Shoosher, and clipozene! 🤣Love it. Dude you’re a trip.
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Never had a Kel Tec, but you can polish and lightly lube the chamber of a .22 pistol or revolver to help smooth feeding. It gets a fouling ring in it. The mechanisms ought to have no sound of grittiness, and thicker oils are better on some surfaces.
Also, rimfire ammo is hard to chamber if it’s corroded. Roll it between two steel surfaces to crush down the dents and oxides. Test the fit, and apply a tiny bit of grease/wax. Oil is bad for the powder!
You were correct when you said that you added in too many new variables when testing it the second time. The only variable you didn't remove from the equation is your "shoosher". My guess is that the gun is just as big of a lemon as the first time you shot it, but adding the "shoosher" created enough back pressure to run the slide with a little more speed this time. The tell was when it couldn't run sub sonic ammo very well even though it was suppressed with higher back pressure. I enjoy watching your videos! Keep the great content coming!
I don't like Kel tech, I own a cz p07 9mm very reliable but if I put subsonics in without putting a lighter recoil spring it won't cycle. 45 and 380s are usually good with a hush can because there already subsonic. If your caliber selection tend to leans towards "fast and light" (9mm 40cal) its common to have to make adjustments for a subsonic round vs a caliber thats "slow and heavy" (45 cal) it's usually good to go with no modification. I don't own a 22 but I'd like to get one for to mess around with and cheap target practice.
I took my P17 out to the range for the first time yesterday, I was impressed at its reliability , I did have a few failures to feed where it wasnt picking up the round from the magazine , but being a new gun , I thought it ran pretty good
My samples of these wonderful pistols is opposite. And the funny part is my TX always jams on my friend and myself if I’m not methodical about loading the mags. The P17 has been flawless for both of us. I love them both and found the TX much more finicky.
Amazing how different conclusions are come to based on the samples we have. I also use Remington ammo.
The main thing people need to remember concerning Kel-tec firearms is, there are great ones and crappy ones in every batch. I've been lucky so far with the ones I've purchased. The P17 ran great right out of the box with all the various brands and types of ammo I put through it. I haven't tried subsonic ammo in it yet but, I did buy some to try for next time I head to the range.
I do however, clean and lube all my new guns before taking them to the range for the 1st time and I use Strike Hold cleaner/dry lube. The thing I like most about that particular brand is although it looks dry, parts treated with it are VERY slick and nothing sticks to them so after a range visit, a simple wipe down with a cleaning cloth is usually all that's needed to clean the gun.
The PMR 30 DID have an issue when I first got it. It wouldn't chamber the 1st round out of the mag with 30 rounds loaded in it. After a bit of online research, I found a quick fix for it. The problem ended up being that the magazines wouldn't fit flush and tight. Adding a tiny bead of epoxy along the bottom of the mag catch lug on each magazine fixed the issue and it has run flawlessly since then.
You are a true Patriot sir, I have several 22s that will only like high velocity rounds, I enjoy and respect your knowledge
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Thank you for honet reviews! That is what I count on from youtubers. I purchased one just today to see what the hype was about. Cleaned it first, and tried several different types of ammo. None , I repeat none would go 50 rounds without a failure to feed. Like the recoil spring was not strong enough to strip shell from clip. Even when shooting cci Velocitors. Keltec is very good on coming out with guns that are ahead of them time. However, they never work all the bugs out before releasing to public. I have tried several of there products, and that has been my luck.
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I have worked a FFL counter for 2 years. People get in their feelings if you criticize a firearm they like. We sell those new for $229.99. I had a customer bring it back a few weeks later due to the same problems you had. We usually give customers a refunds if they have it for a day or 2 and change their mind, not a few weeks and a range trip. I gave the customer KelTec's customer service to send it in to KelTec.
I had the same problem as you did (your first video on the Keltec P17). I usually have had no problems with pistols that I take out of the box and shoot. It doesn't say anything in the manual to clean the gun before your first range visit. It is an inexpensive pistol. I took mine back and bought a Sig P322. Lost $100 on the trade-in. I do have the Keltec Sub 2000 gen 3 and it is a great firearm.
Good report, thanks. Chewing on one of these myself.
Don't let haters get you down, I have a big pc hobbyist for 15 years and I can tell you it is unfortunate, but they belong and toxify every enthusiast space they get involved with. I enjoyed this video please keep it up and take care.