Ultralight Backpacking Stove Comparison: MSR vs. Alcohol vs. Esbit vs. Stove in a can
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Review, comparison, and boiling time for 4 Ultralight Backpacking Stove options: MSR PocketRocket, DIY Can Alcohol Stove, Esbit Stove, and Stove in a Can. Enjoy! Comment with you favorite stove for backpacking.
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For really cheap fuel: I take the leavings of my paper shredder, soak them in paraffin and press into a mold. Seems to burn cleaner than the stove-in-a-can. Burn in a little folding wood burner.
No disrespect towards your opinion at all on the Esbit. I totally get it. I just wanted to mention though, that you can find on amazon tablets in a box of 24 for $3 that are lighter than the standerd Esbit ones. So it can be made really affordable if you like that specific stove. Thanks for this informative video
Nowadays, always carry an Esbit as a backup. Went on a trek with friends and during a part where we hitchhiked, we managed to loose our gas bottle and stove. No need to say that we were pretty depressed after that. The Esbit would have been a very nice backup at the time. It's compact and reasonably lightweight so you can stuff it somewhere deep in your backpack and use it only if you really need it.
Nice video!
Used Esbit alot of times in my military service. The ease of use, compactness and how silent it is, is extremely useful in freezing situations when you just need a cup of hot water to make your food. Made a huge difference sitting on post all day in -25 Celsius. All you need is the esbit pack, a cup and a match and your life maybe saved. I'll try to make the homemade can stove.
Sondretheman71 Thanks for watching. The Esbit certainly is compact and easy to use. Each stove has its strengths and weaknesses. Good luck on the stove build!
I have had my esbit for 46 years and it never let me down
Exact same here, Love the high energy dence of hexamine tablets
esbit is better than alcohol stoves in this field because this test was done in a garage with limited air flow. Alcohol stoves can get blown out in even a slight breeze without a wind screen protecting it whereas the esbit has better protection from the wind by it's very design. But hey just my opinion.
Great video. I like the Esbit cause I can use it as a "twig" stove if I run out of Fuel Bars, but the favorite go to is the MSR.
Yeah, like you said throw the esbit in your car, I think that's where it has the advantage, just because the fuel isn't easy to ignite, so safer than compressed gas or alcohol. Not the nicest to use but happy to have in an emergency.
agreed. Thanks for watching
The thing that speaks for the solid fuel stove is the durability when not used, and how it isn't sensitive to tipping or spilling. As noted, it is the ideal BOB or emergencystove for your vehicle.
Nice Video. :-)
When I do my pseudo-ultralight trekking, I take both an old Svea 123 white gas stove (purchased used in the mid 1980s) as my primary stove and an alcohol small aluminum can "rift stove" as my backup. The SVEA stove may be old technology, but it is adjustable from blow-torch to simmer and has never let me down. I would guess that on med-high, it would complete your one cup test in about 2:15-2:30. (I usually boil over 1 liter if I need hot water, which usually takes about 4 minutes at 9,000'-11,000'.) Svea negatives; you have to prime it and its loud when you turn the throttle up more than medium.
If weight is not an issue, like overnights and weekend treks from a basecamp, I love my bio-matter Kelly Kettle Trekker for boiling water and the Hobo Stove adapter for cooking on. It is basically a small rocket stove. It's negative is that it's 2 lbs, not adjustable and you get soot on your cookware, but nowhere near the residue that hexamine/Esbit tablets leave on your pots and pans. If you soap the bottom of your cookware and inside the Kelly Kettle before cooking, (Palmolive works great) and if you use dry sap-less twigs in your Kelly Kettle, cleanup is quick and easy.
I personally like the smell of cooking over dry twigs, and most people want a Kelly Kettle after seeing one used properly in the backcountry. The Trekker boils .8 liter in about 2.30 minutes at altitude. Another big positive with the Kelly Kettle is you don't need to carry fuel; decent fuel for the very efficient Kelly Kettle rocket stove is literately all around you. It's perfect from desert to forest if the extra pound is not an issue. (I like my Pocket Rocket too, but have I have experienced an Isobutane-propane can failure in the wilderness. Luckily we had a backup Trangia.)
BTW: Carrying a clean used tuna can (with stored goodies) works well for snuffing out the flame of an alcohol stove. You turn the cooled stove upside down in the tuna can to reclaim unused fuel, and use the tuna can to pour the fuel back into your storage bottle.
👍👍👍 .. some good tips, thanks.
The Svea 123 .. a good stove. I have it's cousin, the Optimus 8R Hunter (same Burner Mechanism) .. also bought new in the latter 70's and still in use.
I think a folding box stove where you could use twigs, alcohol, or tablets would be the most flexible. Thanks for sharing.
I have both the alcohol and MSR and love them both. I use the alcohol when on long hikes and the MSR at base camp.
Thanks for these reviews! I bought the Pocket Rocket stove based on all the positive reviews I read. And this was good to actually see it in action, and actually hear your comments.
Thanks!
+Leda Tangen Thanks! Its a great stove
Haha, I actually have and use all of those stoves and a few others :) For short backpacking trips in good/warm weather, I opt for the alcohol stove for the weight savings. For rainy/windy/fall/winter backpacking, multi-day trips, or flop camping (vehicle near the site) the MSR rocket is first in line. Excellent performance in crap weather with minimal size and weight. The Esbit stove is mainly used in our emergency kits and they only come out a few times a year. Smelly as all get out, but they light every time and burn hot (I use trioxane tabs). They're also good for starting tinder for a camp/survival fire. On a side note, the Esbit stove can also be used as a stand with a twiggy fire below it if you run out of fuel tabs (been there, done that). We ditched the stove-in-a-can since the other options afforded more flexibility. Excellent video!
I agree with all your points...each one has its benefits and limits. Thanks for watching!
Put the alcohol in a squeeze bottle with a flip-top to prevent spilling.
Recon3Y3z I was thinking the same thing.
Thank you for this thorough overview of the different stove options out there. Being kinda new to stoves other than canisters - it helped me out.
You dont need Matches for the alcohol Stove. You can dip a stick into the stove and light the stick.
Yup. Also a ferro rod can light it without being close to it. Or you can spill a little on the canister for ease of lighting. That'll help the canister prime as well to vaporize the liquid.
Or just bring a couple of birthday candles. For just in case situations
simple spark from a ferrod rod will light alcohol in any conditions. a 1oz stick will last you years probably.
I have a esbit stove I was in Walmart a few years ago and picked up the Weber charcoal fire starters they are the exact same thing Esbit fuel tabs I think they were like two dollars for 12 of them and they don’t put off a smell It’s definitely not my main camp stove but it will work in a pinch
Awesome video. I've been searching for info on stove comparisons and you did a great job of illustrating the pros and cons of each system. Nicely done!
+holamateo thanks!
Hey Rev - I love all your videos and have subbed. I really appreciate how you are thorough and give your personal experiences / opinions but you also give other considerations as well. I'm just getting into backpacking and so many of your suggestions are helpful and easy to implement. Thanks!!!
A.L. Yoder Thanks for the feedback...that was the whole reason I started the channel...to help people get into backpacking. I have bought so much and made so many mistakes, I figured I could save people some hassle and cash! Thanks for watching!
This is fantastic, just what I was looking for. Thanks a mill for sharing your wee experiment!
I enjoyed your review. Thank you for doing this! I decided to do the Esbit, due to flying to Kauai (airlines don't like combustible liquids on their planes). We are planning to go straight to the trail head from the airport. However, I really like the MSR.
Naks thanks... have fun on the hike!
Thanks for making a great video! I'm planning a thru-hike on the AT and wanted to find out about different stoves to cook on.
have fun man! Always wished I had time to do the AT
For a pot stand rather than tent pegs that roll around i use the wire guard off an old computer power supply fan. Makes a lot of stove/cup combos possible.
There was an alcohol stove I made that used a wick and could be easily ignited with a lighter. It weighed a little more than the type you reviewed here but was worth the additional ounce. I used two aluminum cans (both were potted meat cans), removed the tops and cut the bottom out of the smaller diameter can. Then wrapped the smaller diameter can with fiberglass cloth and crammed that assembly inside the larger can. The fiberglass acted as the wick and allowed me to use a lighter to ignite the stove. As an aside, the smaller diameter can was approximately 20 mm taller than the larger can and also acted as a good pot stand.
I like going light. Bring Esbit and its foldable stainless steel stove. If I can get wood easily and wood fires are not forbidden, I build a wood fire and use Esbit like a firestarter (works really good in wet days), if I can't build a wood fire, I use Esbit to boil my two cups of water. When I'm backpacking I always bring food that can be boiled/rehydrated in hot water and two cups of boiling water are always enough to me. With Esbit and it's stove it takes 6 minutes to boil (the Esbit tab last for 16 minutes on average). I really don't care about the soot, I bring my pot in a small sack inside my backpack. I really never ever wash the outside of my pot, also when I'm home. I don't see the point in having it clean. I clean the inside.
I use a "penny can stove" and have always had god luck with it. I also have a coffee can that I've cut a square opening in the side of it and an old triangle tipped can opener to open vents around the top and bottom of the sides of the can. I guess you could call it a rocket stove, although mine doesn't have the inside smaller can like I see some people make theirs with. I just jamm it full of twigs, light it through the square, and I can put sticks into it either from the top or through the square opening. Both have served me well in my outings.
Loved the videos! God Bless Brother and keep'em coming!!!
Stumble on your channel 6 years later but ya i agree big time MSR and alcohol stove are the best infact it be great to bring both on a adventure i think
With alcohol burners (usually bought ones) you can usually have simmer rings and caps that snuff out the flame and store the alcohol in the burner for later use.
Can have simmer rings, snuff caps with soda can made stoves too, depends on their design.
E.g. The popular Fancy Feast wick stove need a extra can to be the simmer ring.
I love my MSR rocket stove and I also have several denatured alcohol stoves. I love them! They are the best.
Excellent job! Really changed my mind on esbit fuel. Thank you.
Love this video. I've used the MSR Pocket Rocket but I'm totally sold on making my own alcohol stove.
thanks! I love them both at different times
I'm interested in beginning ultralight backpacking. A stove is one of the last items I need. This surely sold me on making an alcohol stove. The lighter weight for only an extra two minutes seems like a no brainer. Alcohol is super light too. This was an awesome video. It convinced me to subscribe, like, and also follow you on Instagram and Twitter. I look forward to watching many more of your videos.
Thanks David! Glad this helped! Thank you for the support
Good review, dude. Answered alot of questions I had about which stove would best fit my needs.
great!
my favorite is the svea 123. Of course heavy cause you need furl bottle. Would last a weekend on one fill, though. Get a vintage one made in sweden. Will work in any weather. Nice vid. I'm a sucker for stoves. Used to backpack but too old now. God Bless you and your Church.
The Esbit stove was originally made for the German Army in the 1930s. I used a version called a Hexy Stove (Hexamine is the fuel) in the Australian Army in the 70s and 80s. The residue does suck. The smell on the other hand has more positive association for me as it meant a hot brew or food. To light you need to scrape a bit of the surface wax off and hold it with flame applied to the edge. I break the tab in half and it is easier to light one half then put the other next to it. I still carry one out of nostalgia and as a backup but the gas is quicker and the alcohol is cheaper and lighter. I mostly use a Goshawk gasifier stove with titanium alcohol stove which I can also burn twigs in. Enjoyed your video.
First used my Esbit back in the late 50s' in the Cub Scouts it still works. Durability is proven. We will have to wait and see if all the others last as long. Also it can be used to burn wood if you run out of fuel. Try that with the others.
Nice comparison, Rev! I completely agree with you on the MSR--it always ends up being my go-to stove because it's so light, reliable, and convenient. I also have the Esbit and took it out once (and only once) into the backcountry. It took WAY too long to boil water with it. But, I will say those fuel cubes do make good fire starters.
Great vid! Keep them coming!
Thanks! I recommend the MSR Pocket Rocket to anyone and everyone...awesome stove. Never had any issues, except in exceptionally cold weather.
Nice review!! Planning some trips for this fall. First purchased the Esbit style (Coghlan Emergency stove) figured out after a couple of test that it was not the best choice and have since bought a pocket rocket. Haven't tried my hand at the alcohol stove but I think i will give it a shot !!
+B-Rad if nothing else, the alcohol stoves are fun to build!
Good review. I like the pocket rocket and only have esbit for get home bag.
The Esbit stove was a WW2 issue stove to German troops. Mine is a East German army surplus from 1954. What I like about mine is the fuel tabs and some matches fit inside folded up. I glued a match striker to a outside leg to make it easier to light matches. As for your cup, the black stuff wiped off the bottom of my cup no problem.
I would have tried using the lid for the "stove in a can" as a top for the ring. Then set the Sierra cup on top of that. Nice video. I use a micro stove similar to the MSR with push button igniter.
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This was a great review brother! I appreciate the testing!
+El Rabbit's Tactical, Survival Thanks!
I have a coghlans folding - similar to Esbit (with better vent holes at bottom??). Anyway, advantage of carrying one of these is that you DON'T need fuel tabs. Makes a great small wood burning cooker, leaves/twigs, etc. No dependency on bringing fuel, other than a lighting source...
Thanks for doing this, I'm just starting out, trying regain fitness that I lost to I'll health. I've been trying to work out which stove is best for me for day hikes. Think the alcohol stove wins. Cheap, light and there should I need a coffee or have to stay the night. The MSR looks good for the future though.
I really liked this video! Thank you for your opinion on these stoves. Have you ever used the BSR 3000?
All in all you just got a new subscriber.
Thanks again.
The only backpacking stove I have is the MSR Pocket Rocket stove you have in this video. I bought it about twelve years ago at REI when I lived in southwest Denver and my son was around two years old. The first time I used it was when I took my son car camping at a public campground located at Kenosha Pass at a 10,000 feet elevation as you head toward Fairplay in Park County. It took my stove around 3.5 minutes to boil water but that's still fast enough for me. It is light and small enough but would be nice if there was a wind guard available. I will keep it but also buy the MSR XGK multifuel stove. I used this same stove on a cycling/trail running trip to Moab, Utah. On both trips this stove was used during summer and early fall weather conditions so no snow to deal with.
Finally can make a decision after seeing all four tested together. Thanks for the vid, so informative :)
Glad it helped!
Out of curiosity, what was your decision Shaza?
i agree 100 % i ordered a pocket rocket actually its way smaller for 14 bucks cant remember the name of it thow,and im gonna make me a alcohol stove as well im going stealth camping soon.. great job with the vid
awesome review. great presentation and comparison. Saves hunting around youtube for separate videos.
Well done.. Great video.. Myself I have used MSR stoves for over 30 years now and of the different models I own I have never had one fail.. I went away from MRS 18 years ago for my first canister stove i choose Snow Peak, soon my second Snow Peak stove came my way with a larger burner , built in windscreen for cold weather use.. I like both very well, excellent quality and performance.. The lightest model is made from Ti and falls in @2.4 oz.. Ti pots and cup, mini solo cook set came next, excellent gear.. Alcohol stoves I have never used one or made one, but am thinking about that idea.. Seems kinda cleaver , fuel is everywhere.. From what I have seen so far, there is really no flame adjustments unless you slide a small flat plate over the burner head.. One would have to play with one like you are doing.. You did give me ideas..
Very nice video. Thank you. After using every stove known to man, I still think the old school liquid fuel stoves are all-round most efficient: SVEA, Optimus, even Coleman single burner. Keep these cool vids coming!
Explorer Mike thanks!
Thanks for your videos I find them very helpful and informative.
You can make the esbit boil faster by breaking the block into four pieces - they also light easier like that. The stove in a can would be better as an emergency fire lighting kit as you could fit matches in there and a few other bits - as a stove it sucks!
Thank you 👍. Agree about Esbit. They smell like fish. And stink up any clothing you have in your pack. I tried putting in plastic ziplock bag; smell still permeated into pack so I scrapped the Esbit fuel tabs, BUT ... I use the Esbit metal pot holder with Trangia alcohol stove which nests in the Esbit pot holder. Or I use trioxane military fuel tabs which work in the Esbit pot holder. And you can store 3 of the trioxane tabs in the Esbit pot holder folded down in my pack ... just a thought. (Too ... trioxane fuel tabs aren’t that expensive.)
I made an alcohol stove to fit in an esbit stove, back up to my pocket rocket stove
Nice review. I'll just add that if you are concerned about the soot on the bottom of the cup when using the Esbit, then, use a little dishsoap and rub it on the bottom and lower sides of the cup. It's messy, but no more messy then the cleanup without the soap. The result is that the cup will wash clean with a little water and a paper towel.
Nice video bro. I've used butane stoves for years. After damaging my spine disk I had reduce my packet weight as much as possible. So I turned to alcohol stove which is pretty much lighter option. Recently I've seen some smaller size of butane canister on the market. So I turned back to butane stoves again.
+Sepehr Jafari Sorry to hear about your back...I went ultralight for the same reason. Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching!
Ok, me being German, I might have an irrational soft spot for Esbit.^^ I like them for their simplicity. They are the kind of stove that ride in your car from glovebox to glovebox until the day you need them, like 20 years later. ^^ They are super inoffensive look and noise wise and easy to use, even for the untrained non- outdoorsy people. They also make smaller ones, the lightest being at 11g or ~1/3oz.
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I use an alcohol stove with denatured alcohol. I like to bring a can of soup for my first meal, then use the left over can as a pot for the rest of the trip.
+jcoronet2000 thats a pretty good idea!
+John Smith www.rei.com/product/401100/open-country-aluminum-pot-lifter?cm_mmc=cse_PLA_GOOG-_-4011000009&CAWELAID=120217890000769592&lsft=cm_mmc:cse_PLA_GOOG
John Smith the soup actually heats quite well in the can, I've never had a spill over.
you have a point with the plastic coating many companies use a BPA plastic (I need to do more research into this, thank you for bringing this to my attention)
I wouldn't say I'm a "serious" hiker, I'm more of a "frugal hiker". the can itself weighs about as much as any fancy titanium pot on the market but is basically free. even the pot lifter costs about 1/5th the cost of a low end pot (mine has been weight reduced to 1oz).
separating food and water doesn't make it lighter, you have to carry the the food and the water either way.
I think the point of a lightweight stove is to reduce the weight of the stove not to limit your diet to freeze dried food.
John Smith You sound less like a "serious" hiker, and more like an arrogant one. Because someone does not do things YOUR way, does not make it wrong. It makes it different. Spending lots of money does not make you a serious hiker, FYI (It just means you spent more than the next guy, congrats). In my 20+ years of backpacking, I have seen tons of different ways to do things, and have seen people bring canned food into the backcountry. I have seen guys bring chairs, beer, cans of food, coffee makers (campfire style) and kitchen pots 10+ miles into the backcountry. Thats what they wanted, thats what they brought. The seemed pretty serious about having it. Would I bring that stuff? nope. Does it mean they cant, or that it didnt work? Nope. Just means it was different. Using a can for a 3-5 day trip a totally viable option, and opening a can will be a breeze if you carry a multitool, which is pretty common sense while backpacking. As for "bugging out"... you may think its stupid, or only a "kook" (as you put somewhere else on one of my videos) would talk about it, but, having an emergency plan is wise. Thats all bugging out is. If there is a natural disaster, its a set of gear you can easily grab to be prepared to leave your home for a short time, usually a few days. For someone who has been hiking for 40 years (claimed) you have some growing up to do. You can choose to add something to the conversation, or leave. Guys like you are the worst to meet on the trail. A Backpacking Know it all, better than you, old stick in the mud. jcoronet2000 , sorry you had this guy do this to you. I have met plenty of them while hiking, and on the internet. He has no videos up, just snarky comments on other peoples videos. Most likely hasnt hiked in a decade or two. If you have an idea about the soup can, test it out at home first. Hobo's have used soup and coffee cans to cook in for a while now. They dont last too long, but they will work. Get outside and have fun! Dont worry about this old codger... I mean..."serious hiker".
John Smith Get a life. I am a 46er (46 high peaks in NY), have most of the Presidential Range, and Climbed Bachelor In Oregon, as well as hiked in Montana, Washington, Colorado, and have extensive winter climbing under my belt.
I have seen someone drag a camp chair into the backcountry.
Money gets spent on gear...I know first hand, but money spent is not equal to a "serious hiker". I have seen plenty of clowns spend thousands to look the part, and have the latest greatest, and I have seen real hikers have cheap old stuff and put down 2x the miles with 99% less whining.
i have both an esbit and a alcohol stove. yes the esbit smells. but it can be blown out and reused. just seal it in a plastic bag. they also work great as fire starter for wet conditions. just another use.
good video. thanks for all the effort.
Thanks. Im working on a lightweight cover for the alcohol stove to be able to put it out and put the fuel back into the container. I think the esbit has its uses, I just prefer the alcohol. Thanks for watching!
I appreciate the test, I love the different stoves on test. I'm quite new to ultra light hiking and after a few trips I look no further than the simple converted Tuna can stove, it's just so light and that it fits perfectly inside my pot as well as wind shield (I use a 10 inch Zebra pot). But no solution is perfect, I still have to carry the fuel and the can probably won't last long, but I pretty much make a new one per outing. As for he vid, a big thumbs up, because for me, choosing the right stove is a big issue especially for people just starting out.
Thanks! Everyone has to find what works for them...thats part of the reason I made this. Everyone has different views and needs. Thanks for watching!
As far as the Esbit goes, this might be a cheaper option for the tablets: during World War 2, a man named Norman Stark was tasked to develop a fuel tablet to replace the sterno canisters that the army had been using up until that point. In 1976, Mr. Stark published the recipe that he came up with. Combine three pounds of paraffin wax with four pounds of fine sawdust in a double boiler, and pour into a mould. He suggested using cardboard tubes from toilet paper rolls, which could then be dipped in wax for waterproofing and cut into sections. You could also use an ice cube tray to make something approximately the same size as an Esbit tablet. You could also use it for the stove in a can if you want. Here's a link to the article that I found about it:
www.mreinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5228
I made a cap from tinfoil to extinguish my alcohol stove.
On your Esbit, make small shavings, same as with a magnesium bar and it easily takes a spark.
I believe it's kerosene that fuels the blocks.
Not to my taste either, but I have a few of the blocks as alternative firestarters.
You can get lower-cost fuel for the esbit stove at Home Depot sold as fire starters
If you stand the esbit tab on edge you'll get a nicer burn
The Esbit. Well, I started when I was in The scout's in england.
The stove was made for the Forces. MRI packs.
And as I am 71 now. They have been around me some time 😅😅😅.
Great show of how the difference between the burners .
The gas one can slow down on heat when used in the snow.
So longer time to heat up things.
I'm a fan of the Esbit. It also doubles as a wood stove if the fuel tab didn't burn long enough. And for a little more money you can get the flush-folding "emergency" stove that weights about 2.5 ounces. Great video!
Thanks. The esbit worked well enough, I just preferred the alcohol stove. Thanks for your support!
What I like about the Esbit pocket stove is the light weight, the way it is ultra compact (you can store 4 tabs inside the folded stove). Takes way less room in your pack (important factor for me) than a Pocket Rocket and with it's can of fuel. I don't like alcool stove because I always fear spills, plus alcool evaporates. Anyway, thank you for doing this video comparing 4 very different compact stove. Good job!
+Rangersly thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
I store my fuel can and pocket rocket inside my cook pot/mug and still have room for more in there. I've never used the esbit though.
In 3 months the fuel in an 8 oz. alcohol bottle had evaporated making my stove unuseable. Lucky I had an Esbit backup.
@@charleswalter2902 I would definitely suggest getting a new bottle if u haven't yet. If your fuel is evaporating in the bottle there is definitely a small leak. An 8oz. Soda bottle works great and is cheap and sometimes free. I've had fuel stored in one for over two years with no evaporation issues. Hope this helps. ✌
Nice information and presentation; I run at 1.5x . I will be trying a soda can wood stove. There are double walled wood stoves that supposedly are extremely effecient, too, which I will consider building or buying in the future. I was hoping this would have a wood stove example. I see you probably don't mess with it but I like low cost with my current application, where I am not time sensitive, for which pocket rocket style clearly excels.
if you scrape the top of the esbit tab it will light a lot easier and you can also blow it out and reuse the remaining of it
I buy the refill pucks n cut up for fire starting for small grill they work great for that but never tried to boil with the can
If you don't like the smell of the fuel tabs, the Esbit might still be worth carrying to use as a pot stand and protection from the wind for the Alcohol stove.
Two minutes in.... pause.... Boil times? no contest.... Pocket Rocket. Great video... Thanks for sharing!
I respect your opinion on those and I agree with you.
I see the esbit and stove in a can as emergency stoves, throw them in the car and forget about them.
I used bluet gas stoves for years, if you keep the canister off the ground/snow and use a windscreen the canister will warm up and run fine.
The alcohol fancy feast stove works in to the -0s.
Use my Esbit to burn wood, works great. What does your stove burn if it runs out of fuel?
@@chetgravatt9562
Your "stove" is a steel plate with folding legs.
Doesn't really compare to other stove designs.
That said, there is something to be said for multifuel capable stove designs.
I really like the pocket rocket stoves. I got one off of amazon for under $8 and its worked fine for me so far.
there are a bunch of stoves based on the MSR that work well and for less money. Glad you like it. Thanks for watching!
thanks for the video.
one thing that I would suggest is that a few different types of alcohol Stove can fit inside the esbit body so you can effectively get the best of both worlds with a bit of a wind break and pot stand.
I like how balanced your video was. like all things there is a time and place for each (apart from the stove in a can lol). personally I like the alcohol stove esbit combo for camping but keep a rocket Stove type at home for emergency incase the gas goes off. mainly due to the adjustable flames and suitability for use indoors
thanks! Each stove has many different ways it can be used and they have strong and weak points.
You can also get HEET at most gas stations.
But, downside to those soda can stoves is that you can indeed squish them.
Accidents do happen. Especially in life light.
Don't leave your stove out to cool in the dark and forget about it.
I prefer designs with a lid, personally. But you can also make a little priming tray for them that can also be used to snuff them out.
They are definitely light and cheap, though.
Great comparison video.
I have a Trangia alcohol stove w/ frypan, big and small pot and coffeepot, a cheap knockoff of the same and a cheap-o gas burner for cartridges. the trangia is by far the best in wind &weather but very heavy and plagued by sooting the pots.
I use the Esbit Titanium Stove which weighs 0.4 oz. / 11.5g
Wayyyyyy Lighter than the Esbit you use in your test and most Light Weight backpackers will use
Great comparison- I like it that you were willing to admit bias, but still perform a fair test.
I use either a Trangia alcohol stove in one of the Esbit "three-panel" pot stands, or I use an Esbit pocket stove with the hexamine tabs.
I agree with you that, overall, the alcohol stove is better as a stove. The real beauty of the hexamine fuel tablets, in my opinion, is that if you put four of them and a book of matches inside the stove you have the ability to heat up four meals in the palm of your hand. It's relatively heavy, it stinks, it leaves soot, and the flame can't be controlled... but I don't think a more compact system for a short hike of only a couple nights exists. As you touched on, they are hard to beat for a "get home bag".
Thanks!
Any comparison needs to include weight of the whole system, stove, container, fuel container, tools, and enough fuel to boil 10 quarts of water. Of course in extreme cold and/or altitude, some fuels do far better than others.
combine your pocket rocket stove with the Esbit. I got an esbit style stove in a MRE meal bucket, so there is that.
As far as the Esbit fuel tabs, make sure you don't discard them or the clam shells they came in near your camp. Bears love fish. at least grizzlies do.
Nice tip on the fuel canisters
got in to alchol stoves about 5 yrs ago. living in a cold climate as in minn. i threw mine away. spent to much time priming & warming the heet. have had esbit type stoves in my kit for over 40 yrs, use them for camping & emergency use. butane style have a whisper lite also. part of my kit is a us army canteen stove that uses the fuel tablets or wood.
Might have to try the msr burner. I have used diy Pepsi can stoves like yours for years, they do work well. Then I bought my first trangia alcohol burner, the military version, and I fell in love with it. Big alcohol stove fan, I've used mine at 9000 ft elevation below zero Temps, a little difficult to light, but not too bad...Great review brother thank you
I had high hopes for the stove in a can. Seemed like a cool idea. I think i'd go with the pocket rocket in almost any scenario. The only other scenario, as you mentioned, for a bug out or get home bag. In which case i'd have the Esbit. But only for its shelf stability of the fuel. Don't have to worry about spilling all your HEET or accidently not getting a good seal on and allowing all of your isobutane to leak out. That and here in Texas I wouldn't want to leave Heet or Isobutane in the car in the summer so esbit or maybe Sterno would be my only options as a stored fuel. Otherwise i'd just have something like maybe a folding stick burner stove. Good comparison, though. I enjoyed the video.
Are used what you’re calling an Esbit with hexamine through my entire tour in the army. I suspect that’s where it came from, exclamation is basically the primary ingredient and C4 and soldiers have been using C4 to cook food on since they were issued C-4. It worked really well for ramen. The reason we used them in the infantry is they’re small and they’re rugged and you really can’t break them. Whereas the MSR constantly gets broken if you’re smashing around on it. It’s nice to have something that just works 100% of the time.
very good comparison of ul stoves . thanks for posting
+John Chang Thank you!
Best line, "it won't get you drunk, it'll get you dead"! Great video too, thank you!
Peter Morley haha thanks
Hey buddy. I enjoyed the demo of stoves. I get the feeling you camp alone. We camp as a family so a larger flame base is need for us. I like the method used to compare the cookers. I learned and chilled watched you. I have a sort of challenge; can you cook for a family of four? What is the best family camp cooking gear. Let me know when you release the recording. Thanks Buddy, Ann
I think it would work great on a picnic table for coffee or soup… good car emergency kit. I would ditch the skewers & put a little BBQ screen over top… closer to fire where could boil faster. Probably make own fuel cakes with cedar chip sawdust & melted paraffin. Great video!
The Esbit stove comes into its own for lightweight winter, high altitude backpacking when the MSR Pocket Rocket and alcohol stove struggle. I clean the bottom of the pot with a handful of snow and most of it comes right off (it all comes off easily once home). I wouldn't recommend using inside the tent and for myself I have gone to an invertible isobutane stove, but Esbit is a solid choice for winter, high altitude backpacking.
Awesome vid! I like that pocket rocket - may have to invest in one...but REALLY love my Optimus Svea 123.
When I'm going light though, I take my Esbit and my Altoids tin alcohol stove. Esbit tabs light really fast if you scrape some crumbs and put them on top of the cube you're using. Yeah - stinky and messy, but I just grab some dirt and wipe off the outside of my cup. Nice thing about the Esbit stove though is you can burn charcoal, wood, etc in it in an emergency. Added bonus, I can use it as a platform for my Altoids stove and get added airflow.
Thanks for another great vid.
Thanks! I have plans to make an altoids stove and see how that works. The pocket rocket is great and super easy to use, it would be a worthy investment.
You could've placed the lid on top of that can stove.. After repeated heating and cooling I'm not sure how much it would warp in terms of being able to reseal the can itself.. But it would've snapped right on top of the air ring.. But again another reason wood burners are top cause you can easily place any of these fuel sources in one all the same.. Personally I love the Kelly kettles.. Boil water and cook food at the same time.. Can even be used in conjunction with a pocket type stove..
Kelly kettles are awesome, but their strength is also their weakness. It's really good at boiling water, and it doesn't do anything else. A bit heavy for my taste, great for emergency or car camping
Ever heard of tetkoba alcohol stove? Amazing designs and inspiration. Raises alcohol stoves to the next level.
Sam Gleysteen I'll take a look into them, thanks for the idea.
The esbit stove is good for military use. With different fuel tabs you dont get the smell or residue.
10:00 If you put the alcohol stove over the alcohol spill, you can light the spill to help prime the jets.
For a bug out bag or a survival kit while hiking, which one would you recommend we carry with us?
Over this side of the pond in Europs, we have the Fire Dragon. Very similar to the Esbit. Issued to British Army is uses a simular tablet fuel, but is much cleaner and does not smell. I can buy the stove online for less than $5. I believe Fre Dagon Tablets are unobtainable in the US .