WATCH This Before You Buy An Alcohol Stove - 11 Tests - 7 Alcohol Stoves WHICH IS THE BEST ONE?

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @soletrail
    @soletrail  Год назад +11

    Hey Adventurers. 👋
    If you want to support me please hit the "like button"👍 For some reason it really makes a big positive impact on the channel.
    Massive thank you for all the support. I appreciate you all 🙂 Stay safe on the hills.
    Big Thank. Martin 🙌

  • @jonfisher9214
    @jonfisher9214 10 месяцев назад +42

    One point to add is the function of the Trangia simmer ring. Putting the simmer ring on (fully opened) doubles the burn time while halving the fuel being used. Half closing it gives four times the burn time and reduces fuel to a quarter. I found that very useful when taking my family camping and cooking dinner on two Trangia stoves at once.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  10 месяцев назад +5

      Great idea. I must try that.

    • @jimf1964
      @jimf1964 3 месяца назад +2

      Yeah, I just commented how no one ever tests burn time from full to capacity. I had gone off alcohol stoves after having a couple and finding, among other issues, they would run out too fast. Maybe that was a bit my fault, because they are made for a certain style of cooking, but the trangia stays lit, and burns a decent time, and has the simmer ring.
      Have you ever tried the military version? Mine isn’t a trangia, but it is supposed to be what the military is actually issued. It’s got a huge flame. A real beast.

    • @sorenbaek9626
      @sorenbaek9626 Месяц назад

      Good call, No other spirit burners seem to have this ability which is why for me they are the only type I use

  • @blackboardbloke
    @blackboardbloke 5 месяцев назад +29

    I’ve used a Trangia burner since 1987 when I bought a Mini Trangia for long distance trail backpacking, cycle touring day hikes and rock climbing days.
    Talking of quality, I’ve never had to replace it, or even the rubber sealing ring. I just wire brush/wire wool the burner’s jet ring and the inside of the reservoir every time it gets slightly corroded/dirty and poke a needle or pin through the jet holes. Next I fill it about halfway with water, screw on the cap and give it a good shaking to dislodge anything I can’t get to, empty out, repeat a couple of times until it’s clear water with no particles and leave it to dry out over a day or two. Never leave it with fuel in it after a trip, always burn it off.
    It was the only one I’d used up until about 10 years ago when I decided to make my gear a bit lighter and I made my own out of thin aluminium skinned pop/beer cans. Now the Trangia gets used for base camps and for winter and temperatures approaching freezing and below. My homemade ones are restricted to backpacking treks/cycle tours over several days or weeks.
    The the reason for Trangia winter use is that I pre-fuel the burner, screw the cap on and keep it in an inside pocket to keep it at body heat. This ensures it will light as normal.
    If you get a non-sharp syringe 💉 online (I use one from a computer printer ink cartridge refill kit) then you can measure how much fuel you require to make a mug of hot drink, a stew etc. This saves wastage. The other use for the syringe is to encircle the base of the Trangia’s screw thread with fuel, the base’s rim forming a gutter, then empty the rest of your measure in the burner’s reservoir. Light the circle of fuel first which heats up the jet ring, the flame transfers to the reservoir and primes faster.
    If you add 10% water to meths ratio, your fuel will go 10% further and it reduces sooting, because the purple dye in the meths is reduced. There is no noticeable reduction in performance.
    Treat your Trangia with care, and you won’t need to buy another one unless you lose it. 😉

    • @jimf1964
      @jimf1964 3 месяца назад +2

      Trangia sells a sort of cup to go under your stove. It has a sort of wick that when soaked with a few drops of alcohol will act like a candle to preheat your stove in cold weather. Also keeps the bottom off cold ground. It closes and opens using the grooves on the outside of your stove.
      I made one from the bottom of a stainless water bottle from the thrift store for $1. Works great, cuz it gets cold in canada.

  • @juliangarner56
    @juliangarner56 5 месяцев назад +7

    I'm a really strong guy so am not phased by the Trangia's "weight" (come on guys, 120 grams is not WEIGHT!)
    I like cooking, as opposed to heating things up/boiling water, so the Trangia's advantages in that area make it a complete no brainer. For me. Other opinions are, of course, available. Thanks for the vid. Happy camping, y'all, from Finland. X

  • @questions6746
    @questions6746 Год назад +14

    The bloom/prime speed is mainly dictated by wether or not the burner has any wicking inside. Many knock off's do not.
    * Boil time starts the moment we light it. Because priming time all contributes to the boil anyway.
    * Priming fuel is not wasted if you put water on at the beginning.
    * To measure efficiency we must count runout time or fuel left over after boil.
    * The faster it consumes fuel = the faster it burns = the quicker it boils = the shorter the runout time... as long as everything else in the test is the same.
    * The overall performance is what is important. Not the priming time.
    * Some of the most efficient performers do not even have nozzles.
    * They all perform better when they get hotter.
    * Do your own tests. You will see........

    • @Trains-With-Shane
      @Trains-With-Shane 8 месяцев назад +4

      This mirrors what I was about to post as well. I don't wait for a stove to prime before I get the pot on to boil. So for me the "bloom time" really doesn't matter at all. What I want to know is how long i takes from the second I light it till I get the boil. And peripherally how much fuel was used during that time.

  • @rodstein09
    @rodstein09 10 месяцев назад +5

    Couple things, I love to see these tests, so thank you. I would like to say that I never leave the pot off the stove while priming is happening. Priming happens faster with the pot on, and with some of these stoves the pot may boil before priming is done. For real efficiency, it’s how many times can you boil water on a set amount of fuel. Using your numbers it basically comes that the Xboil can boil four times, and the Tangia three times with the rest fewer than that with 30 mL of fuel.

  • @stummj99
    @stummj99 Год назад +5

    Superb video. Thank you for going to such trouble to do a comprehensive comparison. Im switching to alcohol from gas for a bit to see how I get on with it as I recently had trouble getting gas abroad and alcohol fuel is more readily available. This is the video Ive been looking for! I had the Trangia on my christmas list as we all know how difficult it is to buy for men! But in the meantime I got myself an x-boil as I like the windshield/potstand setup. I was super impressed with it to the extent that Im not sure im going to get the Trangia anymore. We'll see how it performs in the outdoors. On my kitchen worktop its superb. BUT...... in controlled tests similar to yours, the Des Cattys stove performed even better. No idea why. They use a different method of holding the fuel (again safely so no danger of burning fuel going everywhere if its knocked over - the big drawback to any of the Trangia type stoves as far as I can see) X-Boil uses Graphite Felt, Des Cattys uses some sort of insulation material I think. Anyway I found boil time significantly better with Des Cattys so Im taking the DC with an xboil windshield as my next set up. In fact when Im going Ultralight by cook system is literally 600ml Titanium mug, xboil windshield, Des Catty Burner, lighter, fuel, spork. Thats it. Insanely lightweight.

  • @danielsingh9415
    @danielsingh9415 5 месяцев назад +2

    The Boundless Voyage copy of the Evernew Ti alcohol burner WAS my old fav. But u CAN snuff it out using the trangia snuffer/simmer ring (after removing the stove stand) and recover some of the unused fuel, rather than just letting it burn off. Also, u can simmer by placing ur cup/pot directly on the top ring of burners on ur stove, after it blooms. Mine came with a fiberglass wick inside, so it only takes about 20sec to pressurize & bloom, if u use a windscreen & a reflective heat pad. Plus it has internal measurements for 30ml/1oz & 60ml/2oz inside the stove! But my new fav is the Lixada siphon stove, cuz it blooms in seconds, u can snuff it with ur cup or any flat bottomed pot etc and easily recover unused fuel, and u can mod a simmer ring for it, i used a coconut milk can lid & chopped a hole in it. It all nests together, 2 stoves, pots/cup, fuel, simmer/snuffer, lighter, folding spork, trivet, tea/coffee, sweetener & mylk 👍

  • @Marwin911
    @Marwin911 Год назад +17

    Thx - great vid. What I really like about the Trangia in real-life cooking is the simmering ring (which is also an argument for gas cooking btw). On multi-day hikes that really comes in handy, as many meals will requiring a good amount of reduced heat simmering time. None of the other burners can offer that, which for me makes it well worth carrying the extra weight.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Hi Marwin.. thanks for the comment. Great thought on the simmering of the triangia. I actually haven't used that yet to be honest. But I will give it a try next time I'm out. Do you use it much? That video took me forever to make and edit 🤣 I was to far in it to turn back. Its something I'm interested in anyways so that was a help. Have a few more stove set up videos on the way. 🙂🙌

    • @EspenFrafalne
      @EspenFrafalne Год назад +2

      Various titanium burners (like the Evernew and Rover Camel) has a secondary ring of jet holes, which means that you can place the pot directly on the stove, which will block most of the flames, and give a much more moderate heat output. WAY more practical than the awful simmer ring if you ask me... Both the Evernew and Rover Camel comes with a cross stand, which gives quicker boil times than the Trangia, and weighs close to nothing. Total weight of my Rover Camel is 63g/2.22oz (on my scale). As cross stands are incompatible with the simmer ring, the most lightweight option im aware of is the Bushbox Ultralight stand/wood stove (65g/2.29oz on my scale). When you add in a Trangia burner + lid + simmer ring, it totals 177g/6.26oz (on my scale), which is 2.8 times heavier than the Rover Camel setup.

  • @christophertavenner3547
    @christophertavenner3547 5 месяцев назад +3

    I have several Trangia burners, I put a cotton ball in each one they last a lot longer on burn time.

    • @christophertavenner3547
      @christophertavenner3547 5 месяцев назад +1

      I also put them in an empty soup can. Tha way it's not so hot to touch. But that's just me. I love them.

  • @stuartcrane9409
    @stuartcrane9409 Год назад +6

    Great test one issue you missed is other than just boiling water, which stove can you cook with and vary the heat…the only one is Trangia that’s quality. It’s not always about speed of boil unless that’s all you do and used rehydration

    • @omega4711
      @omega4711 3 месяца назад

      The Esbit (which is a major german brand and not cheap at all) is the best to regulated, since you don't need any tools - the burner cover is much better!

  • @catherineweaver9302
    @catherineweaver9302 Год назад +15

    From another alcohol stove nerd, you've missed the Speedster Stove...8gms of sheer sweetness

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Oooo do tell.. I must check it out. Thanks for the suggestion 😃

  • @ericb.4358
    @ericb.4358 11 дней назад +2

    The MOST EFFICIENT alky stove is the Trail Designs Caldera Cone series WITH matching pot. My best burner is the small KOJIN stove.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  11 дней назад

      @@ericb.4358 I would love to get my hands on the Caldera Cone. I thought they stopped making them? Always wanted one. 🙌

  • @thedaftestnameicouldthinko8233
    @thedaftestnameicouldthinko8233 Год назад +11

    I’ve only tried my X Boil in the housing that came with it. The speed was OK but I was very impressed by how much meths was left. It seemed highly fuel efficient. Which makes me wish you had weighed the stoves before and after to find out how much each stove used to get the job done. I may do that myself for my stove but I don’t have many to compare it with. With gas and meths, old stoves still work well, and a couple of mine are ancient, but modern stoves seem more efficient.
    My Trangia warped early in its life so has never been capable of storing meths. I have an Evernew titanium equivalent which gives off a lot of heat but doesn’t seem very efficient.
    I’m interested by your prime time measurements. The fire point of alcohol won’t be changing so it must be variation in how long it takes to get critical parts of the stove up to that temperature.
    An interesting video. I watched to the end.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +3

      Thank you very much. That is something I did think about. How much fuel left after boiling. But I was deep in the rabbit hole by then and I could have been there for a week 🤣 I will do that myself. It's a good question. For 40ml of fuel... How many times could you boil 200ml of water 🤔 maybe another video. That's for the comment my friend. Appreciate it.

    • @Frindleeguy
      @Frindleeguy Год назад

      You have the total burn time, and the amount of time it took to boil the water. Simple subtraction and you'll know how much burn time was left. Then simple division given the fuel quantity and the percent of time used vs total time available and you'll know exactly how much was left :)

    • @Sokol10
      @Sokol10 Год назад

      @@Frindleeguy X-Boil wins in efficiency, use 7.43 ml for the boil. Trangia uses 9:28ml.

  • @christopherpuleo
    @christopherpuleo 2 месяца назад +1

    There are 2 burners/ stoves I keep going back to, no matter what others I buy or build. My Trangias and my Fancy Feast.

  • @lenrice7482
    @lenrice7482 9 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome video with attention to detail - second to none! Thankyou so much for taking the time to do this video.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  9 месяцев назад

      Appreciate the feedback.. currently editing some more stove videos. Stay tuned. Thanks for the support

  • @IrelandOutdoors
    @IrelandOutdoors Год назад +3

    Class video Martin, really hit my geek spot as well! I'm a big Trangia fan so I'm real glad it made it into your top 3! I know its heavy but I guess your test confirms the quality that nearly 100 years of use brings! The simmer ring is a great additional feature even if it is a bit fiddley to use, the Esbit ring seems a good idea with the foldout lever. That xboil is really innovative though, tempting me as a lightweight secondary burner to take a long if I needed two stoves for making a larger dinner. Thanks for taking the time to make this one, really valued the comparison Martin!

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +2

      Hey Gary. Big thanks for the comments man. From this video I was sent a Goshawk Rapid Boiler by Goshawk in Australia. Wow is all I have to say. Have a review on it on the way. The simmer function of the triangia is something I have not used yet. Will try it out. That video took stupid hours to make🤣🤣🤣

    • @IrelandOutdoors
      @IrelandOutdoors Год назад +1

      @@soletrail Class Martin, looking forward to seeing the stats on the Goshawk!

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Brig thanks for the Super like Pal. 🙌🙂

    • @EspenFrafalne
      @EspenFrafalne Год назад +1

      Im just gonna spam this on a few simmer ring comments, lol..:
      Various titanium burners (like the Evernew and Rover Camel) has a secondary ring of jet holes, which means that you can place the pot directly on the stove, which will block most of the flames, and give a much more moderate heat output. WAY more practical than the awful simmer ring if you ask me... Both the Evernew and Rover Camel comes with a cross stand, which gives quicker boil times than the Trangia, and weighs close to nothing. Total weight of my Rover Camel is 63g/2.22oz (on my scale). As cross stands are incompatible with the simmer ring, the most lightweight option im aware of is the Bushbox Ultralight stand/wood stove (65g/2.29oz on my scale). When you add in a Trangia burner + lid + simmer ring, it totals 177g/6.26oz (on my scale), which is 2.8 times heavier than the Rover Camel setup.

    • @michaeloliver7525
      @michaeloliver7525 Год назад

      really enjoyed the empirical evidence approach - excellent vid thank you! have recently gotten my mitts on a Goshawk era burner - appears to compare very favourably to my previous favourite the Trangia, though havent as yet been as scientific in the testing@@soletrail

  • @cycletouringoz5760
    @cycletouringoz5760 Месяц назад +2

    I own a Trangia and a Tatonka
    I must say that the Tatonka, all stainless steel is a beautifully crafted bit of kit and generally speaking, both stoves perform identically.
    Any stove is better than no stove though
    Good review here mate

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  27 дней назад

      Oooo I must look up the Tatonka. You may have just cost me money 😂 cheers for the comment.

  • @numismatric
    @numismatric 2 месяца назад

    Yours is the best alcohol stove review I've ever seen and I agree with your views. I carry both Trangia gas and alcohol stoves where carry space matters, but not so much weight when it comes to a few grams i.e. motorcycle panniers, so I have fuel options and when I can't find gas bottles I use the alcohol stove which there again is beautifully quiet to run; thanks again for your good work...

  • @sorenbaek9626
    @sorenbaek9626 Месяц назад +1

    Really good comparison review. Im a die hard Trangia man, I just love them. There so adaptable and you can ad hoc so many different set ups with them. I made my own X boil esq burner to use with a esbit military pocket stove. These are the only two spirit burners I ever need and use.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Месяц назад

      Happy days. Yeah you can't beat the trangia. The build quality and overall look is amazing. So reliable. Do you always use alcohol stoves?

    • @sorenbaek9626
      @sorenbaek9626 Месяц назад

      @@soletrail Yeah. Don't like Jet Boils. Like to hear and enjoy the nature not scare it all away !

  • @garyhyndman1105
    @garyhyndman1105 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for taking the time out to do this. Appreciated.

  • @eddiepineiro9145
    @eddiepineiro9145 2 месяца назад +1

    I'm thinking about using alcohol instead of propane for my bondocks truck topper.. thanks u for the video..

  • @simarkeenlyside
    @simarkeenlyside 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for this comparison. Really helpful . Best wishes

  • @alanhamilton890
    @alanhamilton890 Год назад +2

    Hi Martin. Well, you put in some massive work for that video. Bet you were editing and re-editing like mad. I have always loved my Trangia. Top notch piece of equipment. I'm interested in that stainless steel one though. Ya might send it on to me if you're never going to use it again LOL. Thanks again for all your work you produce for the benefit of others...

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Well Pal.. you just summed up the editing. Around 13 hours. Crazy. It's mad.. editing an adventure hike is half that time editing. Anyways your welcome to that stove pal won't be using it. 🙌

  • @Curlew-Corner
    @Curlew-Corner Год назад +1

    I have a Trangia 27 which I love and have just bought an X-boil stove kit which I think I’ll also love - intend to pair it with a Toaks 55ml light titanium pot.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Sounds like you're assembling quite the outdoor cooking setup! The Trangia 27 and X-boil stove kit should serve you well for different camping and backpacking scenarios. Pairing them with a Toaks 55ml light titanium pot is a great choice for a compact and lightweight cooking solution. Enjoy your outdoor cooking adventures, and may your meals be delicious! 🏕️🍳🔥

  • @duncanthebikenut
    @duncanthebikenut 3 месяца назад +1

    I was hoping you would do a video that compared how hot water would get with a set amount of fuel. This would be my definition of efficiency. V good vid👍🏽

  • @jonfrance7201
    @jonfrance7201 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks. Looking at this I might go for a Speedster small screw top stove similar to the one you tested here. Liked and subscribed. Like what I’m seeing here and I see you have videos of Knockmealdown and other areas I’d like to explore.

  • @jimf1964
    @jimf1964 3 месяца назад +1

    One thing no one ever covers, which we could do ourselves, but it would have made the test complete, is how much capacity does each one have, or more to the point, when they’re full, how long will each last. I have in the past tried to make a meal, and the darn things run out during the cooking. Knowing this, along with all your tests would have been really valuable, but no one ever does that! 😢
    As for my personal experience, I had a few before I got a trangia. They took so long to bloom, and or blew out with the slightest breeze. So I was so impressed with how it just got angry when there was a breeze. I really like it. Especially since you can control the flame a bit with the simmer ring.
    I’m impressed with that xboil though. I’ll have to make one for when all I’m gonna do is boil some water to rehydrate, or a cup of tea or something.

    • @unmoving2030
      @unmoving2030 2 месяца назад

      No one ever: ruclips.net/video/MxwFglDvYv8/видео.htmlsi=z0ThtoOwF-8Yy3fd
      But doesn't look very accurate per se.

    • @GeekfromYorkshire
      @GeekfromYorkshire 2 месяца назад

      My only real experience is with the Trangia, having 25, 27, 28 (Mini). With the 25 cooking a large meal yes you can run out of fuel and have to wait for it to cool, refill, resume, but with the 27 I don' recall ever having the problem, cooking for 1-2 the Trangia burner's capacity is sufficient.
      If you're cooking a large complex meal then might as well go with Gas anyway, speed, control, and total weight can be less for a many-day trip.

  • @HillHyker
    @HillHyker Год назад +4

    Another great video. Very scientific with tons of information. So much so that I need to look at it again. If you have a light stove that burns hot quick and uses more fuel than a slower heavier one. Then you have the factor in the weight of the extra fuel. Great work. Well done bud.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Cheers.. it's a deep rabbit hole I went down 🤣 that bloody video took longer than any adventure hike 🤣🤣

    • @HillHyker
      @HillHyker Год назад

      @@soletrail And not a drop of rain to set the mood. 🤣👍

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      @@HillHyker should have done the test in the shower 🤣

    • @HillHyker
      @HillHyker Год назад

      @@soletrail Funny, but that wouldn't surprise me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
      It would be a great new concept in RUclips.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

  • @wolfgrube
    @wolfgrube Год назад +2

    That's so funny, these great stoves with the beautiful jets make such a good impression. Then you put a cream container next to it and it holds up well. Perfect video, thank you.

  • @kokopelau6954
    @kokopelau6954 Год назад +1

    I'm kind of a do-it-your-selfer and I had an old screwtop little can laying around from some bb's so I hand made a stove using welding felt, a little bit of wire screening to hold it in place. Watching your video I realized I could have just bought one. 31 grams fully assembled, 21 without lid. Mine was kind of free cause all materials were in the house. I love it. My boil time is about same as yours. I've not tested it like you did.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      That's some serious DIY spirit right there! Creating your own stove using materials you had at home is not only resourceful but also adds that personal touch. It's awesome that you managed to craft a functional stove that's both lightweight and effective. And it's all about enjoying the process, right? Your stove sounds fantastic, and your boil time matching up is a solid testament to your skills.
      Whether you make your own or go for a pre-made option, the joy is in the journey. Keep rocking that DIY mentality and enjoying those outdoor cooking adventures. If you've got more DIY tales or gear talk, I'm here. Cheers to creative solutions and perfect boil times! 🔥🍃🌟

    • @kokopelau6954
      @kokopelau6954 Год назад +1

      @soletrail I was born in 1947. Lived what they now call a subsistence lifestyle. You either made it or did without. I learned really young how to be a woodsman and DIYer. Did my first solo camp at about 9 years old, not in the backyard. Today my parents would probably have me taken away for child endangerment or some such nonsense, me i just had a good time. Moved to the city when i was in my early teens and got out of the woods habit, been getting back in it the last few years. Sorely missed it. Now my body's a little broke, so i can't do the hard sh!t. Miss it. Just do what I can.

  • @AlwaysLookOntheBrightSide77
    @AlwaysLookOntheBrightSide77 2 месяца назад +1

    Fantastic video mate thanks allot you've saved allot of people allot of time and money. Appreciate it mate 👌

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  2 месяца назад +1

      @@AlwaysLookOntheBrightSide77 cheers for the comment. Making that video was a rabbit hole 😂 I was down too far to turn back 😂😂 glad it's helping. Appreciate the comment.

  • @IAMSatisfied
    @IAMSatisfied 2 месяца назад

    I really appreciate your comparison/review... thanks for posting! I was kind of hoping you were going to include the Evernew titanium, as that seems to be the original quality titanium alcohol burner.

  • @jimhamel7864
    @jimhamel7864 10 месяцев назад +1

    Have you heard of the evernew titanium alcohol stove? Another good one. Thanks for sharing your video, cheers!

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Jim.. I have heard of it.. let me check I may even have one.

    • @jimhamel7864
      @jimhamel7864 10 месяцев назад

      I know there's a lot of stoves to sort through and you can only test so many in 1 video. Keep up the good work, cheers!

  • @TheMangeGrain
    @TheMangeGrain 7 месяцев назад +1

    Nice overview, thanks. I'm considering maybe switching from gas to alcohol stoves. Boil time is not a big concern to me. Fuel efficiency is. And surprisingly, alcohol stoves seem less efficient : I need only 6 g of gas to boil 500 ml of water. With preheating and boil time, an alcohol stove would require 10 to 15 g. But for short hikes, or where gas canisters are not available - they certainly have their uses... I'll try one some day.

  • @albedo0.392
    @albedo0.392 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for your time and your job

  • @caniaccharlie
    @caniaccharlie Год назад +2

    Fun video! I want one of those Xboil stoves, looks like that'd be great to carry as a backup. I have the Esbit stove you tested and have no complaints about it. I also have the older sttle Pathfinder stove that holds 4.5 ozs and will burn 1.5 hours at least on that.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Hey Charlie. Thanks for the comment ☺️. Yeah the esbit stove is good.. it's just that I have the triangia, I can see the difference but a good stove. Must check out the Pathfinder. sounds interesting.Stoves are a mind field of choices 🤣🤣

  • @grantmclachlan1
    @grantmclachlan1 9 месяцев назад +1

    Superb, thanks for taking the time and expense to do this. I only have one genuine Trangia and a few cheap alternatives ,seems they are not that cheap in the long run when you take into account their efficiency.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the comment. I really enjoyed making it. It did take an age and I was questioning my sanity half way though but I love the results. 😊👍

  • @carolinescott3888
    @carolinescott3888 Год назад +1

    Could you add some graphite sponge to the stainless Steel one?

  • @bechilled3875
    @bechilled3875 Год назад +1

    X boil type great, however I did similar test with one extra test. Popped 50ml in X boil type and Trangia, did same test as you on boil time, but then blew out. Let cool and redid test. Trangia loads fuel left, but the other type stuggled, all I can imagine is that in this type the left over fuel evaporates. So on that basis wasted fuel. Spoke to Mr Rambling On about this, think he found similar. Maybe wrong as my test was just for me and not high tech like yours lol. Great video yet again. Cheers

    • @bechilled3875
      @bechilled3875 Год назад

      When I said I redid test once cooled, I meant without adding anymore fuel.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Thanks for sharing. There is so many tests you can do isn't there. Its a rabbit hole 😂

  • @edwarddeleon6211
    @edwarddeleon6211 Год назад +1

    Like was a great video and test on the stoves trangia is the one i use alot alog with the Swedish army mess kit and use it with the GI canteen and i have the Trangia 27 .thanks for sharing

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Glad to hear you enjoyed the video and the stove test! Trangia stoves are known for their reliability, and it's great to hear that you use them frequently. The combination with the Swedish army mess kit and GI canteen sounds like a practical setup for outdoor cooking. Thanks for sharing, and happy camping with your Trangia gear! 🏕️🔥

  • @vancamerawoman7399
    @vancamerawoman7399 3 месяца назад

    That was a great review.
    As I watched I put very cold water to boil for a mug of tea using the Trangia mini and my boil was just under 4 minutes from first lighting.
    With the build quality, the ability to store fuel and the speed, I’m staying with Trangia but the xboil is a definite contender for me…. Maybe 😅

  • @ervinslens
    @ervinslens Год назад +3

    Brilliantly presented bud 🔥🔥

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Cheers My Friend. 🙌🙌

  • @Hogdriver88
    @Hogdriver88 4 месяца назад

    Great comparison. Just got my first Trangia and look forward to using it.

  • @Peter-jo3wt
    @Peter-jo3wt Год назад +1

    Really enjoyed this test.
    I actually saved this test to my text messages, so I could come back and give it my full attention.
    I've never previously considered myself a geek, but I would be interested to know what stoves to your right, you did not consider, and why.
    I guess I AM a geek🤣👍

  • @kencornine8787
    @kencornine8787 Год назад

    I am just delving into all of this, and stumbled upon this video. Very interesting and very informative. I watched til the end and subscribed. Thank you!

  • @8genmilitaryfamusa671
    @8genmilitaryfamusa671 2 месяца назад +1

    This was the best test I've seen. Thank you. Add the Carbon fiber felt to all the ones you like.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  16 дней назад +1

      Great idea. Appreciate the comment. This was a funny test. Got the idea into my head to do it and after hours of filming I was to fair gone to stop 🫣🤣 took me an age to edit it. Worth it in the end. Thanks for stopping by ✌️😊☘️

    • @8genmilitaryfamusa671
      @8genmilitaryfamusa671 15 дней назад

      @@soletrail I'm so glad you did this. Thank you. 👍

  • @siomurchu
    @siomurchu Год назад +1

    Excellent comparison video and one I will return to again. Currently on the gas but will try out an alcohol stove this year for sure.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Hey Stephen. Yeah I use the gas for multi days. Do check out the alcohol stoves. One thing it will do for you is force you to slow down on the trail. Love that. They take a bit longer but are silent and make you take in your surroundings. Love that. Takes for the comment 🙂. Let me know if you get one. Would love your thoughts on them. 🙌👏

  • @dietersager9969
    @dietersager9969 Год назад +1

    The best test of all! Great! Thanks very much!

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Thank you very much. It took a long time to do it. 😂

  • @FoxtrotGear
    @FoxtrotGear 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great comparison but where's the Toaks and Self reliance outfitters?

  • @paulcarter8215
    @paulcarter8215 2 месяца назад +1

    Really interesting, thank you.

  • @Gelaina
    @Gelaina Год назад +1

    Great thorough video. Very helpful.

  • @gerkenneally5053
    @gerkenneally5053 Год назад +4

    Great presentation Martin my head is boiled after that I think I will stick with gas .Stay safe

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Thanks Ger. This one took me for ever 🤣

    • @gerkenneally5053
      @gerkenneally5053 Год назад

      It looked comprehensive a great show

    • @pedroclaro7822
      @pedroclaro7822 Год назад +1

      @@gerkenneally5053 this is overcomplicated if you were thinking of switching to alcohol stoves.
      I'll help out. Are you an ultralighter? What do you cook? How much do you go out?
      If you want to cook properly anywhere with any temperatures, without producing waste with gas cartridges, buy a trangia set. 27 if you an absolute lone wolf, or 25 if you will ever cook for someone else. Weight/price difference is negligible, the biggest difference is pack size. Not an ultralight kit but it's perfect.
      If you're in the UK them check out the 'endurance 400 lava stove' kit. It's an improvement upon the trangia 25 with all it's original benefits.
      If you're cooking for a whole family then buy the esbit 2350.

  • @tomnoyb8301
    @tomnoyb8301 Год назад +3

    Got Capillary? A well-made Capillary-Stove burns both most efficiently and fastest due to its very slight pressure advantage. A small but crucial pressure builds in the chamber between the fuel and capillary burn. That tiny pressure produces a hotter, more efficient blue-flame.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      I don't have a Capillary-Stove, but your description of its efficiency and the advantages of the slight pressure advantage make it sound quite appealing! The concept of that tiny pressure creating a hotter, more efficient blue flame is intriguing. It's always interesting to learn about different stove technologies for outdoor adventures. 😊🔥

  • @Sokol10
    @Sokol10 Год назад

    8:10 - Trangia have a internal cloth (Linen) wick around the inner wall, so "bloom" (prime) fast.
    The Lixada aluminum knockoff don't have this wick.
    Sames goes for the Titanium Boundless Voyager (taller), that is knock off of Evernew Titanium stove, that have the internal wick, seems in fiberglass, the Voyager don't have.
    Then, the Lixada, Voyager and other lazy to prime stoves need a pre heater pan under for reduced the "bloom" time, e.g. can use a small lid for this.
    See PaleoHicker MD tests with the Trail Design "Prime-Lite Primer Pan":
    "Prime ANY Alcohol Stove 10 TIMES Faster for $2.99!"
    Curiosity the aluminum Lixada in their test prime in just over a 1:08s without the primer pan and 0:11s with the pan.

  • @DanHuman
    @DanHuman Год назад +1

    A very thorough comparison of these stoves. Thanks!

  • @garychandler4296
    @garychandler4296 29 дней назад +1

    Never bought a tove, but camp with the old "penny" stoves i made from beer cans. Lightweight, some are high output, medium, and just simmer stoves to keep the first entre warm. They fit inside a Wally World mess kit or my pockets.
    Id like to see a test on these homemade originals (mine are mostly modified).

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  27 дней назад

      Great idea. I never actually made one. You got my mind working now. Thanks 😊🙌

  • @hoser7706
    @hoser7706 Год назад +1

    No Toaks Siphon? Great review.

  • @gernblansten684
    @gernblansten684 24 дня назад +1

    I was wondering which one makes the most cups of coffee, when i dont feel like gathering sticks for the twig stove

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  21 день назад

      The X-boil is a super efficient system. Nice and light.

  • @practicalguy973
    @practicalguy973 Год назад +1

    Nice comparison, check out the Toaks titanium siphon alcohol stove, burns long with fast prime and is really small.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Will do. Cheers for the tip. I have a crazy stove fetish 😂

  • @ClaudeBohls
    @ClaudeBohls 12 дней назад

    Thanks for the reviewing

  • @impermanenthuman8427
    @impermanenthuman8427 11 месяцев назад +1

    The X-boil looks like the Kojin stove from traildesigns who make tailor fitted (for specific pot) sheet titanium multifuel stoves

  • @kokopelau6954
    @kokopelau6954 Год назад +1

    Just out of curiosity why only test 200 ml of water? I use 350 ml cause that is the smallest amount for a decent cup of coffee. My homemade Daisy can I made years ago boils in about 10 mins. Full litre in about 15 mins. Which is the largest amount of water needed for any of my dehydrated meals and a decent cup of coffee or tea.
    Total burn time with about 56ml of heet is 25 mins outside temp 74F water temp 63F.

  • @jodooxq
    @jodooxq 5 месяцев назад +1

    I was very surprised that the little X boil did so well. That will be my next stove for an ultralight set up. 🙏

  • @gearhead-do1xh
    @gearhead-do1xh Год назад +1

    That's good the review
    I think I'll stick to the original trangia. Just picked up the 25-23 Duossal so I'll probably just use the fireboxstove 5"gen2 with my extra trangia for non backpacking trips. Thanks for the cool review. 🎉

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Appreciate that 🙂 I was half way through this review and it was too late to turn back 😂 took me ages to record. I enjoyed it thou 🙂 nice choice of stoves. You should have a look at the Goshawk. Impressive

  • @GrizzlyGaz
    @GrizzlyGaz 8 месяцев назад +1

    Did you do an initial burn first before doing the tests? I found that alcohol stoves take a lot longer to bloom the first few times they're used. Eg the lixada stove, i have this stove and the first 3-4 times i used it it took ages to bloom but now it performs similar to the trangia

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  8 месяцев назад

      Hey Gaz mate. Hope all is well. Great suggestion man. Yep I tried each one 1st when I got them. Be worth doing a test though wouldn't it. Prime from new and prime after 1st burn.. something I hadn't thought about. You just added to my list of stove tests 🤣

    • @GrizzlyGaz
      @GrizzlyGaz 8 месяцев назад

      @@soletrail 🤣🤣🤣 sorry pal 😜

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  8 месяцев назад

      @@GrizzlyGaz my wife thinks I'm gone nuts. Out the back smiling at stoves.. she doesn't know I talk to them as well.... I've said too much.. 🤣🤣

    • @GrizzlyGaz
      @GrizzlyGaz 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@soletrail 🤣🤣🤣 it's the simple things that makes us blokes happy 😁

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  8 месяцев назад

      @@GrizzlyGaz true that

  • @justanalias
    @justanalias 6 месяцев назад +1

    Well done, thank you so much!

  • @AlexanderEddy
    @AlexanderEddy 7 месяцев назад +2

    I love my Trangia

  • @EspenFrafalne
    @EspenFrafalne Год назад +1

    I used to prefer Trangia because of its simmer ring, but later got a Rover Camel titanium burner (very similar to the Evernew), and the secondary ring of jet holes means that you can put the pot directly on the burner (without the cross stand), which will block a lot of the flames, so you get a much more moderate heat output. When used with the included cross stand, it gives off a LOT of heat, and give quicker boil times than the Trangia (about 10% faster IIRC).
    As the Trangia simmer ring is incompatible with cross stands, the Bushbox Ultralight (my favorite stand/wood stove) is the most lightweight option i am aware of. This weighs only 65g (the Trangia Triangle is 115g), but when you add the Trangia + lid + simmer ring, this adds up to 177g/6.26oz total. The Rover Camel (with the included cross stand) only weighs 63g/2.23oz, which is 64% lighter than the Trangia setup.
    The reasons i dont like about the Trangia + simmer ring, is that: 1 - Its difficult to adjust the opening once its on the Trangia burner, and its too hot to handle
    2 - Once the Trangia gets hot, the alcohol will boil and evaporate so quickly that even when i have the simmer ring ALMOST closed, it will still produce big flames, and i have to snuff it out for it to cool off before the simmer ring will work like it should. The Rover Camel also gets hot, but it cools off relatively "quickly" by itself. The last time i used the simmer ring, the Trangia burner didnt cool off at all...

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      You've got some serious gear insights, my friend! That Rover Camel titanium burner sounds like a game-changer, especially with those secondary jet holes - smart move for adjusting heat output. And that Bushbox Ultralight as a lightweight option is brilliant, especially for pairing with the Trangia setup.
      Your points about the Trangia simmer ring make total sense - the difficulties in adjusting and managing the heat output can be a bit tricky. It's clear you've really done your homework on this. Thanks for sharing this detailed comparison; it's super helpful for anyone looking to fine-tune their setup. If you've got more gear wisdom to drop or just want to chat, I'm all ears. Keep those adventures burning! 🔥🏕️🌟

    • @Sokol10
      @Sokol10 Год назад +1

      Give a look in the (Czech) EMO Outdoor + ORIGAMI alcohol stove.
      It's a siphon (capillarity) side burner, this stove use a ingenious "ORIGAMI" pot stand that block the air for the flame moving a lever and reduce the flame efficiently - they claim from 100% do 25%.

    • @EspenFrafalne
      @EspenFrafalne Год назад

      @@Sokol10 That one would be better if you are using bigger pots (which need wider support than just the alcohol stove). I just do solo camping though, so i stick to smaller pots. The weight of the Origami stove is almost twice what my titanium stove with stand weighs, and its also a bit bigger. If i can get away with smaller and more lightweight, without making too much sacrifices, then i usually choose that option. I also have a minor titanium fetish, and have a TI pocket knife, 3 TI flashlights, TI spork (fork in one end, spoon in the other), and a full TI cookset (burner + stand, cup, small pot, and medium pot).

  • @ericcook8422
    @ericcook8422 Год назад +1

    I appreciate your efforts. I'm thinking triangia.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      You're very welcome! Choosing a Triangia stove is a great choice for outdoor cooking. Triangia stoves are known for their durability and reliability. They're especially popular among hikers and campers who appreciate their simplicity and ability to work well in various conditions.
      If you decide to go with a Triangia stove, make sure to check the specific model and accessories that suit your needs and cooking preferences. Happy cooking on your outdoor adventures! 🏕️🍳🔥

  • @DavidDoyleOutdoors
    @DavidDoyleOutdoors Год назад +1

    great video, although to get the true fuel efficiency I would measure the amount of fuel used to boil X amount of water by weighing the stove before and after, I would also put the pot on during priming so as not to waste any heat and fuel.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Hey David. I hear you man. There are so so many different configuration tests. Very good idea though. On the trail I always put the pot on straight away. Just wanted to measure boil time for the stove output after priming. But I hear you. Weighing the full is a great idea. 👊👍

  • @Lands_Solo
    @Lands_Solo 5 месяцев назад +3

    Trangia all day long for me, they're bomb proof, I find the x boil types don't work as well as yours did and soot up the bottom of pans and mess tins much worse (using meths) whereas the Trangia doesn't seem to. I also think if you trod on the X-boil type by accident you could render it unusable. On multi day hikes I'll take robustness and reliability over anything else, and that's where the Trangia reigns supreme.

  • @yawkuanhon9730
    @yawkuanhon9730 5 месяцев назад +1

    May I know what kind of "alcohol" you use/fill-up for any of these alcohol Stove?

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  4 месяца назад

      Methylated Spirit, brand name Bartoline

  • @rickslick6430
    @rickslick6430 10 месяцев назад +1

    I can't find that cross stand. Any links?

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  10 месяцев назад +1

      It's actually the normal stand you get and I cut off the end to make smaller. Link here 🔗 amzn.to/3OAyM2b

    • @rickslick6430
      @rickslick6430 10 месяцев назад

      Thank you for sharing the life hack. I bought the BSR cause of your video. Cheers from Nevada USA

  • @brewski3217
    @brewski3217 Год назад +1

    Nice comparison but incomplete. Try this same test and include the Goshawk Era burner, give folks a chance to see the future of spirit burners.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Very true. I got the Goshawk after this test was done but yes.. it's something that is on my mind. Thanks for the idea. 👊🙌

  • @sahhull
    @sahhull Год назад +1

    Amongst my collection of alcohol stoves.
    Lixida is the worse. It never primes. If I add even the max amount of fuel. It only burns in the centre.
    It will still boil water, it just doesn't work as it should.
    I've got a really old steel alcohol stove from PAC. That blooms in 10 secs. It's a heavy little beastie.
    I've also got a tomshoo titanium stove that's also an awesome bit of kit. It has internal jets so burns alcohol like a woodgas stove

  • @carlpolen7437
    @carlpolen7437 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good video thanks.

  • @ernieschatz3783
    @ernieschatz3783 Год назад +1

    Very comprehensive testing. I have a Trangia knickoff, but may well pick up the real thing after seeing this. The prime time is vastly different.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Yes I was shocked by how fast it primed. It's worth buying. 🙂

  • @rthompson884
    @rthompson884 10 месяцев назад

    I use the trangia for the most part for quick trips.

  • @Tassie-Devil
    @Tassie-Devil 5 месяцев назад +1

    It wasn't clear (to me at least) if, when you added prime to boil times... if the water had been on top of the flame from the lighting.
    If not - it's not a fair test, imho.
    Any flame is still going to be giving off heat, which will be raising the temperature of the water toward boiling, even though the burner hasn't (strictly speaking) primed yet.
    Also, the pot on top of the flame will accelerate prime time by reflecting some heat back on the burner.
    So for me, a few extra grams in a good burner is inconsequential. Neither is time taken as a stand-alone. All that would matter for me is total fuel taken to boil my cup of water, because I am carting that fuel from home - the weight of which will be far greater than a steel/ brass/ whatever burner.
    For home use in a SHTF situation (let's say that petrol and propane unavailable)... then my home stash of methanol is going to have to supply all my cooking needs for an indeterminate time period. Any cooker that makes that fuel work hard... gets my vote. Time taken doesn't matter much, and priming is not a big deal either.

  • @xenaguy01
    @xenaguy01 Год назад +1

    You have what must be the quickest-priming Trangia burner ever made. Seriously, I've seen many videos where a Trangia burner took 90 seconds to prime.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      I was surprised myself. Priming takes ages with some stoves.

  • @thomasboulin3775
    @thomasboulin3775 Год назад +2

    VERY GOOD JOB

  • @questions6746
    @questions6746 Год назад +1

    There is a direct correlation between fuel burn rate, boil time, and runout time in every test comparison. Ie slower burn, longer boil time, longer runout time....

  • @quinntheeskimooutdoors6234
    @quinntheeskimooutdoors6234 11 месяцев назад +1

    😮😊good interesting test thanks

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  11 месяцев назад +1

      Cheers Quinn. Just gave you a sub as well. Looking forward to checking out your channel 😉

  • @peterdd4994
    @peterdd4994 Год назад +1

    No Evernew stove? The thing about the Trangia, is made from brass - dont underestimate the thermal effects of brass. My personal experience with the Esbit stove has been better than yours, maybe a high ambient temperatures?

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Hey Peter. Thanks for the comment pal. Ambient temperature will always add to the results. Plus water temperature also will determine results. Interesting test thou. I have a few more tests on the way. Thanks for the comment. 🙌 Appreciate it 👍

  • @bcamping1
    @bcamping1 Год назад +1

    I am suprised that the double heat exchanger thing worked.

  • @patriceb26
    @patriceb26 Год назад +1

    Bonjour so which one is the best ?

  • @timmo971
    @timmo971 5 месяцев назад +1

    They don’t all come with the same stand though hey?! Testing them with the supplied support I think is the most comprehensive approach. Otherwise you’re accepting that the consumer must mix n match, buy several setups and experiment as well.

  • @robertwebb5586
    @robertwebb5586 10 месяцев назад

    I tried most of them but I favor the Trangia..you can not beat it..

  • @smoklares9791
    @smoklares9791 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can you burn such stoves at home? Nothing is released?

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  11 месяцев назад

      With enjoy airflow I wouldn't have an issue with it.

  • @vapoukvapouk9228
    @vapoukvapouk9228 Год назад

    I've made my own pill bottle stove. Just 2 pills 4.8cm diameter, 2.5cm height. Really small amount of alcohol and it boils 350ml of water in simple titanium pot definitivelly under 5 mins in indoor conditions. Much harder outside though.

  • @viarnay
    @viarnay Год назад +2

    I recently bought the boundless titanium spirit high just for making coffe at home and I can confirm it takes a little long to prime but I spill a little fuel out to make it get hotter faster and works fine to me..

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Thanks for sharing your experience with the Boundless Titanium Spirit High! It's great to hear that it's working well for your coffee-making needs at home. Your tip about spilling a bit of fuel to help with priming is a clever workaround to speed up the process. Sometimes a little tweak can make all the difference. If you ever want to chat more about gear or share more tips, feel free to reach out. Here's to perfect cups of coffee and enjoyable home brewing! ☕🏡🔥

  • @orandoyle
    @orandoyle Год назад +1

    I just watched that entire video and I don't even plan to buy an alcohol stove - just happy to geek out too 🙃

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      I hear you Oran. Geek stuff rocks. 😂

  • @georgius78
    @georgius78 Год назад +1

    Best video ever !!!

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад +1

      Appreciate that pal 👍👍

  • @lethalmizzle
    @lethalmizzle Год назад +1

    Do you actually wait for a stove to prime before you add the pot? I don’t, why waste the fuel.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      Not usually. But for the test I wanted to check the output. I should have done both tests. But I agree with you. I put it on straight away 🙂

    • @lethalmizzle
      @lethalmizzle Год назад

      @@soletrail 👍🏻

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      @@lethalmizzle by the way .. sub from me pal

    • @lethalmizzle
      @lethalmizzle Год назад +1

      @@soletrail Same. I have a Trangia winter mod video you may be interested in.

  • @massa6784
    @massa6784 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @nialloutdoors
    @nialloutdoors Год назад +1

    Bloody hell Martin! You have a serious alcohol problem 🤣 You also have *way* too much time on your hands 🤣🤣🤣
    Interesting video and results though. I have a similar stove to the XBoil from Speedster stoves in the UK. Used it this morning in the woods but without a windshield and it really struggled. Definitely Trangia for me for cooking at least and reserving the little one for tea making duties on shorter walks when time isn't an issue 👍

  • @JakePlisskin12
    @JakePlisskin12 Год назад +2

    I would say that is around the acceptable amount of alcoholic mini stoves a person can have before it starts to get wired. My mom has over 5 hundred beany baby's, that's weird like what do you even do with benie baby's. Look at them.... well I guess you might be able to light on fire for emergency warmth. Or stuff you coat for extra warmth. I still talk to her though.

    • @soletrail
      @soletrail  Год назад

      We could call the stove "The Beanie Burner" 😁

  • @sionhughes4445
    @sionhughes4445 4 месяца назад

    I really wanted to see the competition win out but after watching this it's trangia all the way!
    I can put up with a few extra grams for the quality and efficiency, plus I don't want to buy a load more stoves 😅

  • @MADHIKER777
    @MADHIKER777 11 месяцев назад

    I would rank the "Burn Time" test results in reverse order than in the vise. The longer it takes to deplete 30g of fuel, the more efficient the stove is. The X-Boil boil time of 6 minutes is more than respectable.