aww man, you have to listen to the Joy Division album Unknown Pleasures man. That album is so fucking influential and so damn good. The next one was that amazing though good, but Unknown Pleasures and the first track especially just grab you
I love you Finn, but even tho Imma cool guy I'm not Hip enough for the Gram 😆 just hip to the fact my Brother...which is you're one of my favorite RUclipsrs of ALL TIME ! One Love Bruv ❤✌💜💯💯💯🖤♠
@@huggiedistance I mean, even beyond that, before his bizarre politics became obvious, the guy was a huge asshole. Really strong songwriter, really unpleasant man. That said, Johnny Marr seems very chill.
@@emanuelthecreator6164 welcome, it really was a sincere compliment , btw, gonna link ya the vid from which I got that phrase. If you’ve yet to see this video, you so owe it to yourself. It’s comedy gold.
Right? Lucky us. Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to inform Fall Out Boy, Boys like Girls, All Time Low or any of the other countless pop punk bands that released a song about leaving their crappy town before 2010.
ADTR 2011: I hate this town, it's so washed up ADTR 2013: Woaaaah This Is Where I Came From! This is what made us who we became! They know me not just my name, There's not another place the same
You think Aaron Lewis copied him? Their first 2 albums didn’t sound like him yarling or Eddie. I guess happened right after “outside” live changed him to a yarling yoddler lol I like Aaron Lewis voice n Staind, especially first 2 albums.
@@ICLight412 no one shall ever diss Aaron Lewis' perfect voice. That man is a legend. And has damn near one of the most powerful voices in his own respect.
I love yarling vocals. I found out about Pearl Jam very late, but back in 5th grade Creed and bands with that sound were my gateway into a different world of music and began my love for rock. It’s all very nostalgic now. Plus, yarling vocals is the easiest for me to replicate with myself so I have a massive soft spot for it.
lol, you're probably not gonna make many friends with that eddie vedder bit. i agree that vedder is responsible for yarling and that yarling post-grunge bands are bland, but vedder before them actually pulled it off pretty well, just unfortunate so many others figured out they could water down pearl jam's music and score radio hits with it.
Eddie is in a very small club of singers who could pull that off, and since he was kinda OG with it (I know I know tom petty was doing it first yadda yadda), but he certainly made it famous.
Yeah I agree man, I think he pulled it off. Vs. or Ten are probably some of my favorite Albums of all time! I also don't mind Creed or Staind as-much anymore (don't really care for Aaron Lewis).
Props to you Finn for giving Lord Infamous a shout-out. SO MANY people have no clue who he even was but dude was SUPER influential in hip-hop. He started not only that triple style flow but even some of the aesthetics (darkness) and shit with the whole scarecrow thing. I highly recommend checking out his solo stuff. It's dark, dirty and hardcore as hell. He basically helped but horrorcore on the map. REST IN PEACE SCARECROW OG! And kids - stay off lean and drugs in general ! They are not cool, even if your favorite rapper or band(s) talk about them.
The frustrating thing about him to me is you can hear he has a powerful voice and can do whatever he wants with it but he kinda stays one dimensional most of the time.
@@CrustieDick18 THANK YOU, vitilogy was "ok" but that's it, personally i leaned WAY more to Soundgarden(before they broke up the first time in 97) and "Layne era" Alice In Chains
@@tomgreenfanlol ok bud, if you heard badmotorfinger and superunknown you wouldn't be saying that, and if you've heard them all then that's your opinion, and hey, opinions are free and non-conformative, more power to you if that's your taste
Celtic Frost isn't really copied. Bands that took their guitar tone and vocal approach just created a subgenre. It's not ripping off. It's just driving influence from a band. Cause none of black metal or death metal bands sounds exactly like Celtic Frost. The closest ones are Darkthrone and Obituary and that's all.
I saw an interview where Brendan Murphy was insulted that people said they were ripping off Architects, because “we’ve been ripping off Misery Signals for 10 years” lol
See also people accusing Colin Meloy of The Decemberists of imitating Jeff Mangum from Neutral Milk Hotel only for him to say point blank that he's been doing a Michael Stipe impression for years and no-one noticed because his voice just sounds like that.
Literally every song title on Fushitsusha's I Saw It! That Which Before I Could Only Sense..., the title track of which is the longest song they ever recorded but not the longest in title. That said, a lot of their song and album titles are literally taken from lines in archaic English and Japanese poetry, if I'm not mistaken, so it's almost cheating? Ditto stuff like the titles Dominick Fernow puts on the tracks from his Exploring Jezebel albums; serious NSFW warning if you search those, by the way, both image-wise and text-wise.
Curious why you'd say ADTR made up the "leave this town" trend, then show a clip from "Ocean Avenue" by Yellowcard which came out a whole 8 years prior? Seems like it would be the other way round.
@@dbgrfdg I mean sure but it just seems weird to point to a moment in time to say "here is where something started" and then show an example a full 8 years before the trend started... doesn't that seem odd?
The "D-beat" band playing at the end in the background is my band. And the name is Romantiker (The Romantic). Not anything with "Dis". We have not copied Discharge either other than using d-beat. It's noise punk. Heavely distorted Scandinavian hardcore punk from Sweden. Feel free to look it up 👍🏻
Your fake story about poking dudes in the chest while wearing a Pantera shirt and saying "are you talking to me?" Is is kind of legendary story that inspires courage in the younger generation. Young hardcore kid: "Wow... then what did you say?" Finn solemnly: "no way punk" Hardcore kid: 😲
Does the pp in small pp energy stand for post punk? I’m kidding but seriously that might be one of the weirdest ways to criticize a band. What does it even mean? Its not macho enough?
I get the impression that he's never heard any of the tracks from the "An Ideal For Living" EP, or "Ice Age", "Dead Souls", "New Dawn Fades", "Something Must Break", or "Twenty Four Hours".
He did say it’s not his scene, so he doesn’t know it. Agreed though, one of the weirdest things to say about a band that plenty of heavy metal musicians appreciate.
drowningman - the band that would agree to play literally any show offered to them and never show up. was this schtick performance art? or were they the most unreliable band in history? to this day, i still don't know.
And when they did show up, they were two hours late and Simon was usually trashed.. but the shows were always a great time. I remember seeing them at The Chance in Poughkeepsie NY. Drove like 2 and a half hours to see them. They showed up so late that they could only play for fifteen minutes. Simon was walking around finishing off spent drinks that were scattered around.. accidentally drank one that had an ashed out cigarette in it in mid song, but kept going. Good times
I always wondered why they never came around the Philly area. Guess the promoters knew better. Shame, they were a really awesome band. Really underrated.
@@terminaldeity they didn’t venture out of New England all that much. Being from all the way up in Burlington VT. They usually were in the Boston area or upstate NY. There was one tour they did with Cave In and tDEP that was easily one of the best shows I’ve ever seen.
I’m here to support Eddie Vedder. He owned his style and everyone else was just a bad copy cat. Also, I don’t get all these Discharge copy cats. You can’t do Discharge better than Discharge, they were too epic. Anyway, I love these series 💜✨ Keep em coming.
It's not Vedder's and Staley's fault that their vocal styles got copied to death. Just like it wasn't Eddie van Halen's fault that a million guitarists in shitty "hair metal" bands did bad imitations of his solos in the 80s until people were so sick and tired of them that they either turned to guitarists that copied late 60s/70s players or started to listen to bands that made it a point to have no guitar solos whatsoever.
Super interesting. Thanks for making this. Back when I was in local bands, the promoters would always encourage us to sound more like the popular bands from the area, and bands that would draw consistent numbers. Maybe there’s a lot of that within each scene and it’s partially contributing to the band/sound cloning? Cool to see you’re a huge Pantera fan as well! 🙏🍓🤘
New order was once asked, in an interview, who the laziest member of the band was, and Peter Hook answered, deadpan, " Ian Curtis, he hasn't done anything in years." Edit to correct spelling
This is true. It's the way he speaks and sings. It's natural to him. That's probably why I love his voice but hate the imitators because nothing is worse than a fake voice.
Did anyone else get super into a band, because they watched a video of Finn making fun of them? LOL It's happened to me. I won't specify which band tho
I love watching these videos because I always leave with bands that I’ve never heard of but start to love. So many discoveries and I appreciate all the research and work that goes into these
Memphis hip-hop has a weird number of parallels with Scandinavian second-wave black metal, honestly. Like, no rumours of cannibalism or fascists that I know of, but people living tough lives and dying tragically, the fascination with the occult and extreme violence as a lyrical theme, the minimal no-fi composition/production approach, the spooky bullshit surrounding the artists and releases online-it's very kvlt indeed.
@@TheJoEy9090 I mean, they were originally called triple six, the old heads still call them that. Numerous references to it in their early works, Boo used to call herself the devil's daughter. Idk if they really were or not, but they certainly played the part...RIP Infamous and Koop!
Somebody needs to do a phonk album that extensively samples C-list glam/sleaze-metal bands and somehow makes it work with the necro Memphis-by-way-of-Stockholm vibes.
The heavy use of triplet based phrasing was also characteristic of the blues. It completely makes sense that it eventually found it's way into hip hop. Interesting stuff.
@@goliathconner5078 every delta blues song ever, basically. The double stop bend triplet is maybe the simgle most common guitar phrase in the blues. I wish I could play it for you. If I did, you would say "that's every blues song ever played." Eric clapton's solo on the accoustic version of Layla is riddled with Robert Johnson style triplets. That's a good modern one that's easy to find. I can find more, but once you hear that solo, you'll hear them everywhere.
@DansWarped likewise, I got sick of classic pop punk and how unrelatable it became. The Story So Far changed the way I viewed pop punk, with heavier riffs and emotional lyrics etc. To this day they’re one of my favourite bands and what reignited my love for the genre
They both deserve some credit for the flow but I do think that the Three Six "sound" slower dark hazy beats along with the flow also influenced a lot of current rappers and specifically the ones he listed sounded similar sonically and with their flow
Slayer’s Read Between the Lies has the ultimate metallic hardcore riff. You could honestly go back and trace a bunch of bands to that one single riff lol
I appreciate the acknowledgment of Misery Signals. They don’t get enough credit for their influence. For the Fallen Dreams, Counterparts, The Ghost Inside and a ton of others borrowed heavily from their sound. Mis Sigs is super underrated even if their sound isn’t your favorite you can’t deny that they contributed a ton to metalcore/post hardcore. Though they never got super commercially successful, they have a super passionate fanbase that hold them in very high regard. Definitely need more love for Misery Signals on youtube!
I’d be down for another episode. A couple of ideas ... that funk rock scene in the late 80s and also that terrible “California reggae” that blew up after Sublime.
You're not referring to 311 or Slightly Stoopid tho? Because those bands are sick. Some other ones like Pepper or Dirty Heads... Yeah, pretty bad. And the late 80s funk rock scene... That is my shit right there.
fun fact: every time i die confirmed in some reddit ama that their name comes from misheard lyrics in drowningmans "busy signal at the suicide hotline"
@@austins88 i thought so too for quite a while. but I dug up the AMA and here's what jordan wrote: "here it is. the real story. prepare to be disappointed. there was a great band called Drowningman that was around when the band started. we were listening to them in a car on the way to a show probably and one of the lyrics was "...every time i dial" and Ratboy said "Every Time I Die, that would be a cool name for the band if it wasn't a lyric already" and someone said "it's not, he says dial not die". we were 16. the word die was cool. we kept it. SORRY!"
I get a lot of shit for this statement but I always say Motley Crue was my generations Led Zeppelin. Everything Crue did everyone else did 4 months later.
I forget if they were mentioned in the last one, but At The Gates riffs basically created early 2000’s metalcore as you’ve mentioned before. Killswitch Engage mentioned that Slaughter of the Soul was their biggest influence and then everyone ripped off Killswitch lol. But I was dying at the HM-2 pedal part, that was gold!
Coma Eternal, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Nehemiah, As Hope Dies, and Endthisday were some of the best of the At The Gates copies that are mostly unknown. Although I’d say 7A7P kind of fused that with Cave In’s sound.
yeah i didn't think he quite dug deep enough for his claims about zany song titles and hometowns, definitely heard a lot of early emo/hardcore punk delve into that.
I'd credit The Locust with being an earlier example and possible influence of the long zany song titles. That became their thing by the late 90s. "Stucco Obelisks Labelled as Trees" "How to Build a Pessimistic Lie Detector"
I mean, that's probably one of the earlier examples in punk-adjacent music, but it does have a different tenor from how the hardcore and later scene bands approached it.
The Locust or Anal Cunt were the 2 bands in the 90s that I knew of that had those long weird titles. I'd agree that DrowningMan probably didn't pioneer it
@@ryshort7255 I was about to post this, but you beat me to it. Definitely Agoraphobic Nosebleed and Pig Destroyer too. I think it kinda built off of what grindcore bands in the late 80's and early 90s were doing with longer and more humerous song titles like Carcass and Napalm Death.
Math Rock has a lot of long and odd song titles too. For Example: "Let's Face It Pal, You Didn't Need That Eye Surgery" by Don Caballero "What's Bart Simpson Doing on the Freeway? Kickflip." by PlanesWalker "I Am S/H(im)e[r] As You Am S/H(im)e[r] As You Are Me And We Am I And I Are All Our Together: Our Collective Consciousness' Psychogenic Fugue" by Giraffes? Giraffes!
Totally right about the “chainsaw” guitar tone, my buddy and I were just talking about this the other day, a lot of bands still do that! Fuming mouth, creeping death. Gatecreeper definitely does it the best! That new album is 👌🏾 Also Nails is still an amazing band, crazy to think unsilent death just had its 10 year anniversary!
Most 80's "latin rock" bands are basically Joy Division ripoffs, yet they tricked a lot of people into thinking they were original (lyrics are more important than the actual music apparently)
@@AportesKike yeah, and that's cool (even great), but a lot of (if not most) people act like they were this revolutionary unique sound when in reality they were just post-punk bands
Motely Crue is not original. They are Van Halen meets Kiss. Their copies are just copies of a copy.. three 6 Mafia is not that influential. The triplet flow is from Chicago rapper Twista. .. the real most copied rap group is NWA by far.
A lot of the late 90's hardcore/metalcore bands on the east coast, used to reference carcass as well. I've always thought of them as one of the first bridges from Slayer to 90's riffing.
Let's not forget that Motley Crue was already copying another band with their style, which was Hanoi Rocks... without them the Hair Scene probably wouldn't have been the same
You fool. Kid Rock must exist. Once the current Kid transcends the flesh of this world another will take his place. Machine Gun Kelly is already 1/4th of the way there.
I actually hear a lot of the “entombedcore” thing in 90’s hardcore. Like Next Step Up’s album “Fall From Grace” has practically identical guitar tones And spot on with the Discharge bit, I can’t tell you how many bands I love that sound just like them. Another band I think gets copied a lot there is GBH
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I think Type o negative were the first band to have Long titles in their songs like for example: "Unsuccesfully Copying with the natural beauty of infifelity"
Bands have had long song titles forever, The Orb put out "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld" in 1989. It's more about where did the scene bands get that trend from and I doubt it came from TON (one of my favorite bands, btw).
Ever heard a little ditty called "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" by The Beatles? Not long enough? They also had "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey". How about a little bit of Pink Floyd with "Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict" from 1969? "Pict" is short for "Australopithecus" because they didn't want to take up too much space on the "Ummagumma" LP cover... Yeah... I'm afraid Typ O weren't the first band to do _anything_ , as great as they were.
I couldn’t but notice that the “drowning man” text & album cover look awfully similar to the early album covers of “Poison the well” Coincidence? Or copycat??
The long song titles thing came into scene music via skramz and sass bands in the mid-late 90's. The Locust is the obvious one but stuff like Angel Hair's "You Were Ugly But You Got Cute Again" deserves some recognition, as well as parallel things in math rock and straight forward emo as well.
You should have slipped Venom in there, and Power Metal is huge everywhere but the US and theres many bands who fuse thrash and power metal together, but the best was Jag Panzer
The “Eddie Vedder isn’t a good vocalist” take… I point you into the direction of the MTV Unplugged when Pearl Jam performed Black… Top 3 Unplugged performance of a song
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aww man, you have to listen to the Joy Division album Unknown Pleasures man. That album is so fucking influential and so damn good. The next one was that amazing though good, but Unknown Pleasures and the first track especially just grab you
I love you Finn, but even tho Imma cool guy I'm not Hip enough for the Gram 😆 just hip to the fact my Brother...which is you're one of my favorite RUclipsrs of ALL TIME ! One Love Bruv ❤✌💜💯💯💯🖤♠
The Smiths started the whole hating on your hometown thing, but Morrissey doesn't have any friends
seriously tho. His own band fucking hated him 😆🤘
@@iiGODLYWARRIOR small price to pay, he’s got some of the most diehard fans worldwide
I wouldn’t say I hate my hometown but I hate certain areas of it due to memories it brings back ya know?
Honestly, who would want to be friends with him? His music may be good, but he's a total fascist.
@@huggiedistance I mean, even beyond that, before his bizarre politics became obvious, the guy was a huge asshole. Really strong songwriter, really unpleasant man. That said, Johnny Marr seems very chill.
Last time I was this early, everyone copied Asking Alexandria instead of Architecs
Nice recycle!
@@briankerrigan3529 thanks dude, appreciate it!
@@emanuelthecreator6164 welcome, it really was a sincere compliment , btw, gonna link ya the vid from which I got that phrase. If you’ve yet to see this video, you so owe it to yourself. It’s comedy gold.
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It's insane how Yellowcard used their psychic powers to rip off a song that was written in 2011 when they wrote their 2003 hit Ocean Avenue.
Right? Lucky us. Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to inform Fall Out Boy, Boys like Girls, All Time Low or any of the other countless pop punk bands that released a song about leaving their crappy town before 2010.
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@DansWarped one is never good enough!
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That DJ Paul and Lord Infamous flow sounds so similar to ASAP Ferg “Shabba” damn
I mean the ASAP Mob members are basically southern rappers that just so happened to be from NY
Ferg is very up front about his influences with multiple references in most of his tracks.
Alot of people think he is from Memphis.
I thought A$AP Nast’s verse on Yamborghini High was Juicy J for the longest time until I realised Juicy J only did ad libs for the song
They r very up front about their love for three 6
You are so right about Slayer and metalcore. I feel like i never hear that connection talked about enough!
Metalcore loves slayer and pantera :p
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I feel when metalcore exploded it went in two ways, influenced by Slayer and influenced by At The Gates. Rest is history.
@@_serpentnailed it
ADTR 2011: I hate this town, it's so washed up
ADTR 2013: Woaaaah This Is Where I Came From! This is what made us who we became! They know me not just my name, There's not another place the same
They became soooo successful within 2 years that they changed their mind from hating their hometown to grateful they ever started the band there
@@aliaulman To be fair, their albums just flip/flop between love/hate of their hometown.
in 2010 they were shitting on lauderdale, and in 2013 they were praising ocala
To be fair most Floridians (including myself) have a love/hate relationship with FL. So yea lol 🤷🏻♀️
Combine the two and you'd have some pop-punk mirror universe version of Rammstein's "Deutschland".
“Djenting about being in their feelings...”
Laughing out loud.
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Eddie Vedder, has a great voice. It's just that everyone copies him and it got old quickly...
You think Aaron Lewis copied him? Their first 2 albums didn’t sound like him yarling or Eddie. I guess happened right after “outside” live changed him to a yarling yoddler lol I like Aaron Lewis voice n Staind, especially first 2 albums.
@@ICLight412 i thought thr Aaron Lewis comparison in the video was off. But I get what they're getting at about Eddie being ripped off in the late 90s
@@ICLight412 also. Are you counting Tormented as the first of their first 2 albums from them? Hehe
@@ICLight412 no one shall ever diss Aaron Lewis' perfect voice. That man is a legend. And has damn near one of the most powerful voices in his own respect.
@@doomusrlc yes I’m counting “tormented” that’s their 1sr ;)
I love yarling vocals. I found out about Pearl Jam very late, but back in 5th grade Creed and bands with that sound were my gateway into a different world of music and began my love for rock. It’s all very nostalgic now. Plus, yarling vocals is the easiest for me to replicate with myself so I have a massive soft spot for it.
Here to defend Vedder's vocals, especially on PJ's "Ten".
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I think he was the only good Yarl-er (Yarl-er? Would that be how to say it? Maybe Yarl-ist? 😆)
@Luke haha fair enough. Much less yarling. Although my wife is highly irritated by Corgan's nasally voice lol, I love it.
Nothing wrong with ten. Yellow Ledbetter is the one that has a problem.
Yellow Ledbetter is the best unintelligible song ever written, prove me wrong.
Joy Division is Post Punk.
I always saw them as indie new wave.
@@briankerrigan3529 why not Jazzy Indie?
I have a feeling this comment was authored before the 15:35 mark.
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@@thatbitchashley828 Could be, but I’ll stick to my story.
lol, you're probably not gonna make many friends with that eddie vedder bit. i agree that vedder is responsible for yarling and that yarling post-grunge bands are bland, but vedder before them actually pulled it off pretty well, just unfortunate so many others figured out they could water down pearl jam's music and score radio hits with it.
Pearl Jam is the only band with that style of vocals that I like (although I'm softening on Creed) I still prefer Mother Love Bone though
Eddie is in a very small club of singers who could pull that off, and since he was kinda OG with it (I know I know tom petty was doing it first yadda yadda), but he certainly made it famous.
Yeah I agree man, I think he pulled it off. Vs. or Ten are probably some of my favorite Albums of all time! I also don't mind Creed or Staind as-much anymore (don't really care for Aaron Lewis).
I fucking hate those vocals so much and any band that uses them are an instant shit band to me
@@AlexGreat321 I agree but we diverge at Creed. I can not stand Stapp's singing. It's like everyone's really bad eddie vedder impression.
Props to you Finn for giving Lord Infamous a shout-out. SO MANY people have no clue who he even was but dude was SUPER influential in hip-hop. He started not only that triple style flow but even some of the aesthetics (darkness) and shit with the whole scarecrow thing. I highly recommend checking out his solo stuff. It's dark, dirty and hardcore as hell. He basically helped but horrorcore on the map.
REST IN PEACE SCARECROW OG! And kids - stay off lean and drugs in general ! They are not cool, even if your favorite rapper or band(s) talk about them.
This. I’m a huge three six fan. It’s nice to see project pat getting some recognition lately too. I love the patstah.
Saying Eddie Vedder's vocals aren't good would be hard to convince anyone of with how many vocal coaches praise the man as a legend
Yeah that yodel shit is what people don’t like, not his actual singing voice.
The frustrating thing about him to me is you can hear he has a powerful voice and can do whatever he wants with it but he kinda stays one dimensional most of the time.
@@CrustieDick18 THANK YOU, vitilogy was "ok" but that's it, personally i leaned WAY more to Soundgarden(before they broke up the first time in 97) and "Layne era" Alice In Chains
@@stanbolkowy166 tens better than sound garden!!!!
@@tomgreenfanlol ok bud, if you heard badmotorfinger and superunknown you wouldn't be saying that, and if you've heard them all then that's your opinion, and hey, opinions are free and non-conformative, more power to you if that's your taste
Celtic Frost is the band everybody forgets
The Celtic Frost guitar tone was ripped off big time.
Who?
@@The_Other_Ghost Celtic Frost from Switzerland.🤣
Ratt pedal
Celtic Frost isn't really copied. Bands that took their guitar tone and vocal approach just created a subgenre. It's not ripping off. It's just driving influence from a band. Cause none of black metal or death metal bands sounds exactly like Celtic Frost. The closest ones are Darkthrone and Obituary and that's all.
I saw an interview where Brendan Murphy was insulted that people said they were ripping off Architects, because “we’ve been ripping off Misery Signals for 10 years” lol
I was totally down for the blatant misery signals influence. Interpretation is the sincerest form of flattery
That dude is not only a great vocalist but he’s also hilarious I tell ya
See also people accusing Colin Meloy of The Decemberists of imitating Jeff Mangum from Neutral Milk Hotel only for him to say point blank that he's been doing a Michael Stipe impression for years and no-one noticed because his voice just sounds like that.
I follow him on Twitter and he's for sure funny reading his tweets is usually hilarious
i love how open they are about how similar they sound to misery signals. but i think theyve been kinda making their own sound along the way.
In some alternate universe Finn discovers Joy Division at 15 instead Snapcase.... hurts to think what could have been.
he would have been part of the early 2000’s Brit pop mod scene lol
That would be a very interesting timeline. But hey, I discovered JD at thirteen and I'm here, so…?
@@ConvincingPeople as a 13 year old post punk fan i gotta say i like both
He could’ve liked indie.. lol
Snapcase, tight/amazing band, annoying vocals, but I had all their albums!
I think my favourite weird song name is “Dragging Dead Bodies In Blue Bags Up Really Long Hills” by Escape The Fate aha
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Ahh yes!! I love that song
You should look up the band Pound. All of their song names are wild haha
@@brandonbrooks779 Ight bet lmao
Literally every song title on Fushitsusha's I Saw It! That Which Before I Could Only Sense..., the title track of which is the longest song they ever recorded but not the longest in title. That said, a lot of their song and album titles are literally taken from lines in archaic English and Japanese poetry, if I'm not mistaken, so it's almost cheating? Ditto stuff like the titles Dominick Fernow puts on the tracks from his Exploring Jezebel albums; serious NSFW warning if you search those, by the way, both image-wise and text-wise.
okay wait though. Superheaven actually did the yarling and it really grew on me.
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"It's Not A Side Effect Of The Cocaine, I'm Thinking That It Must Be Love" is a lyric from the David Bowie song Station To Station
Curious why you'd say ADTR made up the "leave this town" trend, then show a clip from "Ocean Avenue" by Yellowcard which came out a whole 8 years prior? Seems like it would be the other way round.
there will always be someone else who was first.. but it's all about the guys that really get the trend going
@@dbgrfdg I mean sure but it just seems weird to point to a moment in time to say "here is where something started" and then show an example a full 8 years before the trend started... doesn't that seem odd?
"Ocean Avenue" always seemed (superficially, maybe) like an ode to their hometown/youth, rather than a "we're too cool for you guys" vibe.
@@mista414 this and Ryan Key was also singing about a love interest instead of hating his hometown or how awesome his friends are.
And the other two clips he showed (Great Escape & Skyway Avenue) were both also from before ADTR made the trend
The "D-beat" band playing at the end in the background is my band. And the name is Romantiker (The Romantic). Not anything with "Dis". We have not copied Discharge either other than using d-beat.
It's noise punk. Heavely distorted Scandinavian hardcore punk from Sweden. Feel free to look it up 👍🏻
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Well now you kinda gotta change your band name to "Disromantiker".
@@FilthTribeFTP *cue a string of laughing cat emojis*
Your demo rips! Like a long-lost Frigora EP
Your fake story about poking dudes in the chest while wearing a Pantera shirt and saying "are you talking to me?" Is is kind of legendary story that inspires courage in the younger generation.
Young hardcore kid: "Wow... then what did you say?"
Finn solemnly: "no way punk"
Hardcore kid: 😲
Then I did a dive bomb and confirmed I was walking away
Does the pp in small pp energy stand for post punk?
I’m kidding but seriously that might be one of the weirdest ways to criticize a band. What does it even mean? Its not macho enough?
I get the impression that he's never heard any of the tracks from the "An Ideal For Living" EP, or "Ice Age", "Dead Souls", "New Dawn Fades", "Something Must Break", or "Twenty Four Hours".
He did say it’s not his scene, so he doesn’t know it. Agreed though, one of the weirdest things to say about a band that plenty of heavy metal musicians appreciate.
Never knew it was called "yarling" thats hilarious. But some sounds ok no?
'It's not the side effects of the cocaine, I'm thinking that it must be love' is a lyric from STATION TO STATION by DAVID BOWIE.
it's too late to be hateful...
@@nicholasromig5506 too late to be late again
@@cristidragomir6116 amazing song
drowningman - the band that would agree to play literally any show offered to them and never show up. was this schtick performance art? or were they the most unreliable band in history? to this day, i still don't know.
And when they did show up, they were two hours late and Simon was usually trashed.. but the shows were always a great time. I remember seeing them at The Chance in Poughkeepsie NY. Drove like 2 and a half hours to see them. They showed up so late that they could only play for fifteen minutes. Simon was walking around finishing off spent drinks that were scattered around.. accidentally drank one that had an ashed out cigarette in it in mid song, but kept going. Good times
I always wondered why they never came around the Philly area. Guess the promoters knew better. Shame, they were a really awesome band. Really underrated.
@@terminaldeity they didn’t venture out of New England all that much. Being from all the way up in Burlington VT. They usually were in the Boston area or upstate NY. There was one tour they did with Cave In and tDEP that was easily one of the best shows I’ve ever seen.
They took a page out of Sly Stone's book...
Norma jeans first album is one of the most brutal and best album they made IMO
The music that's not for everyone.
Maybe vocally but I just prefer their instrumental palate now when they write heavy riffs
I've always thought of Norma Jean as just Converge clones. Very competent Converge clones, but Converge clones nonetheless
@@princealigorna7468 I'd say more Botch influenced but either way converge are the goats of metalcore
Bless the Martyr Kiss the Child is definitely their best album.
I’m here to support Eddie Vedder. He owned his style and everyone else was just a bad copy cat. Also, I don’t get all these Discharge copy cats. You can’t do Discharge better than Discharge, they were too epic. Anyway, I love these series 💜✨ Keep em coming.
It's not Vedder's and Staley's fault that their vocal styles got copied to death. Just like it wasn't Eddie van Halen's fault that a million guitarists in shitty "hair metal" bands did bad imitations of his solos in the 80s until people were so sick and tired of them that they either turned to guitarists that copied late 60s/70s players or started to listen to bands that made it a point to have no guitar solos whatsoever.
Super interesting. Thanks for making this. Back when I was in local bands, the promoters would always encourage us to sound more like the popular bands from the area, and bands that would draw consistent numbers. Maybe there’s a lot of that within each scene and it’s partially contributing to the band/sound cloning? Cool to see you’re a huge Pantera fan as well! 🙏🍓🤘
New Order totally copied Joy Division, they even almost got the same members!
The most fucked up part is that New Order got famous for it, but at least they kind of changed their sound a lit bit.
I might be dumb and don’t get that this is a joke but please tell me that it is
New order was once asked, in an interview, who the laziest member of the band was, and Peter Hook answered, deadpan, " Ian Curtis, he hasn't done anything in years."
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Lil Ugly Mane - Mista Thug Isolation was the best release from the "Phonk" era
one of the best hip hop albums ever tbh
And second place isn't even close
Thanks. I've put "Manic Drug Dealer III" instantly into my playlist. Exactly the type of fast, grimy Memphis rap I love.
As HUGE Joy Division fan, that intro fucking busted my balls.
he says there's too much "small pp energy" around Joy Division in another video..sorry man 😬
@@zombiegunner3arc82 oh I know. I remember he's said that.
"Then I get this super fat tone"
*plays the most saturated and indistinguishable guitar tone"
that's the perfect way to describe the Swedish Chainsaw
"Yuh musta turna all ze controls on ze Boss Hoa Emm Tvoah to ze max, ya?"
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Haha I know, he's like "zen I gets the angelic soundz..." **AM radio static**
Counterparts frontman Brendan even says himself they’re a carbon copy of misery signals, he’s funny asf
To be fair to Eddie, that's jus this voice. Even his speaking voice is a bit yarled up.
This is true. It's the way he speaks and sings. It's natural to him. That's probably why I love his voice but hate the imitators because nothing is worse than a fake voice.
"Dogs can grow beards all over" will forever be the best song title, thank you for starting the trend, random band from Vermont
I like "Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Off Her Pants" and "You Know That Ain't Them Dog's Real Voices"
This is my favourite part of the genre honestly 😂 makes me laugh
As a Vermonter....How did I not know about them? Damn.
The Devil Wears Prada is from Ohio, not Vermont.
@@terrorontheintercom I'm aware, the video states Drowningman as starting the trend
Finn, Love Will Tear Us Apart doesn't really represent Joy Division that well
drowningman "busy signal at the suicide hotline" is legendary
Did anyone else get super into a band, because they watched a video of Finn making fun of them? LOL It's happened to me. I won't specify which band tho
Must be his secret agenda
Brokencyde?
Well it can’t be limp bizkit because he simps for Fred lmao
I discovered snapcase and newer bands like vein and knocked loose because of him
I kinda fell in lesbians with Ghostemane thanks to Finn.
I figured ADTR would be on here
DISRESPECT YOUR SURROUNDINGS
Also, Converge. With the album Jane Doe, they created a style that is still being imitated 20 years later.
To me it's more about the production style with that wall of feedback at every break, etc. That's all Kurt Ballou/Godcity
I love watching these videos because I always leave with bands that I’ve never heard of but start to love. So many discoveries and I appreciate all the research and work that goes into these
Mötley Crue is basically a ripoff of Hanoi Rocks.
Also known as that band Celtic Frost *really* wanted to be when they dropped Cold Lake. What a strange little album.
Yesss Three Six Mafia getting recognition, they are the most metal rappers tbh
Memphis hip-hop has a weird number of parallels with Scandinavian second-wave black metal, honestly. Like, no rumours of cannibalism or fascists that I know of, but people living tough lives and dying tragically, the fascination with the occult and extreme violence as a lyrical theme, the minimal no-fi composition/production approach, the spooky bullshit surrounding the artists and releases online-it's very kvlt indeed.
@@ConvincingPeople Yeah dog theres like tons of conspiracies that theyre actual Satanists, its crazy
@@TheJoEy9090 I mean, they were originally called triple six, the old heads still call them that. Numerous references to it in their early works, Boo used to call herself the devil's daughter. Idk if they really were or not, but they certainly played the part...RIP Infamous and Koop!
Punk Rock MBA: The only channel where you can get Tigertailz and Spaceghostpurrp references in the same video. This was definitely one of your best.
Lol! That is a pretty funny combo now that you put it like that
Somebody needs to do a phonk album that extensively samples C-list glam/sleaze-metal bands and somehow makes it work with the necro Memphis-by-way-of-Stockholm vibes.
He just likes to seem so random.
Hey, you said you don't like eddie vedder vocals, now Im gonna leave a hateful comment and mention your hat for no reason
Doom metal can be seen as a genre based on the principle that heavy metal, a genre based on copying Black Sabbath, isn't copying Black Sabbath enough.
"Way back in 2000" Ouch dude I could drink in 2001.
Yeah same here, I’m born 80 also, to me ain’t way back so fuck that, way back is 60s, parents days lol
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The heavy use of triplet based phrasing was also characteristic of the blues. It completely makes sense that it eventually found it's way into hip hop. Interesting stuff.
Interesting. Do you know any examples of blues songs that used them? Thanks in advance
Not a big blues fan, so I cant speak to the truth of this, but if so, it only makes sense that its transition into rap happened in Memphis...
@@goliathconner5078 every delta blues song ever, basically. The double stop bend triplet is maybe the simgle most common guitar phrase in the blues. I wish I could play it for you. If I did, you would say "that's every blues song ever played." Eric clapton's solo on the accoustic version of Layla is riddled with Robert Johnson style triplets. That's a good modern one that's easy to find. I can find more, but once you hear that solo, you'll hear them everywhere.
@@goliathconner5078 basically any time you can sing "wibbedy wibbedy" to it, that's it.
Sad Boi is the best thing that ever happened to pop punk, change my mind
Sadboi delivered pop punk from neonpop evil.
@DansWarped likewise, I got sick of classic pop punk and how unrelatable it became. The Story So Far changed the way I viewed pop punk, with heavier riffs and emotional lyrics etc. To this day they’re one of my favourite bands and what reignited my love for the genre
@DansWarped lol thanks, nature is awesome 👏
Can we call those Motley Crue copycat bands “Glamcore"?
"It's Not The Side Effects of The Cocaine, I'm Thinking That It Must Be Love" is a David Bowie lyric.
he really said "small pp energy" 😂😂😂😂
Definitely caught me off guard and gave me a good laugh
He's not wrong though
@@leser1music how is joy division small pp energy?
He's wrong but at least he was honest lol
I have to agree, and joy division kinda sucks
I’m not sure if it’s good or bad that growing up on my parents’ pearl jam records/cds has desensitised me to yarling
I mean im perfectly ok with so many rappers doing mafias style. They were really fucking good. Lol
I remember being young and being the only kid listening to 6 now I'm being spoiled cause every rapper sounds like it haha
well, in my humble opinion, both Misery Signals and Counterparts (and lots of others!) are following what Shai Hulud and Hopesfall did
In the words of Devin Townsend, "We all rip off Meshuggah!"
Don't forget Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. Who is heavily copied.
E. 1999 is such a killer album.
@@TheRealLetharos fuck. yes. I like art of war as well despite its flaws, but 1999 is a perfect hip hop album tracks 1-17.
I know he gives Three Six mafia their due, but it leaves out Bone Thugs n Harmony everytime who were innovators of that flow style as well.
Man their flows were a lot different
They both deserve some credit for the flow but I do think that the Three Six "sound" slower dark hazy beats along with the flow also influenced a lot of current rappers and specifically the ones he listed sounded similar sonically and with their flow
Slayer’s Read Between the Lies has the ultimate metallic hardcore riff. You could honestly go back and trace a bunch of bands to that one single riff lol
I appreciate the acknowledgment of Misery Signals. They don’t get enough credit for their influence. For the Fallen Dreams, Counterparts, The Ghost Inside and a ton of others borrowed heavily from their sound. Mis Sigs is super underrated even if their sound isn’t your favorite you can’t deny that they contributed a ton to metalcore/post hardcore. Though they never got super commercially successful, they have a super passionate fanbase that hold them in very high regard. Definitely need more love for Misery Signals on youtube!
Don Cab had long weird names for their songs and they had a foot in the hardcore scene (earlier in their career anyway)
Was also gonna mention them. They've also been around since the early 90's (the overly long song titles mostly started appearing in the late 90's).
I'M TRYIN HARD, REAL HARD, EVERYDAY NOT TO LOSE MY TEMPER
I can't believe that's 10 years old.....
legendary
Don't the long song titles come from The Smiths and Morrissey?🤔
Yes
We don't like that name here
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@@powerviolentnightmare5026 It is funny how he seems to have a bit of an axe to grind with college/indie/art rock.
¿Porque no los dos?
I’d be down for another episode. A couple of ideas ... that funk rock scene in the late 80s and also that terrible “California reggae” that blew up after Sublime.
I'm guilty for loving that Cali Reggae hahaha it's interesting how Sublime is one of those most copied bands
You're not referring to 311 or Slightly Stoopid tho? Because those bands are sick. Some other ones like Pepper or Dirty Heads... Yeah, pretty bad.
And the late 80s funk rock scene... That is my shit right there.
@@laurisaarinen1126 I like all the Stick Figure, Pepper, Dirty Heads, Iration all those summer versions of Sublime
fun fact: every time i die confirmed in some reddit ama that their name comes from misheard lyrics in drowningmans "busy signal at the suicide hotline"
I thought it was inspired from the Children of Bodom song. Or did I get it wrong? 🤔
@@austins88 i thought so too for quite a while. but I dug up the AMA and here's what jordan wrote:
"here it is. the real story. prepare to be disappointed.
there was a great band called Drowningman that was around when the band started. we were listening to them in a car on the way to a show probably and one of the lyrics was "...every time i dial" and Ratboy said "Every Time I Die, that would be a cool name for the band if it wasn't a lyric already" and someone said "it's not, he says dial not die". we were 16. the word die was cool. we kept it. SORRY!"
Less Than Jake were trying to leave town with their friends well into their 40s
I get a lot of shit for this statement but I always say Motley Crue was my generations Led Zeppelin. Everything Crue did everyone else did 4 months later.
@Luke I am strictly going on an influence standpoint here and am not downgrading Led Zeps abilities at all.
No wonder you catch a lot of flack.
"And they hated Gino because he spoke the truth."
No, Motley Crue is more like Kiss.
WASP is another group that doesn’t get nearly enough love, way way better than Motley Crue
agreed!
You need to lay off the crack pipe if you think wasp is better🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and throw some spect on the name when you talk about the Crüe
@@marcb4755 lmaoooo good one bro
@@blackaciddevil gOoD oNe bRo.....I know it was a good one, that's why I said it.....BRO
@@blackaciddevil when wasp grosses the same and has a movie we can talk....and even then I'll tell you they suck.
I forget if they were mentioned in the last one, but At The Gates riffs basically created early 2000’s metalcore as you’ve mentioned before. Killswitch Engage mentioned that Slaughter of the Soul was their biggest influence and then everyone ripped off Killswitch lol. But I was dying at the HM-2 pedal part, that was gold!
Yes he mentioned at the gates in the last video
At The Gates and Carcass' Heartwork were definitely the blueprint for early 2000s metalcore.
Coma Eternal, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Nehemiah, As Hope Dies, and Endthisday were some of the best of the At The Gates copies that are mostly unknown. Although I’d say 7A7P kind of fused that with Cave In’s sound.
Hey that’s my Cheesecake Factory tweet lol
im sure "my friends over you" by newfound glory totally copied that day to remember sound back in 2002.
Less Than Jake has been making songs about hating their hometown since the 90's.
Yep and had long, zany song titles like "All My Best Friends Are Metalheads"!
yeah i didn't think he quite dug deep enough for his claims about zany song titles and hometowns, definitely heard a lot of early emo/hardcore punk delve into that.
I'd credit The Locust with being an earlier example and possible influence of the long zany song titles. That became their thing by the late 90s.
"Stucco Obelisks Labelled as Trees"
"How to Build a Pessimistic Lie Detector"
I mean, that's probably one of the earlier examples in punk-adjacent music, but it does have a different tenor from how the hardcore and later scene bands approached it.
The Locust or Anal Cunt were the 2 bands in the 90s that I knew of that had those long weird titles. I'd agree that DrowningMan probably didn't pioneer it
@@ryshort7255 I was about to post this, but you beat me to it. Definitely Agoraphobic Nosebleed and Pig Destroyer too. I think it kinda built off of what grindcore bands in the late 80's and early 90s were doing with longer and more humerous song titles like Carcass and Napalm Death.
It’s Demilich. Look em up
capn jazz
Math Rock has a lot of long and odd song titles too. For Example:
"Let's Face It Pal, You Didn't Need That Eye Surgery" by Don Caballero
"What's Bart Simpson Doing on the Freeway? Kickflip." by PlanesWalker
"I Am S/H(im)e[r] As You Am S/H(im)e[r] As You Are Me And We Am I And I Are All Our Together: Our Collective Consciousness' Psychogenic Fugue" by Giraffes? Giraffes!
I don't think Finn is into math rock.
Same post-hardcore connection via Don Cab and the Chicago scene, so it makes sense.
@@ConvincingPeople I never thought about that! Don Cab's from Pittsburgh, but I think some members lived in Chicago.
Bringing it full circle, Disfear is full of members of At the Gates and Entombed
Totally right about the “chainsaw” guitar tone, my buddy and I were just talking about this the other day, a lot of bands still do that! Fuming mouth, creeping death. Gatecreeper definitely does it the best! That new album is 👌🏾
Also Nails is still an amazing band, crazy to think unsilent death just had its 10 year anniversary!
now i am become yarler, destroyer of worlds.
Destroyer of Radio*
Best scene song title 🔥🔥
I Got Punched in the Nose for Sticking My Face in Other People’s Business - Boys Night Out
I've always been partial to "I've got ten friends and crowbar that says you won't do jack." or any song title from earlier FOB
Reinventing the wheel just to run myself over. 👌
Most 80's "latin rock" bands are basically Joy Division ripoffs, yet they tricked a lot of people into thinking they were original (lyrics are more important than the actual music apparently)
Caifanes, Soda Stereo they were bringing that New Wave/Post Punk sound into the latín american masses
@@AportesKike yeah, and that's cool (even great), but a lot of (if not most) people act like they were this revolutionary unique sound when in reality they were just post-punk bands
@@hxc4ever301 because you dont get the social culture context bro also the latin sound they bring
@@PunkLaVey believe me I do
Caifanes son fuego
Motely Crue is not original. They are Van Halen meets Kiss. Their copies are just copies of a copy.. three 6 Mafia is not that influential. The triplet flow is from Chicago rapper Twista. .. the real most copied rap group is NWA by far.
A lot of the late 90's hardcore/metalcore bands on the east coast, used to reference carcass as well. I've always thought of them as one of the first bridges from Slayer to 90's riffing.
Let's not forget that Motley Crue was already copying another band with their style, which was Hanoi Rocks... without them the Hair Scene probably wouldn't have been the same
Weren't they ripping of Hanoi Rocks and New York Dolls?
@@AlexGreat321 fair enough😅
The whole Entombed-core sound was started by Trap Them, even before Nails came into the scene. Love these videos Finn.
Thanks! But its not really about who did it first, right?
@@ThePunkRockMBA true tho. Anyway, shoutout to Trap Them
Trap Them are great.
The world absolutely does not need any more kid rocks. I’m sure the most of the works agrees that 1 is plenty.
One Kidd Rock is about three too many, actually
You fool. Kid Rock must exist. Once the current Kid transcends the flesh of this world another will take his place. Machine Gun Kelly is already 1/4th of the way there.
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@@andrewbrock3675 That is a deeply cursed thought.
I actually hear a lot of the “entombedcore” thing in 90’s hardcore. Like Next Step Up’s album “Fall From Grace” has practically identical guitar tones
And spot on with the Discharge bit, I can’t tell you how many bands I love that sound just like them. Another band I think gets copied a lot there is GBH
I FU"KIN LOVE THE SKARHEAD SHIRT!!!! Love your videos my friend!!!! Makes my day after a hard day of picking up garbage for 12 hours. Thank you for helping me keep my sanity bro.
Fallout NPCs. I DIED 🤣🤣🤣
Imitation is supposedly the sincerest form of flattery. Take that how you will.
But are you worshipping or are you tributing?
@@vin_fm2354 guess it's a case-by-case thing
I think Type o negative were the first band to have Long titles in their songs like for example: "Unsuccesfully Copying with the natural beauty of infifelity"
Bands have had long song titles forever, The Orb put out "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld" in 1989. It's more about where did the scene bands get that trend from and I doubt it came from TON (one of my favorite bands, btw).
Frank zappa had long titles in the 70s
Ever heard a little ditty called "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" by The Beatles? Not long enough? They also had "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey".
How about a little bit of Pink Floyd with "Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict" from 1969? "Pict" is short for "Australopithecus" because they didn't want to take up too much space on the "Ummagumma" LP cover...
Yeah... I'm afraid Typ O weren't the first band to do _anything_ , as great as they were.
I couldn’t but notice that the “drowning man” text & album cover look awfully similar to the early album covers of “Poison the well”
Coincidence? Or copycat??
Pretty sure Jacob Bannon did both.
You caught at 13 minutes in till the end. I’m definitely a “Joy Division” post hardcore 37 year old 🤣
After scanning over a good deal of comments I’m truly surprised how many people Stan for yarling
The long song titles thing came into scene music via skramz and sass bands in the mid-late 90's. The Locust is the obvious one but stuff like Angel Hair's "You Were Ugly But You Got Cute Again" deserves some recognition, as well as parallel things in math rock and straight forward emo as well.
12:57 ouch, that Zao one hurt me. Never thought about them and Slayer in the same vein but I cant un hear it now
I mean, it's not a dig. Zao are great. It's just that *everyone* was biting Slayer to some degree at that point… and now.....
You should have slipped Venom in there, and Power Metal is huge everywhere but the US and theres many bands who fuse thrash and power metal together, but the best was Jag Panzer
The “Eddie Vedder isn’t a good vocalist” take… I point you into the direction of the MTV Unplugged when Pearl Jam performed Black… Top 3 Unplugged performance of a song
Thats me and my pals on the "discharge" part, Romantiker noisepunk with the d-beat worship from sweden!