The Complex Villain That Is Tooru | JoJolion Character Analysis
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So I forgot to mention this in the actual video but I feel like people don’t like him because his most crucial dialogue is in weird spots and there really isn’t much of it
Toorou
Also to note that most of his dialogue is done through Wonder of U so I can imagine that dialogue can feel disconnected to Tooru despite Wonder of U words being Tooru’s
Wonder of you is one my favorite stand and seeing people hate him because of his user really pains me
@@serafinopampena3097 totally. People see the head doctor as his own character for some reason
@@NotPork can’t say i blame them, for the majority of the series when the stands would talk for the user theyde usually be in the same area, however with WoU they were in completely different parts of towns so for the 2 years they were in different settings having their own separate conflicts.
I think another reason why Tooru gets a lot of hate is because his role as the main villain is very different from the main villains in other parts. Most JoJo parts have a plot that completely centers around defeating the big bad guy while JoJolion had so much more than just defeating Tooru as it's goal.
True it's jojolion not toorulion
@@SoulBro12 Just like the rest of the parts are named Dio blood, Kars Tendency, DIO crusaders, Kira is Unbreakable, Golden Diavolo, Stone Pucci and Funny Ball Run
@@galacticpookachus6780 Funny Ball Run sounds interesting
True, Jojolion was centered around saving Holly
Oh wait
@@gro2020 No it wasn't lmfao
I like how Tooru saying that even a saint will come across calamities is a reference to Johnny's death
I thought that was literally talking about Jesus who met the calamity of being hung on the cross. Johnny doesn't seem saint like at all. What do you think?
@@allstarsreviewers2278 he literally saved the planet by killing valentine. People were given sainthood for less
@@barockobummer2448 Maybe. But he doesn't act like a saint at all, especially with his frankly unfounded vendetta against Diego. His actions of saving the world from Valentine is heroic and I will conced with calling him a hero, but not a saint.
@@allstarsreviewers2278 I’m pretty sure it was implied that Johnny’s corpse acts like a less powerful version of the saints corpse in modern Morioh
@@allstarsreviewers2278 there is a vid about why johnny became a saint
Wonder of U is in my opinion the most scary and dangerous stand in all of jojo.
Like imagine dio trying to approach him and then he trips and his body just breaks apart.
It's really terrifying.
He trips over rat shit and dies
Even if you kill Tooru, the stand is still alive lol I have people argue that Cheap Trick can beat WoU not realizing it can be active without the user
@@SoulBro12 Looks like we found SCR 2.
@@bluekawashima-9012 how the turns have tabled
@@SoulBro12 i swear ive seen u in another vid
I feel like a lot of the dislike for Tooru was cuz everyone was so caught up in hype and theories. I mean everyone was thinking Jobin or Kaato were gonna be the villain, but to have Tooru just show up and take the reigns probably felt like a slap in the face to everyone. Now I feel like everyone who hated him are probably just indifferent, but it's easy to see the hate when we were still reading month to month
Like every other series people are gonna appreciate it a lot more after they read it in its entirety
Yeah agree
wtf
@Manatee Steve yeah, there were a lot of flaws in Caato's hype & theories but her fans still blindly defended them, clearly they were delusional to me.
Well, Jobin was interesting and important character, with a lot going on, I was really disappointed when he died like trash. I really liked the concept of "Main character's waifu's exboyfriend", but nobody really cared about that when the fight started.
I think Part 8 is the first part to not have a main villain, but instead a last villain.
It's only considered the "main" by some because he was the most op stand of that universe.
@@waNErBOY Personally, I'd say S&W is the most op stand, it's just plunder barely got used after a while.
@@benjamincharlton1388 stands are only OP if they encounter stands from other parts, if not, its irrelevant. GER wasnt relevant because Giorno never shows up again and its not related to any of the other parts. I think Araki does that on purpose.
@@waNErBOY Maybe araki wants to focus on other parts. That's what makes jjba so special. Each part continues the story yet tells a different one.
@@benjamincharlton1388 totally. Im certain he wouldn't know how to portray a fight between the most powerful stands as they'd overlap each other.
one of my favorite things about this arc are two heroes who come entirely out of left field, one giving Josuke a fighting chance, the other dealing the finishing blow, are both just mothers who are trying to help their sons
Which itself is the sort of antithesis of Tooru as Rock Humans never know their mother's affection
I started appreciating Tooru a lot more when I realized that he is a foil to Josuke. Another man born from the ground by the choice of others. The difference is that Tooru was taught to care only about himself while Josuke was shown kindness and learned to care for others. Josuke could possibly have become Tooru if Yasuho hadn't shown up to help him
I agree wholeheartedly man.
Plus Tooru never had a mother like other rock human children and I believe that at its core turned him so cold. Not that hes got murderous compulsions like Kira or a thirst for domination and power like Dio or Diavolo. He just literally never got socialised to have interpersonal relationships and has become sociopathic
He lived in à forest which taught him to always help himself and never trust others.
@@nathanielleack4842 And by the end, Kaato's intervention is mirrored by the wasp that Tooru sees at the end; just a memory from the closest thing to a mother coming to help him.
Thanks.
IMO, the connection between The Wonder of You (Song) and Wonder of U is that it's ironic. Similar to how I Am A Rock is a song about being alone and isolated, but the stand makes you so magnetic that ANYTHING can be attracted to you. The Wonder of You is a love song where the singer is in awe about the woman in his life, but Tooru is mostly concerned about himself. Even his relationship with Yasuho is parasitic and he only comes around when he actually needs something from her/Paisley Park. If she doesn't have anything for him, or she's in his way, he's perfectly fine with watching her die or sacrificing her to heal his wounds.
LMAO fun fact I knew if I didn’t break down the song you would do it for me lol turned out to be true
Lmao i always thought the song was just Tooru’s thoughts on his own stand but I like ur idea better
I thought it was ironic because Elvis made this song about his mother (I might be wrong) and Tooru's mom abandonned him
@@anotherchaos Every rock human is basically a normal person who is abandoned at birth and then develops crippling anti-social behavior.
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 I know, that's why they are really good antagonists for a story like jojolion
I'm late by 9 months, but "Wonder of You" by Elvis Presley is directed at his mother.
Which comes back to full circle when Tooru sees a Hornet and reaches out for it.
It's clear that he wished for something humans had that he didn't, which is why the one who helps bring an end to his life is Kaato, the mother to all of Norisuke's children.
The original Wonder of You song was like that but Elvis chose to do the cover as a tribute to his mother who died. Tooru is finished off by the Mother of the Higashikatas and his last thoughts are of the hornet he killed because it was the closest thing to a mother he ever knew
Jojolion is the most human one I feel. Less grand over the top characterizations and the important parts of the story and the meaning behind those things are in unexpectedly mundane places. This is especially true for the opposing forces of tooru and josuke, both of whom have rather normal personalities when compared to other jojos. This part is extremely focused on nature in general and human nature so having the portrayals of these things (the characters) be more toned down and realistic makes complete sense and is something still new to jojo.
@left nut I hope you do
@left nut good
@left nut why do you think cioccolatta recorded those corpses
True that, I feel like the Rock Humans are one of the few fleshed out minion stand users in the series, sure someone like Steely Dan, Ghiaccio, Thunder Mcqueen and Magent Magent have oozing personality, but we never get to see their lives outside of the current JoJo conflict, JoJolion gives a glimpses on why a random enemy stand user acts like the way they are, Ojiro, Aisho, Damo, Dr Wu, Poor Tom and the rest have other things to do, it's just that the JoJo distruped their way of life and have to react accordingly
Most unique JoJo part
Tooru was upset and anxious because he felt like his youthful appearance had caused him to waste years of his life and miss opportunities that should have been his, so he was given a stand that allowed him to take on an older and more accomplished persona, while causing other people to experience a never-ending loop of negative events.
It blows me away how this is lost on so many people. I still think that Tooru was underutilized, but his ability and character motivations blend seamlessly with one another
I adore how Araki’s writing for this character was developed through cheer implication and concept as opposed to outright displaying him as the big baddie. From him being a rock monster (which contrasts with Gappy’s ability to learn and grown as a new being, as rock humans can never assimilate within human society) to him being a reserved and unknown figure throughout the story was a phenomenal touch.
Tooru for me represents the doctrine of the Absurdity of Life, as he constantly seeks human attention and craving it, yet, by his own nature, can never actually receive it. His stand is a acknowledgement of how unknown and strange the mechanisms of the universe are; pursuing anything or having some kind of direct goal is a contradiction to how the universe functions. And the only way to defeat his stand was to have the “Go Beyond” ability break the logic of said universe altogether. I view his ability as a form of acceptance of the premise behind Wonder of U’s stand, and then going beyond it.
Tooru has to be my favorite JoJo antagonist, as his lone appearance in the radio gaga incident perfectly personifies the kind of antagonist he is. Ironically enough, he constantly attempted to rail against his own nature and change himself, and he was ultimately defeated by Gappy’s own acceptance of his place in the universe. This comes after Gappy is resolute in not finding out who he was or what he did, but choosing to live on as Josuke and and forming his own bonds and experiences.
JoJolion is just masterclass lol
Jojolion is a different breed
You do make a good point. I used to think Araki was losing some of his touch. This reduces the total amount of sloppy-writing moments to only 1. Cuz, seriously, how Yasuho not realize that Tooru never aged? She didnt notice the first time she bumped into him, or the second. It was way later inti the final arc. The weirdest thing is she was aware of the fact that Tooru had always been there all her life, but had not yet realized that he had never aged. But I guess Araki just forgor in that one part.
@@megablazepr3603 didn't she just think it was a stranger before? I thought she only realised it was tooru all along in the final arc as she finally connected the dots after learning the truth
@@demon_hawkeye5269 no cuz when they were together, she was aware that he was the dude from her childhood, who appeared periodically and once in a while.
@@megablazepr3603 wait, what chapter was this in? Because I don't remember it.
Something I noticed when you were talking about the rock human origins is that humans and rock humans have a very yin and yang connection which is so cool, love seeing even more daoist connections. Plus that connects to what Yasuho says at the beginning of the part about how a curse is the tension of seeing the world as two separate parts instead of a whole which is a very daoist idea. This part is so full of symbolism I love it.
Bruh your pfp is legendary
@@bluebandit9715 i was about to comment the same thing
The Chad Tooru enjoyer
Based
Exactly
@Obscure Wondering .-.
The Nerd Diavolo fan
@Obscure Wondering no
I personally like Tooru because of the fact that he has a past connection with Yasuho, and giving the fact that JoJolion is supposed to be written different than other parts, Josuke doesn't have someone to mainly fight after, and he tries to act cool, and I just really like that about him
But that's just me, hate him all you want, I won't hate you, you're still like one of my favorite JoJotubers, and I hope that never changes :)
Amen
@@StefanoPellizzariChannel Amen
@@swissycheese Amen
I love you for saying that, dear tooru enjoyer
@@VexDeePhilosophs oh, of course!
It's good to have fellow Tooru enjoyers around :>
When Tooru is revealed as the main antagonist near the end of the story, I totally vibed with how strange he was. He had everything that makes main antagonists in Jojo dangerous; perversions, obsessions, ruthless conflict resolution and a logically unstoppable stand. I get that people hate how he is revealed in the final third, but Tooru is teased throughout the part. He can be seen in the final chapter set in the 1940's so i'd like to think he was heavily influencing Morioh for decades, and maybe Part 9 will reveal more about him.
I have a headcanon that he held some kind of influence over the first generation of the Higashikata fruit business (it would be fitting with the fact that he killed Rai’s father, who was also involved in plants) and the calamity of him being near the family for so long is why they are cursed.
>His main enemy is most dangerous person because he had 4️⃣ balls
>A lot of people like yasuho don't even understand him,WoU music say "When no one else can understand me"
>It doesn't need a real fight to be the main villain or even to take a beating or helpers and you can't fight him
>Great taste in music and fashion and a great hair/hat🍄
>A rockhuman like Araki
>What is his face, is he evil, is he good،Is he really 89 old...?
>The best villain who applied mystery and his dialogues are far from chatter
>the strongest and most terrifying stand according to Araki(I have decided that the most powerful and terrifying opponent one can face is called "Calamity". Calamity attacks in an irrational way, but in fact it is connected with a certain logic, and it will encroach on everyone equally,
It is very powerful and trying to overcome it may in itself be far from hope)also tooru say:(The right path, Even if walked on by a saint who makes no mistakes,It is unavoidable that bad things will sometimes occur.That is "Calamity")And this is a hint to defeat funny valentine who has the corpse of the saint+the coolest walk and standing
>Cunning, deceiving characters and the world,Although he is calm he creates disasters
>He has the courage and mind to let go of his pride to avoid a dangerous fight, not a stupid mosquito waiting to be beaten"Safety first"
>≈Kills half of the main cast
>He can say a great long speech just because you accidentally touched rokakaka or become close to him
>A lot of theories can be put forward if he wins
>Many connections and references from all other jojo main villains,for example,a different type of human being+respect for the earth+and the desire for immortality has been hinted at+the past(yasuho) is the reason of his death+He claims that it is justice to get the fruit similar to the funny valentine thinking as they shot their subordinate for example. However, it is the opposite in other things,such as no sense of patriotism also the tenderness of the parents,and died forgotten and his ability to jinx...,unlike funny valentine whose popularity rose to more than +80%+in addition to being a disturbing ancient curse as events refer to it (probably tooru has strong connections with part9)....and also incorporating ideas from many of part8 such as identity crisis,The concept of self+the concept of other,memories,curses,past, happiness,Mystery,bizzare,love,betrayal,family, fear of the painful unknown that always occupies your mind everywhere but you can't catch up with it, racism,No country recognizes you,ambition,power, dreams, greed and fruits, loneliness...
>Yasuho was in love with him
>he's nearly by far most referenced character in jojo
>Does not need to do weird poses and make funny sounds
>Doctor who extremely ambitious and knowledgeable in both technology and medicine
>He didn't need to develop his stand and had no chance and lost unfairly by nothing
>memories and dreams
>An unconventional villain whose biggest desire is to feel loved but he can't And his goal is a reflection of josuk8
>He was dancing when characters were suffering
>He can protect teddy bears for decades, unlike the loser Gyro
> he can leave wonderful rock surprises in his pocket with wonderful names
>He used a shovel to farm while josuke used it to hit a fat woman
>Even tooru haters respect him(tooru as WoU form), as we know tooru wants to appear in the form of an old man in order to help achieve his goals, as his youthful appearance was an obstacle, but when he announced Lokakaka,He was highly appreciated
>This story about breaking a curse
>Cause Josuke to appear(if he had a hand in the earthquake it would really be an irony of fate.The force of the catastrophe would have led to the creation of a biological miracle which was not supposed to appear and it is Josuke the same thing with GO BEYOND ability who appear because calamity and will be responsible for his death.And in case this was a mistake, do not forget that he was the cause of Holly disease and thus the beginning of the fruit theft, which was the reason for bringing it to Morioh
>Warn his enemies because he already win
>He can kill all the people on earth if they don't stop trying to find and kill him،So that he will be the last man on earth
>He made fun of jobin's dead body and Kaato even though he's almost dead And his stand did a SSS wrestling move on kaato
>All events refer to this man
>Available everywhere and anytime
.....
>LEAVE twice
CHAD Coment. Pure and based shrigma male energy
Shit i dont give like on yt but this one is amazing and funny
Has a sentient reality bender level stand at birth.
“The coolest walk” okay now that’s just blasphemous
Well you can pretty much say that Wonder of U is the strongest natural stand ever, like no forced evolution no requiem no bullshit, he is simply built different. Chad calamity man
I think that araki used a difficult style in writing And showing Tooru's character, It's different from Josuke in the first chapter, who left strong hints to the story such as the possibility of a jinx stand if you had mista mind,but tooru is generally a mystery character,the less chatter and the more his dialogues contain new information or building events with so many questions and some hints(For example,ask himself if there will be a flood after it rains) in a balanced manner without the need for a long wait, the quality of mystery and dialogue will increase and he did not use clear hints and this is a difficult writing,and therefore many people, especially those who ignore or forget details, have difficulty understanding him, some of them think that WoU is a different character from him,For example, WoU said when he remember Rai's past:I feel nostalgic and this reminds us of tooru،holly said head doctor has no face And although she met him countless times as she said but she does not remember his face after we know his truth it becomes a logical matter.this face hides something else and that it is nothing but a depiction of a face and not an actual face (Treachery of Pictures), The eyes of the stand and also on his clothes tooru and WoU a shape symbolizing the flower of the sunflower also one of the symbols of this flower in China is long life also we have seen in a scene that the eyes of tooru were drawn similar to the eyes of Akifu Satoru ,WoU turned and looked at yasuho when she was suffering،There is also a lot of similarity in their behavior for example WoU treated the journalist who would cause him a problem with kindness and tried to persuade him, but when he did not succeed, he advised him not to chase him and at the same time he warned him that he was the reason to pursue him and thus his death, and some think that he really loved yasuho while tooru wanted to make memories with her(tooru said he wanted to keep her memories with her when he was warning her) And his enjoyment of listening to old songs is often related to memories،he also did not change the shape of his clothes and still bears on his shoulders despite the passage of decades often related to memories lol This is without forgetting that he focused a lot on reminding yasuho of the memories ،it is clear in the flashback that as a child he was looking for his mother's embrace and love, but more than 97% of friendship and love relationships fail But Tooru tries to make up for the lack of love through memories. Even though he ate 🍔, he and his stand looked sad that he ate wasps as he did as a child so maybe when he was helping the child he looked sad often because he reminded him of himself when he was a child weak and lonely And when he was about to die, he realized the feeling of being weak after he was invincible
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Bro really thinks i gon read allat😭🙏
There‘s something I realized a few weeks ago, that nobody seems to mention / maybe even think about:
The flow of calamity really isn‘t that much of an abstract concept; It isn‘t even that specific to the world of Jojo. As mentioned, Araki was inspired by a tsunami and it was often seen, that some animals almost seem to recognize impending natural disasters a few days / hours before they start happening. Humans don‘t really show these kinds of behavior and often times are surprised by natural disasters, while a lot of animals have already fled by then. It‘s unclear what exactly leads to this phenomena in certain cases.
I think a lot of people have already heard about this phenomena and I think it will help a lot to grab the concept of calamity.
There‘s a lot of other media centering around this concept as well. If we just look at Pokemon, we can find Absol, which is centered around feeling impending disasters and trying to warn people. You could say, that it senses the flow of calamity as well, while we humans are unable to
I love Tooru's portrayal because he's the only surprise villain we got in Jojo. In every other part, we knew (roughly) who was the enemy. Maybe we didn't know what they looked like, but even the main villain of part 5 was revealed (technically) around halfway through. Tooru was so effective at hiding in plain sight that we saw him, but didn't see him for who he was. Just like Yasuho and Josuke, we underestimated him and just thought he would be a new jobro or minor character or ally, when in reality he was the most effective rock human of them all.
Was he really a surprise? He seemed sketchy at best from the jump..
@@CaptainJoJo71 well yes, the first time I saw him I knew he was important, look how this motherfucker is dressed 💀💀💀but I really thought he was going to be an ally
Lmao everyone looked sketchy in this
Big question is established: Who is the Head Doctor?
*seconds later*
Weird guy with a very detailed design who works at a hospital bumps into a main character, has backstory with them, and immediately becomes a romantic rival to the protagonist.
Truly an impossible riddle.
He even mentions that he works part time like Rock Humans have to. The only dawning realisation I had was after opening yet another volume where every chapter was called "Wonder of You (The Miracle of Your Love): Part 2 Trillion" was that this was it. This was all we were getting. He obviously was going to be a villain, it was just weird he was the final villain. The last hope I had that something interesting was going to happen was that Kaato was going to use a fruit to fuse Jobin and Tooru into the actual final villain to bring her son back to life.
wonder of U's calamity is like the thematic sequel to the principle of getting duwang'd by an ambulance for seemingly no reason
Tooru's anxiety is VERY similar to DIO's idea of Heaven and Peace of Mind in part 3 and part 6. And as we know the idea of Heaven in very much linked to Fate, which in Jojo is an observable supernatural almost scientific force.
That is what all of Jojo should be viewed through to be perfectly honest, this system of Fate in Jojo described as Gravity. In part 8, it is recontextualize in the new system of Flow which is still incredibly similar to the old system of Gravity in the old universe. And Tooru's character really should be viewed through this lens primarily.
I recommend you watch Hamon Beat's videos on these Fate related topics in the Jojo universe, alongside his two part videos on what counts as a Stand (both in the OG universe and in the new universe). It really gives you a lot of perspective on Araki's design principle taken from official sources (interviews, artbooks, etc.) and it gives you perspective to realize the fact that Tooru and Wonder of U are actually one the most interesting concepts Araki had ever came up with.
And now with The Jojolands, we have the Mechanism which I think is the inner working/process of Fate
I hate how the comunitty ignores how realistic Tooru really is, a old man with bad intentions with an act of a good person that, happens so much in real life .
yeah but that not an interesting story. thats just minor villain material
@@julien827 Bruh, it's literally a real life villain, how this can't be a interesting story?
Realistic isn’t automatically good
Imo tooru is boring compared to other antagonists
Tooru is real evil. Money and power, at all costs. It's simple and it's delivered in a very straightforward, no-bullshit way. It was bound to be a controversial decision to go for that in Jojo, given most "fans" are in for the over-the-top flamboyance and larger than life figures of your DIOs and Valentines. I respect someone that can just keep trying different approaches without missing the mark or jumping the shark.
@@oimate6357 Diavolo and Kars are a lot worse than Tooru tbh
Tooru’s final spiel about the “rock atop all other rocks” has some real “tears in the rain” feels to me, idk
Tooru wasn't my favorite villain, but I'd probably put him as my 3rd or 4th favorite villain.
Same he is a 3th for me only lossing for valetine and diavolo
I'm kind of ranking "Tooru" as Tooru and Satoru Akefu. I do this with Doppio and Diavolo and Dio and DIO etc. I always find it that Satoru is higher up than Tooru.
@@zypalitra8080same i rank saturo higher because of the all mystery invoving the head doctor
@@wonderland9601 I've said it before on other videos that I'd have much rather had Tooru/Satoru be two individual Rock Humans instead of Rock Human/Stand. One of them being a Stand is a really interesting twist (tbh at that point such a unique happening should've really cemented him as the main villain for all readers) but it robs Satoru of his creepiness.
@@zypalitra8080 ok so if i make tooru and saturo individual characters along with the pillar mens so my ranking gonna be like this
1-diavolo
2-doppio
3-saturo
4-funny valetine
5-tooru
6-wammu
7-kars
8-kira
9-esidisi
10-santana
11-DIO
12-dio brandon
13-pucci
Tooru pretty much immediately became my second favorite villain (behind Pucci) when I finished Jojolion. Not only is he attractive and terrifying, he's a perfect reflection of Josuke. An avatar of chaos and negativity, whereas Josuke is meant to be a holy force of good. I think people didn't like him because he showed up so late in the story and died relatively shortly after. I hope he's reincorporated into Part 9 somehow cause I really liked him and I think he could have broader implications on the story.
I just like him because he feels like such a shitpost. I laughed my head off at all the memes where he was just in the background with his shovel because it just seemed so in character. I may not have cared for most of the other rock humans, but I definitely liked Tooru
Tooru is personally one of my favourite Jojo antagonists. It will be amazing seeing him animated one day. Hopefully it will make more people appreciate Tooru
Hey, I fely the same way about Pucci. Hated him at first but started to appreciate him a lot more after my second read of Stone Ocean.
But Pucci is like, top 1 jojo antagonists.
true, I thought Pucci was just generic DIO minion but after some rereads I realize he's just some guy who had no choice in life thus when the opportunity to change the way of life arises (aka DIO), he takes it without question, really cool guy
@@SoulBro12 exactly, i hope no one misunderstands him when watching the anime soon
@@UmTois nah Valentine and diavolo>
@@UmTois same Pucci is my favorite main antagonist
Finally somebody gave this man some respect.....
Bro been waiting for this one since the community post
Upon mentioning running into calamity I got an ad for reddit, if that's not a calamity I don't know what is
The fear of what's known vs unknown is ultimately what results from struggling to accept what you can vs can't control.
It feels like the more realistic version of Part 5’s themes, being that it was not around fate, which is iffy, but about disasters. Otherwise the morals taken are about the same. Accept (your fate/the fact that calamities will happen) and keep persevering and with luck you will produce a better outcome and make a good difference.
To me, Tooru isn’t the main villain of Jojolion, but the rock human organization itself. Tooru is basically just the leader and the last rock human Josuke has to deal with. When we see Tooru in the last chapter at the orchards, it symbolizes that the rock human organization has been behind the scenes for a very long time, not just Tooru himself.
Kars isn't the main villain of Battle Tendency, it's the Pillar men.
Tooru = Giorno is what you're saying pretty much, Giorno and Tooru are like the primordial concepts of fate and flow while the rest of their gang has been personally dealt a bad fate or bad flow on life and are considered the main protagonists/antagonist (pretty sure all of them have some traumatic backstory with the difference being Giorno's gang learned while the rock human's kept their vengence for the past)
@@bluekawashima-9012 exactly that’s actually a very good connection tooru is the main villain of part 8 nobody can change that
@@bluekawashima-9012 Except Kars was the leader of the 4 Pillermen .-. The 3 pillermen literally followed him after he slaughtered the others.
Great video! I'm glad you've come to appreciate the wonder of Tooru. That part about the rock on top of the others was really clever, and a deep interpretation about that speech which I hadn't realized before. It makes so much sense: in a pile, if any other rock than the one on top were to disappear, its disappearance would cause others to shift or fall; but for the rock on the very top (Tooru), its disappearance causes no such results or influences. That one interpretation of the speech really encapsulates the pressure on Tooru and his anxiety on wanting to cause a ripple in the world.
He almost reminds me of an alternate universe Kars. The idea of him being a non-human and being compared to other living beings instead. And he's a rock human while Kars got turned into a rock. Idk it just gets me thinking
Wait ur onto something...
@@meii_dai5569 I felt the connection between Rock Humans & Pillar Men were obvious, both chasing peak evolution for themselves one through the red stone and the other through the new lokakaka. Especially because Josuke is also kinda Joseph.
I love Tooru. He's my favorite ngl. Valentine is my second fav, followed by Kira in third
I always love the concept of The Wonder of U, no matter how much information or how long have you been pursuing it, there would be times where the only explanation in a bad situation is "it was just an accident" or "they were just unlucky" which is why pursuing it would be useless and letting it consume you would result in your death
For me, Tooru isn’t the main villain he is just the final one and represents the whole Rock Human faction, Jojolion works differently than other parts instead of two sides we get multiple factions trying to achieve their goals and the winner between those factions was Caato’s, Caato realized her and her sons dream and ended the curse but at a great cost while the Rock Humans & Josuke’s faction lost the Rokakaka war
Tooru is the main villain lol
@Eighth Key what
I understand what you mean, but Tooru is the main villain.
I feel like toorus motivations for money has some of the more personal motivations than any of the other jojo villian, rock humans have to feed off the human population, and in any second they could turn and kill them, they have alot of desperation to just live, they didnt start from poverty and make it all the way up to riches like most villians in fiction, they battled up the entire food chain to get to where they are, they need to become powerful and wealthy enough to have reassurance theyll be able to live at all, they have a very unstable lifestyle, the connections they make can be gone after they wake up from hibernation, so they need to make money fast, the desperation tooru had for the rokakaka plant is the same type of desperation a baby turtle feels making its way to water avoiding seagulls and other predators just to be able to make it to live, to make money in the short period of time they have awake, is the same fight to live, for them who started from insects, a 1 dollar note means more to them than anyone in the world, they need it to survive, the fight for the rokakaka is their fight for a sustainable future, other rock humans like urban geurilla wanted to take over the human population, while tooru wanted the sustainability of the wealth he gains from it, its a fight between jousukes, higashikata and the rock humans sustainable future, its not as grand as saving the world or anything, but its more personal than any other jojo villian imo, and any other motivation for any other jojo part, thats what makes part 8 so special, we just cant understand toorus motivations from our perspective at the top of the food chain
Huh, I guess I also have been looking at Tooru in the wrong light. With your text examples and explanation, it kind of makes me realize just how deep Tooru's character was written throughout the end of Jojolion, despite having said text be written at different parts in the manga. I kind of wish that there was a bit more context to these quotes and actions of Tooru beforehand (like how Kira was introduced) than just having him be revealed later. I get it makes understanding the story a lot more comprehensible going through a second time, but it seems more so that the context to such scenes is lacking when people are reading it for the first time with monthly chapters. I can really appreciate Araki's attention to detail in this case, though I kind of feel some readers might be put off by just how complex Tooru is as a character and what he represents in terms of the overall story to Jojolion. Though despite this, I still top off my hat to Araki for creating such a unique and oddly relatable character. For (currently) being 61, Araki has still got it.
It probably doesn't help Tooru's case that a lot of his important dialogue is in really weird, easy-to-miss parts of the manga, either. :S
@@F1areon Yes, agreed.
My boy Tooru getting some love, hell yeah. I think Tooru is really similar in a lot of ways to Diavolo and thats probably why I like him so much because I also really like Diavolo. Both are the mysterious leader of a crime organization pretty fixated on keeping their identity secret, both wield an almost undefeatable Stand reflecting their ideals, their idea of being at the top of the world and only caring about the power they can seize working from the shadows and overall both are very mysteroius and imposing.
Also, his introduction is actually pretty well crafted, I feel it achieved what the introduction of Doppio didn't do, but it could've.
With Doppio, we saw him as his guy he is a part of the organization and has a special connection with the Boss. However it was very quickly established, through the fortune teller on Sardinia that Doppio IS the Boss (sort of, as they share a body).
With Tooru however, the mystery was much more drawn out. We got to know him in a pretty random moment, we started establishing facts about the head doctor, and it was then that we learned that Tooru has a special connection with him, so I already started to suspect something between the two. And indeed, later we learn that Tooru is the head doctor himself, but the whole buildup and the mystery of their identity is paced in a way that the fact Tooru is the head doctor uncovers slowly, when with Doppio it was just handed to the reader the moment he got introduced.
Josuke-Tooru relationship is pretty similar to Giorno-Diavolo relationship in other ways as well, as they don't really share that much of a personal connection, more of a thematic and moral differences in the narrative, but no real personal interactions. I think I like Josuke-Tooru better because Josuke has spent more time actually fighting against him and it sorta developed into this rivarly. I mean, he was mostly fighting the sentient stand, not Tooru himself but it is something. I overall like the narrative pararells a bit more in JoJolion between the two than in Part 5. Giorno and Diavolo didn't have a single encounter until the very end, as well as Giorno's vendetta was more against the concept of Diavolo (evil mafia boss) than against the character himself. But it might also be personal bias, as I really dislike Giorno.
However in general, I don't really like viewing Tooru as the sole main antagonist of JoJolion. Part 8 is very different from the other parts and one of biggest changes compared to any other part, is that JoJolion has not just two sides od the conflift, but three. In SBR we had Diego who acted sorta like a wild card as well as in Golden Wind there's Risotto, but in JoJolion it's much more in depth. We have three main characters wanting the new Locacaca: Josuke, Jobin and Tooru. All three parties share different views, different ideas and all are antagonistic towards the other. It's worthing thinking about the fact that Jobin was also an antagonist to both Josuke and Tooru and I think that's what makes the story so interesting. That's why we had a three way fight in the finale: Yasuho vs Jobin, Tooru vs Jobin and Josuke vs Tooru.
Tooru is the villain of all time.
Agreed, he is a... uhh... villain
I also agree that he is...a villain.
Lololol
When tooru said it is "pursuin' time" i shed in tears
Can phase through walls -> Tries to leave via the lift
What if someone sees him? How is he going to explain it to them? Shouldn't there be security cameras around in a hospital?
Wonder of U is such a great stand idea, I just love the possibilities of the characters
Tooru just would’ve been so much better if he was just introduced earlier so it wasn’t so obvious that he was wonder of u’s user
Im glad that appreciation for tooru happened sooner rather than waiting for the anime. Great video as always
I think the reason why a lot of people did not like toru is because Araki tried something that was way different compared to previous villains, and because this is the 8th part we kind of gotten used to the “main villain” part of the jojo stories
This video is really great tooru feels like the most overhated character in jojo at the moment and I just don't get it his character is different but I think thats one of his strengths
Jojolion in general is overhated
That is what makes part 8 Bizzare. It’s different from the other parts making it special in its own way
Toru is the fundamental antithesis of Josuke. Toru is obsessed with this innate need to have material wealth and power that was ingrained into him genetically as a rock human. He also has an obsession with the past, the things he’s experienced and the dreams he’s had. Josuke doesn’t have a past, and because of that he can’t worry about any future because he doesn’t know what path he’s on. The only thing Josuke knows is the present where he needs to save Holly. He doesn’t care about money, power, or anything. All he wants to do is save one woman’s life. I also think saying Jobin is stuck in the past is a bit weird considering that he’s constantly worried about the future of the Higashikata fruit parlor, what it will take to save, sacrificing his entire present (his dad) to save his son (who is a representative figure of the future) and the business
I don't think Rock humans have an engrained motivation towards wealth and power
Blue Hawaii didn't for eg
They are also described as parasites that take up jobs where they could be absent for a long time
Rather, the motivation isn't really money or power
But power dynamics
As the quintessential "plan B", they(through Urban Guerrilla) see the flaws in plan A
They see the human desire to persist, unlike a rock which is perennial and sturdy
They see human desires as the pitfall
It's the humans that impeded on their territory, cut down trees
Rock humans are parasites but humans are pests, like locusts
By taking advantage of the human nature, they want humans to be "dependent" on them
This isn't simple money or power (though that's important too)
It's about power dynamics and its shift
And also about Toru's legacy in all this
He has worked with a conviction for a long long time towards this
Because as a rock human, he believes that once one dies, all one leaves behind are dreams and memories
I'm sure someone pointed this out already, but Elvis wrote The Wonder of You for his mother.
Ironic, rock humans arent raised by any mother
@@SubjectSigma18 yes
I kinda like Tooru but it would have been better if he was built up to a bit more. Similar to Diavolo
I've always seen jojolion, in its simplest form, as a story about a boy and girl's relationship. Aside from all the deep subtext, Tooru, being the ex-boyfriend, is fitting as the final villain/obstacle for the story and Josuke + Yasuho's relationship.
Tooru is such a great villain the ending where he was disappearing made me love him more cause of how realistic it was and his overall personality>
My favorite jojolion character after joubin and gappy
Araki really tried to make him the main villain man.
Personnaly i really like Tooru, he’s one of the best jojo antagonists
Finally, I’ve talked to like 10 people and all of them said they thought tooru was a bad villain that only had one motive and was just shoved into the end because Araki needed a main villain. Good to see people truly appreciate Tooru
I loved the video. I liked Tooru before, but now, I like it even more
Wonder Of You is my second favorite stand and my second favorite villain. I loved the mystery of "how are you going to defeat this guy without pursuing him?" in the last chapters because you can see the terror the main characters experienced because of it. It was similar to DIO’s and diavolo’s fights but (in my opinion) way scarier because of Wonder Of You’s ability that depended on a character’s pursuit. The attacks were always unexpected because of it, the character’s could predict in what way DIO or Diavolo, (they’ll skip or stop time to hit them with a lethal blow) but Wonder Of You has the character’s dig their own graves the whole time they think about fighting him. I think Tooru was a stronger boss than Diavolo in a way that he knew he was invincible even if he revealed himself, so he has this confidence through out the whole thing that makes him really cool. It’s a passive aggressive antagonist that didn’t fear the main character like every other antagonist did. It felt unique
7:42 Maybe he even wanted proof of his existence. He wanted to know he existed, that's he's different, and isn't just another dead rock in the ground.
I reread Jojolion in preparation for Jojolands and i do think Tooru, while not the greatest Jojo villain, becomes a better antagonist on a second read. Wonder of U was always a terryfying stand and that hasen't changed, but i do think that the Flow of Calamity is the perfect idea for the antagnoist since the concept of "Flow" was introduced by Norisuke in the first half of the story. Tooru himself, while not particularly complex or deep as a character, still has understandable motivations. Yes, money and fame aren't exactly incredible motivations for the main villain, but him wanting to help the rock humans become the superior species after hiding from the humans for centuries does give him a bit of sympathy. There is also the fact that Tooru shined the bringhtest in his very last chapter, with his final monologues and scenes being very well written and interesting. The problem is that he comes just after Funny Valentine, arguably the best main villain of Jojo, and is even overshadowed by Jobin, who has a lot more time to shine compared to him and is a more complex character than him.
But i do think the anime can really improve this by simply teasing him a couple of times. He had the same problem as manga Kira for me, where he kinda appears with little build up after a certain point without too much leading up to him. The anime fixed this part of Kira by simply having small scenes of severed hands in a mysterious house, and having him in the background of some scenes. So when he first appears in the anime, it's like an "oh shit, this is the dude" moment. But even with that, Kira still had half of Part 4 to shine as a character, while Tooru only has the climax of Jojolion. I think the anime can do something similar with Tooru, nothing major, just maybe dropping the word "calamity" a couple of times in the first half and maybe even have a glimps of the Head Doctor/Tooru when they first go to meet Holly at the hospital.
They need to do this carefully though
They cannot and should not show him inside the hospital itself as that would create problems with plot
Toru shouldn't be aware of Josuke's existence until much later, after Damo has died perhaps
If that doesn't happen then the plot of JoJoLion will fall apart
I think the best way to address the core issues is to add something more substantial:
Have Toru and Yasuho talk while it's raining and then hint towards WoU's involvement in past events, particularly with Rai, a bit more
See the thing is, the main problem with reading JoJolion first time around is that the smaller details get ignored
As such, making these more apparent would fix that issue for the first time viewer
So this additional section going over more of their past actions as well as making their motivations more clear(because they're kinda hazy until you reread) would help
We don't need more hints
We don't need more screen time
Just a few scenes with him talking to Yasuho while Josuke is recuperating with rain bullet syndrome
I'm a fan of Elvis songs and I really appreciate that his album name become one of strongest stand's name.
Tooru is a fantastic villain, but the problem I find is that the story itself has a major focus on family and Jobin, an antagonist working towards his family, just dies unceremoniously to Wonder of U. We literally could not accept he died FOR MONTHS because of how unlikely it would seem to have him drop off without a direct confrontation with Josuke. So having Tooru as the main villain just feels wrong, even if he fits into literally every other theme (memories and dreams, flow, curses, the vague line between being one thing or the other) Jojolion has.
the more rock humans get introduced, the less personal and more direct with their goals like Aisho had a business relationship with Jobin, Poor Tom tried to start one but actually betrayed him and Tooru just straight up kills him, I actually like the idea but it feels very jarring since the story is about family
@@SoulBro12 Exactly, the Higashikata family is too involved with the story that everyone had theories about how the family and the rock family would intertwine into the main villain's story. "Caato is a rock human" and "Tooru is related to the Higashikata family" theories floated around for a reason...
Tooru fits wonderfully as the villain imo, his motif is that of the insurmountable force that the other characters are all struggling against. Wonder of U representing the stagnant nature of the universe, and the stand punishes those who attempt to change fate with a calamity of sorts. Jobin was, in the perspective of the story, just a father attempting to save his child. His attack on the Wonder of U and his subsequent death showcased the insurmountable nature of Wonder of U’s presence, and Jobin’s stubbornness to let up on his goals.
The divide between Josuke and Jobin, however, is in acceptance of the Wonder of U’s nature. Whereas Jobin consistently and aggressively fought against the stand and its calamities, Josuke accepted the premise of the stand, and let up on his initial goal of finding out all of his mysteries, opting to rather live his life as Josuke. This imo is the premise for his Go Beyond ability since it accepted, then promptly ignored, the logic of the universe that WOU represented. Josuke’s sense of identity and Tooru’s constant need for an actual identity are the key conflicting aspects of the story, except that the various facets of this are explored through various antagonists throughout the story; showing the difference in circumstance and vices that ultimately led people to seek out an object that changed fate (beit Jobin, the rock humans, or otherwise).
Tooru representing the stagnant nature of the universe and the fact that fate itself cannot be altered, and Josuke’s acceptance of the absurdity within attempting to find his sake of identity, are the two contrasting themes in the story. The entire story is a 'pursuit' of sorts between the characters’ varied goals, and Tooru’s inclusion in the story is a thematic triumph in my honest opinion.
Tooru as a villain is much more manipulative and patient than other villains in JoJo, not showing themselves in some grand display or having some insane grandiose vision of the world, just rather an inhuman being seeking to be human. His presence during the Joseph Joestar portion of the story, aswell as his first encounters with Yasuho, showed that he is an essentially empty person. Sure, Jobin or otherwise is a good antagonist, but Tooru from his place in the story, his character mannerisms, and even his dialogue is superb (also note that he mainly spoke through his stand).
He didn’t throw cool beetle fights or anything, but he was for sure fantastic. Unlike any other we’ve had so far
@@frostyfrenchtoast I interpret Tooru as someone who didn't took the "right path" rather he took no path in life, he wasn't commited to Yasuho nor the Rock Humans(I mean he killed Poor Tom and indirectly killed Dr Wu by telling Josuke where Yasuho is) he's just a passive observer which is a complete contrast to both Jobin and Josuke, Jobin being 101% into his "right path" while Josuke after confronting Holly has finally decided his "right path" which is why both Jobin (through Kaato) and Josuke were the main players in Tooru's defeat
@@SoulBro12 yeah Tooru’s entire character is that he’s devoid of the things that would drive others towards pursuing a kind of goal. The fruit would essentially change him though, which was why he sought it out so badly. That’s a p good analysis and I’m glad Araki chose to make such a unique approach to an antagonist
I just like his drip more or less, he gets a pass on just about anything because awesome stand, straight up lethal.. and teddy bears, froofro.
Jojolion i think is a diffi ult series to appreciate during its run. Now thats its finished and we can read itball in one setting, i beleive it will come off much better
Tooru would kill at monopoly
Video at 00:00: "If you enjoy this video pls-"
Me: "Wait? What did I missed?! Its already over?!"
Tooru's mini afro hits different 🤣. Thanks Araki.
Personally, my only REAL issue with Tooru is just how little we see of him. I really like what we DO see, I just would’ve liked for him to have a lil more screen time
Me too, but I assume they decided to take the Diavolo’s introduction for Tooru. We both knew that Diavolo had a relationship with the pro tags side char. As the father, as with this one for being the ex Bf of Yasuho. And we mostly see them at the end.
So, Tooru Nation, huh? 😍🍄
i find it interesting that every rock human except Tooru has spiky clothing, but Joubin has spiky clothing and is not a rock human.
One thing that should be noted about Tooru is that Araki has since introduction implied that Rock humans were since beginning or turned into parasites. They start their life as parasitoids for wasp untill they reach maturity, and after it they find a person whose life they can steal and leech as long as possible. Rock humans were always depicted acting in their self interest with no concern for others ( aside A. Phex brothers between each other ), and even in their love life were simply caring for their own satisfaction and showing minimal concern for their partners ( Dolomite treating her disabled girlfriend more like a very loved pet than his equal ). Being around Rock humans also brought misery to most they were around, even with Rokaka having horrifying side effects sometimes worst than the disease. Tooru as a main villain is the ultimate form of this parasitism, a person with no strong drive that still claws away everything from other with giving only the bare minimum if even that. His stand literally brings nothing but misfortune reflecting what Tooru does. This was exemplified in the scene where Tooru sees a wasp nest that stirs memories from his youth and proceed to eat them, wasp symbolizing nurture and he thanks them with death. The relationship with Yasuho was also based on exploitation since beginning even when he cared about her genuinely, he was still using her for mostly emotional satisfaction. In the end he did what parasite does best and tried to take even more, but doing so ended up giving someone else everything he had. I think this was what Araki was going for, but feel free to think and talk about it
Toro the only villain to listen to his Stand song while watching the girl he loves scream in pain which is a love song
Psychopathic behaviour right there.
Just finished reading Jojolion. And yes, Tooru isn't the most impactful villain in the series (Most of them are either more interesting or more complex than him) but it doesn't have to be. Part 8 is basically a chorus of all character where everyone plays a role with their own arc and the fact that we don't have a focus on Tooru is compensated by rock humans as a whole and how they are and integral part of a story and share common goals even if they're following them for their own sake. I'd honestly say that the villain here is the organization of rock humans rather than this paricular one who stood up due to the power of its stand and its ambition.
That's why i think part 8 is so different from all the others (and it's a good thing), the focus isn't the final battle where everything is supposed to be wrapped up, on the other hand the final battle is a consequence of all the parallel development arcs (Jobin's ambition, Yasuho's growth, Josuke's mission to save Holly and Tsurugi's ilness). The writing is superb, i just came out from reading it but so far it's S tier
Tooru is kinda awesome to me, with an insane and unique stand ability and while plotting and scheming, isn't trying to take over the world or anything. Isn't that like 90% of why everyone stans Kira?
Toru was trying to take over the world, just not in the usual direct way someone like Kars was.
Toru and the Rock humans control of the rokakaka would have essentially allowed them to create a monopoly over the medical world, a monopoly over life and death itself.
The Rock humans would have inserted themselves into Human society in a way that let them pull the strings without being upfront about it, a Truly Parasitic relationship that makes sure the Rock humans are always in a position of power above Humans, even if it's not overtly obvious
At this rate, I'm starting to wonder if part 9's going to have a global pandemic at some point
Dammit fugo
To be fair stands were caused by a virus so maybe there could be a pandemic of new stand users due to the virus mutating.
Interesting that Tooru who is worried about his life ending at any moment has an ability that can turn anything into a calamity for those that chase him, almost forcing those going after him to empathize with his feeling of paranoia by enforcing it in a weird way.
Tooru's a neat character, but I think I'd prefer him more if Satoru Akefu & Tooru had remained as two individual Rock Humans, with Tooru being the "deputy" of Akefu.
Nah the WoU twist was really good
This is very expected, and araki likes to try new things and therefore he did not repeat an idea he made in part 5
I wouldn’t prefer that, if it was like that the wonder of you would just be a ticket to ride ripoff
well WOnder of U is technically a 2nd individual. Just a stand
Just started this video and I’m just wondering if he brings up the fact that it’s very reasonable that Tooru was actually 89 years old because of the way that Rock Humans age
Is he really 89 years old?
You gotta be kidding me this guy is 89 years old?
I thought he was older cause of aut Joseph encountering him
@@divyamsofat he would be about 19 when Joseph and Lucy saw him, which could be feasible for the start of the Locacaca organization. If he basically walked out of the woods and found out about the Locacaca a few months after assimilating with society, it would make sense for him to be the one harvesting the fruit on his own.
A late post, but I think there is further meaning behind the choosing of The Elvis Presley song ‘The Wonder Of You.’ The song itself, as of my interpretation, is fairly deepened within it’s meaning. Stemming from relationships, the lyrics state ‘I guess I’ll never know the reason why you love me as you do.’ Before stating how that is ‘the wonder of you.’ What this, in all forms of essence, boils down to is a form of self reflection. In the end, we cannot observe ourselves as others are able, we are unaware to the state of our qualities and flaws to their full extent. Thus, it’s a question as of ‘what is right about me that has made this woman fall in love with me?’ Which, in the end, is the wonder of another. The factor that you shall never truly know, it’s a mystery in the end, that you have no form of control over. Which, while it may reflect on Tooru’s relationship, perhaps being self aware as to how of a selfish and manipulative person he is. I believe that it has connections between him and his stand. Tooru is very aware as to just how powerful his stand is, and of how it has gotten him to where he is in life. But such power will have it’s toll on a man. Thus, I believe that the song is Tooru wondering why he is essentially ‘the chosen one.’ He is the rock human that has surpassed many of his kind, he is the rock atop the rest. But he will never know why he was given the stand that brought him to this state. Thus, I believe that ‘Wonder Of U’ is named after Tooru’s reaction to the stand. He will never be aware as to why he was given this fate, it’s simply a wonder.
I like him because he’s a funny rock man
One of my main problems with tooru is that his stand is ridiculously OP but his personality is almost non-existent
All the other antagonists had really strong personalities and wills but I don’t sense that at all from tooru
This Literally shows that u didn’t understand his character
@@hisoka527 well I would very much appreciate it if “”u”” explained his character to me
@@oimate6357 Hopefully after one year you've ascertained...intelligence.
@@oimate6357 His stand (as most stands) is a reflection of himself. He has a clear character that basically can be summarize as a pretender, someone who "understands" how humans interact but can't sincerely engage with it. You can see it with how he talks to Yasuho. At least to me, it felt like an act how he expressed his attraction for her since the first interactions. He is way more honest about himself and how he feels about existing. He sees the world just like someone whose childhood was living inside of wasp queen's would. It is cold and crude. It isn´t crazy that his stand is a perfect fit for survival, more taking into account how in danger his well-being would be if what he is, what he does and how it influences the world he roams gets a spotlight. " Wonder of U " is a fairly logical manifestation for someone like that.
The way I like to explain wonder of U’s ability is very simple
Activation requirement: pursue the user/stand
Ability: calamity and misfortune befall the target
Side effect of ability: the target’s body becomes incredibly weak, able to have a raindrop act like a bullet on them
Tory should have also gotten manipulator, IMO he’s a better manipulator since you can’t really tell when he’s being manipulative due to his personality.
What does tooru predicting wireless charging have to do with anything with his character?
Kinda points him as a not valued genius and is ironic because he died for a bubble that went thru the same energy path he mentions (paisly park)
@@p.affonso6848 1. His genius could have been depicted in a better way. Considering the thought of the idea but had no idea of making into a reality it doesn't show very well he's a genius.
2. Tooru should have no reason to fear the star bubbles at first and it doesn't mean he's an idiot for getting his ass cheeks getting clapped by them. He has no idea Hat Josuke is an 'anime' protagonist who just got his last minute power up or anything in the universe could damage him
3. He immediately reacts to being hit by the first star bubble, trying to use the lokakaka to heal via enterchanging, as he the first bubble was going to cease his life-force quickly if he didn't act, so taking the chance that obladi oblada would cease hat Josuke's life force before he could attack him again was a sacrifice he was willing to take.
4. It could be said that kaato snapping the wonder of U's head off is what actually ceased Tooru's life force and that Wonder of U's body is Fragile similar in concept to The World's bad leg.
Maybe it's to show his influence on the world, like in one way or another everything in this world is influenced by tooru even as weird as wireless charging
As I saw it, Tooru's thing with the wireless charger served two purposes:
Firstly, it shows that he wants to leave an impact on the world. He says he brought up this charging idea to multiple different people before finally giving up from repeated rejections, and we can assume this is part of what gave him his anxiety and anger as it was brought up in the same conversation. By including this in here, it sets up the presentation that Satoru Akefu holds later about the rokakaka being revealed to the public, as a more plot relevant example of Tooru trying to insert himself into the history of the world (a great way to do that is be credited for an invention of course). With the charger and rokakaka together, it kinda gives this idea of his character being one who will "shoot for the stars" in his ideology. This makes sense too because his main goal can be boiled down to standing on the apex of society.
Secondly, it subtly establishes his connection to Yasuho, as the phone theme of course matches Paisley Park (I think this conversation was before the whole backstory with young Yasuho so this is a good first "hint"), and foreshadows his defeat where Yasuho "wirelessly" transports GO BEYOND to him.
Of course there's probably a lot I missed, but I hope sharing what I think of it helps it make a little more sense. As is, I honestly really like the whole phone charger thing, idk even it could just be called a random thing that he said, it sure added more personality to his character than if he had never said anything.
It’s jojo that’s it, it’s the same as dio monolouging about rat shit or like valentine and his napkin
I’ve held off on jojolion videos until I finished reading it. And I’m finally here. Let’s goooooo
It would've been better if Araki
introduced Tooru as one of Josefumi's and Kira's friends and the head doctor as his faceless adoptive grandfather kind of like diavolo. Tooru could help Josuke and Yasuho in the early arc's only appearing when they're in trouble pretending like he can't see or hear stands. Later on when they begin to suspect the head doctor as the main villain it would be a much better reveal when Tooru turns out to be the stand user and his grandfather, the head doctor, IS HIS STAND. Or something like that would've been a little more interesting since Araki was going for a mystery kind of vibe. Tooru's relationship with Yasuho made no sense to the plot line atleast to me it felt that way. Thats why him being josefumi and Kiras friend would make a little more sense.
I honestly have no problems with Tooru, he is a perfect character in the story he was in. A lot of people, rightfully so after reading all the previous parts, expect a big huge arc with the main villain being established half way in. They want a flash back, motivation, sympathy, etc. Do those aspects make good characters? Yes. Do you need them to create a character? No. People expect so much out of him because he is the final villain, what they do no realize is that Tooru is not the main villain at all. It is repeatedly stated throughout the entire story that the Flow of Calamity is the main villain. Tooru is that concept given form.
Every single antagonist in part eight has about the same depth as Tooru. They're supposed to be that way. They're rock humans, they only show fake emotion, they're selfish cunning creatures who blend in and only appear at significant moments. Which is exactly how they're portrayed in the story. Arkai created a world with set goals and created characters to fit those goals. You don't have to like but it is no way bad witting.
It is fine if you do not like them, every one can have their own opinions on whatever they wish. My problem is a lot of those people dislike Tooru without understanding what his purpose is. They're disliking him based on their expectations, now what the story itself needed. If he was in any other part he would be a pretty bad character but he is part eight for a reason, he is the perfect character for part eight.
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Yeah... the hate on Tootu comes from the lack of purpose and connection to the protagonist (or the plot itself); the lack of a narrative or any intrigue related to the plot or ideas presented in the work. Tooru is just a normal filler stand user with a very powerful ability, but with zero narrative interest. Tooru as a main antagonist makes Josuke fight with a random person, and the confrontation and resolution come out of the blue
lol tooru is jojolion itself
@@clorox513 yeah, that's why Jojolion sucks
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The lack of connection to the protagonist or the plot?
But if Tooru is the perfect antagonist for Josuke, he is literally his antithesis, Tooru's only negative is his motivation compared to that of the other antagonists.
Yeah, I get the point of yosuke wanting to be close to people and tooru not wanting, but Araki had 2 years to build a compelling character and didn't. Take Jodio as an example: he also wants to get rich, but already in chapter 2 Araki is giving a deeper motivation on the character. Tooru is not nearly as deep despite having 20% of the whole story focus
For me Tooru is the best villain in the series so far because of how some of his traits reflects back to some main villains of the past parts.
Dio's dream of ruling humanity
Tooru does want to rule humanity but he did it subtly by actually infiltrating first in society and trying to destroy it from within much like how, he and his other fellow rock humans, were running the place in the TG University Hospital.
Kars' obsession on overcoming his one and only weakness.
Tooru's obsession on trying to introduce some sort of new "medicine" to "help" humanity's ailments were all just farce because he only wanted to study the effects of the Rokakakas and also the new Rokakaka by actually using actual humans like Holy to be his "guinea pig" in his study.
Kira's passion on killing innocent women while also maintaining his identity.
We never got to see Tooru _actually_ killing another person physically but because of his ridiculous stand ability, he can kill them without them noticing who or what actually killed them. There's also the fact that no one would actually suspect that an old-man with a walking stick could actually kill anyone let alone get away from the crime itself.
Diavolo's crazy self-identity preservation.
Tooru perfected this by actually having the stand that not only other stand users but also other non-stand users could see as well. The fact that if anything illegal happened in the TG University Hospital and that the Head Doctor of the hospital is to blame, not only Tooru gets away scot-free but also those whose foolish enough to actually pursue the Head Doctor will only lead to some sort of calamity.
Pucci's reverence towards 'gravity'.
As we all know, gravity in the old universe is in fate working its way and that Pucci also obtained a stand that relies heavily on 'gravity'. Meanwhile Tooru, is also in fact able to do such feat as well by manipulating the 'flow' to his advantage. There's also that one statement in Jojolion that the calamity itself is not just any sort of theory but rather it is a _law_.
Valentines way of expressing his patriotism towards his country.
While Tooru may not have any country of which he could hail from, what we do know is that the Rock Humans call the Earth and its wonders such as the Devil's Palm or the Wall Eyes as 'blessings' and that each and every rock humans think that humanity is only scratching the surface of its true natural abilities and also that they are misusing its blessings for such selfish reasons.
This is how I see Tooru as a great main villain imo. He shares some of the traits of past main villains and ramping it to a degree that to us readers of the series could not understand because he does not have that "uniqueness" while in reality he is that unique because he is all the traits personified in the 8th series of Jojo.
do you think part 9's villain could be more connected to the world beyond, as in heaven
I think it'll be highly likely, since the corpse parts are still around now, I don't think it'll be like made in heaven but an entirely different concept of life
Part 7-8 have been way more abstract concepts so I'm very excited to see what the villain's powers gonna be ^_^
I am an alpha Chad
Because I understood Tooru during my first read through
did you... put an ad break as you were mentioning that "some people watching this video might even be having a hard time"
god damn it
Bro we got like 10 years to reread this. There’s so much to unpack we got time.
Tooru is so old he existed at time of Joseph joestar last chapter see it
I personally think thatTooru's an amazing and underrated character.
you totally missed it- tooru isnt absolute evil, nor anywhere near the opposite of josuke (who does awful things to random observers on a whim, remember). tooru isnt doing this *just* to get rich, to get power, to be the top. he's doing it because its the only way that can secure himself a future. thats the whole point of his final speech to caato. the rock that sits above the others has no power to do anything, it can only observe and witness, and DREAM, because even though its above the other rocks, its still utterly powerless to act. its shown as he explained to yasuho in chapter 90, that when he brought his patent for a wireless charger to the tech companies the humans simply wrote him off or even laughed at him. tooru alludes to it again in chapter 83, when yasuho grabs his hand. he remarks her hand is always, always above his own. even tooru's stand doesnt "do" anything. tooru remarks to the audience that all wonder of u does is "wear" calamity around itself. it can direct the flow of misfortune to its target, and nothing more. thats why josuke could still see the clothing of the head doctor after tooru is dead- it was a manifestation of misfortune. all of this ties back to the very meaning of rock human existence- god made them as a fallback. the number two. yasuho always puts her hand above his because in the grand scheme of things, the humans will always take the path above the rock creatures. even from birth, rock humans can only take the path that humans took before, they have to hide themselves within society in order to live, or they must do nothing and solely observe. this also ties in incredibly well with the valentines napkin theory. the reason tooru creates this business, the reason he needs money, is because as he learned about society, he found that the social hierarchy is based upon money. so, in his mind, as long as he gets the most money, he can finally "flip" the order around. a rock human would finally be on the path above humanity, truly free to act of their own will. he could secure his own future, his own dream.
That interpretation is actually quite close to mine as well
Except I didn't think too much about the whole hand on top of hand
I don't think that the order of hand matters
I think it references more so the kind of relationship that they had
My problem with tooru is that we didn’t get that final fight between josuke and tooru. It was more josuke vs wonder of u. You need that final character interaction between the hero and villain to see who’s resolve is stronger. I feel like we never saw tooru fight for what he believed in like we saw every other villain do against the main jojo
Yasuho will be worthless and of course to avoid repetition, and it is also difficult to deal with wou stand that represents Tooru
@@clorox513 I feel like a simple answer for this is for the fight to have been at the higashikata estate in the first place. I feel as if Araki could have written all of the events at the hospital and just let them happen at the estate. There Kei, rai and yasuho can have their interactions with wonder of u and tooru and still have a final bout between josuke and tooru
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I didn't like the idea, and they don't even have a chance Wou, and Kaato will be forgotten...
@@clorox513 not necessarily. All the events at the hospital would still occur so WoU would still gets it’s moment. After that I was thinking tooru and josuke can have a nice little confrontation which is what I wanted and tooru can somehow escape it leading to Kaato still getting the last laugh. It would be a lot of fighting in one sitting but I really think it could’ve worked. Even better yasuho could have straight up fought along josuke in the final battle giving her a bigger moment
Edit: just thought of this after I typed but it also makes tooru and WoU look hella strong fighting all these stand users at once in my fantasy fight
I don’t really like this idea.... the beauty of jojolion is calamity and it would make no sense for josuke to just show up at the estate when it’s said multiple times that calamity would strike him
If Kira Yoshikage (part 4) saw a requiem arrow, got teleported to a different universe if he defeated josuke jotaro and koichi....
Plus if he got teleported to the universe he probably fought Funny Valentine since hes the second character to go to other universe