I think WoU is the only stand in Jojo where Araki's trope of having characters proclaim the perceived invincibility of certain stands is warranted. Dude could literally only be defeated by a stand that, within the canon of Jojo itself, literally doesn't make sense.
2:27- in previous JoJo main villain fights, there was always a possibility throughout of defeating them. The Wonder of U truly feels like a hopeless fight with any hope ultimately not mattering. It takes a miracle to even get a chance of winning and even then it’s a Herculean effort just to landing the finishing blow as the enemy is additionally smart enough to circumvent his weaknesses through tricks.
Dio was basically impossible until Dio somehow trained Star Platinum to awaken its Time Stop (or speed to the point of something like time stop as Pucci proves). Dio just got nervous once and that was it.
@@iantaakalla8180 or you can say that dio's stand being what he thinks is his powers and him being unintentionally be brainwashed by that granny to think his powers was to control time to make it basicly feel like stopped, that made jotaro trough tricks get his own time stop and get stronger because dio also thought star platinum was the same type as his, but in the end dio began to get stronger because he truly believed that he was stronger by getting the blood and the body accepting him to finally unleash his full power, to think he lost because he unintentionally thought deep inside that jotaro could stop time as well, but up to that point jotaro didn't stop time but actually moved on time stop, so dio tricked himself into losing.
What I personally love about this fight is how Josuke stopped looking at WoU as force of nature but as something with a will and takes advantage of that. Instead of giving up and surrendering to Calamity, he makes the "man" behind it come to him. Because Tooru has goals and things he wants to do, he's not as free from consequences as his Stand has made him believe and is lured and brought to Josuke. And also the fact that Josuke talks shit to essentially a godlike entity is so raw. Just starts breaking shit and WoU is like: "You know how much money I could've made from that?" And Josuke just says my shoes cost money too, so idgaf. HE IS HIM!
Fr like if the fight had a impossible chance of winning sure I would try to at least hold him off BUT I CANT EVEN HURT OR STALL HIM CAUSE HES OMNIPRESENT AND CAN INSTANTANEOUSLY GET TO MY FRIENDS AND KILL THEN
Yeah the entire Wonder of U Arc really made me love Gappy as a character and while I wish Tooru was introduced earlier, Wonder of U is one of the coolest stands in Jojo (In a series full of amazing and iconic Stands).
Wonder of U is such an overwhelming force and cool stand (one of my favorite) ! The fight is so different to everything that came before and, just like the character of Tooru, it's only on your second read that you realize how interesting and well executed the whole thing is.
Yeah first Read Tooru and Wonder of U’s inclusion is so random. It’s only after reading again you realize it was behind everything in part 8 and even prior to the story Wonder of U was always present.
@@vanguardRailgun924 well, guy got a stand that is a omnipresent thing that is inescapable and lost to something that is not from this world, makes sense, cannont control or manipulate what doesn't exist.
About the "the group needing to full on retreat", it actually happened before with DIO when the Stardust Cruzaders got to his room, and they jumped out through the window. Of course, they fought just moments later, but they also needed to run away and think of another approach. Aside from that, great video as always.
They're not quite the same In part 3, the retreat was almost instinctual And in part 5 it was a planned retreat to fight another day In part 8 however, they literally just ran out of options
I love how Wonder of U just talks to Josuke so casually,in a purely neutral way. "Umm... so, personally... this is the first time this has happened, so I'm a bit surprised. Only a centimeter away... I mean, I don't think there's ever been someone who's gotten that close to me... without a, you know... calamity occurring. I'm not really... not really sure what happens at one centimeter away... 'cause it's my first time. I don't really understand it either. Seriously." This quote feels so real,the stammering as if he is trying to find words to describe it is SO cool.
*WoU:* I am unironically invincible to all forms of damage due to the laws of nature itself *Gappy:* My stand shoots bubbles! *WoU:* Wow, very cute- *Gappy:* also, that hole in your chest, that was me *WoU:* wait *what the fu-*
I love the duality behind Gappy and Tooru. The man trying to find out who he is vs the guy who actively tries to hide his identity. The man who was accepted by the Higashikata family vs the man who is a literal parasite. The man who fights for his loved ones vs the man who fights only for himself.
Its a themed in all jojo The man who truly is kind vs the man who truly is evil The man who is mortal vs the man who is a immortal The man who fought for their loved one vs the man who fought for their hatred The man who seeks revenge vs the man who seeks peace
19:00 Man this is exactly why I love the fight, and the part as a whole, as it came out. Josuke’s journey from not knowing who he is to having a strong resolve and overcoming a great force that tests that resolution is so human and relatable. For me personally, this ending hit harder than any other JoJo ending so far. I’m so glad people are now starting to come to this realization. I remember when people were saying Wonder of U was the worst final in all of JoJo.
Alongside being the most powerful main antagonist, I like how he also contrasts a lot of the main antagonists, despite being so powerful, ironically has the least ego, he never hyped himself up, the hood guys are doing it for him, and as if his overwhelming power wasn’t enough, he literally has weapons too in the form of the rock insects. Unlike most other final battles too, WoU is the one in the reactionary, where as all other so far have the main Jojos be the reactionary, due to this, he borderline walks away from Josuke once he thinks he might lose It’s not too touched on in this video but I really liked how there are effectively 2 final battles, group against the stand, and Yasuho against the user, but because of the rule where stand and user share damage, their effectively just fighting the same guy in 2 locations Completely unrelated but I really hate how people downplay WoU and Go Beyond to oblivion by saying any one that has an illogical ability can beat WoU(i.e Craft work defies logic so he can beat WoU). Like dude, the very consept of stands, hamon and Araki forgots are all illogical, this form of appeal to reality fallacy isn’t even consist
11:17 Josuke is actually very smart for recognizing this. 17:33 So, I think Araki pulled inspiration from black holes for this bubble concept. He already talked a lot about gravity in part 6. The green baby and the entire ending reflected similar concepts.
I think, with Jotaro technically being a part of the Gappy fusion, that Soft & Wet: Go Beyond is meant to be the Alt. Universe version of Star Platinum: The World, in the same way that The Spin mirrors Hamon. Both users are characters trying to save their mom, facing against Villains who have what are, by their respective points in the series, the strongest Stands in existence. Then, after losing multiple friends in their quest to take this Villain down, the respective Heroes experience a Rage/Resolve amp that unlocks a secret ability of their Stand that they needed someone else to help them realize even exists, and that secret ability is just what they need to tip the scales against their Villain and as a result, their Stand is the one that winds up becoming the new Strongest Stand in the series.
To be fair on main group fleeing to fight another day, that was “King Crimson”, even if it was Bruno and unconscious Trish, they were still overwhelmed enough to need to flee.
All crusaders except for Polnareff had decided to flee instead of fighting Dio at night, and you could also say Bruno gang retreated from the King Crimson attack on Bucciarati because they were not grasping what was threatening them. I mean, the case with the WoU arc is miles more sound that the others, but it still kinda had happened something similar in the past parts.
I imagine it’s like how in Part 3 & 5’s case, King Crimson and The World’s ‘mysterious’ abilities causes the protagonists to temporarily retreat to figure out what is happening. Technically, our protagonists could win if they rolled a Nat 20 on luck twice, even Dio can be bested with an ambush. WoU was so indomitable that they were just forced to flat retreat. There’s legitimately no hope of besting WoU at this time, they had all the information they needed but were simply *outclassed* by orders of magnitude. They didn’t even manage to really confront WoU and just got decimated by it’s passive. If had to put an analogy in how different they feel; King Crimson and The World gives the user the ability to do an extra move every turn or read the opponents mind in Chess, WoU is a loaded perfectly-aimed Barrett M82. Yeah, still odd phrasing though.
Hell yeah more jojolion this is my favorite part of jojo and gappy is my favorite jojo great video. I love the wonder of u fight even if it takes forever at some points the whole concept is pretty cool
Part 8 is my favourite part, josuke is my favourite jojo maybe even my favourite jojo character the only people up there are Okuyasu and Gyro, also I remember hearing araki said that even tho wonder of u is the strongest villian because of calamity he said if he made a villian who could control spin they'd be even more powerful than wonder of u and no character could beat them that's why there's no spin villian (yet)
@@primeoctoberVillain: I have a stand that allows me to wield Spin at the cosmic level! I will alter the very fabric of reality into whatever shape I see fit! JoJo: Oh. It seems we have the same type of stand then.
Something I find interesting is the shift in Araki's villains. Rather than the first universe where all villains had something to do with time The SBR universe villains all have an ability affecting SPACE. Think about it, D4C manipulated dimensions and so did Love Train WoU manipulated the fabric of reality, not time, to cause misfortunes and calamities Yes I know Diego From Another World exists but I'm talking about main, titular villains.
I think Rai represents the continued fight against the inevitable, not because you think you'll win, but because it is the only thing to do. His sacrifice ends up serving as the catalyst for Wonder of U's defeat. There was no hope he'd win, but fighting on none the less resulted in the ultimate victory being had.
I loved a lot about the Wonder of U arc, but spin's return being the most miraculous asspull in the history of JoJo followed up with the absolutely needless death of Kei, followed up with no emotional resolution to Josuke's promise to rescue Holy.... man that really brought the whole Part down a couple letter grades.
I don't really think it's an asspull, it was hinted at earlier Mamezuku himself mentioned how the spinning bubbles are similar to his I think the thing I like about JoJoLion is that unlike say SBR, it doesn't spell out much of anything for you, it's always half open as to what happens That helps in a mystery story, however it's a tough line to walk and JoJoLion's biggest problem comes from occasionally under exposing some of the more important aspects of the story, especially towards the end with Toru and his involvement which is too open imo However, Kei's death wasn't needless For one, it was 100% consistent with what would've happened since she's chasing WoU But moreover, she's the one that both brought the phone over to Josuke to later do the whole explosive bubble through Paisley Park thing while also being the one whose ability was used to demonstrate that, yes, WoU isn't undefeatable That the invisible bubbles can indeed hurt WoU Speaking of the resolution of Holly's story I do disagree with you on it being bad for the story, I personally am neutral towards it and think that this was a decent enough decision (way better than SBR's "he later died of a cold" that happened) Because for one, it's not even a resolution, her condition is still up in the air
@@it6647it wasn't an asspull, but it was unsatisfying, look! Everyone is affected by this stand except the protagonist!, and unlike giorno or johnny who actively worked towards obtaining their ability which was a counter to their opponent's ability, josuke always had the ability which was a counter against wonder of u, he just didn't know about it.
@@mizzix Everyone was still affected by the stand, including Josuke The only reason Josuke was born is because of the Rock humans The only reason Holly is the way she is is because of Toru Him finding a solution at the end doesn't somehow invalidate the journey to reaching there It's also not like Josuke didn't work towards his abilities, he didn't know for example his explosive bubble abilities until after he learnt about it Nor did he learn about his invisible bubbles until after he lost Mamezuku It's still discovery and learning except it's not centred around learning as a tutorial like SBR(personally, this is something kinda have a problem with when it comes to SBR finale as the solution to the problem is discussed beforehand in GYRo's final lesson, so the surprise isn't as weighty) Admittedly, it's quite different from Johnny and Giorno, but I don't really see it as a problem, in fact I don't even see it as convenient either, the dude is as unlikely of a spawn as the new Locacaca, Josuke cannot be replicated because he doesn't exist Even his final ability is only enabled by this fact It's a vastly different approach and the story makes it clear that it is not attempting to replicate the other situations where something similar has happened Now does that mean I have no problems with it? No I think something that should've been covered is Mamezuku discussing with Josuke how his bubbles are spinning lines beforehand so that the final payoff is even better set up than a line that initially seems to be a throwaway Otherwise, I really wouldn't change much here personally The ability is also such that he couldn't have known about it beforehand The only reason he found it out was because of the friendly fire that happened at the end And that friendly fire was Toru's own doing with the whole "1cm away speech" Also, I'm not really arguing with you whether you find it good or not In story telling, what amounts to bugs for some is a feature for others For me, this relative ambiguity is (mostly) a feature, your mileage obviously varied
That's a completely wrong assessment. Go Beyond was setup all the way back in chapter 1 with Yasuho seeing a soap bubble that was only visible through her phone's camera (Paisley Park) and rather than popping, had dissapeared from existence. Mamezuku Rai already started working out the composition of Josuke's bubbles way before they even encountered WoU, in that he realised they were made up of strings. And spin has already been shown to have fate manipulating properties and properties that transcend the normal physical laws of the universe. Josuke was also specifically created via a miracle that was literally born of Tusk act 4's infinite spin due to the Wall Eyes so even his very existence can be traced back to the spin and all of these things are setup before the eventual reveal. If all that aint enough then I don't even know how you can enjoy any reveal as that's a massive amount of setup, it's just subtle enough that you need to of properly been paying attention. So no, not only isn't it, it's actually one of, if not the most well setup mc powerups in the entire series and a testament to Araki's skill as a writer, his only mistake was overestimating his fanbase's reading comprehension. Needless? The entire point of all these side character contributions was to show the cost of doing battle with something as cataclysmic as WoU, there was no other way that was gonna go to begin with, if people didn't drop like flies against such a threat that would be bad writing. How would there be a resolution exactly when there's literally no way of curing her? They didn't ignore it either as Yasuho talked about the fact that there were no Rocacaca fruits in Morioh, an image of Holly flashed up at which point Josuke said that there could be other fruits out there on the islands the plants are from. This clearly implies he's still gonna keep that promise, it would just be literally impossible within the confines of the part. So no, none of the things you mentioned "brought the whole part down a couple letter grades". In fact, given how expertly written the resolution of the WoU fight was, I'd say it raised the overall quality.
we had new rokakaka that lures tooru, we had paper moon king that doesnt trigger WoU due being trap based we had california king bed that can fool tooru to disable his stand we had nut king, homemade rokakaka that can take someones limb they could work together to defeat tooru but rohan sensei decided to make a last minute deus ex machina
Wonder of U is my favorite stand in Jojo after my second read of the arc. I enjoy Tooru as a main villain, he's very smart and probably the smartest antagonist. The Wonder of U fight is top 3 , 2nd under Funny Valentine fight, which Id like to hear you talk about.
Ah, I get it now. Tooru represents the world while Josuke represents Go Beyond. Tooru denying the bullshit that made him bled only for Josuke to say: "As you can see, I am here."
4:36 pretty late here, but this is wrong, because in part 2, Caesar and Joseph, when fighting the pillarmen for the first time, they made a deal with the pillarmen to let them get stronger in a month for Joseph and Caesar to fight them.
Wonder of U: *Complete walks over everyone in the part just because.* Also Wonder of U: *Gets hit once.* “Nah man I gotta dip.” 17:10 Also that Image goes hard with the Jotaro theme.
I feel like wou is going to be this reouccurring antagonist, like dio is, and villains will start to worship calamity and what it brings, potentially making it stronger. And gappy wont be able to defeat it anymore. And ig thats where jodio comes in? Idk.
@demon_hawkeye5269 and to be fair this is not what I want for the future of Jojo. I want every story to have their own character development and plot line with their own main villain. I think the jojolands villain is going to be an animal, either a talking chimp or something else related to a human
It might not be the last part, but it will be the last one written by Araki, as he said that he wants to retire. Someone MIGHT pick up the torch.@@demon_hawkeye5269
Not really since king crimson can solo part 5 if requiem arrow did not exist and from what i can tell the requiem arrow can literally develop a stand that can counter basically any particular stand if during the merging the user wishes to therefore with the requiem arrow giorno could just make golden expereince defy logic
its visually and contextually hard to follow sometimes but I still think this is the best Jojo fight like of all time, its so insanely hype and we've never seen any Jojo taking a beating like Jo2uke did in that hospital, the fact that he got up like 3 times had me actually jumping out of my chair
Wait does that mean, joseph joestar won because Wonder of U, because it doesnt care about good or evil. Damn, that was a cool way to destroy any plot holes.
Didn't the Stardust Crusaders frantically start running away the instant they didn't understand Dio's abilities? Like, they flung themselves out of a window.
This makes me think: prior to the beginning of part 8, did someone pursue Wonder of U, causing the calamity of the tsunami/earthquake, which in turn caused the Wall Eyes?
The best way I like to see the fight in a metoprical sense is Everything (WOU) vs nothing (SAW). It's the battle of two different sides of the same coin.
The Jostar secret family technique is used in part 2, so this isn’t the first time a hero party has decided to run away because they couldn’t fight the threat.
But each time they "ran away" it was part of an overall battle strategy, this was literally the characters running away because they had no idea how to fight the villain and thus had to run or die.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 While being shot into the air from the volcano explosion, Joseph makes it clear that he wasn’t planning any of it. While you could argue Joseph may have planned a lot of the situation, it’s at least clear the rest of the party has no idea how to beat Kars.
@@SolomonPleasent he absolutely planned the part where he ran away, since he immediatley got in the plane, and it was made very clear him running away was to lead Kars away, then the crashing into the volcano was also planned, the part that wasn't was the stuff after that failed, but none of that had anything to do with him running away.
I don't think he's a zeppeli, he's been in nature alot I mean he literally lives hidden from society and the spin is something natural in nature. He sees that Josukes bubbles are a string that spins. I think he connected the dots from his experiences.
Step One, have a willing sacrifice. Step two, have willing sacrifice chase after the guy. Step three, witness the sacrifice's immediate death. Step four, witness the beauty of just Torru's pants. Step 5 Pursue solely the pants that guy is wearing, but not the guy himself. Step Six, ask Dio to Stop time and remove pants forecibly from this man along with his thighs. Step Seven, time stops, pants drop, Torru's torso drops, Wonder of U says "Aight Imma head out", never pursued. Thanks for coming to my StandTalk.
With that same logic, Funny Valentine's D4C should be able to beat WoU aswell. He can bring elements from other realities which don't technically exist in WoU's realm?
Not exactly, it's not the idea of not existing in one universe that defeated WoU, it's the fact that Go Beyond's bubbles logically doesn't exist. The alternate stuff Valentine has, does.
wym the main group doesnt run away in jojo that was Joesph's whole things in pt 2 'RUN AWAYYYYY' he bargained for his life with the villains cuz he was screwed XD
I think WoU is the only stand in Jojo where Araki's trope of having characters proclaim the perceived invincibility of certain stands is warranted. Dude could literally only be defeated by a stand that, within the canon of Jojo itself, literally doesn't make sense.
Go Beyond doesn't make sense in the most logical and well written way possible and I love it to death lmao.
If the world of JoJo had a SourceGod:
"Why didn't I get any Error messages? How is THAT even working?!"
XD
@@Ramsey276one😂
They deadass just retconned his bubbles as spinning string so thin it's practically isn't exist within our universe like WHAT ?! 😂
@@ShatteredGlass916it was kinda foreshadowed at the ski lift part but mamezuke never brought it up again
I like how Torru deduced that "nothing can hit him", just so Gappy can roll up to him with a bubble of basically nothing.
WoU: "your victory is nonexistent"
S&W: "ah yes, of course" *blows a nonexistent bubble*
He just hit him with the physical manifestation of a -1 or -0
The Bubble of Nonexistence
Hit with division by 0
"Nothing can hit him!"
"Bet."
WoU: MY STAND CAN BE HIT BY NOTHING!
Josuke, with a bubble made of nothing:
Bad phrasing, pal.
Spinning nothing!
"NOTHING CAN HIT MY STAND!"
Wou IS the stand.damn it
2:27- in previous JoJo main villain fights, there was always a possibility throughout of defeating them. The Wonder of U truly feels like a hopeless fight with any hope ultimately not mattering. It takes a miracle to even get a chance of winning and even then it’s a Herculean effort just to landing the finishing blow as the enemy is additionally smart enough to circumvent his weaknesses through tricks.
Dio was basically impossible until Dio somehow trained Star Platinum to awaken its Time Stop (or speed to the point of something like time stop as Pucci proves). Dio just got nervous once and that was it.
@@iantaakalla8180 or you can say that dio's stand being what he thinks is his powers and him being unintentionally be brainwashed by that granny to think his powers was to control time to make it basicly feel like stopped, that made jotaro trough tricks get his own time stop and get stronger because dio also thought star platinum was the same type as his, but in the end dio began to get stronger because he truly believed that he was stronger by getting the blood and the body accepting him to finally unleash his full power, to think he lost because he unintentionally thought deep inside that jotaro could stop time as well, but up to that point jotaro didn't stop time but actually moved on time stop, so dio tricked himself into losing.
What I personally love about this fight is how Josuke stopped looking at WoU as force of nature but as something with a will and takes advantage of that. Instead of giving up and surrendering to Calamity, he makes the "man" behind it come to him. Because Tooru has goals and things he wants to do, he's not as free from consequences as his Stand has made him believe and is lured and brought to Josuke. And also the fact that Josuke talks shit to essentially a godlike entity is so raw. Just starts breaking shit and WoU is like: "You know how much money I could've made from that?" And Josuke just says my shoes cost money too, so idgaf. HE IS HIM!
Josuke is literally the meme of the indomitable human spirit personified 😭
it's literally a main theme of the entire series
Fr like if the fight had a impossible chance of winning sure I would try to at least hold him off BUT I CANT EVEN HURT OR STALL HIM CAUSE HES OMNIPRESENT AND CAN INSTANTANEOUSLY GET TO MY FRIENDS AND KILL THEN
How fitting since this contrasts with Tooru hiding behind rock insects and calamities.
And thats why i love jojos all of it is just an indomitable human spirit themed
Yeah the entire Wonder of U Arc really made me love Gappy as a character and while I wish Tooru was introduced earlier, Wonder of U is one of the coolest stands in Jojo (In a series full of amazing and iconic Stands).
Agreed !
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Wonder of U is such an overwhelming force and cool stand (one of my favorite) ! The fight is so different to everything that came before and, just like the character of Tooru, it's only on your second read that you realize how interesting and well executed the whole thing is.
Yeah first Read Tooru and Wonder of U’s inclusion is so random. It’s only after reading again you realize it was behind everything in part 8 and even prior to the story Wonder of U was always present.
@@vanguardRailgun924 well, guy got a stand that is a omnipresent thing that is inescapable and lost to something that is not from this world, makes sense, cannont control or manipulate what doesn't exist.
About the "the group needing to full on retreat", it actually happened before with DIO when the Stardust Cruzaders got to his room, and they jumped out through the window. Of course, they fought just moments later, but they also needed to run away and think of another approach.
Aside from that, great video as always.
There also in the part 5 when the first encouter with diavolo happen
They're not quite the same
In part 3, the retreat was almost instinctual
And in part 5 it was a planned retreat to fight another day
In part 8 however, they literally just ran out of options
Part 2:
@@Gyokuro_Ch.4801 Joseph: I'm gonna say the N word!
@@siggysaurdough6235 *NIGERUNDAYOO!!!!*
I love how Wonder of U just talks to Josuke so casually,in a purely neutral way.
"Umm... so, personally... this is the first time this has happened, so I'm a bit surprised. Only a centimeter away... I mean, I don't think there's ever been someone who's gotten that close to me... without a, you know... calamity occurring. I'm not really... not really sure what happens at one centimeter away... 'cause it's my first time. I don't really understand it either. Seriously." This quote feels so real,the stammering as if he is trying to find words to describe it is SO cool.
"Nothing can hurt me"
Bubble named nothing
Stand named King Nothing:
@@ScoutScottSouthGood thing Jobin took that out of the equation beforehand! Like one big game of rock paper scissors!
*WoU:* I am unironically invincible to all forms of damage due to the laws of nature itself
*Gappy:* My stand shoots bubbles!
*WoU:* Wow, very cute-
*Gappy:* also, that hole in your chest, that was me
*WoU:* wait *what the fu-*
Wonder Of You without verse equalisation:🐱
Wonder Of You WITH verse equilisation:💀
I love the duality behind Gappy and Tooru.
The man trying to find out who he is vs the guy who actively tries to hide his identity.
The man who was accepted by the Higashikata family vs the man who is a literal parasite.
The man who fights for his loved ones vs the man who fights only for himself.
Its a themed in all jojo
The man who truly is kind vs the man who truly is evil
The man who is mortal vs the man who is a immortal
The man who fought for their loved one vs the man who fought for their hatred
The man who seeks revenge vs the man who seeks peace
@@Worktodeath2Funnily enough that last one applies to Weather and Pucci lol
19:00 Man this is exactly why I love the fight, and the part as a whole, as it came out. Josuke’s journey from not knowing who he is to having a strong resolve and overcoming a great force that tests that resolution is so human and relatable. For me personally, this ending hit harder than any other JoJo ending so far.
I’m so glad people are now starting to come to this realization. I remember when people were saying Wonder of U was the worst final in all of JoJo.
I love Wonder of U, I'm sure all of us Jojolion fans (about 12) appreciate this video!!
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I'm number 12
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Count me in too! I still remember the time when no one even knew of our or JoJolion's existence. Good old times...
I guess I'm 14
Alongside being the most powerful main antagonist, I like how he also contrasts a lot of the main antagonists, despite being so powerful, ironically has the least ego, he never hyped himself up, the hood guys are doing it for him, and as if his overwhelming power wasn’t enough, he literally has weapons too in the form of the rock insects.
Unlike most other final battles too, WoU is the one in the reactionary, where as all other so far have the main Jojos be the reactionary, due to this, he borderline walks away from Josuke once he thinks he might lose
It’s not too touched on in this video but I really liked how there are effectively 2 final battles, group against the stand, and Yasuho against the user, but because of the rule where stand and user share damage, their effectively just fighting the same guy in 2 locations
Completely unrelated but I really hate how people downplay WoU and Go Beyond to oblivion by saying any one that has an illogical ability can beat WoU(i.e Craft work defies logic so he can beat WoU). Like dude, the very consept of stands, hamon and Araki forgots are all illogical, this form of appeal to reality fallacy isn’t even consist
11:17
Josuke is actually very smart for recognizing this.
17:33
So, I think Araki pulled inspiration from black holes for this bubble concept. He already talked a lot about gravity in part 6. The green baby and the entire ending reflected similar concepts.
I think, with Jotaro technically being a part of the Gappy fusion, that Soft & Wet: Go Beyond is meant to be the Alt. Universe version of Star Platinum: The World, in the same way that The Spin mirrors Hamon.
Both users are characters trying to save their mom, facing against Villains who have what are, by their respective points in the series, the strongest Stands in existence. Then, after losing multiple friends in their quest to take this Villain down, the respective Heroes experience a Rage/Resolve amp that unlocks a secret ability of their Stand that they needed someone else to help them realize even exists, and that secret ability is just what they need to tip the scales against their Villain and as a result, their Stand is the one that winds up becoming the new Strongest Stand in the series.
To be fair on main group fleeing to fight another day, that was “King Crimson”, even if it was Bruno and unconscious Trish, they were still overwhelmed enough to need to flee.
Another Wonder Of U video, sick
Imagine tryna get treatment from the head doctor, then just dying cause you were pursuing him
WoU: *Shit.*
Tooru: Dammit Wonder, not again.
But does it beat beetle tendency?
Nothing will be as good as Beetle Tendency.
Josuke and WoU should've duked it out with beetles.
You just know WoU probably has some form of beetle-adjacent Rock insect in his coat somewhere.
@@Pinnaporaptor the beetle also manipulates calamity, so its just a beetle getting thrashed while another just stands there.
@@ProjektTakuoh my god, Wonder Of U has Wonder Of U.
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This is my favourite fight in jojo thank you for doing this!
I’d love if you made a best fight of every part video, that’d be super interesting. With most parts there’d be so many to choose from
All crusaders except for Polnareff had decided to flee instead of fighting Dio at night, and you could also say Bruno gang retreated from the King Crimson attack on Bucciarati because they were not grasping what was threatening them. I mean, the case with the WoU arc is miles more sound that the others, but it still kinda had happened something similar in the past parts.
I imagine it’s like how in Part 3 & 5’s case, King Crimson and The World’s ‘mysterious’ abilities causes the protagonists to temporarily retreat to figure out what is happening. Technically, our protagonists could win if they rolled a Nat 20 on luck twice, even Dio can be bested with an ambush.
WoU was so indomitable that they were just forced to flat retreat. There’s legitimately no hope of besting WoU at this time, they had all the information they needed but were simply *outclassed* by orders of magnitude. They didn’t even manage to really confront WoU and just got decimated by it’s passive.
If had to put an analogy in how different they feel; King Crimson and The World gives the user the ability to do an extra move every turn or read the opponents mind in Chess, WoU is a loaded perfectly-aimed Barrett M82.
Yeah, still odd phrasing though.
The moral is that if someone try's to control fate, it's always gonna backfire on them.
5:16 has inspired me to want to persue dancing for a living, thank you im glad i seen this video
I don’t know if anyone wanted to know this but the music that plays throughout 0:09 - 0:14 is HOLLOW HUNGER by OxT
Yes I know already. But thanks
Hell yeah more jojolion this is my favorite part of jojo and gappy is my favorite jojo great video. I love the wonder of u fight even if it takes forever at some points the whole concept is pretty cool
Nuh uh, gappy AND Joseph had to “get the fuck out of there” because of the villain
Part 8 is my favourite part, josuke is my favourite jojo maybe even my favourite jojo character the only people up there are Okuyasu and Gyro, also I remember hearing araki said that even tho wonder of u is the strongest villian because of calamity he said if he made a villian who could control spin they'd be even more powerful than wonder of u and no character could beat them that's why there's no spin villian (yet)
A villain that could control spin could still be beaten, cause remember the only thing that can cancel out the spin is an opposite force of spin
@@primeoctoberVillain: I have a stand that allows me to wield Spin at the cosmic level! I will alter the very fabric of reality into whatever shape I see fit!
JoJo: Oh. It seems we have the same type of stand then.
When you're villain is effectively the weaponized version of Murphy's Law, and it's Intent Triggered.
Something I find interesting is the shift in Araki's villains.
Rather than the first universe where all villains had something to do with time
The SBR universe villains all have an ability affecting SPACE.
Think about it, D4C manipulated dimensions and so did Love Train
WoU manipulated the fabric of reality, not time, to cause misfortunes and calamities
Yes I know Diego From Another World exists but I'm talking about main, titular villains.
All villains can control/avoid fate.
I think Rai represents the continued fight against the inevitable, not because you think you'll win, but because it is the only thing to do. His sacrifice ends up serving as the catalyst for Wonder of U's defeat. There was no hope he'd win, but fighting on none the less resulted in the ultimate victory being had.
I loved a lot about the Wonder of U arc, but spin's return being the most miraculous asspull in the history of JoJo followed up with the absolutely needless death of Kei, followed up with no emotional resolution to Josuke's promise to rescue Holy.... man that really brought the whole Part down a couple letter grades.
I don't really think it's an asspull, it was hinted at earlier
Mamezuku himself mentioned how the spinning bubbles are similar to his
I think the thing I like about JoJoLion is that unlike say SBR, it doesn't spell out much of anything for you, it's always half open as to what happens
That helps in a mystery story, however it's a tough line to walk and JoJoLion's biggest problem comes from occasionally under exposing some of the more important aspects of the story, especially towards the end with Toru and his involvement which is too open imo
However, Kei's death wasn't needless
For one, it was 100% consistent with what would've happened since she's chasing WoU
But moreover, she's the one that both brought the phone over to Josuke to later do the whole explosive bubble through Paisley Park thing while also being the one whose ability was used to demonstrate that, yes, WoU isn't undefeatable
That the invisible bubbles can indeed hurt WoU
Speaking of the resolution of Holly's story
I do disagree with you on it being bad for the story, I personally am neutral towards it and think that this was a decent enough decision (way better than SBR's "he later died of a cold" that happened)
Because for one, it's not even a resolution, her condition is still up in the air
@@it6647it wasn't an asspull, but it was unsatisfying, look! Everyone is affected by this stand except the protagonist!, and unlike giorno or johnny who actively worked towards obtaining their ability which was a counter to their opponent's ability, josuke always had the ability which was a counter against wonder of u, he just didn't know about it.
@@mizzix Everyone was still affected by the stand, including Josuke
The only reason Josuke was born is because of the Rock humans
The only reason Holly is the way she is is because of Toru
Him finding a solution at the end doesn't somehow invalidate the journey to reaching there
It's also not like Josuke didn't work towards his abilities, he didn't know for example his explosive bubble abilities until after he learnt about it
Nor did he learn about his invisible bubbles until after he lost Mamezuku
It's still discovery and learning except it's not centred around learning as a tutorial like SBR(personally, this is something kinda have a problem with when it comes to SBR finale as the solution to the problem is discussed beforehand in GYRo's final lesson, so the surprise isn't as weighty)
Admittedly, it's quite different from Johnny and Giorno, but I don't really see it as a problem, in fact I don't even see it as convenient either, the dude is as unlikely of a spawn as the new Locacaca, Josuke cannot be replicated because he doesn't exist
Even his final ability is only enabled by this fact
It's a vastly different approach and the story makes it clear that it is not attempting to replicate the other situations where something similar has happened
Now does that mean I have no problems with it?
No
I think something that should've been covered is Mamezuku discussing with Josuke how his bubbles are spinning lines beforehand so that the final payoff is even better set up than a line that initially seems to be a throwaway
Otherwise, I really wouldn't change much here personally
The ability is also such that he couldn't have known about it beforehand
The only reason he found it out was because of the friendly fire that happened at the end
And that friendly fire was Toru's own doing with the whole "1cm away speech"
Also, I'm not really arguing with you whether you find it good or not
In story telling, what amounts to bugs for some is a feature for others
For me, this relative ambiguity is (mostly) a feature, your mileage obviously varied
That's a completely wrong assessment.
Go Beyond was setup all the way back in chapter 1 with Yasuho seeing a soap bubble that was only visible through her phone's camera (Paisley Park) and rather than popping, had dissapeared from existence. Mamezuku Rai already started working out the composition of Josuke's bubbles way before they even encountered WoU, in that he realised they were made up of strings. And spin has already been shown to have fate manipulating properties and properties that transcend the normal physical laws of the universe. Josuke was also specifically created via a miracle that was literally born of Tusk act 4's infinite spin due to the Wall Eyes so even his very existence can be traced back to the spin and all of these things are setup before the eventual reveal. If all that aint enough then I don't even know how you can enjoy any reveal as that's a massive amount of setup, it's just subtle enough that you need to of properly been paying attention. So no, not only isn't it, it's actually one of, if not the most well setup mc powerups in the entire series and a testament to Araki's skill as a writer, his only mistake was overestimating his fanbase's reading comprehension.
Needless? The entire point of all these side character contributions was to show the cost of doing battle with something as cataclysmic as WoU, there was no other way that was gonna go to begin with, if people didn't drop like flies against such a threat that would be bad writing.
How would there be a resolution exactly when there's literally no way of curing her? They didn't ignore it either as Yasuho talked about the fact that there were no Rocacaca fruits in Morioh, an image of Holly flashed up at which point Josuke said that there could be other fruits out there on the islands the plants are from. This clearly implies he's still gonna keep that promise, it would just be literally impossible within the confines of the part.
So no, none of the things you mentioned "brought the whole part down a couple letter grades". In fact, given how expertly written the resolution of the WoU fight was, I'd say it raised the overall quality.
we had new rokakaka that lures tooru, we had paper moon king that doesnt trigger WoU due being trap based
we had california king bed that can fool tooru to disable his stand
we had nut king, homemade rokakaka that can take someones limb
they could work together to defeat tooru but rohan sensei decided to make a last minute deus ex machina
"nothing can hit me, im invincible!"
"what if i pull up with nothing?"
"what are you talking ab- oh wait"
No other villian made the main group run away:part 6 am I a joke to you??
And part 5… at mid point.
3rd at end part….
And 2nd’s end part……..
Where else? 🤔
If stands were capable of thinking, or talking to eachother, imagine how fucking triumphant S&W felt
Didn't Giorno's group leave after fighting diavalo the first time
@BaerenTelevisionforgot pucci
Remember guys the whole reason this video is possible is because of a drunk carriage driver
Wonder of U is my favorite stand in Jojo after my second read of the arc. I enjoy Tooru as a main villain, he's very smart and probably the smartest antagonist.
The Wonder of U fight is top 3 , 2nd under Funny Valentine fight, which Id like to hear you talk about.
GAPPY SITTIN ON THAT CHAIR AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! PEAK FICTION GOAT RAW FIRE HES HIMMMMMM!!!!
Ah, I get it now. Tooru represents the world while Josuke represents Go Beyond.
Tooru denying the bullshit that made him bled only for Josuke to say: "As you can see, I am here."
This fight single handedly made part 8 my fave part
I always feel like Go Beyond was inspired by string theory
Josuke and Holy's interaction in the hospital is easily my favorite moment in JoJo. It just hits different on so many levels.
4:36 pretty late here, but this is wrong, because in part 2, Caesar and Joseph, when fighting the pillarmen for the first time, they made a deal with the pillarmen to let them get stronger in a month for Joseph and Caesar to fight them.
This is actually making me tear up… Peak fiction man
im just so hyped for the JojoLands Main Villan and his stand. Wonder what Araki has in mind
4:39 the stardust crusaders ran from dio by jumping out of the window of his castle
4:41 the entirety of battle tendency is about running away to fight at a better time though
Wonder of U: *Complete walks over everyone in the part just because.*
Also Wonder of U: *Gets hit once.* “Nah man I gotta dip.”
17:10 Also that Image goes hard with the Jotaro theme.
I've watched 2 videos from you so far yet I'm hooked, you earn a sub.
I feel like wou is going to be this reouccurring antagonist, like dio is, and villains will start to worship calamity and what it brings, potentially making it stronger. And gappy wont be able to defeat it anymore. And ig thats where jodio comes in? Idk.
I don't think that's gonna happen as part 9 is likely gonna be the last part.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 we don't know this for sure though.
@demon_hawkeye5269 and to be fair this is not what I want for the future of Jojo. I want every story to have their own character development and plot line with their own main villain. I think the jojolands villain is going to be an animal, either a talking chimp or something else related to a human
It might not be the last part, but it will be the last one written by Araki, as he said that he wants to retire. Someone MIGHT pick up the torch.@@demon_hawkeye5269
@@BL00DYMERCURYarakis in his 60s now and if jojolands goes on as long as jojolion then it probably will be
this is a good fight but....
"The flow of things will always lead to calamity"
wonder of u is the stand diavolo wish he had
Not really since king crimson can solo part 5 if requiem arrow did not exist and from what i can tell the requiem arrow can literally develop a stand that can counter basically any particular stand if during the merging the user wishes to therefore with the requiem arrow giorno could just make golden expereince defy logic
Bruh what’s the ost at 11:09, imagine not putting songs in descriptions 😭
4:50 so Joseph's famous retreat in part 2 doesn't count, eh? :D
Nope, because that was always part of an overall battle strategy, this was plain running for their lives with no plan.
its visually and contextually hard to follow sometimes but I still think this is the best Jojo fight like of all time, its so insanely hype and we've never seen any Jojo taking a beating like Jo2uke did in that hospital, the fact that he got up like 3 times had me actually jumping out of my chair
This makes think that Jodio's November Rain will be beyond logic and become a concept
Wait does that mean, joseph joestar won because Wonder of U, because it doesnt care about good or evil. Damn, that was a cool way to destroy any plot holes.
One of the most op things about Wonder of U is that when your fighting it any thing that can go wrong will go wrong
Please please tell me the piano music from 8:00
Endless - Suki
I caught that overlord intro, the 4th one specifically lol, great song I listen to sometimes
Jobin dying made me sad but made sense like sure. Kei dying was like OMG WHY NO
This is my personal favorite fight in the series
Anybody else notice the noise from the tripods in war of the worlds there at the beginning?
Beetle fight is best fight in Jojolion, not sorry.
I don't agree but I love the beetle fight enough to absolutely respect that take.
what would happen if vanilla ice used cream agenst wonder of u because cream is just a ball of nothing
Didn't the Stardust Crusaders frantically start running away the instant they didn't understand Dio's abilities?
Like, they flung themselves out of a window.
8:56 Manly in the most flamboyant way possible.
This makes me think: prior to the beginning of part 8, did someone pursue Wonder of U, causing the calamity of the tsunami/earthquake, which in turn caused the Wall Eyes?
Hearing this makes me wonder if you have heard the “One Bullet” theory?
I know I sound like a broken record but…89 years old?
one of the craziest act 3 araki has ever written.
Random question but what is your opinion on what abilities would Risotto’s stand metalica would have?
@METAs would you cover the dualIty specifically between touru and gappy/kira/josefumi.
basically bubbles from 4th dimension
tooru: NOTHING CAN HIT ME
Tooru:NOOOOOOOOO
Purple haze could stand a chance against wou. That stand doesn't discriminate it's existence is chaos itself.
I wonder if Wonder of U could appear in the future since it is just energy itself afterall.
Toorus hair looks like a fancy steak
I am rn on 0:17 and before finishing the vid let me say
The intro having overlord opening song is just 🥶
shoulda called the stand "Final Destination" tbh
The best way I like to see the fight in a metoprical sense is
Everything (WOU) vs nothing (SAW). It's the battle of two different sides of the same coin.
The Jostar secret family technique is used in part 2, so this isn’t the first time a hero party has decided to run away because they couldn’t fight the threat.
But each time they "ran away" it was part of an overall battle strategy, this was literally the characters running away because they had no idea how to fight the villain and thus had to run or die.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 While being shot into the air from the volcano explosion, Joseph makes it clear that he wasn’t planning any of it. While you could argue Joseph may have planned a lot of the situation, it’s at least clear the rest of the party has no idea how to beat Kars.
@@SolomonPleasent he absolutely planned the part where he ran away, since he immediatley got in the plane, and it was made very clear him running away was to lead Kars away, then the crashing into the volcano was also planned, the part that wasn't was the stuff after that failed, but none of that had anything to do with him running away.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 Fair enough.
I don't think he's a zeppeli, he's been in nature alot I mean he literally lives hidden from society and the spin is something natural in nature. He sees that Josukes bubbles are a string that spins. I think he connected the dots from his experiences.
13:42 So you mean to tell me that Alaskan Airline is a Jojo reference
Pretty much lol
Jojo series is 1 of the best series ever for me 🎉
Step One, have a willing sacrifice. Step two, have willing sacrifice chase after the guy. Step three, witness the sacrifice's immediate death. Step four, witness the beauty of just Torru's pants. Step 5 Pursue solely the pants that guy is wearing, but not the guy himself. Step Six, ask Dio to Stop time and remove pants forecibly from this man along with his thighs. Step Seven, time stops, pants drop, Torru's torso drops, Wonder of U says "Aight Imma head out", never pursued. Thanks for coming to my StandTalk.
Lol
I love this fight 'cause he is very different of the others and the character developpement is insane
I thinks is in my top 3 jojo fights
late to the vid but thought i'd mention that the part 5 crew had to retreat from diavolo so the part 8 squad was not the first to retreat.
With that same logic, Funny Valentine's D4C should be able to beat WoU aswell. He can bring elements from other realities which don't technically exist in WoU's realm?
Not exactly, it's not the idea of not existing in one universe that defeated WoU, it's the fact that Go Beyond's bubbles logically doesn't exist. The alternate stuff Valentine has, does.
Whats the piano track in the background
wym the main group doesnt run away in jojo that was Joesph's whole things in pt 2 'RUN AWAYYYYY' he bargained for his life with the villains cuz he was screwed XD
Do i hear the theme song from Overlord season 4
bro said
" Nah, I'd win "
WOTW 2005 Tripod Horn in the intro
Is it s&w go beyond because its nothing, or is it nothing because its s&w go beyond?
Hey its him
The guy who just learned the word asinine