Spin user : Throws one ball to figure out some weird statue guy's abilities Pillar man : "Thats a very interesting technique, but I see some room for improvement". - uses body manipulation to make a bunch of spherical flesh balls that all use the spin, and are aimed at the spin user. Spin user : W H A T
@@remixtheidiot5771the one from Earthbound or the one from Dark Souls. Because Earthbound is the meme and all, but there is nothing better at bringing out the feeling of being outclassed like the Dark Souls Sound Tracks
It just shows how ridiculously impressive how prime Joseph was able to contest and defeat these monsters/Aztec gods with strength and speed rivalling the strongest stands, without instantly losing.
They got jumped kind of it wasn't a 1 on 1 plus Joseph had tricks up his sleeve with help from other people if all three of them stuck together they would have destroyed the crew
Ball Breaker aged Valentine due to the huge amount of gravity it has. Spining produces gravity, infinite spin basically is infinite mass, technically replicating a black hole if you think about it
@@grynnlecoprolithecosmique585 Dude could 100% shoot his finger nails too, probably turn them into some horrifically overpowered combination of natural traits just to top it off too
Have this man Kars extend his Arm Blades and then get hit with that Golden Ratio. Forget being the Ultimate Life Form, the Ultimate Beyblade will truly be unstoppable!!!!
Here’s a thought that’s headcannony as hell but still scary. Seeing as the Spin is based heavily in Nature and the Pillar Men are very aware and powerful in that regard they could take one look at someone throwing a ball and make the connections and replicate it themselves, especially for someone like Kars who flexed on Joseph with Hamon the moment he went Ultimate so it wouldn’t be out of like for them to produce the Spin
I always thought they can't regenerate damage caused the the sun/Hamon. That was the rule for everybody. That's why vanilla ice dies in part 3. that's why Esidi doesn't grow his limbs back. That's why Dio can't save his body in part 3. UV is seen as an imperfect replication of the sun's abilities, as opposed to Hamon or the actual sun, which are guaranteed to irreversibly harm a vampire/pillar man. Of course all of this goes to hell when ultimate Kars happens, but that's a one-off case.
@@astrobonk Depending on the degree of damage, the Pillars can heal from sun or Hamon. Wamuu is seen healing his wounds after his battle with Caesar, where he got multiple welts all over his body from the Bubble Lens technique. More extensive damage takes longer to heal though, and in Esidisi's case growing a new arm might have been either impossible or very VERY slow, so attaching and assimilating the human arm was a better option
I theorise hamon combined with the perfect ratio would boost the sunlight infinitely to the point at the attack would be an equivalent of a white hole.
If the pillar men weren’t specifically written to only be even remotely vulnerable to sunlight and hamon then ball breaker could probably clap them. The thing is, it’s pretty specifically stated that they can only be killed by hamon or put out of commission by sunlight. It’s like the defense version of a no-limits fallacy. The big chance that a spin user would have against a pillar man would be to figure out a way to launch him into space or manipulate the orbit of the earth in a way to force them to face the sun which are theoretically sort of possible for spin users. That would require immediate knowledge of weaknesses going into the fight though.
The thing is, that while is true that the spin user could try to figure out other ways to defeat the pillar men, they simply have fewer win conditions than the pillar men have against them. And there's nothing stopping the pillar men of figuring out the spin and even worse, replicate it in a more efficient manner.
@@regionfuego6 remember kars learned to use a 100x joseph's hamon within mere seconds. One could argue the pillar men probably didn't use hamon only due to the fact it killed them only by gathering it's energy, not because it was any difficult for them to do it, so it wouldn't be outside of the scope to think the pillar men could develop a spin hundreds of times stronger than whomever they're facing.
"A big idea of this that I really do like is the idea of swapping Hamon and Spin around" I initially processed "spin around" as one concept and was wondering if it was a nickname for Spin or something.
I think it's worth mentioning that the pillar man _species_ is considered godlike in comparison to humans and vampires. And the pillar men we see are the equivalent of vamipires to their race. They used the stone masks to unlock power _after_ they were above normal vampires.
You mention the pillarmen don’t regenerate, but they do. I think Whammu just chose not to with his eyes. Since they have 100 percent control over their bodies. There’s a bunch of examples in part 2. Great video btw
@@METAsMETAs kars being the ultimate life form was healing in the volcano just not fast enough so he was trying to create a body to sustain the volcanos lava
Approximating golden ratio to 16:9 is like approximating pi to 4. It's not even the closest whole numbers. But then again, it's Gyro explaining so it's perfectly undestandable for an Italian cowboy from the 1800s to not know maths.
you are asking the real questions, great work on this analysis, i never thought of this. Hell, it is funny because it is using the Vampire's own powers against them. Both manipulate their own physiology, almost like burning alive a pyrokinetic.
I think one advantage you're forgetting is that vampires and pillar men have substantially quicker reflexes than puny humans. Remember when Dio redirected an Emerald Splash? I sincerely doubt even a skilled spin user could hit a vampire that was paying attention.
I mean wikopipo acknowledges that the zeppelin spin is beyond his own and he must (SURPASS) it to beat gyro, he talks about This right before the frozen strait arc with magenta megenta, so they aren’t technically just “the same” the series does have a clear power scaling but its done kinda out in the open through small parts of character dialog
Based on part 6 it seems that there is another system similar to Haman or rotation, that being Feng shui. The one user was an assassin in particular but that doesn't appear to be the only method of one can use. And while yes he had a stand it seems that stand is more similar to hermit purple, where it is the ultimate form of the technique. Given that information do you think it's possible for someone to master Feng shui well enough to defeat vampires or pillar men?
Feng Shui Assassination, the fighting style that Kenzou uses, is, well, just a regular fighting style. He uses Feng Shui to his advantage and to make him gain the edge in battle, however in Stone Ocean, Feng Shui never appears to be anything more than a technique. It doesn't produce "energy" like Spin or Hamon
You’re definitely depending on a sneak attack with ball breaker to beat the pillar men, otherwise you’re fucked. I think the largest issue for the spin/pillar man matchup though is, unlike Hamon, there’s nothing stopping a pillar man from just instantly learning and using the spin.
"Remember son, keep your steel ball at your hip at all times-" "-and aim for the head. only when the brain is fully destroyed, can a vampire be defeated without sunlight." damn this sounds hype as heck
Spin is one of my favorite power systems. I love jow araki utilized it in Steel ball run. The creativity this man has, using the golden ratio and makking it a power system
Honestly, I wonder if the Pillar Men might just take one look at Spin and say "Oh, that's neat. Let me try it on you now." then proceed to thrash the Spin user with their own abilities considering how easy it is to learn the technique.
Can you do a video on Green, Green Grass of Home. Seems like there isn't much content on it and I curious about your thoughts. Especially vs some powerhouses like Ultimate Kars.
The main thing about the Wrecking Balls is that they cant achieve the infinite power of the Spin like the Steel Balls can since they aren’t perfect spheres. Thats why Gyro couldn’t finish the job: when the ball passed through the barrier, it became an ellipse and lost power. The Wrecking Ball's got all them satellites so it’s not the right shape to do what the Zeppeli family's balls can
It's a safe assumption to assume since the wrecking balls aren't perfectly spherical they aren't as perfect with the things you can do with spin. Probably can't bring forth ballbreaker either.
On top of that if an ultimate life formed learned spin he could do it perfectly every single time which is kind of crazy because that in combination with hamon that can really melt a normal person's skin off would be slightly just very slightly overpowered
d alright now that i got the first comment any spin user solos those vampires are going to die like shit going down the drain oh yeah forgot about the pillar men the pillar men would straight up generate golden spin themselves since they are a part of nature nobody can't do shit to pillar men unless you are joseph
I'd have to argue in favor for the vampires. Even with spin having more range and base abilities then a untrained vampire. We see Dio Brando perception blitz the officers whom had just shot him previously. Vampires, Hamon Users, Pillermen, etc. They just are just physically on this whole other level that rlly rlly does make them supernatural. Spin doesn't amp Gyro's speed, strength, perception, etc. I just can't see, a normal spin user being capable of feats like they're casually capable of.
I'm pretty sure like everybody has realized this but you could teach a pillow man spin because it's not sun energy so they could learn spin and become even more powerful
Question: if Hamon and Spin existed in the same universe as techniques, could one not use Hamon to charge the Steel Ball, then use a Super Spin to generate an infinite effect of Hamon impact? What would happen to the Pillar Men? Or Ultimate Kars? Idk I'm just thinking of ideas.
what if the pillar men end up learning spin, simply from fighting a spin user? their superior body manipulation can allow them to have perfect golden ratios for any body part they so choose. hell, they could make every part of their body remain in the 16:9 if they wanted to, giving them perma-golden spin and crazy offensive power. i can even imagine them moulding "steel balls" by removing a small part of their flesh and forming it into a ball. and spin isn't contrary to their biology, unlike hamon. so pillar men could actually master it.
The only thing, discounting Stands, that would be able to stand up to a Pillar Man 1 on 1 is if the Theory of what would happen to a human who used the Stone Mask combined with the Red Stone is true. If, according to the Theory, a Human who used the Stone Mask combined with the Red Stone became a Vampire with the ability to use and an immunity to Hamon the way Ultimate Kars did then and only then could they square up to a Pillar Man 1 v. 1…
Wekapiko couldnt use the golden rectangle, thats the main difference between wrecking ball and the steel ball. Gyro can which is why he can make ball breaker
He never said it directly, but 8n his fight with gyro and Johnny he said that it was the zeppeli family's special thing and the royal guard specifically used the ball with satellites which is why it was so effective in a landscape with no golden rectangle, that being the snowy area they were fighting in
@@noiz9239 even if it was used in an environment without the rectangle it doesn’t mean he can’t utilize it if he has the reference, unless im misinterpreting this
It's basically like this Zeppelis are taught about the golden rectangle and how to use the steel ball as they are doctors and it is used medically The wrecking ball is used by royal guards and is strictly offensive, not using the golden rectangle Now if gyro got a wrecking ball he could probably utilize the golden rectangle with it, but wekapiko couldn't as he wasn't taught it, just had a knowledge of its existence and how to counter it
So, regarding the golden ration thing, is really not something that exist in real life. Humans just like to notice patterns on things and despite not being an universal thing, since a lot of things if you squint hard enough seem to fall into the golden ratio, we started saying that it was a thing and that's how things are perfect. In reality, is just our monkey brain doing its hardest to find patterns where there are non.
@@ratherlous6429 that's a goated list, maybe with Johnny as first mate they could get through the verse, or else all the heavy lifting will fall onto Giornos ger
+ i thought as spin is kinda like other universe counterpart of hamon, whole not being diffrent/opposite, they for sure could be decimated by spin, isnt it pure energy like hamon?
I don’t think anything because he technically doesn’t exist, he exists in the same universe but he is in a demiplane trapped by ger and since ger is transdimentional ger exists even after the reset so nothing happens to diavalo
@@charlietonner5648 Solid demiplane argument. But i always thought a new universe is created after Diavolo "dies" , so he wasnt in the current universe when it reset. Also I dont GER is in control of Diavolo's deaths and that they happen automatically (since Giorno had the arrow in his hand at the end ,implying GER reverted back to GE )
He mentions space ripper eyes - arguably the most powerful tool in the vampire kit which gives them a very important long-distance option - as an example of one of the vampiric abilities, but still treats vampires as only capable in close-range combat. Not gonna lie, kind of a disappointing showing for a semi-professional power scaler.
you are severely underselling the intelligence of the pillar men here. like just remember how quickly kars went from not being able to use hamon at all, due to IT being harmful to pillar men, to understanding and using it on a level surpassing any other hamon user who has ever existed before or since. now remember that the spin is not inherently harmful to pillar men, you can see where this is going. you use the spin against a pillar man and now you have a pissed off pillar man, who can use the spin and is for all intents and purposes better at it than you. hell even some of the stronger vampires, like dio or straits, could probably survive a fight against a spin user long enough to figure out how to wield the spin themselves to counter it.
to be fair, vampires have a couple of advantages in this match up not really touched on in your video.. namely, nothing is stopping a vampire from adapting their fighting style to remain mostly ranged, such as ripper eyes, or just throwing something back, and with their sheer strength, it could turn ugly for the spin user without very clever application of their abilites, that, and any body manipulation used on the vampires could theoretically be countered more directly by the vampire then a normal human. and perhaps even more concerning, if the vampire is observant, they might even be able to replicate the spin with their unusually high body control, turning the advantages of the spin users against them. but for what its worth, all three of these points takes varying levels of high level vampires to use, so any random match up may not have it. that being said, I think your correct that while not hamon, spin could atleast have a good shot of messing up a vampire enough to finish the fight, especially if super spin is able to be used at all. speaking of, I do think a proper infinite rotation could quickly mess up even a pillarman, Im pretty sure. if only when its the true infinite energy version. plus, if one was able to develop new verisons of spin for manipulating pillarman biology, one could get REAL creative, and do something like, I dunno, Temporarily disable a pillarman's defenses to hit them with an attack from UV light, such as turning Santa anna back from stone so the sun can hurt him again, or other things.
they're probably all Rohan stories because Rohan is Araki inside of the JoJo universe (basically). In these Rohan stories Araki is probably writing about personal lessons/experiences he's learned or been through, and I personally believe he's Christian because of this, why else would he base his entire anime around this religion?
Ok so technically speaking knowing kars he would probably copy the spin get the golden spin immediately and fuck them up to mock them seeing as thats like one of the first things he does to joseph
I don't think wrecking balls can reach the golden rectangle because it's not perfect it has these bumps on it unless you can chose to deactivate it (but it's still imperfect)
Vampires are no match for testicular torsion
You got pinned, lucky you!
Cause of death: testicular torsion via balls slamming into the testikels
What is testicular torsion...
HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK
That's it, that enough, I'm getting castrated I don't give a fuck, I don't want kids anyway.
Since you mention part 1 and 2, imagine the clacker volley with the spin.
Can the Clackers spin?
NOOO the one technique that's illegal in the U.S.A!!!
The clackers would basically become a mini vortex and suck you in.
Yo that would’ve been crazy if Spin was around then and Joseph used it
Spinning balls of steel
Spin user : Throws one ball to figure out some weird statue guy's abilities
Pillar man : "Thats a very interesting technique, but I see some room for improvement". - uses body manipulation to make a bunch of spherical flesh balls that all use the spin, and are aimed at the spin user.
Spin user : W H A T
*Sanctuary Guardian plays
@@remixtheidiot5771the one from Earthbound or the one from Dark Souls. Because Earthbound is the meme and all, but there is nothing better at bringing out the feeling of being outclassed like the Dark Souls Sound Tracks
"Oh, you need a horse to do that thing?" *Grows horse legs*
@@deezgaspricesPillar men are so cool id trade any stand to become one of their race.
@@KeizerSosebee Soulsbound, Dark Souls but funny.
Somewhere in an alternate universe, Zeppeli taught Jonathan the spin in order to defeat Dio
It could be and interesting what if
It just shows how ridiculously impressive how prime Joseph was able to contest and defeat these monsters/Aztec gods with strength and speed rivalling the strongest stands, without instantly losing.
i think because stand user and spin user are just human and pillar is really like just a real beast in battle and brains
They got jumped kind of it wasn't a 1 on 1 plus Joseph had tricks up his sleeve with help from other people if all three of them stuck together they would have destroyed the crew
Ball Breaker aged Valentine due to the huge amount of gravity it has. Spining produces gravity, infinite spin basically is infinite mass, technically replicating a black hole if you think about it
So Gyro essentially threw a mini black hole at Valentine
So it's the same kind of stand as C-Moon
@@duykhangtran4406 dio reference???
@@robberyproductions1363 basically yes
Hmm..gyrokinesis = gravity manipulation...*gyro*kinesis...gyro..OH MY GOODDD
Ultimate kars: Nice balls bro.
*Uses ballbreaker by being the horse.*
It's possible that the pillar men, especially Kars, could straight up learn the spin after seeing it for a few seconds, and out-spin the spin user.
I can imagine Kars learning the spin and then turning himself into a centaur to do the infinte spin
@@grynnlecoprolithecosmique585
Or he'd just be able to do Ultimate Infinite Golden Spin
@@DrakeKnight99😧💀
@@grynnlecoprolithecosmique585 Dude could 100% shoot his finger nails too, probably turn them into some horrifically overpowered combination of natural traits just to top it off too
@@donovangunther4538yeahhh hamon is useful
Have this man Kars extend his Arm Blades and then get hit with that Golden Ratio. Forget being the Ultimate Life Form, the Ultimate Beyblade will truly be unstoppable!!!!
Hell yeah Let it Rip.
OK, but now what if Kars sees the Spin once and instantly becomes the strongest Spin user ever like he did with Hamon?
@@jaczylijaaleniepowiemkto3243 They will have to settle it with a Beyblade battle.
@@jaczylijaaleniepowiemkto3243 that's not how ULF it works
@@FlackBackTV I'm fairly sure that's exactly what happened at the end of Battle Tendency.
Here’s a thought that’s headcannony as hell but still scary.
Seeing as the Spin is based heavily in Nature and the Pillar Men are very aware and powerful in that regard they could take one look at someone throwing a ball and make the connections and replicate it themselves, especially for someone like Kars who flexed on Joseph with Hamon the moment he went Ultimate so it wouldn’t be out of like for them to produce the Spin
That's definitely happening
I would spin my bawls on Kars face 😂 got eem
Now you have testicular torsion. You are now experiencing some of the worst pain a man can experience.
“Pillar men do not regenerate” Kars in the anime after being shot with the uv eye beam healed the wound instantly
also it's at least strongly implied that they are able to pull that off due to the fact that they are above vampires, who cna regenerate.
I always thought they can't regenerate damage caused the the sun/Hamon. That was the rule for everybody. That's why vanilla ice dies in part 3. that's why Esidi doesn't grow his limbs back. That's why Dio can't save his body in part 3. UV is seen as an imperfect replication of the sun's abilities, as opposed to Hamon or the actual sun, which are guaranteed to irreversibly harm a vampire/pillar man. Of course all of this goes to hell when ultimate Kars happens, but that's a one-off case.
@@astrobonk Depending on the degree of damage, the Pillars can heal from sun or Hamon. Wamuu is seen healing his wounds after his battle with Caesar, where he got multiple welts all over his body from the Bubble Lens technique. More extensive damage takes longer to heal though, and in Esidisi's case growing a new arm might have been either impossible or very VERY slow, so attaching and assimilating the human arm was a better option
now lets combine hamon and the spin
I would say having a hamon charged steel ball would be quite strong and might strengthen some of the spins power
I think that would be interesting
I theorise hamon combined with the perfect ratio would boost the sunlight infinitely to the point at the attack would be an equivalent of a white hole.
@@theaustraliankangapus16 that might be enough to kill Ultimate Kars
@@Kawika. ultimate Kars may just copy the tehnique and use it against you
@@bloodangel19 key words: *might be*
If the pillar men weren’t specifically written to only be even remotely vulnerable to sunlight and hamon then ball breaker could probably clap them. The thing is, it’s pretty specifically stated that they can only be killed by hamon or put out of commission by sunlight. It’s like the defense version of a no-limits fallacy. The big chance that a spin user would have against a pillar man would be to figure out a way to launch him into space or manipulate the orbit of the earth in a way to force them to face the sun which are theoretically sort of possible for spin users. That would require immediate knowledge of weaknesses going into the fight though.
The thing is, that while is true that the spin user could try to figure out other ways to defeat the pillar men, they simply have fewer win conditions than the pillar men have against them. And there's nothing stopping the pillar men of figuring out the spin and even worse, replicate it in a more efficient manner.
@@regionfuego6 remember kars learned to use a 100x joseph's hamon within mere seconds. One could argue the pillar men probably didn't use hamon only due to the fact it killed them only by gathering it's energy, not because it was any difficult for them to do it, so it wouldn't be outside of the scope to think the pillar men could develop a spin hundreds of times stronger than whomever they're facing.
@@rmg480 well a vampire used hamon in the same part just to die so them using the spin is not out of the question.
if its normal pillarmen then ur right, but if its ulf kars? they dont stand a chance. 100x spin and ultimate ballbreaker and more
Well, that statement is pretty much not accounting for stands and the Spin since they didn't exist yet.
Wrecking ball steel balls are weaker? Once Gyro threw in the golden ratio it completely overpowered them.
That’s because gyro is just better lmfao
He just has the goldener ratio tho
@@Oxygen1004 The platinum ratio
Wrecking Ball is specifically an anti-human weapon, not for the pursuit of infinity
@@METAsMETAs I think it's because the Wrecking balls aren't perfect circles while Gyro's balls are.
"A big idea of this that I really do like is the idea of swapping Hamon and Spin around"
I initially processed "spin around" as one concept and was wondering if it was a nickname for Spin or something.
I feel like the vampire eye lazers would be hard for the normal human to avoid and especially if they got the horse
Oh no. Not the horse
I think it's worth mentioning that the pillar man _species_ is considered godlike in comparison to humans and vampires. And the pillar men we see are the equivalent of vamipires to their race. They used the stone masks to unlock power _after_ they were above normal vampires.
This is interesting, I waited this for 4...no, 5000 years!
You mention the pillarmen don’t regenerate, but they do. I think Whammu just chose not to with his eyes. Since they have 100 percent control over their bodies. There’s a bunch of examples in part 2. Great video btw
Naw they can’t but they can graft others body on them it’s straight up said in part 2 lmao
Dawg is slow, Pillermen can regenerate
@@METAsMETAs kars being the ultimate life form was healing in the volcano just not fast enough so he was trying to create a body to sustain the volcanos lava
Santana shoots bullets out of his finger tips and regenerates new ones
Stroheim rips a piece of Kars' hand and he regenerates it as well
Approximating golden ratio to 16:9 is like approximating pi to 4. It's not even the closest whole numbers. But then again, it's Gyro explaining so it's perfectly undestandable for an Italian cowboy from the 1800s to not know maths.
So assuming from what was mentioned in this Video would the Pillarmen be able to utilize Spin?
Don’t see why not
Anyone who knows how to use it and gets their hands on a steel ball can
pillar man is like very high iq than normal human they can probably perfect the spin in seconds
you are asking the real questions, great work on this analysis, i never thought of this. Hell, it is funny because it is using the Vampire's own powers against them. Both manipulate their own physiology, almost like burning alive a pyrokinetic.
I think one advantage you're forgetting is that vampires and pillar men have substantially quicker reflexes than puny humans. Remember when Dio redirected an Emerald Splash? I sincerely doubt even a skilled spin user could hit a vampire that was paying attention.
I mean wikopipo acknowledges that the zeppelin spin is beyond his own and he must (SURPASS) it to beat gyro, he talks about This right before the frozen strait arc with magenta megenta, so they aren’t technically just “the same” the series does have a clear power scaling but its done kinda out in the open through small parts of character dialog
Based on part 6 it seems that there is another system similar to Haman or rotation, that being Feng shui.
The one user was an assassin in particular but that doesn't appear to be the only method of one can use. And while yes he had a stand it seems that stand is more similar to hermit purple, where it is the ultimate form of the technique.
Given that information do you think it's possible for someone to master Feng shui well enough to defeat vampires or pillar men?
Feng Shui Assassination, the fighting style that Kenzou uses, is, well, just a regular fighting style. He uses Feng Shui to his advantage and to make him gain the edge in battle, however in Stone Ocean, Feng Shui never appears to be anything more than a technique. It doesn't produce "energy" like Spin or Hamon
@@ajojofann it doesn't, but it does detect and redirect energy. More to the point, it produces a specific stand independent if the user
The real question we got to ask is what would a Jojo character with both Spin and Hamon be capable of?, what kind of freak would they be?
Good Question
That sounds interesting 🤔
Jodio with Spin would be Go Beyond but machine gun version LOL
YO, THE NEW INTRO GOES CRAZY
I feel like this video would be under 2 minutes if it got 10% faster every time he said the words "spin" or "ball".
You’re definitely depending on a sneak attack with ball breaker to beat the pillar men, otherwise you’re fucked. I think the largest issue for the spin/pillar man matchup though is, unlike Hamon, there’s nothing stopping a pillar man from just instantly learning and using the spin.
I never thought of this idea it is a very interesting concept
Yooooo, first. Also, I think spin would solo both vamps and Pilar people
Not pillarmens only the vampires
In my opinion
@@0luisjr0 Agreed
"Remember son, keep your steel ball at your hip at all times-"
"-and aim for the head. only when the brain is fully destroyed, can a vampire be defeated without sunlight."
damn this sounds hype as heck
Spin is one of my favorite power systems. I love jow araki utilized it in Steel ball run. The creativity this man has, using the golden ratio and makking it a power system
What if someone where to ( hypothetically ) mix Hamon and Spin?
Sunny balls
Overpowered
@@VaclavRytina sun light yellow balls overdrive
What if spin were in parts 1 and 2 ?
Honestly, I wonder if the Pillar Men might just take one look at Spin and say "Oh, that's neat. Let me try it on you now." then proceed to thrash the Spin user with their own abilities considering how easy it is to learn the technique.
Now Hamon vs D4C love train 💀
Im pretty sad that we didn’t get to see much Ball Breaker, it’s low key one of my favorite stands
Can you do a video on Green, Green Grass of Home. Seems like there isn't much content on it and I curious about your thoughts. Especially vs some powerhouses like Ultimate Kars.
The main thing about the Wrecking Balls is that they cant achieve the infinite power of the Spin like the Steel Balls can since they aren’t perfect spheres. Thats why Gyro couldn’t finish the job: when the ball passed through the barrier, it became an ellipse and lost power. The Wrecking Ball's got all them satellites so it’s not the right shape to do what the Zeppeli family's balls can
3rd strike OST, He's starting to believe
It's a safe assumption to assume since the wrecking balls aren't perfectly spherical they aren't as perfect with the things you can do with spin. Probably can't bring forth ballbreaker either.
The only thing the wrecking balls can't do is the bodily enhancement, due to the satellites
When you realize Whamuu's Divine Sandstorm and Joseph's Clacker Balls are the very first iterations of Spin in the original universe
On top of that if an ultimate life formed learned spin he could do it perfectly every single time which is kind of crazy because that in combination with hamon that can really melt a normal person's skin off would be slightly just very slightly overpowered
I want combats between ultimate kars + hamon + spin and the most powerful jjba characters
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alright now that i got the first comment any spin user solos
those vampires are going to die like shit going down the drain
oh yeah forgot about the pillar men
the pillar men would straight up generate golden spin themselves since they are a part of nature
nobody can't do shit to pillar men
unless you are joseph
Joesph got the best hax
So you think Ultimate Kars has a chance to win against full powered Johnny Joestar?
i think kars can beat anyone except for d4c
I personally think it wouldn't be as effective but the higher-level stuff could fuck them up
I have the same view
It would be pretty cool to see like a hamon vs rock humans video cuz u did spin vs vampires
I'd have to argue in favor for the vampires. Even with spin having more range and base abilities then a untrained vampire. We see Dio Brando perception blitz the officers whom had just shot him previously. Vampires, Hamon Users, Pillermen, etc. They just are just physically on this whole other level that rlly rlly does make them supernatural. Spin doesn't amp Gyro's speed, strength, perception, etc. I just can't see, a normal spin user being capable of feats like they're casually capable of.
Ultimate Life Form versus Holy Saint
I'm pretty sure like everybody has realized this but you could teach a pillow man spin because it's not sun energy so they could learn spin and become even more powerful
Question: if Hamon and Spin existed in the same universe as techniques, could one not use Hamon to charge the Steel Ball, then use a Super Spin to generate an infinite effect of Hamon impact? What would happen to the Pillar Men? Or Ultimate Kars? Idk I'm just thinking of ideas.
Non infinite spin user: *attacks love train*
Some random dude in the Qing dynasty in 1900: *dies*
Valentine: xD
2:21
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!
what if the pillar men end up learning spin, simply from fighting a spin user? their superior body manipulation can allow them to have perfect golden ratios for any body part they so choose. hell, they could make every part of their body remain in the 16:9 if they wanted to, giving them perma-golden spin and crazy offensive power. i can even imagine them moulding "steel balls" by removing a small part of their flesh and forming it into a ball.
and spin isn't contrary to their biology, unlike hamon. so pillar men could actually master it.
The fact that bro didn’t even try to mention ultimate life form kars
The only thing, discounting Stands, that would be able to stand up to a Pillar Man 1 on 1 is if the Theory of what would happen to a human who used the Stone Mask combined with the Red Stone is true. If, according to the Theory, a Human who used the Stone Mask combined with the Red Stone became a Vampire with the ability to use and an immunity to Hamon the way Ultimate Kars did then and only then could they square up to a Pillar Man 1 v. 1…
Wekapiko couldnt use the golden rectangle, thats the main difference between wrecking ball and the steel ball. Gyro can which is why he can make ball breaker
Wait where was it stated
He never said it directly, but 8n his fight with gyro and Johnny he said that it was the zeppeli family's special thing and the royal guard specifically used the ball with satellites which is why it was so effective in a landscape with no golden rectangle, that being the snowy area they were fighting in
@@noiz9239 even if it was used in an environment without the rectangle it doesn’t mean he can’t utilize it if he has the reference, unless im misinterpreting this
It's basically like this
Zeppelis are taught about the golden rectangle and how to use the steel ball as they are doctors and it is used medically
The wrecking ball is used by royal guards and is strictly offensive, not using the golden rectangle
Now if gyro got a wrecking ball he could probably utilize the golden rectangle with it, but wekapiko couldn't as he wasn't taught it, just had a knowledge of its existence and how to counter it
why did u not mention johnies spin but good vid
Will you do hamon in part 7 next?
Wonder what steel ball run universe’s version of the stone mask would do 🤔.
Moral of the story: I need to start ballin.
If the Hamon was replaced with The Spin isn Phantom Blood: 😁😁😁😁😁
If The Spin was replaced with Hamon in Steel Ball Run: 💀💀💀💀💀
So, regarding the golden ration thing, is really not something that exist in real life. Humans just like to notice patterns on things and despite not being an universal thing, since a lot of things if you squint hard enough seem to fall into the golden ratio, we started saying that it was a thing and that's how things are perfect.
In reality, is just our monkey brain doing its hardest to find patterns where there are non.
What about if vampires or pillar men got ahold of spin? In a Ultimate Hamon kind of way?
I need to know what is the best possible crew you could build from jjba to find the one piece
Captain - Dio (charisma)
Sniper - Mista
Navigator - Joseph
Cook - Tonio
Shipwright - josuke
Doctor - giorno
Musician - Gyro zeppeli
@@ratherlous6429 that's a goated list, maybe with Johnny as first mate they could get through the verse, or else all the heavy lifting will fall onto Giornos ger
@@KaiWorld Fair point
@@KaiWorld tbh I wanted the sniper to be johngalli a but uh.. I don’t think he’s as good as mista despite being my favourite character
+ i thought as spin is kinda like other universe counterpart of hamon, whole not being diffrent/opposite, they for sure could be decimated by spin, isnt it pure energy like hamon?
I love the soin i cant wait to see it animated
another banger!
I'm glad we're both thinking the piller men knowing spin exist is a bad thing all around
I don't think racking ball cam achieve golden ratio they are not completely symmetrical
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But pillar men violate spin
What happened to Diavolo during Made in heaven. I know this has nothing to do with the video but i need to know . (theory time)
I don’t think anything because he technically doesn’t exist, he exists in the same universe but he is in a demiplane trapped by ger and since ger is transdimentional ger exists even after the reset so nothing happens to diavalo
@@charlietonner5648 Solid demiplane argument. But i always thought a new universe is created after Diavolo "dies" , so he wasnt in the current universe when it reset. Also I dont GER is in control of Diavolo's deaths and that they happen automatically (since Giorno had the arrow in his hand at the end ,implying GER reverted back to GE )
He mentions space ripper eyes - arguably the most powerful tool in the vampire kit which gives them a very important long-distance option - as an example of one of the vampiric abilities, but still treats vampires as only capable in close-range combat. Not gonna lie, kind of a disappointing showing for a semi-professional power scaler.
Well to be fair I think he means the general vampire grunts as only Straizo and Dio are really capable of the lasers last I checked
you are severely underselling the intelligence of the pillar men here.
like just remember how quickly kars went from not being able to use hamon at all, due to IT being harmful to pillar men, to understanding and using it on a level surpassing any other hamon user who has ever existed before or since.
now remember that the spin is not inherently harmful to pillar men, you can see where this is going.
you use the spin against a pillar man and now you have a pissed off pillar man, who can use the spin and is for all intents and purposes better at it than you.
hell even some of the stronger vampires, like dio or straits, could probably survive a fight against a spin user long enough to figure out how to wield the spin themselves to counter it.
Why didnt you include the ultimate lifeform
Imagine the piller men learning the spin
I was wondering if you could make a Dio in demon slayer or muzan in Jojo part 1 as the main villains
What about Tusk's Infinite Rotation actually tho?
I'm pretty sure spinning my balls is already a form of body manipulation, just, a painful one.
Spin.
to be fair, vampires have a couple of advantages in this match up not really touched on in your video.. namely, nothing is stopping a vampire from adapting their fighting style to remain mostly ranged, such as ripper eyes, or just throwing something back, and with their sheer strength, it could turn ugly for the spin user without very clever application of their abilites, that, and any body manipulation used on the vampires could theoretically be countered more directly by the vampire then a normal human. and perhaps even more concerning, if the vampire is observant, they might even be able to replicate the spin with their unusually high body control, turning the advantages of the spin users against them. but for what its worth, all three of these points takes varying levels of high level vampires to use, so any random match up may not have it.
that being said, I think your correct that while not hamon, spin could atleast have a good shot of messing up a vampire enough to finish the fight, especially if super spin is able to be used at all. speaking of, I do think a proper infinite rotation could quickly mess up even a pillarman, Im pretty sure. if only when its the true infinite energy version.
plus, if one was able to develop new verisons of spin for manipulating pillarman biology, one could get REAL creative, and do something like, I dunno, Temporarily disable a pillarman's defenses to hit them with an attack from UV light, such as turning Santa anna back from stone so the sun can hurt him again, or other things.
they're probably all Rohan stories because Rohan is Araki inside of the JoJo universe (basically). In these Rohan stories Araki is probably writing about personal lessons/experiences he's learned or been through, and I personally believe he's Christian because of this, why else would he base his entire anime around this religion?
Oh yes, items versus items
What about ball breaker vs ulf kars
Sounds like the spin is a replacement for hamon in the universe 0w0
Ok so technically speaking knowing kars he would probably copy the spin get the golden spin immediately and fuck them up to mock them seeing as thats like one of the first things he does to joseph
can anyone tell me what happens when Gyro throws a steel ball does he have to pick it up from the ground or does it come back to him?
Better question which is better spin or hamon on but I think hamon is better and I think spin is hamon in some way or just another version
Offtopicc, you like 3rd strike?
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if the vampire uses space ripper stingy eyes, the spin user would have no time to throw a ball at his brain and completely destroy it cell from cell
how about the other way around? hamon in part 7?
I don't think wrecking balls can reach the golden rectangle because it's not perfect it has these bumps on it unless you can chose to deactivate it (but it's still imperfect)
he he, balls
Woh about the ultimate life form?
Wait how well would hamon do in part 7?
I just noticed that Vampires could use the spin. Because it's not harmful to them