Let's give our respect to Joseph Joestar. He survived against both the Pillar Men and DIO's group, survived a volcano erupting right under his feet, died and came back, and he was still alive during Part 6. The guy may not have been very powerful, but his survival skills are SS tier.
He has to thank his grandson (Jotaro) for that revival to keep on living till the very end. Not to mention that epic prank he pulled on him immediately after. 😂
powerscaling is hilarious man because powerscalers will casually say everyone is moving faster than light without stopping to think about how ridiculous that sounds
@@brothsipper-h5o if it's literally fiction then why try to use real life "calculations" to explain it? if you're going to use real life logic to justify a feat then i can use real life logic to explain how that makes no sense lmao
I like to give Jolyne the highest intelligence feat, for the sole fact that she used Stone Free to turn her body into a Mobius Strip, so that C-Moon couldn't invert her body. I was beyond flabbergasted. She really takes after her Great Grandpa.
that intelligence feat cant really be compared to the others cuz they have different abilities so we cant really assume that the other joestars wouldnt do it too if they had her stand
nah, yeah shes probably higher in intelligence but joseph was able to outplay someone with a stated 400 iq (which is humanely impossible levels of intelligence) so joseph stands in a league of his own that no one has come even close to yet.
@@blackxfiied_ i mean, not sure once you past 300 what you are even calculating, 400 is basically you can instantly figure out anything you observe, if not even some greater understanding than what we currently know people capable of. joseph didnt outplay Kars via intelligence though, he had luck/fate on his side. he even says he didnt plan it out to happen as it did.
1:58- Additionally, I am very confident that Jodio's Stand will definitely evolve and/or get a broken power that makes Go Beyond seem like child's play in order to defeat an even more broken villain than Wonder of U already was somewhere later in the part.
Honestly, feels like it's not fun anymore to have "more and more broken powers". Maybe it would be better to have something more simple but versatile...
@@sozdateljyeah that’s what I’d like too, but honestly, after seeing WoU and Go Beyond, Araki made it pretty clear that he’s just escalating the powers since part 7. It’s a shame too, I would’ve preferred just versatile interesting uses of one power
The issue with so many of the new stands and parts is that they just get so broken and pointlessly infinitely strong (like Wonder of U and GER type broken)
My favourite Joestar is Jolyne. She may not be the strongest but she is very adaptable and smart when using her stand. Stone Free also very versatile in many situations with her strings.
@@blackxfiied_ yes, but in comparison to the others not so much. Obviously, Star Platinum is way less varied but makes up for it with raw physical stats and time stop, Josuke can instantly restore any object or person to a previous state, obviously healing people, but can also alter its restoration, like fusing a man with a rock or book. Then there's Giorno, who's regular ability is already insanely ranged with being able to any life or body part, and accelerate people's senses or even half-revive them.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 yes its not very strong. but he can negate evrything your trying to do... so to win against G.E.R. you are not allowed to interact with him at all. for this reason i would place him in low S tier. ofcourse reality alternating effects can still get around that in some cases.
@@pierrelucaskanakri2370Meh not rly G.E.R or at least what i perceive return to 0 as is the ability to return the action or will of the attacker to zero. So theoretically if p8 josuke used soft and wet go beyond it could be returned to 0 same thing goes for wonder of U where G.E.R could return the affects of calamity to 0 but end of the day its just jba bizarre power scaling and unclear ability's u could honestly argue either way on who wins
I feel Jolyne is just tuned more to using her stand in smart ways rather than strong ways. She uses her stand well because she's very smart, her stand is one of those useful ones for someone with high intelligence but it's not insanely strong like the others
I feel like jolyne would be really close to young joseph in terms of being smart, she used her stand as a printer to know somebody's face that she kept forgetting, and also prevented her body from being reversed, that's just really smart. And I can definitely see her beating josuke in a real fight even tho her stats aren't as crazy
I personally feel like some of the re-evaluation of Tusk Act 4 is lowballing too much: Even if they are different characters, it is still moved in stopped time, and moving a little bit in stopped time due to what is stated to be infinite power shouldn't really change him being above the World that much. (he lost the fight due to weird situational aspects+it's a race, so time stop and countering your ability is kind of important) However, it was really satisfying seeing a list where it showed different variations of the characters. My preference would be the characters throughout the arc+the character when they unlock the BS end of arc hax (such as seeing non time stop Jotaro, non requiem Giorno, No Go Beyond Gappy, and different acts of Johnny) but really fun video regardless of my personal nit picks.
Looking at it the jump from b to a is pretty massive(discounting part 4 jotaro) because you go from some solidly strong stands to like definitely top 10 stands in all of jojo
johnny below jotaro is absolutely outrageous his stand is arguably top 3 in the verse and his usage of the stand is nearly perfect as he learned all 5 lessons to learn the infinite rotation which could scale to infinite speed and power i would place him below giorno and gappy but johnny is way higher
I’d agree, but tbf while I think Johnny scales higher and is stronger, a horse wincon is kinda crazy. Still tho Johnny hax are way too good to be getting triumphed by jotaro,
@@tyrone2048 trust me I want to put him higher but it’s quit literally stated that GER is above stand power itself and happy has a attack that literally doesn’t exist but still jotaro has nothing but his biq to maybe make it a tiny bit hard for johnny
@@clipzy2310 maybe I’ll use d4c to go the universe where Araki didn’t write a yellow pissdemon to have the ability to kill a very queer mafia boss infinite times (Johnny>Giorno, and GER fans can SUCK MY NUTSSSSS, gappy’s cool tho)
And not forget the ultimate defense ability of Tusk Act 3. Johnny can just hide in a wormhole where he is untouchable. One Top he can shoot Tusk act 4 with his fingernails. His Range, AP, and Speed are completely broken. Johnny should definitely be number 1. His only weakness would be Wonder of U.
@@dopaminvitaminspeed not so much,if its ta3,johnny will need to attack jotaro from the wormwhole and jotaro outscales johnny in speed a lot. Johnny most is ftl while Jotaro is mftl+,shooting him with sol attacks wont hit jotaro,and the time stop is a probably,johnny can get one shotted if jotaro time stops. For ta4,it would be difficult for both,jotaro is still faster but hax would carry johnny. If they had prep time i would say jotaro would win,stop time and get johnny off his horse so he cant use infinite spin(jotaro is also way more powerful than any tusk variant)only problem is that ta4 can move in ts,but again jotaro can overpower is in a barrage fight he could get to johnny and one shot him.
A Common misconception is that the strongest character in lists like these can't lose to characters below it,maybe Johnny can beat jotaro or gappy,but THATS NOT THE POINT OF THE VIDEO,the video is about stats and not a Battle Royale amongst the joestars
I think Giorno is on top, because GER also crosses logic by reversing a place where time was not present. And for having created a complex multiverse. But even if Go Beyond is above Return To Zero, Go Beyond is still very complicated to get right. And that quote from Araki says that Tooru is the most powerful, but only among the villains.
Theres two arguements for ger,being what you just said,or being a fraud. I think ger is a fraud,reasoning,the requim arrow was made to fight against diavolo,and the arrow gave giorno an ability to revert back time 10 seconds,and rtz is always on,when diavolo used te,rtz was already returning it back,as giorno used it before diavolo did. So the multiversal scales are fraudulent,its universal as every time ability is universal.
@@JosuGlubo Giorno's ability is canonically to revert the actions and will of any individual (Through Araki himself). Although it counters Diavolo/King Crimson, it doesn't ONLY counter Diavolo. WOU and GER are pretty similar in that regard, though one is offensive and the other is defensive. If you attempt to pursue Tooru, you get hit by a bus or something, if you attempt to attack Giorno, that attack never occurs. In that regard, GER surpasses Go Beyond, because it'll revert the action and will of Josuke launching the attack, aka it never will happen
@@SomeEpicDoge for rtz to even happen,giorno needs to hit that particular person(punch,ranged attack,anything that hurts the other),yes for josuke its a counter,josuke is relatively slow and would end up activating rtz which reverts back any actions and heals the user. For anybody that is faster than giorno or can stop time(Jotaro,DIO)he easy.Pucci would speedblitz Giorno while time stop users will stop time and destroy him in time stop. Johnny could win as how can Giorno hit him when hes in a wormhole. Hell even Joseph with hermit purple and part 2 hamon has a chance. Ger isnt as powerful as many ppl think.
@@JosuGlubo GER is passive, it isn't activated by Giorno. It's not a matter of speed or time hax anymore. Vs. DIO & Jotaro: GER itself is multidimensional, it will work during Timestop and revert that action. GER wins Vs. Johnny: There is something to be said with infinite rotation, but any attack to Giorno will be reverted by GER. GER wins. Vs. MIH: Speed isn't an issue. GER has incredible stats and will still activate as long as an attack is directed at him. GER wins. Vs. Josuke/Josuke 8. Part 4 Josuke has no shot, Josuke 8 might depending on Go Beyond, yet there's not enough evidence. GER wins/? Vs. Jonathan/Joseph: GER Wins. What are you cooking?
@@JosuGlubo Wait, wait, wait. "for rtz to even happen,giorno needs to hit that particular person(punch,ranged attack,anything that hurts the other)," No?? Giorno does not need to hit the other person to activate RTZ... Where'd you get that from?
@@theyhateswervo3705 Bruh part 8 has literally little to no speed feat. And Soft and Wet's durability is wall level. I'd argue any schmuck with a machine gun could gun gappy down easily. That sounds like an "S" tier to you? Glass canons are trash.
Great video! I thought the entire discussion was really fun to watch. Here's my own input on the subject... I think Joseph's entire arc was about fighting foes stronger than he was. Never once in the story did Joseph fight someone weaker than him, as he was always at some sort of physical disadvantage. Cops in the alley had guns, Straitz was a vampire, Santiago was a Pillerman, Caesar was a stronger Hamon user, ACDC and Wham were even stronger Pillermen, and Kars was the ultimate lifeform. Every time, Joseph was at some kind of physical disadvantage and had to compensate with his strategic mind. I still stand by my belief that Joseph is the weakest Joestar in terms of raw power output, but he is the most strategic and resourceful in the family. And that's saying a lot, since the whole family is full of brilliant minds. (though, his intelligence really didn't shine through in Part 3, spare a select few episodes where he had small moments to shine)
Always a shame that jolyne is one of the weaker joestars but part 6 is so amazing in large part because the power scaling is kept in check. The arcs set in the prison are so amazing BECAUSE jolyne has so many limitations as a stand user AND YET she is so intelligent and she surrounds herself with such amazing allies that she stands up to the most dangerous villain in the series (at least til that point)
Great List, now that we've covered the Villains and Protagonists...we gotta do the Jobro's 😉 Or even crazier, the Team members in each Part that aren't the main Joestar.
I sorta disagree with Gappy placement/WOU scaling. Calamity being stated as the strongest flow doesn't mean that WOU scales above Jotaro or anything like that. For example, WOU is stronger than Goku. Does that mean that WOU has stats on par with Goku?Hell no, it just means that WOU can beat Goku. Giorno should've been №1 as his haxs would allow him to beat a wider variety of opponents than Gappy. Go Beyond is way too hard to land and even then it's not a one shot as Tooru clearly survived the hit.
Wou strongest villain statement and at least my interpretation that is jojolion jonnhy cameo is below calamity and more resent statements trumps any Ger statements and in feat wou>GER
I still feel like Giorno realistically bodies everyone here, including Gappy His ability defies logic itself, and again, despite the many arguments about the ability only working exclusively against Diavolo, that has never been confirmed. THEREFORE, if that is true, Giorno is on fraudwatch, but if it isn't there is realistically no good way of winning a fight against him. Especially for the protagonists. Gappy can possibly defeat him, but i dont think he ever would. GER seemed to apparently revert Diavolo's actions to a point where they hadn't even happened. I feel like the same would happen with Gappy. Despite Go Beyond not existing, the point is that calamity is something that works on what we can perceive, and Go Beyond does not abide by the laws of the world of Jojo's. Based on that, i think it's safe to say something like GER that also doesn't, could perceive it as an attack. Not because it exists, but because there was intent behind it. TLDR; I still think Giorno is the strongest character in the series because not even Go Beyond could possibly work on GER
People really love to underestimate Jonathan, no? Talking about raw power alone Jonathan is the single strongest Hamon user in the series, bar none (not counting Ultimate Lifeform Kars, of course). He mastered Hamon in a week, something that other Hamon users took years or even decades to master. Joseph never actually mastered Hamon but he compensated that by being a very strategic, resourceful fighter, and that's why he was able to defeat foes that were way above his league.
I love Jonathan as anyone should. He's awesome but it feels disingenuous to say he's better than Joseph in hamon. Jonathan learned hamon in a week or so. He still needed Zeppeli's power boost to beat Tarkus and Dio. Meanwhile Joseph was naturally talented with hamon as a child, he beat Straizo who was written to be a equivalent to Dio for Joseph to beat and held his own against Santana and Wamuu before training who are far more resilient to hamon and the sun than vampires. Joseph trained for a month to be able to defeat Esidisi and Wamuu. Yes his victories revolve heavily around deception and sleight of hand but he still needed to have amped hamon to be able to kill. Not to mention his techniques with hamon are much more refined than Jonathan's. Jonathan is physically stronger than Joseph but Joseph is more refined in hamon.
I feel like the difference of part 1 and 2 is really simple: Jonathon struggled to get his hamon to a point to damage vampires. Joseph didn't, he killed a Dio level threat at the start, and then he trained his hamon to damage PIllarmen who quite literally eat vampires. I feel like it's the most one to one scaling and you really can't rank Jonathon higher.
No. This comment is underestimating Joseph.Joseph’s sheer hamon power when EXHAUSTED was enough to cleave through base kar’s arm blade. Base Kars >>>>>> dio in every way. Not only is joseph faster (but probably not) stronger, but his hamon is able to contest with pillar men. Jonathan’s hamon wouldn’t do the same. AND Jonathan gets cleared by Lisa Lisa, who is also a master of hamon who is able to contest pillar men.
If it doesn't state that Diegos the world is the same, than it also doesn't state it isn't the same. Both Johnny and Gappy have abilities that both beat abilities nothing could beat.
I think it’ll be revealed that Jodio is somehow using calamity in his rain the same way Wonder Of U’s calamity used rain like how Josuke was using the spin in his bubbles
This is why I always end up clicking off powerscaling videos because of dumbass shit like that. A grain of sand going the speed of light has the potential to destroy the world, so imagine a grown man going faster than light hitting something. It just takes a little common sense to figure out why that makes no sense. Before someone says “it’s fiction” you’re using real life “calculations” and “logic” to make these claims, I can use real life common sense why it’s stupid
Gabbi scaling to WoU is not fair, as WoU has the ultimate hax of the whole series, and gabbi happens to be the only person to have a direct anti WoU hax. Thus, he indeed beats WoU, as the latter has no stats, but would loose to a number of other characters, including Joestars. He is still weaker than GER (although he has the technical ability to win, unlike, say, Jolene); he gets demolished by time stop, and his attacks are slower then Johnny's, making them easier to dodge. Also, I don't see young Joseph beating Josuke and Jolene, as his stats are not as useful against stands.
@@josephrogers3666 he can kill anyone in the verse in theory, but unlike WOU can also be killed by many. Jotaro would end him in an instant despite all the hax, and he would also instantly perish against WOU.
@pinthecool1 oh I agree without the speed to keep up with original universe scaling or pasly park to aim the bubbles from his birth mark that have the properties he would lose in a fight almost guaranteed I just think ignoring the fact the go beyond if aimed right has the speed and ap/power the one hit anyone in the verse is un fair
Brought this up on another video regarding Pucci getting tagged. Pucci, due to MiH, moves with the accelerated time of the universe. Non-living and dead objects do this as well while living ones move at regular speed. So Jolyne tagging him isn't as impressive when you realize that not only is he distracted by her sudden disappearance followed by her trying to Rush him, was hit with the knife, a non-living object, that's being thrown by her Stand, a "living" object, causing a massive disconnect between the movements the stand is taking to throw the knife and the actual speed of the knife. Stone Free is basically moving at normal speed throwing the knife, followed by the knife flying forward at ridiculous speeds not proportional to the force it was being thrown with (much like the baseball incident earlier in MiH's Time Accel).
I swear tusk broke through dc4 love train(infinte amount of dimensional walls=infinte space) and reached out to hit funny valentine mind you he was tryna get deeper into love train which i say again has infinte space. Aslo lovely video again
Lowkey i think Jolyne is overall stronger than Josuke if we're looking at who could reasonably sustain/attack in a fight. Ik you said Jolyne has no hacks, which is true on like an OP scale, but the string is definitely moderate level of hacks. She can do split second stitchwork (which is better than josuke could do for himself in a 1v1), she can use her string for mobility by pulling herself, she's even cheated out most normally unbeatable stands thanks to her quick thinking with it like with C-Moon. In terms of combat her physical strength doesn't meet his but her versatility would have him btfo
Something i'd like to addto this; While the ranking for Josuke(8) might change if you consider his ability to have been retconned from the op debut abilities. With Go Beyond, his great stats, feats and his surprise weapon of Kira's explosive bubbles still make him a big enough threat to stay comfy at the top of A (effectively doing nothing)
@@Dark139hunter That was what i was referring to with "stats". Though regardless this comment was mostly made to remind viewers how many tricks Josuke has up his sleeves. (Bubbles{in general}, blunder, explosive spin/Kira's bubbles, Go Beyond, punching ghost with relatively high stats, impressive durability {wou scaling} and being part of the "master tactician club" of Joestars, though not being in the same level as the big 3 of Joseph, Jolyne and Giorno)
@@Dark139hunter I see! But by only moving from S to top of A, effectively not changing anything, since he's still above everyone else. Just now he wouldn't be as impossible to defeat as with the ability sto steal consepts, so no S tier. I can see what may have caused the confusion.
Tusk act 4 can move in stopped time and is essentially a one shot ability with utilizing infinity how does jotaro beat Johnny? Star platinum couldn’t even get close enough to him to do anything.
Exactly. I mean: Johnny shoots his nail aka bullet aka tusk act 4 towards Jotaro who has no fucking clue what spin is. He would try to block it with Star Platinum...aaaaaand he is dead.
@@hawksnowwhite969 dio won cus valentine told him bout jonyr ability .... Nd tusk can move in stopped time ... He was like try to touch jonys hand bitch
@@hawksnowwhite969tusks bullet went trough universes lets say the universe is as big as ours it should be 93 billion light years wich means his bullet has the speed of light x 93 billion I woulkdnt wonder if I cooked nothing
True, this is prolly Metas’ worst video, I don’t know why the fuck he’s just throwing around building level, island level around with no weight to them. This video makes me wanna cleanse my life of powerscaling tbh
@@konoheisenbergda exactly this. This shit makes me want to tear my eyes out cause of how context is completely ignored for all these characters. Giving old joseph MFTL genuinely spawned a cancer cell in my brain.
@@redrufe I get that some JoJo characters can be Island Level, hell the ones he dubbed Island Level, I consider to be Large Country Level. But the scaling was just all over the place in this one, it was like asking an AI to do powerscaling for you lol
4:13 now looking at this Joseph artwork, it's kinda funny that in more recent arts Araki always depicts Joseph using a Pilot's hat even tho every single time Joseph was shown on a plane something bad happened.
Shouldn't Tusk Act 4 scale to it's infinite rotation & D4C:LT since, he was able rip apart the Love Train barrier which only his bullet was able to pierce it?
@@raidenpainn1561 I wholeheartedly agree with your proposition & keep in mind, this is the same barrier that was ONLY penetrated by infinite rotation from Tusk Act 4.
About Jodio let's be real, his ability while strong is a lot more situational, as it requires both an open enough area for his rather tall stand to fit in but also depends on positioning.
i love how in powerscalling one is massive faster than light yet he needs to travel in a car or a plane to go to a certain place, or someone is strong enough to destroy the multiverse yet has difficulties on trying to open a door. powerscalling is soo fun
Honestly I think the argument for GER can be made or broken depending on the interpretation for Epitaph. If we go by JoJo’s narrative that fate is linear or predetermined, GER denying the reality that Epitaph saw would mean it’s above fate itself and genuinely has no chance of losing because fate does its bidding. Hence the statement that it told Diavolo which was that no stand or person before him will ever reach the truth, the truth in this case being Giorno being hurt or GER itself being overpowered by a stand. That is if we go by the narrative that GER is above fate itself and can manipulate anything to its will as long as it avoids the predetermined faith wherein it or giorno gets harmed or defeated
because anime powerscaling is autistic as shit and almost never makes sense because the people doing the scaling remove any and all context to the feats that they use as examples.
In my opnion of the top tiers Johnny > Giorno > Gappy > Jotaro And i'll explain why Johnny > Giorno cause of the infinite rotation bypassing return to zero, since there isn't a way to return something that is infinite and that is always constantly making energy Johnny giorno > gappy because even gappy himself could not defeat WOU alone even with the perfect counter stand, because of the simple fact *he can not control go beyond bubbles* If he could, he would win agains't both of them, but gappy's normal controlable bubbles are slower than tusk's nails and can not bypass RTZ Johnny > jotaro Jotaro is a close range only user, so Johnny needs to only shoot a Single nail from far away to win And a single touch from tusk4 can make him spin violently Johnny >>> all
@@raidenpainn1561 Technically even if he couldnt revert the energy of the IR, he could probably still revert the nail since it was also affected by Time stop
So my one question with all the hype behind S&W:GB is the actual power of the stand itself, rather than specifically the bubbles. I agree with all the statements said about GB's bubbles, how they exist above the physics and logic that WoU reigns over. But from what I know, I don't think that alone places it at the pinnacle of stands. I've personally never really liked the basic "A beats B beats C, therefore A beats C" of powerscaling, at least when it comes to a series with abilities as specific and creatively applicable as JoJo's. Yes, WoU is the strongest antag stand. That's not really something arguable, statements by Araki as well as basic logic just kind of show how it trounces every previous villain stand, outside of maybe some MiH shenanigans, or maybe a stalemate (as long as FV stays in the barriers) with D4C:LT. But I don't think that automatically makes S&W:GB the most powerful main JoJo stand. I do agree that its probably one of, if not the most powerful one-shot ability out of any of them, but that's not all there is to a battle. I don't think I've seen any arguments for S&W:GB's power outside of the creative applications of plunder and the fact that he beat Toru. While I do doubt something like GER could undo the creation of the GB bubbles, which does make me curious about if Mandom's time rewind or TW's time stop would even do anything to the bubbles, they're explicitly very difficult to aim and Josuke needs help from abilities like Paisley Park to make the most of them. Just for an example, let's look at an already tried and tested matchup: Johnny vs Josuke. Most matchups I've seen only really focus on the actual destructive power of each of their respective one-shot abilities, a perspective that is always going to favour Gappy in that interaction. But I don't think I've seen any acknowledgement of each of their respective tactics. In an actual fight between the two, I'm of the opinion that it would be significantly easier for Johnny to tag Josuke than the other way around. GB bubbles are difficult to aim, and Johnny is a very mobile threat between his horse and Tusk Act 3. Meanwhile, Johnny can position his hands just about anywhere on the battlefield to fire his 10 Act 4 shots at the far less mobile Josuke. I'm not saying its a stomp either way, but I think people focus far too much on S&W:GB's raw, literal logic-defying power rather than how practical that power actually is. Something that a lot of the JoJo stands will do is be almost perfectly specialized to defeat their respective main villain, especially if its a stand that gets a power-up. Jotaro needed to defeat DIO, so he got an ability that stood on equal ground with TW. Giorno needed to defeat a stand that gives him additional agency in the face of fate, so he got a requiem that removed that agency altogether. Johnny and Josuke both needed to defeat stands with abilities that prevented attacks from landing, so they both got abilities that could force their way past those barriers. Yes, in terms of who they defeated, Toru is significantly more powerful than DIO. But in a Josuke/Jotaro battle, what is S&W:GB going to do when Jotaro stops time before Josuke can punch his bubbles in the vague direction of Jotaro, walks behind him, and caves in his skull?
Fraud Watch for Giorno is so funny 😂 I saw someone make a meme on Twitter featuring him and GER and he was labeled “potential man”, and one of the disses on there was “all if’s and when’s, never ‘is’” or something like that.
I think Jolyne has the potential to beat Star Platnium, as if she learned marionette, she could pull some of the Magnet tricks against Jotaro but on a whole different level.
king crimson was way stronger than silver chariot and ended up beating chariot requiem, which it is stated that GER is Stronger than chariot requiem, plus GER's confirmed ability is controlling "Absolut 0" basing this off of infinity theory "0" is the base point for everything, and as soon as the object reaches 1 it comes into existence and carries on counting up as is exists for longer, by that logic GER Controls the base point of all existing things from people to the universe it self making GER a singularity/singular point effectively GER is an anomaly in the universe making it unbeatable as it exists on its on terms. hence the strongest stand.
I'm not sure I buy that Straizo is legitimately better in terms of raw scaling than part 1 Dio even if I can't quite put into words _why._ Suffice it to say, though, I think one reason is the fact that Straizo said he'd win because he's better than Dio, only to then immediately get bodied by Joseph, should cast doubt on him actually being better than Dio. I'd make the case you shouldn't factor him positing he's stronger than Dio into scaling for the same reason I'd argue you shouldn't take the _many_ stand users in the series who've arrogantly said they were invincible as a sign that they are, in fact, invincible; much like them, Straizo was an unreliable narrator that provably overestimated his abilities and their limitations.
Question. You are right that there are no defined speed feats in Part 1. That said wouldnt Jonathan scale to Part 3 Dio's speed since you've addressed this multiple times as well as the series that. Dio was weaker than his part 1 self through the majority of part 3 and either A. Reached his original strength by drinking Joseph's blood or B. Close to his original self. So if Jonathan could beat pt 1 Dio, would it be fair to say he's relative to pt 3 Dio speed wise or no?@@METAsMETAs
The idea that ‘massively faster than light’ is a phrase that doesn’t come from physics but instead comes from anime fans is unreal to me ‘Don’t get caught up in this logical fallacy’ *proceeds to be totally illogical
Nothing about this is "illogical", you are merely ignorant. There are calculations (which are based on mathematics and physics) and Araki statements which place certain JJBA characters at speeds faster than light
GER is on "fraud watch" in my eyes as there was no indication that it could react even in time skip but right after it, since Diavolo has to attack his opponents after it not in it, so GER has basically zero feats of being able to do anything in time stop nor has any better reaction feats than against King Crimson, which would just result in donut or ora barrage; i would have to put him in the bottom of A tier with also Star Platinum's time stop being said (in Stone Ocean) to be the strongest ability ever which includes GER (up until Made in Heaven became a thing ofc). I wouldn't go as far as Jobber to say that GER loses to Silver Chariot but it still is pretty overrated in my opinion. Also in my eyes Tusk really doesn't need speed scaling that much since just his hax being basically 4D entity with just straight up higher dimensionality, it shouldn't really matter speed wise since it's just way above concepts of speed in 3D (being able to cross from one 3D universe to another due to raw dimensionality is way bigger speed feat than anything like highest speeds in 3D just moving in that one universe) and ap is, as you said, literally infinite. Same would basically go for Go Beyond bubbles, just no matter how fast you are it catches up to you if you're below multiversal range. Also this may sound little bit like headcannon, but i think Tusk actually has ability to fully move in time stop, it just needs time to get used to it, like Jotaro or DIO needed when they discovered their abilities, but again it shouldn't really matter that much if Tusk is just above dimensionality wise since dimensionality>hax. Then with B tier i'm just slightly biased to Jolyne, so i would probably put her with Josuke above young Joseph, but again might just be my bias, but i would definetly put Josuke above her and all Josephs. Then Gappy is just above all of them, since everyone else just gets fucked by logic unlike Go Beyond. So with all of this my tier list would look like (positions in tiers matter): S: Josuke 8 A: Johnny (might even be between S/A, like A+), Jotaro, Giorno B: Josuke, Jolyne/Joseph C: Jonathan N/A: Jodio with villains it would be: S: Josuke 8, Tooru A: Johnny, Funny Valentine, Pucci B: Kars, DIO, Jotaro, Giorno, Diavolo C: Kira (if Kira has non-stand user nearby but hasn't attached bites the dust to him yet, it's otherwise almost impossible to compare bites the dust with others it's either insta win-with few exceptions or it's useless), Josuke, Jolyne/Joseph D: Jonathan, Dio N/A: Jodio
Would you be down to discuss GER's scaling on Discord? I believe that I could change your mind on his scaling. We can do it over RUclips but I prefer Discord by a landslide lol
How are you gonna say GER is on fraud watch and have gappy at the top when bro had his ass literally put on life support by some fodder ass rock insects? If his opponent isnt WoU hes getting slammed
The timeskip hadn't ended yet? Diavolo was just getting his attack ready so that it would hit right after his timeskip ended. That was his whole thing... Literally a few panels later he's talking about how his "timeskip" is reversing. It hasn't ended by that point. GER's ability literally defies fate itself, something that no character has shown to be above other than GER by proving Epitaphs prediction to be incorrect.
My only problem with young Joseph is giving him MFTL because the only reason anyone gets such speed is because of their stands, still top of B though. Main misconception is that just because a being better than b doesn’t mean that a is surpieor in every way
@@Ghostface833citation needed. The only thing I could think you would be referring to is space ripper stingy eyes, but those aren’t light, it’s liquid.
METAs-Senpai I'll like to disagree on several points. Idk if you'll see this but here I go -First, I don't think Jonathan should be rank below old Joseph. I agree he is the weakest JoJo but the way you presented him make him look bad in my eyes. Let me start with his power. People mention how Jonathan got killed by a vampire but Joseph beat one first try. Jonathan did beat a vampire first try. He withstood DIO's attacks, blow after blow, before learning Hamon. Jonathan fought two powerful Zombies (Which I believe are stronger than part2 vampires). One which as a human, was so strong he survived and broke five axes with his neck before the 6th got him. The other was said to be very fast but I don't know how much. Jonathan cleaved through Tarkus like he was paper. And broke the collar he could not even with his additional zombie power. In terms of speed, we can use DIO as comparism as you do. In this case take Part3 DIO without his stand (who should be physically weaker than his part1 self due to Jonathan rejecting him) . He was able to react to Kakyoin's ES (which you said was faster than Silver Chariot's attacks in a previous video : SP vs KC) Also, DIO lifting a steam roller says alot ( You could argue he was powered up). Now there are not many strategic feats in part 1 due to basic abilities. But Jonathan was clearly able to use his environment in his fights. Joseph had an easier time due to guns, grenades, planes and stuff and the others had their stands. Jonathan is pretty OP when you look at it well. Secondly, I cant accept Joseph is stronger than Jolyne, Josuke4 and base Giorno. He may be smarter but its not a big difference as all JoJos have proven several times to be able to outsmart their opponents. Its just they have different skills to work with (Like Jotaro is smarter than Josuke4 but doesn't pull the smarter feats because he doesn't have a versatile ability) Josuke4 is close to SP in terms of power and speed. Jolyne was fast enough to wound Pucci and hold her own for sometime against MIH and Giorno can gaurd against Diavolo's Time Skip attack on time. Kars' Light mode is able to react to a machine gun bullet but Joseph has not gone through a Speed attack Showdown against Kars. Also Josuke4 has taken alot of punishment from opponents like getting thrown at 70kmh on a pavement, taking blast from killerQueen and other stuff. Jolyne took several bullets in her fights, set her body on fire, fought Rikiel with a twisted leg, got turned inside out the same day by CMoon and took on MIH. Giorno in 1week fought vicious stand users one by one, without previous battle experience. I don't think Part2 Joseph can compare alot to them. He's Op thou. Also, im happy someone finally admits Jotaro could fight and beat Johnny But Lastly, I think Go Beyond is given to much credit. I will still keep Gappy as Number 1 but will tie him with Giorno. Go beyond is like Tusk act 4. Its a one-shot ability. Gappy cant aim correctly and could miss, so its OP as long as it touches you. Go Beyond looks like it will pass through Time stop as it exist outside reality. But it i cant say for sure it can beat Return to Zero. RTZ can literally change fate, which no one else have clearly done in JoJo till date( idk about the end of Stone Ocean, if that counts) It means Giorno also have reality bending powers as he can change fate in JoJo. Anyways its upto Araki to decide what is Canon. I will rank the JoJos like; 1# Gappy and Giorno(GER) 2# Jotaro and Johnny 3# Giorno(above Josuke4 and Jolyne because he has speed A, is versatile, Stamina and Brutal/no mercy) 4# Josuke 5# Jolyne 6# Joseph 7# Jonathan 8# Old Joseph Thanks for going through. This is my own point of view. Feel free to disagree like I did.
Question. You are right that there are no defined speed feats in Part 1. That said wouldnt Jonathan scale to Part 3 Dio's speed since you've addressed this multiple times as well as the series that. Dio was weaker than his part 1 self through the majority of part 3 and either A. Reached his original strength by drinking Joseph's blood or B. Close to his original self. So if Jonathan could beat pt 1 Dio, would it be fair to say he's relative to pt 3 Dio speed wise or no?
ah yes, i love how you say destroying boulders immediately scales you to building level plus, I know some viewers just hear how intelligent the yap sounds, but ifd you think about it, half the things you say don't make sense.
It makes me sad to hear Johnny has Gone down the joestar totem pole he’s used to be 2nd even with go beyond but the more statements came out for go beyond and wonder of u he went down to third and now seeing him in 4th is kinda disheartening especially since him and tusk are my favorite stand and joestar though josuke and soft and wet go beyond have grown on me to 2nd favorite
15:12 it may not be DIO and there may not be evidence to support AU stands having the same stats but! There’s no evidence on the contrary to that either.
Aight cool, i think jonathan should be a B minimum though seeig as if he had his *confirmed* stand which is just a different version of hermit purple, he'd probably be much more versatile. And i believe that jonathan would keep up his hamon training had he not died, meaning he'd be around when stands became relevant (Had his body not been the requirement to start the joestars stands.)
I always feel like I'm missing something, I thought Gappys go beyond bubbles were about as strong as his regular ones, but wonder of u wasn't able to deflect them because they approximated to zero, to not exist, and you can't be pursued by what doesn't exist? Like a hard counter rather than sheer overpowering. Did I misunderstand something?
I do think you understimate jolyne, but shes in an accurate place on the tier list. Its just that jolyne always goes against the most crazy ass broken fucking stands in part 6 and kind of makes hers look sub par
Soft and Wet is so scary to me as he stole all the air from Yotsuyu forcing him to drown imagine if he was more sadistic and all the other ways he could plunder I imagine him taking a persons ability to feel pain as he beats them to near death so that they can watch and do nothing that to me is levels of terrifying that I can't comprehends
I feel like the existence of Tusk Act 4 beats Star Platinum the World which puts him above Jotaro. Jotaro is by far a more consistent in ability and fighting, but the high end is where a head to head fight would end.
So based off your video and your scaling which makes sense, GER wouldn’t be able to stop a go beyond bubble. Could he be able to reset the damage he took from the go beyond bubble back to zero or could he just use the base abilities of GE to heal himself? I still believe Giorno wins purely if you take both of those into account but if that’s not the case then Gappy beats him
I'm not sure if I follow entirely on how something being able to damage something else works for the scaling here; as generally, the assumption is that if character A(vaguely weaker) manages to damage character B(calced to be at insert level) to some/a notable extent, character A is upscaled to around but not necessarily equal to character B. However in the section on Jolyne's durability, she gets downscaled(to a non-specific degree which isn't really relevant to the overall point) off of weaker characters being able to damage her. I'm wondering if there's like, specifics to those interactions that make this a different case from the usual scaling logic.
Before i watch ima give my opinion/predictions 1. Giorno 2. Johnny 3. Gappy 4. Jotaro 5/6. Josuke/jolyne(I'm leaning towards Josuke winning but this is the closest matchup) 7. Joseph 8. Jonathan 9. Jodio
Gappy, Johnny, Jotaro, Josuke, Giorno(without requiem obviously), Joleyne, Johnathan, Joseph imo. The last two (or first two Jojos) could be swapped depending on the argument but I think Johnathan out powers Joseph even with Joseph’s stand.
You can scale josuke to s tier but in reality he’s not stronger then any of the joestars in excluding jonathen and Joseph using part 7 and 8 scaling every joestar below him would blitz him and 1 tap him in while he has the most op ability he wouldn’t ever really win in a fight the only reason why josuke is so terrifying is cause he’s a direct counter to tooru but this doesn’t really get him anywhere
What in the heck are you talking about? Gappy alone with just regular Soft and Wet would be able to dominate all the Joestars below the A tier, considering how broken it is with it's plunder ability along with the fact of how smart Gappy is. Then put Soft and Wet and Go Beyond in the conversation, and tell me who is going to beat him!
@@cameronsmith7040 you can have the best ability ever but it doesn’t matter if you can’t hit for example let’s say happy hits jolyne with plunder and takes her sight jolynes been able to fight without seeing so that wouldn’t matter then she’d tie him up and rock his ass And for josukes part he isn’t fast enough to dodge a single attack of theirs nore have the durability to withstand it it’s like um the Gojo PROBELM He can’t be hit by normal punches but just because he can’t be hit doesn’t mean he can hit you if your too fast the fight will just be stalemate only for josuke they can hit him rather quickly as well
am I hallucinating or do I hear SMT and Persona music in the background??🔥✨(can’t quite hear very well with his voice and I don’t wanna blast my ears with the video on full volume in my headphones) edit: Yeah it is, we can hear it clearly at the end of the video
Dude, it’s kinda crazy to me that I can say to someone “Hey, you know how matter can’t be created or destroyed? It’s just like a fact of nature? Well, there’s this one guy…”
I just wanna say how I'm really happy that my boy Joseph Joestar is finally getting some recognition and not just being place as the second weakest Joestar just because he has no stand. Not only is hamon still incredibly lethal but hes just super strong and has the battle intelligence to back it up. even if he's not in the higher tiers like jotaro giorno or johnny i still thought he could maybe josuke and definitlry jolyne.
Let's give our respect to Joseph Joestar. He survived against both the Pillar Men and DIO's group, survived a volcano erupting right under his feet, died and came back, and he was still alive during Part 6.
The guy may not have been very powerful, but his survival skills are SS tier.
He has to thank his grandson (Jotaro) for that revival to keep on living till the very end. Not to mention that epic prank he pulled on him immediately after. 😂
He has the highest luck stat
He survived 4 pillar men
Santan
Esi disi
Wammu
Kars
And then ultimate kars
Dude is the god of luck
I… see what u did there
Idk you but you seem like a real considerate person to offer to change your comment over a swear word keep doing you bro
powerscaling is hilarious man because powerscalers will casually say everyone is moving faster than light without stopping to think about how ridiculous that sounds
i mean star platinum was stated to be faster than light in its bio in both stone ocean and stardust crusaders
There are still feats bruh, and its literally fiction.
Yeah, as ridiculous as people manifesting their souls into pure physical energy. Crazy
Its so dumb like hes saying that old fat grandpa joseph can run around the earth 7 times in 1 second like broooo
@@brothsipper-h5o if it's literally fiction then why try to use real life "calculations" to explain it? if you're going to use real life logic to justify a feat then i can use real life logic to explain how that makes no sense lmao
I like to give Jolyne the highest intelligence feat, for the sole fact that she used Stone Free to turn her body into a Mobius Strip, so that C-Moon couldn't invert her body. I was beyond flabbergasted. She really takes after her Great Grandpa.
that intelligence feat cant really be compared to the others cuz they have different abilities so we cant really assume that the other joestars wouldnt do it too if they had her stand
nah, yeah shes probably higher in intelligence but joseph was able to outplay someone with a stated 400 iq (which is humanely impossible levels of intelligence) so joseph stands in a league of his own that no one has come even close to yet.
@@legitbooty2989 but it's humanely impossible, how can joseph outplay someone with 400 IQ if that's not even an achievable metric to begin with
@@blackxfiied_ i mean, not sure once you past 300 what you are even calculating, 400 is basically you can instantly figure out anything you observe, if not even some greater understanding than what we currently know people capable of. joseph didnt outplay Kars via intelligence though, he had luck/fate on his side. he even says he didnt plan it out to happen as it did.
Unlike dolphin lover. ORA
1:58- Additionally, I am very confident that Jodio's Stand will definitely evolve and/or get a broken power that makes Go Beyond seem like child's play in order to defeat an even more broken villain than Wonder of U already was somewhere later in the part.
Honestly, feels like it's not fun anymore to have "more and more broken powers". Maybe it would be better to have something more simple but versatile...
@@sozdatelj Yeah, like Joylne and Josuke
@@3einEye I mean…. Neither Jolyne nor Josuke would have beat their respective villains without help from jotaro in some way or another.
@@sozdateljyeah that’s what I’d like too, but honestly, after seeing WoU and Go Beyond, Araki made it pretty clear that he’s just escalating the powers since part 7. It’s a shame too, I would’ve preferred just versatile interesting uses of one power
The issue with so many of the new stands and parts is that they just get so broken and pointlessly infinitely strong (like Wonder of U and GER type broken)
My favourite Joestar is Jolyne. She may not be the strongest but she is very adaptable and smart when using her stand. Stone Free also very versatile in many situations with her strings.
@@organicelephant5416Part 6 onwards, Araki began focusing on writing a better story.
She really used her stand creatively with its way more limited abilities compared to the rest.
@@rayyan3958oh absolutely, his tastes changed over the years and it's only gotten better
@@ProjektTaku it's actually incredibly versatile
@@blackxfiied_ yes, but in comparison to the others not so much. Obviously, Star Platinum is way less varied but makes up for it with raw physical stats and time stop, Josuke can instantly restore any object or person to a previous state, obviously healing people, but can also alter its restoration, like fusing a man with a rock or book.
Then there's Giorno, who's regular ability is already insanely ranged with being able to any life or body part, and accelerate people's senses or even half-revive them.
Now cook up the Novel Kars video we have been waiting for that for about a month and a half
Your lack of patience is showing
@@nighfinite I am interested in the novels man
REAL THE BOOK IS LONG AS FUCK
@@METAsMETAs ikr it is 900 pages long
I have also read it.
@@TheForgottenOne_So am I I just like to tease.
Putting Giorno and johnny at A tear is CRIMINAL
Gold experience is a wimp
@@santi_super_stunts2573 yes its not very strong. but he can negate evrything your trying to do... so to win against G.E.R. you are not allowed to interact with him at all. for this reason i would place him in low S tier. ofcourse reality alternating effects can still get around that in some cases.
@@PandaXStorm thats actually not true ger isnt allat
@pierrelucaskanakri2370 age?
@@pierrelucaskanakri2370Meh not rly G.E.R or at least what i perceive return to 0 as is the ability to return the action or will of the attacker to zero. So theoretically if p8 josuke used soft and wet go beyond it could be returned to 0 same thing goes for wonder of U where G.E.R could return the affects of calamity to 0 but end of the day its just jba bizarre power scaling and unclear ability's u could honestly argue either way on who wins
I feel Jolyne is just tuned more to using her stand in smart ways rather than strong ways. She uses her stand well because she's very smart, her stand is one of those useful ones for someone with high intelligence but it's not insanely strong like the others
I feel like jolyne would be really close to young joseph in terms of being smart, she used her stand as a printer to know somebody's face that she kept forgetting, and also prevented her body from being reversed, that's just really smart.
And I can definitely see her beating josuke in a real fight even tho her stats aren't as crazy
Joseph can predict what you are going to say/do in the future literally
I personally feel like some of the re-evaluation of Tusk Act 4 is lowballing too much: Even if they are different characters, it is still moved in stopped time, and moving a little bit in stopped time due to what is stated to be infinite power shouldn't really change him being above the World that much. (he lost the fight due to weird situational aspects+it's a race, so time stop and countering your ability is kind of important)
However, it was really satisfying seeing a list where it showed different variations of the characters. My preference would be the characters throughout the arc+the character when they unlock the BS end of arc hax (such as seeing non time stop Jotaro, non requiem Giorno, No Go Beyond Gappy, and different acts of Johnny) but really fun video regardless of my personal nit picks.
Johnny gets shot by bullets throughout the part tbf
Tusk Act 4 is op as hell, but Johnny is kinda the dumbest Jojo, so that pulls him down a peg.
@@darreltan1694this is just the most biggest lie i have ever read
Looking at it the jump from b to a is pretty massive(discounting part 4 jotaro) because you go from some solidly strong stands to like definitely top 10 stands in all of jojo
Stronest Joestar:
*S H O E S K E*
Nah qtaro and flat platinum
@@Onnippppp😂
Jonathon’s head after DIO took over his body > all of fiction
johnny below jotaro is absolutely outrageous his stand is arguably top 3 in the verse and his usage of the stand is nearly perfect as he learned all 5 lessons to learn the infinite rotation which could scale to infinite speed and power i would place him below giorno and gappy but johnny is way higher
He needs a horse.... a horse
@@MartinDemariohe can use act 3 without the horse. He did need a horse to channel act 4 though
I’d agree, but tbf while I think Johnny scales higher and is stronger, a horse wincon is kinda crazy. Still tho Johnny hax are way too good to be getting triumphed by jotaro,
@@tyrone2048 trust me I want to put him higher but it’s quit literally stated that GER is above stand power itself and happy has a attack that literally doesn’t exist but still jotaro has nothing but his biq to maybe make it a tiny bit hard for johnny
@@clipzy2310 maybe I’ll use d4c to go the universe where Araki didn’t write a yellow pissdemon to have the ability to kill a very queer mafia boss infinite times (Johnny>Giorno, and GER fans can SUCK MY NUTSSSSS, gappy’s cool tho)
"I am about to lose my shit"
-Jodio Joestar
Johnny should be at S tier, if SP touches, JUST touches ta4 Jotaro dies, everyone that touches ta4 basically die.
Fr the Johnny disrespect is unreal
And not forget the ultimate defense ability of Tusk Act 3. Johnny can just hide in a wormhole where he is untouchable. One Top he can shoot Tusk act 4 with his fingernails. His Range, AP, and Speed are completely broken. Johnny should definitely be number 1. His only weakness would be Wonder of U.
@@dopaminvitamin fax
@@dopaminvitaminspeed not so much,if its ta3,johnny will need to attack jotaro from the wormwhole and jotaro outscales johnny in speed a lot.
Johnny most is ftl while Jotaro is mftl+,shooting him with sol attacks wont hit jotaro,and the time stop is a probably,johnny can get one shotted if jotaro time stops.
For ta4,it would be difficult for both,jotaro is still faster but hax would carry johnny.
If they had prep time i would say jotaro would win,stop time and get johnny off his horse so he cant use infinite spin(jotaro is also way more powerful than any tusk variant)only problem is that ta4 can move in ts,but again jotaro can overpower is in a barrage fight he could get to johnny and one shot him.
A Common misconception is that the strongest character in lists like these can't lose to characters below it,maybe Johnny can beat jotaro or gappy,but THATS NOT THE POINT OF THE VIDEO,the video is about stats and not a Battle Royale amongst the joestars
I think Giorno is on top, because GER also crosses logic by reversing a place where time was not present. And for having created a complex multiverse. But even if Go Beyond is above Return To Zero, Go Beyond is still very complicated to get right. And that quote from Araki says that Tooru is the most powerful, but only among the villains.
Theres two arguements for ger,being what you just said,or being a fraud.
I think ger is a fraud,reasoning,the requim arrow was made to fight against diavolo,and the arrow gave giorno an ability to revert back time 10 seconds,and rtz is always on,when diavolo used te,rtz was already returning it back,as giorno used it before diavolo did.
So the multiversal scales are fraudulent,its universal as every time ability is universal.
@@JosuGlubo Giorno's ability is canonically to revert the actions and will of any individual (Through Araki himself). Although it counters Diavolo/King Crimson, it doesn't ONLY counter Diavolo.
WOU and GER are pretty similar in that regard, though one is offensive and the other is defensive. If you attempt to pursue Tooru, you get hit by a bus or something, if you attempt to attack Giorno, that attack never occurs. In that regard, GER surpasses Go Beyond, because it'll revert the action and will of Josuke launching the attack, aka it never will happen
@@SomeEpicDoge for rtz to even happen,giorno needs to hit that particular person(punch,ranged attack,anything that hurts the other),yes for josuke its a counter,josuke is relatively slow and would end up activating rtz which reverts back any actions and heals the user.
For anybody that is faster than giorno or can stop time(Jotaro,DIO)he easy.Pucci would speedblitz Giorno while time stop users will stop time and destroy him in time stop.
Johnny could win as how can Giorno hit him when hes in a wormhole.
Hell even Joseph with hermit purple and part 2 hamon has a chance.
Ger isnt as powerful as many ppl think.
@@JosuGlubo GER is passive, it isn't activated by Giorno. It's not a matter of speed or time hax anymore.
Vs. DIO & Jotaro: GER itself is multidimensional, it will work during Timestop and revert that action. GER wins
Vs. Johnny: There is something to be said with infinite rotation, but any attack to Giorno will be reverted by GER. GER wins.
Vs. MIH: Speed isn't an issue. GER has incredible stats and will still activate as long as an attack is directed at him. GER wins.
Vs. Josuke/Josuke 8. Part 4 Josuke has no shot, Josuke 8 might depending on Go Beyond, yet there's not enough evidence. GER wins/?
Vs. Jonathan/Joseph: GER Wins. What are you cooking?
@@JosuGlubo Wait, wait, wait. "for rtz to even happen,giorno needs to hit that particular person(punch,ranged attack,anything that hurts the other),"
No?? Giorno does not need to hit the other person to activate RTZ... Where'd you get that from?
bro saying johnny and giorno on fraud watch bouta get him swatted 😭
pls stop arguing in the replies this comment is so old omg
And then he puts the biggest fraud in S tier lmao.
@@saintgogeto675conceptual and 5th dimensional ap is a fraud huh
@@saintgogeto675gappy is undoubtably S tier lmao
@@theyhateswervo3705 Bruh part 8 has literally little to no speed feat. And Soft and Wet's durability is wall level.
I'd argue any schmuck with a machine gun could gun gappy down easily. That sounds like an "S" tier to you? Glass canons are trash.
Nah but johnny and Giorno are S tier as well
Great video! I thought the entire discussion was really fun to watch. Here's my own input on the subject...
I think Joseph's entire arc was about fighting foes stronger than he was. Never once in the story did Joseph fight someone weaker than him, as he was always at some sort of physical disadvantage.
Cops in the alley had guns, Straitz was a vampire, Santiago was a Pillerman, Caesar was a stronger Hamon user, ACDC and Wham were even stronger Pillermen, and Kars was the ultimate lifeform. Every time, Joseph was at some kind of physical disadvantage and had to compensate with his strategic mind.
I still stand by my belief that Joseph is the weakest Joestar in terms of raw power output, but he is the most strategic and resourceful in the family. And that's saying a lot, since the whole family is full of brilliant minds.
(though, his intelligence really didn't shine through in Part 3, spare a select few episodes where he had small moments to shine)
NEED a full tierlist with every character now.
Or just a tier list of the jobros
@@manupm9161all background characters
thats not anywhere near as exciting as you think it would be and would take SO LONG
Whats the ranking for Pinocchio?
@@GorillaFan_32 S+
Ability wise josuke
In an actual fight
Giorno doggs everyone
Josuke would OneShot gio though theoretically
@@somepvpguy69 requiem wouldn't let that happen
@@somepvpguy69 good luck landing a hit in a vital area
Giorno can fly is much faster and can pummel josuke do death with life beams
Get wouldn't let it happen but his power is logical and the bubble is above logic but I can see the argument
I'll change my comment to theoretically
I love me some Gappy love, the amount of times I've seen people downscale him to being bottom C is insane
I'd have him in A personally but yea some people downplay bro
Always a shame that jolyne is one of the weaker joestars but part 6 is so amazing in large part because the power scaling is kept in check. The arcs set in the prison are so amazing BECAUSE jolyne has so many limitations as a stand user AND YET she is so intelligent and she surrounds herself with such amazing allies that she stands up to the most dangerous villain in the series (at least til that point)
Great List, now that we've covered the Villains and Protagonists...we gotta do the Jobro's 😉
Or even crazier, the Team members in each Part that aren't the main Joestar.
wouldnt part 4 rohan destroy absolutely everyone?
@@CubemasterXDhe is strong and all. Too bad that Gyro, Weather, Polnareff and Okuyasu (if he was not so dumb) exist
w tatsuya pfp
@@tuandung5398 good point, i forgot about weather
I sorta disagree with Gappy placement/WOU scaling. Calamity being stated as the strongest flow doesn't mean that WOU scales above Jotaro or anything like that. For example, WOU is stronger than Goku. Does that mean that WOU has stats on par with Goku?Hell no, it just means that WOU can beat Goku. Giorno should've been №1 as his haxs would allow him to beat a wider variety of opponents than Gappy. Go Beyond is way too hard to land and even then it's not a one shot as Tooru clearly survived the hit.
WHA WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP GOKU😭😭😭😭
Can he beat Goku?
Wou strongest villain statement and at least my interpretation that is jojolion jonnhy cameo is below calamity and more resent statements trumps any Ger statements and in feat wou>GER
Nah the moment people bring up Goku or Saitama is the hint that their opinion doesn’t matter
Honestly valid point
Mad respect for you always playing some great SMT music for your videos. 🎉
True
Jobro tier list would be interesting
It would pretty much be dominated by Gyro.
@@browdoe you forgot Goatwagon
I still feel like Giorno realistically bodies everyone here, including Gappy
His ability defies logic itself, and again, despite the many arguments about the ability only working exclusively against Diavolo, that has never been confirmed.
THEREFORE, if that is true, Giorno is on fraudwatch, but if it isn't there is realistically no good way of winning a fight against him. Especially for the protagonists.
Gappy can possibly defeat him, but i dont think he ever would. GER seemed to apparently revert Diavolo's actions to a point where they hadn't even happened. I feel like the same would happen with Gappy. Despite Go Beyond not existing, the point is that calamity is something that works on what we can perceive, and Go Beyond does not abide by the laws of the world of Jojo's. Based on that, i think it's safe to say something like GER that also doesn't, could perceive it as an attack. Not because it exists, but because there was intent behind it.
TLDR; I still think Giorno is the strongest character in the series because not even Go Beyond could possibly work on GER
EOH Jotaro: so it’s the same type of stand as star platinum
What about jobros? I think it'd be pretty interesting because of how little they're talked about power wise
People really love to underestimate Jonathan, no? Talking about raw power alone Jonathan is the single strongest Hamon user in the series, bar none (not counting Ultimate Lifeform Kars, of course). He mastered Hamon in a week, something that other Hamon users took years or even decades to master. Joseph never actually mastered Hamon but he compensated that by being a very strategic, resourceful fighter, and that's why he was able to defeat foes that were way above his league.
I love Jonathan as anyone should. He's awesome but it feels disingenuous to say he's better than Joseph in hamon. Jonathan learned hamon in a week or so. He still needed Zeppeli's power boost to beat Tarkus and Dio. Meanwhile Joseph was naturally talented with hamon as a child, he beat Straizo who was written to be a equivalent to Dio for Joseph to beat and held his own against Santana and Wamuu before training who are far more resilient to hamon and the sun than vampires.
Joseph trained for a month to be able to defeat Esidisi and Wamuu. Yes his victories revolve heavily around deception and sleight of hand but he still needed to have amped hamon to be able to kill. Not to mention his techniques with hamon are much more refined than Jonathan's.
Jonathan is physically stronger than Joseph but Joseph is more refined in hamon.
I feel like the difference of part 1 and 2 is really simple:
Jonathon struggled to get his hamon to a point to damage vampires. Joseph didn't, he killed a Dio level threat at the start, and then he trained his hamon to damage PIllarmen who quite literally eat vampires. I feel like it's the most one to one scaling and you really can't rank Jonathon higher.
People underestimate Joseph insanely
No. This comment is underestimating Joseph.Joseph’s sheer hamon power when EXHAUSTED was enough to cleave through base kar’s arm blade. Base Kars >>>>>> dio in every way. Not only is joseph faster (but probably not) stronger, but his hamon is able to contest with pillar men. Jonathan’s hamon wouldn’t do the same. AND Jonathan gets cleared by Lisa Lisa, who is also a master of hamon who is able to contest pillar men.
@HabitualThinker Not only that but Joseph ripped off the seats off an airplane which require 325 Mpa.That's insane
If it doesn't state that Diegos the world is the same, than it also doesn't state it isn't the same. Both Johnny and Gappy have abilities that both beat abilities nothing could beat.
I think it’ll be revealed that Jodio is somehow using calamity in his rain the same way Wonder Of U’s calamity used rain like how Josuke was using the spin in his bubbles
"sbr has questionable scaling"
"jonathan punches mftl"
yeah
This is why I always end up clicking off powerscaling videos because of dumbass shit like that. A grain of sand going the speed of light has the potential to destroy the world, so imagine a grown man going faster than light hitting something. It just takes a little common sense to figure out why that makes no sense. Before someone says “it’s fiction” you’re using real life “calculations” and “logic” to make these claims, I can use real life common sense why it’s stupid
Gabbi scaling to WoU is not fair, as WoU has the ultimate hax of the whole series, and gabbi happens to be the only person to have a direct anti WoU hax. Thus, he indeed beats WoU, as the latter has no stats, but would loose to a number of other characters, including Joestars. He is still weaker than GER (although he has the technical ability to win, unlike, say, Jolene); he gets demolished by time stop, and his attacks are slower then Johnny's, making them easier to dodge.
Also, I don't see young Joseph beating Josuke and Jolene, as his stats are not as useful against stands.
Happy has anti all jojo hax and ignores all law/ rules of the verse including calamity fate logic time etc and as he said hax is a big deal
@@josephrogers3666 he can kill anyone in the verse in theory, but unlike WOU can also be killed by many. Jotaro would end him in an instant despite all the hax, and he would also instantly perish against WOU.
@pinthecool1 oh I agree without the speed to keep up with original universe scaling or pasly park to aim the bubbles from his birth mark that have the properties he would lose in a fight almost guaranteed I just think ignoring the fact the go beyond if aimed right has the speed and ap/power the one hit anyone in the verse is un fair
@@josephrogers3666 what's the point of having the strongest attack in the world if you can never land it?
@@pinthecool1 i really can’t answer that
If u really want to know read the manga
Power scaling is insane we just casually say a character is massively faster than light (+)
No JJBA character is MFTL+, they are MFTL at most
Brought this up on another video regarding Pucci getting tagged. Pucci, due to MiH, moves with the accelerated time of the universe. Non-living and dead objects do this as well while living ones move at regular speed. So Jolyne tagging him isn't as impressive when you realize that not only is he distracted by her sudden disappearance followed by her trying to Rush him, was hit with the knife, a non-living object, that's being thrown by her Stand, a "living" object, causing a massive disconnect between the movements the stand is taking to throw the knife and the actual speed of the knife. Stone Free is basically moving at normal speed throwing the knife, followed by the knife flying forward at ridiculous speeds not proportional to the force it was being thrown with (much like the baseball incident earlier in MiH's Time Accel).
I swear tusk broke through dc4 love train(infinte amount of dimensional walls=infinte space) and reached out to hit funny valentine mind you he was tryna get deeper into love train which i say again has infinte space. Aslo lovely video again
Lowkey i think Jolyne is overall stronger than Josuke if we're looking at who could reasonably sustain/attack in a fight. Ik you said Jolyne has no hacks, which is true on like an OP scale, but the string is definitely moderate level of hacks. She can do split second stitchwork (which is better than josuke could do for himself in a 1v1), she can use her string for mobility by pulling herself, she's even cheated out most normally unbeatable stands thanks to her quick thinking with it like with C-Moon. In terms of combat her physical strength doesn't meet his but her versatility would have him btfo
I definitely agree. As long as Jolyne does not say anything about josukes hair, she would beat him in a 1v1 fight
Something i'd like to addto this; While the ranking for Josuke(8) might change if you consider his ability to have been retconned from the op debut abilities. With Go Beyond, his great stats, feats and his surprise weapon of Kira's explosive bubbles still make him a big enough threat to stay comfy at the top of A (effectively doing nothing)
Nah he’s definitely the strongest based off of the araki statement about wou
@@Dark139hunter That was what i was referring to with "stats".
Though regardless this comment was mostly made to remind viewers how many tricks Josuke has up his sleeves.
(Bubbles{in general}, blunder, explosive spin/Kira's bubbles, Go Beyond, punching ghost with relatively high stats, impressive durability {wou scaling} and being part of the "master tactician club" of Joestars, though not being in the same level as the big 3 of Joseph, Jolyne and Giorno)
@@LynxTheUnrelated you said his ranking could change if you included his retconned ability which is what I was referring to
@@Dark139hunter I see!
But by only moving from S to top of A, effectively not changing anything, since he's still above everyone else.
Just now he wouldn't be as impossible to defeat as with the ability sto steal consepts, so no S tier.
I can see what may have caused the confusion.
Tusk act 4 can move in stopped time and is essentially a one shot ability with utilizing infinity how does jotaro beat Johnny? Star platinum couldn’t even get close enough to him to do anything.
Exactly. I mean: Johnny shoots his nail aka bullet aka tusk act 4 towards Jotaro who has no fucking clue what spin is. He would try to block it with Star Platinum...aaaaaand he is dead.
ooor he time stops and dodges@@dopaminvitamin
@@hawksnowwhite969 dio won cus valentine told him bout jonyr ability .... Nd tusk can move in stopped time ... He was like try to touch jonys hand bitch
@@hawksnowwhite969 tusk can move in stopped time
@@hawksnowwhite969tusks bullet went trough universes lets say the universe is as big as ours it should be 93 billion light years wich means his bullet has the speed of light x 93 billion
I woulkdnt wonder if I cooked nothing
13:50-13:59 I think the whole point is, despite being jotaro's daughter, she's supposed to be her own character with her own feats.
just my opinion.
This is why no one takes power scalers seriously
True, this is prolly Metas’ worst video, I don’t know why the fuck he’s just throwing around building level, island level around with no weight to them. This video makes me wanna cleanse my life of powerscaling tbh
@@konoheisenbergda exactly this. This shit makes me want to tear my eyes out cause of how context is completely ignored for all these characters. Giving old joseph MFTL genuinely spawned a cancer cell in my brain.
@@redrufe I get that some JoJo characters can be Island Level, hell the ones he dubbed Island Level, I consider to be Large Country Level. But the scaling was just all over the place in this one, it was like asking an AI to do powerscaling for you lol
Gappy is number 1 because he has 4 balls 😎
4:13 now looking at this Joseph artwork, it's kinda funny that in more recent arts Araki always depicts Joseph using a Pilot's hat even tho every single time Joseph was shown on a plane something bad happened.
Who let this guy cook? I mean seriously!
Shouldn't Tusk Act 4 scale to it's infinite rotation & D4C:LT since, he was able rip apart the Love Train barrier which only his bullet was able to pierce it?
It should.
@@raidenpainn1561 Yeah, I'd agree like... ...how can you disprove that if he's literally demonstrating an pre-established statement but now as a feat?
@@TermiHorsecity we do see him break apart the barrier to whoop the president
@@raidenpainn1561 I wholeheartedly agree with your proposition & keep in mind, this is the same barrier that was ONLY penetrated by infinite rotation from Tusk Act 4.
About Jodio let's be real, his ability while strong is a lot more situational, as it requires both an open enough area for his rather tall stand to fit in but also depends on positioning.
Can't wait to see how this comment ages
Let’s come back to this in a year and see how that pans out
i love how in powerscalling one is massive faster than light yet he needs to travel in a car or a plane to go to a certain place, or someone is strong enough to destroy the multiverse yet has difficulties on trying to open a door. powerscalling is soo fun
I love the part 2 food chain chart, yes, animals photosynthesize too
Honestly I think the argument for GER can be made or broken depending on the interpretation for Epitaph. If we go by JoJo’s narrative that fate is linear or predetermined, GER denying the reality that Epitaph saw would mean it’s above fate itself and genuinely has no chance of losing because fate does its bidding. Hence the statement that it told Diavolo which was that no stand or person before him will ever reach the truth, the truth in this case being Giorno being hurt or GER itself being overpowered by a stand. That is if we go by the narrative that GER is above fate itself and can manipulate anything to its will as long as it avoids the predetermined faith wherein it or giorno gets harmed or defeated
Unless giorno was fated to "change fate" in the way that he does
you could scale johnny to universal strength due to TA4 being able to grab and move apart love train
"The fuck u say about my hair?" Lmaoo I am dead 💀
Part 2 Joseph is Wonder U before stands even were a thing
how the heck you give joseph faster then light speed stat he is literally just a human no way he can achive lightspeed or above
because anime powerscaling is autistic as shit and almost never makes sense because the people doing the scaling remove any and all context to the feats that they use as examples.
Reacted to star platinum
@@SidneyG-u6e not that starplatinum moves at light speed everytime
In my opnion of the top tiers
Johnny > Giorno > Gappy > Jotaro
And i'll explain why
Johnny > Giorno cause of the infinite rotation bypassing return to zero, since there isn't a way to return something that is infinite and that is always constantly making energy
Johnny giorno > gappy because even gappy himself could not defeat WOU alone even with the perfect counter stand, because of the simple fact *he can not control go beyond bubbles*
If he could, he would win agains't both of them, but gappy's normal controlable bubbles are slower than tusk's nails and can not bypass RTZ
Johnny > jotaro
Jotaro is a close range only user, so Johnny needs to only shoot a
Single nail from far away to win
And a single touch from tusk4 can make him spin violently
Johnny >>> all
Return to Zero isn't a barrier, it just removes the cause from the effect. So it will just stop act 4 from happening in the first place.
@@raidenpainn1561 Technically even if he couldnt revert the energy of the IR, he could probably still revert the nail since it was also affected by Time stop
@@michaelmorbillionmorbius3596 yes, GER can revert nail and slap Johnny.
So my one question with all the hype behind S&W:GB is the actual power of the stand itself, rather than specifically the bubbles. I agree with all the statements said about GB's bubbles, how they exist above the physics and logic that WoU reigns over. But from what I know, I don't think that alone places it at the pinnacle of stands.
I've personally never really liked the basic "A beats B beats C, therefore A beats C" of powerscaling, at least when it comes to a series with abilities as specific and creatively applicable as JoJo's. Yes, WoU is the strongest antag stand. That's not really something arguable, statements by Araki as well as basic logic just kind of show how it trounces every previous villain stand, outside of maybe some MiH shenanigans, or maybe a stalemate (as long as FV stays in the barriers) with D4C:LT. But I don't think that automatically makes S&W:GB the most powerful main JoJo stand. I do agree that its probably one of, if not the most powerful one-shot ability out of any of them, but that's not all there is to a battle.
I don't think I've seen any arguments for S&W:GB's power outside of the creative applications of plunder and the fact that he beat Toru. While I do doubt something like GER could undo the creation of the GB bubbles, which does make me curious about if Mandom's time rewind or TW's time stop would even do anything to the bubbles, they're explicitly very difficult to aim and Josuke needs help from abilities like Paisley Park to make the most of them.
Just for an example, let's look at an already tried and tested matchup: Johnny vs Josuke. Most matchups I've seen only really focus on the actual destructive power of each of their respective one-shot abilities, a perspective that is always going to favour Gappy in that interaction. But I don't think I've seen any acknowledgement of each of their respective tactics. In an actual fight between the two, I'm of the opinion that it would be significantly easier for Johnny to tag Josuke than the other way around. GB bubbles are difficult to aim, and Johnny is a very mobile threat between his horse and Tusk Act 3. Meanwhile, Johnny can position his hands just about anywhere on the battlefield to fire his 10 Act 4 shots at the far less mobile Josuke. I'm not saying its a stomp either way, but I think people focus far too much on S&W:GB's raw, literal logic-defying power rather than how practical that power actually is.
Something that a lot of the JoJo stands will do is be almost perfectly specialized to defeat their respective main villain, especially if its a stand that gets a power-up. Jotaro needed to defeat DIO, so he got an ability that stood on equal ground with TW. Giorno needed to defeat a stand that gives him additional agency in the face of fate, so he got a requiem that removed that agency altogether. Johnny and Josuke both needed to defeat stands with abilities that prevented attacks from landing, so they both got abilities that could force their way past those barriers.
Yes, in terms of who they defeated, Toru is significantly more powerful than DIO. But in a Josuke/Jotaro battle, what is S&W:GB going to do when Jotaro stops time before Josuke can punch his bubbles in the vague direction of Jotaro, walks behind him, and caves in his skull?
Intro looked mad good bro‼️
Dude, you only have 120k subs but multiple videos with over 1mil views. Viewers letting you down! I'll sub now.
Gappy just has the ultimate hack. If something doesn't exist, it can't be time stopped nor reverted to zero.
It can be reverted to zero because the way it works is it removes the cause
@@raidenpainn1561no it can’t. You can’t rtz something that defies space and logic
@@captainb.mccrea5480 ger rtz something that defied time... And logic and space=time.
Fraud Watch for Giorno is so funny 😂 I saw someone make a meme on Twitter featuring him and GER and he was labeled “potential man”, and one of the disses on there was “all if’s and when’s, never ‘is’” or something like that.
That was jobber😭😭😭
Gappy is still my favorite jojo great video man
Gappy is the GOAT!
I really love that tierlist, i strongly agree with you, goated
I think Jolyne has the potential to beat Star Platnium, as if she learned marionette, she could pull some of the Magnet tricks against Jotaro but on a whole different level.
king crimson was way stronger than silver chariot and ended up beating chariot requiem, which it is stated that GER is Stronger than chariot requiem, plus GER's confirmed ability is controlling "Absolut 0" basing this off of infinity theory "0" is the base point for everything, and as soon as the object reaches 1 it comes into existence and carries on counting up as is exists for longer, by that logic GER Controls the base point of all existing things from people to the universe it self making GER a singularity/singular point effectively GER is an anomaly in the universe making it unbeatable as it exists on its on terms. hence the strongest stand.
Chariot requiem wasn't fully developed but if it was it would probably be a lot stronger, especially with a user
Calm down with the essays
I'm not sure I buy that Straizo is legitimately better in terms of raw scaling than part 1 Dio even if I can't quite put into words _why._
Suffice it to say, though, I think one reason is the fact that Straizo said he'd win because he's better than Dio, only to then immediately get bodied by Joseph, should cast doubt on him actually being better than Dio. I'd make the case you shouldn't factor him positing he's stronger than Dio into scaling for the same reason I'd argue you shouldn't take the _many_ stand users in the series who've arrogantly said they were invincible as a sign that they are, in fact, invincible; much like them, Straizo was an unreliable narrator that provably overestimated his abilities and their limitations.
I would say at best they are relative~
Even though Santana is superior to Dio,Straizo most definitely isn't.Dio drank the blood of many people which boosted his dormant power.
Question. You are right that there are no defined speed feats in Part 1. That said wouldnt Jonathan scale to Part 3 Dio's speed since you've addressed this multiple times as well as the series that. Dio was weaker than his part 1 self through the majority of part 3 and either A. Reached his original strength by drinking Joseph's blood or B. Close to his original self. So if Jonathan could beat pt 1 Dio, would it be fair to say he's relative to pt 3 Dio speed wise or no?@@METAsMETAs
@@THENemesisXX99 no cause stand shenanigans
@@METAsMETAsbut he's assisting his stand fighting Jotaro
The idea that ‘massively faster than light’ is a phrase that doesn’t come from physics but instead comes from anime fans is unreal to me
‘Don’t get caught up in this logical fallacy’
*proceeds to be totally illogical
The stands are faster than light but not the users, they have the reaction speed tho
Nothing about this is "illogical", you are merely ignorant. There are calculations (which are based on mathematics and physics) and Araki statements which place certain JJBA characters at speeds faster than light
GER is on "fraud watch" in my eyes as there was no indication that it could react even in time skip but right after it, since Diavolo has to attack his opponents after it not in it, so GER has basically zero feats of being able to do anything in time stop nor has any better reaction feats than against King Crimson, which would just result in donut or ora barrage; i would have to put him in the bottom of A tier with also Star Platinum's time stop being said (in Stone Ocean) to be the strongest ability ever which includes GER (up until Made in Heaven became a thing ofc). I wouldn't go as far as Jobber to say that GER loses to Silver Chariot but it still is pretty overrated in my opinion. Also in my eyes Tusk really doesn't need speed scaling that much since just his hax being basically 4D entity with just straight up higher dimensionality, it shouldn't really matter speed wise since it's just way above concepts of speed in 3D (being able to cross from one 3D universe to another due to raw dimensionality is way bigger speed feat than anything like highest speeds in 3D just moving in that one universe) and ap is, as you said, literally infinite. Same would basically go for Go Beyond bubbles, just no matter how fast you are it catches up to you if you're below multiversal range. Also this may sound little bit like headcannon, but i think Tusk actually has ability to fully move in time stop, it just needs time to get used to it, like Jotaro or DIO needed when they discovered their abilities, but again it shouldn't really matter that much if Tusk is just above dimensionality wise since dimensionality>hax. Then with B tier i'm just slightly biased to Jolyne, so i would probably put her with Josuke above young Joseph, but again might just be my bias, but i would definetly put Josuke above her and all Josephs. Then Gappy is just above all of them, since everyone else just gets fucked by logic unlike Go Beyond. So with all of this my tier list would look like (positions in tiers matter):
S: Josuke 8
A: Johnny (might even be between S/A, like A+), Jotaro, Giorno
B: Josuke, Jolyne/Joseph
C: Jonathan
N/A: Jodio
with villains it would be:
S: Josuke 8, Tooru
A: Johnny, Funny Valentine, Pucci
B: Kars, DIO, Jotaro, Giorno, Diavolo
C: Kira (if Kira has non-stand user nearby but hasn't attached bites the dust to him yet, it's otherwise almost impossible to compare bites the dust with others it's either insta win-with few exceptions or it's useless), Josuke, Jolyne/Joseph
D: Jonathan, Dio
N/A: Jodio
Would you be down to discuss GER's scaling on Discord? I believe that I could change your mind on his scaling. We can do it over RUclips but I prefer Discord by a landslide lol
How are you gonna say GER is on fraud watch and have gappy at the top when bro had his ass literally put on life support by some fodder ass rock insects? If his opponent isnt WoU hes getting slammed
The timeskip hadn't ended yet? Diavolo was just getting his attack ready so that it would hit right after his timeskip ended. That was his whole thing... Literally a few panels later he's talking about how his "timeskip" is reversing. It hasn't ended by that point. GER's ability literally defies fate itself, something that no character has shown to be above other than GER by proving Epitaphs prediction to be incorrect.
As someone who thinks everyone in A tier can floor Gappy because of how fast they can be, I still 100% agree with this list. Great job.
My only problem with young Joseph is giving him MFTL because the only reason anyone gets such speed is because of their stands, still top of B though. Main misconception is that just because a being better than b doesn’t mean that a is surpieor in every way
I mean some of Joseph’s earliest feats are repeatedly outpacing and dodging light directly so I think it’s pretty consistent.
@@Ghostface833citation needed. The only thing I could think you would be referring to is space ripper stingy eyes, but those aren’t light, it’s liquid.
“The only reason they get such speeds is because of their stands”
Live Koichi (who cant even see Act 2 and gets blitzed by Act 3) reaction:
METAs-Senpai I'll like to disagree on several points. Idk if you'll see this but here I go
-First, I don't think Jonathan should be rank below old Joseph. I agree he is the weakest JoJo but the way you presented him make him look bad in my eyes.
Let me start with his power. People mention how Jonathan got killed by a vampire but Joseph beat one first try. Jonathan did beat a vampire first try. He withstood DIO's attacks, blow after blow, before learning Hamon. Jonathan fought two powerful Zombies (Which I believe are stronger than part2 vampires). One which as a human, was so strong he survived and broke five axes with his neck before the 6th got him. The other was said to be very fast but I don't know how much. Jonathan cleaved through Tarkus like he was paper. And broke the collar he could not even with his additional zombie power.
In terms of speed, we can use DIO as comparism as you do. In this case take Part3 DIO without his stand (who should be physically weaker than his part1 self due to Jonathan rejecting him) . He was able to react to Kakyoin's ES (which you said was faster than Silver Chariot's attacks in a previous video : SP vs KC) Also, DIO lifting a steam roller says alot ( You could argue he was powered up).
Now there are not many strategic feats in part 1 due to basic abilities. But Jonathan was clearly able to use his environment in his fights. Joseph had an easier time due to guns, grenades, planes and stuff and the others had their stands.
Jonathan is pretty OP when you look at it well.
Secondly, I cant accept Joseph is stronger than Jolyne, Josuke4 and base Giorno. He may be smarter but its not a big difference as all JoJos have proven several times to be able to outsmart their opponents. Its just they have different skills to work with (Like Jotaro is smarter than Josuke4 but doesn't pull the smarter feats because he doesn't have a versatile ability)
Josuke4 is close to SP in terms of power and speed. Jolyne was fast enough to wound Pucci and hold her own for sometime against MIH and Giorno can gaurd against Diavolo's Time Skip attack on time.
Kars' Light mode is able to react to a machine gun bullet but Joseph has not gone through a Speed attack Showdown against Kars.
Also Josuke4 has taken alot of punishment from opponents like getting thrown at 70kmh on a pavement, taking blast from killerQueen and other stuff. Jolyne took several bullets in her fights, set her body on fire, fought Rikiel with a twisted leg, got turned inside out the same day by CMoon and took on MIH.
Giorno in 1week fought vicious stand users one by one, without previous battle experience.
I don't think Part2 Joseph can compare alot to them. He's Op thou.
Also, im happy someone finally admits Jotaro could fight and beat Johnny
But Lastly, I think Go Beyond is given to much credit. I will still keep Gappy as Number 1 but will tie him with Giorno.
Go beyond is like Tusk act 4. Its a one-shot ability. Gappy cant aim correctly and could miss, so its OP as long as it touches you. Go Beyond looks like it will pass through Time stop as it exist outside reality. But it i cant say for sure it can beat Return to Zero. RTZ can literally change fate, which no one else have clearly done in JoJo till date( idk about the end of Stone Ocean, if that counts) It means Giorno also have reality bending powers as he can change fate in JoJo. Anyways its upto Araki to decide what is Canon.
I will rank the JoJos like;
1# Gappy and Giorno(GER)
2# Jotaro and Johnny
3# Giorno(above Josuke4 and Jolyne because he has speed A, is versatile, Stamina and Brutal/no mercy)
4# Josuke
5# Jolyne
6# Joseph
7# Jonathan
8# Old Joseph
Thanks for going through. This is my own point of view. Feel free to disagree like I did.
Go Beyond isn't one shot...
Tooru literally survived two direct hits of Go Beyond.
@@-AD-Astra-0Are we going to ignore it called him a senpai 💀
Question. You are right that there are no defined speed feats in Part 1. That said wouldnt Jonathan scale to Part 3 Dio's speed since you've addressed this multiple times as well as the series that. Dio was weaker than his part 1 self through the majority of part 3 and either A. Reached his original strength by drinking Joseph's blood or B. Close to his original self. So if Jonathan could beat pt 1 Dio, would it be fair to say he's relative to pt 3 Dio speed wise or no?
This.
@@raidenpainn1561 Apparently the guy said no cause stand shenanigans.
@@THENemesisXX99 well Dio was throwing the knives with his own hands and Jotaro barely dodged them
@@raidenpainn1561 90% were thrown by The World dawg.
ah yes, i love how you say destroying boulders immediately scales you to building level plus, I know some viewers just hear how intelligent the yap sounds, but ifd you think about it, half the things you say don't make sense.
It makes me sad to hear Johnny has Gone down the joestar totem pole he’s used to be 2nd even with go beyond but the more statements came out for go beyond and wonder of u he went down to third and now seeing him in 4th is kinda disheartening especially since him and tusk are my favorite stand and joestar though josuke and soft and wet go beyond have grown on me to 2nd favorite
15:12 it may not be DIO and there may not be evidence to support AU stands having the same stats but! There’s no evidence on the contrary to that either.
You messed up with Johnny his scaling puts him top 3
Aight cool, i think jonathan should be a B minimum though seeig as if he had his *confirmed* stand which is just a different version of hermit purple, he'd probably be much more versatile.
And i believe that jonathan would keep up his hamon training had he not died, meaning he'd be around when stands became relevant (Had his body not been the requirement to start the joestars stands.)
I always feel like I'm missing something, I thought Gappys go beyond bubbles were about as strong as his regular ones, but wonder of u wasn't able to deflect them because they approximated to zero, to not exist, and you can't be pursued by what doesn't exist? Like a hard counter rather than sheer overpowering. Did I misunderstand something?
It was a rock paper scissors match up. He wanks GB way too hard
The giorno and jonathan glazing is insane here.
Jonathan?
@@ChadBenjamin yeah. Jonathan because the Jonathan fought Dio, Dio fought Jotaro while weakened
@@raidenpainn1561lmao
I’m stuck at the part which he said Johnny is A tier when Johnny ripped infinity apart
What does "ripping infinity apart" mean?
I do think you understimate jolyne, but shes in an accurate place on the tier list. Its just that jolyne always goes against the most crazy ass broken fucking stands in part 6 and kind of makes hers look sub par
Soft and Wet is so scary to me as he stole all the air from Yotsuyu forcing him to drown imagine if he was more sadistic and all the other ways he could plunder I imagine him taking a persons ability to feel pain as he beats them to near death so that they can watch and do nothing that to me is levels of terrifying that I can't comprehends
In Araki's public art piece he put the most strong stands and on the top is November Rain hinting that it might be the most powerful.
8:17 who's the guy in front of Josuke lol
George Joestar II, Joseph's father
@@powder479 he looks Rizzed tf up why Araki just couldn't let him have some shine lolol
@@powder479wait, is he in Jojolands?
I know he's in part 2 briefly but he definitely didn't look like that lol
@@Sykohsis he has his own spin-off that araki started making while still working on JoJolion I'm pretty sure
I feel like the existence of Tusk Act 4 beats Star Platinum the World which puts him above Jotaro. Jotaro is by far a more consistent in ability and fighting, but the high end is where a head to head fight would end.
Bro did Johnny dirty😭+I enjoyed the vid keep doing peak quality 💪🔥
Where do you think he actually belongs?
Bro you made this comment 4 min after the vid was posted 😂 wym
This video was posted more than an hour ago. My comment was posted 12 minutes ago. Your math isn't mathin
@@John34bruh ? Wdym
@@FatherLucidtop2 or 3 at least
So based off your video and your scaling which makes sense, GER wouldn’t be able to stop a go beyond bubble. Could he be able to reset the damage he took from the go beyond bubble back to zero or could he just use the base abilities of GE to heal himself? I still believe Giorno wins purely if you take both of those into account but if that’s not the case then Gappy beats him
Nah the Johnny slander is insane he literally is top 3 at least his speed should be at least ftl too since jodio is similar to dio
I'm not sure if I follow entirely on how something being able to damage something else works for the scaling here; as generally, the assumption is that if character A(vaguely weaker) manages to damage character B(calced to be at insert level) to some/a notable extent, character A is upscaled to around but not necessarily equal to character B. However in the section on Jolyne's durability, she gets downscaled(to a non-specific degree which isn't really relevant to the overall point) off of weaker characters being able to damage her. I'm wondering if there's like, specifics to those interactions that make this a different case from the usual scaling logic.
Prob cause she's amped
@@michaelmorbillionmorbius3596 that’s not a factor in the scenarios tho aside from Planet Waves
Hol Horse is the strongest Joestar 😔
Before i watch ima give my opinion/predictions
1. Giorno
2. Johnny
3. Gappy
4. Jotaro
5/6. Josuke/jolyne(I'm leaning towards Josuke winning but this is the closest matchup)
7. Joseph
8. Jonathan
9. Jodio
Gappy, Johnny, Jotaro, Josuke, Giorno(without requiem obviously), Joleyne, Johnathan, Joseph imo. The last two (or first two Jojos) could be swapped depending on the argument but I think Johnathan out powers Joseph even with Joseph’s stand.
This makes more sense, bro literally said Joseph is massively faster than light 😂
@@pixels966 that shits just not true. I know he scales power “scientifically” and it’s more logical than just saying he’s not but. He’s not
Joseph scales higher than Jonathan due to tanking kicks from Santana and Kars and dodged SRSEs which blitzed Jonathan twice.
You forgot part 4 Joseph( with kira) jortaro ova dio ova and part 4 jortaro
I’m putting Johnny over jotaro any day of the week
EXACTLY
Jotaro's honest reaction-kicks him off horse
@@thezumruduanka9751he can spoiler
He can walk and use act 4 wihtout a horse he just needs an horse for the infinite rotation
Jolyne and pre-timestop Jotaro should be higher due to their battle QI, having the most simple ability and making the best out of it
>"The Joestars Ranked From Weakest to Strongest"
>Look inside
>It's just the jojos
I might be wrong but
U are saying
JO Dio like it has a space
It feels like it shoud be Jodio like together
You can scale josuke to s tier but in reality he’s not stronger then any of the joestars in excluding jonathen and Joseph using part 7 and 8 scaling every joestar below him would blitz him and 1 tap him in while he has the most op ability he wouldn’t ever really win in a fight the only reason why josuke is so terrifying is cause he’s a direct counter to tooru but this doesn’t really get him anywhere
What in the heck are you talking about? Gappy alone with just regular Soft and Wet would be able to dominate all the Joestars below the A tier, considering how broken it is with it's plunder ability along with the fact of how smart Gappy is. Then put Soft and Wet and Go Beyond in the conversation, and tell me who is going to beat him!
@@cameronsmith7040 you can have the best ability ever but it doesn’t matter if you can’t hit for example let’s say happy hits jolyne with plunder and takes her sight jolynes been able to fight without seeing so that wouldn’t matter then she’d tie him up and rock his ass
And for josukes part he isn’t fast enough to dodge a single attack of theirs nore have the durability to withstand it it’s like um the Gojo PROBELM
He can’t be hit by normal punches but just because he can’t be hit doesn’t mean he can hit you if your too fast the fight will just be stalemate only for josuke they can hit him rather quickly as well
@@arminkir9389 And if he takes something more serious like the calcium from her bones she's done.
@@jeanegreene374 once again did not read my comments if gappy is too slow then he can’t do anything
am I hallucinating or do I hear SMT and Persona music in the background??🔥✨(can’t quite hear very well with his voice and I don’t wanna blast my ears with the video on full volume in my headphones)
edit: Yeah it is, we can hear it clearly at the end of the video
Ignore it
Dude, it’s kinda crazy to me that I can say to someone “Hey, you know how matter can’t be created or destroyed? It’s just like a fact of nature? Well, there’s this one guy…”
I just wanna say how I'm really happy that my boy Joseph Joestar is finally getting some recognition and not just being place as the second weakest Joestar just because he has no stand. Not only is hamon still incredibly lethal but hes just super strong and has the battle intelligence to back it up. even if he's not in the higher tiers like jotaro giorno or johnny i still thought he could maybe josuke and definitlry jolyne.