Konstantin Kisin vs. Entire Audience at Doha Debates
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- Konstantin Kisin vs. Entire Audience at Doha Debates
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Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians.
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Qatar is the largest funder and exporter of terrorism and violent political Islamism in the world today.
Cheers for your adamantine resolve Konstantin! Especially in such a clearly hostile environment.
glad you're still alive. may as well be 'Doha Dictates'
@@triggerpod why is gru hosting the debate
Goddamn you really dived into the deepest, darkest hole of the beast with this one!
Holyshht, she actually uncritically quoted Gnome Chumpski 😂.
Arabs that have adopted western culture living in the west so they can critique western culture is the height of irony
Exactly
Unfortunately too many Muslims come to Europe and the U.S. , Canada , Australia , and New Zealand and have no desire to assimilate and they push for western people to adopt Muslim culture , with sharia law and of course censorship . We can not let that defeat our culture ! ( Absurdly , we in the west are responsible for being so weak in that WE allowed this obvious danger to happen to us . ) I pray that both western folks and Muslim folks learn to guide and teach each other the benefits of western society and the freedoms it brings ... May God bless all humans on planet earth (everyone)
@@michaelweber5702 the cult must be banned from the west. There is no peace living with them, they have no care for us or our societies.
Is not that what makes Western culture so great? being receptive to criticism, even from foreigners.
Hahaha my friend, you’ve absolutely hit the nail on the head 😂😂
Arabs lecturing about slavery is ludicrous
Lecturing about anything honestly, I can't think of anything their culture could teach ours that has any actual value🤣 There's a reason Saudi Arabia is changing to be like the west and not the other way around
and you missed their series on women's rights?😂
@@letmelie4757 Also the only reason they have money or any political clout is because westerners gave value to the oil under their deserts and ways to extract it. islam is in comparison to the west as a culture, entirely morally and ethically bankrupt.
@@TJ-kk5zf I can't believe that's real😂 Dude that's like an Ant lecturing you on individualism
@@letmelie4757 great analogy
Arabs calling people colonialists is rich.
Yep. Muhammad spent the last years of his life organizing battles and the eventual siege of Israel.
. . . hmmm, got to remember that one.
And Slavers too. The Taquiyya is strong!
Yeah, I wonder what part of the world they get their name from and why they are now so far from it...
They arent perfect. How are they colonialists tho?
They must’ve invited Konstantin by mistake, I think they intended to have an entire panel that just agreed on everything but he’s a factual fox amongst the chickens! 😂
Qatar has a nasty habit of doing this...
@@pau-o5q yup, happened with Douglas Murray as well when he got invited.
Incorrect - they are foxes ...AND chickens, he is the wolf.
I don't believe that what Konstantin started about slavery is fundamentally true though it is true history. Removal of slavery was made possible by an individual revolution (we as people needed 80% of human resources in order to sustain life), that in turn made WW1 and WW2 possible and I would remind everyone that Brittn was the lead contestant in the arms race. And all the great powers were preparing for war. It was a time of opportunity.
I am from Pakistan, Fatima Bhutto comes from a wealthy feudal family in Pakistan, her grandfather made an alliance with the army and came into power, her dad was labeled a terrorist and shot dead in front of his own house, while her aunt was prime minister of Pakistan, her family is in power since last several decades in the province of Sindh, in Pakistan still that Province is crap, her grandfather party is corrupt from top to button, all the people her family is surrounded with are feudal lords and still practice slavery, The only reason she is not in Pakistani politics is that her aunt 'Benazir Bhutto' and uncle "Asif Ali Zardari" took away everything and throw them in oblivion, but she only sees in justice in the west. she can't even step foot in Pakistan and criticize anything. Yet she is sitting here and talking about justice around the world, without uttering a word about the society she came from, Hypocrisy is Amazing the West empowers her, which she hates most. The West has huge problems but it is far better than the alternatives we have.
amazing, thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing.
From her point of view "her family" was maintiang law and order and anything bad that happend......well that was because of the west!
Thanks for sharing btw I wouldn't of know.
I have Christian and Islamic cousins. I love my Islamic cousins dearly but their faith originated in heresy and keeps their societies in oppression.
Thank you x
As soon as Konstantin made the FACTUAL STATEMENT that slavery was the NORM prior to Western/Christian culture, everyone got extremely uncomfortable and tried to shut him up.
Not western, British. That particular element was British, brought about as a direct result of Britain being one of the worst affected places by the barbery corsairs for the best past of 200 years.
No one got uncomfortable, their just laughed at his framing. They laughed because he said Britain ended it. The key point here was who ended it.
Laughter is often a mask for discomfort.
The philosophy undergirding British society was Christian. The same is true for American society. The Founders planted the seeds of emancipation in the founding documents. In the same way, it wasn’t the Civil War that ended slavery in the U.S. That happened to be the culminating event - like the Barbary pirates in Britain.
@@user-le5tv7qg1n They were the first country to formally make slavery illegal.
You know what this debate reminded me of? An old soviet anecdote:
An American and a Soviet meet.
They start arguing about which country is the most free.
The American says:
“America is the freest country. I can go to the White House and say that Reagan is a fool.
Nothing will happen to me for that!”
The Soviet replies:
“So what? I can also go to the Red Square and say that Reagan is a fool. And nothing will happen to me either!”
This is what they are arguing about being schooled in Qatar, and completely ignoring Konsts points. That’s the beauty of their “freedom of speech”
The saddest part is that this panel’s happening in Bradford, UK. I’m not sure such discussion with KK would be possible in Qatar.
The same annecdode came to my mind. What a bunch of hyprocats that calls other hypocrites, except Konstantin.
@@iralubarsky1726 indeed, meant to refer to the students who study there. Thanks for pointing it out
Another old Soviet joke is : How many TV channels does the USSR have ? Answer = Two. Channel one is 24 hour Soviet propaganda. Channel two is a KGB officer ordering you to turn over !
@@saxav88 exactly, and those clowns from aljazira came to Britain, teach us democracy.
This is what Qatari money sounds like when it talks.
Completely. Couldn't see past that.
A white man who works at the media aran of qatar (al jazira) talks about problems woth the ny times lol
I want to see if he would still have a job if he will say anything negative about hamas 😂😂😂
Exactly that which really illustrated the main failings with Western contemporary media
Can’t agree more
@@CharlesWestinghIIIcan’t agree more
"The west need to do better!!"
"Can you name a place that does it better?"
"Do not distract from my point!!"
It's not necessarily wrong to say that the best can be improved, but it's the height of arrogance to assume you can improve on the current gold standard without _at least_ the careful study of what's been tried and failed elsewhere and in the past.
What’s more important is to complain but with the disposition of gratitude or respect that there is this solid society.
Why Qatar of course 😂😂😂
Maybe take a moment to look at Asia? South Korea, Japan, and China accomplished in a couple of generations what took Europe centuries. They’ve surpassed most European countries without sharing the same values. Maybe they did it better?
@@frankxu4795 If you truly believe that then I encourage you to visit these countries and live in them for a time. There are a lot of things to admire in Japan and Korea, but they aren't models to be copied. They've been successful because they were willing and able to integrate certain elements of western civilisation and fuse them with their own endemic cultures more successfully than most other cultures have. And because the west gave them an enormous amount of support in achieving this goal. To suggest, however, that they have "surpassed" Europe is... shall we say ignorant?
Arabs lecturing anyone on colonialism is pretty cringe
ruclips.net/user/shorts_mRcaKGCVP0 agree
And yet we have to take them seriously, since they're colonizing the west with their method!
They are taking advantage of the white Woke suicidal empathy problem. It is pathetic. Their people are STILL actively enslaving around the world.
This video certainly backfired in the ladt week
Also at one point we got a critique of the western contribution to climate change....😂😂😂Brought to you by doha....😂😂😂 and slavery of black Africans in the west...form Qutari who had chatle slavery till the 50s. Whose city was built and homes were cleaned by kafala system effective slaves. Legal until like yesterday. They built the world cup stadium using modern slavery 2 years ago Lol😂😂😂😂😂 The bare faced cheek of it.
Muslims...in BRADFORD...accusing westerners of colonisation lmao
I hate this talking point all it would take is reading the definition of colonisation or colony to realise it’s fallacious. Why not address reality and talk about what has caused our country to rely so heavily on legal immigration?
@@TalkingDonkeyzdon’t bother. People like this are illiterate in the only language they speak. Don’t waste ur breath.
It doesn't rely on it, mass immigration has been a detriment to the UK.
How ever, I will say it is not the only issue, the social welfare state has not just drawn in millions of migrants that become a burden on the tax payer but has also created several generations of lazy natives who rely on the state but should they be motivated to get a job, they are not competing for those jobs with their local peers anymore, but the entire world.
Stop the immigration and get rid of the welfare state.
it's so sad that alot of these woke americans are going along with this narrative
then off to do some grooming
All I hear is a bunch of ungrateful spoiled brat cry babies desperate to hang onto their victim card. At least we have Konstantin be the voice of reason.
Good luck convincing people to give up their illegitimate yet profitable claims of victimhood.
@@user-wj6dt5bq3wmuslims colonised Turkey, Afghanistan, Algeria, Lebanon, India, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
I can't believe how much money they are CURRENTLY collecting.
@user-wj6dt5bq3w who is playing victim in this video? Europeans don't play victim. All the others do.
You haven't even watched it it was posted 40 min ago you complete ideologue
@@user-wj6dt5bq3w Don't see too many Europeans or Christians in the Middle East today, especially in government positions.....where are these colonizers?
The irony of Doha debates having to be held in the "wicked west" to ensure people aren't locked up for saying something spicy 😂
Where was this event held?
Bradford
@@randomusername0121 Islamist Bradford
@@randomusername0121omg
@@johnarbuthnott3445 - Exactly.
Non-westerns complaining about the west is hysterical. Ironically, they live in the west and won't ever dare leave.
People do leave. Especially nowadays
@@RojaJaneman No they don't...lol
Wait, I just heard that free speech and liberty in Qatar is doing great.
No one wants to live in the west anymore. Not even westerners lol
Exactly!
Love konstantin without being obnoxious loud or rude....he absolutely dismantled these arguments
Konstantin "Where is better than the west?" Everyone there: "uhhh, lets keep this to bashing the west please"
Exactly 💯. Nitwits!!!
Exactly, total joke however I would say that freedom of speech is being violated in the west by for example not being allowed to call men who think they are women « men ».
He's just a clown, admits he's pro-Ukranian and keeps bringing up how Russia lacks freedom of speech and to critique the govt.
in Ukraine, family members critiquing the govt among themselves get locked up, you don't even need to protest or publish anything, SBU simply joins your family chat and next morning you're on your way to a multi-year sentence as a "traitor"
hypocrite much??
Yeah cuz that country that dropped 2 nukes and killed millions of lives is definitely not western
I'm so glad there's people like Konstantin out there unapologetically defending Western values
It's sad he only is allowed to because he is an immigrant.
We all should be bold enough to speak like he does.
He is unafraid to go into the lion’s den.
Me too. He's one of the best. 💜
Theres no such things as "western values". Nothing unique about it. So why the fk make the distinction.
if all the immigrants to the west were like Konstantin wow the West which is already the best would be one hundred times better
A room full of foreigners whinging about the country they chose to move to, yeah whatever.
That's how you know it's about power and the "debate" is a trap.
exactly
But you have to respect their creativity in being able to invent something to complain about.
gold, so true mate
Foreigner flight is taking off from strip 1947!
Constantin has balls of steel debating everyone including the audience.
He’s used to dealing with audiences from comedy.
Let's not overdo it. I agree with Konstantin but speaking one's mind should not be considered "balls of steel." Firemen running into a burning building, yes.
Not a single person of Arab origin has the tiniest right to speak about slavery with that particular history. This Kisin actually has done some reading.
I think half of the audience are arabs. Other are muslims from africa, albania, france.
You haven't even watched it it was posted 40 min ago you complete ideologue
Slavery is still thriving in Arab lands
@@shabbaranks7968 can easily watch on 1.25x speed
@@shabbaranks7968I finished watching it 30 seconds after it was posted.
The irony of muslims flogging the west in Bradford
They don't really live in the west.
@@palerider955 no they live in their heads in their deluded fantasy version of the West and surrounded by their own type/enclaves….very sad as it breeds and feeds on their negative mind set and is unpleasant for others that are the objects of their hate.
@@palerider955 The guy that lives in Bradford and brought up slavery really hammered that home. He said something like, I don't understand what the western narrative is and what are western values?
@@lancebrelsford2568 He was just angry that his values aren't dominant in the UK.
We dont stand up or have the courage to explain our values, why?@lancebrelsford2568
What other countries outside the West invites people to their nation and then lets them sit on a panel and do nothing but criticise their country, culture and entire history?.
🎯
@@MrPmcMcMental
North Korea, I guess?
Other countries have some self respect.
@@Michelle-vv9lk Careful with the 'target' rhetoric, you could be blamed for encouraging assassination.
exactly 👍🏻
Konstantin you are a SAVAGE and an ARTIST, wow! 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻 big love from 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
The only thing this debate achieved was showing us all that Islam in the West is too dangerous.
I'm from Glasgow and happen to be down in London ATM and sweet fuck Islam has took over this. I don't like any religion but that by a mile the worst.
But Zionist that promote abortion , lgbt agenda , pornography , illegal wars , mass immigration and debt are A OK 👌
We've known that for decades, but governments are terrified of them for some reason...
All this Muslim people in Christian countries and hating our values.
Wouldn’t they be more comfortable and happy if they move to an Islam country.
Hypocrites and ungrateful.
Oil reason.
This debate shows that mass migration and multi-culturalism has been a massive mistake 😞
Diversity is our strength , what a joke ....
Imported people who hate the West and seek to destroy it! 👍🏻🤦🏼♀️
I bee up in 70/80s back then we were all getting along you did have your racists but most folk got on for years now government and media have been dividing us over everything it’s now controversial to say I am a woman those days we were against labels now everyone needs one. ❤
Now we know
True, or it shows that it was intentionally subversive from the start..
if there no Konstantin ,I won't give a minute to watch this rubbish program .
cant belive host intros "experts" as writers from the guardian. They constantly think we dont have eyes ears and a brain.
those viewpoints people show here are really scary, especially the points on the so-called genocide on gaza thats not being protested at all. i was also rather shocked by the anti jewish and anti israeli introduction to this sham of a debate
British journalist Tim Sebastian was the original moderator. After that there have been too many Middle Easterners moderating. The 'debate' is fluff and people like Konstantin are wasted being a speaker. However I give him credit for at least getting through to a few people. I haven't made an opinion yet on Steve C, but unless I missed something he didn't offend me and had credible comments. Fatima was useless and the female moderator was terrified when the topic of the Slave Trade was brought up.
If there's no Konstantin. You would actually learn something. Konstantin talks BS
@@aiyubpatel9165 And some argument?
Konstantine is the only one in the room with a brain
Everyone criticizes the west, yet everyone wants to live here.. weird. We have to be careful what we wish for
The people who do that ..the ones filled with so much hate are brainwashed and mentally ill…I feel sorry for them as mindsets like this, through ignorance, suffer a lot. Somehow, not sure how, I hope they change.
Yes, and they don't want to criticize the country they came from which far more worst.
They want to take over. Islam is a cancer
Can’t change it to suit your beliefs from the outside. For example, you can’t normalize wearing the headscarf if you don’t get everyone in the west to wear one.
To be fair the west was great. Unfortunetly it's been going backwards for the last couple of decades.
Since when saying Let's 'make america great again ' a rascist thing. Wasn't decades ago....
Saying that I still would prefer the west than the alternatives.
"there is no free speech in the west" *using free speech in the west*
…and NOT in Doha😂
Yes, but even their take on it is total nonsense, the 'Free Palestine' narrative, is EVERYWHERE on social media, which is far more popular these days than Mainstream Media, to say that this line of thinking is censored in any way is just bonkers.
the irony!! 🥰
You either have free speach or you do not. I do not know about the whole of the west but in the UK we do no have free speach.
@@daza3620 No, it's not binary as that. This issue is a spectrum and a patchwork. On some issues you can say what you want, on others you cannot, in all nations. In the UK you can criticise the government, in many others you cannot - especially many non-western nations. We have more free speech here than in most places. There is no nation in the world that permits literally anything to be said at all times. Explicit threats of violence for example are usually criminal. UK is getting less in favour of free speech but it's still fundamentally better than most other places.
The guy really said there is more free speech in Qatar.... Fuck me... 😂😂😂
Because he is criticising every other country but Qatar.
Exactly! And no one laughed at him? No one wanted to point out how he is only be allowed to express his opinions there because they are state sanctioned. I'd like to see him ague for a pro-Isreal perspective and see how long he lasted then.
I almost fell out of my chair.
And said it in full conviction.
Sometimes I have to try really hard to attribute ignorance to something that is so akin to malice.
It is a free speech society, no one challenges him on his biases…. 😂😂
Konstantin said that slavery ended because British Empire stopped it and i agree especially in my case, i’m from Thailand and our king at that time King Rama V abolished slavery in Siam from 1874 to 1905 and one of the reasons why he wanted to abolish it was because he wanted Siam to become civilized like European countries especially British which was our ally(despite British did exploit Siam many times) and our role model in many aspects such as military and many more. Lots of those things in Thailand that influenced by British can still be seen today such as driving on the left side of the road
Freedom of speech here in Australia is when BLM can hold protests but anti-lockdown protesters could not speak.
AUSTRALIA IS A JOKE
u know it!
Yes, but that is because our government doesn't value freedom of speech... They are literally trying to put in place this "misinformation bill" which allows the government to decide on any online content, what is allowed to be said.
So I totally agree that our country, as a fellow Aussie, is being attacked from within parliament. No country has done more to erode the values and rights of Australians than our Parliament. I wish you the best of luck mate in our coming future as we become one of those countries in the world without the freedoms we once had.
The fact is, nobody’s a fan of free speech if it means letting people they don’t like have a say.
Goes outside, gets arrested #Straya
28:58 Non of the arab speakers are willing to name a place where it seems better to express freedom of speech than in the West. Interessting and thanks to Konstantin .
Dark Web
If there was no Konstantin Kisin, this would've been an hour of people agreeing with each other and no real debate
And filled with lies
Like this comment thread! 😂
good point
They did the same thing to Douglas Murray, only he was in Doha so a likely more hostile audience.
If anyone watching knew who Fatima Bhutto is, would facepalm the biggest facepalm when she calls out billionaires and corruption. A feudal from one of the richest families on earth whose people don't have access to clean water or basic education let alone free speech while they fly in private jets is absolute personification of irony.
This wasn't a debate this was an Islamic grievance meeting with Konstantin as the sole token defender of the west.
...and of course Gaza and genocide had to be mentioned in the same sentence. The green clothed, kafir wearing, Hamas supporters on the stage, never miss an opportunity.
Our token defender and he's actually not a westener
Crazy
bro do you even know what a westener means 🤦♂️@cuban....
@Anamouad2125 no dude I have no idea what the west is or what it stands for. I'm just saying a bunch of bullshit. Why don't you enlighten me 🤯🤓🤡🤣🤣
What even is this 'debate'? Konstantin is literally the only dissenting voice in the room
And they struggled as opposition to just one guy
My thought exactly! What kind of debate is that if all these free speech lovers couldn't care less about free speech as long as they are allowed to spew their antisemitic propaganda and not even being challenged by anyone.
Konstatin is surrounded by Islamist who is shouting victim cards 😂
Not once did anyone answer him directly or disprove him factually.
Also, he made a greag point over and over. That we don't live in a vacuum, but rather a real world. Reality trumps feelings.
110 percent ... of course what they don't understand is it looks so one sided.
"Hello, we are here using Western-pioneered communications technologies to use Western logic and Western knowledge to debunk the West."
Dressed as westerners speaking good English.
Best 😂
ok you win 🤣 Can´t argue with logic
The amount of hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness is astounding.
And that host. Oddly, she has a perfect British accent... they infiltrate the west, get to know it well from within, and abuse the West's weakness
So if Kisin missed his train it would have been a room full of people more or less agreeing
😀
@@ingridioanahuma6470 + ignoring Islamic colonialism
Hearing Al Jazeera referred to as truthful or unbiased is absolutely incredible. What a time to be alive.
It’s almost as if we’ve been transported to a world where black is white, left is right, and Al Jazeera is the gold standard for unbiased journalism.
bloody more truthful that the BBC or CNN or Fox.. RUFKM.... have you even watched Al Jazeera at all... I have been for six months now and feel relieved to have the facts rather than having my head in the dirty sand..
It’s wild how they yap on about how western media is biased… when they have literally no diversity in thought or freedom of opinion in their media 😂
@@SunilFrancisGeorgetwilight zone
keep in mind this whole event is sponsored by the Qatar foundation. Qatar state sponsored & financed media conglomerate is..... Al -Jazeera. this is quite literally a therapy session for Qatar...or to be a bit more sinister: Qatar explaining & demonstating publicly how investing massively into western universities is allowing them to *slowly change the western narratives for new eastern [Qatari] perspective* . Qatar is also the 2nd largest funder of Hamas so the audience bitching about western narrative is the heaviest of irony: why don't they ask the qatari leadership about the billions transferred to Hamas why it didn't moderate the Hamas leadership to avoid october 7th?! either they taken for fools or they're complicit.
The only reason to watch is Konstantin.
💯 agree!!
You missed out on Steve Clemons' and various others contributions and additions to what Konstantin said.
@@zetristan4525came for KK stayed for SC!
@@chefskengko184 SC did distract the conversation away from KK's well-known well-articulated commentary on slavery, after a very vague question, but clearly both KK and SC are wonderfully-intentioned thoughtful guys.
He is a IDF shill
When Fatima is speaking, no rushing from host. When Konstantin is speaking, suddenly 'we have to bring in other voices'. 🤪
Exactly
I noticed it too!!!
I thought I was only one who noticed.
To be fair, Konstantin spoke far more than Fatima did. (Which I didn't mind at all.)
Without lies, Islam dies
Ms Bhutto is the latest grifter from that famous Pakistani political dynasty and
crime family. Any Pakistani politician criticising any country on its records involving justice, free speech, torture, corruption and religious intolerance is beyond absurd.
Basically Konstantin ruining this little mualim struggle session with facts
Muslims....the perpetually offended.
Ballsy move to be fair
Well said, but Konstantin didn't go far enough, he should have said to the people there, "what sort of fantasy world are you living in?".
The significance of him saying, "tell me where else is better", just went straight over their heads.
@@SaintKimbo And of course the bin bag wearing moderator jumped in to defend the little Jihadist ....
Such a joke of a debate.
"Moderator" on one side only...
Him and Douglas Murray would have shut this down in ten minutes.
Asking an islamist to admit to a wrongdoings......is not possible.
What's an Islamist? Another Muslims focused term made up by the Islam hating/ Muslim hating West.
We don't need moral lessons from people who wouldn't know what the truth is if it came and hit them in the face and literally said truth.
Stay in your bigoted, hate filled, brainwashed and supremacist mind
Muslim*
@@Negev-Israel much like a jew.
Asking Muslims to be slaves and accept the status quo is also not possible. You don’t like people who can stand up for themselves
They rationalize anything and everything. It's called 'Taqiyya', google it
Kisin is the only one worth listening to. It was a huge mistake to bring these people to Europe.
@@catsandcrows8880 well said❤️
@@catsandcrows8880
and yet they cannot understand why europeans welcomed ukranians with open arms and why we are sick and tired of these islamists wanting to dominate...
nah that old guy speaking facts tho
@@catsandcrows8880 it’s kinda too late to deport them
Stranger still is why they want to come to the West since they clearly believe their cultures are superior.
Thank goodness for Konstantin! No one was actually able to say where there would be a better place
I’m Arab Christian. If pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Sri lannkans knew what Arabs think of them, they’ll know who’s racist.
What's the common Arab phrase to describe black Africans? It's not pretty. The term "Slav" to refer the people of Eastern Europe is because these people were commonly the slaves of Arabs.
I've lived and married in Egypt. I found Egyptians no longer even like other Egyptians. Their tolerance for different religions and social levels has seriously declined. I also can't believe how low salaries still are for most Egyptians, even with those with university degrees.
The funniest are the South Asian muslims. Hate the Hindus who were the original civilization of their land, suck up to "fellow" muslims who despise and look down upon those third rate converts.
we know
Same with Chinese. Ive never seen racism on a high level until i went to Singapore.
In these forums you never see Muslim Arabs criticizing Arabic countries or Pakistanis crticizing Pakistan. But they freak out when westerners do.
Once you notice it , it's hard to unsee it.
This is the core problem. Arabs a bound by culture and religion to never criticise their own path. And it causes so much suffering.
They look all cheeked up in their arguments thinking they're right for their criticism of the west but Ex-muslims like Sherif Gaber criticising islam in their countries get torched, lynched and beheaded in public demanding lust for it. Don't be by this.
Okay🙄🙄
And in the christian US debates you often hear criticism of Christian western cointries, right?
Was there a Jewish voice and was their perspective on Gaza articulated and listened to?
What "town halls" are held in Arab cities with Jewish students at their universities?
One guy who understands history in a room full of clowns. Respect for standing firm.
that white guy from al jazeera was so cringe.. you can just tell his wife walks in front of him and he follows her like a pet.
Konstantin is a shining star here ✨️
So basically a bunch of hypocrites who don’t know history, shocking.
1 hour and 30 minutes and no one mentioned hamass......but sure lets trust the arab historian.
@@cinesonicvibes Scrutinising one's own history in a critical manner, for the sake of learning from your culture's own mistakes, in order to refine society, is a uniquely modern liberal western project. Often history has just been synonymous with myth and propaganda. Not all societies have equal history keeping methods.
Why is the "intelligent" crowd are always the same???
Some of the limited variety of people invited to these conversations are a red flag to this whole debate.
As soon as you hear someone pronounce the word Gaza with exaggeration you understand who you are dealing with....
Supporting a false narrative to feel good about themselves
Influenced by western leftist media
Two students from Qatar lecturing the west on morals
It’s like a Monty Phython sketch for the 21st century
@@JamchesterBoozleIt a cartoon.
it could be a case of not wanting to acknowledge or confront the issues present in their own society.
Ladies and gentlemen, prepare to be enlightened! Today, we bring you the sage wisdom of Abdulaziz and Fatima, two bright-eyed students from Qatar, here to set the moral compass of the decadent West straight.
Fresh from their first semester at Oxford, paid for by their oil tycoon fathers, these champions of virtue are ready to tackle the West's ethical shortcomings. Armed with lattes and MacBooks, they've embarked on a crusade to educate us on the finer points of morality.
Watch in awe as Abdulaziz, between sips of his ethically-sourced flat white, lectures on workers' rights. Pay no attention to the fact that his family's summer home was built by migrant laborers working in questionable conditions. That's irrelevant to his profound insights!
Marvel at Fatima's passionate discourse on gender equality, delivered from the comfort of her luxury apartment. Her driver waits patiently outside, ready to whisk her away to the next demonstration. Who says you can't fight the patriarchy in Prada?
Our dynamic duo is horrified by the West's materialism, frequently discussing it over caviar brunches and champagne. They're not afraid to call out Western hypocrisy, right after they finish their shopping spree on Oxford Street.
So gather 'round, you misguided Westerners! Let Abdulaziz and Fatima guide you to the moral high ground. Never mind the irony - it's merely a Western construct they've risen above.
Remember, folks: there's nothing quite like a lecture on ethics from those who've never had to wrestle with the complexities of the real world. Thank you, Abdulaziz and Fatima, for your priceless contribution to our moral education!
@@SunilFrancisGeorge Very good point. Namaste. It must be very hard to confront a book that has fueled hate whilst thinking it came from some soul hating entity, named Muhammad. Not God. God is a lot kinder than the Quran.
Likes for Konstantin please ♥️
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He was the only one worth listening to!
@Anti-Woke310 yes. The rest just wolfes in the sheep clothing.
Kostantin's calm and measured responses in the face of hypocrisy are truly admirable.
Is anyone else sick of hearing the word "narrative" repeated over and over again?
Yes , though buzzwords like that let you know who you are dealing with very quickly .
Why don't they use the old expression 'story' 😅
'narrative' is the new 'i can't even'
I am, but of course I did not attend university to study for a worthless degree. Sorry I am a moron...
Ditto for ‘conversation’.
1 man against an army of hypocrites
Wow, I have to give it to Konstantin. Even Douglas Murray seemed a little rattled when at these shamefully biased 'Doha debates', but Konstantin held his own admirably.
I applaud this man's courage 👏🏽
Bless you😂😂😂😂
"shamefully biased" reminds me of you
@@DioStoleHow?
That’s probably because he learned from Douglas’ debate.
Attacking Murray while absent rather than presenting an actual argument is intellectually basic and ridiculous 😂.
Kisin,
You should be awarded the medal of honor. Truly brave and patient. Thank you.
It does take some balls to sit in a room where everyone essentially is against you for 1 and half hour, throwing random shit at the wall. Not only that, the set up of the show was weirdly one sided (against the "west"), the clips, the other guests, the crowd, the blabbering students who could not articulate a single thing through out - which is weird considering it should be a neutral debate, or maybe not?. Do you know why Constantine only answers one part of your question, man up front? Its because it was a non-comprehensive mess about resources and umm something... Same can be said about the people who seem to confuse being heard v.s. free speech. . You are not entitle to people listening to your ramblings. Is the west perfect? No, nothing is. Is it the best we´ve got, yes. If you want to get your hands dirty, go back to your corruption infested dictatorships and start there.
I am new to Kisin and triggerometry, but totally agree. Kisin has balls of steel to sit in the western country and listen to hypocrites who pretend Russia China and certain Arab countries are so great. I thought this chat was in Doha, it's in England...;)
“All I hear is losers complaining about losing” oof.
It’s like how people believe in this thing called human rights. If it actually existed, you wouldn’t have different countries with their own unique set of human rights.
Isn't that the truth. I'll never understand why people want to be a victim.
That hit hard
Wait when does he say that?
@@jamesmcd71 Because being a victim is a perfect alibi, they are not to blame for their screwups.
Konstantin gets shut down whenever he makes a good point.
Absolute savage, Konstantin is such an incredible person. Well done!
Long live Israel and the Israeli people!
and long live the fraudulent prime minister who is indicted and has warrants out for his arrest
Konstantin is a global treasure.
Is he jewish? 😢
You haven't even watched it it was posted 40 min ago you complete ideologue
@@shabbaranks7968
@fribersson might be familiar with Konstantin's work.
@@shabbaranks7968shut up coomer
@@JWWEntertainment he could of dropped the ball on this debate and made a fool of himself 🤷🏼♂️
That Arab medical student talking about slavery as if it is happening NOW in the West was very confusing ... until I realized he uses the word "slavery" just as they use the word "genocide" about Palestine.
As an African who has traveled around the world, it is funny to listen to people from Africa, Asia, Russia, and the Middle East attacking the Westen and United States on the issue of free speech 😂
Well if u cant say what u want to say then its not free speech is it
So u have every right to call that out, doesnt matter where youre from 😊
Complaining about ''Europeans that don't shut up about immigration for the last 20 years'' is something else.
Ironically, the history of colonisation (especially Islamic colonisation) clearly shows why Europeans *should* be speaking out about immigration and acting to limit and undo it. We've seen what's happened in other parts of the world and we don't want it to happen to us.
Them: “Colonialism bad!” Also them: “Stop complaining about colonialism!”
Ya exactly Europeans have EVERY damn right to complain when Europe is being invaded by the world!!!!
The Arabs started slavery before the transatlantic slavery started; and konstantin is correct - the Brits did put a stop to it.
The transatlantic slave trade was evolution; Africans and Arabs took slaves across North Africa, then the Portugese competed using ships, and then switched to South America when that was invaded, followed by many other European traders.It took the Royal Navy to end it as best it could, but of course has continued where it can, including Arabia.
@@colinelliott5629 Who did the Portuguese learn from? Malaria was endemic, but, the further you got into Africa, the more endemic it was. African's taught the Portuguese & Spanish about North African slaving. African's were profiteers and enablers of Africa's slave export. Until the Reconquista,,, it was European slaves being imported into Africa; Cordoba was Europe's most profitable slave market (export).
Started it centuries before only recently ended it… (or rather, replaced it with human trafficking)
Well yes. The term slave has its origins in the word slav. The slavs, who inhabited a large part of Eastern Europe, were taken as slaves by the Muslims of Spain during the ninth century.
Bro - slavery was probably present since the beginning of humanity
Douglas Murray never said you cant say river to sea, he says if you say it you're a moron and he'll tell you why.
And he is right.
Zionist Likud party say “ from the sea to the river only Israelis have control “
Are Zionists also morons ?
Or are you a hypocrite
Check ♟️
I think Douglas said that most people chanting that nonsense couldn’t even tell which river and sea they’re talking about.
The term can be construed as incitement anyway.
@@matthewryan2060and he was/is right about it.
I thought this was being held in some place like Qatar, but it's in England LMAO.
They're sitting there bad mouthing the west and the UK, in a debate about whether or not there is freedom of speech in the West 😅😅😅
Yeah but didn't you hear that one guy? He was shouted down in a town hall in the west! Basically fascism 😂
@@HelloImadamn he should file a complaint with the Qatari government...or go on AL Jazeera.
Maybe they should leave then. While they can
That woman said she is sick of hearing the UK complaining about illegal migrants destroying their country… WOW
Yet Pakistan threw out a million Afghan refugees within the last year
I know I raised an eyebrow at that comment too!
Qatar? Free speech? You cannot even get on the Internet unless you buy the one they allowed or you have to use VPN. I'm sure this is s simulation.
The chickens have come home to roost. 🐓 ruclips.net/video/Vy6lFFaX0nQ/видео.htmlsi=j4KqEJlecLGPpyYw
Thats LITERALLY what all the people who rightfully criticize the west and its history of slavery, imperialism & colonialism etc. hear all the time when they talk about what destroyed their countries and their people and their cultures
When these kids parrot the word "genocide", you realise just how influential media is
And how brainwashed/gullible they are
Yeap. I suppose they forgot about the Armenians or all of WW2.
It’s just being accurate.
So by that definition, inaccurate.
So by that definition, inaccurate.
57:05 "why were they weeping?... because they were killed in an Israeli attack."
So, if it was a Syrian or Saudi attack they'd be cheering?
African woman wonders why no one talks about their war
Arab woman continues talking about Gaza
Pretty wild how that one panelist didnt get called out for her hypocrisy after calling out a random bbc anchor for saying ukrainian look like westernere
The poor Sudan.
The problem there is that the war in Sudan doesn't look good on Instagram and tiktok.
@LARDYCHRIST exactly!! It's not 'trendy', which makes me dislike the crowd supporting Gaza even more.
No Jews no news, I say it again, no Jews no news.
Konstantin is smart, quick witted, knowledgable and courageous. Kudos to him! Not many could hold their ground as he. Support for Konstantin and all respect.
Konstantine should've asked the audience who agrees with gay marriage.? And asked how many think homosexuality should be illegal.
That would shock the lefties
Islam is 100% right on this issue.
Great opportunity that was missed!
@Lurch685 then go and live there.
@@IrradiatedFeline no thanks. I’ll live wherever I want.
@@Lurch685 For now
As someone who lives in both Canada and Sweden, i do not recognise the description of reality in the west not allowing free speech. Even on Canada Day, we had protesters marching for Palestine, chanting 'from the river to the sea', showing 'blood stained' Canadian flags upside down. In Malmo in Sweden, the week after the terrorist attach on Israel Oct 7, hundreds, if not thousands, of people from the middle east showed their support for Hamas.
Non-British people, in Britain, talking about non British things...
100% This
Konstantin is a Ukrainian
@@im_that_guy non-British lol I wonder if that includes your Aryan crush konstantine 🤔
@@Ramon-.170 aryan crush? WTH does that even mean? ESL?
No...they're British people from the British Empire largely DUFUS
The funniest part is how they truly think that Al Jazeera provides the truth or a better truth than other outlets. The ridiculousness ....
Exactly. The entire audience was full of clowns!
Most Arabs don't believe what Al Jazeera says or any channels Arabs are very sceptical of media
I love how this is an 'Arab conference' held in the 'hated west'. They have such strong free speech that they can't even have their conference in their own country. Brilliant. F**king brilliant.
Lol
They don't even see this hypocrisy - they are blind children !
Hypocrisy at its finest! I thought this debate was in an Arabian country at first. Hypocrites
them begging konstantin to stop is hilarious
This was unfair, Konstantin taking on these was like Christopher Hitchens taking on a group of clueless Katie Price's.
You haven't even watched it it was posted 40 min ago you complete ideologue
@@shabbaranks7968 aahhhh. A Copy/Paster...
@@shabbaranks7968shut up coomer
@@JWWEntertainment doing my bit
@@shabbaranks7968 The preview was enough, but you used a big word for today so well done.
She says 1 million people are being displaced from their country. So why aren’t the other Arab countries welcoming them? They aren’t. Why is that?
Great point! That's an aspect of the refugee crisis that doesn't get nearly enough attention. 🤔 While the West often bears the brunt of criticism for not doing enough to help, the Arab countries that share cultural and linguistic similarities with these refugees aren’t exactly rolling out the red carpet either.
It’s likely a complex mix of factors that keeps them from being more welcoming-like the economic burden of resettling large numbers of people, social and cultural resistance to diversity, and internal political struggles within those countries.
Hitler said the same thing for Jews and European countries
@@mohammadsufiyaan5330 The rhetoric used by some countries in the Middle East toward refugees is eerily similar to the hateful propaganda that targeted Jews under the Nazi regime. It’s a reminder that demonizing vulnerable groups of people and turning a blind eye to their plight can lead down a very dark path.
Because they care about their culture.
@@mohammadsufiyaan5330 Except Jews were never considered Europeans. They are called Jews because they are from Judea (modern-day Israel), and are not from Europe, hence they were always treated as outsiders.
So a group of leftists talking to leftists. What a diverse crowd
These won't be leftists.. Leftists are useful idiots, these people.. Especially the Hijabis, are using the leftist useful idiots for their economic and social benefits.
They don't actually believe what they say as they see the west as dysfunctional, godless, and manipulated.
The west's lack of self confidence and constant white anting is worth big $$$
Islamists
@@ipercalisse579 much more accurate
You noticed that too 😂 Aljazeera plants as well. Aljazeera is feeling sore because its propaganda arm is getting slowly shut down.
@@wildwomanofthewoods they even cited Aljazeera as a BRAVE beacon of truth...
As Westerner of Polynesian background.. I'm so sick of these victim hood cry babies. Long live the West.
"Qatar has better free speech"
I don't really know what anyone else expected from 'Doha Debates a Production of Qatar Foundation' tbqh
@AFGuidesHD Wow you're here. Are you a Brit?
The only thing I learnt was that they are happy to come and be educated but hate the people and country they are educated in.
Funny how we never talk about Muslim countries giving non Muslims in those countries the freedoms to live and express themselves freely not imprisoned by Islamic law!
They are not the ones pompously going around calling themselves “leader of the free world”
Have some damn shame instead of pointing fingers and throwing whataboutisms like a damn child
If we are leaders it’s time we act like it and carry ourselves like one
All these other countries are tired of the hypocrisy
because islam is all about doing unto others, what you dont want done unto you!
@@edres7563exactly
bottom line: if a muslim country attacks a western country, 99% of all muslims who live in the western country would side with the muslim country.
virtually none of them would sacrifice their lives for the western country. these people shouldnt even be allowed to live here, nevermind to vote. islam is NOT a religion, its a political movement, always aiming to upend every non-muslim culture and government it festers in. quran = legislative, sharia = judicative, jihad = executive. the goal = a global ummah. thats not a religion folks..
Yup. I would like to see this same panel discuss this topic.
As a Qatari I feel it’s important to clarify that none of these people are Qatari and don’t actually hold opinions shared by Qataris….
I feel bad for Konstantin having to "debate" these people. So many of them, so many "universities", no one can express a full thought on this panel.
They run their mouth and talk and talk, but say nothing
Konstantine battling 50 consciousnesses at once and holds his own. What a guy!!
To be fair it's really only one collective consciousness.
I can't believe he's able to stay so calm. I bet after this he had to go somewhere and scream for 5 minutes straight.
No big deal. Konstantin is smart and rational and a thoroughly decent man, and the other people are narrow and stupid, and mostly Moslem.
@@caballorojo 1 collective dogma rather.
@@robdielemans9189 The Borg really, they even have a cube.
funny how these muslims dont like the west but they live in the west
Well said
Ahhh, that's beyond the point. The topic is How TERRIBLE is the WEST?!?! Don't change the topic, ya kaffir!
exactly
"Where is a better place for free speech?"
"Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh."
After seeing how Douglas Murray was treated in his Doha debate, I'm not surprised Konstantin came to this one locked and loaded.
No one touched his points on history, because none of them knew any.
Fatima Bhutto who proudly wears the Bhutto name unironically talking about the "West" while being the scion of a family whose patriarch ZA Bhutto was involved on one of the largest Genocides in the 20th Century ie Bangladesh 1971 is so infuriating.
I knew something about the name was familiar! Thank you.
To be fair, it was not Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who started the war against Bangladesh / East Pakistan but his predecessor, Yahya Khan. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was handed the presidency after Bhutto was overthrown by his fellow army colleagues because he lost the war.
@@pjacobsen1000 Yahya Khan started the war but Bhutto goaded him into it. The crackdown was decided by Yahya, ZA & Tikka Khan as a truimvirate. Yahya was useless, it was Bhutto & Tikka who were the driving forces behind Op Searchlight
@@pjacobsen1000 Not sure why my response to you disappeared. Yahya, Tikka & ZA were the Truimvirate who decided on the crackdown called Op Searchlight. In fact Yahya may have backed down but Bhutto goaded him into action.
In fact Yahya was a bit of a clown, Tikka & ZA were the real monsters. ZA escaped blame because he was not part of the Army and the Pak Army was blamed for the debacle.
Konstantin was the ONLY one being honest. Everyone likes the idea of participating in a genuine, 'robust' and uncompromising conversation, but VERY few people actually have the courage to speak in that manner. Huge respect to Konstantin for being principled in a room full of sicophants.
Why sicophants.. ? everyone was polite, respectful many agreed with some of Konstantin points, what is wrong with you
@@ChuddmasterZero Perhaps ignoramuses and hypocrites might be first and second place descriptors and sycophants might be third in describing the participants in this so-called debate? - KK excepted of course!
Because of how 95% of the panel took turns to repeat the same point again and again. It was essentially a cascade of anti western rhetoric, with only 1 guy, Konstantin, offering alternate views.
@@Thisisahandle701 you mean the only view you accept and the only view you ever got
Thank you!