Part 1: Quadraphonic Master Class with Suzanne Ciani
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Suzanne Ciani is an electronic music pioneer, composer, sound designer responsible for iconic sounds in commercials and video games, AND not only a pioneer but someone who is still leading the pack today with amazing modular performances.
But what you won't get to really know about Suzanne's performance until you attend one of her concerts is that all her shows are strictly quadraphonic, and the experience is amazing.
That experience can be recreated in the studio, so I set out to create series of videos about creating quadraphonic music and performance.
Here's Part 1 of that series - a master class with Suzanne Ciani. Suzanne's gear of choice for quadraphonic is a Buchla system, which is rare and expensive. In Part 2 I'll show how you can get similar results with any DAW, a few things that are unique to Ableton Live, and, if you're into Eurorack, a few ways to perform quadraphonically with standard and specialized modules.
Here's a link to Part 2: • 4 Easy Setups for Quad...
The H9 review I referenced in the video is here:
• The ultimate synth mul...
And the "hack" to allow guitar pedals to be controlled with voltage is here (there are quite a few tips in this video, but this one is first):
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Timeline:
0:00 Intro
1:30 History of Quad
3:30 Venues
4:30 Quad vs 5.1
6:30 Minding space
9:50 Using 227e
13:00 Reverb
14:30 Swirl control
15:50 Multiple motions
19:00 Illusionary space
19:40 Effects (H9)
25:40 Too much motion?
27:00 Some snippets
35:40 Decoding Quad
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Never in a million years would I have put that face with that voice. I would have guessed there was a beard involved. :)
Or a ponytail?
Looks like I got some hair to grow
hahaha i also imagined a beard
What is absolutely astounding is the depth of her technical understanding, but it all of her focus is on the feel and meaning of the music.....not only can she explain the technical details, but also the INTENT......
Oh wow loopop is unmasked finally! So used to see his moving hands and he looks way different than I had imagined.
So great to see Suzanne Ciani. Although a legend still with so much creative power and passion. Thank you so much for this masterpiece.
Conoscevo Ciani come eccellente pianista e compositrice , da qualche tempo l'ho scoperta anche quale alchimista del Suono , davvero una magnifica sorpresa !
Revolutionary...makes me want to become a modular synthesis artist. Thank you.
Thank you for this! Got to see her 3 times last year in The Bay Area. It was a revelation as these were the first experiences I had where there was a real sense of humanness in a solo modular performance, and I got to tell her that afterwards! When she says she hears those snippetts, she hears herself thinking, the real time dialog between her and the instrument...that says a lot. Aside from the technical stuff, there's a real lesson in that.
Watched this before, and am watching it again. She is such a joy to listen to
Just lovely. Thanks for another great and inspiring episode.
How fabulous is this! Thank you Suzanne!
It was nice to see your face and the setup was just perfect, I hope you do more, the potential interviewees I immediately thought of are Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith and Colin Benders.
Thanks very much!
Also Robert Rich would be a great interview
I know it's pretty randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to stream new tv shows online ?
Guys, amaizing input from you both !!! thanks for sharing this!
I love you man. Sharing this is the BEST.
Thanks for this. Love how she's so chill about being such an innovator.
What an amazing and dynamic person Suzanne is. Thanks for sharing 😎
You always presents great videos and with the diva of modulars - it‘s marvelous! Greeetings 🖖☺️
Really fascinating and informative interview with a true legend! Thank you!
Massively inspiring. Thank you!
This is the best video I have ever seen in your channel! Love it! She is just the BOMB!!
great to see you both, glad suzanne has finally put out a recording of this great show, which was amazing live in quad. glad to have a recording of it, even if it’s stereo.
Thanks for this really informative and genuine video. The note at the end of your comments is a nice touch too. Fair play.
THIS IS AWESOME!!! Great get!
Awesome !!!!!! It is also so great to see your face, Loopop !!!! ;) I love your vids (and your wry sense of humor).......
That was the perfect thing to listen to while redoing my quadraphonic modular setup.
This is so inspiring. I admire her soooo much, and you sir are a good wizard to follow. Thank you for this amazing interview.
she is a pioneer no doubt!
@@GuitarsAndSynths yes, I am interested in her work since I learned what a Buchla synth is. And I always loved how humble she is and opened to share her knowledge.
Kinda wish someone had reminded her of where the camera is.
This is such a heartwarming collab. Both seem like such sweet and understanding people. Loopop is a genius of sorts , with the pacing and breadth of comprehensive uses for each new concept. Just what I needed today ...
Quad has been one of my ambitions so I'll be glued to the rest of this series. It's great that you got to talk to Suzanne about this. I hope I can catch her in concert some day soon.
So great to hear a substantive interview with one of the masters-where she really gets a chance to share some of what she knows.
I agree. I only wish the interviewer wouldn't have been better. Instead of letting her tell us what was important, he seemed more interested in peppering her with specific questions in regards to his personal curiosities.
I've always loved your videos but this is some seriously good stuff! Experimented with Quad a while ago but this inspired me to explore further
Duuuuude...I just found this one! How amazing to have a 40min in depth conversation with you doing the interview. Fantastic. Thanks man. Wish I'd have seen it sooner. Weird it didn't pop up cuz I watch all your stuff
Great to see you Mr Loopop.....and the wonderful Suzanne Ciani of course.
As always, fantastic content! Of course there were those moments of discussion that left me feeling that I wasn’t given the secret handshake or decoder ring. LOL Ciani is a legend. Please add more content like this. It was very entertaining and educational as well.
How am I just now seeing this?
Both of you are awesome!
This Master Class with Suzanne Ciani in Quadraphonic sound composition and production is wonderful! Thank you!
"I try to keep things simple in performance". Ms. Ciani, we apparently have *very* different versions of what our brains can maintain as "simple".
Fantastic interview, thank you
thx for organizing us this lecture and thx for sharing your knowledge you two ;D
Amazing interview!
whew what great timing. saw her at the los angeles show last week and left with so many technical questions about her amazing set.
Incredible video - thank you! and thanks for letting us see you 😆
Fantastic, thank you.
I’ll be seeing her in May! Can’t wait to experience Seven Waves in quad.
Amazing lesson! Magic meeting :)
Thank You!
Hats off to Suzanne Ciani,
Over 20 years ago I worked at a record label called Private Music and casually got to know her, always a super sweet personality and talent far beyond our current time, and fast forward to today I'm still learning from her on youtube videos!! Thank you for making this possible loopop for creating such great content..... and your demos are concise and a breath of fresh air to the others.
Thank you for this discussion and information
FASCINATING
scoop! *LOVE* Suzanne, and so relevant today still..In fact, today people actually know what she does! I remember her on TV programmes in the 70s and 80s where people ere like: are you a scientist?! Great interview. Thank you.
THANK YOU --- amazing video.
Thanks for this content ! You are the one ! And Suzanne is super cool and a modular witch :)
Just found this
What a great interview
Very intersting video, thank you.
Actualy it's the 1st time I see the real face of our Loopop; usualy I see his hands 😄
Holy crap dude nice job
amazing !!
loopop: “cool cool !!!” 😝🤣 exactly how i would sound after having suzanne ciani explain her signal chain to me
Thank you. Super excellent interview! I enjoy all reviews -- so well done -- but this was a really wonderful surprise. Looking forward to Part 2.
Thanks! It’s already in the channel - see link in the description
@@loopop Ah, great! Thanks again. :)
Fantastic insight. [...needs a quad setup] into a wonderful person.
Wow thank you so much for creating this interview!
My pleasure :)
Such great content on your channel! keep it coming :)
very inspiring, thanks :)
Saw Suzanne Albert Hall last week, standing in the middle of the arena, next to her., but sounds swirling round my head... so inspiring! what i didn’t understand was that there were no rear speakers i could see.. i assumed it was somehow generated by the h9.? also a ios ani-moog was used, so cool when so many modular peeps are snobbish about ‘apps’. thanks to both of you!!
For me my first exposure to quadraphonic audio was Elton John’s “Goodbye to yellow brick road”, and later live shows by Pink Floyd who did their live shows for “The Wall” in quadraphonic, which was a complete mind ‘wrench’, being gentle about it.
Another great video Loopop! I learned modular on a Buchla 200 series in a studio with quad capability (1997, Evergreen State College) and i used to rig up evolving quad patches and listen to them swim around the studio for hours. I really look forward to your ideas on achieving that with modern/eurorack equipment. Ordering my copy of the quadraphonic album now!
Ha! That’s so true. First time I hooked up my quads setup I just listened to noise swirl for half an hour. It’s seriously addictive
This is so rad to discover, I've been using a quad design for ambient jazz/prog experiences in the past using multiple stereo delay effects to split the signals and delay them for a rotary time effect. Since I mostly play stringed instruments, I'm working on a 6 channel system using the outputs of a hex pickup through a delay system to stagger strummed chords by string temporally and geographically with PA placement (even the Boss GP-10 can do this natively, though there's no way to output 6 signals). My issue is running into the physical limitations of venues, you can really only calibrate the ideal experience to one spot, the rest is unknown or less than ideal. Alas, that's part of the fun! I'll have to explore some of the tips here more!
This is very exclusive interview with a legend @ciani (being admirable in every word and a knob turn). The interview leading couldn’t be better without @loopop.
This was phenomenal. Thank you both for letting us peer into the mind and technology behind this amazing pioneering artist. I was fortunate enough to hear and see Suzanne at an Ambient Church Quad show in Brooklyn. Truly an immersive experience. Thank you again.
I'd LOVE to hear how this sounds...mixing quad LIVE must be insanely complicated.
Now I really really want a quad mixer 🤤
Thank´s for this oportunity, love his work, passion and histories in this wounderful women! I've been trying to get in touch with Suzanne for years without having answers. Is there a way to get in touch with her? Maybe we can talk about it internally. Thank you
very inspiring, loved the conversation.
Not too familiar with quad produced music or performances out there, seems like unexplored territory.
Thanks and absolutely!
Woah... it's Loopop's FACE!!!
With 2 H9's I think it would be interesting to have one of the reverbs dry/wet or distance inverted from the other one so when you tilt from front to back or side to side the reverb goes down or gets shorter on one side while it gets longer or goes up on the other side.
Pink Floyd were doing quad in 1967. I think the azimuth coordinator they used is in a museum
Would love to listen to her live
wow , vc mix on verb is standard these days. .. blessed
Dear loopop,
Thank you so much for this very Special interview. I Took so much out of the few Special Moments That suzanne c. Talked about like the wet dry Reverb/distance Control. I have a small but very good functionin quad system and i cant listen anymore in mono or stereo-it become so boring to me.
The 227e is Part a Dream System
Fantastic. Thanks for this. I'm currently sniffing around the quad world for my modular setup. I don't suppose you've done part 2 yet? Thanks.
Thanks - I have! Check a few videos later on the channel...
this is amazing!.. is the mentioned quad decoder software/plug-in already out?
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I can't find the second part you mentioned in the end is that also with Ciani? I will see her show live this week can't wait really! :)
No unfortunately part 2 is just with gear.... link in the description
Great interview. Now the BIG question is... Where can you buy the music as multi (Quad) channel FLAC download? I don't have any vinyl record-player. And yes my rear speakers are identical to my full range front speakers (XTZ 99.38) and are powered by the same type of amplifiers (Hypex NCore).
Contact us via our website cykik.com/ and I'd be happy to help ya.
With all the talk on synthesis going on today, there is very little talk on quad systems from the "popular" big names today like Novation, Sequential, Arp, Korg, etc., but it seems quad, especially in performance, would be looked for. In this interview, new quad systems are mentioned. Now, over 3 years later are there any systems (affordable & available) today? P.S. love listening to Suzanne. She has a spritely spirit that mixes the technical with the human in a delightful way that wants me to hear more (Buchla & her)
Any word on when she will release her live Quad music on disc?
JACK audio + pure data patch to decode.. My turntable went to the goodwill in 1993.
Hello, great video thanks man! I tried the H9 with my Serge (RS) but even at the lowest input volume I can't make the signal quiet enough - Serge mixer is very loud! Do you know if there's a way to further decrease the input level of H9 ?
Reaper and the ATK plugin suite could potentially be an free way to decode the album? Might take a bit of setup, though?
hi. did you ever get to install that quark plugin that eventually did get made? also the album is up on tidal. time for a short update?
You know what would be better than 1 CV input ? 10 CV inputs ! #2EM :)
Seems like quad recordings could be readily upmixed into standard 5.1 surround sound encoding (either Dolby or DTS) and published in DVD or Bluray formats.
For sure. And atmos too
In former interviews suzanne mentioned an paper she wrote in her early days called "how to play the buchla". Do you know how I could get my hands on one? Thank you for help and this amazing in depth masterclass! Please more of Ciani/loopop...Best, Paul
I believe that paper is bundled with the 1975 concert album
Thx!
Unless there is like a helmet with speakers, there is no way to xp quad with stuff like virtual surround.... Maybe if she gets to participate in the process of getting that virtualization on point, but seems her stuff would only live in the realm of art and is a bummer becasue it should be more available.
quick question.... does that mean you would need to record 4 channels of audio to capture the quadraphonic into the DAW from the Buchla 227e ?
Fantastic. Trying to wrap my head around reverb and quad. A bit sad that the conclusion seems to be ”more modules”.
Also, shouldn’t someone tell Suzanne about the Erbe-Verb?
Thanks! In my follow up video (linked in description) I show a free quad panner in software, and my book has a few more
Very interesting! I wonder if you can utilize the 4 speakers available on an iPad Pro???
Woah! Cool idea! But probably not, first because I’ve never seen those appearing as separate outputs, and second because you need two speakers in front of you and two in the back (unless you balanced the iPad on your head!)
loopop I’ve heard some great sounds coming out of the 4 speakers in the iPad Pro... maybe there is a way???
Would be great if AUM could send 4 tracks to 4 speakers...
Me too... maybe, not one that I can think of now :/
Is that a fairlight?🤖
Yeah woah never even considered Quadrophonic sound for an instrument. Now I am racking my brain to figure out how I could do this cheaply.
Yes - you have to try it! A clip with how to do it cheaply and even free coming soon (except for 4 speakers...)
Great! I got my own jerry-rigged version going with 4 speakers and a DJ mixer (1 set comes through headphone cue) and I kinda faked a quad pan with a surround sound block in Reaktor. I am really hoping that someone emulates that Buchla rig that she has in Reaktor though because that would be sweet. Also, I have been looking for a flac file of Suzanne Ciani's album to listen on my system, does it exist!?
Well it's kind of a spoiler for my upcoming Part 2 (which I promise is coming soon! but this is what you're looking for: www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/10201/
Not aware of a quad flac that's available
I am pretty sure Quad FLAC is a thing I read it mentioned on forum (and nobody on forums ever lies) (dont quote me on that). Yep thats the block I used it works great but lacks the kinda detailed control that Suzanne has through her Buchla. The XY screen is really nice though to see how your audio is moving around the 4 channels. I also worried that since it was surround and not quad that it might be removing certain frequencies that were sent because I was missing channels designated in 5.1 (I think it was the sub and the middle chanel). Maybe not though? it seemed to work without much of an issue when I ran it through my mixer.
I much prefer the Strymon Timeline to the H9.
And I prefer my tape delay and spring reverb to either =}
So how exactly is true Quadraphonic related to the current supposed change of Apple 🍎 Music to upgrade their selections to “Spacial Audio”? And the next question is… Has Quadraphonic selections for the 1970s (or whenever) been converted to ‘Spacial ‘whatever’ which brings true Quadraphonic back to the masses? (Or is it more complicated than this?)
I recently made a video about spatial audio where I show (among other things) how quad music is implemented in atmos
when will part 2 be live?
It’s already live for quite some time
Is there a part 2
Yes see link in description
Buchla! If only I had a spare 30k lying around for a Skylab and Music Easel and Rhythm Generator!
Indeed! I think it totally makes sense to sell my car to get them. See, then I won’t NEED to go anywhere
It would certainly be expensive but why not just piece together a similar mixer with separate eurorack modules? Ive always wanted to play in quadraphonic so this video was a godsend to hear someone with maybe some of the most experience share how they have approached it.
Yes, there are multiple cheaper ways to do it. They’ll all be in a clip coming soon
I just watched your video on the analog wavetable and short of the lights that A144 module seems to do what the panning section of the buchla mixer does. I will definitely be grabbing a couple of those to make a simple quad mixer, unless your next video points me in another direction.
Yes it’s probably better to wait for it - indeed using the A-144 is one of the ways to get quad done but there are better ones. I don’t mean to tease - there’s one more module in the mail and I will release when it arrives