There must be something I'm doing wrong then : \ But I can't quite grasp the idea I have a lv 99 Flaemis with, like, 130 Magic, but when I try to fuse it with stuff (Despite having the miracle) it's not THAT much of a boost...
@@burlone4342 make sure that your other stuff you’re fusing flaemis with has those fusion bonuses as well. If only one demon has the bonuses then it obviously won’t be as much but you have to start fusing the elementals with a majority of your compendium but make sure you’re registering your empowered flaemis to save those bonuses you already have
@@jfiggy7145 Mhhhh, i see, of course Even with another powered up demon I don't see that much of a difference though... Well, I'll try some more! The only downside is, like, a registered high-stat flaemis now, is like... 650.000 macca, I don't remember if the price was that high in the base game... oh well Thanks!
Thanks for pointing that out I would still consider that to be a new fusion "method". 4's filter system was convoluted in my opinion this is better and more streamlined but yes you're correct
@@lVlalicious if you have a previous save file you could load it and that can fix it or if that doesn’t work then you probably have to use the quest finders in Odaiba like the other person said to get the essence
Great guide! I just picked up SMT V as an introduction to the SMT series. Looking forward to using the methods shown to optimize demon builds when I get to the endgame
The main reason behind the stat buffs is both the prayers and the bonus from the two demons level. If the pairs levels add up to or past 142 you'll get so many extra stats plus the stats from prayers, so make an elemental with endgame demons at or around 99 and reap the rewards. Then fuse into one of the parts of the special fusions which lets you build other strong demons. And yes this works in Vengeance as well. Also the stat prayers stop working for demons 20 levels past their fusion level. Ex Jack Frost starts at 25 but at 45 will not get extra buffs from the stat prayers.
Too late for a reply. But I hope it helps. The bonus stats are actually RNG. Meaning if you think, Nuwa NG+ has low Mag Stat, exit and enter again. Mag stat will change. Special fusion monsters greatly benefit post game due to extra bonus stats during lvl up. What it means is Alice and Idun can be a lot stronger if you re-fuse her again using ingredient demons after lvl them up. *lvling up demons which are ingredients for stronger demons are good up to 20 lvls only then they are good to go. It means eg if initial lvl of demons lets say 20, lvl him up to 40 and bonus stats are transfer to other demon. No need further lvl up demons. Also, elemental demons are needed to transfer skills from one demon to another instead of using essenses. *to create a strong demon needs the ff. Abyssal Mask, Pleroma, High Pleroma, Enduring Soul, High Restore. Then piercing Elemental/physical skill then multi elemental skill. Its better to have passive skills rather than multiple skills and has low damage/effect. Boon boost EX, High Heal Pleroma, luster candy, debilitate for Support units like Idun, Demeter, etc.
Thanks for the clarifications I was wondering, if I use +20lvl material-demons to fuse another material-demon for a special fusion, will the special fusion benefit from all the previous levels ? I'll clarify with an example : let's say I want Shiva, needing Barong and Rangda. If I use a +20lvl Scathach and a +20lvl Valkyrie to make a strong Barong, then give 20 levels to him, will my Shiva get all the bonus stats from Scathch xp+Valyrie exp+Barong xp, so worth of 60lvl of bonus ? (I ignored Randga in this example to keep it simpler)
@@jordandantzler1957 woah. I did not check my notifications until now but. I already forget lolz. However, this is related since SMT VV is coming. The theory of @fulgurobaboon1321 is correct. In fact, I saw some Idun and Nuwa Alt (waifus) in reddit site and their stats are horrible. Because they only fuse once. Also, they did not bother to level up the demon materials like for Nuwa Alt, thus her stats are horrible. My Nuwa initial Magic stat is 139-ish without any essence. Actually, if you do not want to fight demi fiend, high stats are useless, but in Vengeance, he is free to fight. We see streamers screaming in pain lolz.
What make Elementals special is simply that they Fuse with almost anything and either make the Demon of the same Race the next rank up or down dependant on compatibility. The ONLY exceptions I can think of is they can't make Special Fusion demons. (In this case rank refers to the relationship each demon has with others of the same Race in terms of base level)
I was about to comment this too. If anyone is further curious for the reasoning behind this long standing fusion staple, it's because the elements are supposed to be complimentary or contradictory to the race. Add more fire to a generally fiery race and you get the same race with more fire (the next demon up in the race basically) but if you add water you'll get a less fiery demon (the next demon down)
Idk if anyone has mentioned this but an easier way to farm mitamas is to goto the. First place da'at Minato and farm macca there. Since the mitamas are level 10 it only takes one almighty skill to kill them.
If you’re really that intimidated into getting into the game there’s no shame in choosing the easy difficulty and learning what everything does but I’d definitely give normal difficulty a chance since this game’s story isn’t that great and the fact that the difficulty is what this series is about but overall its challenging on normal but not impossible
I haven’t tried vengeance out yet but I assume this guide applies to it. Once I get around to testing it I’ll mention it in the description and comments.
I'm trying to figure out what I need to fuse chernobog. I don't think he shows up in vengeance for negotiations and I don't know what material I'm missing for him. I can't summon khonsu until I get him.
@@gottesurteil3201 try the fusion calculator not sure if vengeance has one yet but regular SMT V has one I think also I think you have to fight him to unlock him
@@gaarazerosama because the earlier your demons hit lvl 99 the harder it is to gain those bonus stats so theoretically you can gain stat bonuses without leveling up
@@djcleveland9192 Persona is actually a spin off game from SMT hence why there are demons from Persona in SMT. Believe or not SMT has been around for a very long time even before Pokemon.
I believe I got it from one of the essences can’t remember off the top of my head but if you're close to the end game then you should have whoever it was in your compendium
Ok so apparently this guide also applies to SMT V: Vengeance for those of you wondering
The legend returns
Heck yeah
There must be something I'm doing wrong then : \ But I can't quite grasp the idea
I have a lv 99 Flaemis with, like, 130 Magic, but when I try to fuse it with stuff (Despite having the miracle) it's not THAT much of a boost...
@@burlone4342 make sure that your other stuff you’re fusing flaemis with has those fusion bonuses as well. If only one demon has the bonuses then it obviously won’t be as much but you have to start fusing the elementals with a majority of your compendium but make sure you’re registering your empowered flaemis to save those bonuses you already have
@@jfiggy7145 Mhhhh, i see, of course
Even with another powered up demon I don't see that much of a difference though... Well, I'll try some more! The only downside is, like, a registered high-stat flaemis now, is like... 650.000 macca, I don't remember if the price was that high in the base game... oh well
Thanks!
Slight correction, while it didn't have a special name, reverse compendium fusion was introduced in SMT IV, where it was a filter option.
Thanks for pointing that out I would still consider that to be a new fusion "method". 4's filter system was convoluted in my opinion this is better and more streamlined but yes you're correct
The aogami essence can be obtained from the navigator search locations in odaiba and is repeatable.
How i cant find it and mines locked accidentally wrote over nahobis first skills plz help
I did not know that thank you for clarifying the drop rate must be pretty low
@@lVlalicious if you have a previous save file you could load it and that can fix it or if that doesn’t work then you probably have to use the quest finders in Odaiba like the other person said to get the essence
@@jfiggy7145 you got discord to clarify better?
@@lVlalicious yep the link to my server is in the description
as a speedrunner i approve of this guide for beginners and mid game players who might not know everything yet
Thanks glad I am speed runner approved 🔥
Great guide! I just picked up SMT V as an introduction to the SMT series. Looking forward to using the methods shown to optimize demon builds when I get to the endgame
Thank you I really appreciate it!! Good luck and have fun with the game :)
The main reason behind the stat buffs is both the prayers and the bonus from the two demons level.
If the pairs levels add up to or past 142 you'll get so many extra stats plus the stats from prayers, so make an elemental with endgame demons at or around 99 and reap the rewards.
Then fuse into one of the parts of the special fusions which lets you build other strong demons. And yes this works in Vengeance as well.
Also the stat prayers stop working for demons 20 levels past their fusion level. Ex Jack Frost starts at 25 but at 45 will not get extra buffs from the stat prayers.
Thx for the money guide. No dlc right now but might reconsider!
I gotcha nothing wrong with not having the DLC just makes your life a tad bit easier
Too late for a reply. But I hope it helps.
The bonus stats are actually RNG. Meaning if you think, Nuwa NG+ has low Mag Stat, exit and enter again. Mag stat will change.
Special fusion monsters greatly benefit post game due to extra bonus stats during lvl up. What it means is Alice and Idun can be a lot stronger if you re-fuse her again using ingredient demons after lvl them up.
*lvling up demons which are ingredients for stronger demons are good up to 20 lvls only then they are good to go. It means eg if initial lvl of demons lets say 20, lvl him up to 40 and bonus stats are transfer to other demon. No need further lvl up demons.
Also, elemental demons are needed to transfer skills from one demon to another instead of using essenses.
*to create a strong demon needs the ff. Abyssal Mask, Pleroma, High Pleroma, Enduring Soul, High Restore. Then piercing Elemental/physical skill then multi elemental skill. Its better to have passive skills rather than multiple skills and has low damage/effect.
Boon boost EX, High Heal Pleroma, luster candy, debilitate for Support units like Idun, Demeter, etc.
Thanks for the clarifications
I was wondering, if I use +20lvl material-demons to fuse another material-demon for a special fusion, will the special fusion benefit from all the previous levels ? I'll clarify with an example : let's say I want Shiva, needing Barong and Rangda. If I use a +20lvl Scathach and a +20lvl Valkyrie to make a strong Barong, then give 20 levels to him, will my Shiva get all the bonus stats from Scathch xp+Valyrie exp+Barong xp, so worth of 60lvl of bonus ? (I ignored Randga in this example to keep it simpler)
Great question awaiting a reply
@@jordandantzler1957 woah. I did not check my notifications until now but. I already forget lolz. However, this is related since SMT VV is coming.
The theory of @fulgurobaboon1321 is correct.
In fact, I saw some Idun and Nuwa Alt (waifus) in reddit site and their stats are horrible. Because they only fuse once. Also, they did not bother to level up the demon materials like for Nuwa Alt, thus her stats are horrible. My Nuwa initial Magic stat is 139-ish without any essence.
Actually, if you do not want to fight demi fiend, high stats are useless, but in Vengeance, he is free to fight. We see streamers screaming in pain lolz.
Thanks for this guide. This is my first SMT and I'm stuck trying to defeat Zeus aha...I'll be putting these tips or nuggets into practice. 🎮🔥🇨🇦
Nice! Good luck hopefully something on here helps!
Nice! This would probably help get that low level Wolf dude leveled up who has the strongest Electric/Strongest attack in the game.
He’s a really solid demon
What make Elementals special is simply that they Fuse with almost anything and either make the Demon of the same Race the next rank up or down dependant on compatibility. The ONLY exceptions I can think of is they can't make Special Fusion demons.
(In this case rank refers to the relationship each demon has with others of the same Race in terms of base level)
I was about to comment this too. If anyone is further curious for the reasoning behind this long standing fusion staple, it's because the elements are supposed to be complimentary or contradictory to the race. Add more fire to a generally fiery race and you get the same race with more fire (the next demon up in the race basically) but if you add water you'll get a less fiery demon (the next demon down)
Nice guide mate
I just bought the mitama macca DLC, it gives enough XP without being overkill and all the macca you need.
Im internally fighting with myself with regards to the miatama dlc.. It's soo beyond broken.
Better late than never. I just bought this game weeks ago. I don't mind spoiler. Thanks for the guide. Done Subbed 😎
Thank you I appreciate it
A lot of quality and efforts in your vids but so little subs. I'm sure you'll blow up soon
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words (maybe one day 😂)
This will do well for SMT Vengeance new comers
I hope so
Carry over demons like shiva
Nice guide, it's gonna be a lot of grind but at least now i have hope on defeating demi fiend 😅
Good luck friend
I haven't touched SMT V after getting stuck at the kill all religions main gods quest, so I hope this can help me out a bit.
Hopefully it does help good luck 🫡
Zero percent joke earned my subscription.
Glad to have you welcome aboard 🫡
Idk if anyone has mentioned this but an easier way to farm mitamas is to goto the. First place da'at Minato and farm macca there. Since the mitamas are level 10 it only takes one almighty skill to kill them.
Only problem is that the Mitamas in first area don’t give as much macca items as the late game ones
Pretty intimidated by this game, but it looks so fun. How hard is it, really?
If you’re really that intimidated into getting into the game there’s no shame in choosing the easy difficulty and learning what everything does but I’d definitely give normal difficulty a chance since this game’s story isn’t that great and the fact that the difficulty is what this series is about but overall its challenging on normal but not impossible
Better way to defeat hordes of Mitama on hard is to simply use Impaler's Animus and then use your strongest AOE skill.
Would this still work for vengence especially since you can toggle off unforgiving memories
I haven’t tried vengeance out yet but I assume this guide applies to it. Once I get around to testing it I’ll mention it in the description and comments.
@jfiggy7145 awesome can't wait thanks alot new sub!
@@quazyblix2224 thank you!
I'm trying to figure out what I need to fuse chernobog. I don't think he shows up in vengeance for negotiations and I don't know what material I'm missing for him. I can't summon khonsu until I get him.
@@gottesurteil3201 try the fusion calculator not sure if vengeance has one yet but regular SMT V has one I think also I think you have to fight him to unlock him
Why does unforgotten memories make min max harder?
@@gaarazerosama because the earlier your demons hit lvl 99 the harder it is to gain those bonus stats so theoretically you can gain stat bonuses without leveling up
Figgy are you playing smt v vengence?
Yep doing a play through and uploading it this week!
@@jfiggy7145 Lets fucking gooooooooooooooooooooo
Did you notice some of the demons are from persona why is tht
@@djcleveland9192 Persona is actually a spin off game from SMT hence why there are demons from Persona in SMT. Believe or not SMT has been around for a very long time even before Pokemon.
Persona is a spin-off of smt that started from smt if persona.
They should make Demon Essence like Pokemon TM (infinite use)
after selling my donkey i was able to pick up smtv. great game, great vid!
terrible trade
I'd rather have a donkey
Did it talk like in shrek?
yes but he can only say curse words, bad donkey.@@CardboardObsession
11:21 no need to spyglass the first?
Almighty moves hit everything regardless of resistance so spyglass wouldn’t be needed on an easier difficulty
@@jfiggy7145 nice! Good to know. Thanks.
Idun is pronounced "Eden" btw. As in the garden, hence the apple.
Well Eden is a Christian thing while Idun is Norse pagen so they're actually completely unrelated
How to increase skill type +1 to +9, of the main character and the demons?
the mastery miracles
Does this still apply to Vengeance?
Yep there’s a few differences with some level up items existing but everything in this guide still applies
Please don’t do the “did you know % isn’t subbed” thing ever again. Other than that, good guide. 👍
@@Yousef77077 trust me I learned my lesson but hey you saw I did stop myself
this guide is doodoo bunz
Good spoilers. 👍 Learned nothing.
need to know how u got drain electic on idun?
I believe I got it from one of the essences can’t remember off the top of my head but if you're close to the end game then you should have whoever it was in your compendium
It is Zeus’s essence you will need for that iirc