Case play #9. Thinking as a coach here (well trying to think what they might come up with) Ball hit to F6 they field it, R1 knows they will be out, R1 slows way down to stay far away from the base, so they can keep standing up and try to legally interfere with he throw as much as possible. Does not veir their path, but reduces speed to make sure they can keep standing up. That is legal?
As long as the runner doesn’t move in a way that is interpreted to be an intent to interfere it’s legal. In college you must slide or veer off. A good Pinot man will receive a throw and move to clear the runner, and then throw.
@@UmpireClassroom my spell check guy was making a sandwich. Pivot man is what I meant to spell. Although a Pinot Grigio white wine sounds good on a Saturday night after a work out at Planet Fitness.
If R1 stops around the halfway point, a good fielder will find a way to throw around him. The bigger question is this: What if, instead of stopping halfway, R1 actually retreats toward 1st base and gets right in F3's face as the throw is arriving? Follow the link to see an MLB play exactly like what I've just described. ruclips.net/video/ZTHGXYGfEQ8/видео.html
@@DavidEmerling79 you present an anomaly. This scenario almost never happens. Running bases backward because you are confused is not illegal. Interference with a thrown ball must be intentional. It’s not the bigger picture at all. The big picture is what is the force play slide rule in high school baseball.,
13. With the bases loaded and one out, B5 hits a line drive to the right-field fence. R3 and R2 both score, but R1 is thrown out at home. B5 safely arrives at third, but missed first base. The defense properly appeals B5's missing first base. • A. Two runs score. • B. One run will count. • C. No runs will be scored Can u help with that
Case Play #8 is just weird. The catcher's communication device on his wrist isn't working. If he goes to the dugout to get it replaced, it's *not* a defensive conference but if the coach comes out to hand him a working device, then it *is* a defensive conference. I can see no logic in that. It seems to me that if the coach does not discuss any strategy with the catcher when he comes out onto the field, then it's silly to charge them with a defensive conference. It's solely an equipment issue. What if one of the straps on the catcher's shin guard keeps popping off. If a coach comes out to help fix the broken strap or give the catcher a different pair of shin guards, is that going to be a charged defensive conference? Or, is this just a rule that applies to communication devices? Weird!
It's weird and you make a good point about the catchers mask. I do think the NFHS, for pace of play, is trying to say that if it doesn't work, we aren't going to wait 5 minutes to figure it out.
My thoughts exactly. What’s the difference? Similar to checking on an injured player. We monitor the conversation and if no strategy is discussed it’s not a conference. Broken strap, broken communication device. Seems silly to treat them differently.
@@UmpireClassroom Does the rule book actually support this interpretation about the team being charged with a defensive conference for the purpose of addressing a catcher's malfunctioning communication device? Or, is this only supported by the case play?
What's the logic with not having the play card on the belt? Only one umpire enforced that last year, 34 of 35 games both teams used the belt. Seems odd, but maybe there is something I'm missing?
@2a4life is correct. It's equipment not worn to the design of the manufacturer. In theory, this means the original design was made to be safe for the wearer, but now that safety is compromised. It's a slippery slope argument, like if a batter wore a helmet backwards. It's also important that umpires NEVER accept or assume any liability for injuries due to improperly worn equipment on the field. That said, NFHS or the league you are working certainly appreciate you enforcing rules like this to protect their liability.
@@UmpireClassroomthanks Patrick. You the man. Has the Fed. bureaucrats explained just how a player can be injured by wearing a card on their belt? If so, it must be a hilarious explanation.
I have a bumper sticker that reads,” Question authority.” I don’t enforce the asinine rule, and no one cares. I refuse to pick up the shitty end of the stick. Any umpire enforcing the rule will see his assignments affected negatively.
I believe that the NFHS has been clear in it’s rules and interpretations concerning the use of wristbands and other equipment. I have always believed that we umpires should enforce these as spelled out without interjecting our personal preferences. The NFHS is the higher authority.
Question: When an umpire requests the game administrator to handle a situation outside of the field of play, does the game administrator have the sole authority to determine how to handle the situation, or can the umpire require that the game administrator take certain actions? For example, if spectators were causing a game to spiral out of control, could the umpires require the game administrator to clear the bleachers in order to proceed with the game?
Fortunately, in nearly 30 years of umpiring, I've never felt the need to go to a game administrator due to fan behavior. However! My plan has always been to handle it this way: 1. First, ignore the fan. It usually goes away and fixes itself. 2. If the fan is completely out of control, I stop the game, go to the home coach and ask who the game administrator is. 3. If the game administrator is unwilling or unable to get the situation under control - and the behavior of the fan continues - I go to my partner and say, "Let's go." We leave! 4. I don't declare the game a forfeit. I submit an Incident Report to the state organization and let them handle it.
You’re so right David that worrying about if a game is completed or suspended in a situation like that is not necessary. Get off the field and let the state deal with it.
@@jasonbolinger9433 I don't see why the umpires terminating the game due to unacceptable fan behavior that cannot be curtailed would cause a forfeit. The game is simply terminated. Whether it is a forfeit, suspended, or determined to be a no-game is not a problem for the umpires to solve. It's a state organization problem.
Re: Spectators - You gotta halt the game if the spectators are making further play unreasonable, unsafe, or unfair. I'm not sure what I'll do, but I'll probably start asking about first aid/AD and game management personnel at the plate conference. I'm lucky if I see an AD on a golf cart; and he's usually a half mile away watching another sport. I almost never see an AD during a game, and that's the "designated game management" person at all our NFHS level games here. It creates a horrible problem wherein you need to go through the home coach to get their own fans to calm down, exactly at the time when the home coach is most upset with you. I understand the rule change, but game management needs better definitions and officials need to have a specific mechanism or avenue by which they can contact the designated game management individual. Otherwise, I worry the spectators are going to get out of control during high-leverage calls and we're going to end up halting games that we can't control.
The 1 way communication one is going to be a giant PITA to enforce. I have no idea how to make sure they are in the dugout, or even what they look like. I probably won't even hear the one in the catcher's/batter's ear. The non-forfeit for spectator stuff is a bad idea IMO. There are often games we officiate where the 'school official' is just the home coach, who isn't really going to be able to do anything with their fans. Fans have been awful to umpires: we shouldn't be doing anything to limit their ability stem/cull this sort of behavior.
We can't forfeit a game for spectator actions. However, if we go to the game administrator, be it the principal, AD, coach or whomever, and that person does nothing, we CAN forfeit the game for that individual's failure to address the situation.
That’s not a bad point. I’d also tell umpires, in an obscure situation getting to the level you feel you need to stop play completely for the day, don’t worry about the final outcome. Record the situation like you would a rain delay. The state association can deal with the outcome.
@@UmpireClassroom Agreed, I would think a 'called due to bad crowd' would be fine, as long as the AD/league backed us up, but that isn't much different than forfeiting it. I'm just amazed 'umpire overreacts and forfeits the game' was high enough on the NFHS rules committee's "problems" list to deal with. Though, I guess 'wrist band sold as belt-buckle' made it to the top of their list so they are running out of problems. One thing think OTHER leagues should do is permit ejection of fans. Oregon law allows officials to 'tresspass' bad fans, so the local league for 14U (also NFHS) encourages umps to do so if needed. The result has been much better behaved crowds as well as less ejections and forfeits. It apparently was getting to the point where coaches would be unable to deal with coaches, so the entire team's coaching staff would get ejected over 20 minutes, resulting in no legal coaches on the field. Instead, we now eject the troublesome person, and they leave or get arrested. I've used it 2x over the last 2 years, and both times their coach has thanked me for it, and told me they were an uncontrollable parent. Older coaches appreciate it even more, since they are the ones who used to get ejected for the guy.
You might hear someone behind you, or you might see the catcher looking up in the stands. In this case, you might at least suspect. I think I read somewhere the suggestion that you ask the catcher where his coach is, but I suspect that will only work the first time a catcher gets asked that in a season. So, mainly, just let it go unless you know or strongly suspect.
@@craigdupree1687 I've been working for a long time to turn my rabbit ears OFF! Yeah, this is pretty much a rule I'm only going to be able to enforce if an opposing coach 'challenges' it.
Why? Why? Why do we need rules about electronic devices for high school baseball? No! As an umpire, how am I supposed to know when the coach is outside the dugout, they are not using an electronic comm device? How do I know if there is someone in the stands who is communicating directly to the catcher? No! The rule should state the use of electronic comm devices is prohibited. Coaches can send in pitch calls via hand signals. You know…the way we have done for decades in high school ball. As for taking away forfeiture responsibilities from the umpire, well…if I request the AD or designated game management perform their job and do a task and they don’t, my crew and I are going home. It makes no difference to me if it’s forfeit or not…
I will say, if we aren't being protected or supported by game management, I can see suspending it. Let the state leadership decide what to do. In Georgia, it will be a SIGNIFICANT fine. 1 school admin once declined an umpires request to stop heckling from the student section. They received a 4 figure fine from the state. State leadership has to have your back for this to work.
As far as the electronic device what I plan I doing is discussing the usage meaning I.e. are you using a device coaches? If yes may I see them? (Now I know what to look for) and whose gonna be using them. let them know the do’s and don’t of using them? Then enforce the proper penalties accordingly. I’m not a fan of this either I prefer old school too I believe they just need to be a little more creative with calling pitches and the methods being used to relay them. secondly i don’t believe stealing the sign of the pitch is that effective an barely done successfully at this level of baseball for the most part.Baseball is won and lost heavily on creating situations exploiting tendencies and execution. 90% mental 10% physical so if coaches and players are paying attention or not to the details during the game who needs to worry about signs being stolen. You can yell high in tight 4seamer for big Timmy every at bat) if he can’t hit it does it matter if he knows it’s coming lol….the pitcher isn’t hitting his spots with the correct pitches to the correct batters or vice Versa does it matter if your paying attention? The middle of the lineup touched every fastball regardless of location but struggled on inside off speed pitches. So when the situation occurs make the proper corrections. When did chargers an double A batteries become apart of the game. Now as far as fans and umpires well just the treatment of umpires period has gone way outta bounds. The value and level of respect for umpires has dwindled leaving us in a terrible place. Umpires should be well protected well respected with minimal involvement on the outcome of the game. On the flip side umpires have to be better at their duties also to deserve this treatment. If Administration is allowing the umpire on the field admin is basically telling everybody at the game I trust an faith they will do the correct thing at the correct moment at the umpires best ability .so always standing by the blue should be a given. (That’s like telling a customer I don’t buy my own product they always breakdown an don’t perform as they should.)And a lot of the times the game management crew doesn’t stand behind the ump.They only care about themselves looking good and pleasing the most threatening party. If fans parents students coaches are wrong stand on that and do what’s needed and if the umpire is wrong the same applies but address it in the correct manner an environment because keep in mind game management has deal with it again in the next day or 2 and criticizing your product or an extension of you (which umpires are) in the view of customers does nothing but open up the door to refunds exchanges and problems consistently for umpires which in turn is problems for game management. We are all together and responsible for how this thing goes. Admin makes the rules and umpires enforce them. When problems arise it falls back on the same 2 positions unfortunately. so admin give the Umps the proper tools n training and assurance they need to do their best work for everyone involved with limitless confidence. It can be done it’s possible because baseball is still being played 100 years later
Can't wait to see if this fine effects their 2024 season. From my understanding, the fine was not due to one game but a series of incidents in multiple games. Thank you GHSA for stepping in. @@UmpireClassroom
@@jasonbolinger9433 Petition is underway. There are those who simply accept the world as it is. There are those who see how things could be better and work to make things better.
Whats with the rule about umpires not being able to forefit a game due to spectators? Most HS games Ive worked have had no AD's or other administrators present at all. To date while I've only called a game early due to weather issues. I have had some games where we as a crew had considered ending games due to spectators or coaches. Seems like a rule that just puts umpires in a worse situation which isnt helpful in recruiting more people to becoming umpires.
That's interesting. In Georgia, schools are required to have a game administrator at every game and they can not be a coach in the game. Schools get fined if they don't have one.
So…the NFHS has chosen to make us non- arbiters of the entire game. If we do not have the authority to control spectator behavior when things are spinning out of control, what do we have? How often do we work games with no AD or other authority at the venue. This is a rule being instigated by unresponsive or irresponsible administrators endangering game officials while trying to gain an advantage over visiting schools and officials. I see that we cannot forfeit the game, but I see nothing that says we cannot suspend a game until such time as appropriate school officials are in place to handle out of control spectators. If AD responsibility is delegated to the coach, then should become the coach’s responsibility to control the spectators. Even Little League allowed umpires to bar the obnoxious and unruly from the premises.
Of note, in GHSA sports, a game administrator is required to be named at the plate meeting. If they are not present, the school receives a significant fine.
I'm gonna make a play card that has belt loops and is designed to be worn on the belt. Would this be considered legal? No joke, I'm totally doing this.
9:06 that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why does it matter if the PLAYER goes inside the dugout vs the coach coming onto the field??? If it's to fix the equipment then it shouldn't count just like in the first scenario where the catcher goes into the dugout.
Case play #9. Thinking as a coach here (well trying to think what they might come up with)
Ball hit to F6 they field it, R1 knows they will be out, R1 slows way down to stay far away from the base, so they can keep standing up and try to legally interfere with he throw as much as possible. Does not veir their path, but reduces speed to make sure they can keep standing up.
That is legal?
As long as the runner doesn’t move in a way that is interpreted to be an intent to interfere it’s legal. In college you must slide or veer off. A good Pinot man will receive a throw and move to clear the runner, and then throw.
I agree with Ray. Although, I’m not sure what a Pinot man is 😂
@@UmpireClassroom my spell check guy was making a sandwich. Pivot man is what I meant to spell. Although a Pinot Grigio white wine sounds good on a Saturday night after a work out at Planet Fitness.
If R1 stops around the halfway point, a good fielder will find a way to throw around him. The bigger question is this: What if, instead of stopping halfway, R1 actually retreats toward 1st base and gets right in F3's face as the throw is arriving? Follow the link to see an MLB play exactly like what I've just described.
ruclips.net/video/ZTHGXYGfEQ8/видео.html
@@DavidEmerling79 you present an anomaly. This scenario almost never happens. Running bases backward because you are confused is not illegal. Interference with a thrown ball must be intentional. It’s not the bigger picture at all. The big picture is what is the force play slide rule in high school baseball.,
13. With the bases loaded and one out, B5 hits a line drive to the right-field fence. R3 and R2 both score, but R1 is thrown out at home. B5 safely arrives at third, but missed first base. The defense properly appeals B5's missing first base.
• A. Two runs score.
• B. One run will count.
• C. No runs will be scored
Can u help with that
No runs score. 8.2.2 Situation I
The third out is the batter runner failing to reach first.
@@UmpireClassroom thanks appreciate
Case Play #8 is just weird. The catcher's communication device on his wrist isn't working. If he goes to the dugout to get it replaced, it's *not* a defensive conference but if the coach comes out to hand him a working device, then it *is* a defensive conference.
I can see no logic in that. It seems to me that if the coach does not discuss any strategy with the catcher when he comes out onto the field, then it's silly to charge them with a defensive conference. It's solely an equipment issue.
What if one of the straps on the catcher's shin guard keeps popping off. If a coach comes out to help fix the broken strap or give the catcher a different pair of shin guards, is that going to be a charged defensive conference? Or, is this just a rule that applies to communication devices? Weird!
It's weird and you make a good point about the catchers mask.
I do think the NFHS, for pace of play, is trying to say that if it doesn't work, we aren't going to wait 5 minutes to figure it out.
My thoughts exactly. What’s the difference? Similar to checking on an injured player. We monitor the conversation and if no strategy is discussed it’s not a conference. Broken strap, broken communication device. Seems silly to treat them differently.
@@UmpireClassroom Does the rule book actually support this interpretation about the team being charged with a defensive conference for the purpose of addressing a catcher's malfunctioning communication device? Or, is this only supported by the case play?
It’s case book added specifically for this rules change.
So gone are the days where we are using signals?
What's the logic with not having the play card on the belt? Only one umpire enforced that last year, 34 of 35 games both teams used the belt. Seems odd, but maybe there is something I'm missing?
By rule it’s equipment not worn properly.
@2a4life is correct. It's equipment not worn to the design of the manufacturer. In theory, this means the original design was made to be safe for the wearer, but now that safety is compromised. It's a slippery slope argument, like if a batter wore a helmet backwards.
It's also important that umpires NEVER accept or assume any liability for injuries due to improperly worn equipment on the field. That said, NFHS or the league you are working certainly appreciate you enforcing rules like this to protect their liability.
@@UmpireClassroomthanks Patrick. You the man. Has the Fed. bureaucrats explained just how a player can be injured by wearing a card on their belt? If so, it must be a hilarious explanation.
I have a bumper sticker that reads,” Question authority.” I don’t enforce the asinine rule, and no one cares. I refuse to pick up the shitty end of the stick. Any umpire enforcing the rule will see his assignments affected negatively.
I believe that the NFHS has been clear in it’s rules and interpretations concerning the use of wristbands and other equipment. I have always believed that we umpires should enforce these as spelled out without interjecting our personal preferences. The NFHS is the higher authority.
Question: When an umpire requests the game administrator to handle a situation outside of the field of play, does the game administrator have the sole authority to determine how to handle the situation, or can the umpire require that the game administrator take certain actions? For example, if spectators were causing a game to spiral out of control, could the umpires require the game administrator to clear the bleachers in order to proceed with the game?
Fortunately, in nearly 30 years of umpiring, I've never felt the need to go to a game administrator due to fan behavior. However! My plan has always been to handle it this way:
1. First, ignore the fan. It usually goes away and fixes itself.
2. If the fan is completely out of control, I stop the game, go to the home coach and ask who the game administrator is.
3. If the game administrator is unwilling or unable to get the situation under control - and the behavior of the fan continues - I go to my partner and say, "Let's go." We leave!
4. I don't declare the game a forfeit. I submit an Incident Report to the state organization and let them handle it.
You’re so right David that worrying about if a game is completed or suspended in a situation like that is not necessary. Get off the field and let the state deal with it.
Do the rules support the umpires leaving the field? Would that not have the same effect as forfeiting the game?
@@jasonbolinger9433 I don't see why the umpires terminating the game due to unacceptable fan behavior that cannot be curtailed would cause a forfeit. The game is simply terminated. Whether it is a forfeit, suspended, or determined to be a no-game is not a problem for the umpires to solve. It's a state organization problem.
Re: Spectators - You gotta halt the game if the spectators are making further play unreasonable, unsafe, or unfair. I'm not sure what I'll do, but I'll probably start asking about first aid/AD and game management personnel at the plate conference. I'm lucky if I see an AD on a golf cart; and he's usually a half mile away watching another sport. I almost never see an AD during a game, and that's the "designated game management" person at all our NFHS level games here. It creates a horrible problem wherein you need to go through the home coach to get their own fans to calm down, exactly at the time when the home coach is most upset with you.
I understand the rule change, but game management needs better definitions and officials need to have a specific mechanism or avenue by which they can contact the designated game management individual. Otherwise, I worry the spectators are going to get out of control during high-leverage calls and we're going to end up halting games that we can't control.
The 1 way communication one is going to be a giant PITA to enforce. I have no idea how to make sure they are in the dugout, or even what they look like. I probably won't even hear the one in the catcher's/batter's ear.
The non-forfeit for spectator stuff is a bad idea IMO. There are often games we officiate where the 'school official' is just the home coach, who isn't really going to be able to do anything with their fans. Fans have been awful to umpires: we shouldn't be doing anything to limit their ability stem/cull this sort of behavior.
We can't forfeit a game for spectator actions. However, if we go to the game administrator, be it the principal, AD, coach or whomever, and that person does nothing, we CAN forfeit the game for that individual's failure to address the situation.
That’s not a bad point. I’d also tell umpires, in an obscure situation getting to the level you feel you need to stop play completely for the day, don’t worry about the final outcome. Record the situation like you would a rain delay. The state association can deal with the outcome.
@@UmpireClassroom Agreed, I would think a 'called due to bad crowd' would be fine, as long as the AD/league backed us up, but that isn't much different than forfeiting it. I'm just amazed 'umpire overreacts and forfeits the game' was high enough on the NFHS rules committee's "problems" list to deal with. Though, I guess 'wrist band sold as belt-buckle' made it to the top of their list so they are running out of problems.
One thing think OTHER leagues should do is permit ejection of fans. Oregon law allows officials to 'tresspass' bad fans, so the local league for 14U (also NFHS) encourages umps to do so if needed. The result has been much better behaved crowds as well as less ejections and forfeits. It apparently was getting to the point where coaches would be unable to deal with coaches, so the entire team's coaching staff would get ejected over 20 minutes, resulting in no legal coaches on the field.
Instead, we now eject the troublesome person, and they leave or get arrested. I've used it 2x over the last 2 years, and both times their coach has thanked me for it, and told me they were an uncontrollable parent. Older coaches appreciate it even more, since they are the ones who used to get ejected for the guy.
You might hear someone behind you, or you might see the catcher looking up in the stands. In this case, you might at least suspect. I think I read somewhere the suggestion that you ask the catcher where his coach is, but I suspect that will only work the first time a catcher gets asked that in a season. So, mainly, just let it go unless you know or strongly suspect.
@@craigdupree1687 I've been working for a long time to turn my rabbit ears OFF! Yeah, this is pretty much a rule I'm only going to be able to enforce if an opposing coach 'challenges' it.
Why? Why? Why do we need rules about electronic devices for high school baseball? No! As an umpire, how am I supposed to know when the coach is outside the dugout, they are not using an electronic comm device? How do I know if there is someone in the stands who is communicating directly to the catcher? No! The rule should state the use of electronic comm devices is prohibited. Coaches can send in pitch calls via hand signals. You know…the way we have done for decades in high school ball. As for taking away forfeiture responsibilities from the umpire, well…if I request the AD or designated game management perform their job and do a task and they don’t, my crew and I are going home. It makes no difference to me if it’s forfeit or not…
I will say, if we aren't being protected or supported by game management, I can see suspending it. Let the state leadership decide what to do.
In Georgia, it will be a SIGNIFICANT fine. 1 school admin once declined an umpires request to stop heckling from the student section. They received a 4 figure fine from the state.
State leadership has to have your back for this to work.
As far as the electronic device what I plan I doing is discussing the usage meaning I.e. are you using a device coaches? If yes may I see them? (Now I know what to look for) and whose gonna be using them. let them know the do’s and don’t of using them? Then enforce the proper penalties accordingly. I’m not a fan of this either I prefer old school too I believe they just need to be a little more creative with calling pitches and the methods being used to relay them. secondly i don’t believe stealing the sign of the pitch is that effective an barely done successfully at this level of baseball for the most part.Baseball is won and lost heavily on creating situations exploiting tendencies and execution. 90% mental 10% physical so if coaches and players are paying attention or not to the details during the game who needs to worry about signs being stolen. You can yell high in tight 4seamer for big Timmy every at bat) if he can’t hit it does it matter if he knows it’s coming lol….the pitcher isn’t hitting his spots with the correct pitches to the correct batters or vice Versa does it matter if your paying attention? The middle of the lineup touched every fastball regardless of location but struggled on inside off speed pitches. So when the situation occurs make the proper corrections. When did chargers an double A batteries become apart of the game. Now as far as fans and umpires well just the treatment of umpires period has gone way outta bounds. The value and level of respect for umpires has dwindled leaving us in a terrible place. Umpires should be well protected well respected with minimal involvement on the outcome of the game. On the flip side umpires have to be better at their duties also to deserve this treatment. If Administration is allowing the umpire on the field admin is basically telling everybody at the game I trust an faith they will do the correct thing at the correct moment at the umpires best ability .so always standing by the blue should be a given. (That’s like telling a customer I don’t buy my own product they always breakdown an don’t perform as they should.)And a lot of the times the game management crew doesn’t stand behind the ump.They only care about themselves looking good and pleasing the most threatening party. If fans parents students coaches are wrong stand on that and do what’s needed and if the umpire is wrong the same applies but address it in the correct manner an environment because keep in mind game management has deal with it again in the next day or 2 and criticizing your product or an extension of you (which umpires are) in the view of customers does nothing but open up the door to refunds exchanges and problems consistently for umpires which in turn is problems for game management. We are all together and responsible for how this thing goes. Admin makes the rules and umpires enforce them. When problems arise it falls back on the same 2 positions unfortunately. so admin give the Umps the proper tools n training and assurance they need to do their best work for everyone involved with limitless confidence. It can be done it’s possible because baseball is still being played 100 years later
Can't wait to see if this fine effects their 2024 season. From my understanding, the fine was not due to one game but a series of incidents in multiple games. Thank you GHSA for stepping in. @@UmpireClassroom
If you don't like a rule, petition the NFHS to change it. Until then, enforce the rules as written.
@@jasonbolinger9433 Petition is underway. There are those who simply accept the world as it is. There are those who see how things could be better and work to make things better.
Woe is me(us, umpires)! Just when u thought it was safe to go back in the water. (No administrators and more fans!)
Whats with the rule about umpires not being able to forefit a game due to spectators?
Most HS games Ive worked have had no AD's or other administrators present at all.
To date while I've only called a game early due to weather issues. I have had some games where we as a crew had considered ending games due to spectators or coaches.
Seems like a rule that just puts umpires in a worse situation which isnt helpful in recruiting more people to becoming umpires.
That's interesting. In Georgia, schools are required to have a game administrator at every game and they can not be a coach in the game.
Schools get fined if they don't have one.
So…the NFHS has chosen to make us non- arbiters of the entire game. If we do not have the authority to control spectator behavior when things are spinning out of control, what do we have? How often do we work games with no AD or other authority at the venue. This is a rule being instigated by unresponsive or irresponsible administrators endangering game officials while trying to gain an advantage over visiting schools and officials.
I see that we cannot forfeit the game, but I see nothing that says we cannot suspend a game until such time as appropriate school officials are in place to handle out of control spectators. If AD responsibility is delegated to the coach, then should become the coach’s responsibility to control the spectators.
Even Little League allowed umpires to bar the obnoxious and unruly from the premises.
Of note, in GHSA sports, a game administrator is required to be named at the plate meeting. If they are not present, the school receives a significant fine.
This is just a guess. Your new “invention” may fall under Rule 1-5-11. IDK.
I'm gonna make a play card that has belt loops and is designed to be worn on the belt. Would this be considered legal? No joke, I'm totally doing this.
Until they say the belt wasn't designed in a way to have a play card added to it 😅
(I only explain the rules lol)
@@UmpireClassroom this rule is so stupid. What danger, harm, bad behavior is being prevented with this rule?
@@erikpaullive broken fingers from somebody getting caught in it. I have seen it happen in football which has the same exact rule
9:06
that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why does it matter if the PLAYER goes inside the dugout vs the coach coming onto the field??? If it's to fix the equipment then it shouldn't count just like in the first scenario where the catcher goes into the dugout.