In the early days of Cinestill, i'm pretty sure they did take off the remjet layer themselves with some sort of chemical process. There is a lot of people who had issues in the early days of Cinestill, and this was the excuse they gave. If this is true, it is possible that Amber is doing the same with Vison3 250D stock.
I shoot a lot of 250D with the remjet still on it, and I'm pretty sure this is 250D. It's my go to film, because of price/quality wise, its the best for my style. I'm pretty sure this is the look you get when shooting it at 400. I normally shoot it at 200, and sometimes expose for the shadows when I'm after a certain look, and it still delivers. When developing, I try to pull it very slightly, in my experience this gives the best results paired with my shooting style. I'm not surprised you can shoot this at 400, it feels like the most "advanced" film (next to 500t) I've ever shot, because of the enormous exposure latitude, and it's resistance against highlight blowouts. I'm not sure if the removal of the remjet layer before that changes anything to that.
Last year I shot 2 rolls of this film, so it appears that the DX code is now adhered already on the film and no DX sticker was needed. Some photos looked good on it and some had some weird color shifts to it. Regardless, still a fun film to shoot. To answer your question on whether Reto is getting master rolls from Kodak, I doubt it because if you look at the edge coding near the perforations of the Amber film, it has the Eastman name on it so my assumption is they buy the movie film and remove the layer themselves. As for Cinestill, they did this when they started but recently, their films have their own edge coating which essentially means Cinestill has had to have their own film slitting and packaging machines. Maybe Reto will get to this point eventually
I haven't shot with a lot of cinestill color film, more because the original cine stock is like half the cost and I usually prefer not having halation. with a little bit of extra work (no more than with standard ECN-2) I process my ECN-2 film in C-41 chemistry at home with a washing soda + baking soda prewash to remove the remjet. but definitely those who send off their film should not send anything with the remjet unless the lab does ECN-2.
I think you hit the nail on the head. There are at least 3 brands that seems to sell this same stock (Reflx Labs, Cinestill, and Reformed Film Lab) with more on the way. I know my local lab is trying to get the same stuff as their own house brand. Reflx Labs offers the 400D and 800T for $13USD and the Double X for $8 USD. It takes 2 full weeks to arrive but well worth it if ordering in bulk. Great pics and great video!
@@dynamotv yeah, i always appreciate the light leaks when they don't compromise the image over all- can't complain about a lil extra colour here and there
@@YvonneHansonPhotography, yeah. I always consider the first few frames of 800t as throwaways. I'll still shoot with intention but if it's a oro shoot, I'll try and get the first 5 out quickly before the serious stuff :)
Thank you for posting unedited & also edited photos side by side. Many new film photographers see an image & want to get ‘look,’ but this is important because often images need editing. This helps.
Cool video, I was a bit curious how Amber operates, thanks for shining some light on it! Removing the remjet layer prior to shooting a roll of film is tough but not impossible, there's a guy in my city who's doing it himself on a pretty small scale, so I guess copying what Amber does can be done.
Very nice results also really enjoyed the part you try to investigate where does this come from. I would like to add a point to your research... just check the info on the negative border and the perfuration and compare both. I believe Cinestill started just like Ember/vibe and others with some kind of process to wash the remjet off but like you said now it seems like they are getting custom ordered directly from Kodak.
I like that you show both edited and unedited versions of the shot. I don't edit my film shots yet bc I want to see how they look naturally. Although, I'm not sure how much I screw them up while scanning. So at some point I will edit my shots. I love your energy, and the vid was very informative. I recently returned to film so I'm trying to find my fave. I'll mos def give this a try one day. Keep em coming! Subbed.... ✌🏾🤣
Can you please tell me the name of the photographic film that was used by Margaret Bourke-White in her cameras in her entire career ? I love her style and I want to achieve her look.
99 percent sure they just do what Cinestill used to do and manually remove the remjet from Vision3 on a smaller scale ... I don't think they get a master roll. I think Reto probably is basically Cinestill from the first years, before their partnership with Eastman expanded. So yes, it's basically Cinestill. Just kind of like a retro version of it? ha. My only gripe with the Amber film is that it's 27 frames but usually priced the same as Cinestill. Works during shortages, but kinda bugs me at other times. Still, 500T/800T and 250D/400D are all just phenomenal and ultra-versatile film stocks. If something gets people to buy film and shoot it, I'm pretty much all for it. :)
This is exactly what I believe they are doing. They can't afford to buy a master roll from Eastman without remjet. Anyone can buy a bunch of big rolls from them though, remove the remjet, and respool it. And if it is color film and it has been produced in the last 5 years, it came from NY originally. I'd love to see a vid on some studio portraits in Orto.
Cinistill,s founders are two brothers who bought and repackaged Kodak film. Originally they DID remove the ramjet from their first bulk purchases.... These films were DIRTY!! I mean REALLY DIRTY!!! I'm not sure what their purchasing agreement with Kodak is now...... But they wouldn't still be here if they had kept up their ramjet removal process!! 10/10 for your research results 🙂
In the early days of Cinestill, i'm pretty sure they did take off the remjet layer themselves with some sort of chemical process. There is a lot of people who had issues in the early days of Cinestill, and this was the excuse they gave. If this is true, it is possible that Amber is doing the same with Vison3 250D stock.
I shoot a lot of 250D with the remjet still on it, and I'm pretty sure this is 250D.
It's my go to film, because of price/quality wise, its the best for my style. I'm pretty sure this is the look you get when shooting it at 400. I normally shoot it at 200, and sometimes expose for the shadows when I'm after a certain look, and it still delivers.
When developing, I try to pull it very slightly, in my experience this gives the best results paired with my shooting style.
I'm not surprised you can shoot this at 400, it feels like the most "advanced" film (next to 500t) I've ever shot, because of the enormous exposure latitude, and it's resistance against highlight blowouts. I'm not sure if the removal of the remjet layer before that changes anything to that.
Last year I shot 2 rolls of this film, so it appears that the DX code is now adhered already on the film and no DX sticker was needed. Some photos looked good on it and some had some weird color shifts to it. Regardless, still a fun film to shoot.
To answer your question on whether Reto is getting master rolls from Kodak, I doubt it because if you look at the edge coding near the perforations of the Amber film, it has the Eastman name on it so my assumption is they buy the movie film and remove the layer themselves. As for Cinestill, they did this when they started but recently, their films have their own edge coating which essentially means Cinestill has had to have their own film slitting and packaging machines. Maybe Reto will get to this point eventually
I haven't shot with a lot of cinestill color film, more because the original cine stock is like half the cost and I usually prefer not having halation. with a little bit of extra work (no more than with standard ECN-2) I process my ECN-2 film in C-41 chemistry at home with a washing soda + baking soda prewash to remove the remjet. but definitely those who send off their film should not send anything with the remjet unless the lab does ECN-2.
I can’t wait to receive my roll of Amber D400.
I could tell just from the tiny pixelated thumbnail of this video that it's Vision3 250D with remjet removed
I think you hit the nail on the head. There are at least 3 brands that seems to sell this same stock (Reflx Labs, Cinestill, and Reformed Film Lab) with more on the way. I know my local lab is trying to get the same stuff as their own house brand.
Reflx Labs offers the 400D and 800T for $13USD and the Double X for $8 USD. It takes 2 full weeks to arrive but well worth it if ordering in bulk. Great pics and great video!
Oh dang I gotta try the reflex labs one, that is the lowest price I've seen! Do you know if it's 27 or 36 exposures?
@@YvonneHansonPhotography, 36! Although for 800t expect the first few to have light leaks. I don't mind them myself.
@@dynamotv yeah, i always appreciate the light leaks when they don't compromise the image over all- can't complain about a lil extra colour here and there
@@YvonneHansonPhotography, yeah. I always consider the first few frames of 800t as throwaways.
I'll still shoot with intention but if it's a oro shoot, I'll try and get the first 5 out quickly before the serious stuff :)
Thank you for posting unedited & also edited photos side by side. Many new film photographers see an image & want to get ‘look,’ but this is important because often images need editing. This helps.
I'm glad it helps! I don't want to give people a false impression of how good the film is- unedited shots can only get you so far!
Cool video, I was a bit curious how Amber operates, thanks for shining some light on it!
Removing the remjet layer prior to shooting a roll of film is tough but not impossible, there's a guy in my city who's doing it himself on a pretty small scale, so I guess copying what Amber does can be done.
Very nice results also really enjoyed the part you try to investigate where does this come from.
I would like to add a point to your research... just check the info on the negative border and the perfuration and compare both. I believe Cinestill started just like Ember/vibe and others with some kind of process to wash the remjet off but like you said now it seems like they are getting custom ordered directly from Kodak.
I like that you show both edited and unedited versions of the shot. I don't edit my film shots yet bc I want to see how they look naturally. Although, I'm not sure how much I screw them up while scanning. So at some point I will edit my shots. I love your energy, and the vid was very informative. I recently returned to film so I'm trying to find my fave. I'll mos def give this a try one day. Keep em coming! Subbed.... ✌🏾🤣
Can you please tell me the name of the photographic film that was used by Margaret Bourke-White in her cameras in her entire career ? I love her style and I want to achieve her look.
Silbersalz is a 35mm stock that keeps the remjet and ECN process. Looks gorgeous, check it out!
Woah! I will check it out! That sounds really neat!
Great video, very informative. I haven't shot with a cinestill or colour shift film yet, but it looks fun
It is fun! I'm glad you're watching some vids about it to prepare, because it's absolutely worth shooting
99 percent sure they just do what Cinestill used to do and manually remove the remjet from Vision3 on a smaller scale ... I don't think they get a master roll. I think Reto probably is basically Cinestill from the first years, before their partnership with Eastman expanded. So yes, it's basically Cinestill. Just kind of like a retro version of it? ha. My only gripe with the Amber film is that it's 27 frames but usually priced the same as Cinestill. Works during shortages, but kinda bugs me at other times. Still, 500T/800T and 250D/400D are all just phenomenal and ultra-versatile film stocks. If something gets people to buy film and shoot it, I'm pretty much all for it. :)
This is exactly what I believe they are doing. They can't afford to buy a master roll from Eastman without remjet. Anyone can buy a bunch of big rolls from them though, remove the remjet, and respool it. And if it is color film and it has been produced in the last 5 years, it came from NY originally. I'd love to see a vid on some studio portraits in Orto.
What camera was used for this?
Nikon F-801s!
Cinistill,s founders are two brothers who bought and repackaged Kodak film. Originally they DID remove the ramjet from their first bulk purchases.... These films were DIRTY!! I mean REALLY DIRTY!!! I'm not sure what their purchasing agreement with Kodak is now...... But they wouldn't still be here if they had kept up their ramjet removal process!!
10/10 for your research results 🙂
Thank you for watching, and thank you for the info! I kinda want to try and find an OG roll of cinestill now...that sounds like an interesting stock!!