TOPICS::: 2:38 !llmind explains how he has set up multiple revenue streams as a producer 4:50 Statik Selektah on how he generates income as a DJ and producer 6:11 Why selling beats isn't enough to make a living these days 6:44 Why producers don't receive large upfront fees anymore 12:38 Why up and coming producers shouldn't rely on mechanical royalties and should try to be paid upfront 15:58 Statik explains the complicated business side of sampling 18:11 Why samples can be so expensive to use 19:42 !llmind on why producers shouldn't only source samples from the internet 29:12 How streaming has changed how we calculate sales 33:17 Rob explains how the medium through which we deliver music changes how the music is made 35:09 Why !llmind collaborates with other producers even if it means splitting the publishing
Genius - Y’all should do “unknown hype producer edition” series . Where you find a producer with low followers but makes amazing beats and has a great image . Shit’d be dope
Ayy your personality is lit 🔥💯. Ya whoever is scrolling through the comments I hope you have a phenomenal day. Get ya bread and all the crumbs too. Stack and act broke 😤🤟🏾🤟🏾😤.
For real. I'm tired of hearing "will you work for free?" from artists. I'm trying to build with other musicians but it's like most artists don't want to invest in themselves and they end up trying to devalue all the hard work I put in as a producer.
The Music industry is probably the biggest unregulated industries in the world which is dope because anyone can become a millionaire on paper but who's there to hold these huge companies accountable
Why can I only every find videos telling producers how to get there money, but none telling independent artists how to pay their producers royalty and when.
Rob, unfortunately the producer community isn't THAT big so these topics wont get as many views as say, covering a controversial topic but please keep creating producer content, we need it and its valued, thanks for the interview and do more for us producer we love it !
Yikes... at 8:56 -- this could confuse people because I believe Rob just misspoke and said "publishing royalties" instead of "royalties from the sale of the master," i.e. traditional album sales/single sales.. You don't have to recoup your advance in order to receive "publishing royalties" unless you signed a publishing deal. But if you're just selling a beat to a label, you start collecting the mechanicals, microsynchs and the performance royalties right away, theoretically.
Sometimes it seems like it's gonna be a shady rocky road ahead of me hearing this but I know it's not gonna be easy but it's like damn I only wanna make beats and it's not all about profit. But I want fruits of my labor.
I’ve learned over the years that money/success/fruits/profits go hand-in-hand with Greatness! Simply strive for absolute excellence and work on being the greatest producer beat maker musician you can possibly be and your talent will give you leverage. You get 50%! Simple as that! If for some reason people don’t want to pay you 1/2, then you automatically know they are shady and would see you broke while they get rich. It’s truly that simple!
@nPlatin with this mindset you are blocking your own success, you should be a realist but also stay optimistic and yes be productive AF every day of the month if you really want to make it
If ya'll are not talking real numbers then wtf are we doing! Get some producers that are not scared to talk real numbers . We want to know what type of money out there from producers that are already established ....
if you make beats for free and are building with the artists just put them out for free on Stem etc and split the master,s register on BMI/Ascap etc. It's not hard and if the artist acts weird for asking for half of the song and they aint paying for beats they're the type to develop that entitlement habit and are likely not gonna look out for you in the end. They need us and it should be split down the middle. For major labels, make sure you get your points, pub and the advance, most of all LAWYER UP!
23:40 I don't think unreleased music is wasted man. You've successfully created something. As long as you manifest your feeling in the music it doesn't matter if you're the only one(s) to hear it.
To be honest no one is getting paid from streaming properly that includes artist , producers , engineers etc..... 1500 streams is 1 album sale that’s the first problem there. Then artist aren’t even getting 20 cent per dollar on streams. That’s why a billion stream only equals a million dollars basically. This stream shit is fucked up
We need another ep. 2 of these 2 producers or different producers giving game, knowledge & gems to help other producers understand whats going and keep each other informed to create a formula for the whole thing that !llmind spoke about.
IllMind is a dope homie ^_^ Met him last week from my friend inviting me to go see him, and I barely knew much about him. Definitely has Nice Producer skills, especially when it comes to connecting with the Artist.
static said if you think you can just sell beats and make a living your buggin, but how is that the case? if you make $100 a day thats $36,500 before taxes and stuff but collect all those emails have a mailing list and be smart and continue to grow and you could just sell beats for a living
Just selling beats don't cut it, don't get me wrong selling beats make money . The BIGGER pay is in Tv, Films and game developers that has the budget to spend. This is the BEST money pipe line a producers should focus on. Just 1 good film or TV show paid 10k or more . BUT please realize when you submit your copyrights the process will take 7 months to get your certificate of registration. You need this to prove you owe 200% rights to your music. (100% sound recording and 100% publishing) - blackbeatopia.com
Feels like these dudes out here tryin to scare cats from getting in the game. Like protect your bag an all but if it was that hard no one would do it...
for me its very simple. you either pay for the beat up front Or if you don’t have the money Just give the producer a piece of publishing, the percentage is negotiable. Just make sure the producer is compensated in some way.
@@RobFrank22 not for everyone unfortunately. when youre starting out, dont expect 50% out the gate unless the artist really fucks with you. its all about building relationships. this producer game is about show and prove. worry about getting your art out there and proving to people you can produce quality, thats why i said the percentage is negotiable. if kendrick used a my beat today and said youre only getting 10%, i wouldn't be angry at all.
I’d say get it up front for the most part because it’s unlikely that all or even most of your dealings will be with major placements. I’d say you should lease most everything and leave your exclusives unavailable unless it’s a placement. Getting even half the publishing off a record won’t mean anything for most of the records you’d wind up doing.
Yeah it's tough but I need more knowledge on how I can overcome that. From my First to my Last song has to be "serious" music. Yeah I can have fun with the shits but it has to be good quality soundings music with a great beat and great lyrics and that's all Im trying to do. And I have writings for months and can freestyle. Mann 💡💡
Soon as he said only 10% of records are on the internet I took down my turntable and hooked it up to my computer. Now I have to go on a safari to a record store.
Producers or just Beat Makers should be getting paid more, because it would not be a song with out the music peariod, They should start a producer union or something,
The "You Never Know" attitude in music is so dumb. Seriously only 1 and a million get some fluke fame and wealth. It takes time. 10 years plus to get to establishing actual revenue streams. If you bank on chance the only place you'll end up is with nothing.
I knew to the producer side of things so these buds been helping me understand the business a lil better but the turnaround on producers getting paid is insane I'm old skool you pay for the service you want I'm like a artist who's signed wanta my beats the artist needs to pay me up front sense they got the advance from the label then you go back and chase the lable for your money I shouldn't have to do that and to here you ain't getting paid until months later for stuff that's crazy smh
Exactly! Streaming services like Tidal and Apple Music are the only options for getting paid, at least fairly. I really don't know why people don't f** support them more rather any other option. Spotify and RUclips claim that they are the saviors of the industry, but the truth says otherwise: they're just IT companies getting rich upon artists. That's why I'm not on Spotify Premium anymore. Just got Tidal this week and it's been great. Spread the world people!
Ive made over 6k from royalties in the last 2 years, and damn was it hard just to hit this amount. Network, and diversify the way you collect on your music. Think of your songs as real estate, people stop by rent it for 30 seconds, and you get paid. Get songs out, volume can help right now with these terrible payouts, later on you'll have more material making you more as payout rates increase.
Sooo good! I don't produce but am insanely grateful for you to have put this together. Your interview skills are some of the best I've seen. Thank you thank you thank you!!
@@rickysnowconez4582 I'm not disputing that. Just wanted to make a point. Further more, most of Kanye's beats are sampled to the 10th power. They are dope though
This has opened my eyes a lot into the world of beat making and producers in general. This motivates me more to start uploading my beats and building a career off of it.
Wow! I’ve been sleeping on some things. Mad props to the host and the guest artists/producers on offering this educational and valuable information. I really appreciate it. Thank you!
The key thing they said in the interview is the artists looked out for the producers as well as the artist that were sampled and made sure they got hooked up. Simple concept@ Take care of your people and make sure everyone eats. Much love for this interview!! Get MADLIB up in here! Get Danger Mouse in here!
HEY GENIUS I KNOW U THINK THERE ARE ONLY HIP HOP PRODUCERS BUT THATS NOT TRUE, THE EDM PRODUCERS ARE MUCH MORE ADVANCED AND YOU NEED TO INTERVIEW THEM AND GET DECONSTRUCTIONS. THANK U
@@rabissenseicomprende7994 song structure is much more complex, and sound design is way more advanced. plus building and releasing tension is an advanced technique thats takes time to master. the best edm producers are really good
TOPICS:::
2:38 !llmind explains how he has set up multiple revenue streams as a producer
4:50 Statik Selektah on how he generates income as a DJ and producer
6:11 Why selling beats isn't enough to make a living these days
6:44 Why producers don't receive large upfront fees anymore
12:38 Why up and coming producers shouldn't rely on mechanical royalties and should try to be paid upfront
15:58 Statik explains the complicated business side of sampling
18:11 Why samples can be so expensive to use
19:42 !llmind on why producers shouldn't only source samples from the internet
29:12 How streaming has changed how we calculate sales
33:17 Rob explains how the medium through which we deliver music changes how the music is made
35:09 Why !llmind collaborates with other producers even if it means splitting the publishing
ay that's what's up
Genius Dap👊🏽🎶
Thanks man..! ✊🏾
Genius - Y’all should do “unknown hype producer edition” series . Where you find a producer with low followers but makes amazing beats and has a great image . Shit’d be dope
Ayy your personality is lit 🔥💯. Ya whoever is scrolling through the comments I hope you have a phenomenal day. Get ya bread and all the crumbs too. Stack and act broke 😤🤟🏾🤟🏾😤.
A union is needed. This is BS, how you the first one to start the product and then the last to get paid if you even get paid.
This comment is gold
I've never thought of it like that I literally couldn't scroll past without telling you
its unreal right
For real. I'm tired of hearing "will you work for free?" from artists. I'm trying to build with other musicians but it's like most artists don't want to invest in themselves and they end up trying to devalue all the hard work I put in as a producer.
agreed
The Music industry is probably the biggest unregulated industries in the world which is dope because anyone can become a millionaire on paper but who's there to hold these huge companies accountable
Catch 22.. 😅
This is great!!! Thanks 🙏 #Genius
Loved this
This is a good fucking interview
Why can I only every find videos telling producers how to get there money, but none telling independent artists how to pay their producers royalty and when.
Where is The Alchemist? One of the best Beatmakers
Right
Rob, unfortunately the producer community isn't THAT big so these topics wont get as many views as say, covering a controversial topic but please keep creating producer content, we need it and its valued, thanks for the interview and do more for us producer we love it !
Big 1400 !!
Ain't that big but if producers can all come together it would be huge
The producer community toxic sometimes, that's the main problem we don't support each other
It is actually pretty big these days. Big enough for these issues to come up.
Hey I know you
Yikes... at 8:56 -- this could confuse people because I believe Rob just misspoke and said "publishing royalties" instead of "royalties from the sale of the master," i.e. traditional album sales/single sales.. You don't have to recoup your advance in order to receive "publishing royalties" unless you signed a publishing deal. But if you're just selling a beat to a label, you start collecting the mechanicals, microsynchs and the performance royalties right away, theoretically.
I heard the same thing and was a little like "that seems extra". Good catch.
yeah they was confused me too a bit with that, thank for clearing up that DJP1
Yep I thought that sounded strange
DJ Pain 1 thanks 💯💯💯
Nice catch Pain. Just watched this and thought the same thing - came to the comments to see if I was mistaken. Appreciate the clarification!
“You guys getting paid?”
Sometimes it seems like it's gonna be a shady rocky road ahead of me hearing this but I know it's not gonna be easy but it's like damn I only wanna make beats and it's not all about profit. But I want fruits of my labor.
Same g
Facts bro I’m aspiring and I feel the same
I’ve learned over the years that money/success/fruits/profits go hand-in-hand with Greatness! Simply strive for absolute excellence and work on being the greatest producer beat maker musician you can possibly be and your talent will give you leverage. You get 50%! Simple as that! If for some reason people don’t want to pay you 1/2, then you automatically know they are shady and would see you broke while they get rich. It’s truly that simple!
Salute Rob Markman, Statik and Illmind 🙏 Great convo, fellas.
Womp womp
@nPlatin well if you would work hard enough you would not be making this stupid comment
@nPlatin with this mindset you are blocking your own success, you should be a realist but also stay optimistic and yes be productive AF every day of the month if you really want to make it
Yeah. 2 amazing producers.
TRAKTRAIN>Airbit>beatstars
Playing producers like this is the biggest disrespect in the music industry. You want a product you pay for it before you walk away. PERIOD!
If ya'll are not talking real numbers then wtf are we doing! Get some producers that are not scared to talk real numbers . We want to know what type of money out there from producers that are already established ....
if you make beats for free and are building with the artists just put them out for free on Stem etc and split the master,s register on BMI/Ascap etc. It's not hard and if the artist acts weird for asking for half of the song and they aint paying for beats they're the type to develop that entitlement habit and are likely not gonna look out for you in the end. They need us and it should be split down the middle. For major labels, make sure you get your points, pub and the advance, most of all LAWYER UP!
Man I need knowledge
I don't put free on my titles, if ppl want beats they need to buy them period
It’s crazy how much these guys help out the producer community. Salute to y’all 🙏🏼
Velo Beats fax
🙏🏾
blapchat is gold
23:40 I don't think unreleased music is wasted man. You've successfully created something. As long as you manifest your feeling in the music it doesn't matter if you're the only one(s) to hear it.
He means wasted from a financial standpoint
Truth
Yeah alright lemme know when you get that check lmao
To be honest no one is getting paid from streaming properly that includes artist , producers , engineers etc..... 1500 streams is 1 album sale that’s the first problem there. Then artist aren’t even getting 20 cent per dollar on streams. That’s why a billion stream only equals a million dollars basically. This stream shit is fucked up
Shoutout to Static, but I be clearing my throat when he start talking.
D Gayle 😂😂😂
We need another ep. 2 of these 2 producers or different producers giving game, knowledge & gems to help other producers understand whats going and keep each other informed to create a formula for the whole thing that !llmind spoke about.
IllMind is a dope homie ^_^ Met him last week from my friend inviting me to go see him, and I barely knew much about him. Definitely has Nice Producer skills, especially when it comes to connecting with the Artist.
💣
Justin Omoi why did you fall off???
Amma start sellin' cassettes again on da corner
static said if you think you can just sell beats and make a living your buggin, but how is that the case? if you make $100 a day thats $36,500 before taxes and stuff but collect all those emails have a mailing list and be smart and continue to grow and you could just sell beats for a living
Just selling beats don't cut it, don't get me wrong selling beats make money . The BIGGER pay is in Tv, Films and game developers that has the budget to spend. This is the BEST money pipe line a producers should focus on. Just 1 good film or TV show paid 10k or more . BUT please realize when you submit your copyrights the process will take 7 months to get your certificate of registration. You need this to prove you owe 200% rights to your music. (100% sound recording and 100% publishing) - blackbeatopia.com
To make money in Long Term as a producer all you need to do is find artists & network with them..
This is the truth if you want to make money in next 5+ years
Hell yeah bro.. Random traffic sales are not that long.. You have to maintain the artist..
Music is not a product.. Its a feel cs always artists need to feel your music constantly as a producer..
For real broo.. best advice..
Facts
The “Vinyl is selling more than CD’s right now” really surprised me
producers, think of yourselves as artists, move as an artist, then you’ll get paid.
rob markman is for the culture...in a way that most people will never understand...
They don't get money nowadays they just get weird comments like the stuff below
Feels like these dudes out here tryin to scare cats from getting in the game. Like protect your bag an all but if it was that hard no one would do it...
D w2 😂
for me its very simple.
you either pay for the beat up front
Or if you don’t have the money
Just give the producer a piece of publishing, the percentage is negotiable.
Just make sure the producer is compensated in some way.
50%
@@RobFrank22 not for everyone unfortunately. when youre starting out, dont expect 50% out the gate unless the artist really fucks with you.
its all about building relationships. this producer game is about show and prove. worry about getting your art out there and proving to people you can produce quality, thats why i said the percentage is negotiable. if kendrick used a my beat today and said youre only getting 10%, i wouldn't be angry at all.
Great fuckin advice now where there producers I need to build with
I’d say get it up front for the most part because it’s unlikely that all or even most of your dealings will be with major placements. I’d say you should lease most everything and leave your exclusives unavailable unless it’s a placement. Getting even half the publishing off a record won’t mean anything for most of the records you’d wind up doing.
Very useful would love to see this again with some different producers to hear their views as well
Yo this ones gold for all us producers hustling out here! Genius always keepin it real 💯
Yeah it's tough but I need more knowledge on how I can overcome that. From my First to my Last song has to be "serious" music. Yeah I can have fun with the shits but it has to be good quality soundings music with a great beat and great lyrics and that's all Im trying to do. And I have writings for months and can freestyle. Mann 💡💡
The first 5 seconds I press liked
Soon as he said only 10% of records are on the internet I took down my turntable and hooked it up to my computer. Now I have to go on a safari to a record store.
Good Producergrind inspired convo
Dope interview fellas! Love this, very informative. Appreciate y’all 🙏🏾🙏🏾 Salute!
Producers or just Beat Makers should be getting paid more, because it would not be a song with out the music peariod, They should start a producer union or something,
Crazy how much Statik and Just Blaze sound alike
Big ups to !llmind and Statik... droppin' gems!!
Find like minded individuals to grow and build together!
Where they at though. All email me
So all y'all just said "fuck CDs" I guess.... it's a evil world we live in
Dope Interview!!!
This is such great education for any aspiring producers like myself 💯
The "You Never Know" attitude in music is so dumb. Seriously only 1 and a million get some fluke fame and wealth. It takes time. 10 years plus to get to establishing actual revenue streams. If you bank on chance the only place you'll end up is with nothing.
Should have invited @taztaylor @internetmoney
No
I knew to the producer side of things so these buds been helping me understand the business a lil better but the turnaround on producers getting paid is insane I'm old skool you pay for the service you want I'm like a artist who's signed wanta my beats the artist needs to pay me up front sense they got the advance from the label then you go back and chase the lable for your money I shouldn't have to do that and to here you ain't getting paid until months later for stuff that's crazy smh
Exactly! Streaming services like Tidal and Apple Music are the only options for getting paid, at least fairly. I really don't know why people don't f** support them more rather any other option. Spotify and RUclips claim that they are the saviors of the industry, but the truth says otherwise: they're just IT companies getting rich upon artists. That's why I'm not on Spotify Premium anymore. Just got Tidal this week and it's been great. Spread the world people!
Ian Barcelos Tidal doesn’t pay indie artist. Apple does.
Not today Wayno
THIS INTERVIEW IS LIFE
Jay-Z's "Dig A Hole" by static selekta one of the hardest beats I ever heard⚡🔥🔥🔥
What album is that on?
@@jimflauntt683 if im not mistaken, it's on a Static Selekta album or some other dj's compilation album. I dont remember the exact name of it though:/
Jay z kingdom come
On the flip side. W streaming U don’t need a radio hit “like in the past” to become successful. U could develop a fan base and do it ur own way.
Thank you, very insightful eye learned alot as an artist.
is it just me or does that one guy sound like homeboy from seinfeld?
Newman...😳
Jerry...😳
Metro booming want some more...
Niqqa
Short answer, we dont
thank you for making me not waste my time
XANIETY 69 just tryna please the ppl chief 🤝
Exactly
Or release your own music
This is the information the people need!!!!!
Ive made over 6k from royalties in the last 2 years, and damn was it hard just to hit this amount. Network, and diversify the way you collect on your music. Think of your songs as real estate, people stop by rent it for 30 seconds, and you get paid. Get songs out, volume can help right now with these terrible payouts, later on you'll have more material making you more as payout rates increase.
Sooo good! I don't produce but am insanely grateful for you to have put this together. Your interview skills are some of the best I've seen. Thank you thank you thank you!!
That was a dope interview 👌
Blapkits all day!!! Shout out to !llmind! Statik!
What’s the best way to promote a independent mixtape that you write and self produced?
I need to know this too
34:40 I said the same shyt when I look at the credits of a Kanye song and I'm blown away like wtf!!?! It took 15 people to write this shyt??!
Kanye Makes bangers dude
@@rickysnowconez4582 I'm not disputing that. Just wanted to make a point. Further more, most of Kanye's beats are sampled to the 10th power. They are dope though
Jeez. That set is gorgeous. 👌🏽
I enjoyed every second of the discussion, i hope Genius can do more like these
Thnx this is exactly what i needed. keep up the good work!
It's hard fam. The labels don't pay you at all 😂
Where can I find the podcast? Someone got a link
Great interview. Excellent content and conversation with both of these intelligent brothers and amazing men.
10% of vinyls that you can sample are on the internet, 10% FUCKING PERCENT!!!
This has opened my eyes a lot into the world of beat making and producers in general. This motivates me more to start uploading my beats and building a career off of it.
If you make hmu
This is a great interview and there is a lot of great information shared. Thank you!
i always appreciate these segments
You a real one rob always been
I literally had to stop watching because of dudes flem. Like wtf. That’s nasty af
“Placements aren’t even the biggest revenue stream” *goes on to talk about placements for 20 minutes *
Thank you guys for this interview 💯🙏🏻
Don’t nobody want them statik selektah drum kits. Them shits sound powdery as fuhh
Wow! I’ve been sleeping on some things.
Mad props to the host and the guest artists/producers on offering this educational and valuable information.
I really appreciate it. Thank you!
Wow, who knew digital sound affects required so much.
Should we producers be expecting another raise in the near future?
Where do I find sites that help u find placements ? Like taxi
33:00 ill explains every upcoming producers struggle
Statik is my guy! Mouth breather though
That's Boston for u.. lol #djrtnyc
Statik story is about Joey BadAss BTW. Rockstar
They sell samples
genius yaw the truth for supporting producers
Great discussion, slowly we are becoming a focal point on the business side and public eye. Times will soon change.
dat boy stati
great interview, thank yall for this
Love this interview
The key thing they said in the interview is the artists looked out for the producers as well as the artist that were sampled and made sure they got hooked up. Simple concept@ Take care of your people and make sure everyone eats. Much love for this interview!! Get MADLIB up in here! Get Danger Mouse in here!
Alchemist. Cookin soul
thank you for this interview!
Some of these producers still have to keep their day jobs or hustles.
Jesus what was that beat at the start of the video.
You can make money but how much money can you makebis the question
HEY GENIUS I KNOW U THINK THERE ARE ONLY HIP HOP PRODUCERS BUT THATS NOT TRUE, THE EDM PRODUCERS ARE MUCH MORE ADVANCED AND YOU NEED TO INTERVIEW THEM AND GET DECONSTRUCTIONS. THANK U
Advanced in what way
@@rabissenseicomprende7994 song structure is much more complex, and sound design is way more advanced. plus building and releasing tension is an advanced technique thats takes time to master. the best edm producers are really good
Statik Selektah look like a booky in a Scorsese movie
really enjoyed this! MORE MORE MORE!