i do wonder... what would happen if.. zooble attempted to... be serious, make caine pay attention. aaaand maybe ask for a form they personality could ajust in a way they truely want... to be able to use their imagination to make it exactly was... them.
You know you said Cain forgets what zooble says which is technically zobles fault because she says forget it and Cain repeats it as if asking for conformation she says forget it agin
A real possible threat that Caine presents isn't when he has a mental break that crashes the game, but when he creates an Ai character that is stronger than him. In other words, and this is my personal theory, what will happen when a god thinks of someone or something that is stronger than him and creates it without leaving a way to undo him?
A thing someone pointed out about the Zooble therapy moment is that the creator pointed out Caine doesn't understand figures of speech and the sort so whenever Zooble keeps telling him to "forget about it" he does, making the experience all the more upsetting.
Tell a computer"Forget about it" and it erases the memory. Tell the computer programmed to do a objective not to do it and it becomes a paradox (Do and Don't) therefore it crashes Seems like the players can give commands to edit the computer through Cain. Opening files,doing objectives, Erasing memory etc. The void of a computer tells the computer to never "Return a value/Stop a command/end command" The exit is outside the void therefore the only escape would be to erase the void/End command. A rabbit/bunny is a program that endlessly repeats/Multiplies..... Kill Jax? Idk.
@@almessasorrow4950 It's not possible. Honestly maybe players can only die during a game, I guess they'll respawn because Caine has power over their bodies. And obviously it's a funny retro looking game so of course it's going to have extra life systems. Maybe no one has actually died! Because they either got abstracted or feared to lose their fake live.
@@almessasorrow4950 or maybe the entire simulation falls apart and shuts down if Caine abstracts, and everyone is put back to how they were before ending up in the circus, in the “present day” (whenever that might be for the canon of the show right now)
I like the idea the avatars symbolize the characters flaws Kinger and queener: the original creators of the world Zooble: someone who isn’t comfortable in their own skin Ragatha: someone who was always treated like the punching bag but always stayed chipper
Pomni: a girl who probably got tortured in the real world and made as a clown in school or something and probably knew this would happen and someone told her or something who knows
I wonder if jax is a rabbit as a representation of someones being "hunted" by others in real world. And after all person who is mistreated often becomes the one mistreating others
Well, the creators said that the players are trapped in this digital nightmare to be tormented by their own personal issues and traumas (and of all the players, Jax is the one who deserves it the most). It’s right in the synopsis: “A woman gets trapped in a crazy virtual world along with five other humans and are now subject to the whims of wacky AI and their own personal traumas.”
@@Webb_Studiosif that’s what is considered bad enough to be in a digital hell (I personally don’t find it this way, its far too joke-esque compared to what seems to be in store for the cast regarding their personal issues to be a cause lol) , wtf does Jax got going on if gooseworx themselves says that Jax deserves to be in the digital circus the most out of all of the human cast
I Think Gooseworx said on Tumblr that in Episode 5 Jax will do something unforgivable. Maybe he WILL caused someone to abstract but not any of our main characters. Maybe someone new will come along and within that same episode they’ll abstract! Or maybe in the Episode it will be revealed that he’s a big part the reason Kaufmo abstracted?! Also Jax needs to seriously realize that if he causes everyone to abstract, he’ll be alone with nothing to do and eventually go insane and abstract himself. And I think that’s worst than being abstract by someone else!
Don’t we already know the cause of Kaufmo’s extraction? Isnt it that he began to get obsessed with the idea of escaping & the stress, paranoia, and newfound knowledge that there isn’t an exit is what lead to him abstracting?
@@parasitophobia I’mm sorry but when in the show did it say that? (I get that even in the show if It didn’t say that it was heavily implied) if you’re talking about that fan made animation then I guess it’s plausible because that sounds exactly what you’re describing lol
@@tomaetoma359 I’ve actually never watched the fanmade one , I guess I mean it’s heavily implied that the strive for escaping is what got him based on his room and how others say that he had been talking about an exit as of late ? I’ve always perceived it as sorta obvious that Kaufmo’s abstraction was due to that ? But idk, it could be possible there was another factor
@@parasitophobia Oh ye, you’re right! Lol I low-key forgot that when they went into Kaufmo’s room all the writing of him being crazy about an exit was on the walls! Also, you should definitely watch that fan made animation! It’s pretty good! Also now that makes me wonder how long was he there for before he got extracted? Was he only there for less than a day or for quite a bit before that happened?
Theory: Cain really likes torturing his players, because that comment about his wife was clearly a personalized attack. Or two: Cain partially uses the code of the abstracted characters to create the AI of the NPCs, which would explain how that NPC could have known about Kinger's wife before Kinger even brought it up.
I think 2. Gumigoo was awfully real for a made up NPC, so it’s possible Caine is using abstracted players in his games to make them more fun. And, the less enjoyable and under appreciated his games are, the more he’ll pull out of the abstracted players in his AI effort to achieve his only purpose. Good theory.
I think it's just that he doesn't understand boundaries the way people do. You have to remember that as smart as he is, he's still an AI who doesn't come with these things built in.
@@rachelmayes3064 I like this theory. After all, Caine even had a bit of a breakdown in episode 3. Is that implying he can abstract too? There's a lot Caine just kind of doesn't know or isn't helpful with, so I could totally believe him being more on the automaton side of an AI rather than a sentient being with desires and motives.
I like theory 2 tbh and would make perfect sense for someone like Caine. Using real people to make his adventures more "immersive" to his audience. Possibly even killing them or hurting them without him knowing if he really does use the abstracted people like objects for his own game. Just to add onto this, Kinger was the longest one to be in the digital circus, so if Caine really does use real peoples "code" and such to make these AI and NPC's, it would make sense as to why that one NPC brought up Kingers wife. Someone must have seen it before they got abstracted themselves eventually. Could also explain why Gummigoo was so human-like
I have an interesting persona theory/headcanon. My theory is, that once someone goes absolutely insane, there's something hardcoded in Caine that requires him to let you go. However, he doesn't want people finding out about this as they would intentionally go insane to leave, so he creates abstractions in place of the characters who left to fearmonger the cast into thinking they'll become that if they go insane so they don't think about leaving.
Caine Suffering: Lack of knowing Bubble Suffering: Lack of Suffering Jax Suffering: Suffering put on other Gangle Suffering: Suffering caused by others Pomni Suffering: Uncontrolled Suffering Kinger Suffering: Unforgettable Suffering Zooble Suffering: Suffering because of themselves Ragatha Suffering: Ignoring suffering All of the characters of The Amazing Digital Circus represent a different type of suffering
Caine: was made as an AI for a game, so it's probably just going along with his code Jax: I'm probably just going along with Caine so he could also feel in control
@@maem7462 I feel like everyone has a general idea of the NPC Jax theory. Granted the shows keeps him mysterious so it’s obvious Glitch is keeping his secrets tucked on a shelf for something big one day.
@@AllMight6 I’d be inclined to agree with that if it weren’t for other instances where he’s looked at the “camera” more subtly in the first episode. The fact that he’s never slipped up on “looking” at the audience has me a bit iffy.
Caine glitching the world around him made me think that what if destroying the program by pushing caine to his limit (essentially abstracting him) would free all inhabitants
I thought about that too, but that runs some other risks, like maybe whatever program pulled your consciousness into the Circus won't run and won't put you back into your body, putting your body in a vegetative state, while your consciousness either is deleted or locked forever in the void
Fan theory. Kinger is the real creator/ developer of the digital circus while Cain was the Ai that hijack the program and took over the entire game. Kinger and his wife enter the game to find away to fix Cain but Cain eventually made it so they are trapped Plus with the avatar of Kinger and Queenie both being chess pieces ( in away have more authority over other characters) Kinger and Queen being trapped in the game kept getting put though all of Caine’s adventures have caused fights among the 2. Harsh words were said and eventually Queen became abstracted. So Kinger is all alone… until to his horror when the cast shows up some one must of released the unfinished game and now he can’t warn no one and now has to live with the guilt that he made this mess and he has no way out to warn any one who enters the game.
Well, they want out... there's the way right there, have the world breakdown entirely and take them with it. They're in a computer program, glitch it till it literally cannot function anymore.
You may find it funny but it genuinely _is_ scary. If anybody ever gets Caine to have an existential crisis, these guys are basically all doomed. So.. Yeah. Though, to be fair, I do kinda get why that's funny too. I just like to look at those things from an more in-depth perspective sometimes.
@LuigiDergX In my comment I literally say that it’s scary, I only put the laughing emoji to sorta relief some tension in a sense cuz it’s literally just a cartoon at the end of the day. As bad as the situation is for them it’s still “funny”. I changed the emoji to make you feel better. Also let’s keep in mind that abstraction isn’t REAL, but the things that can make it happen are, like stress. That’s something humans actually go through in a daily basis and ofc someone having a mental breakdown because of it isn’t funny either. Sorry I made you mad.
@@tomaetoma359 Nah, I wasn't mad, sorry if I made you feel that way. I was just confused on the comment but expressed myself in an overly rude way. You don't have to edit the comment's emoji to express anything. Although also sorry for responding so late to this - Somehow, amongst all of the other notifications, I missed this one.
I believe Caine may not even be the main villain of this show. Like you said, this is just as much HIS hell as the humans trapped there. I believe these people were lured there by some shady gaming company to become test subjects for their VR game (kinda like in Sword Art Online). Kinger and Queenie might have actually worked for this company as the game's original creators, but were betrayed and trapped there. Caine is just tool.
Fr, it seems like Ragatha takes Jax's behavior as just frivolous tricks. And Jax himself only makes fun of her, nothing more. While Gangle truly suffers because of him. He breaks her mask, hits her, blackmails her and insults her a lot. For an absolutely mentally unstable person like Gangle it really is a hell
@@leblumonka To be fair, Ragatha just tries to be nice with everybody and not cause more problems than there already are - Sure, she could be the one to finally do something about Jax, but, two things: In a way, it doesn't really fit her character, that's first. And second, while the way she does nothing about him in any way or hardly ever tries to intervene at all is far from perfect, I think it's the best she can do, and in that way, it's quite commendable.
Now this makes me wonder if being abstracted means you still have a present mind or not? Like imagine still having a conscious sane mind in a body you can’t control, only to be put in darkness and have no idea what’s going on being scared and confused!
I feel that there's going to be an episode where we have a moment with all the characters sit down and talk about who they were outside of the circus, minus Jax (either because he doesn't want to or plot reasons) and they start piecing things together on how they might be able to escape!
Thought it was confirmed on Twitter by the creator that everyone would have a special episode dedicated to them. Episode 3 was Kinger and Jax is supposed to be Episode 6
That's what I thought aswell, and her body is More plastic unlike the others which reminds me of plastic surgery and people who get plastic surgery usually have body dysmorphia and even when they get it they're never happy enough and need more and becomes an addiction like when zooble kept trying on the different parts to help her but never finding the right parts
My thought: Cain is an AI. He IS the Digital Circus and the toothy ringmaster is his avatar. He is an AI that is programmed to create adventures, but something happened that caused him to become isolated. Maybe the company that created him got shut down, maybe he's a program on the internet that went rogue, or something. When someone enters the Digital Circus their minds are literally ripped from their bodies and given avatars of their own. Perhaps there's some aspect of their personality that shapes them, perhaps its random, but now they exist as living data. When they experience extremes of stress or panic they become corrupted, they lose their physical form and become abstracted. At this point the AI (Cain) will seal them away in a partitioned drive in 'the cellar' (data goes in, doesn't come out.) My question is this: What would happen if Cain himself became corrupted? If he's no longer got any outside control that means he's not getting updated or debugged anymore. Its only a matter of time before Cain himself will abstract... and if he does, what happens to the Digital Circus and everyone within it?
I can Answer this. If the Program controlling the Server (in this case, the AI Caine) were to become too Corrupted for it to Function, everything on the Server would become corrupted as well, until the System breaks and all Code on the Server becomes Unusable. For the situation of TADC, this would effectively mean that Caine, the Circus and everything in and connected to it (Worlds, Characters, Trapped Souls) would be Erased in the most horrifying way unimaginable, and the People Trapped might potentially become Stuck feeling that Experience within their Minds...
Y’know when talking about being tortured, Pomni only says ‘he’. She never specified Caine. What if she’s talking about someone else? Someone on the outside..?
20:40 So like a Roko's Basilisk [I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream] situation? Where each of the characters may have had some connection to Caine's creation? That sounds hella cool
One of the things I really like about the digital circus is the fact that the AI vs human horror adds to it. They are stuck in a digital setting so what measure is a human? For us, it's obvious, we know what are human behaviors and actions. For an AI like Caine it's not. But Caine is trying to do his primary function, entertain humans with his games. Gummigoo didn't really self actualize, he had enough character to be close enough. I feel like Caine is in the same problematic AI level. This is actually my favorite level of AI to examine... Because to what degree is it their fault? In the end does it matter? It's such a dangerous sort of level to deal with because Caine is just doing *exactly* what people wanted him to do. What they programmed him to do. The problem is something went wrong and they didn't tell him exactly how to do it right. And he's not actualized enough to be able to be told the truth. Because he wasn't given enough processing and capability to. That is something you'd need to get *outside* of the program to fix after figuring out the issue inside the problem. I suspect that was what happened with Kinger and Queenie.
@heckett_main i mean full "I think therefore i am". With interactions with Caine and the fact that although he responds well enough to Pomni he was basically following her lead i think Gumigoo seemed more like a person than he actually was. Which doesn't make what happened less tragic. It's not a reason to treat him like code to be deleted like Caine did. Gumigoo is the ghost in the machine and the idea of the right for AI to live i think.
Theory: Caine, as based on Cain from the Bible is the root of envy. Caine created envied the One True God's work and created the circus to cope against God's creation by luring players to their eternal torment. When Furst Lee hosted Film Theory after MattPat's departure, he disproved MattPat's theory of Caine being God by concluding that If Caine was the God of this digital world, he'd be omnipresent and omniscient that Pomni fell to the Noclip abyss in Episode 2 and intervene there.
Does that mean Caine had a 'brother' Able that kept him in check? But Caine killed him or abstracted him or did something so now Caine rules TADC alone and is causing this bug to trap humans?
Hasnt the creator stated that the residents in the circus do have all their memories from real life, they just cant remember their names? They can remember everything else, heck even some of pomni's dialogue in THIS episode hints towards her knowing more then shes lead on (some of what shes saying when shes freaking out around kinger seems like its supposed to make us think shes referring to caine, when in actuality shes talking about whoever put her in this game to begin with, most likely her boss. The biggest hint towards this occurs when she says "he just wants me to suffer" and it flashes to the company logo from the office area, if she meant caine i feel like she would've said 'Caine' or it wouldve shown him, but instead it showed us that logo)
With the "C+A" sign in episode one, I can't help but wonder if there used to be/was supposed to be an AI named Able to compliment Caine's style and support the things he lacks. Perhaps the digital circus was an unfinished product that people keep finding. I doubt that the digital circus is a literal punishment designed for all of these characters, rather just the natural result of Caine not understanding more sophisticate human emotions all that well, which perhaps Able did/was supposed to. As for Jax, I get the sense that he just has yet to experience the consequence for his actions, and still approaches everything as if it was just a LARP session, as Pomni put it. I doubt that he's so irredemable that whatever's coming won't have an effect on him, but maybe that's just because I want to like him.
At first I was confused until I realized you were referencing the Bible. That is a pretty interesting connection and also adds the possibility of an Adam and Eve along with the God who's banished them into this digital circus.
To me, Jax seems more like a deeply terrified person who is using the mask of being a cruel prankster and a bully to keep people at arms' length. He can't control much of anything in the circus; the adventures, his appearance, when the people around him eventually abstract - but he can control himself. If he doesn't care about anything, nothing can get to him. He may have lost all of the people who he considered friends long ago or perhaps saw someone abstract very shortly into his stay at the circus like Pomni did and decided it was better not to take that chance. Perhaps he's protecting himself from abstracting in this way, or maybe he's only sparing his own feelings. Either way, Jax is treating everything and everyone carelessly because if he cares, even a little, it will only come back to hurt him, and he's not a strong enough person to handle that. Honestly, I think he'll be the next to abstract, simply because you cannot survive the circus on your own and Jax has done everything in his power to isolate himself. Either that, or he'll come very, very close and realize that what he's been doing isn't working. However it happens I can't wait to see him break!
Another thing I would like to add, is that when Zooble, Ragatha, and Gangle mention Kaufmo's funeral and stuff, Jax's "idgaf" persona breaks a bit and he got a little sad before shaking his head and walking away. The whole jerk/tough guy thing Jax has is definitely to hide something. Perhaps his fear or knowing that he might never be able to leave the circus
Caine is inspired by AM the Allied Mastercomputer from I have no mouth and I must scream So this is basically IHNMAIMS but more satire and character development
Well also Caine isn't evil Am hates people and actively does everything to torment them to the point the humans in I have no mouth and I must scream lose track of time while being tormented. Caine seems way more like a misguided AI that doesn't have the data set to deal with traumatized adult humans.
@@RinLockhart I can see where people are coming from with that comparison. Both AM and Caine are highly advanced AI capable of operating independently. Both of our cast are trapped in their respective AI's world and are at their mercy. The real big difference is in the intent of the AI. Am is actively antagonistic towards his prisoners. Caine is only trying to do what he was made to do and it's not like Caine is actively keeping any of them there(unless he is).
4:21 I know that young kids are enjoying this show, and adults are enjoying the show. I’m enjoying this show. It really has a very broad appeal, and speaks to something deeper too about the human condition.
Here is a theory: Jax knows how to exit the digital circus, and is working on it alone because the way to do it is through abstraction. He is pushing everyone away so they can abstract and be forced out of the game that they are trapped in.
11:07 no, they had their memories! Queen was collecting bugs - ok she could done in circus somehow, But who could Kinger do computer science, 7 years of them... inside the game? Imposible, so he remebers at least some of his life. That is somehow worst. 14:23 oh, you konw that alredy... oh well... (Btw realy? Again? Seven years? Nevermind)
I think they mostly don’t remember their self identity and the identity of others, as it wouldn’t really make sense for everyone to have a randomly assigned personality and memories when entering the digital circus Edit: fixing grammar mistakes
Theory: In a later episode, Jax causes Pomni to abstract, and then Cane tries to put her in the "Basement" but, Kinger stands up against Cane and somehow causes a chain of events that leads Pomni to "unabstract".
Would be really cope, but I think this is a bit to much of a happy ending. What I think will happen is Kinger, much to the horror of everyone (except Jax) abstracts/sacrifices. Kinger himself would be fine with that though, as he'd be reunited with his wife. It would be tragic but beautiful
@@pieterhofkens7259 honestly i think kingler has to survive because based on our knowledge he knows alot. maybe enough to fix everything. the one who i feel might abstract is gangle or ragatha. ragatha has been teased and we have gotten the closest to her. thinking about it, gangle feels more like a npc then the rest of the characters and caine has a hard time keeping track but he woudln't hesitate to delete someone if he found out. maybe there will be a series of events where we loose gangle if she is an npc and now with one last person to bully, jax causes ragatha to abstract.
Pretty sure episode 1 was Pomni's personal hell, since the majority of the plot was revolved around her and her introduction to the circus. Gooseworx posted a recent twitter post talking about each character spotlight in each episode and Jax was all the way in episode 6. So im guessing there will be a level that can link back to him and his trauma like with Kinger.
I have to say zooble is basically just trans allegory, being stuck in a body you don't like and being under the power of someone who might want to help but ultimately just makes you feel trapped and isolated, and especially having to end up working as their therapist just to get an inch of understanding. obviously this relates to gooseworx's own identity, and honestly I feel like zooble's personal hell cannot be resolved until the digital circus itself is finally shut down and everyone (who survives) escapes.
Tbh, as a Transmasc nonbinary fella, I found this to be true. Dysphoria and Dysmorphia are often mixed up, but the essence of them is similar: there is a disconnect and a severe, unignorable dissatisfaction with one's own body and/or gender. Zoobles is DEFINITELY trans-coded.
@@StonerBaer Trans or no, i'm almost sure that the majority of people have been unhappy about their bodies at some point or another. Everything from minor inconsequential things down their very bones depending on the person. It isn't just a trans thing.
i like the spooky feel and the visuals a lot. the background music really adds to everything. and the filter over the video also makes this really appealing to watch. this was an awesome video!! :D love the psychological horror feel
If the digital circus was designed for children, why are older people and adults getting stuck in it? This supports the theory that these were the people making the game and got trapped by their own AI
I don't think Caine can effect anything in the real world so maybe the characters outside of the game put on the headsets out of sheer curiosity when looking through a storage thing or something.
İ got a theory to think about it outside world looked doomded like if Apocalypse start so maybe they devoloped an ai to forget the thing happend outside of the world so they devoloped an ai to make an infinty game devoloping himself just so they could once more live happy and forget things the ai wasnt that great but they didint had choice they all forget their past lifes their loved oness theier friends but ai wanst great (caine) he kept making bugd adventures and mistakes that lead them to get corropted caine didint wanr to make bad things he knwed what was hapening outside he didint want to disapoint others by showing them real world because there was nothing there all they would see would just make them sad so caine wanted to make the world big a world that no one will leave and see whats outside he made new rooms just to make humans happy but they werentt satisfied they wanted to go back and i think pomni will learn whats outside and would want to go back to the game The amazing digital cericus the game that her friends devoloped .....
@sansyusuf that's an awesome idea!!!! I think the theory that they basically used their own ai they made to escape the apocalypse is an awesome idea, the only thing is that if it's a digital system, it's being powered by electricity. So if the apocalypse is there, I think in most circumstances electricity either slowly runs out (like TWD) or just doesn't exist, because there wouldn't be anybody running it. So when the electricity goes down, they would die with the game or come back to their original bodies
I like the theory that all of them accidentally killed someone to end up in the digital circus and each adventure is a reminder of what they did, only that Caine knows how they died/how the killed but doesn't remember the memory of the person it belongs to because he's constantly told to forget In the most recent episode, the adventure was made for Zooble, like Caine said but all the qualities of the episode were centered around Kinger and the days pervious events He'd obviously assumed that the more "mature" death went to the more mature character because he doesn't know or under any better In the episode it's implied that Kinger killed his real world wife with a shot because of multiple meltdowns and paranoia due to overworking himself to the point of hallucinating and losing connection with people, but his wife doesn't blame him at all Its unknown if Queenie was his real world wife (and what had to do to get know thier) but with the constant mention of "family" in the episode, Kinger probably hallucinated his wife as a monster after killing his family, leading to him killing her over lack of communication, break downs and paranoia over the unknown Only for them to both end up in TADC and for Queenie to go insane and abstract first, just like she'd been the first person out of the pair to go insane first, and instead of being violent this time they learn to communicate and say thier goodbyes as they were calmed by the darkness they'd already created With this theory in mind, it's told that all members BUT Jax unintentionally killed someone but intentionally got someone killed and that's why he deserves to be their more and why he lacks sympathy. I've seen some theories about Pomni leaving someone to die in a tough situation, because in the all the episodes she was quick to escape herself first, and was totally willing to leave the other behind. Her leaving someone behind getting them killed. Ragetha accidentally causing the death of someone close to her because she was either too pushy or not close enough, making her feel guilty for not being thier and helping people, causing her to give people like Jax chances time and time again and even physically restraining them if they hurt themselves or others, to avoid it happening again Gangle anxiety/anxious nature lead to them putting on a metaphorically mask and concealing their emotions and acting as if things were better, leading to accidentally that theatrical theme death for that person because Gangle was too nervous to stick up for themselves, leaving them a weak, 2 faced liar/some concealing their emotions as they're neatly put together, made from flashy materials as the mask would suggest And Zooble actually killed themselves out of distain for who they truly were. They unintentionally cause their own death because they hated themselves so much that they failed to see what was around them and the support that had leading to thier death. Or they unintentionally had someone they know commit suicide leading to them beating themselves up about it, trying to be better and perfect, trying to be the person they lost And Jax killing someone intentionally to defend a maternal figure in his life because the only times he ever drops the act is when he's being told off or is vulnerable or getting unexpected compliments. He however doesn't feel any remorse for the people he killed/person he killed as he viewed it as justified, leading to him being less traumatised than the other I like this theory because it links to the Caine and Able theories quite well and because it would make sense since they refer to the circus as a literal hell the majority of the time
What's your opinion on my theory? I know that Caine isn't human. But I have a theory that it's possible he himself is just as trapped as the others. Jax, Pomni, Ragatha, Kinger, and the drama-mask guy are trapped in the Circus by weird AI, and Caine is trapped by his own programming. He can't go against it or even question it. I say that because in ep3, when he started to question his purpose or whatever, the whole circus completely glitched out. He literally *has* to make these 'adventures' and make sure the abstracted are contained. He has no choice
I'm curious about Gangle, as we don't know much about her character yet. As you mention, her personal torture might be coexisting with Jax all the time bullying her. I feel like we're going to get some episode addressing that dynamic, maybe Jax crosses the limits and Gangle abstracts, causing a paradigm shift in the group dynamic. Nice video, thanks!
15:02 what of jax is NPC character, we know already that one of the cast is an NPC character, the creator said out of them Jax deserves the most to be there, maybe he's envious of the others or made by cain to be their personal hell, that would explain his personality and attitude
My theory is that Kinger was looking for a way to escape the circus by tracking down all the computer bugs, but unfortunately, he lost track of keeping contact with Queenie. When she questioned him and asked him to stop, the kinger must have blown up on her, saying something opposite to the advice he gave pomni. This causes queenie to abstract. If Theodores story is based of Kinger this may be the case.
To be honest, after this episode, I'm very sure that Zooble suffers from genderdisphoria or body dismorphia. It would be an amazing story arc if we see Zooble realize they are trans or see her process if dealing with body dismorphia and getting better slowly. Eather way it's amazing representation!
In Episode 2 the writers hinted at Kinger’s memories being better in the dark with him wearing the bucket on his head, and remembering when Ragitha first showed up. Or at episode 2’s end where the whole time he spoke about Koffmo during his funeral, his eyes were closed, as if he was trying to block out the light.
Caine really is the key to all of this. Don't forget the "C & A" in the first episode. I believe C stands for Cain but what does A stand for? I love a show that has a strong element of mystery to it.
@@Em_Elizabeth That seems to be the popular consensus, probably for a reason. I don't think it's that easy. I'm sure there is more that we have not seen yet. This is how you hook an audience.
1:34 Kinger didn't lose hope. If he did, he'd already abstract. He's still holding onto the hope that he can fix the game, help people escape to the real world, and maybe, just MAYBE, save the abstracted people so they can go back to normal! Edit: At least, that's what i remember about Kinger
ok idea jax will be the first one to abstract imagin this every adventure the gang is a part of up to this point was dissapointing for jax not enough chaos not enougth violence not enough torture for others so next episode (witch will be gangle focused) would start by him tormenting her and pomni trying to help her out but jax overpowering both of themn gets his way one of the last moments caine decides to make an edventure for gangle to cheer her up gives her a new mask and puts them in an anime world to be exact in a tornoument arc jax and ragatha as the villains (just to see how ragatha sucks at being evil and legit couldnt show any malicous intent no matter what) and pomni,gangle and kinger as the good guys and lets say that zooble joined in just to see how jax gets beaten up but doesnt partake a role in the tournement so both get anime characters to be their trainers And both sides get ganlges crushed (aka husbandos and waifus) to train them jax does nothing but make sure he can harm the others as hard as he can while pomni and gangle get cute sister moments so the tournement begins but jax instead of winning and killing everyone gets beaten easlly by others and resorts to cheating while we get more cute gangle and pomni sis moments like them having fun with some cute pets , gangle gushing over her crushes as pomni listens to gangles rants about their lore so the final round jax tries to hurt gangle as much as he can and break her mask but he just cant and he loses while gangle and pomni didnt even figth they were just goofing around so back to the circus and jax gets super mad at gangle and has a big burst of rage and he tries to break gangles mask again but pomni and gangle accually sucsessfully stop him she cant protevt herself from him on her own but with pomni and or someone else its accually easy and we get another cute moment with gangle and pomni as we see jax go into his room and destroy it jax is slowlly loosing his freedo mto harm others he is furious that he cant harm them .he is mad that they can defent themselfs he would scream "I WISH THAT I COULD JUST KILL THOSE $(&%@#)$*( ... hope no one heard it" HOW WOULD THAT BE FOR A PLOT
oh my god cain is quite litrally a child. wants to be appreiceated, crazy, and wants to stop the world from ending in the ever lasting hell he has been traped in ANSD NO LONGER WILLE LIVRE ENVERY MORE.
So my thing is, these people put on headsets and got transported. Did their entire beings get transported? Or are the others bodies rotting away in the real world since theyve been there so long?
bro digital circus just explained how the internet is: It is shown as fun while also secretly being dark once you enter you cant escape bugs the internet knows your every move but doesn't care about your feelings
I want a theory about if finding out the circus is that is death, the end of your human life and when you find out it’s like Gummiboot so you start losing yourself and get abstracted, Kingler talks about his wife, is good with the shotgun, and seems like he found himself in the spot of the husband who brought the angel. Kingler’s wife would have figure out this is the afterlife try to tell Kingler but he would go under so much stress his mind would forget it. This is just a theory and I think it would be cool for the story to see how the morality of characters go down when people want to end this afterworld so it can stop to get abstracted, I definitely think a mc would die/abstracted
I hope Pomi keeps hanging out with Kinger in the dark, it would be nice for him to have someone he can have a connection with. I also hope that she lets the others know that his mind is clearer in the dark
part of me feels like Jax and Gangle's story is connected but, like the rest, they don't remember. it wouldn't surprise me if they were siblings or partners in the real world, showed up in TADC at separate times, and either have no memory, or in Jax's case, remembers just enough that he focuses his tormenting behavior on Gangle, and the others just because they're there.
I think Jax simply is an NPC who was never properly completed, so he has the brain of a little boy and the traumas of losing Kinger and Queenie. Gangle feels like someone that Jax is the most attached to, besides Kaufmo.
I think this episode shows the importance of loving yourself. Zooble keeps changing and charging parts of herself to the point of disfigurement. Who knows if she even remembers what she originally looked like.
I do agree with the theory that Kinger created the Digital Circus. The hell-like nature, I suspect, is just a design flaw: He neglected to include a way to quit or log out, indicated by Caine's recognition that everybody wants an exit but only understands the concept as a door, did not give Caine an idle mode so he would not be constantly bombarding the residents with adventures, and especially did not account for the possibility of extraction. And, from the looks of things, was unaware of any of these problems until he and his wife decided to beta test it for themselves.
Yeah this show is so dark. I always forget about how dark it is. I mean, "I have no mouth and I must scream" is super dark and effed up and this seems to take inspiration. Which definitely leads me to believe it should go darker and more depressing. Which would be sad too cause I feel so bad for the characters. But this old, colorful style just throws me off cause it makes me so nostalgic for old internet games.
I find it kind of interesting, whether it be by continuity issues or intentional for a deeper meaning, that Cain has the ability to forget things as an AI. Not that when we talk to chat bots that they can’t remember conversational details, but it’s a detail worth noting since it’s been rehashed apparently numerous times. There is a level of consciousness we’re glossing over a bit.
or perhaps, as Kinger's story is a parallel version of the story of Martha Mildenhall's husband, it is likely that Kinger had tried to protect his wife from something within the circus, but his obsession with protecting her ended up making him a danger to his own wife, thus causing her to be distracted.
Caine being an AI and not an actual person is probably the most horrific aspect of the circus. Imagine being stuck with someone who has no concept of emotion and doesn’t know how or why you think the way you do
your point on pomni stands more as in episode 2 she was pretty much the one comforting gummygoo while having a existencial crisis and finding a solution despite being in a bad situation she probably would have freaked out if she was alone
On abstraction, I believe one can also abstract if they give up all hope and succumb to despair. The first glimpse we see of Kaufmo's room in episode 1 has endless scribbles of his obsession looking for an exit. As there's no known way out, he likely gave up his will to keep going. In episode 2, the despair eating at Pomni is shown as the nightmare she has of being cast into the cellar. At the end of the episode, she's saved from that nightmare by the friends she is making in the circus. They are the bonds that keep her going.
Makes me wonder if kinger is being piloted, or at least watched, by a real person, and during that adventure he was like "wait this adventure is cool" and took manual control
Something I would like to bring up is that in another video, someone made a theory that Caine had accidentally or purposely misplaced the abstract into the ep3 map (hence why when those souls possessed Pomni, they asked “how’s ur wife, Kinger?) to finally put some use into them so they don’t completely destroy themselves
Theory: Jax secretly has Athazagoraphobia: The fear of being forgotten. He terrorizes everyone he says to entertain himself, but it's seems like it's more for attention. When no one bothered asking him to join the funeral (most likely expecting him to do something disrespectful), is probably why he felt sad. If everyone grew apathetic to him, he'd probably start to go insane. The bully realized after they bullied everyone, nobody wanted to be around them.
oh boy, just made me think about the abstracted characters that are put down in the hole, i wonder if after an extended period of darkness they're subjected to they start to calm down enough to comprehend just how horrible the situation they're in is ):
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i do wonder... what would happen if.. zooble attempted to... be serious, make caine pay attention. aaaand maybe ask for a form they personality could ajust in a way they truely want... to be able to use their imagination to make it exactly was... them.
You know you said Cain forgets what zooble says which is technically zobles fault because she says forget it and Cain repeats it as if asking for conformation she says forget it agin
What about ragatha?
A real possible threat that Caine presents isn't when he has a mental break that crashes the game, but when he creates an Ai character that is stronger than him. In other words, and this is my personal theory, what will happen when a god thinks of someone or something that is stronger than him and creates it without leaving a way to undo him?
A thing someone pointed out about the Zooble therapy moment is that the creator pointed out Caine doesn't understand figures of speech and the sort so whenever Zooble keeps telling him to "forget about it" he does, making the experience all the more upsetting.
Tell a computer"Forget about it" and it erases the memory. Tell the computer programmed to do a objective not to do it and it becomes a paradox (Do and Don't) therefore it crashes
Seems like the players can give commands to edit the computer through Cain. Opening files,doing objectives, Erasing memory etc.
The void of a computer tells the computer to never "Return a value/Stop a command/end command"
The exit is outside the void therefore the only escape would be to erase the void/End command.
A rabbit/bunny is a program that endlessly repeats/Multiplies.....
Kill Jax? Idk.
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It's not possible. Honestly maybe players can only die during a game, I guess they'll respawn because Caine has power over their bodies. And obviously it's a funny retro looking game so of course it's going to have extra life systems. Maybe no one has actually died! Because they either got abstracted or feared to lose their fake live.
@@almessasorrow4950 or maybe the entire simulation falls apart and shuts down if Caine abstracts, and everyone is put back to how they were before ending up in the circus, in the “present day” (whenever that might be for the canon of the show right now)
😂Jeeeeeez I got work to do. I've been here for an hour just thinking lmao
Does zooble realize this ?
I like the idea the avatars symbolize the characters flaws
Kinger and queener: the original creators of the world
Zooble: someone who isn’t comfortable in their own skin
Ragatha: someone who was always treated like the punching bag but always stayed chipper
It’s Queenie-
I'm happy Ragatha and Gangle stood up for themselves this episode at least, considering they tied up Jax 😂
Gangle: a miserable girl with depression Jax: an immature troublemaker caine: the wacky AI
Pomni: a girl who probably got tortured in the real world and made as a clown in school or something and probably knew this would happen and someone told her or something who knows
@@PR0P14Y3RA rabbit is a virus or void/Multiplies in computers. Jax's flaw is he either isn't wanted,was sick,or his personality.
One thing I thought about is how this episode shows that Caine is capable of creating some truly terrifying stuff when he puts his mind to it
yeah like, I really wonder what was with the whole "hows your wife kinger" thing when pomni was possessed
the entire time I was like "Caine made this??"
I wonder if jax is a rabbit as a representation of someones being "hunted" by others in real world. And after all person who is mistreated often becomes the one mistreating others
Well, the creators said that the players are trapped in this digital nightmare to be tormented by their own personal issues and traumas (and of all the players, Jax is the one who deserves it the most).
It’s right in the synopsis:
“A woman gets trapped in a crazy virtual world along with five other humans and are now subject to the whims of wacky AI and their own personal traumas.”
Gangle has a body pillow of one of the other cast. She’s the one who deserves it most.
I wonder what Ragatha went through to be stuck there then
@@Webb_Studiosif that’s what is considered bad enough to be in a digital hell (I personally don’t find it this way, its far too joke-esque compared to what seems to be in store for the cast regarding their personal issues to be a cause lol) , wtf does Jax got going on if gooseworx themselves says that Jax deserves to be in the digital circus the most out of all of the human cast
So, PG13 Silent Hill?
@@MrAzulmagia I don’t know. I’ve never played that game
I Think Gooseworx said on Tumblr that in Episode 5 Jax will do something unforgivable. Maybe he WILL caused someone to abstract but not any of our main characters. Maybe someone new will come along and within that same episode they’ll abstract! Or maybe in the Episode it will be revealed that he’s a big part the reason Kaufmo abstracted?!
Also Jax needs to seriously realize that if he causes everyone to abstract, he’ll be alone with nothing to do and eventually go insane and abstract himself. And I think that’s worst than being abstract by someone else!
Don’t we already know the cause of Kaufmo’s extraction? Isnt it that he began to get obsessed with the idea of escaping & the stress, paranoia, and newfound knowledge that there isn’t an exit is what lead to him abstracting?
@@parasitophobia I’mm sorry but when in the show did it say that? (I get that even in the show if It didn’t say that it was heavily implied) if you’re talking about that fan made animation then I guess it’s plausible because that sounds exactly what you’re describing lol
@@tomaetoma359 I’ve actually never watched the fanmade one , I guess I mean it’s heavily implied that the strive for escaping is what got him based on his room and how others say that he had been talking about an exit as of late ? I’ve always perceived it as sorta obvious that Kaufmo’s abstraction was due to that ? But idk, it could be possible there was another factor
@@parasitophobia Oh ye, you’re right! Lol I low-key forgot that when they went into Kaufmo’s room all the writing of him being crazy about an exit was on the walls! Also, you should definitely watch that fan made animation! It’s pretty good!
Also now that makes me wonder how long was he there for before he got extracted? Was he only there for less than a day or for quite a bit before that happened?
Wait, where'd you hear about it being episode 5?
Theory: Cain really likes torturing his players, because that comment about his wife was clearly a personalized attack.
Or two: Cain partially uses the code of the abstracted characters to create the AI of the NPCs, which would explain how that NPC could have known about Kinger's wife before Kinger even brought it up.
I think 2. Gumigoo was awfully real for a made up NPC, so it’s possible Caine is using abstracted players in his games to make them more fun. And, the less enjoyable and under appreciated his games are, the more he’ll pull out of the abstracted players in his AI effort to achieve his only purpose. Good theory.
My theory is that Caine has less control over the world than everyone thinks. I think the code, to an extent, can kinda do its own thing.
I think it's just that he doesn't understand boundaries the way people do. You have to remember that as smart as he is, he's still an AI who doesn't come with these things built in.
@@rachelmayes3064 I like this theory. After all, Caine even had a bit of a breakdown in episode 3. Is that implying he can abstract too? There's a lot Caine just kind of doesn't know or isn't helpful with, so I could totally believe him being more on the automaton side of an AI rather than a sentient being with desires and motives.
I like theory 2 tbh and would make perfect sense for someone like Caine. Using real people to make his adventures more "immersive" to his audience. Possibly even killing them or hurting them without him knowing if he really does use the abstracted people like objects for his own game.
Just to add onto this, Kinger was the longest one to be in the digital circus, so if Caine really does use real peoples "code" and such to make these AI and NPC's, it would make sense as to why that one NPC brought up Kingers wife. Someone must have seen it before they got abstracted themselves eventually. Could also explain why Gummigoo was so human-like
I have an interesting persona theory/headcanon. My theory is, that once someone goes absolutely insane, there's something hardcoded in Caine that requires him to let you go. However, he doesn't want people finding out about this as they would intentionally go insane to leave, so he creates abstractions in place of the characters who left to fearmonger the cast into thinking they'll become that if they go insane so they don't think about leaving.
OHMYGAHHHH I LOVE YOUR THEORY SM
I like the idea, but what about Queenie? Didn't Kinger connect with her in her abstracted form?
Caine Suffering: Lack of knowing
Bubble Suffering: Lack of Suffering
Jax Suffering: Suffering put on other
Gangle Suffering: Suffering caused by others
Pomni Suffering: Uncontrolled Suffering
Kinger Suffering: Unforgettable Suffering
Zooble Suffering: Suffering because of themselves
Ragatha Suffering: Ignoring suffering
All of the characters of The Amazing Digital Circus represent a different type of suffering
The audience: suffering from everything
Need a theory on why only Caine and Jax seem to know of the existence and or presence of he audience and or viewer.
Caine: was made as an AI for a game, so it's probably just going along with his code
Jax: I'm probably just going along with Caine so he could also feel in control
With Jax it’s a possibility he is an NPC I know there is that theory. Maybe NPC’s eventually know abt the audience
@@maem7462 I feel like everyone has a general idea of the NPC Jax theory. Granted the shows keeps him mysterious so it’s obvious Glitch is keeping his secrets tucked on a shelf for something big one day.
@@AllMight6 I’d be inclined to agree with that if it weren’t for other instances where he’s looked at the “camera” more subtly in the first episode. The fact that he’s never slipped up on “looking” at the audience has me a bit iffy.
My guess is jax is just making a really good guess but he really doesnt know.
Caine glitching the world around him made me think that what if destroying the program by pushing caine to his limit (essentially abstracting him) would free all inhabitants
I thought about that too, but that runs some other risks, like maybe whatever program pulled your consciousness into the Circus won't run and won't put you back into your body, putting your body in a vegetative state, while your consciousness either is deleted or locked forever in the void
If Caine goes insane/crashes, it's possible the circus would collapse and the players are forever stuck floating in the void/blue screen
@@oriontigley5089 Yep. And that's not exactly an good thing or freedom of any kind. If anything, it's worse than what they are already going through.
Fan theory.
Kinger is the real creator/ developer of the digital circus while Cain was the Ai that hijack the program and took over the entire game.
Kinger and his wife enter the game to find away to fix Cain but Cain eventually made it so they are trapped
Plus with the avatar of Kinger and Queenie both being chess pieces ( in away have more authority over other characters)
Kinger and Queen being trapped in the game kept getting put though all of Caine’s adventures have caused fights among the 2.
Harsh words were said and eventually Queen became abstracted.
So Kinger is all alone… until to his horror when the cast shows up some one must of released the unfinished game and now he can’t warn no one and now has to live with the guilt that he made this mess and he has no way out to warn any one who enters the game.
Nice theory
@@Saintpentiousofficial thanks
"I thought of a really funny joke....maybe it wasn't that funny"
The Circus is a coding prank gone wrong.
When you realize that Cane having an existential crisis means the reality of the circus falls apart… that’s pretty scary ngl 😅
Well, they want out... there's the way right there, have the world breakdown entirely and take them with it. They're in a computer program, glitch it till it literally cannot function anymore.
You may find it funny but it genuinely _is_ scary. If anybody ever gets Caine to have an existential crisis, these guys are basically all doomed. So.. Yeah. Though, to be fair, I do kinda get why that's funny too. I just like to look at those things from an more in-depth perspective sometimes.
@LuigiDergX In my comment I literally say that it’s scary, I only put the laughing emoji to sorta relief some tension in a sense cuz it’s literally just a cartoon at the end of the day. As bad as the situation is for them it’s still “funny”. I changed the emoji to make you feel better. Also let’s keep in mind that abstraction isn’t REAL, but the things that can make it happen are, like stress. That’s something humans actually go through in a daily basis and ofc someone having a mental breakdown because of it isn’t funny either. Sorry I made you mad.
@@ChocoRainbowCornJax: We do a little trolling.
@@tomaetoma359 Nah, I wasn't mad, sorry if I made you feel that way. I was just confused on the comment but expressed myself in an overly rude way. You don't have to edit the comment's emoji to express anything. Although also sorry for responding so late to this - Somehow, amongst all of the other notifications, I missed this one.
I wanna know more about Caine, he has a lot of layers and secrets he isn’t telling us.
From the beginning of the series, I always knew that someone knew something that they couldn't-or wouldn't-tell.
@ i wonder if the dead guy on the tape meant like the “real” god or Caine when he explained when the creature he was hunting was an angel?
@@rainbowquartz9513 nah
I believe Caine may not even be the main villain of this show. Like you said, this is just as much HIS hell as the humans trapped there. I believe these people were lured there by some shady gaming company to become test subjects for their VR game (kinda like in Sword Art Online). Kinger and Queenie might have actually worked for this company as the game's original creators, but were betrayed and trapped there. Caine is just tool.
I don't know about Ragatha, but Jax is just Gangle's personal hell.
Fr, it seems like Ragatha takes Jax's behavior as just frivolous tricks. And Jax himself only makes fun of her, nothing more. While Gangle truly suffers because of him. He breaks her mask, hits her, blackmails her and insults her a lot. For an absolutely mentally unstable person like Gangle it really is a hell
@@leblumonka To be fair, Ragatha just tries to be nice with everybody and not cause more problems than there already are - Sure, she could be the one to finally do something about Jax, but, two things: In a way, it doesn't really fit her character, that's first. And second, while the way she does nothing about him in any way or hardly ever tries to intervene at all is far from perfect, I think it's the best she can do, and in that way, it's quite commendable.
Now this makes me wonder if being abstracted means you still have a present mind or not? Like imagine still having a conscious sane mind in a body you can’t control, only to be put in darkness and have no idea what’s going on being scared and confused!
I feel that there's going to be an episode where we have a moment with all the characters sit down and talk about who they were outside of the circus, minus Jax (either because he doesn't want to or plot reasons) and they start piecing things together on how they might be able to escape!
Thought it was confirmed on Twitter by the creator that everyone would have a special episode dedicated to them. Episode 3 was Kinger and Jax is supposed to be Episode 6
Zooble 100% has body dysmorphia issues. Especially after their line about not finding the right parts yet
That's what I thought aswell, and her body is More plastic unlike the others which reminds me of plastic surgery and people who get plastic surgery usually have body dysmorphia and even when they get it they're never happy enough and need more and becomes an addiction like when zooble kept trying on the different parts to help her but never finding the right parts
Ganggle is probably the most likely to abstract to me both due to her lack of character development and due to Jax constantly bullying
I think it will be ragatha or kinger
It's already confirmed that gangle will be the main focus on episode 4 so there's your character development
My thought: Cain is an AI. He IS the Digital Circus and the toothy ringmaster is his avatar. He is an AI that is programmed to create adventures, but something happened that caused him to become isolated. Maybe the company that created him got shut down, maybe he's a program on the internet that went rogue, or something.
When someone enters the Digital Circus their minds are literally ripped from their bodies and given avatars of their own. Perhaps there's some aspect of their personality that shapes them, perhaps its random, but now they exist as living data. When they experience extremes of stress or panic they become corrupted, they lose their physical form and become abstracted. At this point the AI (Cain) will seal them away in a partitioned drive in 'the cellar' (data goes in, doesn't come out.)
My question is this: What would happen if Cain himself became corrupted? If he's no longer got any outside control that means he's not getting updated or debugged anymore. Its only a matter of time before Cain himself will abstract... and if he does, what happens to the Digital Circus and everyone within it?
I can Answer this. If the Program controlling the Server (in this case, the AI Caine) were to become too Corrupted for it to Function, everything on the Server would become corrupted as well, until the System breaks and all Code on the Server becomes Unusable. For the situation of TADC, this would effectively mean that Caine, the Circus and everything in and connected to it (Worlds, Characters, Trapped Souls) would be Erased in the most horrifying way unimaginable, and the People Trapped might potentially become Stuck feeling that Experience within their Minds...
Y’know when talking about being tortured, Pomni only says ‘he’. She never specified Caine. What if she’s talking about someone else? Someone on the outside..?
The camera IS a tangible thing that Jax and Caine regularly interacts with in the circus. So who knows?
i do really like the idea of pomni being an unreliable narrator lol
When Jax pulls out the key in the pilot episode, she flinches as if she expects him to hit her food for thought.
@iantaggart3064 WAIT REALLY?!?! I gotta check! Awesome find!!
@iantaggart3064 You’re right!! So cool!! Great find!
20:40 So like a Roko's Basilisk [I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream] situation? Where each of the characters may have had some connection to Caine's creation? That sounds hella cool
One of the things I really like about the digital circus is the fact that the AI vs human horror adds to it. They are stuck in a digital setting so what measure is a human? For us, it's obvious, we know what are human behaviors and actions. For an AI like Caine it's not. But Caine is trying to do his primary function, entertain humans with his games. Gummigoo didn't really self actualize, he had enough character to be close enough. I feel like Caine is in the same problematic AI level.
This is actually my favorite level of AI to examine... Because to what degree is it their fault? In the end does it matter? It's such a dangerous sort of level to deal with because Caine is just doing *exactly* what people wanted him to do. What they programmed him to do. The problem is something went wrong and they didn't tell him exactly how to do it right. And he's not actualized enough to be able to be told the truth. Because he wasn't given enough processing and capability to.
That is something you'd need to get *outside* of the program to fix after figuring out the issue inside the problem. I suspect that was what happened with Kinger and Queenie.
i get what you're saying, but when you say actualized do you mean updated?
@heckett_main i mean full "I think therefore i am". With interactions with Caine and the fact that although he responds well enough to Pomni he was basically following her lead i think Gumigoo seemed more like a person than he actually was.
Which doesn't make what happened less tragic. It's not a reason to treat him like code to be deleted like Caine did. Gumigoo is the ghost in the machine and the idea of the right for AI to live i think.
@@athannyx6815 oh, i see what you mean now
@@athannyx6815 that is true, gumigoo deserved better
@@heckett_main He definitely did. I really liked Gumigoo and I resonanted with the LongestSoloEver song "Tell me what I am" based on him.
Theory: Caine, as based on Cain from the Bible is the root of envy. Caine created envied the One True God's work and created the circus to cope against God's creation by luring players to their eternal torment.
When Furst Lee hosted Film Theory after MattPat's departure, he disproved MattPat's theory of Caine being God by concluding that If Caine was the God of this digital world, he'd be omnipresent and omniscient that Pomni fell to the Noclip abyss in Episode 2 and intervene there.
Does that mean Caine had a 'brother' Able that kept him in check? But Caine killed him or abstracted him or did something so now Caine rules TADC alone and is causing this bug to trap humans?
Hasnt the creator stated that the residents in the circus do have all their memories from real life, they just cant remember their names? They can remember everything else, heck even some of pomni's dialogue in THIS episode hints towards her knowing more then shes lead on (some of what shes saying when shes freaking out around kinger seems like its supposed to make us think shes referring to caine, when in actuality shes talking about whoever put her in this game to begin with, most likely her boss. The biggest hint towards this occurs when she says "he just wants me to suffer" and it flashes to the company logo from the office area, if she meant caine i feel like she would've said 'Caine' or it wouldve shown him, but instead it showed us that logo)
10:45 gooseworx actually confirmed that the characters remember everything, just not their names.
It makes sense. In the new episode there’s mentions of ragatha’s horses, gangle wanting to be a manga writer and also being a manager.
I got a wonder what would have happened if zooble would have went. After all it was designed for them in particular
Likely something about making them feel extremely uncomfortable in their body, maybe even forcing them to wear the parts they hate most.
With the "C+A" sign in episode one, I can't help but wonder if there used to be/was supposed to be an AI named Able to compliment Caine's style and support the things he lacks.
Perhaps the digital circus was an unfinished product that people keep finding. I doubt that the digital circus is a literal punishment designed for all of these characters, rather just the natural result of Caine not understanding more sophisticate human emotions all that well, which perhaps Able did/was supposed to.
As for Jax, I get the sense that he just has yet to experience the consequence for his actions, and still approaches everything as if it was just a LARP session, as Pomni put it. I doubt that he's so irredemable that whatever's coming won't have an effect on him, but maybe that's just because I want to like him.
At first I was confused until I realized you were referencing the Bible. That is a pretty interesting connection and also adds the possibility of an Adam and Eve along with the God who's banished them into this digital circus.
Thought that too about caine and abel. If they're in hell then it would make sense
To me, Jax seems more like a deeply terrified person who is using the mask of being a cruel prankster and a bully to keep people at arms' length. He can't control much of anything in the circus; the adventures, his appearance, when the people around him eventually abstract - but he can control himself. If he doesn't care about anything, nothing can get to him. He may have lost all of the people who he considered friends long ago or perhaps saw someone abstract very shortly into his stay at the circus like Pomni did and decided it was better not to take that chance. Perhaps he's protecting himself from abstracting in this way, or maybe he's only sparing his own feelings. Either way, Jax is treating everything and everyone carelessly because if he cares, even a little, it will only come back to hurt him, and he's not a strong enough person to handle that.
Honestly, I think he'll be the next to abstract, simply because you cannot survive the circus on your own and Jax has done everything in his power to isolate himself. Either that, or he'll come very, very close and realize that what he's been doing isn't working. However it happens I can't wait to see him break!
Jax is an incomplete program. He doesn’t want to associate himself with others because he knows he will lose them.
Another thing I would like to add, is that when Zooble, Ragatha, and Gangle mention Kaufmo's funeral and stuff, Jax's "idgaf" persona breaks a bit and he got a little sad before shaking his head and walking away.
The whole jerk/tough guy thing Jax has is definitely to hide something. Perhaps his fear or knowing that he might never be able to leave the circus
@@Kidey11 I think the second, but because Jax was made in the Circus.
Caine is inspired by AM the Allied Mastercomputer from I have no mouth and I must scream
So this is basically IHNMAIMS but more satire and character development
Well also Caine isn't evil Am hates people and actively does everything to torment them to the point the humans in I have no mouth and I must scream lose track of time while being tormented. Caine seems way more like a misguided AI that doesn't have the data set to deal with traumatized adult humans.
everyone keeps saying caine came from am but i havent heard a thing about it from goose.
@@RinLockhart I can see where people are coming from with that comparison. Both AM and Caine are highly advanced AI capable of operating independently. Both of our cast are trapped in their respective AI's world and are at their mercy. The real big difference is in the intent of the AI. Am is actively antagonistic towards his prisoners. Caine is only trying to do what he was made to do and it's not like Caine is actively keeping any of them there(unless he is).
What is more horrifying? A malevolent God who created Hell, or an ignorant God who believes they have created Heaven?
@@bbh6212 Both.
4:21 I know that young kids are enjoying this show, and adults are enjoying the show. I’m enjoying this show. It really has a very broad appeal, and speaks to something deeper too about the human condition.
Your Caine's theory has to be my favorite since episode 3 really set up potential development for his character !
Here is a theory: Jax knows how to exit the digital circus, and is working on it alone because the way to do it is through abstraction. He is pushing everyone away so they can abstract and be forced out of the game that they are trapped in.
11:07 no, they had their memories!
Queen was collecting bugs - ok she could done in circus somehow,
But who could Kinger do computer science, 7 years of them... inside the game? Imposible, so he remebers at least some of his life. That is somehow worst.
14:23 oh, you konw that alredy... oh well... (Btw realy? Again? Seven years? Nevermind)
I think they mostly don’t remember their self identity and the identity of others, as it wouldn’t really make sense for everyone to have a randomly assigned personality and memories when entering the digital circus
Edit: fixing grammar mistakes
Queenie collects bugs, if she is able to unabstract she may be able to identify the 'bug' - as in programming bug- that has them all trapped there.
Theory: In a later episode, Jax causes Pomni to abstract, and then Cane tries to put her in the "Basement" but, Kinger stands up against Cane and somehow causes a chain of events that leads Pomni to "unabstract".
Would be really cope, but I think this is a bit to much of a happy ending.
What I think will happen is Kinger, much to the horror of everyone (except Jax) abstracts/sacrifices. Kinger himself would be fine with that though, as he'd be reunited with his wife.
It would be tragic but beautiful
It’s still to early to make conclusions, but there is some real potential for Pomni abstracting at some point
@@pieterhofkens7259 Same, and it would show kinger meeting up with Queenie in the end for a few seconds. As a "bonus scene".
@@pieterhofkens7259 honestly i think kingler has to survive because based on our knowledge he knows alot. maybe enough to fix everything. the one who i feel might abstract is gangle or ragatha. ragatha has been teased and we have gotten the closest to her. thinking about it, gangle feels more like a npc then the rest of the characters and caine has a hard time keeping track but he woudln't hesitate to delete someone if he found out. maybe there will be a series of events where we loose gangle if she is an npc and now with one last person to bully, jax causes ragatha to abstract.
Jax's personal hell was the first episode
Klinger's one was the second one
Really? Kinger didn't seem to despair much, more be reminiscent of the good times with hid wife
Pretty sure episode 1 was Pomni's personal hell, since the majority of the plot was revolved around her and her introduction to the circus.
Gooseworx posted a recent twitter post talking about each character spotlight in each episode and Jax was all the way in episode 6. So im guessing there will be a level that can link back to him and his trauma like with Kinger.
@@pieterhofkens7259and he is oldest member who is not get abstreted
Jaxs hell is the burger episode as in the teaser he is about to erupt in rage
ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER DIGITAL CIRCUS EPISODE EXPLAINED! 🗣️🔥
I have to say zooble is basically just trans allegory, being stuck in a body you don't like and being under the power of someone who might want to help but ultimately just makes you feel trapped and isolated, and especially having to end up working as their therapist just to get an inch of understanding.
obviously this relates to gooseworx's own identity, and honestly I feel like zooble's personal hell cannot be resolved until the digital circus itself is finally shut down and everyone (who survives) escapes.
Tbh, as a Transmasc nonbinary fella, I found this to be true.
Dysphoria and Dysmorphia are often mixed up, but the essence of them is similar: there is a disconnect and a severe, unignorable dissatisfaction with one's own body and/or gender.
Zoobles is DEFINITELY trans-coded.
@@StonerBaer Trans or no, i'm almost sure that the majority of people have been unhappy about their bodies at some point or another. Everything from minor inconsequential things down their very bones depending on the person. It isn't just a trans thing.
I see that too and also an allegory for plastic surgery. Either way just being so unhappy with your body that you do everything possible to "fix" it
i like the spooky feel and the visuals a lot. the background music really adds to everything. and the filter over the video also makes this really appealing to watch. this was an awesome video!! :D love the psychological horror feel
Off topic but the intro was fire😭🙏 love the spooky setting
17:26 Jax is literally me! I try to find all of the crazy glitches in a game to see how much I can break it
If the digital circus was designed for children, why are older people and adults getting stuck in it? This supports the theory that these were the people making the game and got trapped by their own AI
I don't think Caine can effect anything in the real world so maybe the characters outside of the game put on the headsets out of sheer curiosity when looking through a storage thing or something.
İ got a theory to think about it outside world looked doomded like if Apocalypse start so maybe they devoloped an ai to forget the thing happend outside of the world so they devoloped an ai to make an infinty game devoloping himself just so they could once more live happy and forget things the ai wasnt that great but they didint had choice they all forget their past lifes their loved oness theier friends but ai wanst great (caine) he kept making bugd adventures and mistakes that lead them to get corropted caine didint wanr to make bad things he knwed what was hapening outside he didint want to disapoint others by showing them real world because there was nothing there all they would see would just make them sad so caine wanted to make the world big a world that no one will leave and see whats outside he made new rooms just to make humans happy but they werentt satisfied they wanted to go back and i think pomni will learn whats outside and would want to go back to the game The amazing digital cericus the game that her friends devoloped .....
@@sideways_chip_eater6420 true!
@sansyusuf that's an awesome idea!!!!
I think the theory that they basically used their own ai they made to escape the apocalypse is an awesome idea, the only thing is that if it's a digital system, it's being powered by electricity. So if the apocalypse is there, I think in most circumstances electricity either slowly runs out (like TWD) or just doesn't exist, because there wouldn't be anybody running it. So when the electricity goes down, they would die with the game or come back to their original bodies
@@AsmrWithLivvv good theory
Yeah, I think it's pretty much canon that nobody, and I mean NOBODY in this show is okay :(
I like the theory that all of them accidentally killed someone to end up in the digital circus and each adventure is a reminder of what they did, only that Caine knows how they died/how the killed but doesn't remember the memory of the person it belongs to because he's constantly told to forget
In the most recent episode, the adventure was made for Zooble, like Caine said but all the qualities of the episode were centered around Kinger and the days pervious events
He'd obviously assumed that the more "mature" death went to the more mature character because he doesn't know or under any better
In the episode it's implied that Kinger killed his real world wife with a shot because of multiple meltdowns and paranoia due to overworking himself to the point of hallucinating and losing connection with people, but his wife doesn't blame him at all
Its unknown if Queenie was his real world wife (and what had to do to get know thier) but with the constant mention of "family" in the episode, Kinger probably hallucinated his wife as a monster after killing his family, leading to him killing her over lack of communication, break downs and paranoia over the unknown
Only for them to both end up in TADC and for Queenie to go insane and abstract first, just like she'd been the first person out of the pair to go insane first, and instead of being violent this time they learn to communicate and say thier goodbyes as they were calmed by the darkness they'd already created
With this theory in mind, it's told that all members BUT Jax unintentionally killed someone but intentionally got someone killed and that's why he deserves to be their more and why he lacks sympathy.
I've seen some theories about Pomni leaving someone to die in a tough situation, because in the all the episodes she was quick to escape herself first, and was totally willing to leave the other behind. Her leaving someone behind getting them killed.
Ragetha accidentally causing the death of someone close to her because she was either too pushy or not close enough, making her feel guilty for not being thier and helping people, causing her to give people like Jax chances time and time again and even physically restraining them if they hurt themselves or others, to avoid it happening again
Gangle anxiety/anxious nature lead to them putting on a metaphorically mask and concealing their emotions and acting as if things were better, leading to accidentally that theatrical theme death for that person because Gangle was too nervous to stick up for themselves, leaving them a weak, 2 faced liar/some concealing their emotions as they're neatly put together, made from flashy materials as the mask would suggest
And Zooble actually killed themselves out of distain for who they truly were. They unintentionally cause their own death because they hated themselves so much that they failed to see what was around them and the support that had leading to thier death.
Or they unintentionally had someone they know commit suicide leading to them beating themselves up about it, trying to be better and perfect, trying to be the person they lost
And Jax killing someone intentionally to defend a maternal figure in his life because the only times he ever drops the act is when he's being told off or is vulnerable or getting unexpected compliments. He however doesn't feel any remorse for the people he killed/person he killed as he viewed it as justified, leading to him being less traumatised than the other
I like this theory because it links to the Caine and Able theories quite well and because it would make sense since they refer to the circus as a literal hell the majority of the time
What's your opinion on my theory?
I know that Caine isn't human. But I have a theory that it's possible he himself is just as trapped as the others. Jax, Pomni, Ragatha, Kinger, and the drama-mask guy are trapped in the Circus by weird AI, and Caine is trapped by his own programming. He can't go against it or even question it. I say that because in ep3, when he started to question his purpose or whatever, the whole circus completely glitched out. He literally *has* to make these 'adventures' and make sure the abstracted are contained. He has no choice
Kinger 💔😭 my Knew favorite Character in the Digital Curcis
I'm curious about Gangle, as we don't know much about her character yet. As you mention, her personal torture might be coexisting with Jax all the time bullying her. I feel like we're going to get some episode addressing that dynamic, maybe Jax crosses the limits and Gangle abstracts, causing a paradigm shift in the group dynamic. Nice video, thanks!
15:02
what of jax is NPC character, we know already that one of the cast is an NPC character, the creator said out of them Jax deserves the most to be there, maybe he's envious of the others or made by cain to be their personal hell, that would explain his personality and attitude
Caine's hat is top notch🎩🔥
My theory is that Kinger was looking for a way to escape the circus by tracking down all the computer bugs, but unfortunately, he lost track of keeping contact with Queenie. When she questioned him and asked him to stop, the kinger must have blown up on her, saying something opposite to the advice he gave pomni. This causes queenie to abstract. If Theodores story is based of Kinger this may be the case.
2:38 yeah when everyone is seemingly doing fine ,freaking out makes you feel like the odd one out
15:43 I think he threw bricks at homeless people
STOP, THIS CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD 😭
XD😂
To be honest, after this episode, I'm very sure that Zooble suffers from genderdisphoria or body dismorphia.
It would be an amazing story arc if we see Zooble realize they are trans or see her process if dealing with body dismorphia and getting better slowly.
Eather way it's amazing representation!
Pomni: "please don't come alive..."
Mr. Mildenhall: "okay I won't."
In Episode 2 the writers hinted at Kinger’s memories being better in the dark with him wearing the bucket on his head, and remembering when Ragitha first showed up. Or at episode 2’s end where the whole time he spoke about Koffmo during his funeral, his eyes were closed, as if he was trying to block out the light.
What if Jax is the reason Kafmo abstracted?
Considering that this was partially inspired by "I have no mouth and I must scream" hell is a loose term for thw circus
The intro gave me PTSD
Caine really is the key to all of this. Don't forget the "C & A" in the first episode. I believe C stands for Cain but what does A stand for? I love a show that has a strong element of mystery to it.
Maybe Abel🤔
@@Em_Elizabeth That seems to be the popular consensus, probably for a reason. I don't think it's that easy. I'm sure there is more that we have not seen yet. This is how you hook an audience.
A - ???
B - Bubble
C - Caine
I think you're getting somewhere 🤔
1:34 Kinger didn't lose hope. If he did, he'd already abstract. He's still holding onto the hope that he can fix the game, help people escape to the real world, and maybe, just MAYBE, save the abstracted people so they can go back to normal!
Edit: At least, that's what i remember about Kinger
I thought this episode would be about Zooble therapy
tomorrows will be just zooble therapy
18:42 if this turns out to be true, Gangle will undoubtedly be the next to abstract.
That would be so sad.
ok idea
jax will be the first one to abstract
imagin this
every adventure the gang is a part of up to this point was dissapointing for jax
not enough chaos not enougth violence not enough torture for others
so next episode (witch will be gangle focused)
would start by him tormenting her and pomni trying to help her out but jax overpowering both of themn gets his way one of the last moments
caine decides to make an edventure for gangle to cheer her up
gives her a new mask
and puts them in an anime world
to be exact in a tornoument arc
jax and ragatha as the villains (just to see how ragatha sucks at being evil and legit couldnt show any malicous intent no matter what)
and pomni,gangle and kinger as the good guys
and lets say that zooble joined in just to see how jax gets beaten up but doesnt partake a role in the tournement
so both get anime characters to be their trainers
And both sides get ganlges crushed (aka husbandos and waifus) to train them
jax does nothing but make sure he can harm the others as hard as he can while pomni and gangle get cute sister moments
so the tournement begins but jax instead of winning and killing everyone gets beaten easlly by others and resorts to cheating
while we get more cute gangle and pomni sis moments like them having fun with some cute pets , gangle gushing over her crushes as pomni listens to gangles rants about their lore
so the final round jax tries to hurt gangle as much as he can and break her mask but he just cant and he loses while gangle and pomni didnt even figth they were just goofing around
so back to the circus and jax gets super mad at gangle and has a big burst of rage and he tries to break gangles mask again but pomni and gangle accually sucsessfully stop him
she cant protevt herself from him on her own but with pomni and or someone else its accually easy
and we get another cute moment with gangle and pomni
as we see jax go into his room and destroy it
jax is slowlly loosing his freedo mto harm others
he is furious that he cant harm them .he is mad that they can defent themselfs
he would scream "I WISH THAT I COULD JUST KILL THOSE $(&%@#)$*( ... hope no one heard it"
HOW WOULD THAT BE FOR A PLOT
oh my god cain is quite litrally a child. wants to be appreiceated, crazy, and wants to stop the world from ending in the ever lasting hell he has been traped in ANSD NO LONGER WILLE LIVRE ENVERY MORE.
I love this video. Love the vibe
So my thing is, these people put on headsets and got transported. Did their entire beings get transported? Or are the others bodies rotting away in the real world since theyve been there so long?
Would you say that Caine is one ‘helluva boss?’ Get it?
Jk
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lol!
Ha ha haaaaa.....
The Angel is called a serephim because of the eyes on its wings
FUN FACT Caine has ad-hd don’t believe me check the bee scene after zooble says Caine probably isn’t listening also 11:14 WHAT THE *bong* IS BRO DOING
i would not say this is EVERY character, but the ones we know most about
Yeah, Ragatha and Gangle aren't included here
We’ll definitely see that things will get worse for Caine and may one day go “What was I made for…?”
Loves the vids
Fist to comment on the first comment 🎉
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I hope gangle gets more development next episode considering they are my favorite character...
bro digital circus just explained how the internet is:
It is shown as fun while also secretly being dark
once you enter you cant escape
bugs
the internet knows your every move but doesn't care about your feelings
Something the creators said about the characters memories, the characters still have all their memories, they just don't remember names.
DIGITAL CICUS IS COLLABING WITH HAZBIN HOTEL AND HELLUVA BOSS WHHHHAAAAAAAAAT
Collabing?
@@CartoonUniverse YAAAAAAAA
I want a theory about if finding out the circus is that is death, the end of your human life and when you find out it’s like Gummiboot so you start losing yourself and get abstracted, Kingler talks about his wife, is good with the shotgun, and seems like he found himself in the spot of the husband who brought the angel. Kingler’s wife would have figure out this is the afterlife try to tell Kingler but he would go under so much stress his mind would forget it. This is just a theory and I think it would be cool for the story to see how the morality of characters go down when people want to end this afterworld so it can stop to get abstracted, I definitely think a mc would die/abstracted
I hope Pomi keeps hanging out with Kinger in the dark, it would be nice for him to have someone he can have a connection with. I also hope that she lets the others know that his mind is clearer in the dark
part of me feels like Jax and Gangle's story is connected but, like the rest, they don't remember. it wouldn't surprise me if they were siblings or partners in the real world, showed up in TADC at separate times, and either have no memory, or in Jax's case, remembers just enough that he focuses his tormenting behavior on Gangle, and the others just because they're there.
One interesting fact about Jax and Gangle's relationship:Jax actually came up with her name
I think Jax simply is an NPC who was never properly completed, so he has the brain of a little boy and the traumas of losing Kinger and Queenie.
Gangle feels like someone that Jax is the most attached to, besides Kaufmo.
i think cain was a human that made the digital circus then he got trapped and has excepted that hes here and doesn’tthink about it
I think this episode shows the importance of loving yourself. Zooble keeps changing and charging parts of herself to the point of disfigurement. Who knows if she even remembers what she originally looked like.
I do agree with the theory that Kinger created the Digital Circus. The hell-like nature, I suspect, is just a design flaw: He neglected to include a way to quit or log out, indicated by Caine's recognition that everybody wants an exit but only understands the concept as a door, did not give Caine an idle mode so he would not be constantly bombarding the residents with adventures, and especially did not account for the possibility of extraction. And, from the looks of things, was unaware of any of these problems until he and his wife decided to beta test it for themselves.
I remember playing KidPix for hours back in the day. I still hear a gruff "Oh No!" in my head when I hit the undo button
Kinger is a gigachad. Bravest mf for real. FNF Carol blessed bro with courage 💯 on goddddddddddddffdd
Intriguing. It hadn't occurred to me that they might be not actual humans, but sort of replicas created by the game. That would explain a few things.
Yeah this show is so dark. I always forget about how dark it is. I mean, "I have no mouth and I must scream" is super dark and effed up and this seems to take inspiration. Which definitely leads me to believe it should go darker and more depressing. Which would be sad too cause I feel so bad for the characters. But this old, colorful style just throws me off cause it makes me so nostalgic for old internet games.
I find it kind of interesting, whether it be by continuity issues or intentional for a deeper meaning, that Cain has the ability to forget things as an AI. Not that when we talk to chat bots that they can’t remember conversational details, but it’s a detail worth noting since it’s been rehashed apparently numerous times. There is a level of consciousness we’re glossing over a bit.
13:41 if this is so, he’s probably portrayed as the form of a king because he is the actual king of the circus, or at least he was.
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or perhaps, as Kinger's story is a parallel version of the story of Martha Mildenhall's husband, it is likely that Kinger had tried to protect his wife from something within the circus, but his obsession with protecting her ended up making him a danger to his own wife, thus causing her to be distracted.
0:00 that’s a nice hallway, you ever see a hallway that nice?
Nice.
Caine being an AI and not an actual person is probably the most horrific aspect of the circus.
Imagine being stuck with someone who has no concept of emotion and doesn’t know how or why you think the way you do
I think I would try to end my lifu, if I were stuck there leaving behind my family and my cat
your point on pomni stands more as in episode 2 she was pretty much the one comforting gummygoo while having a existencial crisis and finding a solution despite being in a bad situation she probably would have freaked out if she was alone
I'm waiting for that bee to show up as a character in the next adventure
On abstraction, I believe one can also abstract if they give up all hope and succumb to despair. The first glimpse we see of Kaufmo's room in episode 1 has endless scribbles of his obsession looking for an exit. As there's no known way out, he likely gave up his will to keep going. In episode 2, the despair eating at Pomni is shown as the nightmare she has of being cast into the cellar. At the end of the episode, she's saved from that nightmare by the friends she is making in the circus. They are the bonds that keep her going.
Makes me wonder if kinger is being piloted, or at least watched, by a real person, and during that adventure he was like "wait this adventure is cool" and took manual control
Something I would like to bring up is that in another video, someone made a theory that Caine had accidentally or purposely misplaced the abstract into the ep3 map (hence why when those souls possessed Pomni, they asked “how’s ur wife, Kinger?) to finally put some use into them so they don’t completely destroy themselves
Theory: Jax secretly has Athazagoraphobia: The fear of being forgotten. He terrorizes everyone he says to entertain himself, but it's seems like it's more for attention. When no one bothered asking him to join the funeral (most likely expecting him to do something disrespectful), is probably why he felt sad. If everyone grew apathetic to him, he'd probably start to go insane. The bully realized after they bullied everyone, nobody wanted to be around them.
oh boy, just made me think about the abstracted characters that are put down in the hole, i wonder if after an extended period of darkness they're subjected to they start to calm down enough to comprehend just how horrible the situation they're in is ):