a little blue tape on that front face of the rail before you apply epoxy prevents all that dried epoxy on the visible face of the rail. also better to use a non fast cure epoxy for adhesive. the fast cure epoxy is brittle and more likely to snap off the desk if you put repeated downward force on that rail. lots of surface area though. the trick is don't over-clamp and squeeze out all the adhesive. wouldn't be a bad idea to fillet the back edge with a bead of thickened epoxy, since a lot of the glue will get squeezed out by the clamping.
I love that you sanded down the surface of the rail before applying glue for better adhesion. We call that a Grade B surface prep at the Satellite manufacturing facility where I work at ;)
That's awesome. I would really recommend getting yourself a nice chair that allows you to swivel both your arm rests up vertically out of the way though.
I was thinking about how to do exactly this after playing SC for a while, because I wanted to use flight sticks. I already made my desk out of construction lumber lol, so my idea was to just devise some crude "flip" platform that my sticks could attach to and be folded under when not in use. I had no idea this kind of stuff already existed, so might try it instead.
This is the stuff I like to see! Particularly how you solved attaching it to the desk with the glue, sanding it down and using one screw to lock the mounts, keeping the mouse extension on the left attached to the left stick mount. That was fresh to see, and shows good versatility, and shows that you can customize it to your own liking quite easily. I would like to see a simple dead-stop or brake feature like you mentioned with the left-over bolt you had. That way you can for example, lift a little lever/button/paddle that's attached to the rail or mounts that prevents the mounts to move > then move the mounts in/out to the position you've screwed in the dead-stop / brake point where you want it to stop and it can sit tightly while remaining easy to move in and out of the way. Mainly because constantly screwing the stops would add some unnecessary wear and tear to the metal which over time could make it a bit loose, and a brake would be much less cumbersome and finnicky to fiddle with under the desk. The swivel accessory on the chair mount could benefit from the same but with a "swivel indent" so you can screw in the swivel with the indent at "position 1", facing the "in-use" direction, then adjust the outer inden for "position 2" in the "out of the way" direction, and simply lift a brake lever and move the mounts in and out of position 1 and 2 as you please with ease. As the rails did seem to stutter slightly as you moved them, it might be a viable solution to find some kind of small wheel baring-like piece to put on the mounts so they can slide in/out of position easier as well, to make it smoother. Smooth is fast, after all. Another thing I was thinking was the chair-to-stick positioning. Part of the reason I went with chair-mount over desk mount was that I like to have the sticks in the same position relative to where I'm sitting, so having them on the chair seems natural to me as if it's a cockpit seat or simpit where the sticks are just there all the time, with the option to move them out of the way. So while using the desk-mount or rail-mount, if there was a way to attach two neodymium magnets to plate or piece of metal under the WarBRD bases and a similar piece to the chair's armrests, that would allow you to "click into place" as you like it with the chair, and make the chair positioning easier with the option to move away super easily. As for the rail-desk-mount, it seems to allow for that tighter stick axis setup while keeping it comfortable to use as a normal desk when you want, as the wobble from the chair-mount requires larger dead-zones to avoid it and with a completely still mount you can take advantage of the stability to hone in your stick precision even more, nice 👍 I'm liking the simplicity of these reviews as well man, the videography and shot-angles were well done. Easy to follow, easy to see what was going on and the overview pans were clean. 10/10, might have to consider rail mounts now.
This is a great addition to MT product line-up. My only critic is that the sliders profile is too wide. I use the sticks without the keyboard support and I push both sticks to the same side of the desk, but because the sliders are much wider than flight sticks, I can't make them flush against each other and that eats precious space. Still a good solution, but could be much better if the sliders used both rails and were narrower.
This is Perfect ! will definitely be my next project. now to get rid of my old corner desk since the curved surface won't be good for a rail ! thanks for sharing
I use a Thrustmaster T flight X or one of the same looking models i dont remember. I just cut some wood to tne shape of those bendy Vice grips so itfits to the shape of each part, then i screwed each wood piece to surround each half of the Hotas to keep it in place for forward and back moving and properly tied them down so they dont move with Zip ties, its ugly but works and my chair isnt one to be regularly moved so no shaking. I also put a small mouse pad under my wrist in case i need it when someones taking up space beside me, and on the left side a "Mount for my keyboard" like the way it looks in Elite.
neat setup. Im still looking for a faster way to transition from Flight sticks to FPS in star citizen. I'm part of a small org of friends who do kill-team operations (such as strike team insertion etc) which requires the us to be able to switch from flight to FPS quickly.
I love your setups, I considered the rail, but I ordered a chair set up, and I will just use a second chair. I do standing desk stuff often so, that's my solutions.
I love this setup. My question is whenever you leave your ship to do bunker missions or any fps how do you quickly transition to the larger mousepad and keyboard on your desk? Sometimes you need to land fast and get into fps mode.
Exactly ^^^ Seriously I need a video/example of the best setup to handle this. You cannot stand up and slide these things aside WHENEVER you go into the RPG/Shooter side of things in Star Citizen.
This is the issue I'm having. I want a mounting system that allows me to quickly and easily transition from having my hands on my sticks to then a normal FPS position with my hands on keyboard and mouse. I don't really like the idea of this set up where the mouse and small keyboard are so far apart from each other.
This is a very cool setup.. but can you add a throttle AND the virpil left stick (with extension) AND a steering wheel setup for sim racing? That's what I want. I will build a custom desk.. no prob.. but I need a slide away for my 61 key keyboard, a second slideaway that is sturdy for mouse/keyboard area, and I need the dual throttle setup for SC and a throttle for DCS but also a shifter and ebrake and steering wheel option for sim racing stuff. Can you add/remove a steering wheel and such easy enough? I dont want to have to remove tons of stuff just to slid in a wheel. NEeds to be like hot swap easy.
Looks great, but its a shame they're not spring loaded quick locking... Monstertech, add some stoppers and quick lock/unlock and these are an amazing product.
They need to have a dual rail system. A single rail gives too much of a flex/pivot point when downward pressure is applied. This will eventually lead to the screws working out of the desk as well as the rail warping/bending.
Not sure I’m a fan of having to stand up and two-hand jerk the mounts into and out of position. Maybe the rails can be lubed for smoother one handed operation?
That was very informative, thank you. I can see how this would be an improvement in terms of stability and stowing from the chair mounts, but I am not convinced this compares as favourably to the regular clamp-based desk mounts. stability is better with a clamp, and moving them away requires just to unclamp-slide-reclamp. so what am I missing with the rails sliding system? I guess it is a question of having multiple things to relocate, but even then your two side extensions are light and go on a single clamp mount anyway.
I think the under desk rail mount needs a right angle to it towards the back of the desk to stop the rail from pulling twisting loose. ps I need a better setup lol
Hey, very nice video which comes very close to my recent thought process on how to deal with two sticks. You did reinforce my plan to mount the sticks to the desk and thanks to your video I now know that I can mount some mousepad onto the monstertech mounts. I think I will do that too! Can you tell me, which USB hub you are using (it's an active one, no?)? I tried checking Amazon, but all that stuff there just screams "Alibaba" so I try to get more information to make a choice. Thx in advance!
with the gladiator nxt evo's you can have one stick as a joystick and throttle at the same time there actually consider to be in the top 5 best joystick for star citizen and any flight game though for your setup the base maybe a problem
Do you prefer this method, I currently have a virpil joystick and throttle attached to my secret lab chair, I need the mouse and keyboard for star citizen and I am on the fence of getting monstertechs mouse attachment for the chairs or converting it to the table mounts.
I wish I could do this. I've owned my alphas for about a week now, but due to my curved desk, I've had to attach my sticks to my Aeron using flimsy monitor arms. I'm also using the warBrd bases and have yet to come up with a quick and easy dismounting solution. I wish I'd done some more research on the bases, because they don't work well with quick mounting and dismounting as the cable is hard attached to the electronics inside the base. I've done the same as you with the "umbilical cord" and I find it really annoying so I basically take everything off the chair when I'm not playing any flight simulator. All in all, I probably wouldn't have done all this had I known how much of a hassle they'd be.
I use a short one foot long USB extension cord from the USB hub on my chair that plugs into a longer USB cable that goes to the PC. I can unplug that connection easily to move the chair around. It also gives one more point of safety in case i accidentally forget and push the chair back. Instead of ripping out a cable, it will unplug at that point.
If MT is reading this please consider some type of quick connects like those that are used for picatinny rails… actually making a rail that connects out of picatinny then a quick disconnect that fits into your extruded aluminum would be really nice and open the door to even more accessories!
Hello. Nice video to tart with. I want to build the same, but want to ask u this... The mousepad extentions, are the ones you bought from the previous setup? ie when i order mine, i buy the base from the rail menu, and the mousepad extentions from the 'chair' menu , on the webshop ? (i want the left joystick/mousepad and the right to be one solid unit, not 2 and 2)
@@BlackMaze Many many thanks for the reply! Any chance you updated left of right grip with a Z-extention to see if it can move freely without touching the mousepad?
Before you get excited his set up (just the mounts not the sticks or anything) would cost around 600 usd not including taxes or shipping I'll stick to 70 dollars for 2 lever released mounts I can list flip a lever move over out of the way and tighten the lever Takes me like 5 seconds to do and I mean that literally
This really makes me want to build a new desk just so I can use this mount system. That's glorious! Side note, your link to your Alpha bindings doesn't work anymore. Do you have the bindings for your Alpha Primes posted anywhere?
I want to buy this exact setup but the page is in another language and i got really confused to witch parts I need can some one tell me what are the components
They don't look like they slide super easy, like they bind up a but if the force applied is not 100% in the horizontal direction. Also that wobbly desk is sketchy af. all of that looks like it's just waiting for a random chair slide or over use of force to break something.
I like your setup. Was going to do something like that myself. Monster tech has some good solutions, but their stuff is way overpriced for what it is. I will be buying other than monster tech.
I wish they could implement something like the person in this video did: ruclips.net/video/VWXf6EsfZ4c/видео.html&lc=UgysRAfq5c7TanY39KF4AaABAg.A4HAZNAM4vyA4HaAU05BmA He made it easier and faster to get hotas out of the way or bring them back in. Perhaps you could suggest this to Monstertech since you talk with them?
a little blue tape on that front face of the rail before you apply epoxy prevents all that dried epoxy on the visible face of the rail. also better to use a non fast cure epoxy for adhesive. the fast cure epoxy is brittle and more likely to snap off the desk if you put repeated downward force on that rail. lots of surface area though. the trick is don't over-clamp and squeeze out all the adhesive. wouldn't be a bad idea to fillet the back edge with a bead of thickened epoxy, since a lot of the glue will get squeezed out by the clamping.
I love that you sanded down the surface of the rail before applying glue for better adhesion. We call that a Grade B surface prep at the Satellite manufacturing facility where I work at ;)
Haha thanks, Shack! Gotta make sure the entire thing doesn’t come down while flying 🤣
with that amount of epoxy I doubt it would be a problem 🤣
We call that common sense at the household i was raised at
That's awesome. I would really recommend getting yourself a nice chair that allows you to swivel both your arm rests up vertically out of the way though.
Man I've been looking for something exactly like this for a potential space sim setup, great vid thanks for sharing!
I was thinking about how to do exactly this after playing SC for a while, because I wanted to use flight sticks. I already made my desk out of construction lumber lol, so my idea was to just devise some crude "flip" platform that my sticks could attach to and be folded under when not in use. I had no idea this kind of stuff already existed, so might try it instead.
This is the stuff I like to see!
Particularly how you solved attaching it to the desk with the glue, sanding it down and using one screw to lock the mounts, keeping the mouse extension on the left attached to the left stick mount. That was fresh to see, and shows good versatility, and shows that you can customize it to your own liking quite easily.
I would like to see a simple dead-stop or brake feature like you mentioned with the left-over bolt you had. That way you can for example, lift a little lever/button/paddle that's attached to the rail or mounts that prevents the mounts to move > then move the mounts in/out to the position you've screwed in the dead-stop / brake point where you want it to stop and it can sit tightly while remaining easy to move in and out of the way.
Mainly because constantly screwing the stops would add some unnecessary wear and tear to the metal which over time could make it a bit loose, and a brake would be much less cumbersome and finnicky to fiddle with under the desk. The swivel accessory on the chair mount could benefit from the same but with a "swivel indent" so you can screw in the swivel with the indent at "position 1", facing the "in-use" direction, then adjust the outer inden for "position 2" in the "out of the way" direction, and simply lift a brake lever and move the mounts in and out of position 1 and 2 as you please with ease.
As the rails did seem to stutter slightly as you moved them, it might be a viable solution to find some kind of small wheel baring-like piece to put on the mounts so they can slide in/out of position easier as well, to make it smoother. Smooth is fast, after all.
Another thing I was thinking was the chair-to-stick positioning. Part of the reason I went with chair-mount over desk mount was that I like to have the sticks in the same position relative to where I'm sitting, so having them on the chair seems natural to me as if it's a cockpit seat or simpit where the sticks are just there all the time, with the option to move them out of the way.
So while using the desk-mount or rail-mount, if there was a way to attach two neodymium magnets to plate or piece of metal under the WarBRD bases and a similar piece to the chair's armrests, that would allow you to "click into place" as you like it with the chair, and make the chair positioning easier with the option to move away super easily.
As for the rail-desk-mount, it seems to allow for that tighter stick axis setup while keeping it comfortable to use as a normal desk when you want, as the wobble from the chair-mount requires larger dead-zones to avoid it and with a completely still mount you can take advantage of the stability to hone in your stick precision even more, nice 👍
I'm liking the simplicity of these reviews as well man, the videography and shot-angles were well done. Easy to follow, easy to see what was going on and the overview pans were clean. 10/10, might have to consider rail mounts now.
Thx Star 🥰
This is a great addition to MT product line-up. My only critic is that the sliders profile is too wide. I use the sticks without the keyboard support and I push both sticks to the same side of the desk, but because the sliders are much wider than flight sticks, I can't make them flush against each other and that eats precious space. Still a good solution, but could be much better if the sliders used both rails and were narrower.
This is Perfect ! will definitely be my next project. now to get rid of my old corner desk since the curved surface won't be good for a rail ! thanks for sharing
Impressive to see how monstertech can sell some rails and gliders for this price.
Yeah, the MonsterTech stuff is really, and I mean _really_ expensive for what it is.
awesome setup. i love that rail system and that's what I'll be getting myself for christmas.
If you want a dead stop - use a 4040 extrusion T Slot nut with an 8mm Grub screw.
Clean. As expected from BlackMaze. 🙂
I use a Thrustmaster T flight X or one of the same looking models i dont remember. I just cut some wood to tne shape of those bendy Vice grips so itfits to the shape of each part, then i screwed each wood piece to surround each half of the Hotas to keep it in place for forward and back moving and properly tied them down so they dont move with Zip ties, its ugly but works and my chair isnt one to be regularly moved so no shaking. I also put a small mouse pad under my wrist in case i need it when someones taking up space beside me, and on the left side a "Mount for my keyboard" like the way it looks in Elite.
neat setup.
Im still looking for a faster way to transition from Flight sticks to FPS in star citizen. I'm part of a small org of friends who do kill-team operations (such as strike team insertion etc) which requires the us to be able to switch from flight to FPS quickly.
This is what I'm looking for, did you find anything?
@@Magus322 No truth be told i stopped looking.
I love your setups, I considered the rail, but I ordered a chair set up, and I will just use a second chair. I do standing desk stuff often so, that's my solutions.
Do they have a smaller mouse pads available?
Just that little gamepad on one side and then a trackball on the other side.
I love this setup. My question is whenever you leave your ship to do bunker missions or any fps how do you quickly transition to the larger mousepad and keyboard on your desk? Sometimes you need to land fast and get into fps mode.
Exactly ^^^ Seriously I need a video/example of the best setup to handle this. You cannot stand up and slide these things aside WHENEVER you go into the RPG/Shooter side of things in Star Citizen.
Looks like he used a small wasd keyboard on the left mount and mouse on the right, just outside each stick
This is the issue I'm having. I want a mounting system that allows me to quickly and easily transition from having my hands on my sticks to then a normal FPS position with my hands on keyboard and mouse. I don't really like the idea of this set up where the mouse and small keyboard are so far apart from each other.
can you do a long term review of this setup
This is a very cool setup.. but can you add a throttle AND the virpil left stick (with extension) AND a steering wheel setup for sim racing? That's what I want. I will build a custom desk.. no prob.. but I need a slide away for my 61 key keyboard, a second slideaway that is sturdy for mouse/keyboard area, and I need the dual throttle setup for SC and a throttle for DCS but also a shifter and ebrake and steering wheel option for sim racing stuff. Can you add/remove a steering wheel and such easy enough? I dont want to have to remove tons of stuff just to slid in a wheel. NEeds to be like hot swap easy.
Looks great, but its a shame they're not spring loaded quick locking... Monstertech, add some stoppers and quick lock/unlock and these are an amazing product.
How does it hold up here 1 year later?
They need to have a dual rail system. A single rail gives too much of a flex/pivot point when downward pressure is applied. This will eventually lead to the screws working out of the desk as well as the rail warping/bending.
Not sure I’m a fan of having to stand up and two-hand jerk the mounts into and out of position. Maybe the rails can be lubed for smoother one handed operation?
For sure! I’m planning to something to make the entire thing slide a little better.
@@BlackMaze please update us!
How about they add some kind of programmable keys on side or if it is possible to do it urself extra stuff never hurts
They need a quick detent system for quick sliding and locking into place
For 600 dollars you'd think they would have it
Omg mine also came with Gummies haha. Love it! 😂
And here I thought I was special!
Where can I buy the product?
I too miss your file for the dual stick setup. I can’t find the file i downloaded for the stick setup. Would love to have it again.
What’s the name of this system I can only find the one that clamps on
That was very informative, thank you. I can see how this would be an improvement in terms of stability and stowing from the chair mounts, but I am not convinced this compares as favourably to the regular clamp-based desk mounts. stability is better with a clamp, and moving them away requires just to unclamp-slide-reclamp. so what am I missing with the rails sliding system?
I guess it is a question of having multiple things to relocate, but even then your two side extensions are light and go on a single clamp mount anyway.
MonsterTech is just too expensive for what it is.
I think the under desk rail mount needs a right angle to it towards the back of the desk to stop the rail from pulling twisting loose. ps I need a better setup lol
Hey, very nice video which comes very close to my recent thought process on how to deal with two sticks. You did reinforce my plan to mount the sticks to the desk and thanks to your video I now know that I can mount some mousepad onto the monstertech mounts. I think I will do that too!
Can you tell me, which USB hub you are using (it's an active one, no?)? I tried checking Amazon, but all that stuff there just screams "Alibaba" so I try to get more information to make a choice. Thx in advance!
o7 I use www.tp-link.com/en/home-networking/usb-hub-and-converter/uh700/
@@BlackMaze thx mate!
with the gladiator nxt evo's you can have one stick as a joystick and throttle at the same time there actually consider to be in the top 5 best joystick for star citizen and any flight game though for your setup the base maybe a problem
Would love to try this for gundam evolution
Do you prefer this method, I currently have a virpil joystick and throttle attached to my secret lab chair, I need the mouse and keyboard for star citizen and I am on the fence of getting monstertechs mouse attachment for the chairs or converting it to the table mounts.
What a coincidence, the channel sponsor had the exact solution for your needs. I am totally shocked. /sarcasm
I wish I could do this. I've owned my alphas for about a week now, but due to my curved desk, I've had to attach my sticks to my Aeron using flimsy monitor arms. I'm also using the warBrd bases and have yet to come up with a quick and easy dismounting solution. I wish I'd done some more research on the bases, because they don't work well with quick mounting and dismounting as the cable is hard attached to the electronics inside the base. I've done the same as you with the "umbilical cord" and I find it really annoying so I basically take everything off the chair when I'm not playing any flight simulator. All in all, I probably wouldn't have done all this had I known how much of a hassle they'd be.
Oof I can see the struggle. You could always modify your desk, make something yourself, to fit the rail maybe.
I use a short one foot long USB extension cord from the USB hub on my chair that plugs into a longer USB cable that goes to the PC. I can unplug that connection easily to move the chair around. It also gives one more point of safety in case i accidentally forget and push the chair back. Instead of ripping out a cable, it will unplug at that point.
What are the bases for the virple sticks? As I’m paralysed waist down and need a twist rudder option which I struggle to find.
I have a metal desk ($ecret lab) I wonder how'd I do the same thing.
If MT is reading this please consider some type of quick connects like those that are used for picatinny rails… actually making a rail that connects out of picatinny then a quick disconnect that fits into your extruded aluminum would be really nice and open the door to even more accessories!
What is your keybind setup for dual stick?
Hello. Nice video to tart with. I want to build the same, but want to ask u this... The mousepad extentions, are the ones you bought from the previous setup? ie when i order mine, i buy the base from the rail menu, and the mousepad extentions from the 'chair' menu , on the webshop ?
(i want the left joystick/mousepad and the right to be one solid unit, not 2 and 2)
These are the mouse extensions meant for the desk mounts!
@@BlackMaze Many many thanks for the reply!
Any chance you updated left of right grip with a Z-extention to see if it can move freely without touching the mousepad?
Before you get excited his set up (just the mounts not the sticks or anything) would cost around 600 usd not including taxes or shipping
I'll stick to 70 dollars for 2 lever released mounts I can list flip a lever move over out of the way and tighten the lever
Takes me like 5 seconds to do and I mean that literally
I know it maybe annoying but can I have the links for your stuff (the rails and the mounts and the joysticks) as I'm unable to find them .....
DUDE PLEASE REPOST YOUR BINDINGS XML please and please export your virpil software curves
This really makes me want to build a new desk just so I can use this mount system. That's glorious! Side note, your link to your Alpha bindings doesn't work anymore. Do you have the bindings for your Alpha Primes posted anywhere?
I want to buy this exact setup but the page is in another language and i got really confused to witch parts I need can some one tell me what are the components
www.monster.tech/en/product/slide-rail/
www.monster.tech/en/product/joystick-hotas-rail-mount/
www.monster.tech/en/product/mouse-extension-for-table-mount/
They don't look like they slide super easy, like they bind up a but if the force applied is not 100% in the horizontal direction. Also that wobbly desk is sketchy af. all of that looks like it's just waiting for a random chair slide or over use of force to break something.
It's crazy how much they charge you for some din rail.....
@8:40 if only you were rich, as you use a dual virpil constellation setup.
Well that's not coming off! :)
I like your setup. Was going to do something like that myself. Monster tech has some good solutions, but their stuff is way overpriced for what it is. I will be buying other than monster tech.
Price for this is half of my two alpha primes. What a joke I will make it by myself.
All realy cool and nice but 400 Euros for only mounting is to much. Even if the quality is as good as they are
Nice ad.
I wish they could implement something like the person in this video did: ruclips.net/video/VWXf6EsfZ4c/видео.html&lc=UgysRAfq5c7TanY39KF4AaABAg.A4HAZNAM4vyA4HaAU05BmA He made it easier and faster to get hotas out of the way or bring them back in. Perhaps you could suggest this to Monstertech since you talk with them?
i dont like being so far behind, is it just me??
Once they add Master Modes this will all be useless. It makes me angry!
How do master modes make this set up useless?
@@Ellis01234567890 master modes will hobble joysticks to make it fair to compete with those using controllers.
It looks way more clumby .... you have to screw and unscrew it to move the mounts? No thank you