Unloading the Carlton Radial Arm Drill
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2018
- I had by buddy Joe from the welding shop come by with his forklift to help me unload the Carlton.
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Friends are great, but friends with access to medium and heavy-duty machinery are greater.
I ran a radial arm drill press when I worked in Allenport Steel Mill which was 30 miles south of Pittsburgh PA. It was a little bigger than yours. It was the only job I could get in the machine shop because i was not a machinist. It was that or the saw operator. I’m glad I got the drill press. I loved it! Now I play with my round ram Bridgeport and 1024 Jet Lathe. Still a wannabe machinist, but I am a hack compared to you. Thanks for teaching me so much.
To bad you didn't make that deal for the grinder before I took him the shaper! Could have just thrown that thing on too!
Boy a buddy with a forklift that's a good buddy to have!
What a beast of a machine!
Cheers from Tokyo Japan!
i predict this will be inside within a few weeks
I like that manitou ! really useful tool.
So cool Adam. Great addition to the shop. I can’t wait to get my hands on that awesome grinder. Jason
I moved machines for a living, pick that up from the front like you are looking at the collem. Chain and binder around the plate to hold it on the forks then a large ratchet strap around collem to the rack on the forks and pick up and tilt forward under the door tilt back up when inside I've done it many times. Just a suggestion love your videos
I totally agree. If this was my beautiful drill and there was room inside, even marginally, it would be in there before that fork left. It would do my head in having it vulnerable.
Everyone, the drill is fine outside the shop. Yall need to go back and look at the really old videos. The Kearns HBM at Motion was at the original Booth shop and it was kept OUTDOORS under a tarp. It'll be fine; its perfect where its at. Adam knows what hes doing and he knows that he wants.
Adam, you need to pull out some old pics from the old shop where you're outside on a sunny day working on the Kearns.
Nice job Adam and good job horse trading. Speaking of trading, I have something that you want and need. I'd like to do some horse trading with ya as well for some things I know you likely have extras of. This is something that will be handy for you in the near future for your fireball tool fixture plate production project.
Ok, now I feel like a dolt. I paused the video to make my comment above. Went to eat dinner and just came back to watch the rest of the video and Adam goes into the story of Kearns being outdoors. lol. -sigh-
12:33 well, if it tips over, then at least you could get it in the shop!
Take it apart and get it inside. Take the arm off, take the column off and reassemble it inside.
Just lie it down, no need to dissasemble.
@@robinszemeti3085 That works too, but if you have it apart, you can clean it up really well.
If I remember correctly This Old Tony has a shrink ray.😉
instablaster.
That's the spirit! If machine won't fit get a bigger shop!
Hey Adam, watching you run around now vs 12 months ago, you’re looking way more nimble and light on your feet. Keep up the hard work man, lookin’ good!
Oh Adam. The height of the door is challenge not an impediment. Lay it back at 45 degrees (or whatever angle it likes to balance at) in the orientation it is and it will fit under that door, no problem ;) Now you just need to fabricate a cradle ...
Adam, call Brian Bloc to help you get it into your shop. He knows how to break them down into smaller pieces. (;
Hey Adam! Build yourself a transport-"jig"? so you can tilt the Carlton 30ish Degrees so it gets into you shop! weld it with some square tubing. So it get rigid enough and you can use your pallet racking to move it inside?
Nice mashine you got there.. As always Im envy of your shop! :)
Adam, find a rigging company nearby. They can rig the drill into your shop as long as the ceiling will allow the drill to fit. Many of those crews are wizards at getting heavy equipment into small shops like that.
11:37 - looks like your handwheel is out of alignment by a few thousandths 🙂
Haha
Adam, the quality of your videos has gotten so professional looking, and the color is just popping on this one. So, master machinist and video photographer!
Abom respect to your forklift driver, as a pro forklift Op he got skills.
Pass that on please.
I really enjoy you sharing your videos! Watching your videos, and seeing stuff like your "new" drill brings back a lot of memories.
I love machining machinery. I spent quite a few years on three Navy ships. Two repair ships, AD-44 and AS-36, and an aircraft carrier, CVN-71. Both repair ships had pretty incredible capabilities. A machine shop, weld shop, sheet metal shop, and even a foundry. The carrier's metal shops were great too. I was a welder but found myself nudging my way over into the machine shop learning the basics of running the lathe and the mill as often as I could. We made some cool projects over the years.
It amazes me the access to great equipment y’all have access to, in 🇨🇦 these are damn hard to find at a decent price. God Bless
Wow--Saw your breath in Florida. That must have been a state emergency! Great score Adam--congrats.
Radial drills come in handy I always remember seeing at least one in each aerospace job shop I went into over the years, they are good to us for the throat depth and continued accuracy. Nice tool for Abom.
Nice machine, can't wait to see it in operation. BTW, with a running start it might have fit right into the shop... just a little touch up required after...
You could take it off the base and move it inside and cut a small hole in the ceiling if you need and re assemble it inside
What a handy piece of equipment, that crab steering mode certainly is slick!
What a great lift, it’s nice to have friends with cool equipment. I hope you get a big shop in 2019. Happy new year to you all.
Congratulations on your new machine. I look forward to seeing it in use!
I know it wouldn’t be easy but surely you can tilt the machine using the forks and straps and put some fail safes in place and it will go in the shop
Loved using these. Used to even tap 4mm holes in 6mm plates by the hundreds on these, only broke a few taps.
Those little 5519 Telehandlers are a godsend. Get em in anywhere!
I used to run a couple radial arm drill presses at my old job. The first one was an older one that worked great and was leveled really well. The arm would sit still once you let the locks loose and lining holes up was a breeze. Then they decided they wanted us to use a different one that had been sitting for a long period of time and was newer. The new one was fairly nice and had buttons instead of levers to do anything and was a bit bigger. But, for some reason they decided to build a platform for it to sit on. It was a bit bigger than the base and was about 10" tall. I'm a short dude standing at about 5'6" so after they put it on the platform i could barely reach the controls. Especially on taller parts. The top of the table was about at the level of my stomach. I would have to go find a crate or something to stand on to operate it. And they never leveled it so anytime you unlocked the arm so that it could swing you would have to fight to keep it from swinging backwards while lining up the hole you wanted to drill. Never understood why they did that.
Well I know why... It was cuz whoever put the new drill in your shop . . . . . did not T H I N K !
That is a NICE small forklift! Years ago I worked for an engine manufacturer and we had some smaller ones. Then there was the "Big Machine". Hyster or Yale IIRC. Since I had my cert I was one of three people allowed to use it. We got it cheap with a lunched 4-cyl Diesel. Put a turbocharged 6 in it. That thing was a MONSTER! Hydrostat on all four wheels. Outside it would smoke all tires. Had to develop the right "touch" with the old girl. Twitchy thing. Had to stay out of boost unless lifting something REALLY heavy!
Very happy to see you using the corrosion inhibitor.
A lot of people don't realize that tarping a machine outdoors, no matter how well, doesn't negate the corrosion that can occur from concentrated and condensed humidity.
Basically, no matter how good of a tarp you use, if you don't prevent water from running under the canopy of the tarp, you've pretty much just created a "humidor" of sorts for your machine. Run-off ground water under the tarp will evaporate and raise the humidity under / inside the tarp to where the humidity will more easily condense on the bare metal surfaces. This can cause corrosion /rust on any part of the machine that is accessible to the elevated humidity.
yep and some huge bags of silica gel would help a lot as well.
I’d bet that between you and Brian Block and one full weekend you’d be able to dis-assemble, move in, then re-assemble (with a little creativity and fabrication thrown in) . But it’s your shop, and your stuff, so whatever you do with is your call 😂😂👍👍. Love the vids, and the content. Was a real treat to meet you and Brian both at the SMW Open House in ‘17. Keep up the good work!
Back about 1997 of so I started trips to Seattle, Wa. a few times a year. About a 5-6 hr run from my place in Oregon. Soon after I discovered Boeing Surplus. Everything that you can imagine that you could use in the airplane business went thru there. Lots of old macninery, grinders like you showed, were cheap, like 150-200 bucks. All the machinery I saw there was way too big for my humble hobby shop. Once, there was 3 pallet boxes full of morse taper shank drills for 3 bucks a pound. Up to around 3" or so. I got all my wallet would stand. With #3 shanks. Sadly, they're now closed to the public. I heard that they're selling big lots to Ebay sellers, and other dealers, but I don't know for sure.
With the help of Manittou, he would be able to tilt it by using the harnesses, push behind the door and stand up.
That’s my next purchase at my shop a radial arm drill press. I passed up on an old brown and zortman. I did however pickup a setco 20” wheel pedestal grinder from the same spot 😉 they make life a lot easier love the channel!!!!
I'd love to have something like that in the shop. It's one of those drills that you don't use often, but comes in so incredibly handy when you do need it!
Can't wait to see that beast eat some metal. Thank's for sharing, & and Happy New Year to you & family.
Abom you could take it to bits and rebuild it in the shop make a dome in the roof if needed just a thought, people do it with car ramps for hight.
Best solution i have seen. He has that gantry and pallet jack
I ran one of those off and on for years in our shop. I've bid on a few several times, but never won an auction. I think it would be a bit of a waste inside your shop, because it would take up so much room and/or limit its universality. The really hard part is to find a tilting work table that hasn't had a bunch of holes drilled in it by inattentive operators. Anyway, love the radial arm drill, they can be really handy for drilling/tapping bulky, heavy, or odd shaped pieces. Good score, they don't come along very often at the right price, so you definitely have to jump at the opportunity when it presents itself, and worry about the details later.
Love the drill...great addition to the shop, or at least the outside of the shop!
That drill deserves its own shed.
One of the oil field machine shops I worked in used 2 of those to drill bolt holes in valve flanges. They had and attachment that drilled 4 holes at once, so an 8 hole pattern was easy. :) Good find there.
Hi Adam,
Happy Holidays to you, Abby, and the family.
Adam, spray under the base too so it won't rust from the bottom up. Glad you got it moved and it looks like a wonderful machine!
Best wishes,
Eric
Always nice to have a buddy with a mini gradall.
Adam, I respect you and would never try to tell you, your business. That being said, from one ol county boy to another, is it possible to unbolt the column from the base to allow the machine to be moved inside? Just an idea. By doing that, you could use the forks to hold the radial arm off the ground while still giving it support. Also, not sure if you have room inside for the foot print or height to assemble. Sure you getting lots of Monday morning quarterbacking and I don't want this sound like that. Where I live, guys come and ask me how to get it done because I think outside the box all the time.
+1 for the new shop idea. You could probably double the size of the shop and still be wanting for a little more space.
Dude: I'm reading all the comments, telling you how to get the thing into your shop, and I'm surprised not one guy has mentioned just getting a can of Acme Anti-Gravity Spray. Luddites.
watcherjohnny Yup. A good idea, is a good idea.
You could build a frame to roll it into the shop while it is tipped over, and lift it back straight in the shop. Just a thought!
Glad you had a professional move it for you. He had the right equipment. :)
Hi Adam,
first of all i want to thank you for an awesome year on youtube and hope you have a great holiday season. I wish you all the best for 2019.
Almost the same as the one I used to use drilling ball races for semi turn tables, except the beast I operated had an Amp meter to monitor the load on the motor.
Nice old beast you've got yourself there it'l still be going long after we're gone LOL.........
Time to expand the building around the new drill. Just like "THE IRONWORKER" did some time ago for his HBM on his youtube channel. Awesome stuff there Adam. Best of the season.
Good Lord, the thing is huge! There's a guy on another RUclips channel who has a 7 foot Carlton. Either he's small or the machine is gigantic. Can't wait to see you get your drill press up and running like you did with your shaper! Happy New Year!
I know you will do the right thing. Happy New Year.
build a steel jig to lean the thing at 45 degree angle or whatever , move it into the shop , then upright it , or find a forklift that can fit through the door , lean it and chain it to the back rack , and drive it in , and upright it ... if you have enough ceiling height to upright it if it was laying on it's side , a dual line tow truck boom could lift it , flip it sideways in midair , push the boom into the building , and then stand it up as it's set down , it looks like that would be the easiest way , to bad I am in TN , if I was close I would volunteer me and a wrecker just so I could say I have done that , never moved one of them before a few lathes and a bridgeport or 2 , last bridgeport I moved I used the big wrecker and the guy took some of the tin off his shop roof , and cut out a truss , I set it in through the roof LOL the whole neighborhood came to see that lol
Can't wait to see the walls going up on your new concrete. haha!!
they are nice to work with, congrats on getting a good deal on it
I knew that drill wouldn't fit in your shop when i saw it, have used that size at work in the past. My mind told me something else has been up for a while now........... I'm excited for the next chapter Adam. Enough said.
B.McP.
Looks like a brother to one that Keith Rucker rebuilt. What a beast.
The machines are taking over Adam, they're outgrowing the shop! lol Cheers.
If you want to put it into the shop eventually, you can use your block & tackle to tip and hold that press to an angle that will allow it to be put in place. Then use the B&T to upright it in the shop.
Nice drilling machine. Congratulations! (and for the drill)
We use CRC 3-36 MULTI-PURPOSE LUBRICANT & CORROSION INHIBITOR but for interior stuff, its the best, the oil kind of goes creeps and protects
Great video and good luck with your machine!
I am sure you will figure something out. A removable piece above the door all nice and reinforced is a poss. eh. Love these drills. It will be great when you get it all tuned up. Nice smooth operating there by your friend. The CRC is avail. up here and widely used. Love the stuff.I pulled the quill on ours and modified it to bolt morse adaptors into it when I had no mill. Worked ok. Nothin special as it was only as good as a cross slide vise can be.Nice post today Adam.
Great Radial Arm Drill. I have run many of them. Now you need to go find the table for it.
Thought something was missing ,from the one I run
Fabricate a 2 inch box frame to lean it over and wheel it in?
What a beast! Best to you for the new year Adam. :)
And same to you Monte - all best for 2019.
Big shop, big shop. Sounds like a good project..
Holy smoke, Adam...that's a beast!! It looks like everything operates really smooth, too! Great deal! It's a shame that you can't figure out a way to sneak it into the shop. No matter...it's a great acquisition! Happy New Year, my friend...to you *and* Abby! :-)
Love your channel Adam. Maybe a metal car port over the back of your shop would be useful, at least for a temp usable space. You can always move it out front when you add on to the back. Rock on brother.
That must have been a cold morning- I can see your breath. Nice machines- both the fork lift and your drill.
My drill can go 360degrees no problem even with the drill all the way out on the arm. I am not sure if that machine is the same way or not as mine has the big motor and gearbox on the opposite side of the column to counterbalance. Likely once you had a good heavy table added to the base it would be stable enough to do 360 too. I would be careful with it for now. I tested mine my having the arm supported by the crane so if it started to tip it would catch it. You could use your gantry to test that one and know for sure how stable or not it is.
I hope this isn't a foolish question, but if it's "only" a few inches too tall to pass under the door frame, why not lay it on its side (or tilt it just far enough to clear), move it inside the shop, and stand it up again?
build an outrigger cart to support the column and arm.. you can lower the arm to raise the column off the bolted on base.. then raise the arm in the cart to lower the column to slide thru the door.. once you get it in the proper place.. lower the arm on the column to raise the column. you slide the base back under it...and put teh bolts back in.. that will give you the 3 or 4 inches clearance to duck under the door jam. you may need to take the garage door off to do this.. but that is easy.
I bought some of that CRC 350 after you suggested it because I just bought a big drop saw I cant fit into my shed it sits outside under the carport with a tarp on it that blows off all the time. My drop saw or metal band saw is huge Caralina not a great saw but it has been modified buy the machine shop to cut straight with lots of braces and extra bearing hinges welded onto it . It weighs a few hundred pounds or more. I had to rig up a chain snatch block to get off my truck and then I had a friend and couple of his friends come by to help get off the truck. It sits under the car port but close enough to get wet if the rain is blowing. I need to get a new tarp. I hate it when they blow off. My drill press is tiny after seeing yours LOL. I hope you get the funds to finish the shop your building around that drill press. I need a bigger shop too. Maybe I should pour a slab first and build from there like your doing.
I'm surprised that you dont break it down, use a gantry and pull that radial arm off and take that beast inside...I've done the exact type move before just tilt the back down and a couple buddy's help drag it In...as long as the ceiling is taller u r ok...I'd hate to see that modern marvel left......all alone....outside...
By itself....scared.....
Adam....it wants to be inside....with all the other tools.....lol
Thomas Grimes you could pretty easily change the height of a spot of the ceiling.
My thought exactly, as long as he has floor space for it, and isn't intending to trade it for something else soon.
Should be straightforward to pull the column out of the base as long as you've got the means to remove the arm. That "Speed Racer" fork lift could have done the take down, and he must have hoists in the shop. But perhaps he didn't want to impose on his buddy.
Or build a leanto off the shop. In any case I don't like the idea of leaving it out in the weather even if it's covered.
A modified Radial Arm Drill was used to finish interface flanges of Ariane 4 Launcher sections we assembled. Right in front of the Ariane work stations an unmodified one was in use - except the poor ergonomics, these machines are great to work with.
thanks for info on CR350 keeping rust off my seldom used tools is a pain.
I didnt realise how big it was until it was o the ground.. huge machine 👌
That is a beast!
Good stuff Adam
Merry Christmas to you and Abby
My Lylak lathe is outside for the same reason - two tarps, a heap of rope, and a liberal dose of CRC-5.56, not to mention Stihl grease (plastic grease gun!) for the slides and 'normal' oil for the bearings through the oil cups with the spring flap tops and it goes like a bought one ...!
That hand wheel has a serious case of the weeble wobbles :-D. Good looking machine right where you landed it. ----Aaron
man that lift maintains fork height as it changes level on the wheels damn thats cool
I once had opportunity to rebuild the oil pump on a Carlton 4/9. The machine is a brute, inside and out. I ended up requiring some parts for it which could not be fabricated. And knowing a bit about old stock machines, sometimes the real trick is finding which hand is holding the corporate dollar: Carlton's part service center is Lucas Precision in Cleveland. Best Regards.
If it only interferes with the roll-up door 3", it will definitely fit once it's inside the building. I'd disassemble it, bring it in, and re-assemble. You'll need to do a little juggling with the gantry, or (shuddering at the thought) the cherry picker, but it would (should?) be doable.
I had thought on the same lines, that fork lift has a tilt function if it is only 3", tilt it back and chain it to the fork lift, I'm sure Adam has wood/steel to use for padding during that kind of operation, but at the end of the day I'm sure Adam has a plan, can't wait...
Great addition to your shop Adam. Have you through about putting a low wattage light under your tarp to help keep the moisture at bay.
My first assignment as a machinist was running a radial drill identical to this years ago
Now that is a lift truck! ...and drill too!
Like the way the loader can crab, very cool😎😎
That SP-350 is good stuff!
ATB, Robin
Now THAT'S a big ass tool!
That is, indeed, a very cool lift!... And what about building some little shed over that drill? Or putting up one of them temporary shelter? You wouldn't need to put the tarp on and off every time and could also be able to use it when the weather sucks...