Here in Finland we traditionally use a wooden (preferably birch burl) cup know as "kuksa". Light, insulating, and does not burn (or freeze in cold temperatures) your lips. There are also modern plastic versions.
Being a high country hiker and coffee-holic… I somewhat enjoy burning the crap out of my mouth, then respectfully sip while my wounds heal. Cooler coffee does have its place. Another video sir.
Perhaps you could compare all of your mugs and cups, see how they retain heat (maybe wait for a cool day and do it outside). I love my GSI infinity mug and am curious how it compares to the double wall titanium. Keep up the great work 👍🏼✌🏼
I was gifted one of those expensive Japanese Snow Peak double walled titanium 450 mugs with a Snow Peak lid many years ago. When I found out how much it cost I almost went into cardiac arrest but it does work well. This Boundless Voyage cup is much more reasonable.
I have this mug and a yeti tumbler lid fits. It’s a little tight but it’s what I already had and works fine. Any lid of a similar size (3-1/8" or 79mm diameter) will fit it also.
Sold something similar a few years back and didn't miss it. Reason why I sold it only had one purpose unlike a single skinned pot that can be used to cook and drink from. If I want to keep the drink hotter for a short time then I leave it on a burner a the residual heat will keep it warm for long enough.
Excellent as always!👍 I bought the MSR version which comes with a lid and paid £38 !!! Conversion at this time $50, should have done further research 😂😂 Regards from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍
I’ve had my DW Snowpeak for about 18 years. It’s my favorite cup. It’s a dedicated coffee cup. I don’t use it for anything else except for maybe a water scoop when filling a larger container. It comes with me everywhere.
Toaks 450, laminated paper-foil insulated sleeve and lid, foam core bottom, and held together with the orange bag that came with the cup. Insulation to the max!
Years ago I bought a 900ml Keith Titanium Cooker, which was then advertised as a rice cooker/steamer (because the approx 600 ml inner pot is vented with small holes so you can steam your food, and there is a well between the inner pot and the outer pot where excess water from cooking rice can pool). The Keith inner pot has a silicone rim on it (they still sell it on AliEx so you can see pic's there). I know you like the new Fire Maple Kestrel pot, and it turns out that the inner pot, and the lid, from the Keith product nests perfectly into your outer Kestrel pot. This allows you to place coffee or tea into the Kestrel's hot water, and then press the Keith inner pot into the Kestrel (think of a French Press as an analogy). Now you have a double walled insulated coffee cup with a handle and a silicone rim so you do not burn your lips, and you have a perfectly fitting metal lid. Edit: It turns out the holes in the inner pot are too small to 'French Press' it into the water without it welling up the sides and spilling. However, if you place the inner pot on top of the cold water when you are heating it, you can place the lid on it, and the inner pot will float and slowly sink to the bottom of the Kestrel. By the time you have hot water the inner (Keith) will be fully nested into the Kestrel, and you can enjoy drinking your beverage. Also, I was mistaken to call this essentially now an 'insulated' mug, because obviously the hot water is in contact with the outer wall of the Kestrel pot, but the silicon gasket does make it more pleasant to sip, the heat exchanger on the bottom of the pot means you can place your hand there or rest it on your lap without burning yourself, and the dual metal walls will keep your coffee/tea warmer for longer.
Ernie sounds like you would love the soto thermostack. You have a vessel to cook in and one to make coffee in and both together become insulated when put together and even better when put into their coozy. It has a lid and the deluxe set even comes with another vessel. But just the base set is already all you seem to want. But this is a good price yes! Haha i was lucky once to buy a single wall snow peak 220ml cup but they messed up the order and shipped me the double walled one. Couldnt complain at all and its my favorite coffee cup!
Hi Ernie, after a quick look on the internet I found that the Boundless Voyage 600ml Titanium single walled mug (Ti3036D) is the same diameter as this mug and comes with a lid. You could get one of them an share the lid between the two mugs depending what you need.
The problem with a double wall TI mug is it can't be put on a stove as it distorts meaning you have to carry another one that won't , can't see any point once you make the coffee in not knocking it straight back hot thus rendering the double wall redundant .
Like Ernie said, he carries a boiling pot and a dedicated drinking vessel. I tend to aggree with that method, but i use the collapsible Sea to Summit silicone cup for my coffee. Boil water for coffee, make coffee, drink coffee while making breakfast.
I've used that same cup for the last couple of years. It doesn't perform very well in colder temps. Ti just cools off so fast. Does save from needing those silicone "hot lips". I take it on shorter mile days but leave it home for big miles.
What I prefer - I use a plastic coffee cup I got from Kmart in a 2mm CCF cup cosy that I made from an old GG mat glued as a cup holder. In the cosy the setup only weighs 35g, is same volume,and keeps the coffee hot. And it is cheap and replaceable if needed, but mine has lasted forever. Sometimes low tech is better.
For the serious coffee drinker with rustic sensibility, Keith makes a .9L widemouth single wall bottle with silicone gasketed bayonet lid and insulated cloth/foam fitted carrier/cozy and webbing strap. Of course it will also serve to boil water and reheat or even cook some foods.
I've carried a 450ml cup with my cook kit for years. I made a cozy for it to help keep my hot drinks warm and it works very well. I bought a double walled Ti 450ml cup (same one you bought) a couple years ago and it works well, but I find it's really not any better than what I had before. One big strike about the double walled mug for me is that it has no gradations in/on it. I use a Ti Kessel 2.0 for my pot, and it has no measurements either, so I need my cup to have them so I can measure out my cooking water. If I take the double walled cup, i have to take my 750 pot. Not a bad thing, but I really like the Kessel, so I prefer to take it.
At home we have these huge double walled stainless steel isolation mugs (0,75 litres or so) for our usual early morning 2-cups-of-chai or 2-cups-of-coffee routine, what saves us having a cup plus an isolated kettle or reheating or keeping stuff warm. These monster mugs are also useful on car trips when we purchase chai. But when I prepare only one cup of coffee, I never need an additional isolated mug. I'm finishing one cup too fast for lettting it becoming cold. And if you are outdoors and have one bigger pot for boiling and one smaller mug for drinking, then you have already doubled your walls - means just put your huge mug top-down over your small mug, and keeping-warm-job is done. So I do not see at all the need for an isolated mug of this small size. And as you talked about even smaller ones of 180ml and 300ml size, I have to confess that I have not even the slightest idea for what use they should be. Maybe not for keeping things warm but cold - such as your outdoor ice cream, or your your outdoor wine?
I got the same cup! My only complain is that it becomes quite warm/hot at the outside if you put boiling water in it up to the top. I havent experienced that problem with other insulation-cups made from other materials.
I like my stainless Army canteen cup, if it starts to cool or I need to set it down for a minute I can just park it by the fire. (Edit). Having said that I will say I bought a Snow Peak mug like this, it has folding handles. I ended up not really liking it that much so I quit using it.
I just checked on Amazon and that these mugs all come with lids now. I saw one that had a thick lid with it looks like a rubber seal, and then the rest had thin lightweight lids.
Maybe different cups? I have this exact cup with no lid (the 3 in 1 450) Boundless Voyages also do similar ones with lids, I have a 350 with a lid, they are not the 3 in 1 versions, different sizes.
I’ve spent more on hand made pottery mugs for the kitchen, I’ve been looking for one of these. I wonder if the lid for the titanium Grayl would fit, it is very lightweight.
Very cool what is the inside diameter of the cup? I like my GSI infinity coffee mug at 3.5 oz because it has a lid and an insulated outer shell with handle. But always looking at options
I have the expensive Snow Peak version... and it is dependently not worth the price (I bought mine on sale). It does not insulate well, and the cup itself gets very hot.
A lid would be nice because you'd have the option of taking it or not. I kind of wish you had made a pour-over into it instead of a Keurig. Nobody take a Keurig while backpacking, and Keurigs don't heat the water up to an appropriate temperature for extraction.
Great Video Ernie,,,, Actually,,, I don’t prefer my coffee really hot,,, but Iam big on a well fitting lid. I’ve got the large titanium mocha pot. And I’ve got a titanium cup /with lid from Snowpeak. It’s 450ml and they have 2 types of,well fitting lids. But it’s definitely not at the same price point as the one you have. Ernie,,,, have You bought the new Firebox cast iron cookware,,,???? If not,,, how about taking another One for the home team,,,lol,,, and pick them Up. I’ld interested in Your take,,,, I love them and now waiting on the accessories,,,ie,, the Fry Basket 👍👍👍👍,,!!!! Nice seeing you,,, Blessings,,,, Joshua
There's a guy on YT that never would have an issue with coffee getting cold, (he has TONS of stoves, lol), I bet he would just put his single wall titanium cup back on a stove and reheat?
@@elijahthompson3899 It was actually a thank you... Ernie reviews so many products and has helped me buy some nice kit. I have always shied away from insulated products you can't cook in. But I would definitely take his recommendation on the cup he reviewed, thanks Elijah
I drink fron Snow Peak 450 Titanium Twin Wall Mugs at home and outdoors and have titanium lids for them. I only drink Twinings Earl Grey tea made with Marvel Dried Skimmed Milk from them, and I like my tea to be hot, hence the double wall titanium mug and titanium lid! To me its well worth the negligible weight to be able to enjoy my tea lovely and hot, even after 40 minutes its still nicely hot. A double wall titanium mug is just like a thermos flask without a lid, putting a titanium lid on it increases its versatility. I also have a 550ml twin wall titanium bowl which also keeps food very nicely hot, especially with a Snow Peak Titanium Plate used as a lid.
@PALEOHIKERMD! Another Great video, well, almost-What? No picture of the deer hiding behind the tree? Was he or she ( Heaven knows I wouldn’t want to “misgender” a deer! Then I’d have the “Alphabet” and PETA down on me, Ugh!) was THE DEER peeking at you from around the tree? Next, If the cup came without a lid, wouldn’t the temperature test be more accurate WITHOUT THE LID AIDING IN HEAT RETENTION? ( All Caps for EMPHASIS ONLY! I’d Never yell at you my Brother. We love ya !)
I could justify the weight, but I'm still too cheap. Have an aluminum cup with handles cost 5 bucks or something like that. This is still my favorite channel for equipment because I get sick of the latest 500 dollar tent or whatever. It's all right, but I'm more into cooking on the trail and experimenting with different stoves, etc. My sleeping equipment is cheap but serviceable. Same as my pack. I'm not going to experiment with that stuff. Too expensive.
I’m 6’4” 290lbs man…..I don’t count ounces….20lbs or 15lbs or 10lbs there isn’t much of a difference for me….i carry a 1 litter pot, frying pan, cup, plate and all stainless steel….titanium doesn’t matter for me…..I carry these on 1 to 14 day treks….i will trade down to titanium
If you take more than 30 minutes to drink your coffee, you need to be examined. Obviously, you didn’t want the coffee or you’re easily distracted. Apparently, this review, a double walled titanium cup, is not the answer for you…heh, heh…Personally, I might carry the Stanley plastic cup, rather than pay $25 for the titanium. Burning my lips and or my tongue is damage to my money makers…NO WAY.
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Here in Finland we traditionally use a wooden (preferably birch burl) cup know as "kuksa". Light, insulating, and does not burn (or freeze in cold temperatures) your lips. There are also modern plastic versions.
they are almost perfect - they need a lid and they need to be larger. If I found a Kuksa with both of those things it would definitely be bought 🙂
Being a high country hiker and coffee-holic… I somewhat enjoy burning the crap out of my mouth, then respectfully sip while my wounds heal. Cooler coffee does have its place. Another video sir.
Perhaps you could compare all of your mugs and cups, see how they retain heat (maybe wait for a cool day and do it outside). I love my GSI infinity mug and am curious how it compares to the double wall titanium. Keep up the great work 👍🏼✌🏼
I was gifted one of those expensive Japanese Snow Peak double walled titanium 450 mugs with a Snow Peak lid many years ago. When I found out how much it cost I almost went into cardiac arrest but it does work well. This Boundless Voyage cup is much more reasonable.
I use a Soto titanium 450ml double wall mug. The smaller lid from my Soto Thermostack works perfect for it.
I have this mug and a yeti tumbler lid fits. It’s a little tight but it’s what I already had and works fine. Any lid of a similar size (3-1/8" or 79mm diameter) will fit it also.
Same for me with 20oz tumbler lids. Tight but functional
Sold something similar a few years back and didn't miss it. Reason why I sold it only had one purpose unlike a single skinned pot that can be used to cook and drink from. If I want to keep the drink hotter for a short time then I leave it on a burner a the residual heat will keep it warm for long enough.
Two beautiful words, "coffee blanket"!
Excellent as always!👍 I bought the MSR version which comes with a lid and paid £38 !!! Conversion at this time $50, should have done further research 😂😂 Regards from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍
I’ve had my DW Snowpeak for about 18 years. It’s my favorite cup. It’s a dedicated coffee cup. I don’t use it for anything else except for maybe a water scoop when filling a larger container. It comes with me everywhere.
Toaks 450, laminated paper-foil insulated sleeve and lid, foam core bottom, and held together with the orange bag that came with the cup. Insulation to the max!
Years ago I bought a 900ml Keith Titanium Cooker, which was then advertised as a rice cooker/steamer (because the approx 600 ml inner pot is vented with small holes so you can steam your food, and there is a well between the inner pot and the outer pot where excess water from cooking rice can pool). The Keith inner pot has a silicone rim on it (they still sell it on AliEx so you can see pic's there). I know you like the new Fire Maple Kestrel pot, and it turns out that the inner pot, and the lid, from the Keith product nests perfectly into your outer Kestrel pot. This allows you to place coffee or tea into the Kestrel's hot water, and then press the Keith inner pot into the Kestrel (think of a French Press as an analogy). Now you have a double walled insulated coffee cup with a handle and a silicone rim so you do not burn your lips, and you have a perfectly fitting metal lid.
Edit: It turns out the holes in the inner pot are too small to 'French Press' it into the water without it welling up the sides and spilling. However, if you place the inner pot on top of the cold water when you are heating it, you can place the lid on it, and the inner pot will float and slowly sink to the bottom of the Kestrel. By the time you have hot water the inner (Keith) will be fully nested into the Kestrel, and you can enjoy drinking your beverage. Also, I was mistaken to call this essentially now an 'insulated' mug, because obviously the hot water is in contact with the outer wall of the Kestrel pot, but the silicon gasket does make it more pleasant to sip, the heat exchanger on the bottom of the pot means you can place your hand there or rest it on your lap without burning yourself, and the dual metal walls will keep your coffee/tea warmer for longer.
Mmmm warm coffee. Nice way to start the day in winter.
Ernie sounds like you would love the soto thermostack. You have a vessel to cook in and one to make coffee in and both together become insulated when put together and even better when put into their coozy. It has a lid and the deluxe set even comes with another vessel. But just the base set is already all you seem to want. But this is a good price yes! Haha i was lucky once to buy a single wall snow peak 220ml cup but they messed up the order and shipped me the double walled one. Couldnt complain at all and its my favorite coffee cup!
He already has it and did a review video on it 3 years ago.
It should also keep cold drinks cool. Definitely need one. Good video.
Hi Ernie, after a quick look on the internet I found that the Boundless Voyage 600ml Titanium single walled mug (Ti3036D) is the same diameter as this mug and comes with a lid. You could get one of them an share the lid between the two mugs depending what you need.
Inside or outside diameter? A Snowpeak 450 Double Wall cup lid might work also.
The problem with a double wall TI mug is it can't be put on a stove as it distorts meaning you have to carry another one that won't , can't see any point once you make the coffee in not knocking it straight back hot thus rendering the double wall redundant .
I agree. Maybe a reflectX coozy.
Like Ernie said, he carries a boiling pot and a dedicated drinking vessel. I tend to aggree with that method, but i use the collapsible Sea to Summit silicone cup for my coffee. Boil water for coffee, make coffee, drink coffee while making breakfast.
I've used that same cup for the last couple of years. It doesn't perform very well in colder temps. Ti just cools off so fast. Does save from needing those silicone "hot lips". I take it on shorter mile days but leave it home for big miles.
Thanks
What I prefer - I use a plastic coffee cup I got from Kmart in a 2mm CCF cup cosy that I made from an old GG mat glued as a cup holder. In the cosy the setup only weighs 35g, is same volume,and keeps the coffee hot. And it is cheap and replaceable if needed, but mine has lasted forever. Sometimes low tech is better.
Whiskey on the rocks is great in my Snow Peak 450.
Check out the msr mugs, they are insulated, have a top cover and are light.
For the serious coffee drinker with rustic sensibility, Keith makes a .9L widemouth single wall bottle with silicone gasketed bayonet lid and insulated cloth/foam fitted carrier/cozy and webbing strap. Of course it will also serve to boil water and reheat or even cook some foods.
I use the green plastic mug out of the Stanley cook kit. Retains heat very well and is very light. Can't heat it up over a open flame, however.
Gret tip, thank you! Greetings from Sweden! 🙂
Titanium is 50% more thermally conductive so it will cool down faster.
Could you see if any type of yeti or knock off snap in lid would work? Would be perfect for what I use if lid would work
I've carried a 450ml cup with my cook kit for years. I made a cozy for it to help keep my hot drinks warm and it works very well. I bought a double walled Ti 450ml cup (same one you bought) a couple years ago and it works well, but I find it's really not any better than what I had before.
One big strike about the double walled mug for me is that it has no gradations in/on it. I use a Ti Kessel 2.0 for my pot, and it has no measurements either, so I need my cup to have them so I can measure out my cooking water.
If I take the double walled cup, i have to take my 750 pot. Not a bad thing, but I really like the Kessel, so I prefer to take it.
Thanks Buddy
Thanks Ernie
I like hot coffee and I cannot lie..
You can use Klean Kanteen's Tumbler Lid.
Nice!!! Pretty soon will have the review of the Petrel pot from Fire Maple 👏🏼👏🏼
At home we have these huge double walled stainless steel isolation mugs (0,75 litres or so) for our usual early morning 2-cups-of-chai or 2-cups-of-coffee routine, what saves us having a cup plus an isolated kettle or reheating or keeping stuff warm. These monster mugs are also useful on car trips when we purchase chai.
But when I prepare only one cup of coffee, I never need an additional isolated mug. I'm finishing one cup too fast for lettting it becoming cold. And if you are outdoors and have one bigger pot for boiling and one smaller mug for drinking, then you have already doubled your walls - means just put your huge mug top-down over your small mug, and keeping-warm-job is done.
So I do not see at all the need for an isolated mug of this small size. And as you talked about even smaller ones of 180ml and 300ml size, I have to confess that I have not even the slightest idea for what use they should be. Maybe not for keeping things warm but cold - such as your outdoor ice cream, or your your outdoor wine?
I got the same cup! My only complain is that it becomes quite warm/hot at the outside if you put boiling water in it up to the top. I havent experienced that problem with other insulation-cups made from other materials.
Aluminum foil lid. Light. Multi use. Foldable. And cleanable.
The largest version of this cup fits perfectly in to a toaks 750
I like my stainless Army canteen cup, if it starts to cool or I need to set it down for a minute I can just park it by the fire. (Edit). Having said that I will say I bought a Snow Peak mug like this, it has folding handles. I ended up not really liking it that much so I quit using it.
I just checked on Amazon and that these mugs all come with lids now. I saw one that had a thick lid with it looks like a rubber seal, and then the rest had thin lightweight lids.
Maybe different cups?
I have this exact cup with no lid (the 3 in 1 450)
Boundless Voyages also do similar ones with lids, I have a 350 with a lid, they are not the 3 in 1 versions, different sizes.
@@carldwyer6058 You might be right. I didn't notice whether they were the three in one nesting cups.
How about a video testing the temperature of the outside of the mug?
Nice ive wanted the snow peak ones but just too expensive.
I’ve spent more on hand made pottery mugs for the kitchen, I’ve been looking for one of these. I wonder if the lid for the titanium Grayl would fit, it is very lightweight.
Good video, thanks for sharing, YAH bless !
Very cool what is the inside diameter of the cup? I like my GSI infinity coffee mug at 3.5 oz because it has a lid and an insulated outer shell with handle. But always looking at options
bigger cups keep things hot longer too as the ratio of volume to surface area is lower, which means less heat transfer per volume.
I have the expensive Snow Peak version... and it is dependently not worth the price (I bought mine on sale). It does not insulate well, and the cup itself gets very hot.
A lid would be nice because you'd have the option of taking it or not. I kind of wish you had made a pour-over into it instead of a Keurig. Nobody take a Keurig while backpacking, and Keurigs don't heat the water up to an appropriate temperature for extraction.
Can't help thinking that the Soto Thermostack kit may be a better solution.
You might be able to pick one up at your local Wal-Mart.
Great Video Ernie,,,,
Actually,,, I don’t prefer my coffee really hot,,, but Iam big on a well fitting lid. I’ve got the large titanium mocha pot. And I’ve got a titanium cup /with lid from Snowpeak. It’s 450ml and they have 2 types of,well fitting lids. But it’s definitely not at the same price point as the one you have.
Ernie,,,, have You bought the new Firebox cast iron cookware,,,???? If not,,, how about taking another One for the home team,,,lol,,, and pick them Up. I’ld interested in Your take,,,, I love them and now waiting on the accessories,,,ie,, the Fry Basket 👍👍👍👍,,!!!! Nice seeing you,,, Blessings,,,, Joshua
Drink your coffee faster, single wall works fine. On the flip side, it will probably keep your beer colder longer.
I will keep my Yeti.....
Am like you I love my coffee hot not cold.
Non of them can keep heat in if you don’t put a good lid on it.
There's a guy on YT that never would have an issue with coffee getting cold, (he has TONS of stoves, lol), I bet he would just put his single wall titanium cup back on a stove and reheat?
No the space between the double wall would get pressure and fail or possibly explode from what the experts say, which I am not but anyway
The comment you replied to is talking about reheating a SINGLE WALL cup over the stove, not a double wall. Do reread.
@@elijahthompson3899 It was actually a thank you... Ernie reviews so many products and has helped me buy some nice kit. I have always shied away from insulated products you can't cook in. But I would definitely take his recommendation on the cup he reviewed, thanks Elijah
I drink fron Snow Peak 450 Titanium Twin Wall Mugs at home and outdoors and have titanium lids for them.
I only drink Twinings Earl Grey tea made with Marvel Dried Skimmed Milk from them, and I like my tea to be hot, hence the double wall titanium mug and titanium lid!
To me its well worth the negligible weight to be able to enjoy my tea lovely and hot, even after 40 minutes its still nicely hot.
A double wall titanium mug is just like a thermos flask without a lid, putting a titanium lid on it increases its versatility.
I also have a 550ml twin wall titanium bowl which also keeps food very nicely hot, especially with a Snow Peak Titanium Plate used as a lid.
Imagine a world without coffee - the country of Germany would be in ruins - world's largest producer, yet not a single coffee tree to its name..
Not that although it is double wall, it is not vacuum insulated.
Place a piece of black electrical tape along the rim. Used that on our Cups, Canteen, Steel in the army. Other colours don't work as well... honest.
@PALEOHIKERMD!
Another Great video, well, almost-What? No picture of the deer hiding behind the tree? Was he or she ( Heaven knows I wouldn’t want to “misgender” a deer! Then I’d have the “Alphabet” and PETA down on me, Ugh!) was THE DEER peeking at you from around the tree?
Next, If the cup came without a lid, wouldn’t the temperature test be more accurate WITHOUT THE LID AIDING IN HEAT RETENTION? ( All Caps for EMPHASIS ONLY! I’d Never yell at you my Brother. We love ya !)
I could justify the weight, but I'm still too cheap. Have an aluminum cup with handles cost 5 bucks or something like that. This is still my favorite channel for equipment because I get sick of the latest 500 dollar tent or whatever. It's all right, but I'm more into cooking on the trail and experimenting with different stoves, etc. My sleeping equipment is cheap but serviceable. Same as my pack. I'm not going to experiment with that stuff. Too expensive.
I’m 6’4” 290lbs man…..I don’t count ounces….20lbs or 15lbs or 10lbs there isn’t much of a difference for me….i carry a 1 litter pot, frying pan, cup, plate and all stainless steel….titanium doesn’t matter for me…..I carry these on 1 to 14 day treks….i will trade down to titanium
A lid...some foil. Simple.
How about you drink it faster.
Ernie, I just never understand your tests, because you never give numbers afterwards. I did not see them on you thermometer as usual.
Lol
He never answers comments. Doesn't care about his viewers
No handle, no lid....no thanks!
If you take more than 30 minutes to drink your coffee, you need to be examined. Obviously, you didn’t want the coffee or you’re easily distracted. Apparently, this review, a double walled titanium cup, is not the answer for you…heh, heh…Personally, I might carry the Stanley plastic cup, rather than pay $25 for the titanium. Burning my lips and or my tongue is damage to my money makers…NO WAY.