So here's the trick: pause when thumbnails hide the results (the numbers come up behind after the thumbnails), then move the curser to midway through the video (between the thumbnails), and click to resume, then the 6 - 6 result appears momentarily.
I ordered a 2.8 litre 79 yesterday. And I'm coming from a V8 Troopy. That little 2.8 is a killer, especially in Power/Haul mode. I don't care if it only lasts 300,000Kms instead of the V8's 500,000Kms (wild, uneducated guesses in both cases) because It'll take me 10 or 12 years to get to 300,000Kms and I'll want a newer car by then. Anyway - the 2.8 might last as long as the V8, time will tell.
My 2010 v8 79 is still in stock form except for 33's, 2" lift, intercooler fans and exhaust, now with over 400k on the clock. That's all I'll need with the new 2.8 coming in mid next month. I will miss that thong slapping sound. Misses won't hear me rumbling through the hills before arriving home.
Don't worry mate 2.8 been kicking around for 9 years now ... my old hilux is 2016 model and sold it to my brother inlaw and now he's towing 2.4 t caravan still .
My 1kd Prado has well over 220k on the clock and has outlived my uncles troopy vdj which detonated at 130k….impossible to compare the exact same vehicle over its life.
great answer. always hear people saying im buying this as my forever car... hahaha I dont think thats possible in this modern day. people have consumerism built into them. and things just are not built to last forever any more.
@@Rob.Salta90 I call bullshit on that... You don't think Toyota's budget is big enough ta pay for all those reviews...I should know I own both... The 1vd shits on the gd every day of the week and like I said I own both!!
Ronny is a RUclips pro hiding the results behind the “watch next” cards like that… classic irony. Nice one, Ronny: especially after building up to the scores the whole video. Got us. 😂
Hey mate, both scores at the end were obscured by the two video links 😂 what were the scores?? Great video btw. Rooting for the new LC, Im over a lifetime of manual offroading. I think its time to moved on to the new LC 👍
A basic search of RUclips will yield a plethora of results of 100 % standard latest model 70 series 2.8 vs 4.5. In particular, refer to the Auto Expert tow test video that uses a dynometer to control and test towing parameters of each. And yes the 2.8 wins.
Good results. I know everyone will point out the obvious that the V8 has 35s vs 33s on the 2.8. They will also point out the canopy and bar work weight. But please know that V8 is not only tuned like Rohnis, with big exhaust and 4” snorkel, it also has a larger hiflow aftermarket turbo and large intercooler. 2.8 still standard power lol.
@@gamebredduramax71the 2.8 has been around for 9 years and there are far more of them kicking round pulling big caravans than the v8. People hated the v8 when it came and it issues burning oil and it still has issues with dust ingest causing plenty of failures. The v8 is nothing special.
@@m5wm6w look, sadly Toyota is leaning in on the planned obsolescence tactics of the rest of the car industries, they used to build them to see how long they could last and we had over built beast of vehicles, now these manufacturers are battling the governments over stringent emissions and other regulations in order for them to remain profitable they have to turn more vehicles and to do that they can’t be lasting 10 and 20 years no more.
I still believe the most obvious thing to point out is the weight between the two. Yes the 76 is holding its own at this time in the current configuration. Add some more weight and I'm sure that will drastically change it. Put simple I am sure it will be great as a Light Weight Tourer, but as a Heavy Weight Tourer I suspect it's going to struggle. Now to get back to the V8 or I4. If you like the V8 and prefer the Home on Wheel then stick with that. If the Wife is thinking of going to something else from whatever she has then see what she thinks. Perhaps the 76 will fit what she wants and needs. That's my input for you Ronny
So let’s put my GX 200 series which at the time of purchase cost the same as the 76 2.8l. It has the auto factory and the V8 turbo diesel, albeit with an extra turbo. Let’s see how they compare…
But hang on torbs said the iconic 70 series is v8 but the iconic 70 series original came with a 4 cylinder 2l turbo, the 1kz 4 cylinder, the 13b-t, then a couple ov versions of straight 5 cylinder engines followed by the iconic straight 6 engines then the v8. Now back to 4 cylinder. Yes the v8 might be great but the true icon of the 70 series is the straight 6
Four cylinder is great but if im in the middle of nowhere and its 50 degrees id rather be in low pressure V8 than high pressure four cylinder. Maybe a mechanic can correct me about that, but ill take some convincing.
we run the 4 cyl Hilux's in the Pilbara. At 4pm in the middle of Feb on a 48 degree day the ground will be around 70-74 degrees. We've never had an issue with the heat - blows me away that machines operate in that heat!! Been in the Pilbara for 20 yrs, the 4 cylinders have been bullet proof for us.
Great to see Torbs back on the channel. I think the writing is on the wall for the V8. Toyota will only improve power, torque, economy & emissions with the 4-pot as time goes on. The only thing that will be missing from the 2.8 is that awesome exhaust note.
I think the auto transmission played more of a role than what people give it credit for. If Toyota had paired an auto with the V8, the conversations would be different. But ultimately its a sales call for Toyota and we're just seeing the consumer justification for moving away from the V8 engine. I believe a channel (TJ and Mac) is tuning the ZF 8 speed with 70 series. There are others as well. Compare the 2,8L with a V8 with auto.
Hey mate love your channel. In the UAE we still get the V6 4.0L version (4.0L, V6, 24-VALVE DOHC VVT-I). You reckon this will be a good buy or wait for the 2.8L (if it ever comes here)? The main thing I will be using it for desert camping (so desert sand driving)
The 3.3 probably costs 5 times as much as the 2.8. It takes a few seconds to fully turn off the traction control. Press and hold but I think you need to be stationary.
Ronny. Please do a stock 2.8 vs v8 drag race to 100kph, towing a trailer. Just keep adding weight till the v8 wins. Surely it will take over, even with a manual.
I have a Troopcarrier 2.8 you can turn the traction control off manually a short press of the button a long press 3 seconds will disable TRC/A-TRC and VSC systems
@@Ronny_Dahl My previous HILUX was the same on anything but sand I would leave the traction control on I got caught out just as you did more often than I like to admit regards Mike
20k+ for wholesale auto conversion on top of his V8 which already has a upgraded larger bolt on turbo, larger intercooler, pipework, exhaust, air box, snorkel, tune, clutch. All that against standard 2.8 👌🏽
The point is it’s got nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with auto vs manual. I didn’t mention cost of after market changes, I was just pointing out a fact.
exactly.... stock they have the same power, so basically no difference. take away the auto and it's the same except the 4cyl is cheaper to do injectors and wear out faster. when you modify them the v8 will take 20psi extra boost and the 4cyl wont.
What to say? all depends on driver‘s skills and some luck. V8 or 4 Cylinder does not play a major role, automatic gives definitely some more luxury for driving and avoids mistakes of chosen gear. Time will tell us how long the automatic gear box and the 4 cyl engine will last, both definitely running closer to their limits than in a stock or moderate tuned V8.
I'd like to see some more work done to the 76, Give it a tune and 3inch. Those 2.8 sound ok for a turbo diesel 4. also would like to know if the tracking issue on the rear has been fixed since no longer wide v8. Also in regards to the Auto vs Manual having had both on the sand the auto is far greater.
Yes the 4 cylinder seems to cut the mustard but I’m a traditionalist. If you were into American muscle cars, would you buy a V8 Mustang for that sound or the 4 cylinder? Just a question. Good review you did.
As a gear head for as long as I can remember, I would have to go, the 4cyl. I like the technology and I like V8's that actually sound good 😉 Disclaimer. To be fair a completely stock exhaust on the 1VD sounds ok.
The tissue boxes out again for V8 Landcruiser owners. looking at the. 2.8 wining hands down is this future for Toyota.....interesting i will still stick with my 1hz half million km 80 not wanting to own either the new 76 2.8 or 79 v8
Terrific fun comparative video. And so great to see Torbs again - he's been missed! The 2.8 is clearly the better vehicle! Also the low range speed test results were upside down! The 2.8 clearly has a lower low range - which is precisely the point of low range! So the 2.8 won on points! And that's without commenting that for me, I prefer the quieter engine and exhaust note.
While the V8 sounds good I feel if you want to hear that noise go to the race track. From someone that used to live on a main road listening to people gunning their V8 and modified Diesel 4wds was bloody annoying. Hearing all this noise but they still aren't going fast. Same applies when you go for a relaxing camp in the bush and hear the clowns limiter bashing their rigs. Honestly the 4cyl actually seems pretty good and yes IM sure you will get clowns modifying their exhaust systems still but over all it seems to be holding it's own against the big V8 plus it is cheaper, probably lighter, not as thirsty etc etc.
Auto all theway :-) they're so much easier in the sand and slow stuff... My Pajero sport has done the Yaegerup trip twice and only once got stuck once on the way up Callcup hiil (8spd auto, stock suspension on 32.6 inch tryes 265/70r17)
Ronny why did you always go for the steely instead of alloys? 320 Method race wheel/rim matte black MR32078550500 do look like a stelly. I love this type of alloy rims and not the one with 8 to 10 spoke like wheels. In my humble opinion.
I think the 4cyl is a great option for some, but how is this even close to a comparison due to the massive weight etc differences. Good for the views I suppose
In the 200, if you hold down the traction control button for five seconds while the car is stationary, you can turn off the system. It is worth trying in the 70.
Not sure what my next 4wd is going to be but I do know one thing. I am keeping it as close to stock as I can and I am not bolting on all the heavy shit. If I get a bullbar for Roos, it will be Alloy. I will be applying the KISS principle. Who knows, the way the current Government is going to tax us for not having electric, I may never get another 4wd which is concerning. Good clip Ronny.
I thought when you said you were gona load both vehicles up, I assumed you were going to load them up with equal cargo/weights.. The 2.8 looked empty to me..
Do you need to reprogram the ecu in these to recalibrate the speedo and shift points for the auto? Not sure how the auto 70 series setup, but this is a common task in other vehicles that can really make a difference as you go up in tire size.
@@simmo6035 I'm sure they did, I'm just pointing out that beach driving is a terrible way of comparing 4x4 ability coz you don't even need a 4x4 to do it.
I think the comparison test was a little unfair. First of all the 79 was a lot heavier than the 76 and second there is significant difference in the wheelbase of the two vehicles. Although difficult for you I would have liked to have seen two 76 cruisers compared. I think the remap for the V8 was a good idea as the V8 is significantly detuned and can get much more out of it than you can with remapping (if it is possible) the 2.8
The capability of the new 2.8 is certainly a surprise to me at least but I don't think I'm quite ready to shelve the V8 just yet, just the sound alone is adequate compensation for the extra fuel the V8 uses and an auto gearbox does not hold much appeal to me either.
I guess its just nice to have a choice....as a person that loves the sounds of a V8 makes it hard when pretty much everything with the 2.8 auto just makes sence especially for touring...i would rather the economy the quite and the relaxing drive of an auto any day when smashing kms..at least you can have a conversation in the 2.8 doing 100km
its more fun than serious but great to see how it tags along ;) nice to follow how ronny gains experience on it so he can tell at the end. vehicles are always individual decisions. cheers!
After watching all, I think, of your 2.8 video's I'd say that the 2.8 Auto is making a compelling argument for itself. And as for the V8 sound? I assume it's running an aftermarket 3" exhaust
I'm writing you from the top of the Yeagarup exit. Did it in my fully laded 76series from 2021 lowrange 3rd 33'muddy 8/15psi, from the middle section. 16psi was far too high
I love v8s that sound, lets face is we all love owning a v8. The truth though is if you can accept you are no longer driving a v8 it just makes sense to move towards the 4, and its got an auto making it far more enjoyable as a daily drive and in traffic. Wow the world is changing, not sure i am ready.
Seems like there may have been a little driver error involved with this test. The new 70 is still surprisingly good no matter what way you look at it, still not sure if I want one though. Longevity just can’t be tested anytime soon hey. Thanks for giving it a crack, good video.
Great video. But, I've never understood why you use low range so much. I've always had a Prado with the same running gear as your new wagon, and watching the V8, I now understand why. How about for your next challenge, don't use low range. You'll find that the 2.8 runs better without it. Save low range for emergencies.
Well if a car out of factory performs so well compared to a tuned and modified one, then it is a win for the 2.8L. Obviously, Toyota (the only folks who know both engines inside out) will upgrade the series with a better Engine and that's what they did.
It is hard to have a reasonable discussion with those, especially older people with loud shrill voices who are in denial and think that something is being "taken away from them". The world moves on; some good, some bad. The landcruiser started off with small engines and did everything asked. The new iteration will do the same. Those wedded to the past will remain so and there is nothing one can do to change their mindset
The 2.8L diesel engine's range is absolutely unbeatable. Not to mention that Toyota's diesel engines are practically immortal. It's not even a fair fight between a huge, outdated gas guzzler and a modern diesel engine with innovative but proven technology and Toyota's usual quality.
The only thing the V8 has over the 4 (aside from possible longevity) is sound. Doesn't win on power, torque, fuel economy, emissions or weight. Just noise. And to some that noise might not be wanted either.
Comparing factory specs, the 2.8 has the same power but more torque. To the engineers at Toyota, it’s a just a power plant that performs better with lower emissions. They don’t really care how it makes people feel. Personally, I think they should drop in a Detroit two stroke V6 cause they sound awesome.
Hi Ronny great to see these tests. I would also like to suggest to have a look at comparing the mahindra pick up truck with the 79 series 4 cylinder since they are both very similar agriculture vehicles. Better yet if you could do a build series with one adding your twist on modifications which will be interesting to see and compare since both vehicles have a large difference in price. Cheers from Sri Lanka!
Being a Land Cruiser, it need to have a bigger engine. Having a auto box in it makes up for a lot, but it just don't feel right with a 2.8 four cylinder in it.
Hey mate, love your content. Have learned heaps! Would you ever modify a Mahindra pickup? Hear they're good, not good looking, but it could be a lot of smoke. Figured you'd be the guy to pressure test it proper. All the best mate
All good fun, but again all this proves to me is not vehicle capability but driver error! Torbs said it best the auto saves your butt, so from that point of view Toyota has done a very good job of dialing in the auto. I know you aren't a professional tester and people need to keep in mind that any vehicle weight and weight distribution is a bigger is a bigger factor if all other things are equal eg tires are at right pressures. I regularly run my vehicle against much lighter vehicles and unlocked, and those lighter vehicles are usually autos, those drivers usually would struggle much more in a manual and a heavier vehicle. So Auto definitely helps anyone esp uphill. Yesterday in soft river conditions like deep sand, this bed pulled you down ,the last part of the day all I could smell was a Auto tranny from the Hilux 2 cars ahead of me, when they finally aired down, I was not struggling the Hilux while better on 32s was still struggling a bit and it had more weight in it than your 76 with a full tray, it was still very capable and well driven, surprised me how it handled the terrain and I have had 2 of them in that model, but I never put my auto through that abuse, still that smell made me happy I was in my MT 80s. I have burnt an Auto out many years ago. I really like to see you weight bridge Torbs truck and then the 76 afterwards and I'm still out on how a Troopy 2.8 or a 79 DC 2.8l, wit hthe same weight still on 33s would compare! What I do think is proved is the 2.8l auto can hold its own and is doing well and I have seen that on other channels even towing a small caravan with family and kids, again not super hard 4wd tracks, but decent trails, but still enough for who is going to buy this vehicle. Jury is still out for me on how the Auto and 2.8l will hold up under loads with real weight that most add to these vehicles esp in the Troopy form RT conversions and kitchen sink every ASP accessory you can build into them and the DC 79s form eg Tray and Canopy and chassis extensions and the sink as well. That will be the real test. I would never choose one or the other based on these tests however. I also think ASP put forward a very good point, this engine is already turned up to near max point, its high strung, even if not showing that, its tuned to that point and not much room left, where as the V8 is easily tunable modable add an Auto conversion and see what driver error comparisons you get. JMO.
To me it’s an interesting video, but it’s not really answering the question it appears to. A better engine and a more modern transmission are, well, better. There are things that still might trip up an automatic like heat, but that didn’t come up. So…. what question is the video really answering: “What should you expect to experience if you buy a new 70, and are not yet used to how to operate it. Especially if you have driven v8 70s. “ That seems like a good question to answer.
The low range speed test was very good. I'm guessing the auto wouldn't go past 4th gear - like the 200series where it locks out 5th and 6th gear when in low range.
Hey Ronny I’m wondering what you thing they will do after the v8 is finished in terms of a manual. Do you thing they will start offering the 1gd with the 6 speed hilux manual because I can imagine no everyone will want an auto even if the 2.8 is good with the auto
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No wiser what the results were since they were covered by the thumbnails of past videos……🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️😂
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Cheers, saved me 15min
I hate those bloody thumbnails everyone puts on the end of the videos. Ruins the finish. And agree, I couldn't see the final score either.
I think that was on purpose.
So here's the trick: pause when thumbnails hide the results (the numbers come up behind after the thumbnails), then move the curser to midway through the video (between the thumbnails), and click to resume, then the 6 - 6 result appears momentarily.
I ordered a 2.8 litre 79 yesterday. And I'm coming from a V8 Troopy. That little 2.8 is a killer, especially in Power/Haul mode. I don't care if it only lasts 300,000Kms instead of the V8's 500,000Kms (wild, uneducated guesses in both cases) because It'll take me 10 or 12 years to get to 300,000Kms and I'll want a newer car by then. Anyway - the 2.8 might last as long as the V8, time will tell.
My 2010 v8 79 is still in stock form except for 33's, 2" lift, intercooler fans and exhaust, now with over 400k on the clock. That's all I'll need with the new 2.8 coming in mid next month. I will miss that thong slapping sound. Misses won't hear me rumbling through the hills before arriving home.
Don't worry mate 2.8 been kicking around for 9 years now ... my old hilux is 2016 model and sold it to my brother inlaw and now he's towing 2.4 t caravan still .
My 1kd Prado has well over 220k on the clock and has outlived my uncles troopy vdj which detonated at 130k….impossible to compare the exact same vehicle over its life.
great answer. always hear people saying im buying this as my forever car... hahaha I dont think thats possible in this modern day. people have consumerism built into them. and things just are not built to last forever any more.
Plenty of hiluxes and prados with the 2.8 on much higher than 300,000kms 😄
I would give the 'Low Range Speed Test" Win to the 2.8 (Less is Best (AfterAll It's why SomePeople fit ReductionGears))
Yep the lower the better in my book
Yeah I didn't understand that. Isn't the bigger the reduction the better. Better control at slow speed. Isn't that what you're after?
Looks like Toyota did their homework . The 2.8 is doing a lot better than one wants to admit loudly.
More likely Toyota paying Ronny to say nice things i'd say
Bullshit Andrew. He isn’t the only one saying good things.
The reality is aside from sound the V8 is worse in every single aspect.
@@Rob.Salta90 I call bullshit on that... You don't think Toyota's budget is big enough ta pay for all those reviews...I should know I own both... The 1vd shits on the gd every day of the week and like I said I own both!!
@@andrewsouvertjis9309 so you haven’t driven a 2.8 70 series to compare?
@@andrewsouvertjis9309 everyone is paid, nothing is true in the internet, ford is paying you i reckon
Ronny is a RUclips pro hiding the results behind the “watch next” cards like that… classic irony. Nice one, Ronny: especially after building up to the scores the whole video. Got us. 😂
Hey mate, both scores at the end were obscured by the two video links 😂 what were the scores??
Great video btw. Rooting for the new LC, Im over a lifetime of manual offroading. I think its time to moved on to the new LC 👍
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A basic search of RUclips will yield a plethora of results of 100 % standard latest model 70 series 2.8 vs 4.5. In particular, refer to the Auto Expert tow test video that uses a dynometer to control and test towing parameters of each.
And yes the 2.8 wins.
To me the most Iconic 70 is not the V8 but the HDFTE. That straight six was amazing.
I agree with that.
Amen
1HZ baby! Wish it could get the 2.8 fuel economy tho, that thing chugs fuel like there is no tommorow.
@@BonzoSAiweLsaebn Yeah another legend
Yeeah, those 1HD / 1HZ big end bearings that disintegrate after 300k km are amazing.
I think the short gearing and the new water-cooled intercooler are a big win factor over the Hilux.
Good results. I know everyone will point out the obvious that the V8 has 35s vs 33s on the 2.8. They will also point out the canopy and bar work weight.
But please know that V8 is not only tuned like Rohnis, with big exhaust and 4” snorkel, it also has a larger hiflow aftermarket turbo and large intercooler.
2.8 still standard power lol.
Since when V8 needs excuses
As it stands the V8 is still the proven reliable unit. Chances are the new one won’t last as long
@@gamebredduramax71 And that's the gist of it. My guess is that the V8 will outlast the 2.8.
@@gamebredduramax71the 2.8 has been around for 9 years and there are far more of them kicking round pulling big caravans than the v8. People hated the v8 when it came and it issues burning oil and it still has issues with dust ingest causing plenty of failures. The v8 is nothing special.
@@m5wm6w look, sadly Toyota is leaning in on the planned obsolescence tactics of the rest of the car industries, they used to build them to see how long they could last and we had over built beast of vehicles, now these manufacturers are battling the governments over stringent emissions and other regulations in order for them to remain profitable they have to turn more vehicles and to do that they can’t be lasting 10 and 20 years no more.
Not fair contest, they’re different colours
So good to see Torb's back! Like a genuinely good fit on screen with you Ronny.
Glad to see Torbs and Little Bear. I missed his laugh, really thought the salt lakes were the end of his appearances.
Thanks champ
I'll still be joining the occasional trip as a guest
Got a solution for you blokes. Just get a 200 series. Sound power and torque of the v8 with ease of the auto 😂
Blokes ?really mate😂
I still believe the most obvious thing to point out is the weight between the two. Yes the 76 is holding its own at this time in the current configuration. Add some more weight and I'm sure that will drastically change it.
Put simple I am sure it will be great as a Light Weight Tourer, but as a Heavy Weight Tourer I suspect it's going to struggle.
Now to get back to the V8 or I4. If you like the V8 and prefer the Home on Wheel then stick with that. If the Wife is thinking of going to something else from whatever she has then see what she thinks. Perhaps the 76 will fit what she wants and needs.
That's my input for you Ronny
Still prefer the V8 manual if i was to ever buy one. But Patrol coily ute Td42ti beats them all Lol.
So let’s put my GX 200 series which at the time of purchase cost the same as the 76 2.8l. It has the auto factory and the V8 turbo diesel, albeit with an extra turbo. Let’s see how they compare…
But hang on torbs said the iconic 70 series is v8 but the iconic 70 series original came with a 4 cylinder 2l turbo, the 1kz 4 cylinder, the 13b-t, then a couple ov versions of straight 5 cylinder engines followed by the iconic straight 6 engines then the v8. Now back to 4 cylinder. Yes the v8 might be great but the true icon of the 70 series is the straight 6
Four cylinder is great but if im in the middle of nowhere and its 50 degrees id rather be in low pressure V8 than high pressure four cylinder. Maybe a mechanic can correct me about that, but ill take some convincing.
we run the 4 cyl Hilux's in the Pilbara. At 4pm in the middle of Feb on a 48 degree day the ground will be around 70-74 degrees. We've never had an issue with the heat - blows me away that machines operate in that heat!! Been in the Pilbara for 20 yrs, the 4 cylinders have been bullet proof for us.
@@chrisandshazza01 Hope it stays good for you.
@user-uc8zo6be5x you don't need to, just push it, it will start without starter motor but 4 cylinder will not start
Great to see Torbs back on the channel.
I think the writing is on the wall for the V8. Toyota will only improve power, torque, economy & emissions with the 4-pot as time goes on. The only thing that will be missing from the 2.8 is that awesome exhaust note.
Equal comparison required. Get a V8 76, same tyres, same weight. True results then.
I couldn't see the final score because the adds for other episodes was in the way... :)
Same here, came her to see if someone else had this problem!
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I think the auto transmission played more of a role than what people give it credit for. If Toyota had paired an auto with the V8, the conversations would be different. But ultimately its a sales call for Toyota and we're just seeing the consumer justification for moving away from the V8 engine. I believe a channel (TJ and Mac) is tuning the ZF 8 speed with 70 series. There are others as well. Compare the 2,8L with a V8 with auto.
Hey mate love your channel. In the UAE we still get the V6 4.0L version (4.0L, V6, 24-VALVE DOHC VVT-I). You reckon this will be a good buy or wait for the 2.8L (if it ever comes here)? The main thing I will be using it for desert camping (so desert sand driving)
The V6 is waaay better for desert work, only positive to the 2.8 is fuel economy otherwise the v6 has more power and is good for 300,000+kms
If only the 2.8L inline 4 didn't have a disfunctional traction control system, but still would prefer the 3.3L V6 from the 300 series.
Good old oil burner 6 cylinder. They’re having issues with it hence I reckon it was never used.
The 3.3 probably costs 5 times as much as the 2.8. It takes a few seconds to fully turn off the traction control. Press and hold but I think you need to be stationary.
bleh v6 stinky! Inline engines all the way.
Toyota traction control system is amazing, the only dysfunctional thing about it is someone who doesn’t know when to and when not to use it.
@@simmo6035If Ronny didn't bother to turn off the traction control after he started the 2.8L up then the egg is on his face.
Ronny. Please do a stock 2.8 vs v8 drag race to 100kph, towing a trailer. Just keep adding weight till the v8 wins. Surely it will take over, even with a manual.
I have a Troopcarrier 2.8 you can turn the traction control off manually a short press of the button a long press 3 seconds will disable TRC/A-TRC and VSC systems
You have to be sitting still to do that, I was in motion committed to the hill climb would have cost a fail if I stopped to turn it off
@@Ronny_Dahl My previous HILUX was the same on anything but sand I would leave the traction control on I got caught out just as you did more often than I like to admit regards Mike
That lighter engine up front probably helps with the push back on those hills
In high range maybe the traction control can be fully turned off with a 5second press of the button?
You can pull a fuse on the 120 Prado d4d to disable it, I was wondering if you can do similar with this one (?)
Yes, you can.
You need to be stationary though.
This was just an auto vs Manual comparison. Get a wholesale automatic auto converted 70 and see what happens.
20k+ for wholesale auto conversion on top of his V8 which already has a upgraded larger bolt on turbo, larger intercooler, pipework, exhaust, air box, snorkel, tune, clutch.
All that against standard 2.8 👌🏽
The point is it’s got nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with auto vs manual. I didn’t mention cost of after market changes, I was just pointing out a fact.
exactly.... stock they have the same power, so basically no difference. take away the auto and it's the same except the 4cyl is cheaper to do injectors and wear out faster. when you modify them the v8 will take 20psi extra boost and the 4cyl wont.
Great shakedown Ronney. Awesome to see ya back on channel Torbes👍
"It was like driving an electric car for a minute..."
Thems fightin' words! Lol
well done putting the cards directly over the results...
What to say? all depends on driver‘s skills and some luck. V8 or 4 Cylinder does not play a major role, automatic gives definitely some more luxury for driving and avoids mistakes of chosen gear. Time will tell us how long the automatic gear box and the 4 cyl engine will last, both definitely running closer to their limits than in a stock or moderate tuned V8.
I'd like to see some more work done to the 76, Give it a tune and 3inch. Those 2.8 sound ok for a turbo diesel 4. also would like to know if the tracking issue on the rear has been fixed since no longer wide v8. Also in regards to the Auto vs Manual having had both on the sand the auto is far greater.
The 2.8 land cruiser runs hot when towing and sand driving. Each cylinder working double the rate to put out the same power as the V8.
Yes the 4 cylinder seems to cut the mustard but I’m a traditionalist. If you were into American muscle cars, would you buy a V8 Mustang for that sound or the 4 cylinder? Just a question. Good review you did.
As a gear head for as long as I can remember, I would have to go, the 4cyl. I like the technology and I like V8's that actually sound good 😉
Disclaimer. To be fair a completely stock exhaust on the 1VD sounds ok.
Hi Ronny, have you fitted wheel spacers to the rear of the 2.8 76?
The tissue boxes out again for V8 Landcruiser owners. looking at the. 2.8 wining hands down is this future for Toyota.....interesting i will still stick with my 1hz half million km 80 not wanting to own either the new 76 2.8 or 79 v8
A lot of the results were driver error and not really the car, but it was still fun to see
Terrific fun comparative video. And so great to see Torbs again - he's been missed! The 2.8 is clearly the better vehicle! Also the low range speed test results were upside down! The 2.8 clearly has a lower low range - which is precisely the point of low range! So the 2.8 won on points! And that's without commenting that for me, I prefer the quieter engine and exhaust note.
While the V8 sounds good I feel if you want to hear that noise go to the race track. From someone that used to live on a main road listening to people gunning their V8 and modified Diesel 4wds was bloody annoying. Hearing all this noise but they still aren't going fast. Same applies when you go for a relaxing camp in the bush and hear the clowns limiter bashing their rigs. Honestly the 4cyl actually seems pretty good and yes IM sure you will get clowns modifying their exhaust systems still but over all it seems to be holding it's own against the big V8 plus it is cheaper, probably lighter, not as thirsty etc etc.
Auto all theway :-) they're so much easier in the sand and slow stuff... My Pajero sport has done the Yaegerup trip twice and only once got stuck once on the way up Callcup hiil (8spd auto, stock suspension on 32.6 inch tryes 265/70r17)
What would your thoughts be on the 2.8 if they were to put the six speed manual behind it? Improvement or does the auto suit the 2.8 more?
Ronny why did you always go for the steely instead of alloys? 320 Method race wheel/rim matte black MR32078550500 do look like a stelly. I love this type of alloy rims and not the one with 8 to 10 spoke like wheels. In my humble opinion.
I nearly spent the mkney on a ZF 8 speed auto conversion for my 79 v8. Now that would be an interesting comparison
I think the 4cyl is a great option for some, but how is this even close to a comparison due to the massive weight etc differences. Good for the views I suppose
It's hardly a fair comparison putting a man of Torbens talents against an amateur like Ronny 😂😂😂 good to see the A Crew back together
In the 200, if you hold down the traction control button for five seconds while the car is stationary, you can turn off the system. It is worth trying in the 70.
I figure it all depends on how long you want to keep it. V8 means relatively relaxed. The little 4 is getting blood from a stone.
Not sure what my next 4wd is going to be but I do know one thing. I am keeping it as close to stock as I can and I am not bolting on all the heavy shit. If I get a bullbar for Roos, it will be Alloy. I will be applying the KISS principle. Who knows, the way the current Government is going to tax us for not having electric, I may never get another 4wd which is concerning. Good clip Ronny.
I thought when you said you were gona load both vehicles up, I assumed you were going to load them up with equal cargo/weights.. The 2.8 looked empty to me..
Yes Ronny that auto would make a big difference on the sand as it seem to do things easy once you know how to drive it .
I couldn’t stand listening to the drone of the V8 on a long trip - glad it’s on your car
2021 Prado owners smirk knowlingly... that engine has been around for a while.
Do you need to reprogram the ecu in these to recalibrate the speedo and shift points for the auto? Not sure how the auto 70 series setup, but this is a common task in other vehicles that can really make a difference as you go up in tire size.
what are the weights of each car?
tyre brand and size?
new or old?
are they standard?
tyre pressure?
Torbs is back👍
I don't know about the Landcruisers but on the Navara's you can just pull the fuse for the traction control.
Sand driving doesn't require four-wheel drive just low tyre pressures and an automatic
You think Ronny and torbs didn't have their tyres pressures down?
@@simmo6035 I'm sure they did, I'm just pointing out that beach driving is a terrible way of comparing 4x4 ability coz you don't even need a 4x4 to do it.
The new 79 is butt ugly, not sure what toyota were thinking on that new front end plus the new dash looks horrendous
I think the comparison test was a little unfair. First of all the 79 was a lot heavier than the 76 and second there is significant difference in the wheelbase of the two vehicles. Although difficult for you I would have liked to have seen two 76 cruisers compared. I think the remap for the V8 was a good idea as the V8 is significantly detuned and can get much more out of it than you can with remapping (if it is possible) the 2.8
This really shows the capability of modern automatic transmissions. They really even the score
Offer the automatic on the V8
The capability of the new 2.8 is certainly a surprise to me at least but I don't think I'm quite ready to shelve the V8 just yet, just the sound alone is adequate compensation for the extra fuel the V8 uses and an auto gearbox does not hold much appeal to me either.
I guess its just nice to have a choice....as a person that loves the sounds of a V8 makes it hard when pretty much everything with the 2.8 auto just makes sence especially for touring...i would rather the economy the quite and the relaxing drive of an auto any day when smashing kms..at least you can have a conversation in the 2.8 doing 100km
Nice to see you keeping it calm and balanced, not all emotional ranting.
😂😂😂
Great to see Torben ❤
How much is the motor, and how much is the automatic transmission. If the V8 had an automatic transmission, would the results be the same?
its more fun than serious but great to see how it tags along ;) nice to follow how ronny gains experience on it so he can tell at the end. vehicles are always individual decisions. cheers!
Why not get a 76 V8 on the same tires and compare them? Or at least a 78? The 79 is so much heavier.
There’s always that person🤦♂️
After watching all, I think, of your 2.8 video's I'd say that the 2.8 Auto is making a compelling argument for itself. And as for the V8 sound? I assume it's running an aftermarket 3" exhaust
I'm writing you from the top of the Yeagarup exit. Did it in my fully laded 76series from 2021 lowrange 3rd 33'muddy 8/15psi, from the middle section. 16psi was far too high
I can't understand why you tried to conquer this hill with that speed.
Hold down the traction control off button for like 5 to 10 seconds and it will be completely turned off?
I love v8s that sound, lets face is we all love owning a v8. The truth though is if you can accept you are no longer driving a v8 it just makes sense to move towards the 4, and its got an auto making it far more enjoyable as a daily drive and in traffic. Wow the world is changing, not sure i am ready.
Lovely Ep and 4wds guys. When I was 20 to 40 I loved a V8 bark. but now I am nearly 60 I hate it, 2,8lt auto thanks.
Seems like there may have been a little driver error involved with this test.
The new 70 is still surprisingly good no matter what way you look at it, still not sure if I want one though. Longevity just can’t be tested anytime soon hey. Thanks for giving it a crack, good video.
Great video. But, I've never understood why you use low range so much. I've always had a Prado with the same running gear as your new wagon, and watching the V8, I now understand why.
How about for your next challenge, don't use low range. You'll find that the 2.8 runs better without it. Save low range for emergencies.
Well if a car out of factory performs so well compared to a tuned and modified one, then it is a win for the 2.8L. Obviously, Toyota (the only folks who know both engines inside out) will upgrade the series with a better Engine and that's what they did.
It is hard to have a reasonable discussion with those, especially older people with loud shrill voices who are in denial and think that something is being "taken away from them". The world moves on; some good, some bad. The landcruiser started off with small engines and did everything asked. The new iteration will do the same. Those wedded to the past will remain so and there is nothing one can do to change their mindset
The 2.8L diesel engine's range is absolutely unbeatable. Not to mention that Toyota's diesel engines are practically immortal. It's not even a fair fight between a huge, outdated gas guzzler and a modern diesel engine with innovative but proven technology and Toyota's usual quality.
I think it's not fair to compare 79 v8 on a 76 v6. Weight matters. How about trying on 76 v8 and everything equal in weight and tyres?
The only thing the V8 has over the 4 (aside from possible longevity) is sound. Doesn't win on power, torque, fuel economy, emissions or weight. Just noise. And to some that noise might not be wanted either.
Comparing factory specs, the 2.8 has the same power but more torque. To the engineers at Toyota, it’s a just a power plant that performs better with lower emissions. They don’t really care how it makes people feel.
Personally, I think they should drop in a Detroit two stroke V6 cause they sound awesome.
Toyota don't give a shit about what people want
We need to know for comparing: same tyre sizes? Same kerbweights?
Hi Ronny great to see these tests. I would also like to suggest to have a look at comparing the mahindra pick up truck with the 79 series 4 cylinder since they are both very similar agriculture vehicles. Better yet if you could do a build series with one adding your twist on modifications which will be interesting to see and compare since both vehicles have a large difference in price. Cheers from Sri Lanka!
Being a Land Cruiser, it need to have a bigger engine. Having a auto box in it makes up for a lot, but it just don't feel right with a 2.8 four cylinder in it.
Great comparison video, great to see Torb's and great to see him eating a little portion of humble pie.
why they never did a new version of a 6 cylinder cruiser is beyond me.... i still say the v8 for new cruisers way to go
Six in the Hilux would do it for me.
Hey mate, love your content. Have learned heaps! Would you ever modify a Mahindra pickup? Hear they're good, not good looking, but it could be a lot of smoke. Figured you'd be the guy to pressure test it proper. All the best mate
Weight charges are different between both cars . It is not fair for the v8 power land cruiser. Anyway, thanks for your videos
All good fun, but again all this proves to me is not vehicle capability but driver error! Torbs said it best the auto saves your butt, so from that point of view Toyota has done a very good job of dialing in the auto.
I know you aren't a professional tester and people need to keep in mind that any vehicle weight and weight distribution is a bigger is a bigger factor if all other things are equal eg tires are at right pressures.
I regularly run my vehicle against much lighter vehicles and unlocked, and those lighter vehicles are usually autos, those drivers usually would struggle much more in a manual and a heavier vehicle. So Auto definitely helps anyone esp uphill.
Yesterday in soft river conditions like deep sand, this bed pulled you down ,the last part of the day all I could smell was a Auto tranny from the Hilux 2 cars ahead of me, when they finally aired down, I was not struggling the Hilux while better on 32s was still struggling a bit and it had more weight in it than your 76 with a full tray, it was still very capable and well driven, surprised me how it handled the terrain and I have had 2 of them in that model, but I never put my auto through that abuse, still that smell made me happy I was in my MT 80s. I have burnt an Auto out many years ago.
I really like to see you weight bridge Torbs truck and then the 76 afterwards and I'm still out on how a Troopy 2.8 or a 79 DC 2.8l, wit hthe same weight still on 33s would compare!
What I do think is proved is the 2.8l auto can hold its own and is doing well and I have seen that on other channels even towing a small caravan with family and kids, again not super hard 4wd tracks, but decent trails, but still enough for who is going to buy this vehicle.
Jury is still out for me on how the Auto and 2.8l will hold up under loads with real weight that most add to these vehicles esp in the Troopy form RT conversions and kitchen sink every ASP accessory you can build into them and the DC 79s form eg Tray and Canopy and chassis extensions and the sink as well. That will be the real test.
I would never choose one or the other based on these tests however.
I also think ASP put forward a very good point, this engine is already turned up to near max point, its high strung, even if not showing that, its tuned to that point and not much room left, where as the V8 is easily tunable modable add an Auto conversion and see what driver error comparisons you get. JMO.
I think fair comparison needs a 76 v8 vs 76 I4 both wagons not Ute vs wagon.
To me it’s an interesting video, but it’s not really answering the question it appears to. A better engine and a more modern transmission are, well, better. There are things that still might trip up an automatic like heat, but that didn’t come up.
So…. what question is the video really answering: “What should you expect to experience if you buy a new 70, and are not yet used to how to operate it. Especially if you have driven v8 70s. “
That seems like a good question to answer.
The low range speed test was very good. I'm guessing the auto wouldn't go past 4th gear - like the 200series where it locks out 5th and 6th gear when in low range.
that's what I didn't like with my 200 , now in a 76 v8, love driving the manual in the bush.auto was boring.
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Hey Ronny I’m wondering what you thing they will do after the v8 is finished in terms of a manual. Do you thing they will start offering the 1gd with the 6 speed hilux manual because I can imagine no everyone will want an auto even if the 2.8 is good with the auto
I'm sure you can turn the traction control off. The Prados can.
2.8 won for sure, Imagine the fuel usage from Torbs V8, and the V8 noise would be annoying....at one point Torbs says I'll need ear plugs....
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