Somewhere in Elysium, Archimedes was lamenting the historical defeat of Syracuse, but cheering this defeat of Rome, albeit in a game, all while wooing like Ric Flair... Wooo!!!
Those Praetorians fought like lions. Caesar himself would be proud. The Syracusan cavalry was just too much and they won mostly by weight of numbers in the end. Some Cohort units in place of Triari probably would have helped Rome win this battle. The Syracuse player did a good job supporting the infantry with the cavalry. Interesting and very close battle. Thanks to Heir for sharing it with us and thanks to both players for a fun battle.
Yeah, and for many generations the Tyrant of Syracuse caused all sorts of political strife around the western Mediterranean. The city-state was never really strong enough to dominate all of Sicily but was constantly fighting with or against Rome and Carthage in an attempt to maintain control over nearby sea routes.
@@howitzer551 for some time they were a force to be reckoned with but that was before the rise of rome mainly during the 5th and 4th century when Carthage was dominating a big part of Western Mediterranean
Hey Heir! Thorax hoplites are quite good for their cost. They cost the exact same as Thorax swords but beat them pretty handily 1v1 when they charge each other, even if the thorax get a javie vollie off.
One thing that bothers me is army's whete BC and AD units are mixed together. Also the two most historically powerful factions (Rome and Carthage) always seem to lose. Great reply however and thanks to Heir for posting these
Nahh rome wins a LOT! These videos get shown because its impressive to beat them. Rome normally just presses forward clicks and wins without much micro
@@dandogamer I mean in terms of his vids throughout the years since he started Rome 2 vids how many times has Rome actually won 1v1 against anybody edit: obviously many times over the years since he's been doing this a long time but Rome's win/loss is highly on the losing side
Rome wins most of the time. They are really OP. They have everything in multiplayer except chariots and you can't go wrong with Rome. If a player lose as Rome ,then it's an absolute shameful display. Imagine using cheat code and still losing against the AI, that's basically the same as using Rome and a player still lose against other factions.
bad army composition from the roman player . you never want gladiators/gladiatrices at 16K funds . they will get shreaded by heavy cav. or any missile unit . i know they pack a puch in terms of charge which roman infantry is generally lacking and they bring sorta shock "barbarian" charge type flavour to roman army but they are just too risky ... bringing 6 of them into a single high funds battle is madness ... 6 veteran legionaries would win this battle instead of 3 elites .
Heir: "Ya know, I'm not sure if Rome and Syracuse ever historically went to war."
Archimedes: "Am I a joke to you?" 😂
Somewhere in Elysium, Archimedes was lamenting the historical defeat of Syracuse, but cheering this defeat of Rome, albeit in a game, all while wooing like Ric Flair... Wooo!!!
agreed
RIP to the spear gladriatices, well done by the hippeus
Rome sacked Syracuse. "Do not disturb my circles!" is the famous quote.
Those Praetorians fought like lions. Caesar himself would be proud. The Syracusan cavalry was just too much and they won mostly by weight of numbers in the end. Some Cohort units in place of Triari probably would have helped Rome win this battle. The Syracuse player did a good job supporting the infantry with the cavalry. Interesting and very close battle. Thanks to Heir for sharing it with us and thanks to both players for a fun battle.
well said!
There has been conflict between these factions, the siege of Syracuse!, famous for Archimedes' defenses
Yeah, and for many generations the Tyrant of Syracuse caused all sorts of political strife around the western Mediterranean. The city-state was never really strong enough to dominate all of Sicily but was constantly fighting with or against Rome and Carthage in an attempt to maintain control over nearby sea routes.
@@howitzer551 for some time they were a force to be reckoned with but that was before the rise of rome mainly during the 5th and 4th century when Carthage was dominating a big part of Western Mediterranean
Hey Heir! Thorax hoplites are quite good for their cost. They cost the exact same as Thorax swords but beat them pretty handily 1v1 when they charge each other, even if the thorax get a javie vollie off.
I think he was mixing them with the thureos hoplites which do actually suck
The frost… sometimes it makes the blade stick
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing kind sir.
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Heir your answer to why the General does not have a Praetorian 'Body Guard' lies in your preface of how backstabby they were?
They weren't always backstabbing, even the game explains the historical accounts of it being towards the later life of the Empire.
@sushanalone well played haha
Well tbh the praetorians only assassinated like 10 emperors
great work by both teams!
That's a good point! It would be great to have a general in a pretorian cavalry unit. The Legatus by itself is not good.
Naaah they Will Just end up backstabbing him for habit
That was awesome😹😹
First, damn, cool. Great battle. Would watch again 5/5
Het @heirofcarthage do you ever play or cast Troy? I recently bought it, it's much fun!
Hello heir, I have some cool replays I could send to you. A real roman brawl, a short but very intense 3v3, and so on.
One thing that bothers me is army's whete BC and AD units are mixed together. Also the two most historically powerful factions (Rome and Carthage) always seem to lose. Great reply however and thanks to Heir for posting these
for such an op faction rome loses alot, but at the same time i hate seeing rome win so i am tourn between the win rate of rome
Nahh rome wins a LOT! These videos get shown because its impressive to beat them. Rome normally just presses forward clicks and wins without much micro
@@dandogamer I mean in terms of his vids throughout the years since he started Rome 2 vids how many times has Rome actually won 1v1 against anybody
edit: obviously many times over the years since he's been doing this a long time but Rome's win/loss is highly on the losing side
@random guy It really isn't if you've watched his old old videos like 6 years ago. Rome won like a good 80% of the time.
Rome wins most of the time. They are really OP. They have everything in multiplayer except chariots and you can't go wrong with Rome. If a player lose as Rome ,then it's an absolute shameful display. Imagine using cheat code and still losing against the AI, that's basically the same as using Rome and a player still lose against other factions.
@TheBikeOnTheMoon well atleast it's historically accurate for them to be this op 😂
bad army composition from the roman player .
you never want gladiators/gladiatrices at 16K funds .
they will get shreaded by heavy cav. or any missile unit .
i know they pack a puch in terms of charge which roman infantry is generally lacking
and they bring sorta shock "barbarian" charge type flavour to roman army
but they are just too risky ... bringing 6 of them into a single high funds battle is madness ...
6 veteran legionaries would win this battle instead of 3 elites .