I have a '92 western wilderness.. 11.5.. when i go camping in it, i run the whole camper (for now) with my Eu2000i Honda. haven't put solar on it yet. but it powers the roof AC just fine. I did install a 9k Pioneer in my home\RV.. and it's super quiet and run it off my 400a through the 12v 3000 multiplus II and 2360w of solar. wish i bought the 12k instead.
So they are basically very close in term of power consumption.... considering that this roof unit is like 20 yrs old and has 20yrs old technology, right ? I bet a 2024, roof heat pump inverter would have the same results AND have nothing hanging on the back / take over all less space.... Thanks for the video, appreciate
At full output the load is about 20 to 25% lower, however notice the temp drop in the 15 minutes of mini split run time. More btu's moved with less watts consumed = mini split way more efficient. On the AUTO setting, the inverter mini split will consume less power after initial cooldown as the fans and compressor will run only as fast as needed to maintain the temperature. This is a huge advantage when running off solar. As for a 2024 roof inverter heat pump, the cost will be quite substantial (anything with RV in front of it is extra cost) and specs such as SEER 2 will not normally be listed because RV rated falls under different standards than residential.
I’m installing a mini-split off the back of my WBO Ekko. Going to have it look like the AE ON. I bought the cassette version. Pioneer. Any words of wisdom ?
Ceiling cassette or one way? I'm assuming ceiling cassette as the one way is 230-240V. Either one will require a box to hang it down from the ceiling or you will have to cut a large hole in the roof and build up the opening for the cassette height. A RV roof air or RV ventilation fan hole is 14x14 standard. The 9K recessed ceiling cassette is 23.5x23.5 and 10.5 high. This most likely will require some work on the roof material to get a good seal. If headroom isn't a problem, you could just build a box down from the ceiling to house the cassette. This would be my preferred option for a cassette. You would probably want to cover the lines and don't forget you need a drain line somewhere. It might be easiest to install in the rear bedroom area and build down from the ceiling. I have a 12K floor mounted Pioneer in my living room. It works well. Some of the floor mounted units can be ceiling mounted like the Flex but those are 230-240V. The indoor unit for the floor mounted is not small however. But it is an option. If I had more wall space in the camper near the floor I would have maybe used one. Would have been easier to run the lines.
No, I always have my camper in a shed when I'm not using it. I purposely made the unit sit behind the camper with nothing sticking past the side and the brace on the side so it had some protection.
There's this rig called AEONRV that uses a mini split. I love the rig for its clearance, off-roading capabilities and innovative bathroom set up but what keeps me from considering it, is the bulky half of the mini split that sticks out the back. Reminds me of the look of a window AC. lol It's a clean looking rig if not for that huge fan box that hangs off the back. I see it doesn't look odd on yr rig cuz y have a utility box that is just as large so it doesnt look odd. Did y ever consider an undermounted cruise n comfort AC which is more low profile or is the mini split more superior in yr opinion?
I looked at Cruise n Comfort, price is a big con. I used to converse with a custom truck camper builder on FB and he used those units but his campers also started at $150K. With my unit on the back of the rig, it does free up more precious RV roof real estate for more panels. I actually prefer it there when in wooded areas compared to the roof air. I'm surprised the roof air didn't have a destroyed cover with some of the trails I've been on. With just the inverter box on the back it did look somewhat odd, this certainly balances it out. I've seen many of the expedition vehicle builders mounting a heat pump unit on the back side too, they have side entry which would be even better but I work with what I have and make it work. Back to the Cruise n Comfort systems, I looked at the power draw on the 24V unit(33A x 26V= 858W) One question is whether that draw is the same all the time, my guess is the fans are not inverter type but it appears the compressors might be. If the fans are not inverter type, then the battery draw would be close to the roof air I removed as the fans run wide open all the time (with 3 speeds). The roof unit I removed with just the fans running had a load of about 1100W on high, shown when I first turned the unit on. Later the compressor kicked in with another 500W. Compare that to any inverter heat pump that will only turn fans and compressors at the needed rpm to maintain temp after initial cool down. That is a huge advantage when it comes to power consumption. I have 2 mini split heat pumps in my house and installing 2 in my shop. I'm sold on the technology.
Been waiting for this video for months! Great content as always, Doc Zwy 👍🏼
Agreed!
I have a '92 western wilderness.. 11.5.. when i go camping in it, i run the whole camper (for now) with my Eu2000i Honda. haven't put solar on it yet. but it powers the roof AC just fine. I did install a 9k Pioneer in my home\RV.. and it's super quiet and run it off my 400a through the 12v 3000 multiplus II and 2360w of solar. wish i bought the 12k instead.
Thanks for posting, Doc! Always fantastic videos and information!
So they are basically very close in term of power consumption.... considering that this roof unit is like 20 yrs old and has 20yrs old technology, right ? I bet a 2024, roof heat pump inverter would have the same results AND have nothing hanging on the back / take over all less space.... Thanks for the video, appreciate
At full output the load is about 20 to 25% lower, however notice the temp drop in the 15 minutes of mini split run time. More btu's moved with less watts consumed = mini split way more efficient. On the AUTO setting, the inverter mini split will consume less power after initial cooldown as the fans and compressor will run only as fast as needed to maintain the temperature. This is a huge advantage when running off solar.
As for a 2024 roof inverter heat pump, the cost will be quite substantial (anything with RV in front of it is extra cost) and specs such as SEER 2 will not normally be listed because RV rated falls under different standards than residential.
I’m installing a mini-split off the back of my WBO Ekko. Going to have it look like the AE ON. I bought the cassette version. Pioneer. Any words of wisdom ?
Ceiling cassette or one way? I'm assuming ceiling cassette as the one way is 230-240V. Either one will require a box to hang it down from the ceiling or you will have to cut a large hole in the roof and build up the opening for the cassette height. A RV roof air or RV ventilation fan hole is 14x14 standard. The 9K recessed ceiling cassette is 23.5x23.5 and 10.5 high. This most likely will require some work on the roof material to get a good seal. If headroom isn't a problem, you could just build a box down from the ceiling to house the cassette. This would be my preferred option for a cassette. You would probably want to cover the lines and don't forget you need a drain line somewhere. It might be easiest to install in the rear bedroom area and build down from the ceiling.
I have a 12K floor mounted Pioneer in my living room. It works well. Some of the floor mounted units can be ceiling mounted like the Flex but those are 230-240V. The indoor unit for the floor mounted is not small however. But it is an option. If I had more wall space in the camper near the floor I would have maybe used one. Would have been easier to run the lines.
You should remove the roof top ac and replace it with a solar panel
It was removed and a fan put in the hole. I showed that in the last part of the video. As for adding panels, I'll cover that in another video.
@@doczwy8143 looking forward for that, installing a mini split (pioneer) this weekend then removing the roof AC thereafter
Are you going to have a cover made for the mini split ?
No, I always have my camper in a shed when I'm not using it. I purposely made the unit sit behind the camper with nothing sticking past the side and the brace on the side so it had some protection.
There's this rig called AEONRV that uses a mini split. I love the rig for its clearance, off-roading capabilities and innovative bathroom set up but what keeps me from considering it, is the bulky half of the mini split that sticks out the back. Reminds me of the look of a window AC. lol It's a clean looking rig if not for that huge fan box that hangs off the back. I see it doesn't look odd on yr rig cuz y have a utility box that is just as large so it doesnt look odd. Did y ever consider an undermounted cruise n comfort AC which is more low profile or is the mini split more superior in yr opinion?
I looked at Cruise n Comfort, price is a big con. I used to converse with a custom truck camper builder on FB and he used those units but his campers also started at $150K. With my unit on the back of the rig, it does free up more precious RV roof real estate for more panels. I actually prefer it there when in wooded areas compared to the roof air. I'm surprised the roof air didn't have a destroyed cover with some of the trails I've been on. With just the inverter box on the back it did look somewhat odd, this certainly balances it out. I've seen many of the expedition vehicle builders mounting a heat pump unit on the back side too, they have side entry which would be even better but I work with what I have and make it work. Back to the Cruise n Comfort systems, I looked at the power draw on the 24V unit(33A x 26V= 858W) One question is whether that draw is the same all the time, my guess is the fans are not inverter type but it appears the compressors might be. If the fans are not inverter type, then the battery draw would be close to the roof air I removed as the fans run wide open all the time (with 3 speeds). The roof unit I removed with just the fans running had a load of about 1100W on high, shown when I first turned the unit on. Later the compressor kicked in with another 500W. Compare that to any inverter heat pump that will only turn fans and compressors at the needed rpm to maintain temp after initial cool down. That is a huge advantage when it comes to power consumption. I have 2 mini split heat pumps in my house and installing 2 in my shop. I'm sold on the technology.
@@doczwy8143 Ok. Thank u for responding. This was very informative, and I appreciate the insight. Gives me a lot to think about and (re)consider.👍