Lies Of P - The Disappointment I Wanted To Like
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2023
- Lies Of P - The Disappointment I Wanted To Like
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Lies Of P The Disappointment I Wanted To Like is a review of the souls like action RPG Lies of P, this is my honest thoughts after plaything through the entire game with over 18 hours of game time and 65% of the achievements.
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14:30 Wow exactly what i was thinking. Before every boss i did a sigh and after killing it i felt not accomplished but relieved that i can continue to explore more.
I felt this delay as well... parrying in this game is extremely awkward
You need to raise your guard not just at the last minute but keep it up. If you're tapping the button instead og holding it then your parry frames get cut in half. Making it tighter than it should be.
@@sewnmind1786 yeah i heard, i was holding it but the parry still has a very slight delay and coming from sekiro it was very hard to get used to. And it felt like you had to mostly memorize the timing rather than react to the animations, at least that's how it was when the game came out, idk if it's changed now
@@allandm Tye bosses are designed to move in humanly by being puppets with 360 joints or monsters that flail wildly. Suicide runs are a staple of the genre and I find that people have gotten to used to potentially first trying a boss. In DS2 I could easily predict how a boss was moving and killed 90% of bosses first try.
Death has essentially no penalty in Lies of P as most bosses have essentially no run back and ergo is left outside the boss door. There is no need to rush; take your time and learn the bosses rhythm. Meet the game on its terms and you will have more fun.
That delay exists but its the same as the delay that ds1 had for its roll. Once you get used to it and better understanf whatever enemy you're facing, the parrys will start becoming consistent.
Sekiro was designed for all out aggresssion and as such has a liberal parry window; Lies of P expects you to learn not react. The more you try to force it the more a carcass monster will beat you into the ground.
My brother has been playing through this recently and up to BRB he was all but refusing to parry. It made the entire experience more stressful for him.
@@sewnmind1786 i understand that, i finished the game and did end up memorizing many of the timings.
I just find Sekiro and Dark Souls bosses more fun, they are still have difficult but for the most part they are reactable. Lies of P has a few low key unreactable moves, and example is the big hulk like guy, he pulls back his foot indicating he's about to attack, holds it for a few seconds and when he releases it it's as fast as a gun, there's not even the tiniest tell... that's just became annoying to me honestly..
Is there actually scaling in the game? Like proven and mot just speculation Because I tested it and can one shot a majority of enemies in earlier zones. They don’t even deal really any real damage to me anymore as well. Also did I miss it or did you not mention how P-organs let you optimize and crazy enough customize your play style.
If there is, It's barely noticeable except for this dude apparently. Sounds more like he's letting himself and the game down, not the other way around lol
Honestly, I don't see it. I went back to some earlier zones to test this myself, even resting my stats and doing a different build - Earlier enemies were being 1 hit, where they used to be 2-4.
Bosses might scale. I certainly didn't feel a difference with some aspects during my fights, but to say the WHOLE game is scaled? Doesn't feel that way at all.
It's real
I respeced my character and dumped all my levels into one Stat relevant to my weapon
Hits to kill enemy with no levels invested into the Stat? 4 hits
Hits to kill enemy when dedicating every level to this one Stat? 4 Hits
That ruined the game for me
There is no scaling between defense or damage
@@elephantsarecool7 the game Is balanced horribly
I think that this is the first time I actually hear your voice, GLP! Thank you so much for your great work! :D
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SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!!! I thought i was trippin 😭
The only point I disagree with is the viability of parrying. The game wanted to be parry focused but it flipped straight on its face. In Sekiro, if you successfully parry through 2 combos then you are rewarded by a death blow that takes the entire health bar down. Parrying grants you a stagger strike that at most takes 25% of the health bar. IT'S JUST NOT WORTH THE RISK! The combos are way too fast and don't have rhythm with multiple delays in the combos as if the game trying to catch you off guard and if you mess up once then you will take a few hits causing you to either die or be close to death.
@@itsleaf15Lets be real, this game is overrated
Completely agree with a lot of what you said here. They clearly made this game with a lot of passion. All bosses from chapter 9-end were an absolute nightmare. You can play near perfectly for almost the entire fight and get 2 shot by an attack you can’t even see. I never had fun with a single boss in this game. Only “fuck I’m glad I don’t have to do that again” and “what is the next wall im going to run into?”
Skill issue
@@shockwave_edits9568Bozo
@@shockwave_edits9568o go touch some grass
Guess soulslikes aren't for you
@@GiovaneFugazza10 I’ve damn near platinumed every soulslike game I’ve ever touched.
Thankfully someone broke down how this isn't entirely a git gud situation. I used to avoid souls games like the plague. Then for whatever reason I decided to play Bloodborne and I absolutely loved it. Lies of P is my second soulslike game and this game embodies why I never want to play these games. The parry is inconsistent, the scaling is bad, some enemies and bosses are bullshit. Bloodborne I remember being challenging, but it was still fun. He's absolutely right when he says beating a boss isn't fun or rewarding. Everytime I beat a boss in Lies of P it's not a feel of victory. It's a feeling of oh thank God I can put the game down and try to get rid of my headache and maybe I'll pick it up later even though I really don't want to. I'm roughly halfway through the game I guess (I'm at the White Lady) and I don't have much of a desire to play it anymore.
yeah i think your just bad at the game you should probably just quit if your not enjoying yourself. Besides that the game is perfect every boss is amazing.
@@kinin4400I love how Lies of p fanboys love skill shame. Like you need fuckin degree to just press buttons.
the parry is not inconsistent. fine to not like a game but the parry is *difficult*, not inconsistent.
@@T3G33 You're wrong. The parry in this game is consistent, consistently bad. Whats the point in make a game where the parry is supposed to be a key mechanic, and then make this key not reliable?!?!
@modokongcountry5870 They skill shame because they have no real counterpoints, so they rely on "insults." I beat the game recently with a motivity build and it's mid at best. Lies of P defenders need to get gud at playing a REAL game like Elden Ring or Bloodborne.
12:41 the “rpg” got me😂😂💀💀💀💀 “souls” and “rpg” is two different things, prolly said this about elden ring too “there’s scaling” it’s a souls game not
But Elden Ring is an RPG??
@@duelcomplexityFromsoft fans are really from a different dimension
@@DnDM- they are, I hate most of em
What a great review I can tell you played the game all other reviews are the games perfect 😂😂😂
Yea like do people just like the most mediocre things nowadays
@@thegamewin100The souls-like community has shockingly low standards nowadays.
@@Akheavymetalinteresting video. Lies of p is not that great & people make it seem like it's a masterpiece.
There's some thinking it's better then dark souls & Ruined it.
The main reason I think there's a lot of suckers for this game is they never played bloodborne which this game built it's foundation from.💯
Elden ring is similar or the same way where they say the same and the best fromsoft game ever created but haven't touched bloodborne.😬😬
---Back to LiesP ....I don't want to be long-winded but it's above average but seeing all this Sugar coated nonsense it's overrated.
@@spiritualsoul2711My only souls game was Bloodborne. Loved it. Beat it three times to get all the endings and the dlc. The only thing I didn't like in Bloodborne was the chalice dungeons.
Lies of P is the second game I've tried in the souls like sphere. I regret paying for this. Beating a boss in this game isn't satisfying like it is in Bloodborne.
@@michaelbush1374Bloodborne was my favorite as well. Lies of P's combat wasn't viscerally satisfying as bloodborne's.
Seikro and other souls game has a wider window in their parry than this game. I was able to learn how to parry all the attacks in the end
But I'm glad you tested the scaling, that's something that no one else knew about
He didn't test anything, because there is no enemy scaling in lies of p. He got frustrated that skill points weren't making a big enough difference so he just made that shit up.
Same with parrying, it's true that the window is really small. But at some point he says that the timing might be random, instead of recognizing that human reaction has its limitations.
Overall it's a terrible review, you can dislike and critique a game without recurring to misinformation.
@gabrielscoccola5960 Man. You git guds are brainless. Maybe it's because you all like beating your faces into brick walls or maybe a lot of you are just autistic. I'm playing the game now and he didn't make any of that up. The amount of bullshit that's in this game is unlike anything I've ever experienced before.
@@gabrielscoccola5960oh shut up dude, the game sucks
@@Frenziedflub damn you are ass at games where you have to be good
@@Frenziedflub you probably got your ass shredded fighting the first boss didn’t you?
Exactly my thoughts. Got it for steam and refunded immediately. May play on Xbox game pass for the story.
The point you made about the scaling sounds insane. I haven't seen any other reviewer mention that. When you fully reset your character and it made barely any difference because of the scaling, it really must've been a "this game is a Lie" moment.
No other reviewer has because it isn't a problem. I definitely haven't experienced it. Not sure what this dude's problem is lol
Like every other souls game and souls clone in existence, on NG scaling doesn't matter as much as the upgrade level on the weapon. He was probably using a weapon with average scaling in the first place too.
Nobody else mentioned it because it's not true.
Stats offer diminishing returns, so that going from 29 to 30 vitality doesn't give as much hp as going from 19 to 20.
But enemies themselves don't scale, that's just misinformation.
@@GameBooAdvancePlusyou can see in the videó tehát he is using the Slash type head on a ppke Handler in the BRB fight so your probably right.
@@elephantsarecool7No. The reviewer is definitely right.
I have literally been watching since I was 10 years old and I have never once heard your voice until now
I think Lies of P just initiated a whole new game genre: Catmariolike.
I didn’t think I get to here what you sound like. What made you give a review this time round?
The lack of poise is terrible. The bosses are so so. The parrying timing is just bizarre. They have spring action attacks and even if you perfect parry you aren’t rewarded much. Boss fights are simply too long. 5+ minutes is just a slog. Run backs should never be a thing and a lot are 25 seconds.
Have you never seen or played a Soulslike before... lolol
I agree runbacks generally shouldn't be a thing, but the 'runbacks' in this game are, as you say, 25 secs or so - a straight run from the stargazer to the boss door, maybe dashing past a grunt or two. Not the end of the world.
Also where did this notion that 5+mins on a boss is "too long" come from? That's about average for a boss, especially a Soulslike boss. Monster Hunter fights all take upwards of 15mins, and those games are amazing.
The lack of poise is clearly taken from BB, but the issue is many enemies have so little downtime you have almost no openings for big hits. Having no poise worked in BB because your attacks were fast and your enemies usually had as little poise as you, but in this game a lot of your moves are slower and enemies have tons of poise, not to mention some of the stupid 10-hit wombo combos some of them shit out.
And yeah, the parrying is way too hard as well. I get that they need to give some space for the Guard Regain mechanic, but the parry window is so tight that only sweats can pull it off consistently. They clearly want you to use it judging from the wombo combos and the undodgeable/unblockable red attacks, but the window is too small for the average player to even bother. The reason constant parrying worked in Sekiro is because the window was generous and enemies had obvious pacing and rhythm and didn't fight like they were drunk or coked.
Don't get me wrong, the game is very good for a non-From Souls game, but it could do with a few tweaks to make it more straight-up challenge and less frustration.
@@elephantsarecool7 Mortal Shell, Steel Rising, Ashen, Lords of the Fallen, every Souls game I’ve platinumed and beaten 10 times on average including challenge runs. Lies is a good Game but some of it is weird. No poise is annoying. 25 second run backs are still crap. You should start outside boss room. No boss (with a few exceptions) shouldn’t be more than 5 minutes.
I love runbacks. Get good
@@valkyrion_ex1173w take
Bro this game makes me want to put my head through a wall
Yeah... Victorian iRobot sounds like an amazing idea. Hopefully they'll iron the issues out.
Off topic but I love your voice! Please do more reviews!!
Thank God for the Xbox pass I tried this game and was like meh let it go real fast
Don't know what everyone thought, but for this game will always "reminded of Bloodborne/Fromsoft, the parrying is like Sekiro". There are not many thing to make this game remembered as their own special idenitity. But base from this game, they should make other game but with their own originality.
Don't know what you're talking about, none of the main line souls game felt "original" just mediocare midieval fantasies (story and esthetic wise). If that's gonna be the main criteria, then there might as well be no originality in games nowadays at all, and that's not a bad thing in my opinion.
@@fallasleep9472Dark souls 1 felt like a 1:1 translation from Berserk 1997 in terms of world and physics
@@Gelato41_ Fr, even the ennemies like Taurus demon were almost identical to Nosferatu Zod. Miyazaki took so much from Berserk except people don't complain about it as plagirasim, rather reference.
For black rabbit brotherhood and most other bosses I feel like you need to absolutely demolish them w everything you have which doesn't make me feel like I'm learning the boss but just doing as much damage as fast as I can
Not to mention having to fuckin babysit all the effects that enemies put onto you is annoying af. Also having enemies at the end not giving out high amounts of ergo is annoying like why do ending area enemies still give out 150 ergo. There really aren't any good farming spots to boost stats ether
It's because the stats don't matter. They don't affect anything in this game.
I actually think the graphics look great and im loving the vibe of the atmosphere
Oh my god, I can't even imagine playing Sekiro the way you described playing it. Just memorize the patterns, man, yes, you will die a LOT, but on the other hand, once you master the boss, you feel like you have truly and completely mastered them, and you will be able to beat them without a hitch every time.
Sekiro is way easier than lies of P in my opinion, you have better defensive options and bosses don’t always bombard you with fatal and delayed attacks. Also you can block as long as your posture bar isn’t full.
Lies of P is basically parry or take damage and waste your heals.
@@DnDM- Sekiro is not easy but unlike Lies of P it is fair. And that's why it's fun. For me it almost took a whole playthrough of Sekiro until it finally clicked. And since then, it's been one of the best games of all times for me. Never before in a video game have I experienced such a steep learning curve from getting destroyed by enemies to not getting hit a single time. What I mean is, in Sekiro you learn to master and dominate the game and that is the fun part of it.
Because of the tiny parry window in addition to lightspeed attacks and endless combos, Lies of P is just frustrating. Most of the bosses took me somewhat between 2 and 4 hours to beat them leaving me with rage and disappointment rather than a satisfying feeling of having achieved something.
@@Ratchet1977 I beat lies of P not too long ago and can say I will never be replaying it ever again. Maybe if they fix the issues you just talked about but other than that, no. Like you, nearly every boss gave made me angry (especially King of Puppets Phase 2).
@@DnDM-sekiro is not easy it’s just better developed, flat out it just out classes this in all ways, sekiros combat is almost perfect and is fluid and more like a dance
@@Ratchet1977Lies of P devs made the same mistake that so many other people make when trying to emulate Fromsoft. “Souls games are hard, let’s make a hard game!” Then put little thought into it beyond that.
Its Parry heavy, yet they are puppets with ridiculously erratic movements making it extremely hard to telegraph. So the challange comes from the goofy ass enemy jerking around. 2nd crack at the game after LOTF. Edit. On NG+ gg
As a Soulsborne veteran who considers Bloodborne a true work of art, I was so happy when I saw that for the first time the game was coming out which actually could prove to be worthy of the From Software’s masterpieces. The environment, music, atmosphere- everything looked great at the beginning and gave off a true Bloodborne vibe. One had something to play until the Elden Ring DLC came out. Unfortunately, the more one progresses, the more terrible the game becomes. Especially the bosses. The design is extremely poor, and there are so many pointless, unnecessary boss fights, which were only created to frustrate you. In the second half of the game, there was not a single boss where I was not extremely frustrated, and I never felt any fulfillment after beating any single one of them. Ultimately I just wanted it to be over. However, towards the end of the game I just couldn’t take it anymore and deleted it from my console. In From Software‘s Soulsborne games, every boss feels like an achievement, like a piece of the puzzle, and one can replay them over and over again to experience that same joyous feeling. Lies of P is a pointless, unbelievably frustrating game, and I really regret that I wasted money on it.
word for word bar for fucking bar. i beat eldin ring, bloodborne, demon souls, every dark souls. loved every second of em. i was so ready for this trash to end it’s the most annoying inconsistent piece of shit i’ve touched.
As a great man once said, git gud
@@dondadaentertainment yep.
@@Pyromaniac963 It seems you have difficulties understanding written English and I‘m sorry for that disadvantage of yours. Could you have understood my comment, then you would also have understood that gitting gud at this particular game makes no sense to begin with.
@@seek_pale_blood1908 I read your comment, I just can’t see how anyone who claims to be experienced in From’s games could genuinely believe any of that. I don’t even necessarily disagree with some of your complaints regarding some bosses, I just don’t see how you can act as if this is new to these types of games as if Bed of Chaos, Royal Rat Authority and Godskin Duo don’t exist, for example. I mean Bloodborne is one of my favourite games of all time but if there’s one thing Lies of P does better than Bloodborne, it’s bosses. Only the Gehrman fight can be compared favourably to King of Puppets, Luxasia or Nameless Puppet (not including dlc because Lies of P dlc is not out yet)
Beat the game last night and i loved it so much. My biggest gripes with the game as a strength build was the lack of poise. I felt like i really had to use weapons with longer reach with that play style especially cause it was easy in some areas to get overwhelmed with enemies and kept getting staggered out of my combos. Other than that i thought it was pretty awesome, tho the last few chapters felt like a gauntlet, especially after beating the final boss and then getting another boss after that depending on what choices you made...
agreed with this. I also feel some of the later areas were just much more visually dull in comparison to some of the awesome early and midgame areas. That big tower you were going up and up toward the end was pretty dull imo. Felt almost like a glorified bloodborne chalice dungeon as though it was randomly generated. Would have liked some more enemy variety as well toward the end as they began to rely on those slimy tenticle mouth dudes a lot. Great game though I loved it.
Dex build is definitely superior to strength in the game for that reason. Luckily there’s no PVP
@@ottogofast3882the two dragon blade is a massive W
so is the shield legion for your "brother"@@Pattums
@@gothxm i prefer arm that shoots the missile and the puppet string but ye aegis is a good arm
Exactly. Thank you for this therapy
I got to Walker of Illusions and just uninstalled because I also felt like no matter how I spec'd, it just didnt make a difference. I also didn't enjoy the boss fights. The issues with the parry being off seem to be very common. Sometimes I would expect it to work and it didn't. Other times, I was like oops pressed it too early, looking at the bosses arm still swinging at me from too far away, and then the parry worked. The BS really started being noticeable at The Barren Swamp. Tons of recycled mini bosses, BS level layout, and that end level boss ... awful and unfun. Took me 20x to beat him and I never felt like I learned anything about how to get better, he just did less BS to me that particular time and I survived. I give a 5/10. It's very much Diet Bloodborne more than it is Pinnochio. Plus the game just randomly becomes about alien monsters or whatever ... it's just ... yeah ... I'd be ok if there is no Lies of P 2. I'm over it for good. I don't have faith in these devs to be properly inspired by the FromSoft games in any other way outside of aesthetics.
8 hours in great atmosphere I want to love it I really do but the parry’s are so bad. One thing that helped a little was do not play with unlocked frame rate. I know it seems obvious but I’m used to playing with gsync n I’m floating between 80-90 fps with gysnc no stuttering BUT u can’t parry to save ur life. Lock to 60 is a must. Bosses alter the speeds of the same attack with no no alteration in their movement so alot of the time ur 50 50 guessing the timeing. The same exact attack can have 1-3 variations in speed which is awful. So git good is not the only answer this time u need to git lucky as well.
Truly is the illusion of variety. The illusion of choice. The illusion of free will.
In some ways, that is the ultimate lie.
I just beat the halfway boss and so far I’ve honestly loved the game. I do agree with most of the points you made though. The only one I disagree with is the parrying one because personally I haven’t had any problems with the timing and getting parries on bosses once I spend a few times fighting them. But the way you explained the scaling makes so much more sense to me because my A scaling motility +6 wrench hits the same as my +2 scythe with b scaling motivity and technique at 25 mot 6 tech so yeah I thought that seemed off
I agree with the parry critique. It's really inconsistent.
Damn that scaling thing is insane. I hate being forced to play a certain way. I like and respect sekiro but that was my problem with that game too
There are so many people saying get gud and it’s like if SOOO many people are saying this there must be some inconsistencies cause otherwise why would we play a souls like. I’m a god with parrying. I only parry if it’s a mechanic and have terrible gear and that’s how I play. The parrying in this game feels bad and makes me not like parrying but I have to cause fury.
I hated the parrying in this game. And the boss design?? FUCK them. I love Souls games for the fair challenge, if I get my ass handed to me, it's my fault. But in this game? Not necessarily the case. You have to worry about stamina and durability while the boss? Can zip and dash all around the arena and SPAM heavy attack after heavy attack without having to worry about stamina. This is the ONLY souls game that made me wanna put a hole through my TV.
I agree bro. It’s kinda stupid. In other souls games you learn and study the movesets but it just doesn’t feel like that in these games. I keep trying to find what part of the game I’m actually enjoying. I like the atmosphere and story but goddamn the level design and boss design is pretty bad.
Thanks a lot, very good video!
I also feel that the enemies' moves depend on the button you push in an unfair manner - forcing you to use the parrying strategy as you mention.
The point about scaling is crazy. I really appreciate how you actually tested it. I was also frustrated how every small mob still takes three hits to die no matter how much you upgrade the weapon. Clearly, I'll never farm Ergo again in this game. That is just very bad game design.
About parrying: Honestly, I don't have the impression that there is lag. I think there are two different aspects which, together, just make it too difficult: (1) The almost superhuman parry window of 8/60 frames (Sekiro has 12/60 frames) and (2) the very abrupt, unnatural moves of the enemies, the combination of big delay and extreme speed.
This guy doesn't know what is talking about the parry is consistent he just didn't get used to it and he say it was random and if the boss scales why you didn't demonstrate and more there is people that finish the game without parrying so there are many ways to beat the game.This guy is just frustrated and he is just crying for not being good.
@crismota4389 that's a hilarious cope you got going there 😂
Nice to hear your voice, you are my inspiration to start a game channel its hard but what you did make me keep going
That stat allocation
Different weapons have different parry windows depending on the animation.
I agree with you on points in this video - but I absolutely do NOT agree that this game is more parry heavy than Sekiro. If you relied on cutting down all boss' health in sekiro rather than poise, I am astounded. they made that quite awful to do. I am almost finished with this game, I upgraded my dodge and I haven't parried at all. there are some enemies where this obviously isn't the best way to progress, but I still got through it. I know your pain, I suck at parries. Also I don't know what games you're playing that let you respec before around the half-way mark.
Finally got around to watching the full cutscene movie and, after hearing the clear frustration in your voice, I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into these games. As I have gotten older and had big life events occurring (I’m 41), I don’t have the time or funds to game like I used to when I was younger. The only way I can really keep up with the properties I care about is through watching videos like yours.
The same delay exists for souls and the different types of shields have different delay frames. Personally I think you're somewhat right , even after trying to perfect parry constantly throughout the game I couldn't master it. Though the mechanic with health regain after just block is very good. You can also upgrade the amount of health regain through the P organ. It kinda felt fair after I aimed for this instead. And lets be honest dude who treats souls likes as an actual RPG. To a newcomer this frustration is warranted but by now people know once you stick decide the playstyle and stick to it to survive, jack of all and master of none is for sure going to lead to frustration in any souls game.
I swear. How anyone can play "souls" games is beyond me. Why would ANY sane person want to play a game intentionally making it non fun to play?
Delays on shileds. Wierd parry timing. Or maybe I just suck. Cause I have seen folk absolutely dominate those games. This is just proof how people can turn ANY mundane activity into a toil. Then brag how they have conquered said activity.
This is different from actual physical activities, mind you. Where we all have to function under the same rules of gravity or conduct established for whichever activity engaged.
Nah. With "souls" like video games. I swear some of these functions are not only scripted. But you feel sometimes like you a slave to the AI, its precise mastering of its domain and the number of hours you have to throw in to enjoy something that was suppose to be VERY recreational.
Rant short. Society is a sucker for punishment. People seem to be begging to be told how to enjoy doing things. No freedom of choice. Especially with an escapist medijm such as video games.
@StrigidaeStrigiformes-sv6mj It's called learning to overcome challenges. How is it hard for you to figure out that people enjoy pushing themselves and accomplishing goals? And there is a lot of freedom in the builds you can make with your character. Sounds more like your just lazy lol
@@elephantsarecool7 Me. A Fitter & Turner, Boilermaker, Millright working as a Boiler Operator with 8 years experience. Worked in the Banking, Admin Office and Finance industry for 5 years. Works out 4 times a week. Am lazy. For calling out society's obsession with mundane thralldom. Yeah. Sure. Gsmes are meant to be fun. Not THAT challenging. I leave challenges to actual life. Which is why I have so many trades under my belt. And even more work experience. Go outside and touch some grass friend.
@@StrigidaeStrigiformes-sv6mj Not sure wtf any of that has to do with the playing video games, which is what we were talking about and what the "lazy" comment refers to. But whatever dude lol
@@elephantsarecool7 You called me lazy. Not lazy at video games. Lazy. Pointed out how people like to push through adversity, possibly to counter my notion that people are fine with being given Sisyphean tasks. I pointed out how my life is a testament to how I do not mind challenges. Just a point to any challenge. Like how I have achieved alot to foster my goals in life. Now you are doing a whole goal post redesignation reposte. I can see you are not keen to engage in a dialogue. But rather to possibly make yourself look in a better light than I. In that sense. Well done? How smart you must be.
Very entertaining, I think you hit on a lot of good points, the review was tough to follow, wish you would have broken it into catagories, maybe everything you liked, then everything you didn't like/ though could have been improved on, but this is still a good presentation, looking forward to more of these!
He didn't though, he made things up! There is NO SCALING in this game. Dude's just salty or something lol
@@elephantsarecool7 not sure what your're referring to when you say, he didnt though, he made things up. or maybe thats referring to scaling but i think this is a good review plus im not sure what you're saying he's salty about.
@@emouzi4 I'm only guessing he's salty because he kept getting his butt kicked in a Soulslike, either that or desperate for views. The game has a lot of customization options and scaling doesn't exist in the game. He is literally making up problems for the game that don't exist! Making up stuff, good or bad, is the worst thing for a "review" to do. Good reviews aren't "tough to follow" either, like your OC mentions this review is
@@elephantsarecool7no there is scaling
Great review man, it's clean and to the point. And your rant at the end was funny, but was helpful to know the flaws of the game.
The parry window is too small and the reward isnt there there is no clash
The bosses do not get scaled it's just your imagination. Also in the first half of the game you don't need respec that much since most of the weapons deal similar damage when you're low level and you can always use the cranks to change how a weapon scales so that it becomes more useful for your specific stats and in NG+ where stats matter more you are given the access to respec from the start... I personally changed my weapon every 1-2 areas when I found a new one and never had to respec since the damage output stayed pretty much balanced only the movesets changed...When you say that the game forces you to play a certain way that simply isn't true it just requires more precise inputs and strategy when to engage and disengage. If you wanted to get in a couple of hits and get out you usually have to find when the enemy starts doing a long string of attacks through which you can dodge away or run. While this will prolong your battles and is not encouraged by the many different tools the game provides it is a viable strategy(excluding Laxasia and Rabbit Brotherhood there you can't really disengage, and the nameless puppet in the end can be quite hard to run away if you try to do so in the middle of an attack instead of dodging/parrying). While parrying in this game happens much more quickly than in Dark Souls and Sekiro it does not mean it's instant. You also have less parry frames so in order to master it you have to be patient and precise which clearly you were not since you thought that it was random...
When I played the demo, I was getting some of what youre talking about. I really don't like delays between me pressing the button and the character actually doing it which happens a lot. In no way is this an RPG but even the demo pushes the player to fight in a very specific way. The obvious critique of any review against this game is that it's a souls-like but that shouldn't excuse poor or changeless (from previous titles not necessarily from one studio or another) gameplay. I am very glad I did not waste money on buying this but I will check out the story. Any place I can hear you talk about games more?
nah this guy just bad lol and he dont know how to parry properly
@@thatperson613 I wasn't talking about him.
@@thatperson613There's input delay kid.
I've seen this far too much where fanboys or drones will try to cover a genuine problem by saying it's apart of the game "git gud".
---watch this video "Elden ring input delay versus dark souls 3"
Any delay is artificial difficulty garbage....I don't think sekiro has this....but NIOH Games definitely dont have this garbage as well.
Which ironically me playing Nioh & then going to fromsoft games made me easily see this garbage delay which was present in even bloodborne.
@@spiritualsoul2711 dont care kid ur bad git gud
@@thatperson613Lying won't make your little wood bigger. It's just a game kid. Not real life.
I thought this game was gonna scratch the itch, but it mostly did not. I didn't find the combat very satisfying, the movesets are lame as hell. I mean, they really tried to give you the Miyazaki vibes and whatnot, but it just doesn't do it for me. Maybe do it like Nioh next time... actually be your own thing, not Pinocchio/Miyazaki clone BS. Gotta give it to them, the story and artistic design was solid.
Beautiful game and great original spin on a classic story but the game plan is not balanced or very fun to get through.
Honestly, this reviews hits some good points, but as a whole, I feel it comes from a place of PERSONAL frustration rather than an honest review. Let me explain:
1) Your points about this being an RPG are...Irrelevant? I followed this game prior to it's release, we knew GOING IN what to expect from the character aspects and storytelling. To say that the game forces you down a path doesn't seem right to me, considered that we knew this going into it. To use your own point - In the same way we KNEW going into Sekiro that it would be a parry focused game, we knew going into LOP that it would be a block / parry game.
2) Block / parry timing - I don't see this. Now, I'm playing on PC, so there's an argument to be made that the console and PC builds are different in their performance ( I cannot test this, so I'd love to hear from someone who can ), and at least for me, the parrying system isn't that inconsistent. It took some practice, but the perfect guards are easy enough to get consistently once you've grasped timing for boss attacks. Not trying to be "that guy" but this entire point does feel like it boils down to - "I didn't want to learn how to perfect guard, so game bad."
3) The game's focus on parry gameplay - Yes. It is focused on this, and we all knew this going into the game that it was heavily inspired by Bloodborne's parry system to a stronger degree. So to a degree, you're correct - The game DOES force you to learn how to perfect guard consistently, especially with bosses like Laxasia. However, I don't see this as a problem? As I said before, we knew going into this game that it would focus on the parrying mechanics and not be a soul-style "roll to avoid damage" type game.
4) Boss design - I don't fully understand this point, as I didn't feel the same myself. I'd love if someone could clarify this for me, so I can better understand what's trying to be put across.
So as a closing point - This is mostly my own opinion of course, so I'd love to hear some debate about what I've said here. I feel this game wont be for everyone due to it's more forced style of gameplay, so I'd love to know if that aspect is really what's driving folk away from it.
Overall, a good review that does play on some good talking points, even if I find myself disagreeing. But, that's the beauty of discourse after all. Looking forward to hearing some people's points!
Don't take this review seriously, he makes up all sorts of crap. The enemies don't scale up and there is actually a lot of customization. If he played the game at all, he barely got anywhere in it, and then proceeds to make stuff up or complain about things that are in every Souls game so he shouldn't even be playing, much less reviewing this game. Is it perfect, no. Is it an amazing game that far from disappoints, absolutely!
@@elephantsarecool7 I disagree. Some of his points (lack of customisation and so weird things with scaling) do seem to be decent points, even if I myself disagree with the customisation being a bad thing (in the same way you can't customise any named character in most games). The scaling I have yet to truly test. Base enemies do not scale, I can confirm that from my own tests of different level characters in different areas. As for bosses? I don't know. Some bosses do feel like they scale, but then again, whenever you level things like Motivity you also increase damage resistance. So the only way for me to test this would be to NG+ my way to Manus, then reset my character to fight at level 1. (Which I am in the process of doing so that I can update this comment in the future.)
Personally attacking him and saying he's making stuff up is...Not what I'm trying to do here, so please let's keep this discussion civil. As that is what I intend.
@@Aromantic_Knightno i agree with him civil or not the fact is his video shows he didnot play the game at all and most if not all his points are just pity whining and i am not gonna pretend otherwise
@@ViNncentSmith I understand that. But, In his defence - He has clearly beaten the game at least once, as he references things that are late-game, as well as showing footage from those areas. To say he “hasn’t played it” is unfounded.
Other than that, fair enough. I completely understand.
Sounds like your butthurt that he didn't like the game
After completing bloodborne elden ring and sekiro and then when playing this game the movement feels so bad and slow it feels like the characters weighs a thousand pounds every time i doge i still get hit the movement don't feel good at all so i had to drop this game i didn't like it at all
The combat design is really bad due to the character movement which reacts very slowly to button presses.
In most soulslike games, if you dodge an attack, it won't hit you. But in this one, even in the demo, the parade master boss still hits you even if you dodge.
I am on the fence in lies of p. If I see a repack, I'll definitely try it but I don't know if I'm gonna buy the game or not
Scaling is something certain games are bad at. It seems lies of p is the same. Good thing to know. I've had a crapton of experience playing games that has bad scaling. Got tired of playing them quickly. Maybe if someone cares enough for this game, they might mod scaling in this game better or remove it entirely.
Cool upload man, interesting opinion. I personally loved it. I didnt actually focus too too much on parrying. I mixed it up a lot. Blocks, attacks, dodges, some parries and thowables etc. I do think needing to charge a heavy to stagger is a bit unfair for the super heavey weapon users though. Very hard to get off that charged attack in time but to be fair you can spec into extending it. There are lots of options for different builds. The scaling stuff I had no idea though!
But for those who prefer speed and fast low weight weapons it's against us. Can't block the power bosses and can't break weapons. It's not balanced properly
@@mstirlz Yeah I have since beat the game almost 3 times and I tried a super heavy build and it actually does very well. The charge is tough to get off but shot puts solve that issue and the heavy charge when you do get it off does massive damage and huge stagger damage. Heavy weapons are fine I think. Never knew about shot puts. Gonna try a super fast technique build next. So far all mine have been motivity based.
i like the review vid! do more of these :)
They need to fix the parry
Not everything should be parried you know? There are block and dodge too...
They really don't, just time it correctly, yeah it has a delay but it's just practicing
@@lyzhongo5766if theres delay why bother playing
I don’t think I’ve ever seen you do a review before, it’s refreshing 😊. Love you mate.🎉
Wow, it must be REALLY bad if you have to give it this title, and actually talk about it.
didn't expect this, reviews have been well, no?
Yeah they've been good. There's lots to like about it, as Mystery highlights in the beginning of the review, but rants (lol) at the end about his the stuff he strongly dislikes.
@@glp yeah watching him rant now lol hopefully it clicks for me, haven't started it up yet
I thought that lying or dying was corny too.
@@mikeeclipse seems like his issue was more with parrying than that aspect
@@mikeeclipse also i think it can be interesting mechanic making u want to maybe replay and see what results lying vs telling the truth bring if implemented well
This review just sounds really salty man. It’s just not your cup of tea and that’s ok. It’s a good game from a developer who made their first game in the genre. They will get even better on the next one. I loved the game. I’ve beaten it 4 times.
9:08 Was the reason I stopped playing. The enemy heavily reads your control input. The mini bosses are insane especially those bladed giant machines in the Museum area. Its like 10 of them
are there spoilers in this viedo?
super jank combat and clunky movement, dodge sucks, very limited weapon variety, the setting is not for me at all, robotic enemies are super boring to me actually just bots, no character creator, completely linear level design... yeah 100% everything I expect from a souls-like is missing or just jank. Playing the demo, seeing the praise the game got is still baffling to me.
Cutscenes movie when?
Seems dude can't finish the game
I like the combat. But I hate the level design. It’s super linear and so many places are blocked with boxes. And I hate that something is within arms reach but the invisible walls keep you from it.
Im nearly at the end and for most bosses i just buy throwables and cheese the bosses
This is actually more effective than level up the character.
Bruh didn’t the game just come out? It ain’t been 24hrs
Lies of p is the best example of how a game developer doesn't understand what made soulsborne games so good
They do all this to cut corners to save money and time instead of building good core gameplay. This game had potential glad i didnt pay nothing for it. Dev took easy way instead doing gameplay great f this pos 3/10 here and new game prices up but less we get in polished games.
Love the work you do and as much as I love Lies of P, it’s refreshing to hear a negative review.
2:08 Even if you lie to her, you'll still find out the truth later. Wrong take here
I loved the story, combat, general idea of the game. But man am i glad to say it’s finally OVER. Playing this game was a chore and the most ANNOYING souls like i’ve ever laid my hands on. I broke the disc after finishing just so i never have to touch this trash again.
lol this is comedy
I'm living your pain right now. Stats have no benefit. Trying to perfect guard every other second or 20 strike boss "basic attacks" followed by 3 red body attacks in a row leaves no time for my attacks or throwables, or moving out of range. Don't forget bosses spin like a record so u cannot escape their 3 simultaneous attacks. All later bosses have 2 separate arms and a tongue, tail, stomach, head, horn or other 3rd attack that roll nonstop along with red body rush, jump, push, grab, throw etc. And this is constant. Don't even talk about a mandatory 2nd full health bar on the last 7-8 bosses. All of them. It's not a twist when every single boss after the 3rd one does the same thing. This is a Rng slot machine instead of a strategy or git gud game. I waited a week to save 10$ but I still feel robbed for $64.00. Thank u for ur true video.
"P"? That one famous P? Piscine Molitor Patel?
Got up to Nameless puppet and just went for the bad ending because screw that. I hate pretty much 50% of the bosses in the game and lesser enemies do as much damage as minibosses 😂 10/10 story, graphics,Enemy design. 5/10 gameplay will never play again.
Yes how they managed to make worse bosses than Elden ring is beyond me not once did I have “fun” maybe king of puppets but all the other fights were nothing compared to that guy idk what people smoke nowadays to think this is a masterpiece
Good design, terrible balance.
Disagreed the game is fair and you could kill bosses easily if you want with the spectre and throwables and if you don't want to just play the game normally
With spectet you cannot lose basically.
*Immaculate design, god awful horrendous TRASH balance.
@@Frenziedflub Balance of what?
Why can't the game get good, the bosses make me fall asleep for the most part, yet the mobs are bs especially the long staff enemies (ik u can roll into them to stun) nothing feels actually right especially after the nerfs its just artificial now
This review is completely spot on. I agree there IS A delay in the block and delay & dodging too. Nice to see someone agree on this. I knew the scalling was F'ed but I didn't know the bosses scaled with you. I couldn't give it 1 star since the gameplay and Bosses what makes a souls-like a soul-like but when you fail on that well it's got no leg to stand on, yes the art/story etc is amazing but it's core is rotten well it is what it is. Well at least it's on GamePass. The devs said they are looking at it.
PS don't like the morons skill shame anyone there are alot and most of them have their heads up their elitest ass.
Great comments and shocking that these points are not being discussed more openly. Whoever was in charge of gameplay and combat should be fired. I suspect the reason this game is so overrated is reviewers are afraid of being shamed by the annoying try-hards in the community.
The autistic git gud sweaties are the worst
I played and thought.......I wanna play Bloodborne this sucks
I pretty much agree with everything you said. It’s a good game but this game just further reinforces what I’ve always said about “soulslike” games not made by FromSoft. They just seem to distill the genre down to: make it hard for hards sake. “Yep we made it hard guys. We did it” All the while forgetting the nuance that FromSoft have mastered: hard but fair and most importantly……fun. Fun difficulty is what all these 3rd party soulslikes fumble and get wrong.
The bosses are all the same in this game. Just spammy, spazzy, multi-hit combo damage sponges. I never felt like I got better. Just lucky. The stages have way too many “black knight” enemies and basic, fundamental, movement, combat, and health “perks” are locked behind a skill tree with a hard to acquire resource to do so. I’m quite literally at the point of , if it ain’t a FromSoft soulslike, I’m gonna pass and wait for their next game. And I was looking forward to Lords of the Fallen but I’m sure that’ll be another soulslike that just doesn’t “get it”
The only criticism I can agree with is the parry window being ridiculously small. Otherwise every other point made was pretty terrible
So the scaling point was bs?
@@GolfGuy32No its not bs. I think this guy is right about it all. I couldn't put my finger on what was off about this game til I saw this video.
after 41 hours level 87 i just did the swamp monster and it was nothing but frustration from the beginning ! the learning curve is to high for a beginner ,bosses have endles stamina ! camera with boss fight have shit camera cant see the swings etc ,platforming in this game sucks ass ! game does not feel rewarding ,i gave up on perry at boss 3 does not work for me
Great real and truthful review 👍🏿
That's why i barley like newer games every now and then
I thought lies of p was a game I was gunna enjoy. I heard its boss design was equal to lords of the fallen.and those bosses are GODLIKE. The first main lords of the fallen boss is my favorite boss of all time. Hands down.
I count the scrapped boss in lies of p as the first one cause it’s actually sick as but the parryings just terrible. You can’t EVEN toggle sprint whitch sucks. The rolling is pathetic and poor Pinocchio couldn’t even run away from a jellybean if he tried! The walk back to bosses boring and suuuuuucks! And if you want to level up you have to teleport to hub like why!!! Also it’s too dark I can’t see anything, not like there much to see other than same old repetitive buildings, at least the dead bodies everywhere are cool and shows what happened during the puppets fury, great visual storytelling! But I like I 1st tried the scrapped nutcracker cracker with a summon no damage and was like you do want this game to be hard or easy, I was supposed to learn how to beat that nutcracker so I could get gud but the summon made is trivial and I can never get that skill back. The next boss I fight if I don’t have a summon I’m gunna be so far behind in skill and I’m just gunna quit it holds your hand but also squeezes it as hard as possible it’s so stipid
The nutcracker for me was a maaaasive skill issue and soooo cool but it could only be good if the character felt fast could roll fast if summons weren’t OP, parrying was wasn’t scuffed, the boss had something to pazzas it up, something really cool, not just faster attack and electric, no way this game is THAt good. It’s definitely really appeals to a small amount of people and that’s sick! But that amount of people could be more cause this game has so much potential and I live that, but I couldn’t
I just played all souls games from november until april this year. Bloodborne is best, then all Dark Souls games + DLCs, Elden Ring 100+ hrs. I tried this for few hours and it is just boring. Gameplay feels cheap, combat is dull. I dont want to not like this game after seing all the praises, but I am just not having fun. It is like Dark Souls tutorial level with one of the most unsatisfying combat I had my hands on for years. It has nice athmosphere, but everything else is like cheap copy of DS games
I never comment this is 100 percent correct review
I'm sad that other companies don't completely get soulslikes, you're not a good souls just by being hard
The game has issues absolutely, but also your video which is full of misinformation like the lie about scaling.
9:58 you're dying in 2-3 hits because you avoided leveling capacity, capacity not only increases max weight but gives you the highest amount of passive physical defense increases out of all the stats with no softcap. Your character is 36% phys reduction, I was like 55% by the same point in the game. Your health is really low, 24 points into it and 550 total health and not even the health amulet. You should have atleast 700 health by the same point in the game, around 30ish vitality. Your equip load is too low and the gear you're wearing too heavy, your character is "slightly heavy" which reduces your stamina recover by what feels like half. You had a bad time because of those factors, based on your gameplay it seems you also avoided the parry the whole time which is another reason.
Tldr Skill issue
Sounds like the main issues you have is that this game isn't the games you wanted it to be. It is a bit silly to be so hung up on it being a specific thing that you won't see that them standing on their own, while being a soulslike is exactly what we need more since most soulslikes are just a copy paste but worse. The parry window is not random. You don't feel like you're learning because you aren't. If you say parry is random then you haven't learned to parry. I feel like you might be a summon/magic souls player and if that's the case, which is fine, then it makes sense you don't like this game honestly. In your gameplay it def looks like you can't parry. I'm not a git gut kinda person but if you want to play a game where you have to git gut, i don't understand why you complain about having to git gut.I've heard if you use the spectre and throwables it becomes pretty fucking easy so maybe you should have just done that instead.
awful game... 10 hours and I can't find a weapon I like. Human enemies move and attack way to fast so you gotta be perfect with dodge / parry or eat damage. I know there is a block mechanic but the moment you try to recover chip damage you get punished because you can't cancel the attack
Sounds like a skill issue
git gud ig
Play separate ways please
Just to let you know I got your 40 hour boulders gate three video to work I had to download it since I have RUclips premium.
In nearly all your footage you are using a slash weapon on a stab handle. This lowers your damage and could have contributed to your frustration.
Game sucks due to the absolute tedium it puts you through. So much potential but the animations suck, the lack of attack canceling makes combat clunky, the dodge sucks until you upgrade, the run back for bosses is inexcusable considering what Elden ring did. It’s just not worth the headache for ppl with limited time on their hands.
If a game plays like a chore, it’s not worth your time imo and playing this feels just plain infuriating
Thats the reason why i kicked the playing games and watch letsplays.
No bad experience and the most important things, you can watch in 1,5 speed plus skip annoying parts by pressing right.
Full game movies can be better but there is also risk to miss some happening.
Skipping the random fights in ff13 made the game very enjoyable instead of mobbing.
Generally, there is less and less great games through the years.
And the best part is when devs blame buyers for crappy sales by telling crap like piracy while every friend i knew had the really good games in original on the shelf.
Quality sells, crap dont.
And the ignorance of the dev bosses (gollums) is just hillarious.
Thx for the vid, somebody needed to comment the obvious.
Or people perhaps like games "how fast can you break your smartphone by tapping on same spot"?
Just get good and stop complaining the parry is consistent, the boss scaling is your imagination, the game is fair you are just not good at it but you should admit it and not blame the game
This is the most honest review I’ve seen about this game