That is a possibility, and once we hear what the remedy will be, we’ll have a better understanding if it was bad engineering, or bad manufacturing. Thanks for the feedback
Hard to say what the actual numbers are. The recalls for the Tundra's are specifically the turbo non--hybrid variants. However, if you look at some videos here on youtube, and some in-depth analysis of the situation, it appears Toyota messed up what is called a "bridge bearing". There are other names for it, but it's a design that is supposed to be a "stronger" newer design for the bearing structure. And logically it looks like a good idea on the surface of it, but in practice there seems to be issues with the design. The same design in featured in a Lexus GX, hence the fact they've had problems as well. And in videos online, evidence shows motors with these bearings failing in both the Tundra and the GX -- and this is first hand knowledge of people who have seen the damage in both models at a Toyota repair shop. And this is why a lot of people don't trust Toyota's explaination of what's going on. It seems to be a serious engineering issue, that can destroy the engine's short block at any mileage. So my 2 cents, I think this issue is not going away until Toyota redesigns these engines and does a refresh or entirely new generation of trucks. Toyota is just like other companies out there, they make mistakes. But this mistake may last longer than the usual couple of years, that customers are used to seeing in the past. I encourage people concerned about this issue to watch this video here: ruclips.net/video/1XdaccfMxn4/видео.html , this person is very well repected in the Toyota community.
You make a lot of sense sir, calmly and logically explaining the situation. You’re right about the over dramatic “clickbait” going around. My 22 Tundra has 47,000 miles and drives like a dream.. love it
No matter what the root cause is, I’m disappointed in Toyotas decline. I have a 23 Tundra. My retirement treat to myself. My family over the years has bought a dozen or more Toyotas. My trust and confidence in Toyota is gone. In addition to this recall Japans transport ministry raided the head quarters of Toyota Tuesday as a scandal over claims of manipulated safety data. Their response to all of this (for me) will decide if I leave the brand and never come back after being a loyal customer for 40 years.
Don’t loose faith just yet, I’ve been a toyota tech for 25 years, they always step up and take care of problems that no other manufacturer does. All other manufacturers have engine problems that they don’t recall and take care of their customers.
@@jameshasenjaeger5181 just bought a 2024 Tundra TRD off road SR5 6 weeks ago. My understanding was the 22/23's were problematic and Toyota had sorted out the issue for the 24's. Now i'm hearing thats not the case and the 24's are having issues. Now i feel im driving a ticking time bomb , the dealership and manufacturer fucked me and my resale value is already destroyed. Any data on the percentage of engines on these twins that are failing ?
@@LightWorkRev2-9 it’s not as big as it feels when you see all these videos about it. I’ve seen so many times like this that get people panicked and worried, bottom line is this will all pass, it’s very rare that you’ll have this problem, especially if it hasn’t happened yet, and toyota is talking care of the problem, way better than any other manufacturer would in this situation.
@@jameshasenjaeger5181 250,000 trucks sold and 1000 angry customers could make it seem like most of them are fucked, still disconcerting having just dropped $75 stacks on a brand new 2024 , ive only got 1700miles , fingers crossed , just sucks to have it in the back of my mind every road trip going forward and that i switched to this brand after getting fucked by Ford.
Thanks for sharing your feedback. As a 2022 Toyota owner myself, here is my point of view. 1. The typical customer isn’t going to care or show any mercy on Toyota for parts outsourced. If they bought a Toyota they expect the parts to already have been through QA. 2. For vehicles involved in this particular recall, it should be up to Toyota to provide an extended warranty free of charge without the customer having to dig even farther in their pockets after already losing trust in their vehicle and honestly the brand. Just how I am currently feeling as I have spent a lot of time going back and forth to the dealership already getting recall work performed and am now dealing with this from a brand known for reliability and a truck that costs 60,000 plus. Thanks again, I enjoy your videos.
So it's debris in the motor? Motors from 2 different plants have the same debris left in the motor? That's nearly impossible. There have been a few hybrids and also some 24's starting to fail with the same issue. Only a matter of time before they are included.
@@ilocanodetoy2225 Also the weird aluminum cradle/main bearing cap design. Differential expansion or a flaw in the way it's cast and machined. There are many potential causes, but the "debris from manufacturing" narrative is BS if you ask me.
You're correct from what I've read and seen. Certainly if the process is exactly the same at the two plants that produce the motors then it's plausible that debris could be in motors from both plants. But, there's information out there that says hybrids are included plus some '24 models. You 'd think no '24s would have this problem if the process was corrected. Another video suggests that it's really a bad main bearing design and that the machining debris is a ruse to divert attention from the real cause. There's still more to be learned about this whole big problem.
I was worried about the debris, so I had the dealership do my first oil change at 900 miles on my 24. The service managers weren't even aware of the 22-23 recall.
@@OldmanSnake i need data , just bought a 2024 Tundra TRD off road SR5 6 weeks ago. My understanding was the 22/23's were problematic and Toyota had sorted out the issue for the 24's. Now i'm hearing thats not the case and the 24's are having issues. Now i feel im driving a ticking time bomb , the dealership and manufacturer fucked me and my resale value will be destroyed. Any data on the percentage of engines on these twins that are failing ?
Thank you Rodney. I’m driving a late 2022 (October) with 98,000 miles. It is a hybrid so I’m not too worried but I am keeping it close watch on what’s going on. As a sidenote, I do change my oil every 5000 miles and I do not drive this truck hard.
Hi Rodney. Thanks for this. There is alot of uncertainty around this issue and folks want answers. I've read that this issue may be deeper than metal filing debris and that if this was the case, these bearing failures would be more random than they are (i.e., not just affecting the main bearing). Folks are speculating that this is a design issue with the block and that as designed, it lacks the structural integrity to handle normal operating conditions of a turbo V6, putting stress on this bearing. I don't know, I'm not an engineer. I know that you are being as forthcoming as you can about it and I appreciate it but I just wish that Toyota would be forthcoming about it. If the "fix" is a short block replacement (presumably with the same block) what good will it do? If the block is indeed compromised, shouldn't they be offing crate engine replacements? This whole thing is sad because I've relied on Toyotas for 30 years. I hope they do the right thing.
I agree that it could be more than what Toyota is letting on. I think Toyota will have to thoroughly inspect many of engines torn down before they will really know what the issue is. I’ll pass information along as it’s released. Thanks for the comment.
I had my oil changed on my 2024 at 1200 miles at non-toyota facility. They said the oil looked normal for that break-in period. and showed me a sample. Thanks Rodney for being level headed! The Toyota-hating porn can give people disproportionate anxiety.
@@chuckg6039 maybe. But I could see others saying, “well the lab results looked good, but sending it into space might make it look different, just sayin.”
There only have been 824 engines that went under warranty work since 2022. 295,000+ trucks sold since 2022. Do the math. Its highly unlikely that 99.7% of people will have an issue.
And who wants to be somewhere with their family on board to find out if theres is the one. Maybe its a lonely road at minus 30. No thanks. I have no faith in tundra at this point
restoring shattered faith in both the tacoma and tundra may be possible by toyota giving a 100k powertrain warranty. put your warranty where your mouth is, or let these insanely overpriced trucks rot on the lot.
Toyota has more information on the NHTSA site. Tim from Pickup Truck Talk channel made a video earlier today and he read it there. You should read why the hybrids weren’t involved in the recall. It doesn’t mean the engine won’t have problems. I recommend doing oil analysis to find out for yourself if there’s bearing material in the oil.
The debris getting into the bearings is what’s causing the bearings to fail in the first place. If they were able to find shavings from the bearings, the engine would already be shot by that point.
I noticed that the short block part numbers appear to be different between hybrid and non-hybrid. Also elude to the fact that the oil pressures are different. Can you confirm that the hybrid short block is a different part number?
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder frame or the new non resin coated metallic bearings themselves. My theory is that the differential expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Solution: maybe go back to resin coating on main bearings? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate? I think this recall will grow. The recall is an effort to prevent rhese vehicle from losing tremendous resale value once warranty period expires and to address NHTSA concerns Thoughts?
I have a 2023 that is on the recall list. I've done all the normal maintenance and change the oil every 5k miles. So far, it runs without issues. I expect that I will wait until the remedy is announced and see what that means for me. If I'm not satisfied with the remedy I will trade this vehicle after the remedy has been completed, likely at a loss, before the 60 month/60k miles powertrain warranty expires. I hope it doesn't come to that, but if it does I would be very disappointed.
I have an early 2023 ( build date 01-2023). I’m not going to be satisfied with a short block that is put together on the dealers workbench! I think we deserve a brand new complete motor. If that doesn’t happen I’ll be getting rid of this truck and going back to my previous model, a hd2500, best vehicle I ever iwned
The hybrid isnt recalled yet because the hybrid can propel the vehicle off the road of the engine fails. The hybeid ICE is made on the exact assembly line as the other engines. I woulebt touch a hybrid either. Some hybrids have failed. I would bet Toyota will eventually recall the hybrids too.
Toyota hybrid technology is the most battle tested and proven. If anything goes, it would be the batteries but they tend to degrade slowly and not just crap out suddenly
Tundras 2022 to 2024 are not certified by Toyota anymore because of this recall. Why my dealer-certified tundras for sale? What should I do with my 2023 certified Tundra that have
I think you might of misunderstood what I was saying. It won’t take your certification away from your 2023 Tundra. If a Toyota dealership takes in a 2022-2023 Tundra, and it is affected by the recall, it will prevent them from certifying it.A recall doesn’t take away the certification of any vehicles that were purchased prior to the recall.
@@donays8241 they can’t certify if it comes in to the dealers inventory while there is an open recall. It doesn’t take away anyone’s certification that they have on a vehicle they’ve already purchased, prior to the recall. When Toyota comes out with a remedy, they will repair your Tundra, and you’ll still have a certified truck until you sell it, trade it in, or the time or mileage expires that was laid out for you at the time of purchase.
I imagine it will be a short block, turbos, heads etc that they will have to replace. Someone said around 3b in costs though I think it will be much lower due to labor rates they have to pay vs what we pay and their costs for parts vs ours.
exact same boat.. just bought a 2024 Tundra TRD off road SR5 6 weeks ago. brand new. My understanding was the 22/23's were problematic and Toyota had sorted out the issue for the 24's. Now i'm hearing thats not the case and the 24's are having issues. Now i feel im driving a ticking time bomb , the dealership and manufacturer fucked me and my resale value will be destroyed. Any data on the percentage of engines on these twins that are failing ?
@@Hellokaz 1% have this issue on the 24's according to this (so far that number will raise in the next 2-3 years ) ruclips.net/video/Ia3tMg7nkN8/видео.html
At this time the Hybrid models haven’t been included. Some people seem to think that they are going to be included. We don’t know enough about the issue yet. If it does become affected by the recall, it would be repaired free of charge. With all the specials going on with the 2024 models, have you looked at the new ones?
Doesn't it stand to reason that Toyota never knew about this defect until reports of engines failing came in, therefore wouldn't 2024 models also have issues? Why just a recall on 22 and 23's?
It is a possibility, but the only way we’ll know is if they make the repair, and then the same issue happens over again. It’s too early to know at this point. Right now the only Toyota has said is that it’s debris left over from manufacturing.
How does it not effect the hybrids. Same block = same problem. I heard it's not a safety issue on hybrids, but the problem is still happening to hybrids. The recall is a safety recall.
@@treborheminway3814 in the beginning they didn’t explain why the hybrid wasn’t being recalled. The reason was that should the engine fail while driving, the electric motor would still allow the vehicle to move off the road. It’s very likely that the hybrid models will be included in the recall at some point.
@@Rodneysnwridesandreviews yes, it's only for safety that they are required to recall them. I think the lack of a plan has hurt them more than a bad one at this point. Haha.
The real issue is not a debris problem it is low quality bearings installed with a low flow oil design around the bearings, with the engine so small with additional turbo the engine is getting too much stress and the bearings are the one that do all the heavy load so there that is the real problems. If you already have Tundra don’t accelerate quick, don’t do heavy load and change your oil every 2500 miles.
Debris in the engine block. That’s why those main bearings are toast. Some engines fail with 100 miles on them, some fail with 5,000 miles. Yes, “only” 1% have failed so far. Some haven’t failed yet. But with debris in the engine block rest assured these engines will fail at some point. This is unreal how Toyota allowed this to happen. Debris in the block, there is no fix for that. I would accept nothing but a new engine. Otherwise I’d sell it. Chances are Toyota will try to flush the engines, do an oil change and call them okay.
Not sure where you got a 1% rate. In the 2 year timeframe toyota sold a total of around 200k tundras and the new recall is for 100k of them, that's close to 50%
In 2022 Toyota sold 94k Tundra’s. The current recall shows Tundras built from Nov of 2021 thru Feb of 2023. That very well could be expanded, but at that time, there wasn’t the 200k sold as you mentioned.
Rodney, the reason the hybrid version wasn't recalled is because this is a "safety" recall. Toyota says that if the hybrid version of the engine fails, the electric motor can power the truck until it's safe to pull over, so there is no safety issue in their mind and thus no recall. They're recalling the non-hybrid version of the engine because the truck loses power while potentially moving at fast highway speeds, creating a safety hazard. Toyota also decided to exclude 2024 Tundra's despite the fact that there have been plenty of 2024 Tundra owners that have reported the exact same bearing failure. This recall is a joke.
Yes I read about the Hybrid models, and their reasoning for not including them in the recall. There’s a lot of things that just adding up. First it was debris left in the motors, then it was bearing having different torque settings, or pressure I think they said, and then it was only trucks built in a specific time period. As a salesperson at a Toyota dealership, I hope they will come up with a solution that restores the consumers faith in the product.
I’ve never heard of anyone having a noise when they back up. Is it possible that the noise is coming from the emergency brake not being fully released when you start to back up?
Toyota's remedy is to rebuild the short block engine instead of replacing it...100,000 vehicles affected is significant no matter how you want to spin it...
The 2024 tundras may not be involved with the recall but there are some 2024 tundras still having blown engines I've heard of one person so far that had to replace there engine 3 times
Isn't the hybrid not being recall is because the electric motor can still run the vehicle when the gas engine failed...thus less likely to be involved in an accident
Yes that is true. There’s been more information that has come out after that video. It’s very likely that the hybrid models will be recalled also at some point.
I’ve watched a video from a Toyota mechanic, and he said that it would be a short block. I don’t believe a full engine replacement is going to be an option.
Crate motor = good anything else is bullzhit. Paying 4k for the extended warranty cause toyota messed up is foolishness. Just bought a 2022 taco myself and love it. But just went through this with grandpa and his 2022 tundra. First it was the passenger door leaking water. After 5 visits and 3 patch jobs it's I improved not fixed. Up till recently we have had no problems. Till last week. The engine started knocking. After 30 years and over 25 new car purchases between all my family members we are about to give up on toyota.
Made in Mexico? Quality control is out the door, they make those trucks with a few dollar’s paying the employees a few bucks, how weird metal shaving recall on tacomas 23 on the rear differential mounting which could cause the differential to come apart
Rodney, two questions: one, why are Hybrids excluded? I assume they have the same short block. And second, I have heard of some 24's with engine issues. Are they sure they are excluded, or will they be added down the road?
Two great questions that we don’t have answers to yet. I don’t think Toyota know if it’s just manufacturing issue as they’re said, or if there’s a bigger issue, that there’s actual shavings from internal parts causing the bearings to cease
@@Rodneysnwridesandreviews Rodney need your advice about going on a long road trip. God forbid my truck craps out far from home, but if it did, I would assume it would be towed to the closest Toyota dealer, but with an engine issue and a long time for a fix, would I have to fly back at some point to get it. Would Toyota pay for the tow and other travel expenses to pick up the vehicle, and what about a loaner? Sorry, I know this is long but this has been in the back of my mind.
@@shortythefrenchie yes typically they would tow it to a Toyota service dealership nearby. Yes you would have to fly back to pick it up at some point since it wouldn’t be a quick fix. I’ll have to talk to our service department to see what Toyota typically does as far as reimbursement. They would typically provide a loaner car.
Been with Toyota since 1986.. currently have a 2005 4 Cylinder access cab, 2022 Tacoma TRD OFF ROAD PREMIUM LONG-BED, 2024 TRD PRO 4RUNNER. My friend you better trade that truck in ASAP that type of recall you can’t recover from unless they replace that engine… that’s why they haven’t made the announcement yet on how they are going to fix those trucks.. your talking about $21,000 engine and $8,500 in labor not to mention your trade in value is dropping fast on that generation of Tundra’s.. Toyota dealerships don’t want those trucks back on the lot that’s why they are offering $9,000 rebates on all new Tundra’s up in the Pacific Northwest….don’t think about it just get rid of that disaster of a truck…
Toyota recall statement” possible and may be the debris caused it” Toyota doesn’t know for sure what caused it, recall could explains to 2024 and other models if engine design flaws instead.
This video still doesn't clarify whether ANY of the new 2024 V35A equipped vehicles CURRENTLY in stock on dealers lots around the USA (e.g. the $80,000 Lexus GX550 and LX600) will have durable engine bearings !!
I think the recall was the icing ln the cake for many of is 3rd gen owners.. thats why many are psed. These 3ed gens are not Toyota quality around the vehicle... Yes many are using it as click bait. But a lot of the outrage is simply true. Cheap plastics with rattles, loid brakes, lose windo striping, windows that rattle, grill shutter issues... And most of this... There simply isnt a fix. .. a lot of us long time Toyota loytist are pretty upset about getting one of these... Again. Its not just this recall . It:s the horribly built, expensive rattle can in pur driveways
The takeaway from this recall is that Hyundai/Kia is building engines for Toyota? Too much of a coincidence that Toyota has the SAME problem that plagued thousands of Hyundai vehicles!
You stated “nothing to worry about” if you want to buy a brand new 2024 Tundra. That is not accurate. Several 2024 owners have reported engine failures already. It seems Toyota did not include 2024 VINs at this time in order to avoid a stop sale situation. I was about to purchase a 2024 Tundra and just put on the brakes. I would NOT buy a new 2024 Tundra right now. The risks are high and resale values are tanking fast.
Anyone who promotes a new short block as a fix for this is ignoring the fact that the oil that carried the machining debris went throughout the engine including the heads where the camshafts are. Those heads should not be reused IF the problem is indeed machining debris. One theory that is being suggested by another youtube video is that machining debris is a smoke screen for a poor main bearing design. This would explain why cylinder heads are being reused since they are unaffected by a bad main bearing design. Yes, I know a fix hasn't been fully devised by Toyota yet, but this theory of a bad design may get legs. We'll have to see. BTW, Toyota does not equip their motors with aluminum magnets so until they do the machining debris will have to be drained out with the oil.
Just listening to you seems like your covering for Toyota on this. How do you know its only 1%. I doubt Toyota would tell everybody they have a 100,000 truck recall for 1%. They would have kept their mouth shut and paid of the damage on the 1%.
Who's making these engines? I had one of those tens of thousands bad engines in my 2020 Camry. Seems Toyota might want to find new contractors or go back to making their parts again if the quality issues keep happening. Toyota come up with every excuse in the book to keep from fixing my new Camry.
they recall replace short block after that engine will have another problems if not strong skills technician work on look at subaru after recall valve springs problems technician apply too much silicone and get in oil pickup tube and worn out engine
@@Bangkok-ik1fp if it’s truly just debris left during manufacturing, then the first short block replacement will fix the issue. If they need a second replacement, then Toyota has a bigger issue than they’ve reported so far.
The fuel filler neck recall isn’t solved yet, the remedy is still in limbo. Dealership wraps the neck with cut resistive material to prevent brake lines rubbing against the fuel filler neck. Also the block are forged at bodine aluminum company and TMMAL machined the blocks I would say the debris has a greater percentage being from the crankshaft, the ferrous material is much harder than aluminum and would definitely lock up an engine. I am speaking from firsthand knowledge from working a Toyota V6 and L4 crankshaft machining line and assembly lines over the past 27 years
I am a retired mechanic and I just bought Toyota tundra platinum. I am so disappointed and Toyota my confidence for this truck is zero because of all of them that are blown up the cost that I spent on this truck and for me not to have any confidence in it is horrible. I think about it all the time, I afraid it Toyota took my heart to earn money 82k for truck that I don’t have no confidence in I am so disappointed in Toyota and if they🦾🇺🇸👮🏼♂️🇺🇸👮🏾🇺🇸👩🏿🚀🇺🇸💯🇺🇸👩🏿🦰🇺🇸👨🏼🦳🇺🇸🧓🏿🇺🇸👐🏿🇺🇸👮🏼♀️🙏🦾🇺🇸 wanna make this right, they should buy back all these trucks
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Rodney… a magnet won’t collect metal debris given the Tundra block is aluminum and metal debris is also aluminum.
"Manufacturing debris" is a generic and useless statement. There likely is a more fundamental issue with this revised design.
That is a possibility, and once we hear what the remedy will be, we’ll have a better understanding if it was bad engineering, or bad manufacturing. Thanks for the feedback
Buy a 2020 or 2021 TRD PRO TUNdRA and you won’t be disappointed
Hard to say what the actual numbers are. The recalls for the Tundra's are specifically the turbo non--hybrid variants. However, if you look at some videos here on youtube, and some in-depth analysis of the situation, it appears Toyota messed up what is called a "bridge bearing". There are other names for it, but it's a design that is supposed to be a "stronger" newer design for the bearing structure. And logically it looks like a good idea on the surface of it, but in practice there seems to be issues with the design. The same design in featured in a Lexus GX, hence the fact they've had problems as well.
And in videos online, evidence shows motors with these bearings failing in both the Tundra and the GX -- and this is first hand knowledge of people who have seen the damage in both models at a Toyota repair shop. And this is why a lot of people don't trust Toyota's explaination of what's going on. It seems to be a serious engineering issue, that can destroy the engine's short block at any mileage. So my 2 cents, I think this issue is not going away until Toyota redesigns these engines and does a refresh or entirely new generation of trucks.
Toyota is just like other companies out there, they make mistakes. But this mistake may last longer than the usual couple of years, that customers are used to seeing in the past.
I encourage people concerned about this issue to watch this video here: ruclips.net/video/1XdaccfMxn4/видео.html , this person is very well repected in the Toyota community.
@@glow4417 thanks for the feedback. It does seem that it could be more than just debris left during manufacturing.
If it is a design flaw then why the 2024th are not affected? The engine or part of it was not redesigned for 2024 model year, was it?
You make a lot of sense sir, calmly and logically explaining the situation. You’re right about the over dramatic “clickbait” going around. My 22 Tundra has 47,000 miles and drives like a dream.. love it
Thank you for the comment, and feedback 👍
47,000 miles isn’t much. If you make it to 100,000 with this engine you’ll be very lucky.
@@jpete3027666Some people already have
I love driving my 22 Limited- it drive like a tank.
I’d stay away from buying any Toyota with the turbo for awhile, just stay away.
@mizzouxc3824my 4 runner was a lemon with the steering shimmy issue, a 2022
@mizzouxc3824 lexus is made in japan also on the recall also have already failed.
No matter what the root cause is, I’m disappointed in Toyotas decline. I have a 23 Tundra. My retirement treat to myself. My family over the years has bought a dozen or more Toyotas. My trust and confidence in Toyota is gone. In addition to this recall Japans transport ministry raided the head quarters of Toyota Tuesday as a scandal over claims of manipulated safety data. Their response to all of this (for me) will decide if I leave the brand and never come back after being a loyal customer for 40 years.
Thanks for the feedback.
Don’t loose faith just yet, I’ve been a toyota tech for 25 years, they always step up and take care of problems that no other manufacturer does. All other manufacturers have engine problems that they don’t recall and take care of their customers.
@@jameshasenjaeger5181 just bought a 2024 Tundra TRD off road SR5 6 weeks ago.
My understanding was the 22/23's were problematic and Toyota had sorted out the issue for the 24's.
Now i'm hearing thats not the case and the 24's are having issues.
Now i feel im driving a ticking time bomb , the dealership and manufacturer fucked me and my resale value is already destroyed.
Any data on the percentage of engines on these twins that are failing ?
@@LightWorkRev2-9 it’s not as big as it feels when you see all these videos about it. I’ve seen so many times like this that get people panicked and worried, bottom line is this will all pass, it’s very rare that you’ll have this problem, especially if it hasn’t happened yet, and toyota is talking care of the problem, way better than any other manufacturer would in this situation.
@@jameshasenjaeger5181 250,000 trucks sold and 1000 angry customers could make it seem like most of them are fucked, still disconcerting having just dropped $75 stacks on a brand new 2024 , ive only got 1700miles , fingers crossed , just sucks to have it in the back of my mind every road trip going forward and that i switched to this brand after getting fucked by Ford.
Thanks for sharing your feedback. As a 2022 Toyota owner myself, here is my point of view.
1. The typical customer isn’t going to care or show any mercy on Toyota for parts outsourced. If they bought a Toyota they expect the parts to already have been through QA.
2. For vehicles involved in this particular recall, it should be up to Toyota to provide an extended warranty free of charge without the customer having to dig even farther in their pockets after already losing trust in their vehicle and honestly the brand.
Just how I am currently feeling as I have spent a lot of time going back and forth to the dealership already getting recall work performed and am now dealing with this from a brand known for reliability and a truck that costs 60,000 plus.
Thanks again, I enjoy your videos.
Thank you for the feedback 👍
They need to refund 10k and give a lifetime warranty ...can't even trade it either
So it's debris in the motor? Motors from 2 different plants have the same debris left in the motor? That's nearly impossible. There have been a few hybrids and also some 24's starting to fail with the same issue. Only a matter of time before they are included.
Low quality bearings, small engines with big body truck , oil flow design flaws, and add turbo for more stress.
@@ilocanodetoy2225 Also the weird aluminum cradle/main bearing cap design. Differential expansion or a flaw in the way it's cast and machined. There are many potential causes, but the "debris from manufacturing" narrative is BS if you ask me.
You're correct from what I've read and seen. Certainly if the process is exactly the same at the two plants that produce the motors then it's plausible that debris could be in motors from both plants. But, there's information out there that says hybrids are included plus some '24 models. You 'd think no '24s would have this problem if the process was corrected. Another video suggests that it's really a bad main bearing design and that the machining debris is a ruse to divert attention from the real cause. There's still more to be learned about this whole big problem.
I'll keep my 07 5.7 for a few more years.
I was worried about the debris, so I had the dealership do my first oil change at 900 miles on my 24. The service managers weren't even aware of the 22-23 recall.
Because it's not a large number of engine issues. You have a few loudmouths making all the noise
@@OldmanSnake i need data , just bought a 2024 Tundra TRD off road SR5 6 weeks ago.
My understanding was the 22/23's were problematic and Toyota had sorted out the issue for the 24's.
Now i'm hearing thats not the case and the 24's are having issues.
Now i feel im driving a ticking time bomb , the dealership and manufacturer fucked me and my resale value will be destroyed.
Any data on the percentage of engines on these twins that are failing ?
You can also send in a oil sample for analysis to see if it contains too much bearing layer materials.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
Thank you Rodney.
I’m driving a late 2022 (October) with 98,000 miles. It is a hybrid so I’m not too worried but I am keeping it close watch on what’s going on. As a sidenote, I do change my oil every 5000 miles and I do not drive this truck hard.
Well at least you’re devaluing your own truck driving 50k+ miles a year
@@AledoTxITwins I do drive a lot. When I hit 250 to 300 (if it makes it that long) I’ll just buy another one.
I love my Tundra that much also. But im keeping my mileage low@@AledoTxITwins
Hi Rodney. Thanks for this. There is alot of uncertainty around this issue and folks want answers. I've read that this issue may be deeper than metal filing debris and that if this was the case, these bearing failures would be more random than they are (i.e., not just affecting the main bearing). Folks are speculating that this is a design issue with the block and that as designed, it lacks the structural integrity to handle normal operating conditions of a turbo V6, putting stress on this bearing. I don't know, I'm not an engineer. I know that you are being as forthcoming as you can about it and I appreciate it but I just wish that Toyota would be forthcoming about it. If the "fix" is a short block replacement (presumably with the same block) what good will it do? If the block is indeed compromised, shouldn't they be offing crate engine replacements? This whole thing is sad because I've relied on Toyotas for 30 years. I hope they do the right thing.
I agree that it could be more than what Toyota is letting on. I think Toyota will have to thoroughly inspect many of engines torn down before they will really know what the issue is. I’ll pass information along as it’s released. Thanks for the comment.
I had my oil changed on my 2024 at 1200 miles at non-toyota facility. They said the oil looked normal for that break-in period. and showed me a sample. Thanks Rodney for being level headed! The Toyota-hating porn can give people disproportionate anxiety.
Thanks for the comment. 👍
Looked normal could be different than testing normal by a lab. Just saying.
@@chuckg6039 maybe. But I could see others saying, “well the lab results looked good, but sending it into space might make it look different, just sayin.”
@@reviewer5286Whatever the case, I hope it all works out well.
There only have been 824 engines that went under warranty work since 2022. 295,000+ trucks sold since 2022. Do the math. Its highly unlikely that 99.7% of people will have an issue.
I don’t believe any numbers coming from any manufacturer when money and reputation are involved.
how do i find this data so i can sleep better at night ? sick to my stomach , just dropped 75K cash on a 2024
And who wants to be somewhere with their family on board to find out if theres is the one. Maybe its a lonely road at minus 30. No thanks. I have no faith in tundra at this point
restoring shattered faith in both the tacoma and tundra may be possible by toyota giving a 100k powertrain warranty. put your warranty where your mouth is, or let these insanely overpriced trucks rot on the lot.
Toyota has more information on the NHTSA site. Tim from Pickup Truck Talk channel made a video earlier today and he read it there. You should read why the hybrids weren’t involved in the recall. It doesn’t mean the engine won’t have problems. I recommend doing oil analysis to find out for yourself if there’s bearing material in the oil.
That is stunning country you’re driving through👍🏻
Magnets in the oil pan will not catch the none magnetic materiels that make up your main bearings.
The debris getting into the bearings is what’s causing the bearings to fail in the first place. If they were able to find shavings from the bearings, the engine would already be shot by that point.
I noticed that the short block part numbers appear to be different between hybrid and non-hybrid. Also elude to the fact that the oil pressures are different. Can you confirm that the hybrid short block is a different part number?
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder frame or the new non resin coated metallic bearings themselves. My theory is that the differential expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Solution: maybe go back to resin coating on main bearings? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate? I think this recall will grow. The recall is an effort to prevent rhese vehicle from losing tremendous resale value once warranty period expires and to address NHTSA concerns Thoughts?
There has been talk about different main bearing torque pressures as a possible fix.
200k Bumper to Bumper warranty, and I'm good! Do it, Toyota!
I’ll stick with my 5.7 naturally aspirated V-8 Lexus 570 for now.
Same. By 2030ish they should hopefully have worked out the kinks by then.. GX550 might be a nice option @ that point
I have a 2023 that is on the recall list. I've done all the normal maintenance and change the oil every 5k miles. So far, it runs without issues. I expect that I will wait until the remedy is announced and see what that means for me. If I'm not satisfied with the remedy I will trade this vehicle after the remedy has been completed, likely at a loss, before the 60 month/60k miles powertrain warranty expires. I hope it doesn't come to that, but if it does I would be very disappointed.
I feel the exact same way!
Love the 127 on the KTM my son ran 127 and I ran 128 as it’s our birthdays!
Safe riding🤙🏻
Thx Rodney! i have a 2024 Tundra I love, but i'm second guessing buying it and unsure about the future...
Keep in mind that currently only 1% have had this issue, and the 2024’s aren’t currently involved in the recall.
25 year Toyota tech here, you have nothing to worry about, enjoy your truck
@@jameshasenjaeger5181 Thanks for your reply and encouragement James...i love my new Tundra and hope your right:)
I have an early 2023 ( build date 01-2023). I’m not going to be satisfied with a short block that is put together on the dealers workbench! I think we deserve a brand new complete motor. If that doesn’t happen I’ll be getting rid of this truck and going back to my previous model, a hd2500, best vehicle I ever iwned
Great info. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment 👍
The hybrid isnt recalled yet because the hybrid can propel the vehicle off the road of the engine fails. The hybeid ICE is made on the exact assembly line as the other engines. I woulebt touch a hybrid either. Some hybrids have failed. I would bet Toyota will eventually recall the hybrids too.
Speculations - Please provide stories or links of failed Hybrids. I call BS until then.
Absolutely not true. The hybrid engine is not on the same assembly line.
Toyota hybrid technology is the most battle tested and proven. If anything goes, it would be the batteries but they tend to degrade slowly and not just crap out suddenly
@@OldmanSnake The base engine that goes into the hybrid is built entirely on a different line in AL?
The recall says "2022- 23 up to mid February build" . If mine was built in March 2023 will mine be okay?
It should be, but if you go to your remote connect app, it will tell you if yours is included in the recall.
App does not say recalled. I also did oil change at 1k, then every 5k. Now have 11k on truck and running fine.
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Yeah no other mfg is having any issues.
@@Mjr1348 🤣
Tundras 2022 to 2024 are not certified by Toyota anymore because of this recall.
Why my dealer-certified tundras for sale?
What should I do with my 2023 certified Tundra that have
I think you might of misunderstood what I was saying. It won’t take your certification away from your 2023 Tundra. If a Toyota dealership takes in a 2022-2023 Tundra, and it is affected by the recall, it will prevent them from certifying it.A recall doesn’t take away the certification of any vehicles that were purchased prior to the recall.
@Rodneysnwridesandreviews so, I have certified Tundra but I have a recall, but u paid the dealer won't certified the car if there is a recall .
Thanks
@@donays8241 they can’t certify if it comes in to the dealers inventory while there is an open recall. It doesn’t take away anyone’s certification that they have on a vehicle they’ve already purchased, prior to the recall. When Toyota comes out with a remedy, they will repair your Tundra, and you’ll still have a certified truck until you sell it, trade it in, or the time or mileage expires that was laid out for you at the time of purchase.
I imagine it will be a short block, turbos, heads etc that they will have to replace. Someone said around 3b in costs though I think it will be much lower due to labor rates they have to pay vs what we pay and their costs for parts vs ours.
Do you think the 2024 will have the same problem?
Toyota is saying they changed their manufacturing process, however we won’t know for sure until more 2024’s have been sold.
2024s are not involved in the recall but are affected. There have been documented cases of both tundra and LX600 failures
Nice scenery
I have a 24 tundra that currently has about 1600 miles on it, and I’m just worried after seeing these recalls videos 😪
exact same boat.. just bought a 2024 Tundra TRD off road SR5 6 weeks ago. brand new.
My understanding was the 22/23's were problematic and Toyota had sorted out the issue for the 24's.
Now i'm hearing thats not the case and the 24's are having issues.
Now i feel im driving a ticking time bomb , the dealership and manufacturer fucked me and my resale value will be destroyed.
Any data on the percentage of engines on these twins that are failing ?
@@LightWorkRev2-9 no idea😪 please share if you have any updates. Thanks in advance.
@@Hellokaz 1% have this issue on the 24's according to this (so far that number will raise in the next 2-3 years )
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@@LightWorkRev2-9 how’s your truck? How many miles do you have now?
@@LightWorkRev2-9 feeling like shit. Thinking about trading it in for a non turbo. Fuck toyota seriously
Would you not suggest buying a used 22 Tundra hybrid from a non Toyota dealership?!
At this time the Hybrid models haven’t been included. Some people seem to think that they are going to be included. We don’t know enough about the issue yet. If it does become affected by the recall, it would be repaired free of charge. With all the specials going on with the 2024 models, have you looked at the new ones?
Doesn't it stand to reason that Toyota never knew about this defect until reports of engines failing came in, therefore wouldn't 2024 models also have issues? Why just a recall on 22 and 23's?
Is it possibly an engineering design problem?
It is a possibility, but the only way we’ll know is if they make the repair, and then the same issue happens over again. It’s too early to know at this point. Right now the only Toyota has said is that it’s debris left over from manufacturing.
How does it not effect the hybrids. Same block = same problem. I heard it's not a safety issue on hybrids, but the problem is still happening to hybrids. The recall is a safety recall.
@@treborheminway3814 in the beginning they didn’t explain why the hybrid wasn’t being recalled. The reason was that should the engine fail while driving, the electric motor would still allow the vehicle to move off the road. It’s very likely that the hybrid models will be included in the recall at some point.
@@Rodneysnwridesandreviews yes, it's only for safety that they are required to recall them. I think the lack of a plan has hurt them more than a bad one at this point. Haha.
problem is there are been multiple engines in just one truck. The question is what is causing this ? seems a little fishy.
Hi Sir. what king of Tacoma do you have now?
2024 Tacoma TRD Off-Road upgrade package
The real issue is not a debris problem it is low quality bearings installed with a low flow oil design around the bearings, with the engine so small with additional turbo the engine is getting too much stress and the bearings are the one that do all the heavy load so there that is the real problems. If you already have Tundra don’t accelerate quick, don’t do heavy load and change your oil every 2500 miles.
When you have a lot of money and like to gamble and wait forever for repair or replacement go for it. I keep my older truck and stay out of trouble.
What about the X-71?
Debris in the engine block. That’s why those main bearings are toast. Some engines fail with 100 miles on them, some fail with 5,000 miles. Yes, “only” 1% have failed so far. Some haven’t failed yet. But with debris in the engine block rest assured these engines will fail at some point. This is unreal how Toyota allowed this to happen. Debris in the block, there is no fix for that. I would accept nothing but a new engine. Otherwise I’d sell it. Chances are Toyota will try to flush the engines, do an oil change and call them okay.
2024 Lexus GX? Or the LX? I got a 24 GX coming. I sold my 24 tundra 😂
Not sure where you got a 1% rate. In the 2 year timeframe toyota sold a total of around 200k tundras and the new recall is for 100k of them, that's close to 50%
In 2022 Toyota sold 94k Tundra’s. The current recall shows Tundras built from Nov of 2021 thru Feb of 2023. That very well could be expanded, but at that time, there wasn’t the 200k sold as you mentioned.
Rodney, the reason the hybrid version wasn't recalled is because this is a "safety" recall. Toyota says that if the hybrid version of the engine fails, the electric motor can power the truck until it's safe to pull over, so there is no safety issue in their mind and thus no recall. They're recalling the non-hybrid version of the engine because the truck loses power while potentially moving at fast highway speeds, creating a safety hazard. Toyota also decided to exclude 2024 Tundra's despite the fact that there have been plenty of 2024 Tundra owners that have reported the exact same bearing failure. This recall is a joke.
Yes I read about the Hybrid models, and their reasoning for not including them in the recall.
There’s a lot of things that just adding up. First it was debris left in the motors, then it was bearing having different torque settings, or pressure I think they said, and then it was only trucks built in a specific time period.
As a salesperson at a Toyota dealership, I hope they will come up with a solution that restores the consumers faith in the product.
Mine is 2024 and so far the only problem its the noise on the brake pads when reversing, do you know anything about this?? Thanks
I’ve never heard of anyone having a noise when they back up. Is it possible that the noise is coming from the emergency brake not being fully released when you start to back up?
So the parking brake automatically engages when you park correct?? Maybe I will need to release the parking brake first, thanks
Toyota's remedy is to rebuild the short block engine instead of replacing it...100,000 vehicles affected is significant no matter how you want to spin it...
The 2024 tundras may not be involved with the recall but there are some 2024 tundras still having blown engines I've heard of one person so far that had to replace there engine 3 times
Isn't the hybrid not being recall is because the electric motor can still run the vehicle when the gas engine failed...thus less likely to be involved in an accident
Yes that is true. There’s been more information that has come out after that video. It’s very likely that the hybrid models will be recalled also at some point.
I wouldn’t want to go the shortblock route. I’d want a brand new fully assembled engine.
I’ve watched a video from a Toyota mechanic, and he said that it would be a short block. I don’t believe a full engine replacement is going to be an option.
Crate motor = good anything else is bullzhit. Paying 4k for the extended warranty cause toyota messed up is foolishness. Just bought a 2022 taco myself and love it. But just went through this with grandpa and his 2022 tundra. First it was the passenger door leaking water. After 5 visits and 3 patch jobs it's I improved not fixed. Up till recently we have had no problems. Till last week. The engine started knocking. After 30 years and over 25 new car purchases between all my family members we are about to give up on toyota.
Made in Mexico? Quality control is out the door, they make those trucks with a few dollar’s paying the employees a few bucks, how weird metal shaving recall on tacomas 23 on the rear differential mounting which could cause the differential to come apart
Rodney, two questions: one, why are Hybrids excluded? I assume they have the same short block. And second, I have heard of some 24's with engine issues. Are they sure they are excluded, or will they be added down the road?
Two great questions that we don’t have answers to yet. I don’t think Toyota know if it’s just manufacturing issue as they’re said, or if there’s a bigger issue, that there’s actual shavings from internal parts causing the bearings to cease
They go thru a much more rigorous process and have a lot of different steps at the plant
@@Rodneysnwridesandreviews Rodney need your advice about going on a long road trip. God forbid my truck craps out far from home, but if it did, I would assume it would be towed to the closest Toyota dealer, but with an engine issue and a long time for a fix, would I have to fly back at some point to get it. Would Toyota pay for the tow and other travel expenses to pick up the vehicle, and what about a loaner? Sorry, I know this is long but this has been in the back of my mind.
@@shortythefrenchie yes typically they would tow it to a Toyota service dealership nearby. Yes you would have to fly back to pick it up at some point since it wouldn’t be a quick fix. I’ll have to talk to our service department to see what Toyota typically does as far as reimbursement. They would typically provide a loaner car.
@@Rodneysnwridesandreviews Thanks, Rodney!
Been with Toyota since 1986.. currently have a 2005 4 Cylinder access cab, 2022 Tacoma TRD OFF ROAD PREMIUM LONG-BED, 2024 TRD PRO 4RUNNER. My friend you better trade that truck in ASAP that type of recall you can’t recover from unless they replace that engine… that’s why they haven’t made the announcement yet on how they are going to fix those trucks.. your talking about $21,000 engine and $8,500 in labor not to mention your trade in value is dropping fast on that generation of Tundra’s.. Toyota dealerships don’t want those trucks back on the lot that’s why they are offering $9,000 rebates on all new Tundra’s up in the Pacific Northwest….don’t think about it just get rid of that disaster of a truck…
Toyota recall statement” possible and may be the debris caused it” Toyota doesn’t know for sure what caused it, recall could explains to 2024 and other models if engine design flaws instead.
This video still doesn't clarify whether ANY of the new 2024 V35A equipped vehicles CURRENTLY in stock on dealers lots around the USA (e.g. the $80,000 Lexus GX550 and LX600) will have durable engine bearings !!
I think the recall was the icing ln the cake for many of is 3rd gen owners.. thats why many are psed. These 3ed gens are not Toyota quality around the vehicle... Yes many are using it as click bait. But a lot of the outrage is simply true. Cheap plastics with rattles, loid brakes, lose windo striping, windows that rattle, grill shutter issues... And most of this... There simply isnt a fix. .. a lot of us long time Toyota loytist are pretty upset about getting one of these... Again. Its not just this recall . It:s the horribly built, expensive rattle can in pur driveways
They said 1% because they REALLY DONT KNOW HOW MANY ARE AFFECTED.
Main baring assembly too weak over heating causing brake down ..
The takeaway from this recall is that Hyundai/Kia is building engines for Toyota? Too much of a coincidence that Toyota has the SAME problem that plagued thousands of Hyundai vehicles!
You stated “nothing to worry about” if you want to buy a brand new 2024 Tundra. That is not accurate. Several 2024 owners have reported engine failures already. It seems Toyota did not include 2024 VINs at this time in order to avoid a stop sale situation. I was about to purchase a 2024 Tundra and just put on the brakes. I would NOT buy a new 2024 Tundra right now. The risks are high and resale values are tanking fast.
If you own this engine spend the money for an oil analysis. It'll be obvious if you have the issue.
They all will be recalled at some point
Anyone who promotes a new short block as a fix for this is ignoring the fact that the oil that carried the machining debris went throughout the engine including the heads where the camshafts are. Those heads should not be reused IF the problem is indeed machining debris. One theory that is being suggested by another youtube video is that machining debris is a smoke screen for a poor main bearing design. This would explain why cylinder heads are being reused since they are unaffected by a bad main bearing design. Yes, I know a fix hasn't been fully devised by Toyota yet, but this theory of a bad design may get legs. We'll have to see. BTW, Toyota does not equip their motors with aluminum magnets so until they do the machining debris will have to be drained out with the oil.
Would you be happy if u were one of the thousand? There are going to be more. What happens when the numbers grow after 50000 miles?
I’m hoping Toyota can come up with a solution, not a bandaid, and restore people’s faith in the brand.
1%..how many tundras did they sell 🧐 i swear it aint thay much
The last I’ve heard was they sold 98,600 including the Lexus GX, and just over 900 issues have been documented
Just listening to you seems like your covering for Toyota on this. How do you know its only 1%. I doubt
Toyota would tell everybody they have a 100,000 truck recall for 1%. They would have kept their mouth shut and
paid of the damage on the 1%.
Just keep driving until it fails, and it will
What Is The Hourly Wage Of A Mexican Worker To Assemble Toyota Trucks In Mexico ? I Heard Sub $3 Per Hour ? Get What You Pay For ...
Since they’ve been building Tacoma’s at the Baja plant in Mexico since 2004 does that mean every Tacoma since 2004 is cheap or inferior?
Who's making these engines? I had one of those tens of thousands bad engines in my 2020 Camry. Seems Toyota might want to find new contractors or go back to making their parts again if the quality issues keep happening. Toyota come up with every excuse in the book to keep from fixing my new Camry.
Toyota should include a KTM with every tundra so you dont get stranded
I like it 👍
they recall replace short block after that engine will have another problems if not strong skills technician work on look at subaru after recall valve springs problems technician apply too much silicone and get in oil pickup tube and worn out engine
You are just guessing, just like the other YT'ers.
Since Toyota hasn’t come up with a remedy, anyone that comments on it, is strictly guessing.
@@Bangkok-ik1fp if it’s truly just debris left during manufacturing, then the first short block replacement will fix the issue. If they need a second replacement, then Toyota has a bigger issue than they’ve reported so far.
The fuel filler neck recall isn’t solved yet, the remedy is still in limbo. Dealership wraps the neck with cut resistive material to prevent brake lines rubbing against the fuel filler neck.
Also the block are forged at bodine aluminum company and TMMAL machined the blocks I would say the debris has a greater percentage being from the crankshaft, the ferrous material is much harder than aluminum and would definitely lock up an engine.
I am speaking from firsthand knowledge from working a Toyota V6 and L4 crankshaft machining line and assembly lines over the past 27 years
@@mitch3402 thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your knowledge and expertise
@@Rodneysnwridesandreviewsor it was just a bad job done by a inexperienced tech putting the motor together.
Stop sale is just around the corner!!!
I stopped buying Toyotas when they started to become junk, which was a while ago.
best advice ..DO NOT BUY ONE!!! pretty simple
Toyota is doomed😂
Never!
TOYOTA's tech is GOING down.
Like Japon Economy.
They don't put the money on R&D.
Rubbish vehicle.
I am a retired mechanic and I just bought Toyota tundra platinum. I am so disappointed and Toyota my confidence for this truck is zero because of all of them that are blown up the cost that I spent on this truck and for me not to have any confidence in it is horrible. I think about it all the time, I afraid it Toyota took my heart to earn money 82k for truck that I don’t have no confidence in I am so disappointed in Toyota and if they🦾🇺🇸👮🏼♂️🇺🇸👮🏾🇺🇸👩🏿🚀🇺🇸💯🇺🇸👩🏿🦰🇺🇸👨🏼🦳🇺🇸🧓🏿🇺🇸👐🏿🇺🇸👮🏼♀️🙏🦾🇺🇸 wanna make this right, they should buy back all these trucks
It's pretty basic....they go Ka......Boom!!!