Ray, there's a bulletin on these that's been out for years. While failed coils are always a possibility, the more likely cause is fouled plugs from oil burning due to VCM (cylinder deactivation-ECO mode.) I know you just replaced the plugs but check the rear bank of plugs for oil fouling. If they're fouled Honda says you need to replace the rings. Replacing the plugs and disabling the VCM with a VCMTunerII will usually take care of the problem and the rings will clean up once those cylinders aren't deactivating anymore.
@@chuckgross6024 -- ECO mode? I have one available on my RAV4 Hybrid. I wonder if i should check, but I think that is what I have selected at the beginning and been using ever since... I have thought it has something to do with configuring the battery use.
I have brushed up against the possibility of being OCD, I spread sheet my cars. More detail than a invoice. But the very same idea. Really helps with diagnosis time to know what's been replaced and at what year or miles.
Also, since you are a registered shop now it will help possible future owners know what maintenance has been done to the car. I'm going through that right now,since I don't know what previous owners did do (didn't do) I'm doing fluids changes and other simple maintenance to get up to date. Precautionary!
I've done TONS of these when I worked at Honda. There was an issue with all the 3.5 engines fouling plugs. TSB was issued to replace the piston rings on 1 2 and 3. Oil consumption issue and or misfire usually first on cylinder 3.
Ray, I want to say that your subtle movie references/lines do not go unnoticed!! I try to explain to my wife that I'm not the only one who does that on a daily basis! 🙃
i appreciate the fact that instead of getting out and moving the trash can ... you instead got out and set up the camera ... to record you moving the trash can with the wife unit, successfully i might add.
Ray, you are funny ! I remember that I talked like you , A father /young kids talks this way because he is always talking funny to make his kids laugh ! Great Father ,way to go Ray.......
Unless you need it for content purposes, delete the VCM system on the Mrs. Odyssey for reliability, smoothness and longevity. I have a 2010 and a 2013 Odyssey and once they started the misfire game, I deleted the VCM system and it’s been smooth sailing for 6 years, and no oil consumption issues anymore.
@Ray, I know youve prolly checked what Im about to say but incase you havent, heres a list I would tend to go down and keep in mind im still learning. 1. If its #3 that keeps going bad have you tried looking at the spark plug ignition cables themselves? Are they worn or damaged? If its still continues try, it could have too high resistance or could have a gap in the middle of the conductor itself. 2. Coils, spark plugs, tracing the wires for a lose connection or bad wire, oxygen sensor, fuel injector, poor compression, burnt exst valve, low or no fuel, fuel delivery issues, vacuum leaks, carbon tracking. 3. have your wife write a list of where shes getting her gas, they may be diluting it Could it be a faulty catalytic converter or defective computer system, maybe a leaky seal or gasket. Either way i hope you are able to figure it out, like i said I wasnt sure if you tried all these but since it keeps happening id check. Also I dont know if Lauren checked the gaps b4 installing the spark plugs, or if you did but that could be it too. Love the videos, thank you for all your hard work.
In my lifetime I only used oem coils and sensors I newer had any recalls in todays word there are no real price difference also your no comebacks thanks ray for your content 🇺🇸👍
I had a customer i went and did a coil on 4 times in one year for a 2012 jeep patriot. Everytime they called, it had a misfire. Everytime it was a different cylinder. I actually mentioned to them doing them all at once but they declined so i did them one at a time until all 4 were new. They live in the same environment so they will see the same failure over time like you said. Sometimes when a mechanic recomends replacing all like components, it isnt because we are trying to charge more. We know the like components will fail the same way.
Around 20 years ago I replaced the starter on my 88 ranger 4 times in One year, first two were out of the nearest major city a little over an hour away from here from autozone after the 2nd failed I refunded and purchase another starter from the closest store a local carquest 17 miles away that promptly failed after a few months so I exchanged for another, This One Worked. It was at this moment I opted to buy what has become my lucky charm and purchased a spare starter, I have had no issue with my starter since then, and have a very lovely flywheel hypnotizing paper weight to prove for it to nag at me.
Ray, I am surprised you did not replace the remaining coils. I always use Denso coils in my Honda's, I have never had one fail. As always thanks for posting the video and keep them coming. 😊
@@joesmith7377 what year and model do you have that comes with Hitachi? My '05 CR-V Ex uses Denso coils as OEM. Not sure about my '01 Civic Ex, but I assumed they were the same (Until now)
I think of you as a friend. I respect people who know how to fix almost anything. I have always wished I could do the same. By the 80s, I could no longer simply tune and time a car, something that would always make me feel soo good to get done. Do me a big favor? Please recognize a young person, someone who knows what you do, and teach them. I know, that's a big favor. They will live a strong and happy life while helping hundreds of people. Peace and love to you Sir.
The trash can "WIN" along with your silliness commentary for this non-mechanic is one of the draws, it makes your videos entertaining along with informative. I appreciate the silliness, it keeps thing FUN. 👍👍
Ray one of the disadvantages of sideways mounted v-6’s is back cylinders access. That’s one of the many reasons that we don’t have FWD vehicles anymore, had one then got rid of it. Ray we always have ourselves a great day while watching you having yourself a great day. Ray I keep records of all of my vehicles repairs so I won’t have to wander. Ray be nice to the Wife Unit or she’ll turn into the Wicked Witch of the North😊
We had a 2013 same thing coming back from a long vacation with the kids. Same warning lights came on and it was a coil pack. Then like you said a few months later another coil. Good video brother!
You remind me of myself,the crazy sounds and goofing around 🤪. Before i got sick,i was a mechanic and my colleagues where laughing their ....off every day 🙂. Please don't stop being yourself buddy,love your video's
RayRay repairs Wife Unit Honda Odyssey with six times the CHARM. When I did my Spark Plug change on February 19th, I changed out all six spark plugs only because they were driven 174,000 miles since it was previously owned by someone else. I never had a coil go out at all with these many miles. I kept all of the original Denso Coils just because they weren't misfiring and use them for Diagnostics purposes.
Test the coil resistance between the old and new one. I know your super busy, but nothing like knowing for sure your diag. is correct. Your much better than a typical parts changing mechanic.
Following along with the comments below, I just went through an engine replacement due to VCM causing ring failures. Making a 14 hour trip to Colorado, I lost compression finally and the car went into limp mode. I was able to limp it 50 miles to the next town thankfully, but the cost of doing the rings was more than I paid for an engine with 105k less miles. Turns out compression was bad on all the cylinders that were disabled by VCM. I immediately installed the S-VCM Controller to disable the VCM. Funny thing is I was showing no oil (or very very minimal) oil consumption and I do my oil changes religiously. However, I purchased the car used (only had it 2 months) so I don't know how it was treated before me. Honestly, with the VCM disabled, I get almost the same gas milage as I was getting when it was in use. I've had a number of these V6 engines and this was the first one to ever fail so I'm hoping disabling the VCM will turn it back into the quality engine it was meant to be.
I’m a knuckle dragging do it yourselfer and I keep the 7 family vehicles going. In 56 years of trying to fix stuff, an alternator swap in a Ford Edge v-6 proved hugely frustrating. It’s done but....holy cow...crazy tight confines. I used every cuss word in my vocabulary on that one. Congrats on business success and on finding a woman so willing to overlook your many shortcomings. Dave, not Eileen in Omaha
I agree that is bad, but let me introduce you to my friend over here, the SAAB 900. I think they actually believed that engine parts need never be changed, ever.
Are you keeping up with Eric Os latest engine swap? It blows my mind how complicated these newer cars are to work on. I feel for you guys who do this for a living.
About 10 years ago I went through a period of time with my Chrysler Concorde when the original coils started dying and the replacements no matter what brand, even the mopar units were all trash. Finally got a batch of Standard motor product 'BWD' made in Poland that were all good to go. The longitudinal engine on the LH cars makes working on things almost a pleasure. I could not work on V6/V8 transverse mounted engines all day long and not lose my sanity.
I like to cook and bake goodies. I am a sucker for kitchen gadgets. Are mechanics suckers for tool gadgets? BTW love watching you work Ray. I have learned so much. Now I feel more confident to question my local mechanic when he/she tells me what I need to do for my car. A good mechanic appreciates when the customer tries to understand what is planned.
You don't remember? The first thing to do is check the vehicle folder, be it paper or computer, to see what was done previously to the car. Always nice to see the Wife Unit.
I just went through this with a nissan versa. Replaced one against my better judgment and once back together under a load another one was missing. They all got replaced after that and it runs great.
We sent a man to the moon 50 plus years ago, but we still can not solve the rusted bolt fused to the flange problem. And we sent a man to the moon in 1969, but only figured out wheels on luggage would really help at airports in 1971. Humans are strange.
@@jaykellett2327 do your research on the moon landings look into all the data from the probs that were sent to the moon. Listen to all the information that was announced by NASA.
@@jaykellett2327 ---Sorry, I understand your meaning but no astronaut ever set foot on moon--all a Hollywood Stunt. A Dying Guard for NASA told his only son before he died that it was a Hollywood Scene inside a Huge Tent with Multi Tons of Sand Hauled in, he witnessed the whole Scenario...
I do the one at a time for coil failures on my own vehicles. I keep the receipt with cylinder number on the receipt. The last fail with my bug was a cyl 2 wire issue not a coil after i had picked up a new coil on my way back to my test equipment. I now have a coil waiting the #2 coil fail , that would be the fourth coil for that engine.
VCM, is that a form of cylinder shut-down tech? If so, I'm surprised Honda ever wasted their time on it. Cylinder shut-down was garbage when GM first released Displacement On Demand in the early 80's, and whilst GM now call it Dynamic Fuel Management, the technology is still garbage, and the ~7% improvement in fuel economy is far from worth the extra maintenance to prevent failure, and the expense of repair when the system inevitably fails. Seriously though, I've no idea why a Japanese company would even attempt this, considering how they've been watching Americans prove how much of a joke the idea is for the past 40 years... But back on point, if VCM is Honda's own DOD, Honda should have known better, it should be disabled ASAP, and it should never have been implemented to begin with!
thank you Ray an enjoyable saturday afternoon upload,nice little repair to make up for the manifold bolts drama earlier this week,,have a great weekend,👍👌
my jeep has a pressure sending issue i bought a new mopar sender and no more problem cuz i have the part in the glovebox. so sometimes keeping parts around is good
I see you’ve had the standard misfiring Honda responses. :) While I’ve seen plenty of oil consumption issues causing the problem, I’ve also just seen bad coils on them.
I remember when I was working on cars for a living and I had a day that I just decided to go back to bed it was clearly a bad day and I needed to stop and start over when I had a long bulb from the The shop lights fall on me and my toolbox leaving me with a headache and lots of tiny glass shards in the toolbox and my shirt I just turned to the other people and said I was just going back home and I locked up and left it for the next day. I mean when a eight foot bulb falls on you for no reason I had just opened up my toolbox and had the largest drawer open with all my testing equipment in it getting ready to diagnose the problem when the metal end cap hit my forehead and then it shattered on my toolbox so I decided I was going to skip the rest of the day not long after that I went back to school and became a machinist then I sold the shop building and opened up my machine shop. Okay I just thought of that when you mentioned life is a comedy or a tragedy we’re all the hero of our own story and you can laugh or cry you decide how you are going to deal with it I built a new shop much better than the one I had with floor that are level and free of cracks and then I became disabled MS sucks but I laugh at it all 😂
2 reasons for that primarily. 1st reason is that this is a repair shop so you usually not going to see very many low mileage cars in there for repair. 2nd reason, and I save this with 0 animosity Although many Europeans make fun of Americans for not knowing much about Europe but the Size of the United States is typically astounding to many Europeans. Once you get out of the big city it is nothing to have 20 and 30 mile each way daily commute to work. Heck we have individual States that are over 700 miles wide And are the size of several European countries. Also in these challenging economic times not everyone can drop 10 or $15000 for a replacement car every time their car goes burp.
A lot of their miles are straight line driving, though long commutes are certainly normal - that's how you get your patch of land. That doesn't sound like european commuting.
You do realize the word Honda, is the reason salvage yards exist. Get your wife a newer dependable vehicle , or kiss your work schedule goodbye. And plan on being under that hood constantly.
I hope the doo dee doo dee doo's are going to come back! Also, I had a coil fail on the back bank of cylinders on my 2011 Toyota Sienna and I replaced all of them because screw taking the manifold off again. Saw you working on that RX and decided I don't love the job enough to do it twice.
13:30 - like Chevrolet Avalanche bolts…LMAO!!!! So true, need to laugh at things once in a while. Regardless of profession if you asked me. Good one Ray!
he made more $ on RUclips that way, also he put dielectric grease glob to fill up tube end, instead of just lubing the boot surface only, creating resistance to spark.
RE changing all the coils when one fails, I don't do that. My 2001 F150 5.4L has over 263,000 miles, and I've changed coils on three cylinders, #3, #6 and #7, a couple of them more than once, but the same cylinders. All the rest of the coils are original equipment. The last time I needed a coil, I stumbled onto an 8-pack (made in China) at Amazon for $31.99, $4.00 per coil (September 2021). I keep the box of coils in my mounted tool box in the truck bed, so I can make a quick change wherever I get a total misfire (coil won't fire at all). The failure is usually different, though. The misfire is usually sporadic on startup, then goes away, and not on every startup, just occasionally. After two or three of those I'll change the coil.
Ray will be sleeping in the dog house for that.. 😝 I think you would be a big fan of mystery science theater 3K. You have that type of warp sense of humor. Love the crazy sounds and I have started to say click 😝
speaking of repeat failures i needed 2 bearings for my front wheels on a 06 corolla its like 500$ just to press out and in at a shop so i jus bought the knuckle hub assembly new 120$ a side did them myself then i got a allignment recently for them to come out and state my left side wheel bearing is about to explode lots of play and the right side is fine had to get a new one replace it again and sent it back for my warranty atleast
I changed all 8 original coil packs on my 2001 Durango last Christmas 2022 along with new NGK plugs. I do keep a spare throttle position sensor in the glove box
Put a VCM muzzler on that grocery go getter. I've had 2 odysseys and 3 accords with v6's. Variable cylinder management causes cylinders to cool down when shut off and that causes ring issues where they stick in the piston grooves and then start burning oil and causes misfires. A muzzler trucks the ECU into thinking that the engine is too cool to turn on the VCM, causing all cyls to fire all of the time. The muzzler has the potential to reverse some of the stick rings. I put them on all my VCM engines.
I get to do this to my parents' pilot woo. Also at around ~185k miles but theirs is a 2005 I believe. Planning to do a new set of plugs and coils because it has misfires on every cylinder. These videos on wife unit's Odyssey have been helpful.
You changed the timing belt and water pump at around 105,000 miles? Valve adjustment as well. Otherwise, you're waaaaaaaaay overdue along with the spark plugs
@@ricebike I don't know, it is my parents' car and I think it was bought with around 130k miles on it. I guess I would have to assume that was not done
@@Zanthum yeah, without confirmation that it was done, you're now on borrowed time for this interference engine... If that belt snaps, bent valves or worse will happen. Another weak spot is the transmission cooler line will rust out/pop off. Check out car owner forums (wife has the Acura MDX version)
Coil packs, new doesn't always mean good. I've had brand new coils fail within 100 miles! Whilst there's definitely merit to replacing all coils at once, sometimes one will fail prematurely and in such instances there's no point on the expense of replacing all of them unless you know for sure that they're all more than due for replacement anyway. My model has a reputation for blowing coils, so should i throw a new set in I determine which coils are bad coming out, and throw the rest in a bag in the trunk as get out of trouble coils. If i run low on GOOT coils, i know I've definitely got my money's worth out of the current set, and it's probably time for a new set of plugs too 👍 To be fair, I've had a brand new set of coils in my trunk for 11 months since i last used a spare, I've been meaning to grab a set of plugs and replace the lot but I'll probably do that next time it missfires. Another thing worth doing is dating the coils when you first install them as you would a battery, it's just handy to have as a reference. Also, never startle the wife unit like that, not unless you've confirmed she isn't holding a drink first! Probably not a good idea if there's something that can be thrown within her reach either 😂
The vcm motors are known for burning oil while in low displacement mode. If you haven't disabled that it could still very well be killing plugs. Can't exactly rule them out completely
@Ram14250 "many of you" bruh I'm a Honda fan. And I'm aware it's not 100 percent. Didn't say it was a failure. But unloading the piston rings let's them flutter and will without exception burn oil. The only issue is volume and what's acceptable. Factor in the approaching 200k miles and the level of oil burn gets closer to unacceptable. Just a fact of life. For the record i am using a j35 in my 98 firebird. I know a thing or 3 about the series. No I'm not a troll you can find it on insta turbochicken313
The lawsuit includes Accord (2008-12), Odyssey (2008-13), Pilot (2009-13) and Crosstour (2010-13) models equipped with the 3.5-liter V6 with Variable Cylinder Management, which might experience engine misfire, excessive oil burning and premature spark plug fouling issues.
Had the coolant temp sensor fail 3 weeks ago on my vehicle. Replaced it then, and I'll be darned if that replacement part failed. New doesn't mean good.
May i say Lauren was not in workwear today and looking Beatiful as always , yes even new parts can fail and be replaced under warranty. good job getting here back on the road today.
That seems to be an off brand aftermarket, probably made in China... At least it had a warranty Seems Denso or NGK will be a step up if OEM isn't available
Did you get out of the car and set the camera up on a tripod so you could film yourself pushing the trash can, when you could have moved the trash can at the same time? Genius level thinking.
Could also just swap coil 3 and 4 and see if the misfire moves from cylinder 3 to 4. That way could be sure if it was indeed the coil that was faulty even before ordering a new part.
Pandemic bad parts plague? Not only supply chain issues the last couple years More bad parts But if it comes back Not likely. Oh what fun it is to do a wire harness Hope this keeps it fixed Keep ‘em coming Ray Always like see a new Rainman video
Van had a misfire at work and guess what failed on it A aftermarket coil that was the only aftermarket coil on it although it needed new plugs anyways it got all motorcraft plugs and coils after.
@@EmbraceTheSuck Make your own with liquid electrical tape. Still good at keeping the schmutz out of the hole. Cover the tip with a tiny bit of Scotch tape before covering with the liquid tape. I always think of it as a temporary fix that lasts until the next time. Have used same said liquid electrical tape to repair tears in brake caliper slider boots too. Just let the liquid tape dry and it remains flexible.
Choosing to live in a tragedy or a comedy, profound but very simple thought. Having been said angry technician in another life I can greatly appreciate this strategy.👍👊✌️
And here we have an example of the mythical 2nd video in 1 day children. Take note that we may be able to inform all those who follow that we once saw and partook of this rare happening. Now with all that said, nice to see that Ray knows and understands his place and immediately drops all other jobs so that the wife unit's vee-hick-ll may once again be restored to good order.
Back in the day us old-timers could just look at the emissions sticker or belt route sticker or any sort of sticker. The firing order was under the hood somewhere ! ? Also Iwas always singing to some tune on a 8 track player or just making my own stuff up in the shop. Customers would comment to my wife Noodles asking if i was drunk,have a seizure or just plain a little stupid ! But i had a lotta fun 😅
My boss gets angry at us because we all use Google and you tube instead of alldata because alldata never tells us what we need to know. It's good if you know 20 different ways of saying the same thing or have 2 hours to kill. I also came to the conclusion to use denso coils only. Any other brand especially house brands will fail in a short time. It sucks to remove entire intakes for a coil more than once.
I remember a few years ago, Ford had a bad batch of alternators for the Cougar released. I changed mine 16 times before my local parts people went through their inventory and ordered a different batch- So frustrating! (made me wonder why my local parts people had that many specific alternators for that car available- were they expecting a cougar rally or something?) Of course, the good thing was I only ever had to pay for the first one, but still, lots of time spent repairing something that should have been an easy fix.
I also hate repeat repairs. I had to change my battery 2017 Ford Escape. Just did it in July. You have to take off the cowl PITA . A case of the Die Hard that died easily.
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Never upset someone who has opportunity to prepare your food.
It always amazed me to hear someone giving lip to a waiter /waitress they can get revenge on you so easy......why you get the sh** next day !
Amen!
"Honor thy nookie" George Collins
Then I should've been dead long ago, the one who prepares my food is use to my antics, she's put up with me for 10 yrs now, keeps the excitement, lol
@@cedhome7945 Yeah, inexplicable the hubris in people that it doesn't even cross their mind the consequences being rude to wait staff.
Ray, you are in such a much better place now. You no longer have other people annoying you. You can now be yourself. You just continue to be you.
Ray, there's a bulletin on these that's been out for years. While failed coils are always a possibility, the more likely cause is fouled plugs from oil burning due to VCM (cylinder deactivation-ECO mode.) I know you just replaced the plugs but check the rear bank of plugs for oil fouling. If they're fouled Honda says you need to replace the rings. Replacing the plugs and disabling the VCM with a VCMTunerII will usually take care of the problem and the rings will clean up once those cylinders aren't deactivating anymore.
^^this
Eco mode would be the first thing I shut off on ANY new vehicle I buy. That shit causes more problems than it saves on gas.
Pretty sure I saw that on a Scotty Kilmer video lol don't tell Ray I said that 😂
ouch!
@@chuckgross6024 --
ECO mode? I have one available on my RAV4 Hybrid. I wonder if i should check, but I think that is what I have selected at the beginning and been using ever since... I have thought it has something to do with configuring the battery use.
"Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good" - Ray's own words.
It's a good practice to write up an invoice for your own vehicles so you know what was done and also for warranty on parts.
I have brushed up against the possibility of being OCD, I spread sheet my cars. More detail than a invoice. But the very same idea. Really helps with diagnosis time to know what's been replaced and at what year or miles.
Exactly, I have several cars and keep a log book for all repairs and maintenance. It's old fashioned, but I started doing it MANY years ago
Also, since you are a registered shop now it will help possible future owners know what maintenance has been done to the car. I'm going through that right now,since I don't know what previous owners did do (didn't do) I'm doing fluids changes and other simple maintenance to get up to date. Precautionary!
I hear ya. All my cars have an aircraft maintenance logbook.
Maybe would help with taxes also? Or maybe not.
That was the most important car on lot. When it’s the bosses car, it rises to top of food chain very quickly! Nice job
Even more importantly, it's the bosses WIFE'S car!
@@JeffDeWitt r/whoosh
One of my favorite phrases is, "If you can't laugh why get up in the morning?"
In all data and mitchell. Type in "cylinder ID" and it shows a pic of the cylinder layout. I learned that the hardway
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I've done TONS of these when I worked at Honda. There was an issue with all the 3.5 engines fouling plugs. TSB was issued to replace the piston rings on 1 2 and 3. Oil consumption issue and or misfire usually first on cylinder 3.
This is directly related to the VCM system. Use a VCM muzzler to disable the VCM system to prevent/potentially reverse that issue.
Ray, I want to say that your subtle movie references/lines do not go unnoticed!! I try to explain to my wife that I'm not the only one who does that on a daily basis! 🙃
i appreciate the fact that instead of getting out and moving the trash can ... you instead got out and set up the camera ... to record you moving the trash can with the wife unit, successfully i might add.
Ray, you are funny ! I remember that I talked like you , A father /young kids talks this way because he is always talking funny to make his kids laugh ! Great Father ,way to go Ray.......
Sharpie makes a silver color that works great for writing on black/dark things like the date installed, etc.
Unless you need it for content purposes, delete the VCM system on the Mrs. Odyssey for reliability, smoothness and longevity. I have a 2010 and a 2013 Odyssey and once they started the misfire game, I deleted the VCM system and it’s been smooth sailing for 6 years, and no oil consumption issues anymore.
Wow a Honda showing it’s true colours!
@Ray, I know youve prolly checked what Im about to say but incase you havent, heres a list I would tend to go down and keep in mind im still learning.
1. If its #3 that keeps going bad have you tried looking at the spark plug ignition cables themselves? Are they worn or damaged?
If its still continues try, it could have too high resistance or could have a gap in the middle of the conductor itself.
2. Coils, spark plugs, tracing the wires for a lose connection or bad wire, oxygen sensor, fuel injector, poor compression, burnt exst valve, low or no fuel, fuel delivery issues, vacuum leaks, carbon tracking.
3. have your wife write a list of where shes getting her gas, they may be diluting it
Could it be a faulty catalytic converter or defective computer system, maybe a leaky seal or gasket.
Either way i hope you are able to figure it out, like i said I wasnt sure if you tried all these but since it keeps happening id check. Also I dont know if Lauren checked the gaps b4 installing the spark plugs, or if you did but that could be it too. Love the videos, thank you for all your hard work.
It truly are the little things that can make it a good day. Moving the trash can without getting out. U the man Ray...
If wife sees a paint rub from trash can Woo is you !
@@phillipdewitt4454 Worse yet, if she sees the video....
External Ringer for Landline Phone.
YES!!
We need some "Doodley Doody Doo" back in our mornings please 🙏. 😊
In my lifetime I only used oem coils and sensors I newer had any recalls in todays word there are no real price difference also your no comebacks thanks ray for your content 🇺🇸👍
you know ite a comedy when you ramble and make perfect sense
I had a customer i went and did a coil on 4 times in one year for a 2012 jeep patriot. Everytime they called, it had a misfire. Everytime it was a different cylinder. I actually mentioned to them doing them all at once but they declined so i did them one at a time until all 4 were new. They live in the same environment so they will see the same failure over time like you said. Sometimes when a mechanic recomends replacing all like components, it isnt because we are trying to charge more. We know the like components will fail the same way.
Around 20 years ago I replaced the starter on my 88 ranger 4 times in One year, first two were out of the nearest major city a little over an hour away from here from autozone after the 2nd failed I refunded and purchase another starter from the closest store a local carquest 17 miles away that promptly failed after a few months so I exchanged for another, This One Worked. It was at this moment I opted to buy what has become my lucky charm and purchased a spare starter, I have had no issue with my starter since then, and have a very lovely flywheel hypnotizing paper weight to prove for it to nag at me.
Ray, I am surprised you did not replace the remaining coils. I always use Denso coils in my Honda's, I have never had one fail. As always thanks for posting the video and keep them coming. 😊
or Hitachi - Honda OEM coils.
NGK Plugs and coil is what I use in my 2011 Honda Pilot. 2019 was the last time I changed the plugs and coils.
Normally he would, but this shit always happens at the WORST possible time!!!
theyre expensive. and not exactly always the fastest delivered. but yes they are the best
@@joesmith7377 what year and model do you have that comes with Hitachi? My '05 CR-V Ex uses Denso coils as OEM. Not sure about my '01 Civic Ex, but I assumed they were the same (Until now)
I think of you as a friend. I respect people who know how to fix almost anything. I have always wished I could do the same. By the 80s, I could no longer simply tune and time a car, something that would always make me feel soo good to get done.
Do me a big favor? Please recognize a young person, someone who knows what you do, and teach them. I know, that's a big favor. They will live a strong and happy life while helping hundreds of people.
Peace and love to you Sir.
But, but, but ... Ray IS a young person!
Looking for the 10 mm socket, man's eternal condition.
The trash can "WIN" along with your silliness commentary for this non-mechanic is one of the draws, it makes your videos entertaining along with informative. I appreciate the silliness, it keeps thing FUN. 👍👍
the One Stooge Mechanic.
Ray one of the disadvantages of sideways mounted v-6’s is back cylinders access. That’s one of the many reasons that we don’t have FWD vehicles anymore, had one then got rid of it. Ray we always have ourselves a great day while watching you having yourself a great day. Ray I keep records of all of my vehicles repairs so I won’t have to wander. Ray be nice to the Wife Unit or she’ll turn into the Wicked Witch of the North😊
We had a 2013 same thing coming back from a long vacation with the kids. Same warning lights came on and it was a coil pack. Then like you said a few months later another coil. Good video brother!
You remind me of myself,the crazy sounds and goofing around 🤪.
Before i got sick,i was a mechanic and my colleagues where laughing their ....off every day 🙂.
Please don't stop being yourself buddy,love your video's
RayRay repairs Wife Unit Honda Odyssey with six times the CHARM.
When I did my Spark Plug change on February 19th, I changed out all six spark plugs only because they were driven 174,000 miles since it was previously owned by someone else. I never had a coil go out at all with these many miles. I kept all of the original Denso Coils just because they weren't misfiring and use them for Diagnostics purposes.
Test the coil resistance between the old and new one. I know your super busy, but nothing like knowing for sure your diag. is correct. Your much better than a typical parts changing mechanic.
Following along with the comments below, I just went through an engine replacement due to VCM causing ring failures. Making a 14 hour trip to Colorado, I lost compression finally and the car went into limp mode. I was able to limp it 50 miles to the next town thankfully, but the cost of doing the rings was more than I paid for an engine with 105k less miles. Turns out compression was bad on all the cylinders that were disabled by VCM. I immediately installed the S-VCM Controller to disable the VCM. Funny thing is I was showing no oil (or very very minimal) oil consumption and I do my oil changes religiously. However, I purchased the car used (only had it 2 months) so I don't know how it was treated before me. Honestly, with the VCM disabled, I get almost the same gas milage as I was getting when it was in use. I've had a number of these V6 engines and this was the first one to ever fail so I'm hoping disabling the VCM will turn it back into the quality engine it was meant to be.
I’m a knuckle dragging do it yourselfer and I keep the 7 family vehicles going. In 56 years of trying to fix stuff, an alternator swap in a Ford Edge v-6 proved hugely frustrating. It’s done but....holy cow...crazy tight confines. I used every cuss word in my vocabulary on that one. Congrats on business success and on finding a woman so willing to overlook your many shortcomings. Dave, not Eileen in Omaha
I agree that is bad, but let me introduce you to my friend over here, the SAAB 900. I think they actually believed that engine parts need never be changed, ever.
Are you keeping up with Eric Os latest engine swap? It blows my mind how complicated these newer cars are to work on. I feel for you guys who do this for a living.
About 10 years ago I went through a period of time with my Chrysler Concorde when the original coils started dying and the replacements no matter what brand, even the mopar units were all trash. Finally got a batch of Standard motor product 'BWD' made in Poland that were all good to go. The longitudinal engine on the LH cars makes working on things almost a pleasure. I could not work on V6/V8 transverse mounted engines all day long and not lose my sanity.
I like to cook and bake goodies. I am a sucker for kitchen gadgets. Are mechanics suckers for tool gadgets? BTW love watching you work Ray. I have learned so much. Now I feel more confident to question my local mechanic when he/she tells me what I need to do for my car.
A good mechanic appreciates when the customer tries to understand what is planned.
Thanks again, all the best to you and your loved ones, and don't forget to have yourself a great day too
You don't remember? The first thing to do is check the vehicle folder, be it paper or computer, to see what was done previously to the car.
Always nice to see the Wife Unit.
Eye Candy
I nearly spilt my coffee when I saw Lauren in those little 'Daisy Dukes'!!
I like your diag process. Repeat failures happen to me when the item is bolted behind 3 hours of labor to get at it.
I just went through this with a nissan versa. Replaced one against my better judgment and once back together under a load another one was missing. They all got replaced after that and it runs great.
Going down in history to pass along to many generations.....The legend of the seized Avalanche exhaust bolts.
We sent a man to the moon 50 plus years ago, but we still can not solve the rusted bolt fused to the flange problem.
And we sent a man to the moon in 1969, but only figured out wheels on luggage would really help at airports in 1971.
Humans are strange.
@@jaykellett2327 do your research on the moon landings look into all the data from the probs that were sent to the moon. Listen to all the information that was announced by NASA.
@@jaykellett2327 ---Sorry, I understand your meaning but no astronaut ever set foot on moon--all a Hollywood Stunt. A Dying Guard for NASA told his only son before he died that it was a Hollywood Scene inside a Huge Tent with Multi Tons of Sand Hauled in, he witnessed the whole Scenario...
@@jaykellett2327 never went to the moon. 💯
That's all exhaust bolts have a good day
I do the one at a time for coil failures on my own vehicles. I keep the receipt with cylinder number on the receipt. The last fail with my bug was a cyl 2 wire issue not a coil after i had picked up a new coil on my way back to my test equipment. I now have a coil waiting the #2 coil fail , that would be the fourth coil for that engine.
Deleting VCM is certainly a good idea on these J35 engines. However if you get a fouled spark plug, it’s too late as the rings are all ready stuck
VCM, is that a form of cylinder shut-down tech? If so, I'm surprised Honda ever wasted their time on it.
Cylinder shut-down was garbage when GM first released Displacement On Demand in the early 80's, and whilst GM now call it Dynamic Fuel Management, the technology is still garbage, and the ~7% improvement in fuel economy is far from worth the extra maintenance to prevent failure, and the expense of repair when the system inevitably fails.
Seriously though, I've no idea why a Japanese company would even attempt this, considering how they've been watching Americans prove how much of a joke the idea is for the past 40 years...
But back on point, if VCM is Honda's own DOD, Honda should have known better, it should be disabled ASAP, and it should never have been implemented to begin with!
Well I'm old friend said unplug the battery and it cleans out the computer and it does work
I usually replace them all. I would have compared the resistance on the new one with the old one. Just to be sure.
I have a 2002 Envoy. replaced a coil at about 150,000 miles. after another 100,000 miles the remaining five coils, still good.
Soooo much easier to replace one of the rear coils than the 2008 Sienna that I worked on recently.
I've had to do many valve adjustments on those. The exhaust valves get tight
thank you Ray an enjoyable saturday afternoon upload,nice little repair to make up for the manifold bolts drama earlier this week,,have a great weekend,👍👌
my jeep has a pressure sending issue i bought a new mopar sender and no more problem cuz i have the part in the glovebox. so sometimes keeping parts around is good
I see you’ve had the standard misfiring Honda responses. :)
While I’ve seen plenty of oil consumption issues causing the problem, I’ve also just seen bad coils on them.
12:50 This is how I get through my day as well. Making sway bar bushings all day gets boring. Have to keep myself entertained.
I remember when I was working on cars for a living and I had a day that I just decided to go back to bed it was clearly a bad day and I needed to stop and start over when I had a long bulb from the The shop lights fall on me and my toolbox leaving me with a headache and lots of tiny glass shards in the toolbox and my shirt I just turned to the other people and said I was just going back home and I locked up and left it for the next day. I mean when a eight foot bulb falls on you for no reason I had just opened up my toolbox and had the largest drawer open with all my testing equipment in it getting ready to diagnose the problem when the metal end cap hit my forehead and then it shattered on my toolbox so I decided I was going to skip the rest of the day not long after that I went back to school and became a machinist then I sold the shop building and opened up my machine shop. Okay I just thought of that when you mentioned life is a comedy or a tragedy we’re all the hero of our own story and you can laugh or cry you decide how you are going to deal with it I built a new shop much better than the one I had with floor that are level and free of cracks and then I became disabled MS sucks but I laugh at it all 😂
That mean guy is at my Lincoln dealer in WI - the Clearwater Lincoln dealer is amazing
One thing i have noticed watching these videos is the amount of mileage that are on cars in the US. Huge mileages compared with European cars.
Most European cars are dead by 150thou and selling them is harder with that mileage
2 reasons for that primarily. 1st reason is that this is a repair shop so you usually not going to see very many low mileage cars in there for repair.
2nd reason, and I save this with 0 animosity Although many Europeans make fun of Americans for not knowing much about Europe but the Size of the United States is typically astounding to many Europeans. Once you get out of the big city it is nothing to have 20 and 30 mile each way daily commute to work. Heck we have individual States that are over 700 miles wide And are the size of several European countries.
Also in these challenging economic times not everyone can drop 10 or $15000 for a replacement car every time their car goes burp.
I'm married to a very sweet lady that is from Bosnia, we drive across her country in about 6 hrs. Can't get across our state here in that time.
@@stevewhite3424 in the uk you are never more than 70 miles from the coast !! I did a cycling hol in Ireland cos it's even smaller !!
A lot of their miles are straight line driving, though long commutes are certainly normal - that's how you get your patch of land. That doesn't sound like european commuting.
MAO! One of the reasons I watch your stuff is the way you make a game out of everything. My dad did that. He could have a good time doing anything. :)
If you haven’t disabled the VCM, I highly recommend that you do so. These engines also require periodic valve adjustments.
Don't you do that (valve adjustment) when it's time for a timing belt/water pump job?
Plus 1 for checking valve lash!!
I don't think VCM is 100% failure rate like many of you like to think.
You do realize the word Honda, is the reason salvage yards exist. Get your wife a newer dependable vehicle , or kiss your work schedule goodbye. And plan on being under that hood constantly.
@@fredmartin5949 pretty sure the word you are looking for is ford.
That 3.5 V6 engine, These J series was one of their best they ever produced...
I hope the doo dee doo dee doo's are going to come back! Also, I had a coil fail on the back bank of cylinders on my 2011 Toyota Sienna and I replaced all of them because screw taking the manifold off again. Saw you working on that RX and decided I don't love the job enough to do it twice.
I used to keep a spare ballast resistor for the ignition coil for an old dodge dart I owned.
13:30 - like Chevrolet Avalanche bolts…LMAO!!!! So true, need to laugh at things once in a while. Regardless of profession if you asked me. Good one Ray!
I agree new mechanic. Replacing one coil again replace all of them. You are there do the job right.
Saved all that money buying only one coil at a time so he could do two handed brake clean shots. Way to go Ray (j/k)
he made more $ on RUclips that way, also he put dielectric grease glob to fill up tube end, instead of just lubing the boot surface only, creating resistance to spark.
Welcoming back!
I hear a low rumble pass through the crowd, whispering, might be time to consider a Company Transit Unit. (For the advertising write-off, of couse) 🚙
"We live in a world of suck, like Chevy Avalanche bolts..."
OMFG ! I shot coffee straight out my nose ! CLASSICALLY HILARIOUS! 🤣
RE changing all the coils when one fails, I don't do that. My 2001 F150 5.4L has over 263,000 miles, and I've changed coils on three cylinders, #3, #6 and #7, a couple of them more than once, but the same cylinders. All the rest of the coils are original equipment. The last time I needed a coil, I stumbled onto an 8-pack (made in China) at Amazon for $31.99, $4.00 per coil (September 2021).
I keep the box of coils in my mounted tool box in the truck bed, so I can make a quick change wherever I get a total misfire (coil won't fire at all). The failure is usually different, though. The misfire is usually sporadic on startup, then goes away, and not on every startup, just occasionally. After two or three of those I'll change the coil.
Ray will be sleeping in the dog house for that.. 😝 I think you would be a big fan of mystery science theater 3K. You have that type of warp sense of humor. Love the crazy sounds and I have started to say click 😝
OH yea.. MST3k fan here... :)
I am sure that off camera hes much worse
Buff Hugelarge, Crunch Buttsteak!
Beef run fast
Also for hitting the trash can with the wife's car.
Your in a better mood cuz you work for yourself i never felt more free than when I worked for the man
Hmmm.. in the search on the computer "Land Line phone ringer"? Are we going to get a "doodlie doo" in the near future? Lol😎👍
That would also turn him into “Angry Evil Technician “ 😅
speaking of repeat failures i needed 2 bearings for my front wheels on a 06 corolla its like 500$ just to press out and in at a shop so i jus bought the knuckle hub assembly new 120$ a side did them myself then i got a allignment recently for them to come out and state my left side wheel bearing is about to explode lots of play and the right side is fine had to get a new one replace it again and sent it back for my warranty atleast
Ray and the art of Das auto maintenance!😂🤘
@@SimrKhera it’s a joke, he says “ shutting down das auto” (the car)he knows German..
Ever heard of “ Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance “?
🙄😂
I changed all 8 original coil packs on my 2001 Durango last Christmas 2022 along with new NGK plugs. I do keep a spare throttle position sensor in the glove box
Great work....BTW...what type of light are you using for attaching to z-hood for working?
It's a Snap On...I have that exact 1 or a very similar 1...don't remember what I paid....probably too much..lol
Put a VCM muzzler on that grocery go getter. I've had 2 odysseys and 3 accords with v6's. Variable cylinder management causes cylinders to cool down when shut off and that causes ring issues where they stick in the piston grooves and then start burning oil and causes misfires. A muzzler trucks the ECU into thinking that the engine is too cool to turn on the VCM, causing all cyls to fire all of the time. The muzzler has the potential to reverse some of the stick rings. I put them on all my VCM engines.
I get to do this to my parents' pilot woo. Also at around ~185k miles but theirs is a 2005 I believe. Planning to do a new set of plugs and coils because it has misfires on every cylinder. These videos on wife unit's Odyssey have been helpful.
You changed the timing belt and water pump at around 105,000 miles? Valve adjustment as well.
Otherwise, you're waaaaaaaaay overdue along with the spark plugs
@@ricebike I don't know, it is my parents' car and I think it was bought with around 130k miles on it. I guess I would have to assume that was not done
@@Zanthum yeah, without confirmation that it was done, you're now on borrowed time for this interference engine... If that belt snaps, bent valves or worse will happen.
Another weak spot is the transmission cooler line will rust out/pop off.
Check out car owner forums (wife has the Acura MDX version)
Ray said he did NUMBER 2 !!!! Hope ya cleaned up after doing #2
How does a bad coil cause all those other codes?
Its by design, so you fix it immediately.
Coil packs, new doesn't always mean good. I've had brand new coils fail within 100 miles!
Whilst there's definitely merit to replacing all coils at once, sometimes one will fail prematurely and in such instances there's no point on the expense of replacing all of them unless you know for sure that they're all more than due for replacement anyway.
My model has a reputation for blowing coils, so should i throw a new set in I determine which coils are bad coming out, and throw the rest in a bag in the trunk as get out of trouble coils. If i run low on GOOT coils, i know I've definitely got my money's worth out of the current set, and it's probably time for a new set of plugs too 👍
To be fair, I've had a brand new set of coils in my trunk for 11 months since i last used a spare, I've been meaning to grab a set of plugs and replace the lot but I'll probably do that next time it missfires.
Another thing worth doing is dating the coils when you first install them as you would a battery, it's just handy to have as a reference.
Also, never startle the wife unit like that, not unless you've confirmed she isn't holding a drink first!
Probably not a good idea if there's something that can be thrown within her reach either 😂
The vcm motors are known for burning oil while in low displacement mode. If you haven't disabled that it could still very well be killing plugs. Can't exactly rule them out completely
Valid point but I don't think VCM is 100% failure rate like many of you like to think.
@Ram14250 "many of you" bruh I'm a Honda fan. And I'm aware it's not 100 percent. Didn't say it was a failure. But unloading the piston rings let's them flutter and will without exception burn oil. The only issue is volume and what's acceptable. Factor in the approaching 200k miles and the level of oil burn gets closer to unacceptable. Just a fact of life.
For the record i am using a j35 in my 98 firebird. I know a thing or 3 about the series.
No I'm not a troll you can find it on insta turbochicken313
The lawsuit includes Accord (2008-12), Odyssey (2008-13), Pilot (2009-13) and Crosstour (2010-13) models equipped with the 3.5-liter V6 with Variable Cylinder Management, which might experience engine misfire, excessive oil burning and premature spark plug fouling issues.
Had the coolant temp sensor fail 3 weeks ago on my vehicle. Replaced it then, and I'll be darned if that replacement part failed. New doesn't mean good.
May i say Lauren was not in workwear today and looking Beatiful as always , yes even new parts can fail and be replaced under warranty.
good job getting here back on the road today.
That seems to be an off brand aftermarket, probably made in China... At least it had a warranty
Seems Denso or NGK will be a step up if OEM isn't available
ray i had a mechanic work on my ford van and he said replace plug along with coil this was when i used it for a work truck
Did you get out of the car and set the camera up on a tripod so you could film yourself pushing the trash can, when you could have moved the trash can at the same time? Genius level thinking.
Actually had a spark plug fail on me a yr ago. Ngk too not some pos discount plug resistor no connection maybe but no through connection on anode.
I believe I remember wife unit saying she was loving the truck!
😒 🤔
She could get her revenge and buy an Avalanche. 😈
@@dotar9586 it will cause avalanche in marriage.
Quick and dirty repair. Nice.
Could also just swap coil 3 and 4 and see if the misfire moves from cylinder 3 to 4. That way could be sure if it was indeed the coil that was faulty even before ordering a new part.
good idea, I would have pulled the plug for a quick peek
u r better mechanic, he no longer has clear thinking due to Brakekleen inhalations.
Everyone is losin' in in one way or another but choosing Comedy is how we get by and survive the day. Great vid!
Pandemic bad parts plague?
Not only supply chain issues the last couple years
More bad parts
But if it comes back Not likely. Oh what fun it is to do a wire harness
Hope this keeps it fixed
Keep ‘em coming Ray
Always like see a new Rainman video
Think you mean Scamdemic.
Van had a misfire at work and guess what failed on it
A aftermarket coil that was the only aftermarket coil on it
although it needed new plugs anyways it got all motorcraft plugs and coils after.
I went looking for the rubber caps for the bleeder screws on the calipers, none to be found!
@@EmbraceTheSuck Make your own with liquid electrical tape. Still good at keeping the schmutz out of
the hole. Cover the tip with a tiny bit of Scotch tape before covering with the liquid tape. I always think of it as a temporary fix that lasts until the next time. Have used same said liquid electrical tape to repair tears in brake
caliper slider boots too. Just let the liquid tape dry and it remains flexible.
Choosing to live in a tragedy or a comedy, profound but very simple thought. Having been said angry technician in another life I can greatly appreciate this strategy.👍👊✌️
And here we have an example of the mythical 2nd video in 1 day children. Take note that we may be able to inform all those who follow that we once saw and partook of this rare happening.
Now with all that said, nice to see that Ray knows and understands his place and immediately drops all other jobs so that the wife unit's vee-hick-ll may once again be restored to good order.
Happy wife happy life maybe she didn't see you push the garbage can and I wonder who left it in the shop have a good day
Back in the day us old-timers could just look at the emissions sticker or belt route sticker or any sort of sticker. The firing order was under the hood somewhere ! ? Also Iwas always singing to some tune on a 8 track player or just making my own stuff up in the shop. Customers would comment to my wife Noodles asking if i was drunk,have a seizure or just plain a little stupid ! But i had a lotta fun 😅
First to comment on this Outstanding video Ray great work and the most important thing is to have your self a great day Ray
You did a video on it all ready wife unit actually replaced it and ordered it.
Surprised, you don’t use oem stuff on your own cars even ? Coils and sensors seem to about 40% junk aftermarket for me
Seems Denso or NGK for a Honda is a good alternative? IDK, what brand is on this van, but at least it is under warranty
he is thinking of selling it soon.
Great job RainMan. Enjoyed watching
My boss gets angry at us because we all use Google and you tube instead of alldata because alldata never tells us what we need to know. It's good if you know 20 different ways of saying the same thing or have 2 hours to kill. I also came to the conclusion to use denso coils only. Any other brand especially house brands will fail in a short time. It sucks to remove entire intakes for a coil more than once.
I remember a few years ago, Ford had a bad batch of alternators for the Cougar released. I changed mine 16 times before my local parts people went through their inventory and ordered a different batch- So frustrating! (made me wonder why my local parts people had that many specific alternators for that car available- were they expecting a cougar rally or something?) Of course, the good thing was I only ever had to pay for the first one, but still, lots of time spent repairing something that should have been an easy fix.
I went through alternator pain on my Cougar this year. Cougar alternators were time bombs.
I also hate repeat repairs. I had to change my battery 2017 Ford Escape. Just did it in July. You have to take off the cowl PITA . A case of the Die Hard that died easily.