Thank you for giving this car a proper review. There are so many reviews out there of sports cars that spend 75% of the time talking about what the car looks like and how much storage space the trunk has instead of focusing on what people really care about, which is performance. You drove this car how it should have been driven and gave it a proper review. Keep up the good work.
by far the best review i've seen of this car and easily one of the best reviews i've seen of any car. finally a reviewer who is informative but lacks the pretentiousness associated with so many other reviewers. exactly the kind of review car lovers want to see of a car: more in-car sights and sounds and less of the reviewer standing next to it naming off facts and figures we can google in seconds. i've just subscribed.
Thank you for the great review Kevin Gordon, this is what we're looking for in reviews, everything else can be seen and read off the paper. A feedback from an actual driver enthuasiast is different, and also is important.
OH, MY, GOSH! Superb review! I had an 06 coupe, which I've sadly had to part with. I always wanted the first genesis but for some reason they never imported it to the UK (something about pedestrian front bumper tests under UK law) but this. THIS is coming to the UK... SO excited. I got goosebumps when you beat the white car to the left turn and opened her up. and OMG the roundabout drift was AWESOME! please keep up these reviews!
excellent camera angles. I'm glad somebody has finally figured a way to show the driver, the cockpit, and the road. I'm so tired of car review videos that only show the ego maniac driver while they ramble on and show very little of the car. Great video.
I can't beleive your videos don't have more views, very informative. On another note, I live about 30 mins away from where you just drove in NY. I take that route to the palisades mall.
I didn't notice any grinding. Upshifts were smooth and easy to place. Downshifts were a bit more vague, but I never noticed any really tough engagements.
I'm 6'1". If you went with an r spec (no sunroof) you'll be find a good seating position and be comfortable. With the upper spec models you might find that the sunroof intrudes a bit to much on head room.
I had more video about it, but it was interrupted by nav and other drivers. (sorry about that) The 8 speed is pretty good. The only issue I had with it was the fact that it didn't appear to rev-match downshifts. Beyond that it isn't super "sporty" it shifts well and smoothly, but isn't as fast as some competitors.
I love how you have set up the review on this one, an in car, real world driving review. The track reviews are nice, but this is really what I'm looking for when checking out a car since I won't be commuting on a race track. Hope you get to review the Subaru BRZ soon. Also any chance you did a review on the 2nd Gen Mazdaspeed3 (didn't find it on your channel)?
The limited slip dif help keep power balanced on the rear wheels. An example would be accelerating out of a tight turn. With the LSD the power will get put down and you might get the rear end to play a bit. Without the LSD the inside rear wheel will just spin.
That is a tricky question. It handles quite well. It is balanced at the limit and can be provoked into throttle oversteer. Compared to BMW/Audi, the suspension doesn't have quite the damping refinement that you would normally find from the Germans, but because it has a real limited slip diff it does put down power out of corners better. Compared to Honda/Toyota.... I guess it depends on the model, but it is more enjoyable in corners than most things front wheel drive.
No MazdaSpeed3 review on the channel. We did a written one at Autosavant. I'm pushing on Toyota and Subaru to get into a BR-Z/FR-S as soon as possible. Twitter is the best way for updates @AutosavantKG
I'm 6'2" and I just got the 2013 2.0T (not r-spec). You'll be fine if you don't get the sunroof. I have at least 2" of headroom but the sunroof prevented me from sitting up straight.
I believe the car company is pronounced "hyun-DAY" but otherwise, very informative and great review. Would never have considered one in the past, but this new one looks like a great package..
Nice and informative review. Though I must say I would also like to see a review of the 2.0 Turbo, as it is both less expensive and it's ability to deliver all it's 274 torque at 2000rpm could make it an enjoyable drivers car as well for those on a bit more of a budget. Particularly given that the V6's price puts it neck and neck with a Mustang GT, and as a drivers car the Mustang tops the Genesis by a considerable margin, which can make the V6 a tough sell in that 30k price range.
The syncro's seemed pretty solid and I can report that the new engine would not be described as gutless. (If you are in the US) I want to know where you can pick up R32s for $5,000.
I think the 5.0 mustang GT will remain a desirable car in the used car market for a long time to come. Just the thought of a 420hp 6spd manual sports coupe grabs my attention. I bet there are a lot of prospective used car shoppers that feel the same. That's why I'm speculating the resale value of the Mustang will remain high and have a much flatter depreciation curve compared to the Genesis.
Cause its Hyundai like Sunday right? Question for you. Do you put the "a" sound on the end of Porsche? You are correct sir, no one in America pronounces Hyundai the way I do. I'll work on it.
you too i'm having that problem as well the track model would make track days more fun but the GT model would be better for every day use. I'm leaning towards the 3.8L GT with manual or a 2013 mustang GT.
@autosavant great video. i plan on getting the 3.8 grand touring myself. the nav sounds nice and loud. was that done through bluelink or just through the navigation feature itself?
Nice review. Could you give some more detail how the 8 speed auto felt? I am interested in getting that transmission so I can have some fun with the paddle shifters when I want to but still have the automatic do its thing when I am sitting in traffic on the way home from work.
I'm actually in a position where I'm deciding between a Mustang GT or the Gen Coupe but imo, the gen coupe is a better value. It provides power and luxury, which is something I like. Also, I don't the newer 5.0 will be some kind of instant classic. Mustangs are a dime a dozen nowadays, and I tend to see GTs all over the place. I feel like just because it's a 5.0 doesn't mean it incites the same awe as the original 5.0.
Exactly what I have been saying. If I get this car I am going to look into a body kit to make the front end look meaner, May even drill out those fake hood vents. Those are the 2 places I think they messed up on.
im mostly legs, so about 36 inseam with a bit above average torso. i flipped when i figured out they had tilt and telescoping steering wheels! im also 16.5yo and 6'4 and my dad is 6'6 so hopefully i wont grow anymore
ehh, thats true. but if you get you some strong rear aftermarket control arms and panhard bar it controls a lot of it. no more wheel hop and not as much unsteadiness over bumps
well, not really. irs has too much wheel hop for straight line stuff, and it is expensive to beef it up also. It has a lot more cons than you think. I know of 1 road that really gets it messed up where the concrete has been destroyed and patched 100x's in the corner, but past that it can actually handle most bumps pretty well. You still have to correct yourself a tad but its not that bad
Yeah I looked at the Mustang too. But for the same price with a Genesis you get a) a car that can corner a lot better and b) more features. You can upgrade the Mustang, of course, but it gets pricey.
And yet look what it can accomplish with that mere 200hp. Look what several of the other cars I mentioned have done with that much, and sometimes even less. A drivers car/sports car is just that, an intention, and build purpose, and a desire in the engineers. No one designed the BRZ to get groceries, it was meant for tracks and twisting mountain roads. And that fact, is inarguable.
It looks better with a rear spoiler. Unlike the Scion/Subaru twins, you don't have to push it all the way to the edge to get the most of what it gives.
Yeah, I've heard even from the factory, Ford has worked some kind of magic with the mustang's live axle.. But it's still like saying "He's the thinnest kid at fat camp" I just feel like it could be a much MUCH better car if it had fully independent suspension
lol...this nav system has a very easy-to-access mute button. Why not use it? As for the biggest difference between R-Spec/Track and GT trims...wouldn't the lack of brembos and the use of all-season tires be bigger factors than lack of an LSD?
actually mustangs are really cheap to mod and the aftermarket is huge. mustang v6 and gt pull like .95g stock and the gt500s pull 1.02g stock. plus my dad has full suspension and his pulls over 1.1g. I actually kind of like the g37 the most. not the fastest, but still a very quick car, nice interior etc
What does the LSD do? The R-Spec is only available in the 2.0T in Canada but there is a wide difference between the premium and the R-Spec; the former having leather, heated seats, moonroof and nav. The only appreciable difference on the R-Spec for me, is the 19" and Brembos but everything else seems trivial or a case of ignorance is bliss.
@NismoVspec2012 Ah well that sucks, still should have passed it up after seeing the 210 hp. Lol. At leasr they upgraded the engine and turbo for the 2013. In the 3 years they have eally improved the genesis line.
dang! same thing in the g37s'es ive been looking at. both very nice but i think im liking the g37. haha, i looked at the 11' 5.0 mustangs. expensive... insurance/prop tax
wouldn't the Mustang GT be a better long-term investment over the genesis? With the new 420hp 5.0 v8, I suspect the Mustang GT will be highly sought after for a long-time to come. I predict the genesis regardless of engine will fall off the map much like it has nearly done already. I don't mean to knock Hyunai, but the temptation and its lure diminishes when the price approaches $30k IMO
Realistically both on a track or real road the BRZ may well be faster than the Genesis simply on handling alone. Anywhere the Genesis can't take advantage of its power advantage over the BRZ it's extra weight and inferior handling could very well result in it being slower. It's the same attribute that kept cars like the Mustang, 3-series, 370z and other heavier cars behind machines like the S2K, Boxter, RX-8, and Z3/Z4 on the track.
I still fail to see a reason here. How does a 200hp mark make it a ricer? A light car with subdued styling and 100whp per liter, and good handling is about the polar opposite of what anyone would consider a ricer. If it's just in straight line speed then consider the BRZ has been shown to be barely half a second slower than the V-6 Genesis coupe. If you're going to call it a ricer then could you at least explain HOW it qualifies as such reasonably?
You can't just go by the numbers developed on a perfectly flat skidpad.. Because in the real world (with it's uneven sections, broken pavement, bumps and whatnot) a solid rear axle will fall well short of a Fully independent setup.
any car that canbreak traction is worthy of being called a spirts car. the miata has been long considered a drivers car. the gen i test drove once and it is nice but heavy... an echo can be a sports car ifyou firm up the suspension and more hp.. its like and tight.
-_- Referring to something that is a legitimate driver's car is in itself offensive. Another thing to consider is that however 'weak' such cars may be, many of them still performed better than cars far more powerful. The S2K's dominance in it's time in particular comes to mind. Further more your pairing of lighter with weak, as if being light is a bad thing is puzzling to say the least. Also, not considering the Genesis a ricer if you're basing the term on location alone is odd as it's Korean...
Thank you for giving this car a proper review. There are so many reviews out there of sports cars that spend 75% of the time talking about what the car looks like and how much storage space the trunk has instead of focusing on what people really care about, which is performance. You drove this car how it should have been driven and gave it a proper review. Keep up the good work.
by far the best review i've seen of this car and easily one of the best reviews i've seen of any car. finally a reviewer who is informative but lacks the pretentiousness associated with so many other reviewers. exactly the kind of review car lovers want to see of a car: more in-car sights and sounds and less of the reviewer standing next to it naming off facts and figures we can google in seconds. i've just subscribed.
Fantastic review.. the best I've seen of ANY car review! The camera view in the cabin is fantastic for getting a sense of the sounds/actual drive..
I love this car. I'm currently in the process of getting a white 2013 3.8l Track edition with manual transmission! Great video.
Thank you for the great review Kevin Gordon, this is what we're looking for in reviews, everything else can be seen and read off the paper. A feedback from an actual driver enthuasiast is different, and also is important.
OH, MY, GOSH! Superb review! I had an 06 coupe, which I've sadly had to part with. I always wanted the first genesis but for some reason they never imported it to the UK (something about pedestrian front bumper tests under UK law) but this. THIS is coming to the UK... SO excited. I got goosebumps when you beat the white car to the left turn and opened her up. and OMG the roundabout drift was AWESOME! please keep up these reviews!
excellent camera angles. I'm glad somebody has finally figured a way to show the driver, the cockpit, and the road. I'm so tired of car review videos that only show the ego maniac driver while they ramble on and show very little of the car. Great video.
Excellent video because it focuses on driving the car, which is what I'm looking for when I watch a review video.
I can't beleive your videos don't have more views, very informative. On another note, I live about 30 mins away from where you just drove in NY. I take that route to the palisades mall.
"Lets try to get arrested" - When you hear those words in a car review you know it's a damn good review.
Thanks! From your comment I'm actually going to spoof the standard "stand next to the car" review next time.
I didn't notice any grinding. Upshifts were smooth and easy to place. Downshifts were a bit more vague, but I never noticed any really tough engagements.
I'm 6'1". If you went with an r spec (no sunroof) you'll be find a good seating position and be comfortable. With the upper spec models you might find that the sunroof intrudes a bit to much on head room.
great review Kevin thanks for sharing it here...
I had more video about it, but it was interrupted by nav and other drivers. (sorry about that) The 8 speed is pretty good. The only issue I had with it was the fact that it didn't appear to rev-match downshifts. Beyond that it isn't super "sporty" it shifts well and smoothly, but isn't as fast as some competitors.
This was a good comment and question. The sound levels on the highway are quiet. It would make a good long trip/high speed commuter.
I love how you have set up the review on this one, an in car, real world driving review. The track reviews are nice, but this is really what I'm looking for when checking out a car since I won't be commuting on a race track. Hope you get to review the Subaru BRZ soon. Also any chance you did a review on the 2nd Gen Mazdaspeed3 (didn't find it on your channel)?
The limited slip dif help keep power balanced on the rear wheels. An example would be accelerating out of a tight turn. With the LSD the power will get put down and you might get the rear end to play a bit. Without the LSD the inside rear wheel will just spin.
I would go R-Spec if you can only move up to the GT. That rear diff is a must.
It is. It is the only leather option for that exterior color (which I forget).
That is a tricky question. It handles quite well. It is balanced at the limit and can be provoked into throttle oversteer. Compared to BMW/Audi, the suspension doesn't have quite the damping refinement that you would normally find from the Germans, but because it has a real limited slip diff it does put down power out of corners better. Compared to Honda/Toyota.... I guess it depends on the model, but it is more enjoyable in corners than most things front wheel drive.
No MazdaSpeed3 review on the channel. We did a written one at Autosavant. I'm pushing on Toyota and Subaru to get into a BR-Z/FR-S as soon as possible. Twitter is the best way for updates @AutosavantKG
@gorlak375 - appreciate it. We have not had our channel all that long, but things appear to be growing nicely.
I think hyundai is improving in leaps and bounds. This genesis looks good and performs well. I want one after seeing this review
I'm working on getting some time in the 2.0T. Stay tuned.
best review i have ever seen of this car A+++++++ thank you
finally someone who knows how to drive this car
Yup, a third-party bumper, grille, headlights and hood are must-have items for this...
The grand tourings, at least in the US are automatic only if my memory serves. You'd need to go r-spec or track to get a manual option.
I LOVE THIS CAR.
It isn't a bad point, but when equipped comparably, the Gen Coupe is priced like a V6 mustang not a GT. I suppose it depends on preference.
I'm 6'2" and I just got the 2013 2.0T (not r-spec). You'll be fine if you don't get the sunroof. I have at least 2" of headroom but the sunroof prevented me from sitting up straight.
It does look good. A bit more upscale than what you might expect.
I believe the car company is pronounced "hyun-DAY" but otherwise, very informative and great review. Would never have considered one in the past, but this new one looks like a great package..
Nice and informative review. Though I must say I would also like to see a review of the 2.0 Turbo, as it is both less expensive and it's ability to deliver all it's 274 torque at 2000rpm could make it an enjoyable drivers car as well for those on a bit more of a budget. Particularly given that the V6's price puts it neck and neck with a Mustang GT, and as a drivers car the Mustang tops the Genesis by a considerable margin, which can make the V6 a tough sell in that 30k price range.
The syncro's seemed pretty solid and I can report that the new engine would not be described as gutless. (If you are in the US) I want to know where you can pick up R32s for $5,000.
I love how he does his tests on public roads lol
I think the 5.0 mustang GT will remain a desirable car in the used car market for a long time to come. Just the thought of a 420hp 6spd manual sports coupe grabs my attention. I bet there are a lot of prospective used car shoppers that feel the same. That's why I'm speculating the resale value of the Mustang will remain high and have a much flatter depreciation curve compared to the Genesis.
Cause its Hyundai like Sunday right? Question for you. Do you put the "a" sound on the end of Porsche? You are correct sir, no one in America pronounces Hyundai the way I do. I'll work on it.
you too i'm having that problem as well the track model would make track days more fun but the GT model would be better for every day use. I'm leaning towards the 3.8L GT with manual or a 2013 mustang GT.
thanks for posting this excellent review.
@autosavant great video. i plan on getting the 3.8 grand touring myself. the nav sounds nice and loud. was that done through bluelink or just through the navigation feature itself?
Nice review. I'm split on either the grand touring or track model.
Did you notice any grinding in the gears on the manual. The previous version had grinding in 5th.
i would be more than happy if you reviewed the 2.0t, since i just purchased one i would love to hear from someone with higher knowledge than me :)
@autosavant thanks for the heads up. i definitely will be trading in my old 06 tiburon gt for the genesis 2013 gt
Nice review. Could you give some more detail how the 8 speed auto felt? I am interested in getting that transmission so I can have some fun with the paddle shifters when I want to but still have the automatic do its thing when I am sitting in traffic on the way home from work.
sounds amazing.
awesome :) i think it looks better than the normal grey/black. Looks more luxurious, what do you think?
I enjoyed this review, did it from a drivers perspective. Curious about the 2.0T though.
Thanks!
I'm actually in a position where I'm deciding between a Mustang GT or the Gen Coupe but imo, the gen coupe is a better value. It provides power and luxury, which is something I like.
Also, I don't the newer 5.0 will be some kind of instant classic. Mustangs are a dime a dozen nowadays, and I tend to see GTs all over the place. I feel like just because it's a 5.0 doesn't mean it incites the same awe as the original 5.0.
Exactly what I have been saying. If I get this car I am going to look into a body kit to make the front end look meaner, May even drill out those fake hood vents. Those are the 2 places I think they messed up on.
im mostly legs, so about 36 inseam with a bit above average torso. i flipped when i figured out they had tilt and telescoping steering wheels! im also 16.5yo and 6'4 and my dad is 6'6 so hopefully i wont grow anymore
that 200hp can be changed easily with the addition of a turbo. The potential is great for this car
ehh, thats true. but if you get you some strong rear aftermarket control arms and panhard bar it controls a lot of it. no more wheel hop and not as much unsteadiness over bumps
08:15 AWESOMENESS!
PLEASE DO A FIRST DRIVE REVIEW OF THE SUBARU BRZ AND COMPARE WITH THE HYUNDAI GENESIS!
well, not really. irs has too much wheel hop for straight line stuff, and it is expensive to beef it up also. It has a lot more cons than you think. I know of 1 road that really gets it messed up where the concrete has been destroyed and patched 100x's in the corner, but past that it can actually handle most bumps pretty well. You still have to correct yourself a tad but its not that bad
Also, the most expensive of the first gens (3.8 Track) were less than 33,000 brand new. Maybe you meant 26,000 because that's how much the 2.0T cost.
Yeah I looked at the Mustang too. But for the same price with a Genesis you get a) a car that can corner a lot better and b) more features. You can upgrade the Mustang, of course, but it gets pricey.
And yet look what it can accomplish with that mere 200hp. Look what several of the other cars I mentioned have done with that much, and sometimes even less. A drivers car/sports car is just that, an intention, and build purpose, and a desire in the engineers. No one designed the BRZ to get groceries, it was meant for tracks and twisting mountain roads. And that fact, is inarguable.
wow what a good review.
It looks better with a rear spoiler. Unlike the Scion/Subaru twins, you don't have to push it all the way to the edge to get the most of what it gives.
It does have stick standard, auto is an option you have to pay for
bliglum - we'll have a Mustang GT to test in 2 weeks. Anything specific you'd like to see to prove that an IRS would be better?
We have not driven the BRZ yet so I will hold off on answering.
Yeah, I've heard even from the factory, Ford has worked some kind of magic with the mustang's live axle.. But it's still like saying "He's the thinnest kid at fat camp" I just feel like it could be a much MUCH better car if it had fully independent suspension
lol...this nav system has a very easy-to-access mute button. Why not use it?
As for the biggest difference between R-Spec/Track and GT trims...wouldn't the lack of brembos and the use of all-season tires be bigger factors than lack of an LSD?
I love my 3.8 gt
Pretty Sweet Car !!!!!!
actually mustangs are really cheap to mod and the aftermarket is huge. mustang v6 and gt pull like .95g stock and the gt500s pull 1.02g stock. plus my dad has full suspension and his pulls over 1.1g. I actually kind of like the g37 the most. not the fastest, but still a very quick car, nice interior etc
What does the LSD do? The R-Spec is only available in the 2.0T in Canada but there is a wide difference between the premium and the R-Spec; the former having leather, heated seats, moonroof and nav. The only appreciable difference on the R-Spec for me, is the 19" and Brembos but everything else seems trivial or a case of ignorance is bliss.
Thanks =)
If you have the cash go for the track model. For what you get you couldn't come close in the aftermarket for the cost.
@NismoVspec2012 Ah well that sucks, still should have passed it up after seeing the 210 hp. Lol. At leasr they upgraded the engine and turbo for the 2013. In the 3 years they have eally improved the genesis line.
You can actually get them for less than 3k in Japan. Hell, ive seen some posted for less than 1500
how tall are you? turning 16 and im trying to get a 2013 2.0t r spec. im 6'4 and want to know if i would fit with my seat in a comfortable position
is that the tan interior in the grand touring model?
I hate the front design, but overall this is very nice car. I like the sound of its engine.
dang! same thing in the g37s'es ive been looking at. both very nice but i think im liking the g37. haha, i looked at the 11' 5.0 mustangs. expensive... insurance/prop tax
How is the handling (compare to a BMW/AUDI and a HONDA/TOYOTA please)
i like this review but yeah, maybe test drive in closed circuits. i know its expensive but far more safe :)
Is the GT worth the extra $4k, or just save it and get the base 3.8??
wouldn't the Mustang GT be a better long-term investment over the genesis? With the new 420hp 5.0 v8, I suspect the Mustang GT will be highly sought after for a long-time to come. I predict the genesis regardless of engine will fall off the map much like it has nearly done already.
I don't mean to knock Hyunai, but the temptation and its lure diminishes when the price approaches $30k IMO
I want one
yup shuda saved for 3.8 version
Realistically both on a track or real road the BRZ may well be faster than the Genesis simply on handling alone. Anywhere the Genesis can't take advantage of its power advantage over the BRZ it's extra weight and inferior handling could very well result in it being slower. It's the same attribute that kept cars like the Mustang, 3-series, 370z and other heavier cars behind machines like the S2K, Boxter, RX-8, and Z3/Z4 on the track.
are you driving in upstate NY?
So my 2011 Genesis Coupe 2.0T with 210 HP is a ricer car?
I still fail to see a reason here. How does a 200hp mark make it a ricer? A light car with subdued styling and 100whp per liter, and good handling is about the polar opposite of what anyone would consider a ricer. If it's just in straight line speed then consider the BRZ has been shown to be barely half a second slower than the V-6 Genesis coupe. If you're going to call it a ricer then could you at least explain HOW it qualifies as such reasonably?
You can't just go by the numbers developed on a perfectly flat skidpad.. Because in the real world (with it's uneven sections, broken pavement, bumps and whatnot) a solid rear axle will fall well short of a Fully independent setup.
That was just Nav. It works well.
probably because most people want the V6 I would assume
possibly...
Throttle bodies on direct injection?
any car that canbreak traction is worthy of being called a spirts car. the miata has been long considered a drivers car. the gen i test drove once and it is nice but heavy... an echo can be a sports car ifyou firm up the suspension and more hp.. its like and tight.
-_- Referring to something that is a legitimate driver's car is in itself offensive. Another thing to consider is that however 'weak' such cars may be, many of them still performed better than cars far more powerful. The S2K's dominance in it's time in particular comes to mind. Further more your pairing of lighter with weak, as if being light is a bad thing is puzzling to say the least. Also, not considering the Genesis a ricer if you're basing the term on location alone is odd as it's Korean...
I always thought it was "Hi-Un-Day".. but I say it the way I've heard it most which is just "Hyunday"
take it to the track...