FRS (GT86, BRZ) vs Genesis Coupe vs Lotus Elise - Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip Review
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Pacific Coast Highway is a great road most people will experience in a bad car. So the guys took the Scion FRS on a roadtrip and brought along a Hyundai Genesis Coupe and Lotus Elise for comparison.
After dodging RVs and Tourists they even found time to pick favorites.
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I have my genesis coupe 2013 2.0t and I love it
Until you drive a Lotus, then you'll be instantly addicted and want one more than anything else :D
Mister Nobody Eh not really, not practical enough. Maybe as a 2nd or 3rd car probably.
Just got the same car 2 days ago🤘🏽
@Ed Findlay definitely the genesis are neck breakers lol
@@Crxndxn I have had mine over a year now... Best choice I've ever made
I really love these guys. Excellent reviewers, fair and honest reviews. I think any real car enthusiast would never say "oh this car sucks" or "who would ever get this piece of crap." I've read so many negative comments about all of these cars- at the end of the day, a real car enthusiast understands that every car has positives and negatives. Take what you like most about driving and get the car that suits YOU the best way. But one car is not necessarily 100% better than the other. Just enjoy driving what you like to drive. It's like saying "potatoes are better than art." It just doesn't make sense to say one car in a certain class is "better in every way" than another.
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I can't help feel that they completely ignored the Hyundai genesis. They talked a lot more about the lotus and the FR-S and the their aspects.
Julio Cesar because the frs is 99999999999999999x better
Julio Cesar and the stupid 2.0t right?
Hayden Battaglia ur...dumb
@@jdhanley310 Unlike the FRS, that stupid 2.0T now pushes 275 hp from factory, over the 210 from the previous gen [shown in video].
Yemze Pfft even with only 210hp the 2.0T is still a superior engine to that trash ass FA20. 223lb-ft vs that dog shit 150lb-ft. The 0-60 alone tells the story.
I´m a owner of a 2014 Genesis Coupe V6 3.8 and i use it as my everyday car.
I tested the brz and i love the way it can circle around corners. but: the lack of power :/
and it realy fails as a everyday car.. no backseats and no trunk!
The Genesis is a fun 2 drive everyday car, the sound of the V6, nice seats and a usefull trunk.
The Lotus is a toycar. Much fun 2 drive but u are happy if u don´t have 2.
btw. realy nice road!
greetings from Germany
+kcopy I don't really get why people complain about the trunk in the FRS. What the hell do ppl put in it? lol. Dead bodies? I just went to the grocery store and put $250 in groceries into my FRS trunk. Not even exaggerating. And i didn't even fold down the rear seats. I have had the car for over a year and not once had issues with a lack of trunk space. The rear seats in a genesis are bigger but not by much. I still wouldn't want to be carrying around passengers in a genesis. The small back seats in an FRS are a plus IMO. Because i can fit 4 ppl in my car if i really need to ( i have done it a few times), but its also a great excuse to not be a chauffeur to everyone.
i travel a lot.
so the trunk is needed ..
especially if u have ur girlfriend with u
kcopy fair enough. i admit if you have a passenger and travel away for a few days or week you are really pushing the limits of cargo space in an FRS.
No one gives a damn if your from Germany
how can you complain about no backseats and no trunk space? how many coupes can fit a set of tires or even a mountain bike? not a lot but the frs is definitely a coupe that can
im 6'7" and dont fit in the BRZ/FR-S so i got the Genesis coupe 3.8 V6.
Same I felt cramped in the frs. Love my genesis. I photograph a ton of cars and drive a lot of different cars for the money I love my 3.8 genesis coupe
Just wanted to thank you guys for making such a thorough and informative review! I've watched this at least five times now which has lead me to purchase a Scion FR-S this week. Thanks for guiding me to the car I wanted so I can truly have fun on the road!
Austin - Thanks for saying this, we're very pleased to hear our work was helpful in your decision! The FR-S is a very fun car (Have you seen our S2000 vs FRS vs RX8 review?) and we hope you enjoy it for a long time. Glad to have you as a viewer, and you might also enjoy our audio Podcast "The Car Debate". Thanks very much for watching and taking the time to comment about your car.
I’ve owned a 2020 BRZ for over half a year now, I can’t help but fall in love with it daily. Seriously I’m still watching videos on the car, that should say it all. Best car purchase I’ve ever made, one day I’ll get it supercharged (after the warranty)
The Genesis seemed out of place in this comparison. Much would've rather seen an MX-5.
You're absolutely right, I think the Genesis is out of place in this review because its more gt car than sports car the mx5 is a sports car. The Genesis is a great gt car not a great sports car
TheRealDrtball finally someone who understands what the genesis represents!
and have lots of power on the track and for racing :p
I feel differently, the Lotus is out of place, as the other two cars are 2+2 'sporty' cars. The BRZ limited, while maybe not on par with the genesis, is not nearly as 'limited' in its interior quality and design as the FRS. I find the guage cluster more classy, the leather trim, etc makes it a much nicer overall feel and maybe you'd feel the distinction between the two a bit less severe. Just like in the other review with the FRS, RX8, and an S2000; they are throwing 2 seaters in, and for me, it seems out of place. 2 seaters I feel are a different market, and a miata/S2000/Lotus or any other 2 seater needs to be compared against each other to be a better, realistic comparison.
Still like their videos though :)
@@zeropeorthkuromurasaki1130 I agree hardly any lotus on the roads in comparison to the other two and the size alone threw me off.
I test drove both the FRS amd the genesis coupe. While the hyundai had more get up, I felt more comfortable in the scion. Living in a mid populated city with traffic amd commuting, the frs is in my near future. Thanks for sealing the deal fellas!
I am curious in what way the FRS was more comfortable? I had the opposite experience.
Nice to see another review showcasting the Elise. Since now 13 years there's no other car I'd desire more to own than the Lotus if I wouldn't already own one. What a magnificent driver's car of a time to vanish soon.
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I would have to say I would go with the Genesis, even though I don't like the look of the current gen. I liked the first generation a lot better. I am definitely biased though. How was the better interior not part of their decision for a better every day driver? I am assuming the version of the genesis that they tested was not the track version, but I might be wrong. Either way RWD car and a decent amount of HP is not a good combo for a daily driver in the midwest. At least not during winter
I know I'm very late but it was an r-spec, not the track. I have a first gen 2.0t track w/manual and love it.
One of the best shot video I have seen on RUclips in a long time. Thanks guys for putting the effort into it.
Favorite line: "...they feel like lawn furniture wrapped in Band-aids"
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well I made my choice.... I took my brz on that road this summer and it's one of tge best experiences of my life
wait where u going to find a lotus for 20k sign me up
Amazing review guys! I've been watching every single video on the brz/frs twins on your channel. You guys have some of the best reviews on cars, very honest reviews!!! Subscribed :D
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If the FR S drives so good with Prius tires, I can only imagine how good it'll be with Dunlop sport tires or some Pirelli sport tires.
Yeah, the subaru brz has better tires on it. Nothing too fancy but still.
Riley Osborne oh did they make the brz with a better stereo I hear the STI has a H/K stereo.
juan tafoya Nah same stereo different splash screen. Well the brz does have the premium stereo by pioneer with bespoke.
The FRS radio sounds better than the BRZs system. From new the BRZ Navigation was slow and inaccurate. Subaru did a firmware, maps and antenna upgrade that improved the Nav 1000%. Still the FRS has a better sounding system.
dunlop zii makes frs perfect.
3.8 all the way with the Gen Coupe. Do another review.
Against Crawford BRZ? :)
not at this point....
+alex buentello Only for straight line guys. Not for canyons
i dust the 3.8 with under 1k spent on mods lol
kkingss4 what exact mods do you have? :)
A lot of persons on the web want a turbo for the FRS/GT86/BRZ.. but I really believe this wouldn't be the answer. Before of that, It would be better to introduce a 2.5 engine. If the same power/liter ratio is respected, they will be around 250 horsepower under the bonnet, and the torque will just be bettered as well.
In my opinion, a turbo will harm the direct feeling of the gas, that is one of the great things about the Toybaru's.
if its based on the Subaru boxer engine. what about putting sti engine in it 2.5 with turbo
Not only that, the sti engine is actually heavy, it would disturb the great balance a bit
it cant be that much difference and if your doing that u add full adjustable suspension and balance it all back up and its alot cheaper then a super charger
christopher johnson True, Idk if someone has done this already but I can't wait to see that
Juan Salvattore put a couple super models in the back seats
I test drove the FRS and the Genesis coupe. I preferred the Coupe by far. The FRS was just way too uncomfortable for me.
+Alexandre Boucher Disclamer: I've never driven Genesis. FRS/BRZ (I've never driven an FRS as well but I own a BRZ) is not designed to be very comfortable, it's comfortable enough (although for me it feels very comfortable, the seats just hug you and let you corner at any speed without falling out of the seat). You would only buy a FRS/BRZ if you want a cheap sportscar that is fun to drive and makes you very happy and I've never regretted getting my BRZ. Also, you just can't beat Japanese reliability. It's just an amazing car all around. And if you're into modifying FRS/BRZ are very modifying friendly. For me my BRZ is currently too soft though, gotta get some coilovers with stiffer springs :)
Malkhaz "Jayela" Jakelli That's weird, I thought it was very stiff. I said it was uncomfortable because the seat was hard as a rock and every little bump felt like a broken bone. The car I was looking for was gonna be a daily driver, so the BRZ jut wasn't an option. I don't really modify my car either, so that's not a problem haha
+Alexandre Boucher the seats are sporty, a bit stiff maybe but i can seat in them day and night without getting out i like them so much. my BRZ is a daily driver. by soft i meant suspension :) another thing, might be irrelevant to you, is i do some autocross, i've seen a lot of FRSs and BRZs but never seen a Genesis there :) for anyone who likes driving (i mean who can appreciate handling and all the fun a car can offer) BRZ/FRS is the best budget car in my opinion :)
+Alexandre Boucher Interesting! It is funny how everyone has a different feel in different cars. I am 6'2" 215lbs and my first car of choice was the Genesis ...until I test drove it. For me, the seats were immediately uncomfortable and when I drove it, I could feel every bit of the road as it drove like a brick. When I test drove the FR-S, the seats were so much more comfortable and I did not feel the road like I did with the Genesis. The other bad part that irk'ed me about the Genesis... the faux air intakes. Really...? Anyway, it is interesting to see - and know - that everyone's perception of comfort and body style are different. Glad that you enjoy your Coupe and hope that you enjoy it for many years!
AlLou ToyReview That's funny indeed! For me, everything about the Genesis felt more comfortable and expensive. the FR-S just felt so cheap. Maybe it was the model I tested, maybe they changed that I don't know. I hope you enjoy your FR-S for a long time too!
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I've had my FRS for 18 months now. I've put over 50k on it driving from central KY to Fort Knox and Louisville the whole time. I spend 3 hours on the twisties of central KY every work day and LOVE it. these roads are so well maintained I'm kinda surprised (45 years in Seattle before this). And when my factory tires came to the end of their life, I moved up to "sport" tires. It completely changed the car's personality. It's like driving a race car to work every day. And I've avoided a LOT of deer. Some by inches. Literally. I completely agree with what they say about the handling, but it's plenty of power for me. And with the six speed manual, when hypermiling, I was able to average 39mpg for several tanks.
BTW, the tires I got were Bridgestone Potenza RE11A's. The only thing frustrating about them is I don't get to drift as much. Too sticky.
The FRS is an awesome car, isn't it. I sold my RSX-S to put down for a 2015 FRS and man! what a difference. I really love it.
A lot of people like to bash on the FRS for being "slow".. And while I'm surprised they're not offering a more powerful super / turbo charged engine, I don't think it was ever slow by any means... In fact, it's numbers are right in line with comparably priced compact sport coupes and hot hatches like Civic SI, VW GTI, etc.. 200hp, 0-60 in about 6 seconds.. Along with comparable 30 or so mpg, back seat, everyday usability..
Yet, people compare it to much larger, heavier, midsize RWDrivers like Mustang V6/ecoboost and Genesis coupe, because there is no equal to the FRS.. These people only see the extra hp, and fail to notice that they also weigh 3,500lbs+, some 700LBS more!! The only RWD cars close, (Miata, used S2K's) are much less practical. So, for my money, the GT86 is the best of both worlds. That's why I'm currently saving to get my FRZ : )
bliglum I've never needed a car more than i need the BRZ. It hurts my soul every day that I cant afford one. I will be getting one as soon as I can after I graduate and get a good job!
Jeff Roller Same here. Looking at an FRS right now!!!
bliglum very jealous!
Genesis coupe! Has power, stylish, easy to mod, better interior, leg room. And a 10 year warranty. What else ?
The other ones are truly sports cars and you can feel it
Everyone knows that, but not everyone WANTS a true sports car as their only car.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector
Mine works perfect like everyday car.
I just come back from a 7110 Km trip around states. Even you can sleep inside it
@@GastonMaqueda Which car?
@@80s_Boombox_Collector
The BRZ/86
I love it
No disrespect but this kind of reminds of me that one scene in Tokyo drift, “The red Evo is yours. You think I’m gonna let you roll around in a Hundai??” LOL 😂
Funny note: I'm buying a '17 Toyota 86 later this year (after I finish closing on my house), and am in the process of planning a Pacific Coast Highway road trip from Portland all the way to LA afterwards.
This review helped solidify that fact, and reminded me just how gorgeous and fun the road is to drive down, and I'm looking forward to the trip more than anything else in the near future right now. Thank you for the hard work.
FR-S was purposely built to be a good light weight sports car/ tuner car, just like its Grandpa the Toyota Corolla GTS Twin Cam/Levin/Trueno GTS. Since it's target customer is a Tuner enthusiast, research, beef up the engine, turbo or supercharger it yourself and quit whining. The Lotus is a exotic sports/roadster car enough said. The Genesis is sports car made by Hyundai, so good first attempt. First attempt defined: Toyota: Supra TT, Trueno, MR2(not so Ironically Lotus like), and has been all sports cars for a long time.
Only the tuner market is not NEARLY as strong as it once was. The market has still not recovered from the 08 crash, unless you know how to play the stock market really well. Salaries are still down. I'd love to see for the 2gen cars, 110hp per litter, 2500 curb weight, and performance tires. I think this car would be more fun left NA. Turbo's kicking in can get away from a unsuspecting driving going around corners and they loose power on hot days (really dependent on the size of the inter-cooler). A SCer could be fun for sure and if the BRZ/FRS ever gets forced induction from the factory, I hope they choose a SCer.
Thank you for saying this. FRS was definitely meant to be a blank canvas, platform for tuners. They even made the exhaust tip cutouts quite a bit larger than the stock tips. And just look at it. Is so simple but in the most beautiful way.
Great review. I would go with the Elise. But Todd is right if it had 250 horsepower I would take it
This is by far the Benchmark of automobile videoblog journalist program on this tube. Practical and detailed comments with everyday driver in mind. I shall do the PCH 1 again but not in a red Hertz 2012 Camry!
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I'm in love with my BRZ
i love the lotus....... i think i saw my first 1 in 1974. i will own 1 before this life is done.
me too
We did this route last December on our 22 day road trip from DC to San Francisco and back. The only thing is we did it in a Momma Wagon (Grand Caravan) but now I am a proud owner of the FR-S and will do this route once again. Loved the review guys, no useless verbiage just good content.
Great question! In this case, both are true. The FRS/BRZ is light-weight and rotates very easily with a controllable weight shift... so that makes it a lot of fun on a canyon road. That also makes it easy to over-rotate if you so choose and the same control-ability simplifies guiding it in oversteer. It's informative in both. Better tires would make it even better in corners but lose some drift-ability as it lacks the power to overwhelm good rubber - like an AMG can for example. Does that help?
Funny at 4:17 the way the guy is hiding in the Genesys.. you can barely see his head .. but he's there ;)
Dead😂
+J-F B (RainZ) LMAO! Head was too big
lol
Comparing a $50K Lotus to a $25K Genesis just isn't reasonable. Allow $20K in upgrades to the Genesis...then let's talk!
it still won't handle better than the lotus that car is made for handling years and years of research has gone into the lotusee chassis
As mentioned in the video, the Lotus was $28k. I got mine for a bit over $32k and is 10 years old with touring and sport packages
i've taken a ride in a lotus before and i LOVED it. i'll take one any day
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@ 4:21 - Did you saw ghost head inside car? If noticed,thumbs up! :)
Its not a ghost head its the top of the 2 seats
It looks like someone was on the other side of the car
Now in the real world I'd take the Gen. These are America road with America traffic. Merging on and off the interstates. These test appeal to driving in a fantasy. Open road with corners without cars....Of course these handle well but the reality we are from work to home with very little inspiring driving especially with a Prius, SUV, minivan in front of us. The majority of folks are needing the surge of speed on real roads so HP will win this.
You may feel our work is redundant, but many others found this piece both unique and informative even after seeing other FRS/GC comparisons. We focus on helping people find cars that are affordable and fun on a great road. We know that isn't for everyone. But you mentioned you learned things in this as well. There will always be things we don't discuss and we'll never please everyone. You are welcome to make your own car show and focus on other items. Many thanks for watching and commenting!
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Lotus? Dark green or gtfo
RVs should be illegal on some roads like this one.
THANK YOU!!!! 100000% AGREE!
Couldn't agree more. I bought an FR-S last spring as my only car and have loved every single day since. I was concerned about power, but took the plunge. Not an issue. I agree with Todd, 240hp/200lb/ft of torque is exactly the right number, but the issue is that it would then need better tires, bigger brakes, beefier bits throughout, so much more than just a turbo, and it'll be like 35k. It'd be a monster, but not sure if it'd be "better" for so much more coin.
Spot on.
My Genesis sucks in the snow and you are probably in the same spot. 2 cars pending are mandatory. Next time I will opt for the WRX and have the best of everything.
I don't see the WRX as the best of everything, actually. I see it as the jack of all trades, master of none (aside from dirt) kinda deal. They're GREAT cars and I almost bought one a few times, but I think you can't have the most of anything without losing some areas of expertise.
Also, I honestly don't have much trouble with the FR-S in the snow (Chicago), it's light, has great balance and is responsive in every input. Aside from taking off in an inch or more from a stand-still (which is a bit tricky), the car is actually pretty good in the winter. Not AWD rally-good, but far from bad.
Plus, since I made that original comment, I auto-x'd side to side from a supercharged FR-S. It was great, but the owner had TONS of cash in suspension, brakes, tires, etc. Felt like a totally different car, honestly and furthering my point that just tossing a factory turbo/SC on it and charging 3 grand more is absolutely not possible, and isn't going to happen.
Well said. Finally an intelligent rebuttal.
good choice on the 3.8. I personally love the 2.0t because of the turbo and how much fun it is but if they had the 3.8 in this video both guys wouldve have been going on about it over the lotus and frs.
I own an FRS -- drive it everyday -- what fun ! It is just that simple :)
There are lots of cars that have bigger engines, cost more money but if you want to smile every time you get behind the wheel of your car -- buy yourself an FRS !
Lotus all day
I drove up PCH in my lifted Dodge Ram Cummins and I've never been so tired and entertained.
This review was great. This is how reviews should be. This example right here. No previous videos taken into account but this video right here.
LOTUS! 😀
idk why you guys always review the newer Genesis in the turbo everyone knows even Genesis owners the Turbo is terrible and its why they removed it from the newer years because it not only had Rev hang issues and was noisey and just plain annoying. Also Stop driving manuals theyve said it and Genesis owners have said it the Manual in the Coupe is awful. The 8 speed Auto has slight delay but its vastly superior to the problems with the manual.
Every turbo genesis owner loves their turbo. What exactly is noisy about it? Are you talking about the turbo cause that's fun. They are more than likely bringing the turbo back and introducing a twin turbo V6.
feeblemind thank you
IMO, test drive them. I was also wanting a Camaro or Mustang as my first new car before I ran into the Genesis Coupe.
I really like your guys reviews. You have hands down the best and most down to earth commentary and the camera angles and honest opinions of the cars you test drive is really appreciated. I really like how you also take the time to respond to your viewers. I look forward to watching more reviews from you. Have a happy new year everyday driver team!
LOTUS ELISE is the best out of the 3
No shit.
+Cody Touch lol
Wasnt a fair match to start
Lotus is not an everyday drive car though. Genesis is a lot more comfortable and practical out of the three.
Its all personal preference. I own a 10' gen coupe 2.0t, and I'm glad I got it over the 3.8l. With the 3.8l that's what you get and can't do much with it unless your loaded, in this case I'm not, but have the 2.0t allows for much more modifications which can lead to having more horses then the 3.8l with less weight. Out of the three I'll stick to the Genesis.
I have a 2010 3.8GT and I love it just such a nice car to drive. I don't where the chassis complaints are coming from my car has such little roll and the seats are comfy I commute about 45mins every day and the only complaint I have is the wonky manual because it shifts best when you're giving it some gas so I look like a douche in traffic to get my smooth shifts. Stage 1 with short throw shifter fixes a lot of the problems they were talking about I have instant throttle response 7200 rpm redline advanced timing to run on 93 octane. This is how the car should have come.
Love watching all your vids. Hearing your long term opinions evolve and change on the twins
I agreed. The gen1 was just not enough for what i wanted. Now a happy owner of the gen2 brz
We appreciate the comment... In this case, the inspiration for this pairing was the wide-spread discussion of the FRS/BRZ as the best driver-focused car available for under 30k. So, we took the chance to show other cars which can be great to drive for similar money. If someone is only going to run errands, sit in traffic, and never be on a fun road then none of these cars make much sense. We focused this on the kind of driving that makes these cars worthwhile. Thanks for watching!
genesis coupe!
The Lotus Elise is considered one of the best cars....ever. Why are they comparing it to the others?
Because they wanted to?
You win idiot of the week.
It depends a bit on your driving style and preference. The 135 will feel much faster and more powerful, but it isn't as light or flat in the corners. Any maintenance costs on the BMW will be more expensive than the Subaru - not a downside, just a reality. If you were going to do a lot of autocross or canyon carving we'd likely say BRZ with Mods. If you're mostly commuting or taking roadtrips then the BRZs best traits won't be utilized much. Hope that helps. Message us if you want.
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seriously, the genesis competes with the likes of the G37 or Mustang, none of that class (GT cars) is designed to be as nimble and purpose built as a FR-S or the Lotus. It just too oranges to apples! you guys should've brought in an MX-5 Miata instead of the BK genesis
mas921 As a Genesis owner I totally agree. A FR-S is a total waste of time to the Genesis. And I like Genesis better than Camaro or Mustang because I don't want to drive something you see on the road every 5 seconds.
Jealous much lmao
+Steven Ray so your reasoning for the hyundai being better is because you see less of them on the road, gee I wonder why. And how is a scion frs a waste of time to a hyundai if it smoked it on the streets??
+1AndyOnly no, I was stating that I wouldn't buy a mustang or camaro because you see them everywhere and I don't want a car you see on every corner. and as far as frs, it would take a shit load of work for one to beat my stock genesis 3.8.
+Steven Ray yeah the hyundai has more straight power but the frs handles and feels better, it beats it in handling and it's not as underpowered as you think it is actually. Anyway the FRS is a better driver car, rewatch the video.
Well, given that I already have an FR-S... I would have to go with the FR-S.
Given that I have a Gen 2.0T I will have to go with the Gen
Brett B Given that I have the 3.8 Genesis Coupe, I'd have to say the 3.8 v6 Genesis Coupe. Lol all jokes aside I like the Genny 2.0 and 3.8.
The greatest experience of my entire life was when I took my FR-S on a 15 day roadtrip. Starting in the midwest, through Grand Teton NP, through Tahoe, on to San Fran, down the PCH to LA, through the Rockies, and then finally home. I've been a car enthusiast my entire life, owning several performance vehicles in the past. Nothing compares to the FR-S for the money. Amazing as is, will be out of this world once performance parts are installed this summer. Truely a driver and tuners dream car :)
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I only see one sports car ... the Lotus
Lotus is the choice and it's not even close.
Hey Tom, you've left a series of comments about how much you like the Genesis and think the FRS/BRZ is bad because it's underpowered. We're thrilled you like the Genesis, as we want people to have passion for cars. However, there's no need to repeat yourself or pick on others who like the FRS/BRZ. It's not all about the stats, as you've noticed on our show. We hope you'll drive all these cars to see they have different strengths. Meanwhile, there's no need to yell. Thanks for Watching!
The GC is an impressive car for the money, esp in 3.8L form. There's no question that it's faster and more powerful than the FRS/BRZ. However, as stated in the review, the FRS/BRZ are better balanced. We're thrilled you like you Genesis (and you might enjoy our review of the 1st generation 3.8). We also encourage you to drive the FRS/BRZ - ideally on a twisty road, as they are disappointing in a straight line sprint. There's more there than looks. Thanks for watching.
Says the FR-S doesn't look good, but like how the Genesis looks. lmao
Genesis Haters
Who else LOL'd at "Lawn furniture wrapped in band-aids?" lol
In fact the Toyota 2ZZ engine in the Lotus Elise and Celica GTS is a collaboration with Yamaha! That is what makes it so good. The MR2 Spyder and Celica GT went with the 1ZZ engine (140 hp)
The Genesis Coupe is for those who wanted a RWD Evo (it's basically the same engine design) While the FRS is for those of us who wanted a RWD Impreza.
Frs is under 25 grand. The brz is the one up the 27-28 range. The brz has better suspension/handling, so if they use that instead it would of beat the lotus..
The brz's suspension is in no way BETTER than the frs. They tuned it to have slightly more understeer. Thats it. They are the same.
Warren Shehan Yes, you are right. But the tastes of a person will make them like a feeling to the other. I tried out the BRZ and the GT86 on road tests in Switzerland. And they are very close on all aspect. But I prefered the way the BRZ introduced his oversteering. The other way, he's trickier to drive and you must respect the road, because the road don't care of you.
I believe, they said a real lot of realist things about those cars. I agree with your impression, the BRZ is a tad more direct and precise. But I really don't believe he would be as frank and direct to drive as the elise, for the simple reason, the power/weight ratio will help the elise to turn faster and accelerate faster. It's true, the BRZ could be a few seconds faster on flying tracks as a Toyota, but it can't score against the 980 kilograms of the Elise. A few more than 250 kg, is just a too enormous gap.
Maybe if they make a 2.5L BRZ, it will outpass the Elise, but, really, I don't care. I must already be very careful not to drive tooo fast with the actual 200 hp. Police is watching and the fines in Switzerland are just the heaviest worldwide. Fact is, I have a great fun on the narrow roads all over the mountains around. Toy/Baru had a great idea. And there is no such funny car to drive in new condition out there for the moment. NO ONE ! Enjoy everybody ! Wish you a good time !
Bob Outélama Please dont forget about the Genesis 3.8 track edition! i just brought that and coming from a AWD car to a RWD car...this Genesis is fun to drive!!!
Probably yes. I wish you a good time with this car.
I've never driven an Elise, but I've driven the FR-S and the Genesis Coupe, and I have to say I actually preferred driving the Genesis Coupe. Its' faster in every respect (even the 2.0T in tests and on paper, which is now discontinued), and it looks better imo. I enjoyed the Genesis Coupe so much that I actually bought one. Its' not a revamped model, but the 2010-2012 is still a fantastic and fun car to drive. It really holds the road well, and is actually the best car I've personally driven, other than the 2013+ model 3.8L (can't speak for the 2.0T). The only thing I'd say about the Hyundai is they need to refine the transmission. It really is sloppy and imprecise like they state in this video, but that can be fixed partially with a short-throw shifter and a weighted knob for a combined total of about $300 - $450. The FR-S is no doubt a great, and well balanced car, with a great transmission, and damn-near-perfect chassis. If it had a better set of rims and tires, and just a little more power, it would hands down beat the current Coupe, but in its' current state I just can't get past the terrible lack of torque and power in a straight line and when powering out of corners, combined with those ugly rims and terrible tires. To make the FR-S a better car than the Coupe, it really needs about $3k in rims and tires, and another $2k - $4k in a turbo setup, putting it well over the price-tag of the Genesis Coupe atm anyway. Just my $.05 worth on the 2 in comparison, having driven all renditions of the 2010 model Coupe, the 2013+ 3.8L and the FR-S.
Kyle Anderson Yeah I have a 3.8 2013 and I just chuckle when I see a FR-S. I like that the Genesis is versatile with whatever type of driving you need at the time. I have the automatic with grand touring package so my 500 mile drive to Kansas the other week was amazingly comfortable with that interior. For more fun and short drives I switch to manual on the 8 speed.
We're thrilled you enjoy this video enough to watch it again! And while we agree that the MSRP of the Elise puts it in a different league, the used price does not. As mentioned each of these cars cost about $27k at the time this video was made, which means that someone with an FRS budget could theoretically get an Elise... so that allowed us to put the FRS and Genesis against serious competition. Thanks a lot of watching and commenting on what we do!
"the seats feel like garden furniture wrapped in band-aids."
holy shit im fucking dying over here hahahah
Genesis is a much better car than both of those. Much more power too
We’re glad you’re a fan of the Genesis. But have you driven the other two?
@@EverydayDriver lol I have not but I daily a 2013 Hyundai genesis coupe 2.0t and love it
@@calvinunroe2462 2.0t is the way to go, don’t mind these fools, 2013-2014 2.0t have so much power potential if modified.
@@lucidfrequenciz you right bro
less face shots more race shots
I'm so happy I just got an MR2 spyder! Some people hate on the styling but it is so much fun and can't wait to take it on the PCH.
You guys are the best cars reviewers i seen to date!You make me want a scion.....wow thats something i never tough saying once in my life!
I will clean your clock everyday with my 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R/SPEC. ← ;-)
...and my dad can beat up your dad!
But you won’t have as much as I would in my FR-S ;)
carlos, I have more fun than your car lol. I have wider tires and stiff suspension and it is way faster.
these guys talk down on the genesis coupe because they got the 2.0t which is not fast stock.. try a tune 2.0t and that thing will be very fun to drive I drove my friend 2.0t genesis coupe 2013 and it was just has a tune and it was very fun to drive but not faster than my 3.8 genesis coupe when it is tuned. def can beat a 3.8 genesis coupe stock if you tune the 2.0t. I have a 2013 3.8 genesis coupe and I enjoy every second of the car. A tune on the brz sucks it is still very slow even when you do bigger turbos it is not very fast.
My car looks better and your car is pushing almost 300hp with a 2.0t. I’m in a naturally aspirated car with 200 hp and all I need is a turbo kit to push 350 on stock internals
i'd take the FRS or a nissan 240sx or a datsun 280z or a chevy elco
do you speak Spanish?
DoomsdayMelody91 si hablo, y falo portuguese tambem, y entiendo italiano y francais. I don't see what that has to do with my opinions however.
iZxBuEnO
Your right, bad joke.
DoomsdayMelody91 it wouldve been fine but it was way too out of context. fine joke, poor execution.
iZxBuEnO a 280Z would be a fantastic PCH cruiser, but the seats were a bit poor.
We hope you noticed that Paul said "ONE of the most... " as there are many great driving roads in the US. Paul is, in fact... from Colorado, and there are many great driving roads there. In fact, we've shot reviews on spectacular roads in the Rocky Mountains. We hope you've had the chance to drive PCH as well as throughout the Rockies - some amazing experiences for sure. Thanks for watching!
Im going to have to tell you this. Im thinking about getting an FRS so bad I can tastes it. Test drove one a few weeks ago and I was hooked. I think its great that you guys did this test on the best HWY in the world. I grew up in San Luis Obispo area and I drove HWY 1 all the time. This road test the driver and the car. It doesnt matter if the the car is RWD or FWD it is wonderful. I have driven it with my Integra Type R many times and was just home in sept and drove it again. Good video
Genesis all day...
If only the genesis didnt have that ugly front! -_- it ruins the whole design and it doesnt flow
That's literally the only thing I don't like about it either! But I think you can change that
Most of them don't have that front it's optional
They have Carbon Fiber replacement and you can stick the new Lexus grill on it as well.
My brother just bought a GT86 manual, can't wait to drive that baby.
Actually... we aren't exaggerating in this case. The Big-Sur section of PCH only has 2 gas stations in about 100 miles. During our shoot, Premium was $6 a gallon at one station, and $7 at the other. Absurd, but true. Especially considering that it was about $4/gallon in the rest of California at the same time. And yes, you are right, this is a well patrolled road, far more scenic than fast because of traffic. Thanks for watching!
Lotus all day long
The Genesis Coupe's chassis is not on the same level as the other 2 cars.... its definitely worse.
Btw 4 minutes or so of this video is garbage, specifically the aesthetics portion. Aesthetics is very subjective and very much a matter of personal preference. For those 4 minutes or so, each driver basically goes though what their aesthetic preference is..... one driver even mentions his least favorite color. Really. I'm surprised he didn't tell us his favorite movie and favorite food.
xuimod You do realize the rest of the video is as subjective as the aesthetics part right? Particularly the driving feel part, they even disagree on some of their tests.
GloomGaiGar But can't the viewer make up their own mind whether the color of the car is right for them? They can see it in the video. Its stupid to insert that sort of opinion in a car review especially since you can get each of the cars in a bunch of different colors.
As an FRS owner, I have to say that every evaluation made was absolutely true.
We have a blast making the show and do our very best to pass the fun on to all of you. Thanks for watching and we hope you'll subscribe... we've got a lot of great stuff on the way this year! We might even pronounce some of it correctly - ;-)
The Genesis is thr ugliest sports car of them all. The scion/frs are actually good looking yet those tiny tires are nothing but prius tires. The exige has exotic lines and its an amazing car to see on the road.
SpyderRios Hell yeah buddy i understand your pain! I see a whole bunch of the geneturds turds everywhere.
Yeah and some extra power would be nice because otherwise wider wheels and tires will slow the car down even more. ^ I like twins but at what the dealers are asking there are better options to choose from.
The GC is not a sports car... it's a GT coupe why do you think it's 100x more practical and comfortable
There was no exige in this video, but I agree that the ELISE looks the best of the three. I honestly prefer the way the Gen Coupe looks in comparison to the BRZ/FRS, but that may be because every 17 year old has the BRZ/FRS. Either way I do respect them for what they are, I would just rather have a gen coupe, more power and more room (I'm 6'5")
DoomsdayMelody91 People are just butthurt because the FRS is pretty similar to the old school Brit sports car
But they died off for a reason, and it's because a GTI is 9/10 times better than that toyota
Toyota all the way!
Hyundai sucks
yes toyota is the best. you're a fucking moron tho.
These reviews are one of the reasons I bought my BRZ.
We hope you noticed that the other Genesis coupe review was the V6 model and against a different types of cars. And the fact the guys conclusions were different on the two models would suggest they actually have no bias, wouldn't it? We appreciate you watching a lot of our work and welcome your comments.