Looking back at this, I feel so bad for Peter. Man lost his dad and even his own mom is blaming him for the restaurant failing. At least he was willing to change unlike a lot of owners on the show.
It's obvious his parents shit on him his whole life. The man has no confidence in himself. It would explain why he asked for a hug from Gordon during the episode
I used to go to the Seascape when I was younger, as a matter of fact, I had my 16th birthday there. It used to be great back in the day, somewhere to get dressed up for. I went back years later and, yep, there was a horrible raw sewage smell. Never went back and am saddened to see it gone for good.
There's a handful of things that can ruin any restaurant experience regardless of how good the food is, and raw sewage smell in the dinning room is right up there at the top of the list. It's unfortunate that they didn't try to turn it around and keep the business afloat, especially since it had such a long history
@@adrianortiz8751 I can pretty much guarantee they did. Usually it's because the floor drains are backed up in the back of house when you have a smell like that. They could have had it fixed pretty easily I'm sure.
@@mermaidgrove6277 If there was a bad sewage smell in my restaurant (if I owned one) it would immediately become my top priority to fix. NO ONE is going to enjoy their meal if the first thing they smell is sewage and I'm sure the staff hated it too.
I feel bad for Peter in this episode. -His late father always berated him -His mother always shouted at him and mostly angry at him. What kind of mother always tell him "Shut the fuck up" to their kids? -The Head chef and the sous chef are lazy and don't care He just needs a hug and support
Exactly. I was wondering how much abuse this guy had to go through if instead of asking someone to do their job, he would rather do it himself, just to not confront the person in question.
@@BamBabyBrenda yes, but we also don’t know if he’s a public hero who says kittens from burning buildings. We just know what we know and we can draw empathy for him from that, and take it away if it’s revealed he’s a terrible person.
Oh thank god. I call Seascape my “emotional support episode of Kitchen Nightmares”. So much going on from Peter’s poor self esteem (that Gordon helps him work out via boxing) to Doug excusing moldy pesto to the wonderful phrase “he just choked on ya motha’s cookie”. Top tier 2000s camp, 10/10
@@chrisbutler501 if he'd just acted remorseful over the dirty kitchen and pretended to like the new dishes for as long as the cameras were rolling, he would have enhanced his reputation, instead of his worst moments continuing to be seen by millions of people every year. Even if he's willing to change now, the damage is already done
This reminds me of an old Japanese proverb: "Don't be fooled by a craftsman that claims he has 20 years of experience, when he really only has had 1 year of experience, 20 times."
Fun fact: The Town of Islip is named for a town in Northamptonshire, England, where Matthias Nicoll, the father of the patentee of eastern Islip William Nicoll was born.
This unlocked a childhood memory. Grew up around the area and remember something about a "smelly fish restaurant " my family walked out of due to the smell alone... wonder if that's the same one lmao
Hey there!! I actually am a local to Islip and I have lived on Long Island my whole life thus far (unfortunately kinda lol) and live around 45 min from the location of this restaurant funnily enough. I actually also have eaten at the new restaurant that opened where Peter's (from the very first episode of the show) was located before closure back around the end of 2020 - it was a pretty good place but nothing to indicate Gordon ever stepped foot there sadly. Regarding how you mention there is little to no information or reviews regarding this restaurant online, shockingly enough when you said that, it made sense to me. It didn't shock me to hear they didn't ever have anywhere to leave reviews - it's hard to explain but even to this day there are many restaurants (and other establishments as well) that have a very minimal, if any at all, digital footprint near where I am. It isn't uncommon for me to look up a restaurant, for example, and be met with not much more than a phone number and other basic info even currently, more or less at the minimum the early to late 2000's. I would be curious as well, though, to see what reviews would have been - I don't know anyone personally who has ever eaten there before they closed sadly. Since I live where I do it's funny to see some episodes of KN and know the exact area where he is lol. I was too young to have appreciated it back when they were filming which makes me kinda sad (I love Gordon tons lol), but its cool now to see still. I haven't been to any other locations of restaurants near me (since they're closed now obviously). I actually was about to say that I have plans to visit Mama Maria's for the hell of it sometime soon, but was greeted by a search revealing a closure just this past month in February 2023. Anyway hopefully anything I have mentioned has been interesting at least to some extent, lol thanks for reading :-)
i would expect that to be somewhat common for super local restaurants in general, especially in the early to mid 2000s and the 90s when creating a website would be more trouble than it's worth if you're not running like 3 or more locations
Gordon was BENEVOLENT to Doug regarding his sanitation and practices. Either the Seascape clientele has Fort Knox immune systems or Doug was immediately swarmed by OSHA members upon stepping off set a la To Catch a Predator. Not to mention, class act on his behalf having his eyes and hands preoccupied whilst half-heartedly fessing up for his oversights.
@@ItsAaronsaccount05 Those two twin brothers also changed and remained in business for a long time, the two sold the restaurant and on their last day Gordon apparently paid them a visit.
Great vid as always! Just a small footnote about what Gordon said at 7:38. His tone was very calm, which showed how extremely furious he was about the chefs' attitudes. You probably don't take suggestions, but two restaurants I would love to see you do videos of are "The Secret Garden" and "Cafe 36". Both had arrogant French chefs that angered Gordon
I wonder if the Seascape Inn didn't have much online buzz because they expected word of mouth to carry them forever. Judging by the Mom and the Chef, it wouldn't surprise me if they saw investing in an online presence as too expensive and a waste of time. Either way, it sucks when people let businesses fall apart.
I will openly admit that I'm being a pedant here: but at 0:33, the term "inn" has historically been used for any place that offers food and/or lodging for travelers, and in fact a lot of old mom n' pop restaurants in the northeastern US, especially in New England, do call themselves "Inn" because of that. It's a miniscule point that bears little relevance to the rest of the vid, but I honestly thought the same thing until I looked it up. Anyways, fantastic work as always!
I worked there for a couple of months back in 2000. In my 40 years culinary career, this place was the absolute worst. At the time I was there, the town was repaving the road, and the owners said it was the constructions fault they had no business. That is where those construction signs at the door came from. From my 1st day, that sewage smell was on my body, clothes and car.
I worked with a lot of people who went to that Culinary school and I can say confidently that *allegedly* People who go to the Culinary Institute usually walk away with a degree and a raging substance abuse issue! And apparently no idea of how to store food 😂
I remember going to this restaurant about 20 years ago before the episode aired. Back then the food was pretty good and the service was excellent. I didn’t even know there an episode of this restaurant.
I've been to the J&R steakhouse actually I was surprised that it used to be this restaurant and was on Kitchen Nightmares. It's actually part of a collection of restaurants on the island which generally well regarded. It didn't smell like raw sewage.
I guess I’m not surprised there isn’t too much of an online footprint for Seascape. It’s a restaurant that closed/changed hands before 2008/2009. Online reviews weren’t as easy to do or as popular as they are now. You couldn’t just whip out your phone and write or even vote how good a restaurant was. You’d have to go home, turn on your computer, and wait for a long while for the page to load before you also had to find the restaurant, log in, and then post.
Love you're in depth look at these restaurants. If you ever do hotel hell again, I'd love to hear about the Roosevelt Inn. You know, the guy who's accent is better than Gordon's cause he practices.
It's sad when you realise that the digital age can leave no footprints of us and our legacies behind. At least the newspaper preserved references to the inn decades back so those people and their accomplishments were remembered. It's not the information you were looking for, but I found the Inn's history quite fascinating. Thank you so much for trying so hard.
Regarding your comment about the owners not having any online adds. This was filmed in 2007, advertising online for anything was very minimal back then. Facebook had only just really started. The reason the resturant failed was because the owners weren't passionate and they were inept at managing anything. The chef is a reflection of what they're allowed to do. I've worked in places where if you didn't clean down properly after dinner service you'd get a dressing down by the manager, do it again and you're fired.
I will say I was curious when I saw this episode originally on KN why Doug said the dog food bag was the "fish bag". I did a little research and fish markets will use dog food bags to send fresh fish with the customer (they are clean of course). It had something to do with the lining or whatever. Assuming Doug wasn't actually keeping fish in there but he was so disgusting I'm not sure, lol!
At the deli and pastry shop I use to work at, things were moldy and old all the time. You go into the walk-in and there'd be molding, white tomatoes on the floor, or old bell peppers, or month old sausages. They stored pastries in the same walk-in (we only had one, building was converted in the 80s from a bank) and I'm talking cooked cake ranks next to chicken salad racks. One of the biggest issues was the routes we had; there were four of them, and they'd sling what they didn't sell in the walk-in, instead of in the front. We'd never know how old something was until it started to discolor. One of the worst things was how long food stayed out too. People would start one task, and get pulled off it, potentially leaving chicken or meat out for an hour or more. There was also an issue with fruit flies, dirty ovens, dirty bread pans, just grossness all around. Things were surface and 'customer' clean, but nothing deep clean. The owner is also in real-estate, construction, lawn care, and a pastor, so he's got several people he treat him like Jesus Christ and kiss the ground he walks. It sucks how through knowing someone and paying them off, the place is able to scrape by, despite giving majority of it's workers food poising at least once, and it customers even complain stuff taste off. Glad I was able to leave that joint.
So, I never ate at this restaurant when it was called seascape, but I DID eat there late last year when it was called J&Rs. Food was quite decent then. I live less than 2 miles away from this restaurant, and I honestly was shocked to find out it was Seascape (I did independent research with current and old addresses for this location, and yes: they matched). Although, it’s quite evident that the current location is much smaller than in the show.
Quick reply: ate there again last week. Still was quite nice. Also, for this who are curious: interior is changed from the episode, and no “sewage smell”
I really appreciate your update videos. You really get into the research, much better than other channels that cover the same ground!!! Awesome job 👍💙🏴
So I love on Long Island. The fact that the seascape turned into a J&Rs isn’t surprising. They’re a pretty popular local steakhouse with restaurants all over LI. Great food…decent prices…probably the best thing that could happen to the location.
I live in the area and I was trying to think if I knew where this was and then when it was said that it’s now J&R’s I was like WTF! I’ve been there a bunch of times and they have rather good food. I had no idea I was inside a restaurant that was once on Kitchen Nightmares
When i first knew about Kitchen Nightmare (which was many years after its last episode), most of the time, the owners were to blame. This case, however, said otherwise. I watched some highlights of this episode and gotta say, the two chefs were terribly uncooperative. And Gordon was very calm to them during the makeover.
As someone who has worked for years in a variety of restaurants and commercial kitchens, it's a pretty thankless job at times. I can't tell you how many times people would join up thinking how easy it is to cook and throw dishes together, but much of the work falls well outside that purview. Hours of prep, cleaning, sanitizing, performing opening and closing duties, managing the finances, customer service, etc. Few people will ever truly appreciate the amount of work that goes into running a kitchen, and rarely appreciate when things run well. Make one mistake, however, and you'll catch a kind of vitriol that's hard to stomach. Between lunch and dinner rushes, special events, local gatherings, or just a general uptick in business and success can feel worse than failure as you work yourself to death to keep up with demand. This is why I always encourage everyone to show at least some minimal amount of compassion for the cooks and wait staff. They're seriously some of the hardest working people in the job market. It's not always a given though, sometimes they are just lazy oe unmotivated. But if you genuinely have a great experience, give them at least positive feedback, if not a healthy tip. We need to hear that sometimes. Cheers everyone.
As far as online reviews go, you have to remember that at the time 80% of the restaurant's life existed before the internet and when the episode aired yelp had only been around for 3 years also cell phones were primitive so yelp and other online review sites weren't nearly as popular as they would become because they were still entirely Personal Computer centric.
4:02 And her defense, the reason she gave him instructions on how to eat a cookie was because when something is topped with loose powdered sugar, a lot of people will continue to inhale as they bite which makes them choke. When she says you just lifted and bite, she means lift it and do nothing but bite. as unreasonable as everything else these people do is, it's the same thing with beignet.
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Peter Matthews has a company called "LESTER'S PLACE, INC" He used to own "ERENA, INC" He now lives in " Massapequa" together with his children and his mother, Irene.
Perhaps the participating owners decide how much personal info to use, such as names, financial details, etc. There must be extensive contracts involved to get these shows produced in working restaurants. Names might be a variable that is optional. Might go some way to explaining why it's hit or miss whether or not an episode provides firsts & lasts. -This is just my own hypothesising. Also, it seemed to me that when Gordon told Peter he needed to make his biggest decision since his father died, pertaining to firing Doug & Charlie, that it was implying that the dad would have been the guy in charge of firings, prior to dying a couple years earlier. That's how I understood that, anyways.
I worked there for two days. At the time, I'd been a waiter for 4 years and had lots of restaurant experience in lots of different places. I lived about a 5 min walk and figured I could pick up midweek shifts or lunches while also working at the other restaurant (a French restaurant). I met Peter and his mom had a quick conversation and would start the next Tues night. I get there ready to go, meet the chef (Doug) briefly, and another waiter. She is blonde with a large chest (think as sterotypical as you can) and a very bubbly personality. I ask her where else she's waited table's and tells me this is her first restaurant job. Ok, that's not uncommon moving on. I can not convey how inept she was at everything it was clear she was solely hired on looks. So we get through the night and I come back the next morning and Peter tells me I'm now busing tables for this girl. I tell him I don't think that's a good idea he says she will bring in big tips, and I say ok. I go in the kitchen and am talking to the Sous chef who explains to me that he is a total creep and it doesn't surprise him. I talked the bar tender on a smoke a break, a lady in her mid 40's who tells me every 3 weeks he hires a younger hotter bartender to replace and she has to make these people cry and go home otherwise she'll lose her shifts. After all of this, I just walked out the back of the kitchen. Told the Sous chef thanks and walked home. I was so happy when they closed.
Bravo for the contents you've been producing man, now this is what truly insightful analysis channels should do, in-depth analysis, unlike that "Film Insight" channel which made nothing but simply reading back the contents already present on "Reality Channel Revisited" and making clickbait thumbnails
They've got nothing on Tadich Grill in San Francisco; not only is it the oldest in the city, it's the oldest restaurant in California. Founded right in the middle of the Gold Rush by Croatian immigrants (back then part of the Austrian Empire) who served grilled fish to miners and panners. It's a pretty high-end place today, and they still serve a lot of 19th century entrees, notably liver and onions (which was delicious!) and pork chops with applesauce.
WHY WHY WHY were they keeping fish in a dog food bag?!? i've done some potentially "weird" things as far as saving/reusing plastic containers from prepackaged products but i don't think i'd ever even think or want to use a pet food bag for human food storage? it's just so weird i can't even fathom the train of thought that led there
i can't stop thinking about it. where did the dog food bag come from? did he bring it from home? does he own dogs? does he have a shady fish supplier with low standards for food handling, who owns many dogs? this whole equation has so many potential variables i hate it
the owner putting it all on his cook is NOT like the captain of the titanic blaming the ship....the captain drove it into the iceberg. The closest this would be is that the owners of the titanic got mad at the captain for hitting the iceberg.... owner is not the captain, though they should still look at the stuff and make sure its handled.
I think the more apt analogy would be the captain being mad at the helmsman for steering the boat into the iceberg, with the restaurant in this analogy being the ship. Sure, the helmsman was the one in charge of moving the rudder, but it's the captain who decides what direction the rudder goes in. Same thing here, the chef might be the one who cooks the food, but the owner is the one in charge of the business and, ultimately, the fate of the restaurant.
Awesome job the video you’re put so much effort into this. The restaurant I’m curious about what happened after the show is Shusi Ko I think that should be the next video.
I ate there in 1969 as a small child with my own neglectful and very abusive parents. I remember crying because you were not allowed to order from the main menu if you were under age 12, which I was. My late father was an abusive bully, but when I made a fuss, Peter’s father came over and was almost as nasty and cruel as my own father. I was fed awful tasting, bland spaghetti and mushrooms. I assume Peter’s father was kinder to the adults, but he was so cruel and domineering that I am not at all surprised that Peter ended up wimpish and asking for a hug from Gordon!!
12:23 you'd be surprised actually, there are plenty of places around where no one wrote a review for it. We just have so much info on places and things that it seems odd not to have info on something where the inverse used to be true.
MERMAID! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POPPING UP IN RECCOMENDED AGAIN! Life has been really be an all consuming void lately with a never ending storm of negativity surrounding me. Just having fun with some Kitchen Nightmares feels like a nice break.
Looks like another channel tried to rip off these vids but yours are 100% better researched and not just recapping the episode and throwing that title on for clicks.
If you’re talking about Film Insight, they do that all the time. They rip-off this guy, Flynn Masters, and make cringy ass thumbnails like Mary Lou from HK putting poison in a risotto or some crap like that.
@@dtxspeaks268 Yeah that’s what happened in the actual show, but I meant the guy who creates all those horrible clickbait thumbnails- he edits them to make it look like the contestants are adding poison to the food… Look up Film Insight.
For any serious seascape collector out there I recommend contacting Chef Dug he surely still keeps some of the old moldy food he cook during his time with the restaurant 💀
i went on google maps to see what might have been a historical site sign (along the road towards the back of the building where the bridge starts). The largest whale shark in the north atlantic was caught there in 1935 and is on display at the W.K. Vanderbilt museum. Thanks, Historical Society of Islip Hamlet!
We know that the real winner here is Peter. He got started on his confidence building , sold the restaurant he if I remember well didin't even fucking wanted and got a good chunk of cash for himself . I hope he is doing great
I like this guy’s commentary cause he doesn’t drag the video on for ages talking about irrelevant shit and just talks about it like someone describing the episode
the way i see it as peter's father started the business and then died and peter taking charge of day to day operation . I also took in that it seemed Peter did not want to be in that line of work
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Looking back at this, I feel so bad for Peter. Man lost his dad and even his own mom is blaming him for the restaurant failing. At least he was willing to change unlike a lot of owners on the show.
It's obvious his parents shit on him his whole life. The man has no confidence in himself. It would explain why he asked for a hug from Gordon during the episode
Hey Peter
He ran the the restaurant to the ground then sold it to someone that just wanted the building...
I mean, it WAS his fault, though. He's a weak man, and an incompetent one, at that.
@@furryfucker420 Remember the time?
I used to go to the Seascape when I was younger, as a matter of fact, I had my 16th birthday there. It used to be great back in the day, somewhere to get dressed up for. I went back years later and, yep, there was a horrible raw sewage smell. Never went back and am saddened to see it gone for good.
There's a handful of things that can ruin any restaurant experience regardless of how good the food is, and raw sewage smell in the dinning room is right up there at the top of the list. It's unfortunate that they didn't try to turn it around and keep the business afloat, especially since it had such a long history
I wonder if this J&R restaurant did something about the smell...
@@adrianortiz8751 I can pretty much guarantee they did. Usually it's because the floor drains are backed up in the back of house when you have a smell like that. They could have had it fixed pretty easily I'm sure.
@@mermaidgrove6277 If there was a bad sewage smell in my restaurant (if I owned one) it would immediately become my top priority to fix. NO ONE is going to enjoy their meal if the first thing they smell is sewage and I'm sure the staff hated it too.
Me too. I grew up with it being one of the nicer places to go for dinner.
Doug once tried to get a racoon to taste his lunch, but the racoon answered: “I know what trash tastes like.”
I feel bad for Peter in this episode.
-His late father always berated him
-His mother always shouted at him and mostly angry at him. What kind of mother always tell him "Shut the fuck up" to their kids?
-The Head chef and the sous chef are lazy and don't care
He just needs a hug and support
Exactly. I was wondering how much abuse this guy had to go through if instead of asking someone to do their job, he would rather do it himself, just to not confront the person in question.
We can feel bad but we also don't know if he's the creepy weirdo that turns out to be a murderer.
@@BamBabyBrenda yes, but we also don’t know if he’s a public hero who says kittens from burning buildings. We just know what we know and we can draw empathy for him from that, and take it away if it’s revealed he’s a terrible person.
He's a weak, incompetent man. End of.
@@WobblesandBean lmao
Oh thank god. I call Seascape my “emotional support episode of Kitchen Nightmares”. So much going on from Peter’s poor self esteem (that Gordon helps him work out via boxing) to Doug excusing moldy pesto to the wonderful phrase “he just choked on ya motha’s cookie”. Top tier 2000s camp, 10/10
too true ericab
38 years of experience apparently, and in the space of a few hours Doug ensured that no respectable restaurant will employ him ever again
38 years of experience doesn't mean you can't change. I have been cooking for 22 years and I am willing to change
@@chrisbutler501 if he'd just acted remorseful over the dirty kitchen and pretended to like the new dishes for as long as the cameras were rolling, he would have enhanced his reputation, instead of his worst moments continuing to be seen by millions of people every year. Even if he's willing to change now, the damage is already done
Despite of how much of a cancer Doug was in the kitchen, it is sad if you didn’t know already that he passed away back in 2010 at age 57.
This reminds me of an old Japanese proverb: "Don't be fooled by a craftsman that claims he has 20 years of experience, when he really only has had 1 year of experience, 20 times."
@@owenmulrooney4751that is sad news regardless of how he acted on a TV show. I hope his death wasn't linked to all of the spoiled food he was eating
Fun fact:
The Town of Islip is named for a town in Northamptonshire, England, where Matthias Nicoll, the father of the patentee of eastern Islip William Nicoll was born.
That’s correct
This unlocked a childhood memory. Grew up around the area and remember something about a "smelly fish restaurant " my family walked out of due to the smell alone... wonder if that's the same one lmao
Probably was😂
Mad respect to you for digging so deep into the history of the Seascape to the point of looking at articles from the last freaking century 😅
The restaurant is 45 years old not 100 years old
@Bam Brenda it was last century. 1901-2000 was the 20th century and 2001-3000 is the 21st century.
@@lvndr9838 you’re slow a century is 100 years 2000-3000 is 1000 years
21st century 2000-2099.
@@Msjj502 are you okay
Hey there!! I actually am a local to Islip and I have lived on Long Island my whole life thus far (unfortunately kinda lol) and live around 45 min from the location of this restaurant funnily enough. I actually also have eaten at the new restaurant that opened where Peter's (from the very first episode of the show) was located before closure back around the end of 2020 - it was a pretty good place but nothing to indicate Gordon ever stepped foot there sadly.
Regarding how you mention there is little to no information or reviews regarding this restaurant online, shockingly enough when you said that, it made sense to me. It didn't shock me to hear they didn't ever have anywhere to leave reviews - it's hard to explain but even to this day there are many restaurants (and other establishments as well) that have a very minimal, if any at all, digital footprint near where I am. It isn't uncommon for me to look up a restaurant, for example, and be met with not much more than a phone number and other basic info even currently, more or less at the minimum the early to late 2000's. I would be curious as well, though, to see what reviews would have been - I don't know anyone personally who has ever eaten there before they closed sadly.
Since I live where I do it's funny to see some episodes of KN and know the exact area where he is lol. I was too young to have appreciated it back when they were filming which makes me kinda sad (I love Gordon tons lol), but its cool now to see still. I haven't been to any other locations of restaurants near me (since they're closed now obviously). I actually was about to say that I have plans to visit Mama Maria's for the hell of it sometime soon, but was greeted by a search revealing a closure just this past month in February 2023. Anyway hopefully anything I have mentioned has been interesting at least to some extent, lol thanks for reading :-)
i would expect that to be somewhat common for super local restaurants in general, especially in the early to mid 2000s and the 90s when creating a website would be more trouble than it's worth if you're not running like 3 or more locations
Have you tried the new j&r? I've debated stopping in every so often when I'm driving home but have never gave it a shot.
@@callmekirkland8 that's a ghost kitchen. They're all over the place.
Gordon was BENEVOLENT to Doug regarding his sanitation and practices. Either the Seascape clientele has Fort Knox immune systems or Doug was immediately swarmed by OSHA members upon stepping off set a la To Catch a Predator.
Not to mention, class act on his behalf having his eyes and hands preoccupied whilst half-heartedly fessing up for his oversights.
I like the idea of OSHA inspectors arresting him TCAP style after being told to have a seat by Gordon.
Not OSHA.. health dept
Funny you mention TCAP, because the first TCAP investigation was in Long Island (Bethpage to be exact).
Imagine saying “Gordon being here is a slap in the face” while you’re microwaving frozen food in the back
I remember watching these early episodes of Kitchen Nightmares like it was yesterday. Hard to believe that all of this took place like 16-17 years ago
Yeah, I kinda forget that 20 years ago wasn’t the 80’s or 90’s, it was the 2000’s, lol.
Peter is like one of the six owners who didn't act in denial.
who were the other 6?
@@user-kw1hq-r8o idk 😅
@@ItsAaronsaccount05 do you at least remember a couple? because i can't
@@user-kw1hq-r8o oh, there's the one guy from Dillons, Mohammed is his name I think
@@ItsAaronsaccount05 Those two twin brothers also changed and remained in business for a long time, the two sold the restaurant and on their last day Gordon apparently paid them a visit.
Great vid as always!
Just a small footnote about what Gordon said at 7:38. His tone was very calm, which showed how extremely furious he was about the chefs' attitudes.
You probably don't take suggestions, but two restaurants I would love to see you do videos of are "The Secret Garden" and "Cafe 36". Both had arrogant French chefs that angered Gordon
"First time someone refuses to taste my food. This time I'm really insulted"
The matter of fact way he said that was quite telling.
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This is exactly the kinda shit I picture Paul Blart watching at work
My exact thoughts
I really appreciate your channel, doing research and stating fats accurately without the need of clickbaiting, really well done
stating some fat facts indeed
I wonder if the Seascape Inn didn't have much online buzz because they expected word of mouth to carry them forever.
Judging by the Mom and the Chef, it wouldn't surprise me if they saw investing in an online presence as too expensive and a waste of time.
Either way, it sucks when people let businesses fall apart.
No one would go to a restaurant based on information from online buzz lol why would you when the information will most likely be fake
I really wanted to hear what Peter is up to these days. Gotta feel sorry for the lad. Hopefully he’s doing alright
I will openly admit that I'm being a pedant here: but at 0:33, the term "inn" has historically been used for any place that offers food and/or lodging for travelers, and in fact a lot of old mom n' pop restaurants in the northeastern US, especially in New England, do call themselves "Inn" because of that. It's a miniscule point that bears little relevance to the rest of the vid, but I honestly thought the same thing until I looked it up. Anyways, fantastic work as always!
I worked there for a couple of months back in 2000. In my 40 years culinary career, this place was the absolute worst. At the time I was there, the town was repaving the road, and the owners said it was the constructions fault they had no business. That is where those construction signs at the door came from. From my 1st day, that sewage smell was on my body, clothes and car.
I worked with a lot of people who went to that Culinary school and I can say confidently that *allegedly* People who go to the Culinary Institute usually walk away with a degree and a raging substance abuse issue! And apparently no idea of how to store food 😂
I've known 3 trained chefs in my life. Delicious food, but I don't trust their sanitation habits. I'll eat it if i watched them make it.
@@aarontuplin that's so sad but so true
I remember going to this restaurant about 20 years ago before the episode aired. Back then the food was pretty good and the service was excellent. I didn’t even know there an episode of this restaurant.
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I KNEW I WAS THE CHOSEN ONE!
@@happicheshirecat nothing ever happens i guess, people dont exist and therefore cannot go to restaurants
@HAPPICHESHIRECAT Perhaps, but with a name like that, I'd like to imagine he did, in fact, dine at this location 20 years ago.
@@SaltyAsTheSea yes lol
Another jaw dropping, slow burn, spine chilling, bone tingling kinorific MermaidGrove video? Truly we are blessed.
I've been to the J&R steakhouse actually I was surprised that it used to be this restaurant and was on Kitchen Nightmares. It's actually part of a collection of restaurants on the island which generally well regarded. It didn't smell like raw sewage.
I guess I’m not surprised there isn’t too much of an online footprint for Seascape. It’s a restaurant that closed/changed hands before 2008/2009.
Online reviews weren’t as easy to do or as popular as they are now. You couldn’t just whip out your phone and write or even vote how good a restaurant was. You’d have to go home, turn on your computer, and wait for a long while for the page to load before you also had to find the restaurant, log in, and then post.
Dude you went full investigator mode for this one. Big kudos to you
Love you're in depth look at these restaurants. If you ever do hotel hell again, I'd love to hear about the Roosevelt Inn. You know, the guy who's accent is better than Gordon's cause he practices.
It's sad when you realise that the digital age can leave no footprints of us and our legacies behind.
At least the newspaper preserved references to the inn decades back so those people and their accomplishments were remembered.
It's not the information you were looking for, but I found the Inn's history quite fascinating.
Thank you so much for trying so hard.
Ah this one, the one where the Head Chef was very lazy and pompous to the point he refused to even taste Gordon's food which to Gordon was a insult.
It's been a while since I watched the episode, but didn't Gordon tear through him because of that?
Regarding your comment about the owners not having any online adds. This was filmed in 2007, advertising online for anything was very minimal back then. Facebook had only just really started.
The reason the resturant failed was because the owners weren't passionate and they were inept at managing anything. The chef is a reflection of what they're allowed to do. I've worked in places where if you didn't clean down properly after dinner service you'd get a dressing down by the manager, do it again and you're fired.
I will say I was curious when I saw this episode originally on KN why Doug said the dog food bag was the "fish bag".
I did a little research and fish markets will use dog food bags to send fresh fish with the customer (they are clean of course).
It had something to do with the lining or whatever. Assuming Doug wasn't actually keeping fish in there but he was so disgusting I'm not sure, lol!
The fact that the head chef actually ate a sour ham illustrates how much lack of care he has for the health of the customers, or himself.
A little Google-Fu and chef Doug appeared to have passed away in 2010, three years after the episode was aired. Dirty living would do that.
I really want to see an episode on Chappy. That was one hell of an episode.
I'm going to be insulted by the best chef in the world! Got to say, that's pretty hilarious.
Pretty sure Peter's got a Submissive kink
Honestly, I would be honor to get yelled or insulted by Gordon Ramsay
the fated Amy's Baking Company video draws nearer.
At the deli and pastry shop I use to work at, things were moldy and old all the time. You go into the walk-in and there'd be molding, white tomatoes on the floor, or old bell peppers, or month old sausages. They stored pastries in the same walk-in (we only had one, building was converted in the 80s from a bank) and I'm talking cooked cake ranks next to chicken salad racks. One of the biggest issues was the routes we had; there were four of them, and they'd sling what they didn't sell in the walk-in, instead of in the front. We'd never know how old something was until it started to discolor. One of the worst things was how long food stayed out too. People would start one task, and get pulled off it, potentially leaving chicken or meat out for an hour or more. There was also an issue with fruit flies, dirty ovens, dirty bread pans, just grossness all around. Things were surface and 'customer' clean, but nothing deep clean. The owner is also in real-estate, construction, lawn care, and a pastor, so he's got several people he treat him like Jesus Christ and kiss the ground he walks. It sucks how through knowing someone and paying them off, the place is able to scrape by, despite giving majority of it's workers food poising at least once, and it customers even complain stuff taste off. Glad I was able to leave that joint.
So, I never ate at this restaurant when it was called seascape, but I DID eat there late last year when it was called J&Rs. Food was quite decent then. I live less than 2 miles away from this restaurant, and I honestly was shocked to find out it was Seascape (I did independent research with current and old addresses for this location, and yes: they matched).
Although, it’s quite evident that the current location is much smaller than in the show.
Quick reply: ate there again last week. Still was quite nice. Also, for this who are curious: interior is changed from the episode, and no “sewage smell”
Love the work you put into this, especially the investigation at the end!
I really appreciate your update videos. You really get into the research, much better than other channels that cover the same ground!!! Awesome job 👍💙🏴
So I love on Long Island. The fact that the seascape turned into a J&Rs isn’t surprising. They’re a pretty popular local steakhouse with restaurants all over LI. Great food…decent prices…probably the best thing that could happen to the location.
I live in the area and I was trying to think if I knew where this was and then when it was said that it’s now J&R’s I was like WTF! I’ve been there a bunch of times and they have rather good food. I had no idea I was inside a restaurant that was once on Kitchen Nightmares
When i first knew about Kitchen Nightmare (which was many years after its last episode), most of the time, the owners were to blame. This case, however, said otherwise. I watched some highlights of this episode and gotta say, the two chefs were terribly uncooperative. And Gordon was very calm to them during the makeover.
I'm happy Gordon fired those 2. If only Gordon did the same to Martin from Le Frite or Mario and his goons from Grasshopper
As someone who has worked for years in a variety of restaurants and commercial kitchens, it's a pretty thankless job at times.
I can't tell you how many times people would join up thinking how easy it is to cook and throw dishes together, but much of the work falls well outside that purview. Hours of prep, cleaning, sanitizing, performing opening and closing duties, managing the finances, customer service, etc.
Few people will ever truly appreciate the amount of work that goes into running a kitchen, and rarely appreciate when things run well. Make one mistake, however, and you'll catch a kind of vitriol that's hard to stomach.
Between lunch and dinner rushes, special events, local gatherings, or just a general uptick in business and success can feel worse than failure as you work yourself to death to keep up with demand.
This is why I always encourage everyone to show at least some minimal amount of compassion for the cooks and wait staff. They're seriously some of the hardest working people in the job market. It's not always a given though, sometimes they are just lazy oe unmotivated. But if you genuinely have a great experience, give them at least positive feedback, if not a healthy tip. We need to hear that sometimes.
Cheers everyone.
"Gordon just choked on your mother's cookie".😳
Underrated quote from the episode.
As far as online reviews go, you have to remember that at the time 80% of the restaurant's life existed before the internet and when the episode aired yelp had only been around for 3 years also cell phones were primitive so yelp and other online review sites weren't nearly as popular as they would become because they were still entirely Personal Computer centric.
4:02 And her defense, the reason she gave him instructions on how to eat a cookie was because when something is topped with loose powdered sugar, a lot of people will continue to inhale as they bite which makes them choke. When she says you just lifted and bite, she means lift it and do nothing but bite. as unreasonable as everything else these people do is, it's the same thing with beignet.
I really like the little art segments inside each video that you do
I think the drawing threw really good and are really funny. You should keep doing those.! ❤
The fact she provided cookie eating instructions means there is probably a story behind it.
Peter Matthews has a company called "LESTER'S PLACE, INC"
He used to own "ERENA, INC"
He now lives in " Massapequa" together with his children and his mother, Irene.
When the world needed MermaidGrove and Gordon Ramsay the they returned to ask...
*Where's the lamb sauce?!* And enjoy the new video.
Perhaps the participating owners decide how much personal info to use, such as names, financial details, etc. There must be extensive contracts involved to get these shows produced in working restaurants. Names might be a variable that is optional. Might go some way to explaining why it's hit or miss whether or not an episode provides firsts & lasts. -This is just my own hypothesising.
Also, it seemed to me that when Gordon told Peter he needed to make his biggest decision since his father died, pertaining to firing Doug & Charlie, that it was implying that the dad would have been the guy in charge of firings, prior to dying a couple years earlier. That's how I understood that, anyways.
I worked there for two days.
At the time, I'd been a waiter for 4 years and had lots of restaurant experience in lots of different places. I lived about a 5 min walk and figured I could pick up midweek shifts or lunches while also working at the other restaurant (a French restaurant). I met Peter and his mom had a quick conversation and would start the next Tues night.
I get there ready to go, meet the chef (Doug) briefly, and another waiter. She is blonde with a large chest (think as sterotypical as you can) and a very bubbly personality. I ask her where else she's waited table's and tells me this is her first restaurant job. Ok, that's not uncommon moving on. I can not convey how inept she was at everything it was clear she was solely hired on looks. So we get through the night and I come back the next morning and Peter tells me I'm now busing tables for this girl. I tell him I don't think that's a good idea he says she will bring in big tips, and I say ok. I go in the kitchen and am talking to the Sous chef who explains to me that he is a total creep and it doesn't surprise him. I talked the bar tender on a smoke a break, a lady in her mid 40's who tells me every 3 weeks he hires a younger hotter bartender to replace and she has to make these people cry and go home otherwise she'll lose her shifts.
After all of this, I just walked out the back of the kitchen. Told the Sous chef thanks and walked home. I was so happy when they closed.
This episode is already my favorite your humor is so fresh and gets me laughing!
Bravo for the contents you've been producing man, now this is what truly insightful analysis channels should do, in-depth analysis, unlike that "Film Insight" channel which made nothing but simply reading back the contents already present on "Reality Channel Revisited" and making clickbait thumbnails
I love how they say it's the oldest restaurant in the town only being founded in the 60s.
I've been to sandwich shops older than that
They've got nothing on Tadich Grill in San Francisco; not only is it the oldest in the city, it's the oldest restaurant in California. Founded right in the middle of the Gold Rush by Croatian immigrants (back then part of the Austrian Empire) who served grilled fish to miners and panners. It's a pretty high-end place today, and they still serve a lot of 19th century entrees, notably liver and onions (which was delicious!) and pork chops with applesauce.
WHY WHY WHY were they keeping fish in a dog food bag?!? i've done some potentially "weird" things as far as saving/reusing plastic containers from prepackaged products but i don't think i'd ever even think or want to use a pet food bag for human food storage? it's just so weird i can't even fathom the train of thought that led there
i can't stop thinking about it. where did the dog food bag come from? did he bring it from home? does he own dogs? does he have a shady fish supplier with low standards for food handling, who owns many dogs? this whole equation has so many potential variables i hate it
the owner putting it all on his cook is NOT like the captain of the titanic blaming the ship....the captain drove it into the iceberg. The closest this would be is that the owners of the titanic got mad at the captain for hitting the iceberg....
owner is not the captain, though they should still look at the stuff and make sure its handled.
I think the more apt analogy would be the captain being mad at the helmsman for steering the boat into the iceberg, with the restaurant in this analogy being the ship.
Sure, the helmsman was the one in charge of moving the rudder, but it's the captain who decides what direction the rudder goes in. Same thing here, the chef might be the one who cooks the food, but the owner is the one in charge of the business and, ultimately, the fate of the restaurant.
Damn, you really went the distance with the research! Well done, excellent as always!
Ha, I forgot he'd brought in Jean-Batiste! I love that guy, he's such a hardass 😂
Ya, you can he DID NOT like Peter at all lol
i wish i had the same dedication for my studies like how you dug so much just to find a single info...
Keep it up I love these. Waiting on that episode where Gordon cleans his plate and loves her food lol
Sir, I just wanna tell you, I miss you so much, that I rewatched all your vids at least twice.
Ofc they're gonna keep their food in Doug-food bags
This episode is my favorite in the history of the show.
Awesome job the video you’re put so much effort into this. The restaurant I’m curious about what happened after the show is Shusi Ko I think that should be the next video.
I ate there in 1969 as a small child with my own neglectful and very abusive parents. I remember crying because you were not allowed to order from the main menu if you were under age 12, which I was. My late father was an abusive bully, but when I made a fuss, Peter’s father came over and was almost as nasty and cruel as my own father. I was fed awful tasting, bland spaghetti and mushrooms. I assume Peter’s father was kinder to the adults, but he was so cruel and domineering that I am not at all surprised that Peter ended up wimpish and asking for a hug from Gordon!!
I hope you are doing well.
@@tazreenrahman3587 -thank you. Some scars never heal but I am much more resilient now.
I love the newspaper cutouts at the end, keep up the great work!
Your videos just get better and better
I really like the little drawing you started incorporating in the videos, it really adds to it lol
Apparently head chef Doug died of starvation not long after this episode hired as he tasted all the food in the world.
12:23 you'd be surprised actually, there are plenty of places around where no one wrote a review for it. We just have so much info on places and things that it seems odd not to have info on something where the inverse used to be true.
MERMAID! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POPPING UP IN RECCOMENDED AGAIN! Life has been really be an all consuming void lately with a never ending storm of negativity surrounding me. Just having fun with some Kitchen Nightmares feels like a nice break.
Looks like another channel tried to rip off these vids but yours are 100% better researched and not just recapping the episode and throwing that title on for clicks.
If you’re talking about Film Insight, they do that all the time. They rip-off this guy, Flynn Masters, and make cringy ass thumbnails like Mary Lou from HK putting poison in a risotto or some crap like that.
@@Morayyeel64I'm pretty sure that was Joanna from Season 3 who was gonna out rotten crab in risotto
@@dtxspeaks268 Yeah that’s what happened in the actual show, but I meant the guy who creates all those horrible clickbait thumbnails- he edits them to make it look like the contestants are adding poison to the food… Look up Film Insight.
Irene was horrible to her son. Absolutely terrible.
Great vid.
#save1899 #renew1899
bro that sketch of the captain of the titanic had me DYINGGGGG 6:11
Glad you're back to the old format I'm here for your long form :-)
For any serious seascape collector out there I recommend contacting Chef Dug he surely still keeps some of the old moldy food he cook during his time with the restaurant 💀
Dude did the restaurant even exist
No reviews
No last names
This shit could work as a horror game
Doug's entire behaviour is a telltale sign of a burnt out spirit.
"You didn't see that?! You got glasses on my man!"
Honestly quite a unique insult. Better than needing new prescriptions.
Psychopath Doug was never a trained cheff, he most likely was a deep-fry / grill cook.
When MermaidGrove uploads, that’s when you know shit is real
"I was excited. Little butterflies on my stomach. Im going to be insulted by the bedt chef in the world"
So damn relatable
i went on google maps to see what might have been a historical site sign (along the road towards the back of the building where the bridge starts). The largest whale shark in the north atlantic was caught there in 1935 and is on display at the W.K. Vanderbilt museum. Thanks, Historical Society of Islip Hamlet!
We know that the real winner here is Peter. He got started on his confidence building , sold the restaurant he if I remember well didin't even fucking wanted and got a good chunk of cash for himself .
I hope he is doing great
This was in depth! Very impressive! Loved this one! ❤️
I like this guy’s commentary cause he doesn’t drag the video on for ages talking about irrelevant shit and just talks about it like someone describing the episode
"I'll just call it Seascape." -Quote from 'What Happened to the Seascape Inn from Kitchen Nightmares?'
You gotta post more often!
Just found this channel, exactly what I’ve been looking for. Thank you keep it up
10:15
"I dug really hard for this one"
I see what you did there!
the way i see it as peter's father started the business and then died and peter taking charge of day to day operation . I also took in that it seemed Peter did not want to be in that line of work
You know a Mermaid Grove video is gonna be good when the episode is over and there's still half the video left.
An abused son still being abused.
This is sad. This is where serial killers come from
Doug [Douglas Ali] actually passed away in June of 2010.
hey guy, I love your videos, I've seen all of them a bunch of times, hope you keep posting new ones soon, keep on going, cheers
Your ideas for videos are great!! thanks a lot
Thanks for posting again. I am very excited to see one of your videos.
Impressive research skills. Great video man for real keep them coming