Why DUSHANE Felt So Different In TOP BOY Season 3
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- I review, breakdown and explain Top Boy Season 3 (season 5). I discuss the Netflix show and react to the character Dushane and why he felt so different in this season compared to the previous ones, including Summerhouse. I give my thoughts on his relationship with Shelley, Sully, Dushane's death and many of the other characters in the show and how it felt like he changed.
00:00 Intro
00:40 The Lack Of Intelligence
02:50 He Had No Purpose
04:42 He Was Weak
06:53 Outro
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Do you think Dushane felt different in Season 3 to the previous seasons of the show? Comment your thoughts below!
Yes but only because he was more rash in decisions, was more out of control and seemed more desperate in general.
That’s fair!
@@BrainPilot thanks BrainPilot
Dushane in this season wasn't dealing with other gangsters. He was dealing with real people. Dushane like you stated became like Sully. He got desperate. Dushane didn't put a fight up against Sully as he knew Sully would just kill him. Also Dushane didn't want that life anymore. He was happy to just be on the side getting money coming in from Sully. It was only when he lost all his money that he wanted to be more involved.
Dushane did get to the bottom of who stole his money. it got as far as revelling that they had gone to Dublin.
For the first time we saw Dushane vulnerable and broke.
Lmao the first time dushane was vulnerable and broke? So what was that whole 3rd season when he was in Jamaica. Or when he owed Bobby raikes 40k. He walked away from the roads cuz the script said so not because of anything in the character or portrayed on the show. You're just making shit up
I did not buy into Dushane destroying Jeffrey, and not bothering to clean up the crime scene. I expect that recklessness from Sully. Yes, Ronan wanted to give his character a downfall, but as you say, it was too out of character for him. It used to be Dushane being so strategic that he would also be cleaning up Sully's mess.
Had he ever just had all his money stolen? 16 milllion gone!!! And he was hust informed this. It was over for him and his head lost it and that showed
He did clean up, he just failed miserably lmao
I don't understand why Dushane killed Jeffrey, he had nothing to gain from his death except more heat from the police. It wasn't even his fault and he was the only one trying to help get his money back. Dushane was uncharacteristically sloppy and stupid. Funny how all of the shit he's done over the seasons and that's what the police go after him for
It's not even about killing that dude it's where he did it. Why would you do that in the dudes crib after he's been ducking your calls you know it's bad news. In past seasons you saw they knew up forensics and plastic wrapping so blood doesn't get everywhere. Even Jaime knew about cutting nails so there's no DNA and gloves for finger prints
@@dannypitcherenterprises2414there was blood everywhere when someone else came to the apartment. He did not clean up the crime scene
The one part that really baffled me is when Dushane learns the cops are onto him after they find his prints linking him to Jeffrey's death by meeting his lawyer. His Solicitor literally says "DON'T GO ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR HOUSE" Right? Makes sense so Dushane visits Shelley's nail shop to get her help grabbing his passport and money so he can flee the country but remember the Solicitor also says "Don't send anyone closely connected to you." So they send Naomi to grab his things - She walks right passed the overwatching police and they don't notice, she manages to get in and out of his house without a single draw of attention at all and during this we cut to Dushane....literally watching her from the fence that goes around the apartment complex. I know he's desperate and rash but...he's not a total idiot, what was the point of that entire plan to get Naomi in there to grab his things instead of him if he's literally going to stand right next to it anyway and guess what- he gets spotted, like why would he be there and not just wait somewhere else and get Naomi to meet him via texting y'know, those burner phones they're all so fond of using. That part made 0 sense.
Totally agree: that made zero sense
I was thinking the same thing.
I feel like they made the character stupid on purpose so they can kill him off because they didn’t know what to do with him instead so they focused on sully and Jamie’s brother.
The writers lacking on that one for real
I actually thought he would survive and we would get a scene off him living somewhere abroad and fully retired
Dushane was desperate to retire, and losing Jamie hit him harder than expected thats why he agreed to the Nail shop Idea, he really thought he can walk away, money in the bank and still get regular payments from the Road to help him live a different life, so he took his eye off the ball and Sully took over as Top Boy, which meant Dushane had to follow not lead for the first time in the show thats why he felt different this season.
Good summary
Yeah i agree. Add his love of money which was mentioned quite a few times and then losing that money made him unravel
People keep talking about his love of money but they all love money every single character. That's why they're all drug dealers. Also, when dushane was in Jamaica he wasn't money hungry. It was more about pride when he got looked down on by the guy from summmerhouse
Well said. That and the fact that his money just got stolen overnight. Really confusing that people dont get that
Nah…. He went crazy and sloppy when he lost that 15 mil. desperation at its finest. He was at his wits end. Even when he killed Jeffrey- leaving prints, the weapon, everything else! All out the ordinary with him! He lost all his bearings in the face of adversity. Not a good look.
He was desperate and broke, you cannot realistically be a kingpin for long and that’s what they’re trying to show you in all of these shows. He was especially hopeless after the death of his retirement plan (Jamie) and his mother. It was over from the end of last season for him
You're right.
Snowfall
Power
Breaking bad
The wire
Boardwalk empire
Some of the shows are better written than others but they all end the same when the time comes. The fall of the kingpins kingdom
this is the thing people think you can run things forever you just cant the road will always catch up with you
Wrong, my husband was a kingpin for 23 years and retired, we live good now. This is a myth, you watch too much tv
@@monicaex724 I hear you random RUclips channel. This is RUclips I can tell you I am bill gates rn and you’d never know if I wasn’t so I hear you.
@@monicaex724kingpin cause he sold coke to your neighbors… yeah ok.
Dushane was mentally checked out of game. He was already transitioning into retirement mode. The fact that the transition wasn’t going smoothly forced a desperation out of him.
Dushane’s ending was not at all bad. The script was actually accurate. His ending is the ending most kingpins have, either dead like a roadkill or in jail for life, look at Escobar, Chapo, etc. When you’re at the top of the drug game, everyone wants your position, its only a matter of time until you end up like all your other victims. One cannot sleep with one eye open for a lifetime.
One thing I haven’t seen anyone comment about yet is how exhausted Dushane seemed. Undoubtedly, being on high alert for so long does take its toll. One thing Top Boy makes an excellent job in doing is depicting how stressful the life is, how the characters are always stressed, almost never at ease, a great reflection of how that life is.
Why is el mencho not in prison
what i hate most is how they made Lizzy out to be this galaxy brain genius girl 😭
true she was the worst of the worst--shouln't have gotten away with her handbag...zero moral fiber--and she wins. guess they were just too busy figuring out how not to give the wrong message about the male criminals to get around to her. someone should have though...
She wasn't made a genius. Dushane and her husband were made dumb
She wasn't a genius she just ran off with the money...and I think killing Jaime triggered it for her because she brought him in and even in season 2 she was trying to conspire with him. She probably thought she was next 😅
@@user-rv9hp6bo3yyeah that last line 💯they had dushanes money for ages in a trust and could of run wasn't until he was freaking out wanting it immediately that they split
@@user-rv9hp6bo3y What do you mean she wasn't a genius? She brokered everything, she survived everyone, she came out on top, clean, even got rid of her husband through Dushane. Even if by accident in a lot of cases, she still won. Nobody on road who's left except maybe Jaq even knows she exists, the lawyers and bankers don't care so long as they get paid and Dushane will take the wrap for most of it. However you try and spin it, she played the game perfectly, knew her place, got in and got out when she needed to, had her hand on the most important lever at all times - the money.
The only way that they could kill him off is for the writers to make him dumber. The old dushane would’ve make much better decisions.
Nope they could leave him smart and end up dying from a heart attack while running from the cops
He had 15 million stolen in a blink of an eye, he knows he has heart problems but not told anyone and all his plans for his money has no gone, everything he was planning is no longer possible and loosing all that money puts him back to square one, the guy just lost it. Are people forgetting what a breakdown is ? A breakdown is where someone is having a terrible time in life and don't make decisions like they normally do
@@D-A-A- exactly. The end
@bozza6056 that's some truth right there. R.I.P Jeffrey 😂
@@savagedaniel5297that's what should've happened left him smart md off Lizzie nd that got his money then when he's running from sully or the cops for killing Jeffrey to get away he has a heart attack or maybe him and sully running together he has a heart attack sully gets out with the money goes countryside gets a yard then jacqs Ms him off
What was the point of giving him heart problems?
He constantly grabbed his chest until after he killed Lizzie husband after he let out all that rage and frustration he finally thought clearly but it was too late
Yup they should‘ve let him die off a heart attack instead of him running away from sully
They couldve linked SOO many things together.
1. The Irish mob could've been somehow related to Lizzie. It just ties in perfectly.
2. Dushane kills Jeferrey and his heart plays up as it did, but this is where he can't stand, clean his prints without dropping things, walk straight, or even think.
3. Sully killing Jamie meaning all the ex fields/ZT's just stop shotting for him. Sullys on top with a bunch of food he can't move quick enough.
4. The true downfall, Sully can't move the food, Dushane pulled a "Dris" of sorts where his health means his flopping on jobs, Lizzie and The Irish Mob basically owning them both.
I think they could've linked it like this - was still an okay season but just felt rushed
The stress of the life he lived he lost a lot all the time even though he came out on top the stress got to him mainly after his mum died and Dris got shot and didn’t help with him ending with Shelley, heart Attacks didn’t kill him off but showed his stress/anxiety well
One of the reasons for his demise, mental breakdown, and desire to retire as he knew he had health problems that he had to deal with but didn't want to
Ppl wanna call it bad writing bc they didn’t get the outcome they wanted. Think about it from dushanes shoes; he went from top boy with everything, money, his family, power and respect. To bottom tier, having to go through sully and having less say than even jaq did. His money, gone. His family, gone. Dushane had it all ripped from him. Had no hands to play. And when you have nothing, your true colours show. People have been saying dushanes evil for 4 seasons now. Been equating him to sully all this time. When sully had the power and dushane lost it, we saw how evil dushane really was.
The outcome wasn’t the problem it was the build up
@@myles5450 so your mad it was anti climactic. But that’s reality. His kingdom came down in the first episode. Retirement plan gone, savings gone, power, gone. He was desperate from episode one. If u don’t remember he expressed multiple times he didn’t wanna be running the streets into old age. He had shown multiple times he was desperate to make enough and set himself up to get out. That’s what he wanted from day one. When everything he’d built for himself got taken away, your left with a desperate and evil man. That’s it. So I’m sorry he didn’t go out in some big heroic fashion, but that’s kind of sullys doing.
But he's used to being in that situation. Every season has dushane behind the eight ball and he never just implodes like this. He was in arguably a more desperate situation when he was in Jamaica. Or when Jamie with modie were gunning for him and sully. Or when he lost 40 racks worth of bobby raikes product. You're just coping with how out of character dushane was acting in order for you to enjoy the show and that wasn't even the only egregious development in that season
@@MylezRapZyou first sentence showed you didn’t read his comment. He literally says it’s the build up not the outcome. Outcome meaning climatic or anti climatic. I agree with you how fast things fell with Dushanbe but all in all it was still rushed if I’m not mistaken he lost his money, his girl, and empire in the last 3 episodes. The riot itself was filler when we could of seen Dushane’s decent into madness or Sully running the gang longer and how he isn’t a leader more a doer literally lol. The Irish was filler bro for the last season the only good things were the reality that the cycle of violence continues
@@MariYolo ur confused
Crazy how many people are trying to excuse bad writing because they like the show.
Facts like it was way too rushed and half of it was the immigration police or steff getting std medication like who cares about that woke shit
Or maybe people have different opinions. Just an idea.
@lukemchale5590 there's such a thing as writing rules and skill. This was simply poor and out of character why on earth would Jaq rob Sully in a fit of rage? That makes no sense. Sure she was mad but she would never go and bite the hand that feeds her!
@@lukemchale5590 it's a bad idea because it's speaking to something different than what I've specified.
@@Nicholas-Prince-Milverton reminds me of Game of thrones season 8 when everyone became stupid and started acting uncharacteristically.
There were flaws in Dushane's season 3 arc, but I actually think the weakness and lack of purpose were the best parts of it. In Shelley, he had someone to leave his previous life behind for, he had something that he could have loved more than power. He was able to back down from Sully so easily, because he didn't need respect and status on the roads anymore, as long as had respect and status in Shelley's eyes. The tragedy is, while Shelley thought that he loved money more than her, I think that he actually loved money because of the respect he thought that it brought him from people, especially her. He doesn't understand that she loves him regardless of money or power, and so he pursues those things in an attempt to elevate himself in her eyes, and in doing so he pushes her away by making her think that he loves them more than her.
When he steps back, he loses his old purpose, but that's ok while he can still provide for and be adored by Shelley. When he loses the money, in his eyes he has lost that ability to do that, which makes him feel purposeless and embarrassed. He can't admit to Shelley that anything is wrong because he mistakenly believes that will make him lesser in her eyes, so he lashes out. Tragically, this drives her away, truly robbing him of purpose. Devoid of purpose he behaves recklessly and erratically, desperately trying to feel strong again. If he had just been able to admit his failings and had the bravery to be weak in front of Shelley things might have been different.
Everything you said was spot on! Dushane deserved much more this season literally nothing went his way. His death saddened me more than Sully’s.
"nothing went his way" That's the whole point. You can't be the top boy forever. He lost everything, was desperate and died like any other thug. Deservedly so!
Glad you agree!
@@brotherjohnnyxXxX Exactly my thoughts! You cannot come out on top in the long run if you continue that lifestyle. In the end, that way of life leaves you to your death.
dushane fucked everyone over
sully was loyal as long as no one broke the code
none of their deaths saddened me, in fact i felt relief when they died. i might be in the minority but these 2 are obviously evil people. seeing them slowly slip from greatness was not only poetic but also satisfying
I think Dushane's demise was perfect. This was a kingpin, leader, rich drug lord that had it all but then due to desperation, he started to think illogically, started to due things that Sully would in the very first season.
All his murders, theft, thug lifestyle eventually came back to haunt him and he does as he killed many people, in a pool of blood on the streets. Sad but fitting.
It has to be a believable demise tho. You can't just hit characters with the idiot stick when they've been portrayed as calculating and intelligent so you can further the plot. That's what they did with dushane, jaq, kieron, that kid that sold drugs to jaqs sister, the Irish chicks husband, Jonny, and tagh
@@FencingMessiahpersonally I think it is. Mainly because of a line Shelly says to him during the last episode. Saying he loves money and power. And he lost those both . I think the point is getting missed by a lot if people. Maybe all along he was being held up by those factors alone. Not ever being prepared for what could happen if it all got stripped away, which wouldn’t make him as intelligent we believe, just summerhouse smart. Yes it could have been better but overall this season is getting too much hate.
Dushane is not money hungry. He had all his wealth stripped when he was vanished to Jamaica and he was fine selling rental cars. It was only until he was looked down on by a guy from summerhouse that he decided to get back in the game.
@@lukemchale5590that quote from her is awful and the way she delivered it almost makes it seem as if she didnt want to say it she essentially broke up with him because he didnt pay for the nail shop the writing was terrible bro even sully irl was fighting with directors over the script
Terrible writing, awful decision making
I thought they were gonna tie in the Irish gang with Lithe an Lizzie an have an all out war but that was wasted...an who gives someone they just met a few months ago 16 mill lol
Yeah that would have been good!
exaaaaaaaaactly...especially when Dushane has a history throughout the series of bringing people's children and other family members into the mix when he does business with them. There's no way he's gonna let some old white lady take all of his money without knowing where she lives, where all of her family members live, etc. Additionally, Jeffrey would not have Lizzie's name exclusively on the papers and the accounts.
Exactly. And washing all his cash in one place
I personally felt like the characters losing their purpose was one of the themes of the final season? With Dushane we were seeing both the emotional stress and physical health problems of living that lifestyle finally catch up with him and he starts to implode hence him being way more wreckless and stupid before.
I feel like Dushane became more like old Sully and Sully became more like old Dushane this season
Definitely!
💯💯💯
The reason he died so suddenly wasn't just the bullet but probably his heart gave way even sully was surprised one shot to the ribs took the whole wind out of Dushane and he bleed out so quickly.
i don’t know man the bullet could’ve hit the lower lung. and it don’t take no surgeon to know that would take the wind out of you
I feel like the wroters could have done more with dushane. Honestly felt nothing major happened.
This season felt so weird and the writing was awful. The atmosphere wasnt there at all, the scenes were too bright and all compared to top boy season 1 & 2. Weird ending, to kill sully without knowing
I didn't mind the characters doing stupid things as having mental breakdowns and losing your bearings and grasp of your reality i thought was one of the themes of the final season. However i hated all the Hollywood type action sequences completely unrealistic.@@doves9204
The writing was terrible in this series period. They rushed the series and compacted in 6 episodes.
Can we all agree that since Aubrey has become executive producer it turned a bit shit?
Exactly what I said. Drake curse alive and well
No he wasn't weak he done a great job as an actor, and a boss no one is one sided in this life. People are very bipolar you have to be to get things done weather you like it or not... Good plot all round and it ended perfectly... this is the roads.
Lol ok big man, drink ya milk 😂😂
As someone who grew up in london and lived there 20+ years around a similar environment, top boy summerhouse was so much more realistic and grounded and the dark tone of it all suits londons ghettos so well, but the Netflix series seems to fake to me, dushane was willing to do whatever to stay on top but just lets sully take over plus I totally agree a complete change in deshane didnt sit right with me I personally think being the shortest series everything was sooo rushed so many loose ends and storylines that just lead to nowhere such as the curtis’s sister from Liverpool i was really hoping to see retaliation from curtis but nothing? And same with the irish this session they were wiped out by ep3 ultimately this season was way to short to be the end but i guess Netflix said fuck it
Totally agree with all your takes.
They made Dushane crash out like Franklin Saynt in Snowfall season 6.
Great analysis, i think Dushane wanting to retire anyway is why he let sully to do what he did.
Losing 16 mil also had his head scrambled. Dushane has flown off the handle plenty of times in the series, like when his brother got tortured and then he went to bottle the guy lool ...Dushanes love of money can also not be understated.. look how erratic he was moving.
dese niggas be moving wrong gots to be broken off...
They did him similar like Ghost from power. From being a thinker at first to a person that makes horrible decisions in the end.
It's a shame - I understand that he was struggling because he lost everything, but he's dealt with a lot of trouble in the past and managed to overcome it in different ways. Something we saw no signs of in this season
@@BrainPilot I completely agree
damn i just started watching that show too. 😂thank you for spoiling
@@Dianae580 My fault. 🤦🏾♂️😂 It’s still a good watch though.
@@jahquanflyboy it's ok 😂 you didn't reveal too much.
Netflix: Top Boy
1. What happened to Dushane’s heart condition? He sure was doing a lot of running under stress with heavy baggage.
2. Dushane has been thoroughly killing and moving strategically throughout the series, but now that he’s older and wiser why would he sloppily murder Jeffery? Why would Jeffery stay around and open the door when Dushane explicitly stated he would kill him if he didn’t find his money?
3. Why would Jaq rob Sully so stupidly? No exit plan. Didn’t destroy drugs?
4. Lauren named her baby Jaq, but no one knows.
5. Irish mob retribution?
6. What happened to Sully’s cousin Bashy?
7. Who killed Sully?
8. Why would Aaron leave Stef behind? Would he have not taken care of him like Jamie would have wanted?
9. What happened to Summerhouse after the riot?
10. What happened to the girl that’s got hit by the police car?
S1 & S2: 9/10
S3: 5/10 - Rushed, Lazy writing… Cheated fans and themselves of a potential classic.
1. feel the same, i think they only wanted to show how stressful that life as being a top boy has been and the heart condition helped us see the buildup to the downfall of dushane but it would be way better if that condition led him getting caught by the police instead of getting killed by sully in such a senseless way, sully being dead & dushane getting life in prison would be a way darker ending & would give a much more greater lesson since it's the only 2 ways you can end up living that type of a lifestyle
2. no one knows. just bad writing
3. same with 2
4. it was great, made me sad watching it. it's like jamie killing kit but nobody knows. that's some shit that can happen irl too, so was great to watch. lauryn naming her baby jack & jaq would be happy to hear that but since she overdosed nobody will know it ever and it was very depressing to witness that. i like it
5. -
6. i don't even think that's important
7. think it was a bad choice to not show the killer in the end but the open ending just lets you see & consider the amount of opps sully really has. it could be stef, aaron, jaq, the irish, some guy from the past. it's a consequence of living that lifestyle again
8. he has always been a selfish guy but i heard actor wanted to leave the show himself, so i think they did their best. wouldn't help aaron's arc too if he stayed so him leaving made him a more realistic character in my eyes
9. -
10. isn't important again, it's just a child you've seen for a couple scenes and her getting hit by a car just let the riots go crazier. that was the whole point
He was extremely desperste and powerless all season
Compared to the others especially!
tha'ts a great analysis and for sure it's like we only got half a season this time out. he did have a measure of moral fibre at one point and its as if they closed out the story at the expense of a well constructed charactor. Obviously he can't win and neither could Sully but both might have gone out in a more noble way--just as they were portrayed to be. thanks you have answered a few things for me very well. just because crime doesn't pay does not mean you have to die with flies on your face lol cheers clive
Dushane had a massive character assassination this season. His composure & intelligence were replaced by brashness & impulse. His sense of purpose was absent for laziness and empty threats. His descent into desperation was too quick of an arc especially when there was no consequence to show for his onset anxiety-inducing chest pains and increased heart palpitations since season 2; he should've been in the emergency room after running through the city like a track star bro got legs ngl.
I felt his arc should've been like this:
1) he calls on the help of acquaintances to help him track down the old lady who stole his money
2) takes his money back and shoots the 2 bitches that took his money, then bury their bodies
3) threatens Jeff to stay quite, deny all elements of his partnership and have Dushane's men constantly monitor him
4) Dushane takes the money to give to his girlfriend to keep his promise
5) Dushane gathers up his gang to go and confront Sully so he can be the boss again
6) Sully relents and they both work together to go and raid the Irish and take back the food
7) After the raid, Dushane gets overconfident and gets blind to Sully's intentions, that's when Sully betrays him and they drag each other out into the forest, Dushane tries to run but his chest pains catch up to him so he gives up
8) Dushane and Sully have their final conversation, Dushane still steps up to Sully and forces him to shoot, Sully shoots Dushane into a ditch, but Dushane is the last one smiling
If Dushane's arc went out more like this, in keeping with his character's personality and strengths, the season would've been a lot better.
I hear that but I think we finally got to see a bit of Sully in Dushane and visa versa. The see me on a level line was relevant as Sully had always been in his shadow, but now we know they are both capable of strategic thinking, and irrational violence.
@@ceceo9480 ok, sure Dushane can lash out in anger and kill Jeff, but at the very least he should have called cleaners to come clean up the body and remove his fingerprints. Dushane still had money leftover he could’ve used in that situation.
It’s a real DuShame
😂
The murder would have been more robust if him getting caught was a result of an oversight or a degree of complacency despite taking the sort of precautions one would expect of him, and then that compounded further deterioration and reckless behaviour because that element of self doubt and loss of control further sets in. The lizzy and lithe thing could have also been undertaken in a manner where he wasn't completely finessed so he doesn't look dumb but also appears flawed. Something symbolic of a man whose head isn't in the game because he wants out so bad. I think the core beats were appropriate overall but the season being so bitesize prevented the show from having the necessary depth to fulfil its character arcs and ambitions.
I hear you brother but remember Dushane lost his cousin and his mum, plus he's always been obsessed with making quick money to get to the Top whatever means necessary, that theme has always been in his mindset to be the Top Boy since the Summerhouse seasons, even in Season 3 (Season 1) you saw that he desperately called the police to snitch when he purposely used Ats (a 13 year old kid) to drop the bag in Jamie's house just to desperately defeat Jamie and his gang,
breaking the street Code that he's meant to live by that just speaks volumes what kid of man Dushane is that he would stoop low to get more money and whatever means possible to do it.
This is why some of the fans were saying if it wasn't for the Albanians, Dushane would've kill Michael for snitching (not just because he snitched but because that younger was a liability to his business)
When it got to the final season he came to a cross roads and the walls was closing in on him, he lost a whole 2.1 million bruv, plus have two con people play him up and run away with his money, he battered Jeffery to death with a frying pan...., he was a wanted man feds was on to him, he dropped Jaq for the bag of drugs and even shot a younger who got in his way, Dushane always had that desperate evil in him it just came to the surface when he lost everything, when you lose what you love you turn reckless for it which is why it lead him that way, I believe if roles was reversed Dushane would've probably shoot Sully to get back his drugs as well.
A few things were weird, Dushane stole the 25 keys when half of them were his. He could have took his 12.5 keys & offered that up for payment to get to turkey first before trying to steal it. Also he's been so smart in all the other seasons but he decides to give lyfe every single dollor he has? If u got 16 mill ur not gonna give it all to one person, ur gonna put a few mill up in a safe for an instance like this
I can believe he recklessly murdered Jeffrey,
Because he did kill Lesta impulsively in Jamaica in Topboy S1 without thinking about the consequences - and then had to try and navigate his way out of that mess and Donovan was killed
I don’t mind most of Dushane’s. Downward’s spiral but him not cleaning the crime scene and not looking to wipe the damn cameras was completely out of character. It didn’t make sense to me.
It bad rushed writing
Yeah that was something that bugged me - because there's no reason why he wouldn't sort it out
The only thing I liked about the writing was how Dushanes true character was revealed. How selfish and arrogant he was. His estate tried to prevent one of his loyal employees from being deported and he got upset about it. His neurotic behaviour to try and bully and intimidate people into doing his bidding ended up backfiring each time.
That was bullshit tho. Last season he fought for the people in the buildings to not be relocated. He also fought to get justice for ats death. He also basically saved jaqs sister from death by sully. This season he doesn't give a fuck about them
So? Kieron is illegal, also the fact is their making a lot of noise which is bringing a lot of attention to Summerhouse. Also, Dushane was only complaining to Jaqi not anyone else, because he is right why is Jaqi who is a drug dealer getting involved she is not an ordinary innocent person. Also the riot protest eventually resulted in his downfall as he couldn’t escape. Also he helped last season because it is an issue which he can handle with his power. But trying to save Kieron is going against the cops themselves which is what you should try and avoid as a criminal.
Dushame became more reckless like Sully and Sully became more coolheaded like Dushane
Dushane was nowhere near his prime this season and at his lowest quite frankly but the show did a good job at portaying that. Can't be in your prime forever. Especially on the streets
It reminded me of what happened to Franklin in snowfall....really good characters that were so intelligent but couldn't manage their funds. No exit strategy
Yah Dushane reminded me of a younger Michael corleone (godfather) at first. Always looking at things from a birds eye view. Even though he was still a villain, he smart and crafty. But this season 😮his irrational decision making, not seeing the Forest for the trees in a sense. It just seemed like he started letting all the distractions get to him. The main focused should of been to get the money back from the accountant. And your right his downfall was killing Jeffrey and not 🧹 the scene. I was like wtf?!? When I seen the cleaning lady come in, I was like ok he sent a professional, NOPE she was the actual housecleaner 😆
Franklin Saint vibes dame 😢
Did anybody else think Netflix were splitting the season up originally like they’ve done with other shows and were massively disappointed when it was just over😢
That's true actually, I never thought of it like that. But I can understand why some people might have considering it was only six eps!
All you’re seeing is that he was no longer a monster he was food
That’s a cool way of putting it!
Top Boy ended how the road life usually ends, unexpected and without warning!
Dushane is always smart and level headed
Season 1, 2 and 3 was phenomenal. Season 4 but especially 5 sucked. Felt like some B-listed action movie and the realism just vanished. Ridiculous.
If you consider some of the most iconic on screen gangsters have all had similar fates. Tony Montana, Carlito Brigante, Avon Barksdale, Franklin Saint, Henry Hill and now Dushane Hill and Sully, all had sticky endings. In fact Tony Soprano’s story was based on his on going unraveling due to his mental health. It’s a narrative convention for the gangster protagonist to come to an untimely demise.
Big facts
It's not about the ending that people have problems with. It's how sloppily they rushed to get to that ending where the characters felt like they were doing certain actions to further the plot or theme rather than living realistically
@@FencingMessiah it’s the unraveling where the commentator discusses the questionable decisions in the show it could be said it’s a narrative convention of the genre even if the season does feel rushed.
The thing I liked about top boy was how when they thought of a plan it would only make things worse until it snowballs into a huge problem then is finally solved by dushane in the end doing something unlikely. Like season 1 when they try to kidnap kamales brother and sully kills him by mistake.
Because the writing was bad.
Lazy writing looking for an end without any clear ideas.
Facts idk what happened to this show smh so many things didn’t make sense in this season
They dropped to many storylines and characters that never returned
If that’s what you think bad writing is then you must not watch much, bc it was easily passable compared to the state of tv these days
Yeah it's been bad for awhile. Drake curse
Dushane wanted change, after Jamie's death, the business with Shelly was the new exit strategy.
Yes i can agree with your points in the video. Dushane was strategic in pass season only to be more off base in this new one. The writing was rushed and many things lefted either unanswered or unneccasary
When I saw sully shoot Dushane I said to my partner if sully wanted to kill him he would have shot him dead I actually thought he got him in the leg. The death was fine but I didn’t like that dushane was whimpering as he bled out and also it made no sense because we didn’t find out how Shelly felt about the loss
He went through it this season damnnn
He did indeed!
Anyone else think it was weird how the police had board with him on it as "top boy" and that plot just completely disappeared
Yeah that was a weird one!
That part
Of the him falling off n over the gate, was symbolic of him falling of the thrown n into hell n death..
In my opinion, dushane starts to act loose because of a change of mindset. Already obsessed with his retirement plan before, he once was Top boy, in this season he was just rich and chilling with his girl.... now about Shelley, a woman who accepted him for what he was, who was his good side, used to take care of his mother, now she starts to make big plans for her chain on his money, it felt also like a switch for me, could explain why he started to see and treat her differently
This assessment seems pretty off to me. His “heart problems” were panic attacks, showing his lifestyle was affected him mentally in a way he wasn’t willing to confront. There was no need for it to have some big climactic physical manifestation - the point was to show how the life affected his mental health and that he wasn’t immune to these issues no matter how tough he felt (also providing a good contrast to Sully’s mental processing).
As far as the radical shift in how he treated his girlfriend, well yeah, his entire self image was built around the idea of being a man who could always provide, so he couldn’t cope when he wasn’t able to be that person anymore.
I do agree on some things tho - like why would someone that smart put ALL his money in one place (guess smart people can be naive though)? And the murder of Jeffery was super sloppy. I get they were intentionally trying to make him act a bit out of character just to illustrate his rage, but someone like Dushane would’ve collected themselves after and cleaned up the scene properly.
Dushane sort of reminded me of Ghost from power, in the later seasons his ego became so big, he didn’t treat anyone with respect An was all out for himself an he was eventually delt with for that
This is easy to dissect for Dushane's character. Dushane's whole world came tumbling down starting with the death of his mum.
Then it escalated with Shelly leaving him, making him feel vulnerable, alone and *DESPERATE!*
Aint no happy endings in the drug game- the street would claim characters like Sully & Dushane.
Now, i cant reconcile the heart ting and those 2 undercover cops building a cSe against him, snatching Reuben to testify against Dushane. Those were bad loopholes.
But everything else shows the descent to madness for Dushane.
I can’t lie it was sad to me how Dushane went out from being on top of his game to dying in an alley, crazy part is if he didn’t kill Jeffrey he would’ve found Lithe and Lizzy that investigator was closing in on them then he snapped and changed the direction he’s usually so composed and on point but this season he was off it was almost like all the pressure and everything just finally got to him and he lost himself even when he stole the bags from jaq he literally stayed in summerhouse instead of having some sort of exit plan he could’ve made the play and drove off or have someone waiting for him instead he stuck around I duno they rushed the last season and tried to fit too much in only 6 episodes
How it went for Dushane, made sense, his last resort for his retirement plan vanished beneath him, from that point it was a downward spiral, being desperate and moving shabby
We just all saw a desperate Dushane who lost his way.
I found it weird that everyone you wouldn’t expect to move like snakes, they all did over a bags of kilos.
Dushane has been desperate before and he never acted this way. He even killed Bobby raikes to save sully. Save sully from rafe and again saved sully from the pekam gang
They made Dushane so soft in the Netflix reboot, they made him so soft, , why would he not immediately kill Jamie? it literally made so sense.
This whole season just felt like "let's just wrap this whole thing up in the fastest way possible" with no real thoughts to setups and payoffs.
I don't know what the point of any of this was and it became impossible to take any of it seriously when he started to clean up the crime scene and then didnt?
But "I'm not going to prison Sully", nothing made sense really
Some people change as they grow older and mature. They realise different things in life are important. So for me, his character change was fine. However, killing Jeffrey like that didn’t make sense to me.
Also, I was a bit confused with the money situation. Did he leave every penny he had with Lizzie and Lithe? I thought he would’ve had money elsewhere as well. That didn’t make sense to me.
This season was about Sully being in charge. So Dushane didnt need to be the main gangster..in the other seasons it was Sully who was more withdrawn and didn't say much
That's fair!
Dushane Should Have Never Trusted Anyone Else With His Money!
He Should Have Had A Secret Residence That “No One” Else Knew About & Have It In A Different Name!
And 1st & Foremost, He Should Have Had An Exit Plan From The Start That He Kept To Himself!
He Trusted The Wrong People & Died Damn Near In The Gutter 🤦🏾♂️!
He changed cause shit just wasn’t going his way. He lost all his money to lizzie and his power to sully. He had whole plan for his future and is was all ruined in no time. They just showed that even he could break if he lost everything. They also wanted to end the series so he needed to have downfall like this.
Every season dushane has been in a jam. This wasn't even the worst one and he has never acting this ridiculously. There is no way he could have built a criminal empire and not understand how to kill someone without making it so easy for you to get caught.
It was expected that him and sully weren't gonna have good endings, but he wouldn't have been this pathetic.
Thing is i think its realistic in a way, the man experienced some tragic losses, which can effect a man. Plus losing £16m quid will do things to a mans brain. That was the final stripping of his strength.
People fail to realize that dushanes love for money is what did him in
It’s expressed many times throughout the show
We always see him
Calculated and strategic when it comes to things but this was a situation he really had no control over
16 million is a lot of money to just lose in the blink of an eye
It was out of his control
And it was nothing he could really do it about it
Which is why he snapped and murdered jefferey
Even tho it wasn’t jeffereys fault
Jefferey is who brought him in on the summerhouse estate redevelopment
So in a way he blames him
Not to mention him being married to Lizzie
When Jeffery tells him his moneys gone
He knows that’s it
Which is why he snapped
The one thing he loved that he no longer had caused him to do something we never thought we’d see him do which ultimately was his downfall
You gotta understand he’s older , he’s tired, he did all that work to get that money all those sacrifices, murders, he lost all fight when he got it taken, doing all that to get to the top then losing it all will make a man desperate and totally different
The heart thing was him having an anxiety attack not an actual heart problem
Think you’re giving the writers a lot of credit. This season was like the last season of GoT. A lot of the decisions were made to be subversive rather than smart.
Everyone was different in season three Jaq stole 15 keys from Sully like tf was she thinking 😂
If I lost 15 million I’d be acting ruthless
This season was just sad no happiness for none of the characters 😢
After all that they did... he offs a guy in a fit of rage and then he doesnt even clean up the scene? like what is going on. You dont need to be criminal mastermind to at least try to do a good job. They found his prints there on everything and also DNA. This was just bad bad bad writing. They could have made him clean it up and find some DNA behind the nails of the victim or what ever. It was just dumb.
Did they ever say why he ended up in jamaica.or why sully ended up arrested
Dushane definitely didnt lose every last bit of fight in him!! He literally smacked up jax and robbed sully (an absolute psychopath) right at the end. Before that he killed Jeffrey!! And he got into a shootout with the irish!! Definitely still had a fight in him!!
Sully helped him with the Irish he wasnt on his own and not only that rewatch the scene back, Dushane deffo has second foughrs before they start shooting the Irish, the old woman reminds him of his mum
...Ive fought bigger women that that...
Now why df Chelly would even wanna open all those shops at once😒
More money I suppose
Dushane lost his drive it’s why he was so different S1 and summer house he was hungry to be on top make money do what he needed to do now he wanted to step back from the road when the money was right losing everything he worked for on the streets due to liz disappearing he just kinda gave up idk if it’s bad writing but the fact he didn’t clean up the scene after killing Jeffery due to knowing if he was even gonna make it out anyway without the money and it’s so true dushane has been in these situations so many times yet he loses all ability to fix it like he could for someone else he has no responsibility for himself but would treat people around him very intelligently it was a crazy season and a sad end to a legend
It's a similar parallel with Franklin from Snowfall...he was smart and strategic up until he lost all his money....desperation makes you illogical
1:24 I actually thought it was very in character for him to step down, they set that up in season 2, he was stressed and wanted to step back and let someone else take over so he could live a more peaceful life with Shelley. He wanted the new top boy to be Jamie but when sully killed him he was still happy to let sully take over as long as he got his cut.
Yeah I was really rooting for Dushane, it was sad for me to see him deteriorate like that
So true!
All the plots from before must’ve been changed so much they deffo had other plans but actors and other people probaly had their say and it changed
💯 agree, Dushanes character thrown under the bus
Yeah I felt he was more intelligent than they gave him credit for
The producers of top boy should do a dallas..... and have that last season be a dream
Dushane felt different because he was in Limbo he thought he had made it to the End Him and Shelly was going into the business No looking back but that B stole All his Money and sent him into a Tailspin that Ended with his Brother killing him and dieing in a Trashbin not him and Shelly but him and Sully.
I absolutely agree with how he acted with Shelly was out of character. I also don’t think he would kill Jeff, at least not in the manner he did.
I like to Compare Dushane to Franklin Saint in that we saw them both go from seemingly having it all together to crashing and burning in the worst ways possible, only difference is Franklin’s downfall was more drawn out and gradual, Dushane’s downfall was rapid.
it almost seems like they tried to do what snowfall did with franklin but they fucked up bc franklin and dushane are so different from each other
They should have said Dushane was having neurological issues instead of breathing issues
Then it would have made sense with him losing his mind and becoming much more reckless
That still wouldn't explain the ridiculous mistakes a handful of other characters made. Show full of shortbus types
@@FencingMessiah I felt one of the themes of the final season was the characters starting to have mental breakdowns after a life of violence and extreme stress finally took its toll. I didn't mind this part so much i hated the dumb Hollywood action scenes more than anything
This is just headcannon tho. It's cope. That's kind of nuance is not being portrayed by the characters. They are just randomly acting out based on emotions with no thought to how that will affect them and how convenient for them all to have mental breakdowns when the show wants to get rid of a couple characters for a big finale
Bro come on there's clearly more to it than the characters all just randomly acting dumb for no reason. We saw the characters losing things important to them, reflecting back on their lives then doing irrational acts as response. Jaq in particular we saw reflecting on her life as a drug dealer after her own drugs she sells took the life of her sister and left her with custody of the baby, she now has a new purpose and a new outlook on life which has completely fucked her head as selling drugs and street life is all she's ever known. she know wants a new life is desperate to get out but has no idea how to do it she feels trapped and people when feeling trapped often do crazy irrational things@@FencingMessiah
People change and can get sloppy. You can’t expect someone to be on point 24/7
For me it was the abrupt nature of it
I kinda like the character swap Dushane been on top too long we needed something new
That’s fair!
Dushane lost it like Tony Montana towards the end of Scarface
At least tony Montana was hindered by extreme drug abuse
I felt a little sorry for him at the end because he wanted out and just needed the money to make her happy. But lots of things kept on spiralling. He went from being organised to sloppy in this season. He reminded me of Franklin Saint in the last season of snowfall, where he just had everything then lost his control, lost everything. I really thought he was going to get caught and get life, but I think they wanted to leave it so they’re dead and can’t ever bring it back.
I think it was too hurried. Jaq too - these moves made zero sense, even though people can give an 'explanation' as to why the characters made the decisions they made. I would have preferred to have seem their demise through their weak/blind spots instead of uncharacteristic actions
I feel like everything you mentioned in this video almost describe the very depression Dushane was going through with the lost of his mum, everything with sully and all else and because of that we got a "new" Dushane this season. Sully is the monster that never changed and always stayed true were Dushane was someone else for 4 season but this season showed who he really was to his core. That even intelligence can become a front, a magic trick and skill but if you lose who you are then it doesn't matter anymore intelligence becomes your downfall.
I think the show just changes the character traits around when they want to go for a different season theme. Originally it was gritty and realistic. When they wanted you to feel bad for sully all of a sudden he's and animal lover and wants out of the life. When they want dushane to be a villain suddenly he's a cold money hungry demon. Nevermind how he treated ra'nell in earlier seasons or how he saved sully multiple times. They want sully to take dushanes spot then by teleportation or fast travel he finds where he's on a date with Shelley and knows to find him in the bathroom? Oh yeah and he completely forgets that dushane just earlier has saved his life from the pekam gang