One of the biggest problems I've had migrating from warbird combat to modern fighters in DCS is the BVR battle. It's been a steep learning curve, a curated training mission like this one is exactly what I've been looking for to get in multiple practice reps when time is an issue. Thanks plazma!
Awesome, glad you found it useful!!!! Happy to help let me know if i can do anything else to help or tweak to make better. Seeing folks are using and enjoying stuff i make inspires to keep going... Best way to support, hit the share button on this and other videos, send it out and like and comment.
I consider myself as experienced DCS pilot, so this one didn't give me too much new info. But the consistency and simplicity of the explanation is really amazing! Mostly you have to watch hours and hours videos and read countless articles to get this good lesson. Well done, really good job.
I defeated the no escape F-16!! Took me long enough, but I finally beat him in my F-18. I started by flying 12,000 ft below the Viper. When I saw the missile launch, I attempted a left bank then immediately realized it wouldn't work, so I switched to a right-hand barrel roll. To my surprise, the missile missed me (58 ft was the closest distance) Despite the "veteran" F-16 desperately pulling 7Gs and dumping chaff, I quickly turned around and splashed him with a fox 3 shot from my Hornet. 🙏Thank you plazma for the detailed and comprehensive tutorial vid + training mission! I also got Tacview today after watching this video, and it's stunning how cool the software is
Julian I am very glad you kicked ass in this training mission. Kudos and well done I think I Beat the no escape only a couple of times myself so really outstanding and well done. 👍❤️
I learned notching and cranking and i never really questioned methods i was taught. I just accept them as-is. Thank you for explaining in depth how to evade radar missile I had seen a Beryoza guide and the man basically said the same thing as you have - "No need to be scared of the missile. Just understand your RWR"
You, Plazma 1945, are an absolute, legendary GIGACHAD! Thank you for this amazing guide. As always putting your enemy in the “90° position” is the best thing you can do🤭
Ummm giga Chad , no that is Aarons job. Lol well enemies on the 90, juat for this video there are other tricks tooo... Now what i want to know did you survive a missile from each of the 3 difficulties?
@@plazma1945 I meant the other kind of 90° position if you get what I’m saying 😂. Anyways I usually notch only when I cross inside the MAR, it’s a last ditch for me.
@@giannizen3775 hehehehhhehheh :D - yup for me notch is phoenix and danger close move.. when I know I cant out run. now the 90 degree turn will out energy the missile to
Thx!!! ❤️😔🙏 let me.know if the video and the crappy diagrams i drew make sense! Look for the chapter in description on rwr. Ask questions and i can answer or make videos on topics too!
@@plazma1945 so, I tried a few times and the results are With the f15: I can do the easy f16's and sometimes de medium, avoiding the 15's are still a no go. With the su27/33 mig29 still no success. Anyway now I have a way to train consistently. Thanks again Man
@@lucasZr113 remember you are getting closer and closer with each enemy. so try to restart and launch the F15s or F16s MEDIUM or HARD ones .. and close in on them. I think by the time you are getting to the F15s they are much closer. Hit F10 once you spawn them in and see how far they are on the map from you.. thinking maybe you are too close?
LINK to download in Description ( Click Show More) 👆👆 1) hit me with questions in comments 2) hit like and share, 3) let me know if you defeated a no escape shot
Amazing! So many RUclipsrs do tutorials in custom scenarios, but it’s usually very hard to follow along because they don’t give us that scenario. This is absolutely fantastic, thank you!
Awesome did you download and try the map? Did you dodge missiles and, Ps don't forget to share a link to this video in Facebook groups or wherever else! Helps the channel! ❤️
@@plazma1945 Absolutely, the mission is awesome! I've gotten it down to even dodging the hard missile in the FA18 from time to time, although I'm having a harder time in the F16 because it's RWR seems a bit less practical. Absolutely fantastic training tool!
Did it work? and if it didnt try again. Remember as you get closer to the enemy aircraft you will be reducing the distance.. for the Fairest shot. fight one of them. then either back away fly bearing 130 then re engage again (see on F10 the arrows) .. or press SHIFT R to reset the map so your plane is back to its original position. if you get too close to the area where the fighters will spawn you wont have time to react.. Let me know how it worked out!!
@@plazma1945 Yep!!!!! I liked looking at the notch in TACView and seeing what happened. That let me see how close to 90 degrees off I was doing. Did the easy ones, now going to try the harder ones.
I didnt use this mission but i can tell that once i somehow didnt get killed by an no escape amraam in growling sidewinder. Although i was tree height and doing as i have been taught so most likely because i was so low. Tip : Radars from aircraft (less likely) and Radars from Missiles (very likely) will have trouble tracking you when your at tree kissing height. I dont remember if mr plazma said it in here but here the tip is. Also you can use terrain to hide from certain missiles that arent high enough (very usefull when youre way too close since radars cant track through terrain)
For the RWR..., it only has 30 degrees up and down (60 deg in total) relative to your aircraft and it's the same for all aircraft (unrealistic because each aircraft has it's own real RWR coverage, but ED doesn't care as usually).
Awesome. Download the attached map. Open in mission editor and save as new file. Just as the one final was posted before dcs 2.8 update. You can then go Into missions and fly the practice mission spawn in enemies and practice let me know how you do!
This is great! been running through it and with your explanation it's really helped. At the medium launch zone I'm able to defeat the single missile almost every time! Could you update the mission to include the JF-17 with it's active RADAR missiles? Those buggers are tricky sometimes.
thanks plazma for the great training mission! exactly what I've been needing as perfect noob... and as a perfect noob I can't understand If I have to start the avoiding maneuver when I get RWR missile warning OR when I see the missile launched by the enemy (as I understood the difficulty level is based on when the enemy would fire the missile, from max range, mid range and lethal range), I'm using simplified labels to better understand what I'm doing, so I can see when the missile gets off the enemy's rails...
@@plazma1945 I did! Unfortunately I travel a lot for work so I'm unable to play it soon. But rest assured I will! Thank you for putting this together for everyone.
Glad if it was helpful Dex, let me know if you were able to take on the hard enemy which launches at no escape.. I think only way to ditch him is to Notch notch notch or hide in the hills before you spawn him in to chase ya. PS let me know if you downloaded the test map ?
I was wondering how far the chances of successfully notching a Fox 3 missile would drop, if the enemy didn't go for a TWS STT or DTT lock and instead chose to just RWS "bug lock" you and then launch. You would get an RWR warning only the moment the missile goes pitbull (illuminates you with its own seeker head), which in turn would reduce your reaction time window considerably, isn't it? Just talking theoretically here since I haven't done any systematic testing myself yet. Excellent video, very much appreciated!
so... there is about 7-10 miles when the missile goes pitbull.. if the enemy gets closer and launches not much you can do.. but if you are that close and you havent launched and pushed the enemy away or killed them you are meant to be killed. really you have those 7-10 miles about 15 seconds to execute a fast notch
@@plazma1945 so basically what you are saying is, using (for example) an R27ER at some where near the R-Max to make the enemy go defensive is favourable instead of basically waiting for a no escape missile and the enemy forcing you defensive?
@@mr_confuse yes if possible that would tottaly work. the second part is.. when you defend, if you can keep your radar on target they will not be able to break the lock unless they notch perfectly. The sovet doctrine was an ET / ER double launch as part of the nato stand off
@@plazma1945 that makes total sense. I am new to DCS and "only" played IL-2 before, so I had no idea what kind of strategizing I was getting myself in haha. Thank you for your response!
What do you think would be the minimum speed to notch a radar missile in general? I'm using this in another relatively realistic plane game (War Thunder), and my brother likes using planes with missiles against me even though I only have access to ww2 aircraft.
Hmm good question I don't know how it's model is in warthunder I do not think speed is a issue as a matter of fact the slower you go the better you should be able to notch For example in theory a jet going to zero speed doing a cobra should auto notch any enemy missile by virtue of stopping closure. But remember this guide was for dcs with ideas and theory, we don't really know how logic works in real missiles all that stuff is top secret.
notching missles is easier in war thunder than in dcs, however, once you are in the notch do not forget to go for a slight vertical turn in case the missle coming at you is equipped with inertial guidance, that will prevent it from hitting you with a proxy fuse. alternatively you might want to stay low because radar missles do not really like ground clutter unless they are guided by a pulse doppler radar. a low altitude notch should help you get away even without chaff in most instances in war thunder
also speed does matter, however you can still notch any missle even while going supersonic, staying low is key becacuse ww2 aircraft are not equipped with chaff, that is so because a non pulse doppler radar doesnt care much about your notch
I just found this and have started using it to help me improve, have one question, is there a way to give the enemy plane 2 missiles? So, like I defeat his first missile, and as I turn back hot on him, he fires his second missile that I then have to evade, something like he fires his first missile at max range, I then evade it and turn back hot on him and he fires his second missile, but we're now at mid range. Thanks for this by the way.
Heya, so you can do it, open the mission editor and look under missions for the file. Then click on the red planes and change their load out to two missiles. Make sure to save and you should be good to go!
That's called a split-s maneuver you go straight down reverse and pull away from missile that can definitely work. Usually notching is a close up defense split s is done when you have about ten miles of space
* pls help me * With what button is the missile launched? What is written in setting? I learned to turn on the plane and take off from the runway and the aircraft carrier and I learned to lock the plane's radar system on the enemy plane, but what the hell is the fire button what????
Cold when you know that speed you can gain and maintain will be additvely enough to run from missile. Example shot fired at 15-30km you can go cold.. Shot fired from under 12km you need to notch see the part of the video about no escape and other launch ranges. If missile is fired on you in no escape you either notch or die.
@@plazma1945 thank you.. But in this video for the a far away shots, you could have gone cold instead of notch, right? Its just that if you are close, you have to notch, right?
Hi. just 1 question. Russian RWR's are bit confusing. when the 90 degree marker lights um im 100% on 90 degrees or is there a sign that tells u ur exactly like 87-93 degrees.
It's 90 and it's not perfect you may need to turn a little left or right.. In theory the idea position of missile is just forward of 90 like 89-87 because if you imagine the missile is constantly coming closer while you are flying sideways so as anti logical as it is you need to slightly turn into the missile to keep it around 90
@plazma1945 im even struggeling with the f15c RWR. i fly the f18 which has that EW mode that shows u a better and bigger RWR. is there a way to also make the F15C RWR more clearer to see and know that ur perfectly notching. the F18 in EW has these 2 big lines at the 90 degrees spots which make notching easy and not to mention the jammer that helps too. so is there a way u can see that more clearly in the f15c?
@@Syrplayer2 no unfortunately not really it really becomes almost like a feeling and estimation I would say try to keep the missile symbol at the 9:05 or the 2:55 position of the rwr so either slightly ahead of the line if it's on your left side and slightly behind IE towards the front of the plane I know it's counterintuitive but like just before the Power Clock Neil would point at the 3:00 position right this way you're adjusting for the missile based on the speed that it's approaching you there is really no perfect way of doing it but it is much easier to do so on the NATO rwr then on the Russian one I think it around a 6-minute mark in the video I have that diagram that I drew with them appear but yeah it's trial error and estimating
@@Syrplayer2 the other thing to keep in mind is if you're at altitude let's say there is no Horizon between you and the position of the missile your chances of notching decrease so if possible try to ensure that there is ground clutter on the opposite side of your plane from which the missile is coming from set the message coming from the right side you should have some sort of terrain on the left side or be low enough to the ground that there is certain there notching a missile when you're high up in the air is almost impossible
The notch behavior of the 120c seems weird. Tacview and rwr show perfect 90 and copious use of chaff and the 120C acts as if I am just beaming. This results in a kinetic win outside 8nm on the deck, but has yet to make the missle go stupid/blind. Perhaps it has to be notched before the missle is inside 2-3nm maybe?
F14A. The RWR shows 9 o'clock but it appears by Tackview to not be that accurate after all. I did get a proper notch on a couple @ 7nm launches, but it appears to be a dice roll. That is, if you actually hit 90 degrees it works, but the RWR is not that accurate. 😒
you may have forgotten to mention for the rwr the difference between fox 3 and fox 1....ooops :) The group may start collecting money for plasma's much needed art courses
Hmmm m ok do the mission then save the replay after you end mission and upload the reply file somewhere so I can download and try if you have discord add me there Plazma1945 or message here with a link where I can download your track replay file
Notching is when the enemy aircraft turns perpendicular to the path of our aircraft. It moves towards the aircraft at the same relative speed as the ground, thus it gets filtered out, and disappears (or at least a weapons lock is lost).
@@jonouchihisashi2749 well if you are in a high maneuverability airframe like f16 or mirage you may habe enough time to roll into a perfect notch. Ive seen it done in satal. Im personally not quite there yet
When you turn the wind hits you?=)) With burner off, the missile is "cruising"? It's gliding and losing speed, not cruising! Lol, put your vocabulary a bit together though! Nice video on the other hand!
This is INCREDIBLY valuable
drop me a note once you tried the training mission. let me know if you are able to evade some missiles in the comments.
One of the biggest problems I've had migrating from warbird combat to modern fighters in DCS is the BVR battle. It's been a steep learning curve, a curated training mission like this one is exactly what I've been looking for to get in multiple practice reps when time is an issue. Thanks plazma!
Awesome, glad you found it useful!!!!
Happy to help let me know if i can do anything else to help or tweak to make better. Seeing folks are using and enjoying stuff i make inspires to keep going...
Best way to support, hit the share button on this and other videos, send it out and like and comment.
I consider myself as experienced DCS pilot, so this one didn't give me too much new info.
But the consistency and simplicity of the explanation is really amazing! Mostly you have to watch hours and hours videos and read countless articles to get this good lesson.
Well done, really good job.
aww. thanks Miklos appreciate the kind words. i tried to force it all into one simple video and a little map people could fly.
this has got to be the best explanation ive seen of this yet
Thank you grab the attached link to a offline mission you can practice on!
Incredibly for comunity , best tutorial by now, i am new to DCS but i am already absorved by this videos...
And remember you can download the map and save to your missions folder and fly it yourself
I defeated the no escape F-16!!
Took me long enough, but I finally beat him in my F-18.
I started by flying 12,000 ft below the Viper.
When I saw the missile launch, I attempted a left bank then immediately realized it wouldn't work, so I switched to a right-hand barrel roll.
To my surprise, the missile missed me (58 ft was the closest distance)
Despite the "veteran" F-16 desperately pulling 7Gs and dumping chaff, I quickly turned around and splashed him with a fox 3 shot from my Hornet.
🙏Thank you plazma for the detailed and comprehensive tutorial vid + training mission! I also got Tacview today after watching this video, and it's stunning how cool the software is
Julian I am very glad you kicked ass in this training mission. Kudos and well done I think I Beat the no escape only a couple of times myself so really outstanding and well done. 👍❤️
I learned notching and cranking and i never really questioned methods i was taught. I just accept them as-is. Thank you for explaining in depth how to evade radar missile
I had seen a Beryoza guide and the man basically said the same thing as you have - "No need to be scared of the missile. Just understand your RWR"
The fact that your have unreal. Tournament as your profile logo makes you my favorite human of the day! ❤️❤️❤️😍
You, Plazma 1945, are an absolute, legendary GIGACHAD! Thank you for this amazing guide.
As always putting your enemy in the “90° position” is the best thing you can do🤭
Ummm giga Chad , no that is Aarons job. Lol well enemies on the 90, juat for this video there are other tricks tooo... Now what i want to know did you survive a missile from each of the 3 difficulties?
@@plazma1945 I meant the other kind of 90° position if you get what I’m saying 😂. Anyways I usually notch only when I cross inside the MAR, it’s a last ditch for me.
@@giannizen3775 hehehehhhehheh :D - yup for me notch is phoenix and danger close move.. when I know I cant out run. now the 90 degree turn will out energy the missile to
@@plazma1945 preach
I hope this gains the popularity it deserves, well done!
Well fingers crossed, whatver we can take from the RS squad and community side and share with the world. 🤞🤞🤞
Putting the tac view, external and rwr all together was a pain... Lol sync.
@@plazma1945 I think it turned out fine though!
Definitely a mission that I need! Thanks for sharing.
Let me know if there are any bugs or issues in the mission and i can update and fix those!
Big thanks!! I'm trying to fly the Su-27, and the RWR is crushing me!! Liked a lot the dedicated Red content of your channel!!
Thx!!! ❤️😔🙏 let me.know if the video and the crappy diagrams i drew make sense!
Look for the chapter in description on rwr. Ask questions and i can answer or make videos on topics too!
@@plazma1945That's really helped me a lot!!!!!!
Thanks so much man, this will help me a lot. I'll download it after I get back home from work
And let me know after if it worked, if it caused any issues and which missiles you survived! 🤟
@@plazma1945 so, I tried a few times and the results are
With the f15: I can do the easy f16's and sometimes de medium, avoiding the 15's are still a no go.
With the su27/33 mig29 still no success. Anyway now I have a way to train consistently. Thanks again Man
@@lucasZr113 remember you are getting closer and closer with each enemy. so try to restart and launch the F15s or F16s MEDIUM or HARD ones .. and close in on them.
I think by the time you are getting to the F15s they are much closer. Hit F10 once you spawn them in and see how far they are on the map from you.. thinking maybe you are too close?
@@plazma1945 that's a good point, for some reason I thought their spawn position would be relative to mine. I'll focus on restarting more often
Very valuable information in this video. Nicely done!
thank you, hope it helps let me know if any issues in the mission and if you can defend a No Escape enemy!
LINK to download in Description ( Click Show More) 👆👆
1) hit me with questions in comments
2) hit like and share,
3) let me know if you defeated a no escape shot
Amazing!
So many RUclipsrs do tutorials in custom scenarios, but it’s usually very hard to follow along because they don’t give us that scenario.
This is absolutely fantastic, thank you!
Awesome did you download and try the map? Did you dodge missiles and, Ps don't forget to share a link to this video in Facebook groups or wherever else! Helps the channel! ❤️
@@plazma1945 Absolutely, the mission is awesome!
I've gotten it down to even dodging the hard missile in the FA18 from time to time, although I'm having a harder time in the F16 because it's RWR seems a bit less practical.
Absolutely fantastic training tool!
Outstanding description. Subscribed, downloaded, and now off to try notching!
Did it work? and if it didnt try again. Remember as you get closer to the enemy aircraft you will be reducing the distance.. for the Fairest shot. fight one of them. then either back away fly bearing 130 then re engage again (see on F10 the arrows) ..
or press SHIFT R to reset the map so your plane is back to its original position. if you get too close to the area where the fighters will spawn you wont have time to react..
Let me know how it worked out!!
@@plazma1945 Yep!!!!! I liked looking at the notch in TACView and seeing what happened. That let me see how close to 90 degrees off I was doing. Did the easy ones, now going to try the harder ones.
@@rogeraylstock3641 and as i mentioned in my diagram even when ita not perfect 90 you can still confuse and cause a wobble to the missile. 🤟🤟🤟🤞
I didnt use this mission but i can tell that once i somehow didnt get killed by an no escape amraam in growling sidewinder. Although i was tree height and doing as i have been taught so most likely because i was so low. Tip : Radars from aircraft (less likely) and Radars from Missiles (very likely) will have trouble tracking you when your at tree kissing height. I dont remember if mr plazma said it in here but here the tip is. Also you can use terrain to hide from certain missiles that arent high enough (very usefull when youre way too close since radars cant track through terrain)
Amen and very correct the lower you are to the ground the more it clutters the missile
Nice NASA supplied software to do the highly detailed pics plazma :)
Good explanation for newbies :)
Very fancy software
.. Lololol
For the RWR..., it only has 30 degrees up and down (60 deg in total) relative to your aircraft and it's the same for all aircraft (unrealistic because each aircraft has it's own real RWR coverage, but ED doesn't care as usually).
one of the best explanations of notching. period.
New map added here www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3334433/
And thank you
super cool video, very understandable. I have to try this out, maybe i’ll be able to return from a sortie on the growling sidewinder server for once😁😄
Dowoad the map attached in description follow instruxtions and try it. If you die you can re run it again and again shift r will restart the flight
Subscribed. Thank you for this. By far the clearest explanation. I am new to flight sims and can't wait to use this information
Awesome. Download the attached map. Open in mission editor and save as new file. Just as the one final was posted before dcs 2.8 update.
You can then go Into missions and fly the practice mission spawn in enemies and practice let me know how you do!
This is great! been running through it and with your explanation it's really helped. At the medium launch zone I'm able to defeat the single missile almost every time! Could you update the mission to include the JF-17 with it's active RADAR missiles? Those buggers are tricky sometimes.
Yessir working on version two with f15s and will add jf17s
Thanks for making this videos 😊
My pleasure 😊 New version coming soon!
*Your instructional vids are better than Growling Sidewinders.*
😍😍😍😍😍👌✌️
I said I can do it, and trying to. Share the video in forums and discord FB etc. Helps the channel grow more powerful!! Lol 😊
Absolutely fantastic video. Thanks a lot!
👍 Did you grab the map aandthe mission?
thanks plazma for the great training mission! exactly what I've been needing as perfect noob... and as a perfect noob I can't understand If I have to start the avoiding maneuver when I get RWR missile warning OR when I see the missile launched by the enemy (as I understood the difficulty level is based on when the enemy would fire the missile, from max range, mid range and lethal range), I'm using simplified labels to better understand what I'm doing, so I can see when the missile gets off the enemy's rails...
awesome super glad it helped!!
The Missle knows where it is at all times because it knows where it isnt.
Jk.. This was a REALLY good tutorial!
Did u download the map
@@plazma1945 I did! Unfortunately I travel a lot for work so I'm unable to play it soon. But rest assured I will! Thank you for putting this together for everyone.
Excellent job dude with your step by step instruction
Glad if it was helpful Dex, let me know if you were able to take on the hard enemy which launches at no escape.. I think only way to ditch him is to Notch notch notch or hide in the hills before you spawn him in to chase ya.
PS let me know if you downloaded the test map ?
Thanks for simple answers and easy to learn from it and coincidentally u demonstrated it with my country flag on the wings Algeria 🇩🇿 🇩🇿🇩🇿
Glad it helped! and algeria liveries are sexy!
Thanks Plasma. Clear 👍
always a gd job keep it up
improving and boosting the community. Let me know if you have any issues in the mission and able to escape any missiles.
Will do
I was wondering how far the chances of successfully notching a Fox 3 missile would drop, if the enemy didn't go for a TWS STT or DTT lock and instead chose to just RWS "bug lock" you and then launch. You would get an RWR warning only the moment the missile goes pitbull (illuminates you with its own seeker head), which in turn would reduce your reaction time window considerably, isn't it? Just talking theoretically here since I haven't done any systematic testing myself yet.
Excellent video, very much appreciated!
so... there is about 7-10 miles when the missile goes pitbull.. if the enemy gets closer and launches not much you can do.. but if you are that close and you havent launched and pushed the enemy away or killed them you are meant to be killed.
really you have those 7-10 miles about 15 seconds to execute a fast notch
@@plazma1945 so basically what you are saying is, using (for example) an R27ER at some where near the R-Max to make the enemy go defensive is favourable instead of basically waiting for a no escape missile and the enemy forcing you defensive?
@@mr_confuse yes if possible that would tottaly work. the second part is.. when you defend, if you can keep your radar on target they will not be able to break the lock unless they notch perfectly. The sovet doctrine was an ET / ER double launch as part of the nato stand off
@@plazma1945 that makes total sense. I am new to DCS and "only" played IL-2 before, so I had no idea what kind of strategizing I was getting myself in haha.
Thank you for your response!
you are a legend
Well on that note I will retire. But honestly thanks,,.?
Great Video...Subbed. 👍
And download the map in description and try it
Let. Me. Know how the tutorial map goes
@@plazma1945 I will.
How did you do that F2 view at around 3:30, it looks very bf3esc. Could you please tell me? Also good mission and good notching gonna download this!
Press shift f4 and you got that view
Could you do a tax evasion tutorial next?
Just pretend it's not there
10/10 for the animation
Thank you I tried lol👍
Thank you papa plazma
I guess ill take it!! Ps try to change speed of f15s to mach 1.7
big tnx. ... 👌👌😁😁🤗🤗
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What do you think would be the minimum speed to notch a radar missile in general? I'm using this in another relatively realistic plane game (War Thunder), and my brother likes using planes with missiles against me even though I only have access to ww2 aircraft.
Hmm good question I don't know how it's model is in warthunder I do not think speed is a issue as a matter of fact the slower you go the better you should be able to notch
For example in theory a jet going to zero speed doing a cobra should auto notch any enemy missile by virtue of stopping closure.
But remember this guide was for dcs with ideas and theory, we don't really know how logic works in real missiles all that stuff is top secret.
notching missles is easier in war thunder than in dcs, however, once you are in the notch do not forget to go for a slight vertical turn in case the missle coming at you is equipped with inertial guidance, that will prevent it from hitting you with a proxy fuse. alternatively you might want to stay low because radar missles do not really like ground clutter unless they are guided by a pulse doppler radar. a low altitude notch should help you get away even without chaff in most instances in war thunder
also speed does matter, however you can still notch any missle even while going supersonic, staying low is key becacuse ww2 aircraft are not equipped with chaff, that is so because a non pulse doppler radar doesnt care much about your notch
can you make one in an ally plane with maybe JF17s launching at you?
Added in new map download aded
I just found this and have started using it to help me improve, have one question, is there a way to give the enemy plane 2 missiles? So, like I defeat his first missile, and as I turn back hot on him, he fires his second missile that I then have to evade, something like he fires his first missile at max range, I then evade it and turn back hot on him and he fires his second missile, but we're now at mid range. Thanks for this by the way.
Heya, so you can do it, open the mission editor and look under missions for the file. Then click on the red planes and change their load out to two missiles. Make sure to save and you should be good to go!
What about diving straight down and going cold on the missile? Is notching most of the time better? And when should you do it?
That's called a split-s maneuver you go straight down reverse and pull away from missile that can definitely work. Usually notching is a close up defense split s is done when you have about ten miles of space
@@plazma1945 Where can I find more stuff about BVR? Like defensive maneuvers, etc.
@@bongoconjo8217 are you flying PvP or pve in dcs add me on discord Plazma1945 I'll send u some. Material
@@plazma1945I sent you a friend request 👍
* pls help me *
With what button is the missile launched? What is written in setting? I learned to turn on the plane and take off from the runway and the aircraft carrier and I learned to lock the plane's radar system on the enemy plane, but what the hell is the fire button what????
Different planes have different setting look in buttons for weapon release
Launch weapons
In dcs controls settings search for weapon
One question remaining is when do you notch vs. when do you turn cold..?
Cold when you know that speed you can gain and maintain will be additvely enough to run from missile. Example shot fired at 15-30km you can go cold.. Shot fired from under 12km you need to notch see the part of the video about no escape and other launch ranges. If missile is fired on you in no escape you either notch or die.
@@plazma1945 thank you.. But in this video for the a far away shots, you could have gone cold instead of notch, right? Its just that if you are close, you have to notch, right?
Great mission. I have no played it a lot. Thank you so much. Amazing learning experience.!!
Goood video , but do you have another One with the f16
The map. Linked in this video has an f-16 and I explain the Nato rwr about 1/2 way through this video
Let me know if you have specific questions
@@plazma1945 thanks
Hi. just 1 question. Russian RWR's are bit confusing. when the 90 degree marker lights um im 100% on 90 degrees or is there a sign that tells u ur exactly like 87-93 degrees.
It's 90 and it's not perfect you may need to turn a little left or right.. In theory the idea position of missile is just forward of 90 like 89-87 because if you imagine the missile is constantly coming closer while you are flying sideways so as anti logical as it is you need to slightly turn into the missile to keep it around 90
@plazma1945 im even struggeling with the f15c RWR. i fly the f18 which has that EW mode that shows u a better and bigger RWR. is there a way to also make the F15C RWR more clearer to see and know that ur perfectly notching. the F18 in EW has these 2 big lines at the 90 degrees spots which make notching easy and not to mention the jammer that helps too. so is there a way u can see that more clearly in the f15c?
@@Syrplayer2 no unfortunately not really it really becomes almost like a feeling and estimation I would say try to keep the missile symbol at the 9:05 or the 2:55 position of the rwr so either slightly ahead of the line if it's on your left side and slightly behind IE towards the front of the plane I know it's counterintuitive but like just before the Power Clock Neil would point at the 3:00 position right this way you're adjusting for the missile based on the speed that it's approaching you there is really no perfect way of doing it but it is much easier to do so on the NATO rwr then on the Russian one I think it around a 6-minute mark in the video I have that diagram that I drew with them appear but yeah it's trial error and estimating
@@Syrplayer2 the other thing to keep in mind is if you're at altitude let's say there is no Horizon between you and the position of the missile your chances of notching decrease so if possible try to ensure that there is ground clutter on the opposite side of your plane from which the missile is coming from set the message coming from the right side you should have some sort of terrain on the left side or be low enough to the ground that there is certain there notching a missile when you're high up in the air is almost impossible
thank you for the Valuable information mate. Deserved a sub.@@plazma1945
Helmet mounted irst & r60, missile shoot down.
Who, wait your gonna shoot down aim120 with r60???
@@plazma1945 try it.
The notch behavior of the 120c seems weird. Tacview and rwr show perfect 90 and copious use of chaff and the 120C acts as if I am just beaming. This results in a kinetic win outside 8nm on the deck, but has yet to make the missle go stupid/blind. Perhaps it has to be notched before the missle is inside 2-3nm maybe?
Which airfrane are you flying
F14A. The RWR shows 9 o'clock but it appears by Tackview to not be that accurate after all. I did get a proper notch on a couple @ 7nm launches, but it appears to be a dice roll. That is, if you actually hit 90 degrees it works, but the RWR is not that accurate. 😒
@@M3atP0psicl35 hmmmmm interesting almost like rwr is delayed and it's for the M symbol right?
Correct
Well
Did you try it?
Think it is just a dice roll like many other DCS'isms? Like flares against aim 9x.
Not quite a dice roll, ive been able to replicate notching. I will try in a tomcat too, but notching 100% works
you may have forgotten to mention for the rwr the difference between fox 3 and fox 1....ooops :)
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Muahhahaha... Shhhh... we cant talk about that while we are in the house of sarh competition. Cant give secrets away.... Soon :)
For some reason i do exactly like you, but i cant still dodge them. Can you help me?
Hmmm m ok do the mission then save the replay after you end mission and upload the reply file somewhere so I can download and try if you have discord add me there Plazma1945 or message here with a link where I can download your track replay file
It's never 100 percent but you can get to 50-70 percent. What plane are you doing it in
Why does a missile lose you at 90° specifically?
Notching is when the enemy aircraft turns perpendicular to the path of our aircraft. It moves towards the aircraft at the same relative speed as the ground, thus it gets filtered out, and disappears (or at least a weapons lock is lost).
i cant notch from hard mode. not matter M= 1.0 or M= 0.7 Other modes i easy for me. Bus thanks for cool mission
Попробуйте уйти в горы и потом запустит врага. Try to get to mountians then launch enemy hard. I also Did not yet escape from hard enemy also lolol
Can you use other NATO aircraft opposed to russian in this mission?
Yes all nato are setup f15 f16 f18 f5 etc all are there on blue to fly
Is the tomcat available?
Hard seems impossible if trying to dodge after launch alert.
Watch f10 see how close the hard level enemy is when they Launch could be as little as four miles... Might need to hit the deck or hide in mountains?
@@plazma1945 To dodge that close I would have to be cold and full af at the moment.
@@plazma1945 I see hiding is easy, growling veteran, but I tought it was about notching.
@@jonouchihisashi2749 well if you are in a high maneuverability airframe like f16 or mirage you may habe enough time to roll into a perfect notch. Ive seen it done in satal. Im personally not quite there yet
@@plazma1945 fat SU33 won't.
When you turn the wind hits you?=)) With burner off, the missile is "cruising"? It's gliding and losing speed, not cruising! Lol, put your vocabulary a bit together though! Nice video on the other hand!
Thanks sir, I do all my videos will without the scripts so all are off the top of my head. But will do! Good call
That's a Kobayashi Maru.
I did it.
Which plane did you do it in?
@@plazma1945 SU-57 of course.
Drop flares for RAD missiles, lol...!
They are bound to the same control maybe. Drop chaff for rad missiles.
Download link no longer works. I know that discord did smth with their link so now they dont work outside of discord.
It's fixed
10 miles is 16km if anyone wants that info.
unless you are in DCS and you are using Nautical Miles which is 18.52 km (so best way to estimate is
1 NM = 2 KM approximately
3000 FEET = 1000 Meters
With nautical miles that would make a little sense yes. thought nautical miles was usually highlited when talking about nautical miles.@@plazma1945
i cant dodge the med
Which plane. Remember you need to snap 90 get your nose down. If you don't think you have a perfect 90 adjust a little left a little right.
Once you think you are in or near the 90 start popping chaff
@@plazma1945 i play su 33 and su 27
but im quite new
@@karelvideo8911 Np np practice! Best bet it doesn't also always work 100% but try to master it
Useless..
really how come, and what can be done better?
@@plazma1945 it isnt useless dont worry! your technique really helped me i never knew diving will help your very helpful!
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