Bastila: "The Force should not be used for personal ga-" Revan "Shut up, Bastila. I'm on a quest to save the galaxy. The least the galaxy can do is give me free parking."
Based on how much you enjoyed this game, I HIGHLY recommend tracking down the Knights of the Old Republic comic book series put out by Dark Horse Comics back in the day; they're a prequel to this game set during the Mandalorian Wars and do a lot of calling forward to the characters and events of this game even while they tell a really interesting and complex narrative of their own. Zayne Carrick, Marn Heirogryph, and Jarael are all among my favorite Star Wars characters to this very day, and in my opinion they're highly underrated among the fandom.
i'm watching this video in little pieces. this video happened to drop as i play this game for the first time ever. so to experience it first hand, then hear you talk about it, it's amazing.
I have a really hard time playing the 2nd one as well. The gameplay is enormously better than 1, but god the story is just so awful… I have tried countless times to get through it and I simply cannot stand how long it takes to get past Telos. For me, having what is essentially the prologue consume most of the game is unbearably frustrating considering the fact that I actually enjoyed it originally. I mean Korriban is so damn short that I end up just wandering around looking at the views for hours because I can’t stand how short it is. Add into that the amount of absolute hatred I have for Kreia. She is just the worst character I have ever encountered, and I don’t mean that in the traditional sense. I think she should have been a character we should have to “check in” with after every planet, rather than being forced to hear her complaining about everything that makes a Star Wars game fun. Light VS Dark. There are waaaaay too few Gray options in the game for me to bother with anything revolving a whole character just to please her. However, I still think she was very nicely written and very well voiced. She is quite reminiscent of Cersei Lannister from GOT. Everyone hated her, but you loved her simply because she could bring you to absolute rage while being a fake character in a TV show. You can’t help but admire the way the actress made us just seeth with fury with every single word she spoke. On the other hand, I do NOT enjoy being forced to speak with her after turning every damn corner even when I exclusively DID NOT BRING HER. TL;DR, Bastila is nicer and more pleasant to hear complaining every 5 minutes than some old gross lady who got fisted by Dead Boi Sion.
They are very, very different games. Kotor 1 is your classic star wars story, the light prevailing over the dark, the Jedi hero, etc. Kotor 2 is very, very dependant on you taking your time to speak to all characters, and understand the overall story. It's a more personal story, if you like, more about the inner struggles and issues, and how the constant fight between dark and light takes its toll on the galaxy, the people, and even nature itself. It's a dark story, and doesn't have a grand hero ending. It's not for everyone, but is brilliantly written, and has a unique take on the core of star wars and the force.
@@moisesfernandez5681 that was kinda my point. The biggest issue I had was the characters. Kreia was so doom driven and convinced that everyone sucks. She was more of a Nihilistic character than Nihilius was. Atton was just Han Solo 2.0 pretty much, Bao-Dur was a boring yes man. Hanharr was almost the exact opposite. Visas was alright but had very little to do after your first encounter. Handmaiden was ungodly whiny and it ruined the story for Atris if you did anything wrong or right with her. HK was good but he had a whole previous game to help him, which was unfair considering he wasn’t even that great of a companion. Mira was also alright but the act of losing such a powerful fighter in Hanharr did not outweigh the potential she offered, since you get Mandalore who certainly wipes her out in terms of both combat and intrigue. T3 was similar to HK but the reverse. Most people never bothered with him past Taris because he sucked, which did not improve much at all because you spent the first 30% of the game without him.
@@moisesfernandez5681 I suppose what I have the biggest issue with is the lack of universe in general. It doesn’t really matter what you do, nor does it really feel like Star Wars. All in all, it feels like someone tried to force too much “adult” stuff into it. Which is why I think it’s the lesser of the two games. It was a huge secret test that people were trying to use to justify the fan base growing up. However, it failed…
Glad I'm not the only one who finds the handling of lightsaber building as a little weird in this one. Always didn't like that it was like "this is an elegant weapon, now go make it on your workbench, dude." Great video!
KOTOR put western RPGs on the map after years of dominancy by JRPGs. None of the other western RPGs could compete with the likes of Final Fantasy before KOTOR came onto the mix.
Interesting point, though I’d never know how popular JRPGs were since I’ve never played one. JRPGs have never caught on in my country as most were on consoles which were virtually inaccessible here
42:00 ish - I mean that was kinda the point of Kotor's jedi even in the first game, filtering the jedi flaws through a more adult lens and discovering their flaws. We aren't supposed to like elitiat supernatural power hypocrites. Love the clip so far 🎉🎉🎉
Your take on the distain Jedis have earned is pretty spot on - it's like Lucas was trying to knock Plato's Philosopher Kings down a peg. I gave up on KOTOR hours into the game, about an hour after it forced me to abandon my role as a manipulative cunning smuggler and forced him into Jedidom. Thank you for putting this up so I can see how it plays out.
Really? You gave up that early......you know, you could go twice into manipulation and cunning once you become a Jedi. Complete with lying your ass off to the Council. And yes, Lucas was showing the Jedi to be wrong, right off the bat. If their reaction to Qui-Gon teaching Anakin was any indication.
@@HolyknightVader999 Yeah, obligatory combat felt boring and like I was being punished for not playing a more violence-centric character. The early post-Jedi-training bit had me realizing that the non-combat sections were dull timesinks too... so what was I playing for? It felt like a weaker Jade Empire without the novelty in the setting. (Nothing clicked for me, but I'm glad so many other people enjoy it.)
I keep going back and forth watching this video in chunks and bits. Still, this video is AWESOME! It's such a fun and thorough examination of one of the all time greats. I'm still amazed that you put this together as quickly as you did. This is good shit, dude!
1:31:24 😂yes he indeed does and still does till the 2nd game. He still misses senpai and is a sad boy filled with rage. Trying to put respect on his name and the Mandalorians .I love him❤
1:30:45 Usually at this point I’m op for dark ventilator and just go run literal circles around him. Hit him with force lightning ⛈️ and force wave 🌊 .
We all went through our pluralistic, libertarian phase in high school. Recognizing right and wrong doesn't leave a lot of room for "not taking a side" or "just like, everybody can be right because of how they feel, man". Jolee was an awesome character and he was wrong about the force.
This is a good video, but I'd like to add my take on the whole Jedi and Sith thing. The Jedi being flawed and wrong was a major part of the prequel trilogy. Their lack of emotional understanding or awareness of how the Republic was corrupt was a major part of their downfall. However, it is also worth acknowledging that it can be inferred the Jedi weren't aways this way, that their philosophy isn't wrong, rather their interpretation of it is, basically, they took "control your emotions" to mean "deny your emotions." It's also implied Luke will lead the Jedi back to how things should be after redeeming Vader. As for the Sith, they mainly exist to show that the Force can be misused and to show chasing your passions is just as dangerous as denying them. It's also worth noting the Jedi and Sith are just two ways of interpreting the Force.
Aww you didn't give the Krayt Dragon Pearl to the Sand People? I always go back to Tatooine once I have better saber upgrades than the pearl and hand it over to the chief. At which point you can get a lot of cool lore from the Sand People about the origins of Tatooine and the Tuskens
A cool metagaming strategy (absolutely unnecessary since the game isn't hard) is to not level up your main character until you become a jedi. The game forces you to level up once, but otherwise you can save all the XP and get a bunch of jedi levels after the first act.
1:31:24 😂yes he indeed does and still does till the 2nd game. He still misses senpai and is a sad boy filled with rage. Trying to put respect on his name and the Mandalorians .I love him❤
Bastila: "The Force should not be used for personal ga-"
Revan "Shut up, Bastila. I'm on a quest to save the galaxy. The least the galaxy can do is give me free parking."
Bastila can be such a kill joy. Like, chill, dude, these goons are literally trying to extort me
You could say that KOTOR had a Massive Effect on gaming.
Or some could say a "mass effect".
Hmmm.
@@NthReview haha >:)
Lmao i laughed audibly at this
@@thesummerofmark lol I'm a good ways drunk and seeing this. Miss you bro.
Based on how much you enjoyed this game, I HIGHLY recommend tracking down the Knights of the Old Republic comic book series put out by Dark Horse Comics back in the day; they're a prequel to this game set during the Mandalorian Wars and do a lot of calling forward to the characters and events of this game even while they tell a really interesting and complex narrative of their own. Zayne Carrick, Marn Heirogryph, and Jarael are all among my favorite Star Wars characters to this very day, and in my opinion they're highly underrated among the fandom.
Thanks for the rec, i remember reading some “borrowed” issues on my janky CRT monitor back in the day. I’ll try to track them down
I second this. Arguably one of the best Star Wars stories ever (personally, I like it even better than the game).
i'm watching this video in little pieces. this video happened to drop as i play this game for the first time ever.
so to experience it first hand, then hear you talk about it, it's amazing.
Thank you, glad to have been a part of your first playthrough
Great job with this one Mark, I'm very proud of you. Glad to have helped a little bit!
You helped out a tonne my man, not a bit
I didn't care for KOTOR 2 it felt soulless but I did like the first one, it had heart.
I have a really hard time playing the 2nd one as well. The gameplay is enormously better than 1, but god the story is just so awful…
I have tried countless times to get through it and I simply cannot stand how long it takes to get past Telos. For me, having what is essentially the prologue consume most of the game is unbearably frustrating considering the fact that I actually enjoyed it originally.
I mean Korriban is so damn short that I end up just wandering around looking at the views for hours because I can’t stand how short it is. Add into that the amount of absolute hatred I have for Kreia. She is just the worst character I have ever encountered, and I don’t mean that in the traditional sense.
I think she should have been a character we should have to “check in” with after every planet, rather than being forced to hear her complaining about everything that makes a Star Wars game fun. Light VS Dark.
There are waaaaay too few Gray options in the game for me to bother with anything revolving a whole character just to please her. However, I still think she was very nicely written and very well voiced. She is quite reminiscent of Cersei Lannister from GOT. Everyone hated her, but you loved her simply because she could bring you to absolute rage while being a fake character in a TV show. You can’t help but admire the way the actress made us just seeth with fury with every single word she spoke.
On the other hand, I do NOT enjoy being forced to speak with her after turning every damn corner even when I exclusively DID NOT BRING HER.
TL;DR, Bastila is nicer and more pleasant to hear complaining every 5 minutes than some old gross lady who got fisted by Dead Boi Sion.
They are very, very different games. Kotor 1 is your classic star wars story, the light prevailing over the dark, the Jedi hero, etc.
Kotor 2 is very, very dependant on you taking your time to speak to all characters, and understand the overall story. It's a more personal story, if you like, more about the inner struggles and issues, and how the constant fight between dark and light takes its toll on the galaxy, the people, and even nature itself. It's a dark story, and doesn't have a grand hero ending. It's not for everyone, but is brilliantly written, and has a unique take on the core of star wars and the force.
@@moisesfernandez5681 that was kinda my point. The biggest issue I had was the characters. Kreia was so doom driven and convinced that everyone sucks. She was more of a Nihilistic character than Nihilius was.
Atton was just Han Solo 2.0 pretty much, Bao-Dur was a boring yes man. Hanharr was almost the exact opposite. Visas was alright but had very little to do after your first encounter. Handmaiden was ungodly whiny and it ruined the story for Atris if you did anything wrong or right with her. HK was good but he had a whole previous game to help him, which was unfair considering he wasn’t even that great of a companion. Mira was also alright but the act of losing such a powerful fighter in Hanharr did not outweigh the potential she offered, since you get Mandalore who certainly wipes her out in terms of both combat and intrigue. T3 was similar to HK but the reverse. Most people never bothered with him past Taris because he sucked, which did not improve much at all because you spent the first 30% of the game without him.
@@moisesfernandez5681 I suppose what I have the biggest issue with is the lack of universe in general. It doesn’t really matter what you do, nor does it really feel like Star Wars.
All in all, it feels like someone tried to force too much “adult” stuff into it. Which is why I think it’s the lesser of the two games. It was a huge secret test that people were trying to use to justify the fan base growing up.
However, it failed…
Yes it holds up :) Playing right now :)
Love how the lawyer goes straight to you being batshit insane
You're a fantastic editor and writer. Really good work. I hope your channel explodes!
Thank you!!! And even if it doesn’t explode, I’ll keep making videos for as long as I have passion for the craft
Glad I'm not the only one who finds the handling of lightsaber building as a little weird in this one. Always didn't like that it was like "this is an elegant weapon, now go make it on your workbench, dude." Great video!
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Very fun, nostalgic video. Great flow and humor. I really like seeing you enjoy covering rpgs!
No u
Mark retrospecting my favourite game. How can I resist?
Thank you so much, hope you enjoyed it!
KOTOR put western RPGs on the map after years of dominancy by JRPGs. None of the other western RPGs could compete with the likes of Final Fantasy before KOTOR came onto the mix.
Interesting point, though I’d never know how popular JRPGs were since I’ve never played one. JRPGs have never caught on in my country as most were on consoles which were virtually inaccessible here
@@thesummerofmark Many were on the Playstation 1 and 2, and they took the West by storm in the early 2000s.
@@HolyknightVader999 hah, makes sense. Most of us Eastern Europeans were playing the Gothic series in the early to mid 2000s
hmm baldur's gate, ultima...
42:00 ish - I mean that was kinda the point of Kotor's jedi even in the first game, filtering the jedi flaws through a more adult lens and discovering their flaws. We aren't supposed to like elitiat supernatural power hypocrites. Love the clip so far 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for watching!
Good video. Fun Cameo. 👍
Thank you! Mandalore was super cool for lending his voice
Great vid. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much!!!!
YOOOOO FEATURE LENGTH FILM!!!
Your take on the distain Jedis have earned is pretty spot on - it's like Lucas was trying to knock Plato's Philosopher Kings down a peg.
I gave up on KOTOR hours into the game, about an hour after it forced me to abandon my role as a manipulative cunning smuggler and forced him into Jedidom. Thank you for putting this up so I can see how it plays out.
Really? You gave up that early......you know, you could go twice into manipulation and cunning once you become a Jedi. Complete with lying your ass off to the Council.
And yes, Lucas was showing the Jedi to be wrong, right off the bat. If their reaction to Qui-Gon teaching Anakin was any indication.
@@HolyknightVader999 Yeah, obligatory combat felt boring and like I was being punished for not playing a more violence-centric character. The early post-Jedi-training bit had me realizing that the non-combat sections were dull timesinks too... so what was I playing for? It felt like a weaker Jade Empire without the novelty in the setting.
(Nothing clicked for me, but I'm glad so many other people enjoy it.)
Hey no problem - glad you got the experience the game through my video!
Hey look, Salt Factory just re-rel... oh wait, hi Mark!
Woops. Hey there
I keep going back and forth watching this video in chunks and bits. Still, this video is AWESOME! It's such a fun and thorough examination of one of the all time greats. I'm still amazed that you put this together as quickly as you did. This is good shit, dude!
U are good shit
@@thesummerofmark no u
@@CultoftheCyberSkull no u
1:31:24 😂yes he indeed does and still does till the 2nd game. He still misses senpai and is a sad boy filled with rage. Trying to put respect on his name and the Mandalorians .I love him❤
1:30:45 Usually at this point I’m op for dark ventilator and just go run literal circles around him. Hit him with force lightning ⛈️ and force wave 🌊 .
Listening to this instead of actually playing it goes hard
No u
When I got this game, my brother did a light side run and I did a dark side run. I still do dark side almost every playthrough
Great video bro 🤘
No u
We all went through our pluralistic, libertarian phase in high school. Recognizing right and wrong doesn't leave a lot of room for "not taking a side" or "just like, everybody can be right because of how they feel, man". Jolee was an awesome character and he was wrong about the force.
I don't think you know what libertarianism is.
ill save every one 2 hours yes it does, first time playing this year its good
You could’ve saved 5 seconds by not writing that comment so congrats, you just played yourself
This is a good video, but I'd like to add my take on the whole Jedi and Sith thing.
The Jedi being flawed and wrong was a major part of the prequel trilogy. Their lack of emotional understanding or awareness of how the Republic was corrupt was a major part of their downfall. However, it is also worth acknowledging that it can be inferred the Jedi weren't aways this way, that their philosophy isn't wrong, rather their interpretation of it is, basically, they took "control your emotions" to mean "deny your emotions." It's also implied Luke will lead the Jedi back to how things should be after redeeming Vader.
As for the Sith, they mainly exist to show that the Force can be misused and to show chasing your passions is just as dangerous as denying them.
It's also worth noting the Jedi and Sith are just two ways of interpreting the Force.
Yes. Next question.
Favorite type of pizza?
This gonna be good!
Hope it was haha
Aww you didn't give the Krayt Dragon Pearl to the Sand People? I always go back to Tatooine once I have better saber upgrades than the pearl and hand it over to the chief. At which point you can get a lot of cool lore from the Sand People about the origins of Tatooine and the Tuskens
@@adamglenen734 oh I gave them the krayt dragon pearl. I just didn’t cover that part in the video because it was already gargantuan
@@thesummerofmarkThe Real Question: Did you loot the Baskets afterwards?
Bring KOTOR 2!!! I like this kind of video, full spoilers for part 2, pls!
Thank you!!! I will. Not in the near future tho
POG.
No u
A cool metagaming strategy (absolutely unnecessary since the game isn't hard) is to not level up your main character until you become a jedi. The game forces you to level up once, but otherwise you can save all the XP and get a bunch of jedi levels after the first act.
SW with a dash of North Korea. Amazing line.
great storytelling there. did you also play it full dark side?
Thank you! I didn’t - I can’t be a baddie in games haha
Cantina Elysium
That should be a band
Saw tweet.
Thanks for dropping by!
Kotor 1 >>>>> Kotor 2
Never Auto Level.
But… I didn’t :(
kotor 1 - no
kotor 2 without tslrcm - yes
kotor 2 with tslrcm - forever
Game gud
U gud
Buluk counter: 4
Lmao
1:31:24 😂yes he indeed does and still does till the 2nd game. He still misses senpai and is a sad boy filled with rage. Trying to put respect on his name and the Mandalorians .I love him❤