The Philosophy of Kreia: A Critical Examination of Star Wars

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  • @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.
    @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.  3 года назад +1477

    If you still have questions about Star Wars, then I recommend you watch my video The Foundations of Star Wars that examines the nature of the Force. All answers are found there.
    ruclips.net/video/-a7x5N2eVFE/видео.html

    • @8is
      @8is 3 года назад +14

      ok.

    • @sam3nvb565
      @sam3nvb565 3 года назад +110

      ngl I've watched this video about 6-7 times

    • @harryunderwood9387
      @harryunderwood9387 3 года назад +17

      @@sam3nvb565 Welcome to the club as they say.

    • @notimike3186
      @notimike3186 3 года назад +3

      Wow, increíble tu vídeo. Amazing you work

    • @leeroyjenkins6324
      @leeroyjenkins6324 3 года назад +9

      Damn, your Star Wars videos are so good! I find myself rewatching them to appreciate them from time to time.

  • @The_Caledonian
    @The_Caledonian 3 года назад +2476

    I love that quote: *"You have taken a complicated question, and you have trivialized it with your answer and lack of experience."*

    • @curiousdave
      @curiousdave 2 года назад

      Saying "you don't get it, dumbass" like an intellectual

    • @OGmemegenerator
      @OGmemegenerator 2 года назад +171

      Basically summarized the sequels

    • @HoodedLord
      @HoodedLord 2 года назад +140

      @@OGmemegenerator that would imply that ANYBODY involved in the sequels had enough intelligence to ask a question in the first place

    • @pharaohbubbles1547
      @pharaohbubbles1547 2 года назад +7

      @@OGmemegenerator Yawn

    • @darthtyranous4514
      @darthtyranous4514 Год назад +66

      @@HoodedLord feel bad for the actors tho, you can tell most of them were just glad that it’s over.

  • @EdgedShadow
    @EdgedShadow 4 года назад +2889

    They hired the perfect voice actor for her. She would have never worked if the voice acting was subpar.

    • @zackosborn1731
      @zackosborn1731 4 года назад +150

      She's so good I'm going to white knight and ask you to refer to her as a 'voice actress' .

    • @xJB1032x
      @xJB1032x 4 года назад +19

      @Minh Dang and you commenting on HIS comment to call him a loser is any better?

    • @the_rose_garden01
      @the_rose_garden01 4 года назад +17

      @@xJB1032x Wow, he deleted his comment? Nerd

    • @CatastrophicalPencil
      @CatastrophicalPencil 3 года назад +56

      @@zackosborn1731 not to be a prick here but these days the word 'actress' isn't really down with most female actors outside of award shows. You'd generally just refer to everyone as an actor (in English).

    • @TheChinkeat
      @TheChinkeat 3 года назад +5

      Her voice a little bit similar to Dragon Age Mythal

  • @MandaloreGaming
    @MandaloreGaming 7 лет назад +9782

    I always loved how Kreia was used to deconstruct most of the Star Wars ideas that had been setup in the movies.This was a fantastic video that clearly took a shit ton of time and effort. It paid off because you did an incredible job.

    • @17Watman
      @17Watman 7 лет назад +332

      MandaloreGaming if only Kriea and her philosophy were canon.

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 7 лет назад +107

      Rebels and Episode 8 are moving it towards that.

    • @babyfacekillah1323
      @babyfacekillah1323 7 лет назад +316

      Yeah, but it's Disney...there's going to be some SJW propaganda involved that will surely affect the differing ideologies. Have you seen the Disney parks? They're just feeding the idea that Jedi=Good, Sith=Bad. They're not gonna teach the kids to explore and learn about the different sides in the Star Wars universe. I hope the kids can escape this grasp from Disney, and actually further delve deep to what this expansive universe has to offer! To sum it all up, they're going to condense and water down the previous ideas of George Lucas, sprinkle their own bullshit, and then market it to the kids who are most likely going to be brainwashed by the Disney bullshit.

    • @zoompt-lm5xw
      @zoompt-lm5xw 7 лет назад +137

      The kids will find the true for themselves trough the layers of bullshit.
      The stronger ones at least.

    • @PrinceZakariyya
      @PrinceZakariyya 7 лет назад +3

      Ily

  • @jason-paulwells2312
    @jason-paulwells2312 3 года назад +846

    Atton: "Explain something to me."
    Kreia: "I have neither the will nor the years desired."

    • @Tayvin4042
      @Tayvin4042 Год назад +63

      Shakespeare-tier insult right there.

    • @boooster101
      @boooster101 6 месяцев назад +10

      @@Tayvin4042 If they ever make a live-action KotoR movie....I want SIR Patrick Stewart to play Kreia....with his most convincing feminine voice.

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 3 месяца назад +3

      @@boooster101 I mean... Sara Kestelman is still alive and might be willing to do that. Just nobody will take that movie with that perspective and inform her about it.

  • @trackts
    @trackts 7 лет назад +4073

    Funny that the Sith end up enslaved by the force, powerless without it. The Jedi are was consumed by fear and unease of the return of the Sith and are always aware of their own emotions. The Sith code ensures that a Sith will never be free and the Jedi code ensures a Jedi will never be at peace.

    • @KarlVyt
      @KarlVyt 6 лет назад +186

      So well put.

    • @splintercell320
      @splintercell320 6 лет назад +338

      trackts As much as I love the Star Wars universe, living in it would be a nightmare. You have the Jedi who by all intents and purposes are non humans who are discouraged to enjoy live and must strive to be emotionless, you have the Sith who become corrupted to the point that they loose themselves in their strive for power and destroy all they come across until they themselves are defeated, and all those not associated with the two factions who are at the mercy of them.

    • @briansheehan3430
      @briansheehan3430 5 лет назад +212

      @@splintercell320 "We allow them to fight and dispose of each other under their illusion of religious and philosophical dominance, but what truly rules the galaxy is information."
      - From SWTOR, the Imperial Agent story. (Paraphrased.)
      The Imperial Agent story in SWTOR is literally the only thing which, for me, has rivaled KOTOR 2 in terms of elaborate storytelling.

    • @Lobsterwithinternet
      @Lobsterwithinternet 5 лет назад +10

      Just as planned...

    • @jacthing1
      @jacthing1 5 лет назад +27

      ​@@Lobsterwithinternet Im sure it was Tzeentch​. What you planning next?

  • @danieldosso2455
    @danieldosso2455 4 года назад +1166

    Kreia's Lessons:
    - Always ask questions (similar to Socrates)
    - Act to better the world around you, but not at the cost of yourself
    - The greatest victory is that of enlightenment (both of yourself and others)
    - Do not rely on others for your strength
    - Giving other what they have not earned may ripple negatively through the galaxy
    - Spreading pain, only causes more pain
    - Overcoming ones own struggles strengthens the individual, fighting others battles for them cheapens this victory
    - Those around you can be manipulated carefully to suit your own goals
    - Physical strength means nothing, refusing strength/ideology(ies) that you have not earned is true strength
    - Never live for an Ideology/others, if you do, find it's opposite so that you may strengthen your ideology by finding its flaws and correcting them
    - Free will is preferred over Fate
    - And so, each person is to be both a union of Good and Evil, as well as something more than just the sum of its parts
    - In the end, those that have mastered this, must live on to teach others.
    (If I've missed anything, please feel free to add or correct anything)

    • @luzmarinarodriguez9221
      @luzmarinarodriguez9221 4 года назад +155

      So you won't do anything? Apathy is death. Worse than death, because even a decomposing corpse will feed beasts and insects..
      KREIA.

    • @shiobanas
      @shiobanas 4 года назад +2

      Who are you?:)

    • @Shamino1
      @Shamino1 4 года назад +55

      Always ask questions (similar to Socrates)/ Yes.
      - Act to better the world around you, but not at the cost of yourself/ Better yourself, even at the cost of others, they exist to better you- it is better to be a dreamer than be part of someone else's dream
      - The greatest victory is that of enlightenment / The Greatest Victory is having your opponent see the folly of opposing you in the first place
      - Do not rely on others for your strength / Yes
      - Giving other what they have not earned may ripple negatively through the galaxy / Direct Quote from Nar'Shaddah. Yes.
      - Spreading pain, only causes more pain / Pain is a lesson. Formulate the lesson-plan before you apply it.
      - Overcoming ones own struggles strengthens the individual, fighting others battles for them cheapens this victory / Cheapens *their* Victory, yes.
      - Those around you can be manipulated carefully to suit your own goals / Remove the word carefully. If your ends are just, so are the means of which you attain the end
      - Physical strength means nothing, refusing strength/ideology(ies) that you have not earned is true strength / Physical prowess is temporary, erudition is forever.
      - Never live for an Ideology/others, if you do, find it's opposite so that you may strengthen your ideology by finding its flaws and correcting them / Begs the question why Kreia put all her hopes and dreams into one person.
      - Free will is preferred over Fate / Fate is the excuse provided by the losers or the unjust winners. Free-Will is the conscious understanding of following and adapting to ones fate.

    • @ogrbell8297
      @ogrbell8297 4 года назад +84

      Physical strength is not meaningless. Thats not what she was saying. She was telling the exile that earning your own strength, be it physical or otherwise, is true strength. Not borrowing, leeching, or mimicking others.
      Refer to every conversation had on Nar Shada.

    • @Vespyr_
      @Vespyr_ 4 года назад +26

      How to create a sociopath in 11 easy steps.

  • @TheActMan
    @TheActMan 7 лет назад +7347

    Wow. Just wow. Normally I wouldn't even consider watching a video of this length, but my love for the KOTOR games and Star Wars... and the force all told me I should watch at least a little. Goddamn was it worth it. This is quite possibly the best analysis of not just Kreia, but Star Wars as a whole. Well fucking done.

    • @lexort4204
      @lexort4204 6 лет назад +118

      The Act Man it is a damn good video totally worth watching. Just got done watching your Kotor video a few minutes ago lol.

    • @nicholaswiberly3825
      @nicholaswiberly3825 6 лет назад +30

      Hello there!

    • @haitrieulienthanh9851
      @haitrieulienthanh9851 6 лет назад +55

      So KOTOR 2, ActMan?

    • @sirpepeofhousekek6741
      @sirpepeofhousekek6741 6 лет назад +39

      The Act Man If you make a KOTOR 2 video, don't forget to mention Chris Avellone's original vision for the True Sith.

    • @linkhero60
      @linkhero60 6 лет назад +14

      I recently discovered your channel because of your review of KOTOR. I love all your halo videos as well. Your channel is amazing.

  • @karanhdream
    @karanhdream 3 года назад +1287

    In the grand scheme of things, Luke's character is an ode to humanity. Neither completely selfless or selfish, not overly powerful or wise and detached. Unbound by unattainable standards and dogmatic teachings and never ruled by greed or passion. He loved, he hated, he laughed, he cried, he suffered, he forgave, he LIVED. I wouldn't say he is beyond Jedi and Sith, not some holy mystic beyond light and dark. He has accepted his humanity, where both Jedi and Sith sought to detach themselves from it in different ways. He accepted the strength and weakness that come with humanity and simply strives to do his best, like most people in this world.

    • @kubobetterrelax7435
      @kubobetterrelax7435 3 года назад +114

      Legends Luke: force powers gooooo

    • @DoctorProph3t
      @DoctorProph3t 2 года назад +32

      The synthesis.

    • @natesamurai4799
      @natesamurai4799 2 года назад +30

      Wow, this comment should get more likes

    • @giosbizarreart9048
      @giosbizarreart9048 2 года назад +40

      Thats why imo Luke was the best jedi and is my top 2 favorite star wars characters

    • @NCHaskew
      @NCHaskew 2 года назад +1

      Until Disney absolutely obliterated him. Fuck the Last Jedi

  • @blakethornton5721
    @blakethornton5721 7 лет назад +1226

    WHO UPLOADS A 2 HOUR VIDEO ABOUT KOTOR 2?
    > *watches and enjoys entire video*

    • @Runningbaldman
      @Runningbaldman 7 лет назад +34

      Kotor 2 was such a good game. Too bad la forced its release before it was finished

    • @Mandatorian-r7o
      @Mandatorian-r7o 7 лет назад +14

      What is wonderful about our community though is that more than 10 years after the release of the game, it is still remembered and loved. People have spent months filling in the incomplete codes that the game has to create the completion mod. This mod allows for you to explore a few of the cut out content. I like swtor, but not nearly as much as kotor.

    • @Roboman1174
      @Roboman1174 9 месяцев назад +1

      This is my third watch over multiple years.

    • @Lyko5
      @Lyko5 8 месяцев назад +1

      That is what happens when you are presented a multifaced character and analyse her

    • @Lyko5
      @Lyko5 8 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, i was excited about kotor remake until it was canceled

  • @PrinceUzuRyu
    @PrinceUzuRyu 5 лет назад +2522

    Kreia : "...It's like pouring sand into his hands..."
    Anakin : "I hate you !"

    • @VTVIGTV
      @VTVIGTV 4 года назад +50

      UzuRyu it’s over Anakin! I have the Sand Ground!

    • @mikeor-
      @mikeor- 4 года назад +16

      "You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them; bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness! You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" -Obi-Wan Kenobi

    • @Renji9031
      @Renji9031 4 года назад

      @@VTVIGTV Anakin had the Higher Ground long before Obi-Wan had the high ground.

    • @narev6569
      @narev6569 4 года назад +10

      Only a Sith deals in absolutes. -An Absolute

    • @names_are_useless
      @names_are_useless 4 года назад +7

      Just imagining the Jedi Exile is Anakin, and Kreia trying to discuss philosophy through Prequel Anakin's thick skull ... quite amusing.

  • @MalikTheMambaEvans
    @MalikTheMambaEvans 4 года назад +1854

    I've gotta say, that game was wayyyy ahead of it's time.

    • @LesPaul2006
      @LesPaul2006 4 года назад +111

      It is still ahead of this time...

    • @Blackwat3rP4rk
      @Blackwat3rP4rk 4 года назад +23

      The best Star Wars game !

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth 4 года назад +102

      As it turns out, it was way ahead of another timeline entirely. Because we've only gotten dumber, and weaker entries. Thus, it is actually, in reality, a product of an era we've left behind.

    • @andreJT9
      @andreJT9 4 года назад +2

      Is star wars kotor??

    • @Blackwat3rP4rk
      @Blackwat3rP4rk 4 года назад +6

      @@andreJT9 Yes my friend, KoToR 2 specifically

  • @rockybubbles3462
    @rockybubbles3462 2 года назад +1396

    It kinda hurt me to realize that (imo) Kreia was extremely accurate, and would’ve completely changed the face of how we see force users in the future through teaching the exile. But the exile did not follow Kreia’s word to stay there and wait for people to come and learn. It was for nothing, nobody learned anything and the pattern continued. In a way, the force won against Kreia.

    • @matrix3509
      @matrix3509 2 года назад +305

      I mean, both Revan and the Exile judged the True Sith to be a danger that was far more of a priority than teaching new students. Blame the MMO for completely invalidating their choice, and making the "True Sith" just more stereotypical bad guys.

    • @travisporter5222
      @travisporter5222 2 года назад +40

      The force always win.

    • @troddenleper8915
      @troddenleper8915 2 года назад +165

      Well, judging from the last part of video, it may seem that even though Kreia ‘lost’, her teachings were still true and eventually ended up resurfacing in Luke. (Denied to follow ideology blindly, denied to abandon humanity but also resisted giving in to temptation and passion.)

    • @DoratTheKiller
      @DoratTheKiller 2 года назад +76

      Honestly, how can you win against the Force? If it is "an energy field generated by all living things" as the films say, then there is no way to end it without exterminating ALL organic life in the universe. Even if Kreia succeded in cutting off more people from the Force in the same way it happened to the Exile using the Mass Shadow Generator, aside from instantly killing trillions of people, it would eventually survive and return through those that aren't Force-sensitive but still generate it nonetheless.
      It's even *more* impossible if the Force controls the destiny of its users like Kreia implies, and that is made even more likely by the fact that "Chosen One"(s) like Anakin (but there may be more in the future to come, or more in the past we don't know about yet) can be coinceived from nothing (like Jesus Christ in Christianity) to bring about the Force's will.
      Essentially all living things are the Force's play field, and Force-sensitives its puppets.

    • @SourSourSour
      @SourSourSour 2 года назад +76

      truth is, the game was rigged from the start

  • @JRichard112
    @JRichard112 7 лет назад +5413

    Wait, wait, wait... Kreia, was actually trying to destroy not the Force... but Star Wars' own repetitive narrative. My, god...

    • @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.
      @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.  7 лет назад +630

      Yep.

    • @jennytalia6724
      @jennytalia6724 7 лет назад +537

      from what ive seen in other videos it actually goes deeper than this. there is a "ring theory" about how lucas constructed the formula to repeat itself so that he could maximize its impact on society. however, prequel haters don't like it lol

    • @perez2k144
      @perez2k144 7 лет назад +31

      +ִ your name is awesome

    • @charles125
      @charles125 7 лет назад +364

      Imagine her watching Episode 7

    • @epistemo3442
      @epistemo3442 7 лет назад +100

      John Wreed Wait, what if the Force is actually the repetitive narration.

  • @hen0tic02
    @hen0tic02 3 года назад +511

    This person is still hearting comments after 3+ years

  • @SomeYouTubeTraveler
    @SomeYouTubeTraveler 4 года назад +971

    D&D Character Sheet (Kreia): "What's your alignment?"
    Player: "No."

    • @PaulZeroSolis
      @PaulZeroSolis 4 года назад +72

      Kreia's alignment is Kreia-Central.

    • @vksasdgaming9472
      @vksasdgaming9472 4 года назад +65

      Lawful Cahotic Neutral Evil Good

    • @FriskXI
      @FriskXI 3 года назад +29

      Possibly chaotic neutral

    • @Irmarinen
      @Irmarinen 3 года назад +42

      @@FriskXI True Neutral, probabily

    • @FriskXI
      @FriskXI 3 года назад +50

      @@Irmarinen I used to think she was true neutral, but when I got to know the allignement system better, I realized it’s likely to be chaotic neutral

  • @pcdeltalink036
    @pcdeltalink036 2 года назад +665

    I come back to this video every now and then and I still have the same conclusion every time: Kreia is one of the most brilliant people in the entire Star Wars universe.

    • @raivin7172
      @raivin7172 2 года назад +30

      And one of the most brilliant characters in fiction

    • @cybergothika6906
      @cybergothika6906 Год назад +7

      Negative. She was the first to understand the ex machina the force represents, and for that she's cool, but curiosity took the best of her, it literally killed the cat, mind the pun. Yoda is the most brilliant, and I'm not his fanboy. The force is meant to circumvent the universe, so it is not needed once you pass the test it imposes. Kreia understand the same thing, but she remained "here" to get it. Translation = she just wanted to see it, as if the current life was the last opportunity to do it.

    • @nobushidono9897
      @nobushidono9897 Год назад +15

      How is the force not needed when Yoda and Obi-wan became force ghosts? They're literally still enslaved by the Force.

    • @shaarangvaze8623
      @shaarangvaze8623 11 месяцев назад +3

      The writers for the game needs a screenplay greenlight.

    • @lipayy9852
      @lipayy9852 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@cybergothika6906 To be fair yoda got like 500+ years of meditation on her 😂

  • @theHolderhek
    @theHolderhek 6 лет назад +1624

    Kreia was written to be a critique of Star Wars and in that became the embodiment of what can be accomplished philosophically within the framework of fiction. She is without a doubt the best written character in all of Star Wars. She is a cornerstone in the debate between free will and hard determinism. She takes a fantasy setting that most people think of as simplistic, good vs evil and turns in on its head over and over again.
    I named my newborn daughter Kreia in large part to this video reaffirming what I already partially understood.
    Thank you for making it.

    • @noorur
      @noorur 5 лет назад +30

      I agree with everything u said

    • @jennytalia6724
      @jennytalia6724 5 лет назад +56

      What's scary is you're probably not trolling

    • @jennytalia6724
      @jennytalia6724 5 лет назад +8

      @Dalen Lewin not you ya fuck wit the OP

    • @IgnacioAguilarToledo
      @IgnacioAguilarToledo 5 лет назад +32

      The Max LVL That's pretty cool. You should try to remember this comment of yours so you can show to your daughter when she is able to understand the philosophy. If that's actually the case, hi Kreia lol I wonder how good or bad all these comments criticising Disney will age

    • @JakobNoone
      @JakobNoone 5 лет назад +14

      @@jennytalia6724 Your comment is cruel. You should ask yourself why.

  • @no_one01-5
    @no_one01-5 7 лет назад +488

    This is not just an analysis about Kreia, or even Star Wars. It's an analysis about a lot of dualistic fiction out there. Extremely well done. My hat's off to you sir!

    • @Sakhmeov
      @Sakhmeov 7 лет назад +6

      This is an analysis about Democracy. As was the game.

    • @no_one01-5
      @no_one01-5 7 лет назад +3

      Sakhmeov oh you mean mob rule?

    • @Sakhmeov
      @Sakhmeov 7 лет назад +16

      +David Smith Quite. Or worse its devolution; the pretense of mob rule, with useful idiots responding to a Ponzi Scheme they believe they _have_ to stay in. If the former is Sion, then the latter is Nihlus.

    • @no_one01-5
      @no_one01-5 7 лет назад +6

      Sakhmeov Well said!

  • @JBrander
    @JBrander 4 года назад +2008

    Classmate: Hey, can you help me with this question from our homework?
    Me: Sure, it's easy
    Kreia: Why did you do that? By helping him, he is now weaker in trying to do homeworks on his own.

  • @ThomasRoiloup
    @ThomasRoiloup 3 года назад +926

    The thing I always appreciated the most about KOTOR 2 is that it makes the Jedi and Sith look like two very limited understandings of what the Force is really supposed to be, like a child's best guess of how a massively complicated machine is supposed to work, and the entire point of Kreia was to show that there were many more ways to understand things, possibly infinite ways, and only choosing one shuts you off to all the others.

    • @udozocklein6023
      @udozocklein6023 2 года назад +27

      @LordMunchkin right? basically like ideologies.
      naturally, if they split off the same thing, they would be extremes.

    • @disk3001
      @disk3001 2 года назад +45

      "you have taken a complicated question and divided into very simple paths" (or something like that)
      is one of my favorite quote of Kreia, because she basically described Star Wars sense of of moral.
      Everything needs to fit into the good vs bad mold and is more or less forced into being on either side, against their will most of time.
      The force, if you truly think about it, is terrifying.

    • @LightAndDarkMdness02
      @LightAndDarkMdness02 2 года назад +33

      @LordMunchkin
      No, they are extreme interpretations created by the consequence of "balance" with the Force. There is no third path to take. Kreia's version of a Force sensitive, of "synthesis", is one that is basically a Sith but isn't ruled by their lust for power and doesn't rely on the Force for the power they have. Since they aren't ruled by lust for power, they can think pragmatically and exert their will across the galaxy in ways neither the Jedi or Sith can do. The Force sensitive in question lives by the moral code that they deem is right and pragmatic, and they use their strength and their power that they have to prove they're right because might makes right.
      The concept of Grey Jedi as you imagine them do not exist. The Dark Side is a corruption of the Force created as a consequence of sentient life being in conflict with the selfless nature of the Force. To sit in the middle is to accept apathy, or begin a long and slow climb toward becoming a Sith Lord like Anakin and Revan.

    • @N120Xeno
      @N120Xeno 2 года назад +9

      @@LightAndDarkMdness02 not if you have self control. After all it’s we who have the ultimate say in what we do

    • @LightAndDarkMdness02
      @LightAndDarkMdness02 2 года назад +9

      @@N120Xeno
      While this is true, most people lack the self control and discipline to resist the temptation of the Dark Side. If not even the Chosen One could resist falling to the dark side, what chance do you have?

  • @nathanhopkins7976
    @nathanhopkins7976 5 лет назад +705

    50:12 Actually, there's a little know dialogue option that enables you to GAIN influence with Kreia, in spite of reuniting Lootra with his wife. You merely have to tell him to do the same kindness to another, should he be given the opportunity. He agrees, and Kreia tells you that was deftly handled, amplifying your own power by fostering trust and reliance from others, as well as bending the universe more to your way of thinking.
    It's possible to gain quite a lot of influence with Kreia while making light side choices if you approach the situation correctly, though most players who try to act like "good jedi" will have a difficult time doing so.
    What is often unacknowledged by Kreia's philosophy and worldview is that there are many situations where you can make both you AND others more powerful via your actions, best exemplified by your ability to train your companions in the ways of the force. The entire refugee sector on Nar Shadaa would actually be more interesting if, instead of fixing their problems for them, you could instead convince them to band together and take action for themselves, fighting off Serocco and the Exchange. Afterward, you now have a competent militia loyal to you, reinforcing your own power (which Kreia would approve of) while simultaneously making light side moves.

    • @aravindpallippara1577
      @aravindpallippara1577 4 года назад +76

      Thank you, this was one of things that kept nagging me all along during my lightside run (my only run) - Kreia just wanted to teach the exile how to change the world.
      She did so while attempting her own change in the world - by spreading her own ideology.
      Makes me think of self fulfilling prophecies and Von Neumann machines.

    • @mr.fabulousmegardev6256
      @mr.fabulousmegardev6256 4 года назад +15

      This is a very underrated comment. Why isn't this given more likes?!

    • @mr.fabulousmegardev6256
      @mr.fabulousmegardev6256 4 года назад +28

      In fact... it would be super-cool to make the latter half of your third paragraph its own mod, called "The Rise of the Rebellion", that not only reflects the refugees in Nar Shadaa, but also with the Ithorians on Telos (by training them to be able to defend themselves against Czerka and their likening).

    • @ravenstrategist1325
      @ravenstrategist1325 4 года назад +10

      @@mr.fabulousmegardev6256 The Ithorians will never fight however. They have the means to fight but refuse to do so.

    • @tomasbaldacci7566
      @tomasbaldacci7566 4 года назад +3

      Your idea is good,but you are forgetting that the more an organization grows the more the possibility of corruption there is.

  • @RevanPorkins
    @RevanPorkins 5 лет назад +891

    This story never being finished will haunt me forever.

    • @energy8025
      @energy8025 5 лет назад +54

      Same. But Obsidian is making good games again. We can hope my friend.

    • @MDPToaster
      @MDPToaster 5 лет назад +136

      Energeyser
      The obsidian that made Kotor 2 is long gone, I doubt we’ll ever get a SW game like it again.

    • @NexusEhh
      @NexusEhh 5 лет назад +74

      MDP_Toaster Obsidian, even in its current form, is able to make games like kotor 2. But with Disney and EA at the helm of Star Wars, they and other studios who could craft stories worthy of kotor 2 will never get their hands on the license.

    • @aaron75fy
      @aaron75fy 5 лет назад +18

      it's finished in a sense in SWTOR, you meet Revan in a flashpoint and the force apparition of the exile

    • @NexusEhh
      @NexusEhh 5 лет назад +79

      Aaron Page No one who truly liked kotor accepts what SWTOR did to Revan and the Exile. And since Disney erased all of the EU, they don’t have to

  • @sniperalexander248
    @sniperalexander248 5 лет назад +502

    “I love you, I would let the universe die for you.” Don’t make me blush old woman

    • @tegamingother
      @tegamingother 5 лет назад +35

      "But as I would do all of this for u little Jedi... I would only do it for ur knowledge and potential not appearance", "sorry not sorry🤷🏾"

    • @Tabby3456
      @Tabby3456 4 года назад +1

      me god mother

    • @TK-rz8gb
      @TK-rz8gb 4 года назад +41

      tfw no elderly sith goth gf

    • @josejesushernandezbustillo9139
      @josejesushernandezbustillo9139 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@TK-rz8gbwell, a mom who really loves you wants to teach any time, for you wealth because she loves you

  • @thevoidlookspretty7079
    @thevoidlookspretty7079 2 года назад +2920

    “This whole franchise is bullsh*t.”
    - Kreia.

    • @DiiceForeveroO
      @DiiceForeveroO 2 года назад +57

      💀

    • @zeebooboo9663
      @zeebooboo9663 2 года назад +134

      Basically

    • @nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457
      @nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 2 года назад +86

      Jolee would agree with this.

    • @Oliver-ld3ei
      @Oliver-ld3ei 2 года назад +302

      Kreia had visions of the sequel trilogy and just said “oh Hell nah”

    • @ziephel-6780
      @ziephel-6780 2 года назад +201

      @@Oliver-ld3ei Kreia tried to stop the Sequel Trilogy from happening but failed

  • @wrgrtgrethryegetgrtgrthewe6346
    @wrgrtgrethryegetgrtgrthewe6346 7 лет назад +432

    Something else interesting I just realized: Kreia tests the meta gamer. The most efficient ways to gain xp and improve the character stats in the game usually result in her scorn (and you have to bring her along since she gives you an xp boost). It's almost as if she wants the gamer to rely on their own strength and skill rather than rely solely on their over-leveled character.
    Just like how she scorns the Sith for their reliance on their OP force abilities...

    • @s.r.2985
      @s.r.2985 6 лет назад +47

      What an observation dammmm

    • @skyler114
      @skyler114 6 лет назад +12

      i was thinking something similar while i was playing through the TSLRCM today

    • @sat.chid.ananda
      @sat.chid.ananda 6 лет назад +29

      Also i just realized that the strength and relying on something like the force or a lightsaber is such a big theme, that it is even present in the mechanics! you can play the entire game without using the force or a lightsaber at all! you can play ith two blasters, max their abilities and you are set! it's amazing how even in that, it's present

    • @kettlemagic
      @kettlemagic 6 лет назад +10

      I normally play/re-play KOTOR 2 trying to gain as much XP as I can, but you've now given me a whole other way to role-play the game!

    • @Vulkanodox
      @Vulkanodox 5 лет назад +9

      stop reading too much into it. And she also bitches about everything over force skype when you dont take her along

  • @georgesturua5394
    @georgesturua5394 5 лет назад +445

    This video is like a movie that never makes you bored. This whole Kreia-story-thing is not just a Star Wars story. It can teach you to think differently or at least make you think about life. Enormous efforts have been put to this video.

  • @kinggg376
    @kinggg376 7 лет назад +609

    When you look at KOTOR2 and new movies you realise how hollow those movies realy are. Hats off to you for the amount of work you put into this.

    • @maleexile9053
      @maleexile9053 6 лет назад +8

      mATHETICS kathleen kennedy called she said the force is female

    • @RaikenXion
      @RaikenXion 6 лет назад +51

      The KOTOR games are far superior to Disney's sequel trilogy, Rian, Kathy Kennedy and those sjw activists and the Lucasfilm Story Group are so cynical, they choose to spite the fans, and dismiss anything from the EU stories, and these games, and yet there is a treasure trove of information, elements they could use to draw on for inspiration, to adapt into new movies.
      But when they do this they just shoot themselves in the foot, because the sequel trilogy movies have nothing to say underneath, there is no substance there and they are now deeply inconsistent with TLJ, the continuity is messed up.
      All they had to do was heavily inspire Rey off of either Bastila, Jaina or Kreia, or they could have taken things from each of those EU characters all rolled into one. The only thing the character of Rey is heavily based off of, is New-Wave Feminism.

    • @Deranfan
      @Deranfan 6 лет назад +5

      @@RaikenXion What does star wars have to do with sjw activists?

    • @OtaniNoAsagi
      @OtaniNoAsagi 6 лет назад +3

      Hildegard von Bingen this is true but they could have done something in their own way but they chose to ignore it. Kotor 1 and 2’s stories will never come out right on the big screen but they could have used the original timeline to help with their trilogy.

    • @kinggg376
      @kinggg376 5 лет назад

      @@hildegardvonbingen9092 well you are right but. Fuck, it doesnt take much to change from the plot of "BIG SHIP DO BOOM BAD GUY WANTS TO KILL GOOD GUYS". But who cares its just pop culture, not serious business.

  • @XDivineSouljax
    @XDivineSouljax 3 года назад +528

    The Jedi all turning on you on Dantooine is one of the craziest flips I've seen in a game. You go through all that trouble to save them and reveal the Sith and fix the planets they're hiding on that they could not and then they turn on you

    • @coherenttree3474
      @coherenttree3474 3 года назад +64

      Broke my heart when that happened

    • @jbone9900
      @jbone9900 2 года назад +1

      Their goal is to put you back in exile without the force due to fear.

    • @kingnamor777
      @kingnamor777 2 года назад +59

      I call that a b**** move. By the Jedi master from Kotor ll.

    • @StoriesByDighe
      @StoriesByDighe 2 года назад +101

      Shows how blind and scared they had become.

    • @kaizerhakim1129
      @kaizerhakim1129 Год назад +135

      "She brings truth and you condemned it. The arrogance"
      ~Kreia

  • @KingOfMadCows
    @KingOfMadCows 4 года назад +410

    What I really like about KotoR 2 is how it allows you to hold an opposing view to Kreia without punishing you. You can play a goody two-shoes Jedi and the game doesn't have all your choices end up with horrible consequences just because the writers disagree with that view. If you play as a pure light Jedi, most of your choices will still have good results, with people being saved from slavery, planets being rebuilt, criminals being taken down, just rulers creating stable safe nations, etc.
    The game tells you that as well thought out as Kreia's views are, they aren't above scrutiny and should also be challenged.

    • @Aqueox
      @Aqueox 3 года назад +109

      Kreia herself doesn't even scold you horribly. She simply wants you to make your *own choices*. It's why she loved Revan, in a way. Revan was always himself.

    • @Dogmelter42
      @Dogmelter42 3 года назад +1

      @@Aqueox ... Well, until he wasn't.

    • @Aqueox
      @Aqueox 3 года назад +46

      @@Dogmelter42 I do not acknowledge false tales.

    • @StudM01
      @StudM01 3 года назад +54

      But Kreia's ideas don't seem to be very well thought out at all, she seems more like a postmodern edgelord hiding bad ideas behind fancy words and shock value.
      Helping others by empowering them to become more self-reliant is of course better than doing all their work for them, but providing your help as a booster rocket to get them to that level where they can help themselves is entirely admirable, and no civilization could possibly survive without that kind of cooperation.
      Kreia's idea of providing no help at all under any circumstances, because every individual should have to swim or die on their own as if they were an island, is not only evil... It's massively illogical because no kind of galactic civilization could even be possible without some form of mutual cooperation and mentorship by those who have already achieved more experience and can pass that on to you.
      If two parents tried to raise their one month old baby so that someday they can become a successful adult, I feel like Kreia would be telling the parents that they were wrong to rob the child of its challenge, and tell them to next time let the baby feed itself.
      ... Now those parents have one dead baby, and a smug Kreia expecting a thank you.

    • @danielburson4538
      @danielburson4538 3 года назад +57

      @@StudM01 I disagree she never said don't help but only help if it's going to add to your life, an example feeding your child is good for you so Kraya would agree with this decision but if your child is an adult teach them to fish and let them feed themselves she's not above teaching you to help yourself and how to do it but she's not going to let you become dependent on others I feel you missed her whole point and belief system

  • @BIGESTblade
    @BIGESTblade 6 лет назад +409

    This game is a prime example of what video games can teach. The wise learn from all posible sources, not just the traditional ones. These lessons are simple, yet it's surprising how many people fail to learn them.

    • @MarlonSolisFallas
      @MarlonSolisFallas 5 лет назад +43

      Much of my english vocabulary has been learned in games, hell, even me speaking a second language is thanks to videogames.

    • @archerdark7524
      @archerdark7524 5 лет назад +3

      @@MarlonSolisFallas Ikr. Greetings from Hungary.

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 лет назад

      Kill or Be Killed, Trust N0 0NE ? lol...

    • @dzikripratama3776
      @dzikripratama3776 4 года назад +1

      @@MarlonSolisFallas i also learn English from Final Fantasy 7 :))

    • @DiogoJ1
      @DiogoJ1 3 года назад

      Kreia has nothing of use to teach me, I'm afraid.

  • @feradferadov1975
    @feradferadov1975 3 года назад +1222

    "You're placed under house arrest for blowing up a solar system."
    That one got me.

    • @meinerHeld
      @meinerHeld 3 года назад +6

      hahaha! me too

    • @miccool9ice363
      @miccool9ice363 3 года назад +68

      That sounds so damn hilarious
      *proceeds to blow up solar system*
      Judge: Based on the crimes you have committed, the amount of lives lost, amount of property damage, and overall destruction and death that came from your actions; I have no choice but to give the maximum sentence under the extent of the law
      “House Arrest”

    • @ArchivistMarker
      @ArchivistMarker 3 года назад +21

      @@miccool9ice363 on their defense, everyone living on the stations are already dead before they awake. However, they still blow up a system to smithereen....

    • @Fabboi_unl
      @Fabboi_unl 3 года назад +2

      Relatable

    • @azzzanadra
      @azzzanadra 3 года назад +3

      @@ArchivistMarker well, in my female playthrough, the sith were the ones to blow up the planet

  • @shishisei
    @shishisei 3 года назад +344

    The scene between Yoda and again is such an underrated gem. Hayden Christensen suffered from poor directing, but it's body language is perfect.
    Even back then i was impressed: Anakin was really trying to follow the jedi path, but then the wisest master replied to his cry for help with empty words. And anakin's feelings are conveyed with no words : once Yoda proved himself useless, anakin just slouches and looks away, diverting his eyes, no longer paying attention

    • @Whitebeardtheking9
      @Whitebeardtheking9 Год назад +19

      Not really. Master Yodas advice was quite sound: let go of all you fear to lose. He never said don't feel or care about anything. He wanted to instill in Anakin that you can care too much about something and do horrible things because of that. And the point was proven. Anakin couldn't accept his wife dying and ended up precipitating events that led to it. Had he controlled himself, he may have been able to keep her longer. But I agree about the body language. Hayden played the part of confused scribe quite well he seemed like he didn't know what to do which is incredibly relatable.

    • @SoftisNelaris
      @SoftisNelaris Год назад +74

      @@Whitebeardtheking9 Yoda (and the Jedi as whole) always gave Anakin platitudes. Absolute statements. They never tried to get to know him, to relate to him and empathize with his pain and his fears. They completely failed to understand that Anakin, *born and raised a slave then thrust into a galactic war* (with all the mental issues that accompany it), was a person who did not relate to abstractions. He only understood the tangible things in front of him: Weapons, starships, droids, fighting techniques... And most importantly, the actions people around him.
      The principles of Yoda (and the Jedi as a whole) are not what is in question. They are good principles to hold. The failing is in the communication of those principles... And *that* is squarely on the shoulders of the Jedi.

    • @Whitebeardtheking9
      @Whitebeardtheking9 Год назад +3

      @Softis Neleris maybe, but keep in mind that Anakin became a jedi by the jedi going against their code. He was too old to train by their standards and had formed strong relations with his mother as a young boy. These feelings would cause him to go against his orders later in life, trying to save her. When she died, his descent toward the dark began. By not adhering to the jedis belief of restraint he began to wonder if the force could be used to control. Not to mention, imagine his own hubris that led to a lot of bad things that plagued him. He was cocky even as an apprentice since he knew he was the chosen one, and this led him to believe that he didn't need to learn as much since he was basically the jedis ace in the hole. When he lost his arm to Dooku, he learned he wasn't top dog. He took this time to learn Form V in order to become a stronger swordsman. This worked but fed his ego and belief that might makes right. Anakins' fall is tied to his identity as the chosen one, his strong emotional ties, his failure to maintain control over his emotions, and his inability to accept things beyond his control.

    • @SoftisNelaris
      @SoftisNelaris Год назад +46

      @@Whitebeardtheking9 And what of Luke? He began his training at twice Anakin's age, had already formed relations with his (surrogate) mother *and* father, with Obi-wan, Han, and Leia, and even his father... And despite this, he turned out fine. But then, Luke was far more stable than Anakin. He did not have a laundry list of mental issues to sort out, and he had people who he was able to connect with, people who could give him the support he needed.
      But the Jedi provided no such thing for Anakin. He would come to them, increasingly troubled and unable to cope... Only to have his problems dismissed outright, every single time. If he could simply let go of his fears, then he would not be constantly driven by them and asking his teachers for help time and time again.
      The Jedis' obsession with beginning training as toddlers rebounded in their face and they had no idea how to deal with a real human. They'd been raised in an insulated bubble, only taught the Jedi code and nothing more. As a result, they had no idea how to handle an actual adult with actual human problems. They're automatons, repeating the same generic phrases ad nauseum. They don't make an effort to sit down, to talk out his problems and help him heal, to *connect* with him. As a result, neither side understands the other, and all Anakin has left is Padme and Palpatine.

    • @Whitebeardtheking9
      @Whitebeardtheking9 Год назад +3

      @Softis Neleris the jedi are the orthodox for all intents and purposes in Star Wars. The things they preach allow one to resist temptation and avoid falling to the dark side. Yes, Luke was raised younger and had emotional connections. But also remember he could control his emotions far better than his father. Also, remember he wasn't ever told he was a chosen one or needed to fulfill a Prophecy. The jedi didn't dismiss Anakin, but they advised me to clear his mind, control his emotions, and be willing to let go of what he feared to lose. The Jedi are human too, but they try to instill wisdom so that people can control and accept things they can't stop. And since the force can essentially grant you the ability to destroy stars, influence peoples minds, and everything in between, they dont want you to make decisions based on emotion, les you use your power for personal gain.. Anakin simply didn't have the mental or emotional strength to endure, which is what makes a jedi, a jedi.

  • @odinson4184
    @odinson4184 3 года назад +2865

    Talking to Kreia be like:
    Influence lost: Kreia
    Influence gained: Kreia
    Light side gained
    Dark side gained

    • @bryuhMan
      @bryuhMan 3 года назад +131

      in a nutshell yes

    • @bryuhMan
      @bryuhMan 3 года назад +5

      @Levi Cato long live MSF

    • @fulltimeslackerii8229
      @fulltimeslackerii8229 3 года назад +7

      Stolen, unoriginal joke

    • @odinson4184
      @odinson4184 3 года назад +37

      @@fulltimeslackerii8229 k

    • @bryuhMan
      @bryuhMan 3 года назад +40

      @@fulltimeslackerii8229 hilarious and original

  • @carlborneke8641
    @carlborneke8641 5 лет назад +2338

    I never imagine that THE FORCE would turn out to be true villain of the franchise

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 лет назад +72

      26:35 HIGH AS HECK - Trippin' on the Force. The FORCE is not the villain. It is the Addiction to the Force ENERGY that destroy both Jedi & Sith.
      The Jedi Kidnapping, Slavery, and Abuse of Child Soldiers progressively leads their victims down the path of FORCE ADDICTION.
      LIGHTly addicted force users, using hits of the Force for 'good', actually for totalitarian authoritarianism and Collectivism. Force powered Thugs.
      Eventually, continual use of the force leads to the DARKer addiction, force lightening, force choking and control of others.
      The disregard of Self Life, force celibacy and forbidding of intimate relationships and family degrades into a disregard for all life, despair of all hope for good, and predictable self destructive behavior.
      The Force should be studied and understood, with the full and direct understanding that any use of the Force eventually leads to addiction.
      The One individual in the video is correct. LOVE is to be enjoyed and experience, not banished. LOVE and passion requires both self discipline and self control. These are not new ideas, most cultures promote monogamy to assist in family stability and the raising of children.
      The Jedi fundamentally disregard the well being of the children they kidnap and enslave. Naturally the children will grow to resent being victimized, and hate their masters that stole them from their real families.
      To Balance the Jedi / Sith Career path : 1. No more Kidnapping. 2. No more enslavement. 3. Adult 18+ volunteers only.
      4. Awareness of the Force Addiction, all Force users eventually will become 'Darkly' addicted. Regular medical check ups and technology would be developed to detect when individuals are at risk of Dark addiction. Medications would be developed, or medical procedures for surgical alteration to prevent Force Addiction from causing skin and brain damage, with therapy to help them over come the disease.
      5. No more Celibacy. To Love Life and Value Life, having a spouse and children gives the Jedi-Sith work / life balance. A Home. Family.
      These Circle of Life factors are encoded in different ways for all species, but all Living species are driven to continue living, continue existing, through what ever form of natural reproduction and recombination is encoded in their genes. Living DNA should not be extinguished by dogmatic false teachings. To do so is Genocide, and Genocide for any reason is a Hate Crime. The Celibacy is a Hate Crime, a War Crime.
      Destruction of the Individual, and of their families is never good for the ''common good''. Such Collectivism is the harm caused by the errors of socialist-communist thinking. You can not create a ''common good'' by destroying the very individuals that make up that ''common''.
      The CORE of all civilization is healthy families. Human or Alien ! :-) 6. Encourage Jedi Dating, weddings, and families. 7. The new generations of Jedi will be more sensitive to the Force, and perhaps, eventually, naturally, evolve resistance to addiction. The newer generations of Force enabled people will use the force without effort, just another form of the senses, like touch, sight, scent, and hearing... Fully alive and without dependency.

    • @dend1
      @dend1 5 лет назад +40

      @Language and Programming Channel Metaphor for Republicans and Democrats. The illusion of choice obscures the truth.Two sides of the same coin.

    • @savagetv6460
      @savagetv6460 5 лет назад +18

      @@dend1 dems are the sith and the republicans are the jedi

    • @arthurmorel1943
      @arthurmorel1943 5 лет назад +5

      @@SeaJay_Oceans Damn this is a great way of looking at it. Do you have a degree in Philosophy???

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 лет назад +35

      Outcomes evolve from pathways.
      pathways grow from beginnings.
      Jedi/Sith are founded on slavery and addiction.
      midi- chlorians infection is Galaxy wide...
      A super organism that consumes individual hosts if the Force energy addiction runs to its full course.
      The Jedi genocide of celibacy and child kidnapping starts a beginning of enslaved helplessness, follows a pathway of violence, emotional neglect, & psychological abuse, and ends predictably with self destructive over dosing drug dependency upon Force Energy.
      You see the same patterns in victims of Heroin addiction... Starts off as a fun time / party drug, but rapidly destroys the health and families of addicts, almost always ending in overdose deaths, unless real help intervention rescues them from self destruction.
      The Star Wars inspiration can be seen in the party drugs of the 70s 80s & 90s, and the
      wild Hollywood lifestyle of those decades.

  • @jujuplayboy
    @jujuplayboy 4 года назад +543

    A perfect resume of Kreia in the game at 43:43
    "Whichever option you select, Kreia will scorn you."

    • @DiogoJ1
      @DiogoJ1 3 года назад +33

      Let her waste her breath. She's like the stepmother that is always complaining about everything you do. Just do what is right and tell her to bug off.

    • @richardleach2906
      @richardleach2906 3 года назад +46

      It follows Kreia's philosophy of constantly criticizing dogma so that one never becomes a slave to a single ideology. You go right, she'll complain you didn't go left. In the end you listen less to how others try to guide you and find your own path.

    • @kenjinpiniteu
      @kenjinpiniteu 3 года назад +44

      @@richardleach2906 Exactly. Kreia being critical of your choices in-game is a bit like a test on how you take her criticisms. Do you adjust to suit her whims, and thus prove her right that you have no sense of self and merely follow what others want you to do? Or do you go the opposite way just to spite her, and thus prove again, that you are beholden to your emotions instead of logical thought?
      The right way is think things through, weigh the choices and make a decision on what you want to do - and pay no credence whether others (including Kreia herself) will feel morally contrasted with your choices.

    • @BlackDiamond2718
      @BlackDiamond2718 3 года назад +3

      I gave up at the fact that there were times that I could not be right in her eyes. Didn’t think of it as that there are always mistakes in either side and you must challenge each choice you make to understand what effect that you cause.

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 3 года назад +2

      She should change her name to Darth Karen then.

  • @volco902
    @volco902 2 года назад +156

    Props Sara Kestelman, the voice actor for Kreia. She did a phenomenal job.

  • @Dave-um7mw
    @Dave-um7mw 7 лет назад +4875

    Well done. Kreia would have been proud of you for collecting this knowledge... and upset at you for sharing it with us instead of letting us go threw the challenges of collecting the knowledge ourselves. 😉

    • @InnSewerAnts
      @InnSewerAnts 7 лет назад +134

      Darth Dictionarius here, your first lesson my apprentice: Through the challenges*, now go forth and murder me some Jedi. I offer you UN.. LIMI.. TED lexical advice.

    • @0th_Law
      @0th_Law 7 лет назад +61

      So, as I offer... Unlimited Lexical Advice!

    • @ianbaker672
      @ianbaker672 7 лет назад +186

      I doubt she would feel upset for giving the knowledge because we do not truly know it until we have perceived it. She would be upset if you experienced it and still didn't learn, which is something ,from my perspective, that happens all too often.

    • @Dave-um7mw
      @Dave-um7mw 7 лет назад +51

      Ian Baker True, Kreia loathes the idea of wisdom being wasted on those who chose to ignore it. I wonder though how she feels about acquiring something vs having something given to you?

    • @DarthSkorn222
      @DarthSkorn222 7 лет назад +12

      Dave Smith It's a great question, value is subjective and completely in the eye of the beholder. I do see your point about it holding less value. Because it was given and not earned. But that also is subjective and only true from a certain point of view. :-)

  • @SudsyMedusa53
    @SudsyMedusa53 4 года назад +1050

    STATEMENT: APATHY IS DEEEAAAAAAATH.

    • @Shiftinggers
      @Shiftinggers 4 года назад +36

      "Hesitation is defeat" - Isshin Ashina

    • @mosu95
      @mosu95 4 года назад +1

      I'm singing this in my head now. Thanks xD

    • @Lithium50
      @Lithium50 4 года назад +11

      Annoying Recitation: Let us proceed to facilitate communications.

    • @GuyUWishUWere
      @GuyUWishUWere 4 года назад +2

      chocolate is delicious

    • @mikeor-
      @mikeor- 4 года назад +2

      There is no death, there is only the Force.

  • @roshia_2783
    @roshia_2783 5 лет назад +1151

    The Kotor duology succeeded where Force Awakens and Last Jedi failed.
    Kotor 1 and TFA were meant to give you everything you loved about Star Wars. But only Kotor 1 could do that in a meaningful way and have actual substance and emotional weight.
    Kotor 2 and TLJ were meant to deconstruct the Star Wars lore and its concept of morality. But only Kotor 2 could do it in a way that actually sheds a new light on the lore.

    • @moonrocked
      @moonrocked 5 лет назад +58

      Oh my god thank you i thought i was the only one that realized that.

    • @SeanORaigh
      @SeanORaigh 5 лет назад +14

      This is a incredibly superficial and bad take.

    • @eidolon1426
      @eidolon1426 5 лет назад +95

      @@SeanORaigh
      Coming from the guy who defends the Sequels... which means you don't have much to offer in relation to a conversation about something being "superficial."

    • @lukaschapman9594
      @lukaschapman9594 5 лет назад +52

      @@SeanORaigh
      Care to explain yourself at all?

    • @kiroslepoto
      @kiroslepoto 5 лет назад +24

      @@lukaschapman9594 ofc not, this is npc and it has a limited dialogue ...

  • @yaboiJG
    @yaboiJG 2 года назад +406

    Kreia is the most unfathomably based character in the entirety of the Star Wars canon

  • @sydniusalminia5364
    @sydniusalminia5364 6 лет назад +383

    It still blows my mind that some of the most important lessons of my life were taught by a fictional videogame character. Even crazier is that there are still to this day lessons I missed.

    • @a.m.9993
      @a.m.9993 5 лет назад +22

      Aaron Brindley Yes, I can say the same of SWTOR actually even if it’s not as philosophically deep as KOTOR. Our society and generation is severely lacking if it takes a game to do a better job at instilling values.

    • @Rhodiac
      @Rhodiac 5 лет назад +14

      @@a.m.9993 Our society has lacked depth for a while now. Kreia is an existentialist. Don't help others for the sake of feeling virtuous. Don't be a tyrant for the sake of power. Living on the border of chaos and order is the divine creating force of the universe. We've titled too far into chaos we've mistaken for freedom.
      We lack discipline and so we forsake responsibility. We will all pay the price unless we create our own echos. Like Kreia says.

    • @xerotrosion3460
      @xerotrosion3460 5 лет назад +1

      Sydnius Alminia same😂😂

    • @a.m.9993
      @a.m.9993 5 лет назад +6

      Kodiak I actually just finished playing KOTOR 2 ( I watched this video before actually playing both games because it caught my interest) and I have to say the beauty and depth of both stories brings tears to my eyes. I thought I wouldn’t like KOTOR 2 as much as the first one but I came to realize there was so much wisdom in it, especially with Kreia. Although I already have my own religious beliefs, there is so much to gain from the characters, so many lessons. I was impressed by the conviction of each member of the Exile’s crew, as well as by their gradual character development. I feel as though they are the mentors I never had, and I in turn taught them as well. Even Kreia, being “evil,” through all of her lessons, impacted my perspective on life. Thus, watching this video now has so much more weight.

  • @Daisycutting2
    @Daisycutting2 5 лет назад +1810

    They set the bar so high with writing in this game that almost everything else that followed in the sw games and films just felt hollow

    • @I_am_a_cat_
      @I_am_a_cat_ 5 лет назад +163

      You're so right. I love star wars, this star wars. Not the shit we're fed nowadays

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 5 лет назад +80

      the sad thing is, I cant watch both preKyloRen trilogies anymore thanks to KOTOR1&2's depth. And I dunno if I should be thankful or disgusted by the impact Kreia, Revan & others had on me from this :/

    • @EricGraham94
      @EricGraham94 5 лет назад +94

      Evilriku13 if it makes you guys feel any better, the Disney Star Wars is now being proven now more than ever (even Disney will admit this) that Star Wars under their control is a dumpster fire because they’ve made it so. Merchandise isn’t being bought, Galaxy’s Edge is a portion of Disneyland that remains empty, and younger generations don’t even like the franchise anymore. It’s only a matter of time before the franchise is deemed worthless to Disney and can return to more capable hands

    • @EramarGaming
      @EramarGaming 5 лет назад +36

      @Daisycutting2 i totally agree with you and to be frank, a game series as KOTAR 1&2 can NEVER occur again ... unless it's a remake like what is being done with Final Fantasy 7.
      To explain my point take these facts regarding the force sensitive population in account, some of which were explained in this video (These, viewed from the movies era excluding the Clone Wars);
      1- The Jedi Order, at the time of the movies, can be counted for about 95% of the "trained" force users
      2- The Sith order members would account for possibly 0.1 to 0.5% of the population (Yoda; "There are always 2 Sith; The Master and The Apprentice), i'm willing to go up to 0.5% of that population to include potential trained Sith assassins
      3- The rest would be Force sensitive individuals that were never found by both orders with the exception of
      4- 0,000...1% of the trained Force Sensitive population that could be classified as Grey Jedi.
      As stated in the Video, Kreia is a TOTAL ANOMALY as 1 she was trained as a Jedi that fell to the Dark side. In there, she was ... Trapped until her link was severed, which in turn forced her to review her obsession for Power (I know i'm oversimplifying but meh) AND she survive the encounter with the Siths that performed that act.
      This series of events would be so rare in the Star Wars universe that it can only be the exception that confirms the rule and even this last statement is WAY too LIGHT in my taste.
      Thus, with all those elements combined ... i think that an other game with 2nd character that would desire to make the universe "desensitized" from the force, as Kreia desired, would simply be an aberration.

    • @OOTO.
      @OOTO. 5 лет назад +51

      This shit is canon to me.....

  • @BKapLive
    @BKapLive 5 лет назад +372

    This game was more of a philosophical art piece. Crazy how good this was when they had little time with this game. All time favorite game by far

  • @lordnihilus3198
    @lordnihilus3198 3 года назад +913

    Jedi: there is no ignorance, there is knowledge
    Also Jedi: *IGNORE THE WHOLE MANDALORIAN WARS*
    no wonder Kreia wanted them to see.

    • @rsxmaster
      @rsxmaster 2 года назад +93

      Yeah the more you learn about KOTOR lore, the more you realize how messed up the Jedi actually are

    • @mittensbro
      @mittensbro 2 года назад +91

      @@rsxmaster That really is one of the major points of KOTOR 2, and it's one of the things I love about it so much. The game does not label you as a "bad person" for getting into several long arguments with Atris about why it was a scumbag thing to do to sit back and watch the galaxy get murdered just because "patience is a virtue" or whatever the fuck.

    • @philip8498
      @philip8498 2 года назад +35

      well, they knew the war was happening but stayed inactive regardless. and since apathy is worse than death it is no wonder they all died.

    • @aacm1259
      @aacm1259 2 года назад +40

      No, they explain it quiet well, they where going to join but they CORRECTLY sensed that there was something else behind the mandalorians and wanted time to correctly assess it. Revan said fuck that went to war, found the Emperor and return a Sith to just about bring the extinction fo the Jedi. The Jedi Master where blind on their judgement of Meetra Surik but not about the Mandalorian Wars.

    • @SirTorcharite
      @SirTorcharite 2 года назад +1

      @@aacm1259 Ding! Ding! Ding!
      They made the inverse decision to the Prequel Trilogy Jedi council. Where Yoda immediately suspected something was up upon discovering a Republic Grand clone army exactly when it was needed. He went along with the flow of things. The Galactic Civil War went exactly as Palpatine planned because the Council just went to the aid of it's constituents under attack.
      The Old Republic council chose to go against the flow at any cost up to and above whole planets of peaceful civilians. All to avoid an unseen trap they're certain exists.
      They chose to sacrifice a few planets to save the Republic. While the PT Jedi council tumbled headfirst into the trap, saved a few planets but caused the downfall of the entire Republic.
      Idk what game these other guys were playing? Even a unicorn like Revan could only attempt to stop the events in motion after he recognized it. Bar such unique individuals from the equation and exercising caution is clearly the disappointing frustrating reasonableness of it.

  • @JumboRadish
    @JumboRadish 3 года назад +530

    -"Pfff, I'm not going to watch the whole video."
    -2 hours later: "Interesting"

    • @hjertrudfiddlecock4394
      @hjertrudfiddlecock4394 3 года назад +8

      Pfff, I'm not going to watch the whole video again
      fify

    • @foxxllee
      @foxxllee 3 года назад +1

      Im scared to start back again... innocent 5 min and boom, a whole... once more... 2021✔

  • @chrismarsh1890
    @chrismarsh1890 7 лет назад +679

    That moment when you realize that Kreia's entire story is the force telling us that nobody can stop its will. If you try, it will destroy you.
    There is no coincidence. When the force could not stop Kreia with the Jedi, it tried with the Sith. When it could not stop her with the Sith, it used HER. It placed her with the Exile, which through it's echoes influenced her to try and use the Exile for her own ends. However, it was the Force's will to re-establish the Exile's connection to the force, and ultimately use that connection to destroy Kreia.
    KotOR2 is a story to tell us that the Force cannot be stopped.

    • @Vigriff
      @Vigriff 7 лет назад +74

      ...Then that means there is no hope...

    • @Vigriff
      @Vigriff 7 лет назад +22

      True, both the Jedi and the Sith simply refuse to change their ways.

    • @3rasvok24
      @3rasvok24 7 лет назад +55

      Well, if you ignore the franchise canon and only look at kotor 2. The game does offer you the option to stay behind and continue what kreia started and since the force has no control over the exile it could become a reality.

    • @Bodwaizer
      @Bodwaizer 7 лет назад +12

      "franchise canon" HAhaa

    • @billytheconqueror5803
      @billytheconqueror5803 7 лет назад +35

      Star Wars is a subtle way of showing the destructive and inevitable conflict between left and right wing politics

  • @TheGowmaster
    @TheGowmaster 7 лет назад +260

    Sara Kestelman did such a great role as the voice of Kriea, easily one of the best voice acting to be heard on game. If they ever bring back Kreia in some form, they need to bring back Sara.

    • @adelerodriguez5636
      @adelerodriguez5636 7 лет назад +5

      TheAnimator727 No Sara, then no Kriea. Unless they bring a younger version of her

    • @comraddisc2783
      @comraddisc2783 6 лет назад

      @@adelerodriguez5636 Some amazing stuff about her becoming Kreia, for example?..

    • @papabroly8000
      @papabroly8000 4 года назад +2

      She sounds like Dahlia Gillespie from Silent Hill 1, but less dramatic. I'll have to see if the names line up.
      Edit: I was wrong. Dahlia was voiced by Liz Mamorsky. RIP.

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 4 года назад

      One hsould get in contact with her and tell her how much the community appreciates her work. I mean Sara kestelman is already in her 80s (afaik) so.. I think she should know how much of an impact she made with that character alone! And how much more popular she got nowadays :D

  • @Brainflayer
    @Brainflayer 2 года назад +184

    When you think about it, The Force is the perfect plot device in a way, it ensures there will always be conflict between Sith and Jedi and that neither side can truly be free from its influence without sacrificing something they believe they cannot live without.

    • @Kite403
      @Kite403 Год назад +17

      Stories that involve the preservation of Balance tend to devolve into this problem. The "Light Side" can be just as oppressive as the "Dark Side" when one becomes more powerful than the other, but inevitably, the pendulum has to swing back into place. When the Light becomes too bright, the Dark will be empowered to suppress it; When the Dark becomes too encompassing, the Light will shine through to relieve it. And all the while, lives will be lost in the name of some simplistic, flimsy morality, i.e "LIght good, Dark bad"

    • @occam7382
      @occam7382 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Kite403, except that's not how the Force was ever supposed to work in Star Wars, at all.

    • @r32guy85
      @r32guy85 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@occam7382 than how DOES it work

    • @silverdragon7385
      @silverdragon7385 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@r32guy85 Simple. There's no light side. It's an invention of the EU. The Force is simply life, both the good and the bad. By doing good, good will come to us, and by learning from bad, we become better versions of ourselves.
      Then there's the corruption of life. When we seek good to the detriment of others. That's the Dark side. The corruption. Chasing ever higher standards for the old standards are no longer enough. There's no balance in life with this. Rampant drug abuse, misuse of power, oil money, you name it. It's a never ending cycle of wanting more. The Dark side doesn't make people evil, and that's a stupid misconception spread by people that wrote about Star Wars without understanding it. Bad people create the Dark Side.
      The only way to achieve peace and happiness, is by accepting what life gives you, both good and bad, and becoming the best version of you that you can.

    • @one-shotrailgun8713
      @one-shotrailgun8713 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​​@@r32guy85literally no response even after a while.

  • @anarchosherman961
    @anarchosherman961 5 лет назад +1341

    "Be on your guard, otherwise you may learn something." Big oof.

    • @danieldosso2455
      @danieldosso2455 4 года назад +41

      Leeeeaaaarrrrrnnnnniiinnnnggg... It hurts, make it stop :c

    • @hectorandem2944
      @hectorandem2944 4 года назад +39

      Medieval religious zealots: *Hmmmmmmmm* 🤔

    • @sinquejackson966
      @sinquejackson966 4 года назад +2

      Hector Andem x CVS king)j c I gxjx

    • @meris8486
      @meris8486 4 года назад +22

      One of her few jokes

    • @g07denslicer
      @g07denslicer 4 года назад +2

      Please have the decency to timestamp, especially on a 2-hour video

  • @adonijahwolf379
    @adonijahwolf379 4 года назад +454

    “I thought you died during the mandalorian wars!”
    “Die? No. Became stronger? Yes.”
    Bit sassy.

    • @Phoenix0F8
      @Phoenix0F8 5 месяцев назад +4

      I love how the sentence structure mirrors Yoda, too.

    • @dangerzone6372
      @dangerzone6372 5 месяцев назад

      @@Phoenix0F8 it doesn't

  • @logicaldude3611
    @logicaldude3611 3 года назад +834

    Obsidian made this game so deep and dark, they put so much thought into it. The overall story of the first KOTOR can't be beat, but the depth of the characters and the dark direction of the second game makes it an absolutely great experience.

    • @you-5-iver804
      @you-5-iver804 3 года назад +68

      I think 2 had a superior story.

    • @ntvm4749
      @ntvm4749 3 года назад +23

      imo 2 is better but could have been EVEN BETTER IF THE ENDING WASN'T......... Y'KNOW 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @markmitin7397
      @markmitin7397 3 года назад +38

      @Bry-Fi If KOTOR is generic, then it must be hard for you in this age of gaming.

    • @Horoprime
      @Horoprime 2 года назад +25

      @@markmitin7397 it really is hard

    • @michaelblower7363
      @michaelblower7363 2 года назад +20

      Probably opening a can of worms here but I think KOTOR 2 is what The Last Jedi ought to have been. With a jaded Luke Skywalker taking on a Kreia-like attitude.

  • @tracesosebee5485
    @tracesosebee5485 Год назад +94

    It's... mindblowing how well Kreia's speech works with the Order 66 scene...

  • @rovidicus9574
    @rovidicus9574 7 лет назад +6870

    0:00 Intro to Kreia
    2:28 The Jedi Code
    3:56 Jedi/Buddhist Philosophy comparison
    5:10 The Sith Code
    6:24 Nietzsche/Sith Philosophy comparison
    7:10 Kreia's duality
    8:25 Atris's path mirroring Kreia's past
    9:49 Arren Kae's "fall" from the Jedi Order
    11:30 Darth Traya's origins
    12:50 Why Jedi keep falling to the dark side
    17:50 Anakin's example
    19:50 Jolee Bindo's rejection of traditional Jedi teaching
    21:05 Luke's conflict with the Code
    21:52 The self-destruction of altruism
    24:30 On Jedi training children - avoiding connections
    26:20 The Sith's repeating pattern
    27:10 Yuthura Ban's story
    29:12 Anakin's emotional entrapment
    32:18 Traya becomes Kreia
    32:55 Master Morality
    33:42 Ajunta Pall's lamentations
    34:20 The Sith's unsustainable society
    34:58 The emptiness of revenge
    37:50 What defines Kreia?
    39:40 The Ithorians vs Czerka Corporation dilemma
    43:10 Kreia's iconic parable on kindness/cruelty
    47:00 Nar Shadda's lessons in manipulation
    55:11 Kreia dominates Hanharr - a lesson in strength and power
    1:02:52 Kreia's motivation
    1:04:47 Jolee Bindo's parable of Master Hortath (blindness)
    1:07:12 The Jedi Masters' judgment of the exile
    1:09:02 Kreia's judgment of the Jedi Masters
    1:09:34 The revelation of Atris's fall
    1:10:50 Jedi/Sith similarities
    1:12:20 Lightsabers' symbolic colors
    1:13:50 Corruption of the dark side
    1:14:56 The weaknesses of dependence on the force
    1:22:03 The endless battles of Master Morality vs Slave Morality
    1:26:00 Why Kreia hates the force
    1:28:53 Free will/choice vs fate/destiny
    1:35:42 Unsettling recurrences of events
    1:37:00 Kreia's grande schemes
    1:41:28: Name symbolism
    1:42:48 The significance of the exile and Malachor
    1:49:28 Kreia's final wish
    1:50:52 Luke's original purpose
    1:51:44 Conclusion

    • @dundidit4800
      @dundidit4800 7 лет назад +67

      holy fugg dog bless

    • @RockSmithStudio
      @RockSmithStudio 7 лет назад +544

      Why did you do such a thing? Such kindnesses will mean nothing. Our path is set. Giving us what we have not earned is like pouring sand into our hands

    • @orhangunerhan
      @orhangunerhan 7 лет назад +138

      best starwars video ı have ever watched.thank you so much.this is the best online philosophy lecture ever!

    • @chongli8409
      @chongli8409 7 лет назад +77

      48:57 moonwalk galore

    • @madvulcan8964
      @madvulcan8964 7 лет назад +81

      Impressive, most Impressive.

  • @debrickashaw9387
    @debrickashaw9387 7 лет назад +895

    KOTOR 1 and 2 is without a doubt the best of the star wars franchise

    • @Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer
      @Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer 7 лет назад +73

      to me...even though kotor 2 is an unfinished product of corporate greed...it still surpasses kotor 1 through it's mature story...(+the gameplay enhancements;-)

    • @DingleDobber
      @DingleDobber 7 лет назад +70

      you NEED the restored content mod, it adds the unfinished stuff.

    • @sebawlm
      @sebawlm 7 лет назад

      +Demonic Troller Last time I tried the restored content mod (I assume it's still TSLRP / Project Gizka / whatever it's been renamed 500 times in 10 years) I had to stop playing the game on Dantooine when I was chased down by an NPC girl with uhm... original voice acting, complete with $5 Wal-Mart desktop mic. I couldn't take anything seriously after that, particularly because it seemed like a totally unnecessary "restoration".
      That was probably in 2010 or 2011. Has there been improvement on it since then? I always wanted the additional ending content, particularly the female Exile / Atton endings, but the bugs, crashing, and cringe never seemed worth paying.

    • @modernbunny500
      @modernbunny500 7 лет назад +21

      I think there was more than one restoration project, and it's been taken up by different developers over time.
      In my own experience, played it with restoration several months ago, I cannot recall a single time the restored content was immersion breaking, half the time I didn't realize it was restored content.
      let me help you out though: Do not install the droid planet part of the restored content. There's a reason they cut it out.

    • @modernbunny500
      @modernbunny500 7 лет назад +1

      +Jacen Solo
      I just personally found it be very boring from start to finish and lacking content overall. All of the fights are incredibly easy even on hardest difficulty and at end it just throws hundreds of enemies at you.
      I didn't like it, don't recommend it. There's a reason they made it an optional part of the restoration.

  • @mJC4698
    @mJC4698 6 лет назад +232

    "in individuals insanity is rare; but in groups, in parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • @SomeHomesickAlien
    @SomeHomesickAlien 3 месяца назад +9

    He calls the video "the philosophy of Kreia" but created one of the most insightful star wars videos about Jedi's and Sith's possibly ever. Bless you

  • @AndrewASMR
    @AndrewASMR 7 лет назад +154

    Kinda proud that you used the image I created as the video thumbnail! :) Kreia is my favourite Star Wars character.

    • @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.
      @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.  7 лет назад +39

      You're the one that made that image? This is probably the best image of Kreia on the internet, and it should be shared more!

    • @AndrewASMR
      @AndrewASMR 7 лет назад +31

      ִ Ah thanks man; I appreciate that! I wanted to make something simple, but instantly recognisable. I also had a quote in at the side too “it is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it.”

    • @nathanbruce1992
      @nathanbruce1992 7 лет назад +7

      AndrewASMR
      Awesome image man 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @glasshorse018
      @glasshorse018 6 лет назад

      Andrew is it possible to get a print of it? Like are you selling it anywhere or have it posted somewhere without the text?

  • @MagicMaster667
    @MagicMaster667 4 года назад +222

    1:24:56 - His qoute about the time one self lives in, being the most inportant in all of history, is my favorite moment from any Star Wars media.
    "Look, everybody always figures the time they live in is the most epic, most important age to end all ages. But tyrants and heroes rise and fall, and historians sort out the pieces."

    • @PilarPPP
      @PilarPPP 4 года назад +4

      Correct me if Im wrong, but they are talking on Taris. But you can add Bindo to the party in that part of the game, when you cant go back to Taris. How is that? Through the power of coding!

    • @lunyxappocalypse7071
      @lunyxappocalypse7071 3 года назад

      Maybe that is a misunderstanding of history then anything else.

    • @sterd1149
      @sterd1149 3 года назад

      @@PilarPPP The dialogue exists regardless of where you are. Jolee delivered this message to me on Korriban

  • @alexandermelrose0404
    @alexandermelrose0404 7 лет назад +222

    Having seen the Last Jedi, watching this again was a moment of catharsis. Kreia's words and teachings carry a much deeper meaning for me. The story of KOTOR I/II cannot be replicated on screen. Kreia: It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible to admit it.

    • @VulturePilot
      @VulturePilot 7 лет назад +44

      Alexander Melrose I’ve seen TLJ twice and whenever someone says it was ‘risky’ and ‘deconstructs’ Star Wars I just wish I could show everyone Kotor2

    • @alexandermelrose0404
      @alexandermelrose0404 7 лет назад +22

      Just as KOTOR II was a critique of the Star Wars mythos at the time, maybe someone will come along and provide a reaction to this new era. As for now, we may just see the same story play out in a repetitive loop.

    • @Heathy87
      @Heathy87 7 лет назад +15

      Isn't that the problem though, because we've seen this possible conclusion we either accept it could have ended once, or that we just enjoy starwars for its conflict. I think at least they showed luke as the apathetic grey living as a hermit uninterested in taking part, that was probably the best way it could have gone for him unless they turned him into kreia v2. it is a shame though that personally i do find a lot more depth in the exile and kreia than i do in rey and luke. kotor 2 is just a well rounded story that hinted at a possible resolution but would have also meant the end of what makes star wars interesting/unique. there is also the fact that rpgs are inherently better at immersion than movies tend to be. your able to really squeeze depth out of kotor 2 in a way that no single movie will ever be able to match, maybe a trilogy.

    • @philipsangalang5077
      @philipsangalang5077 7 лет назад +16

      KOTOR II just had the advantage of hours of exposition and storytelling to get the philosophy out. A movie, or even a trilogy, has to get everything done within the timeframe, and with more symbology. As long as the new trilogy really gets to the fundamentals and conclusions of what KOTOR II sought to show, I'd be happy :)

    • @alexandermelrose0404
      @alexandermelrose0404 7 лет назад +3

      Well said to both Heathy and Philip Sangalang. It is certainly an unrealistic expectation to compare the media of games (or books) to that of film. Films have to do a lot in a window of 2-3 hours. There is something quite special about a movie that can develop a character and set up the plot within a short timeframe, and they deserve nothing but praise.
      I do hope Disney can parse out the valid criticism of the Last Jedi and make improvements. As for me, the era of Star Wars fandom may have passed.

  • @seanstevenson123
    @seanstevenson123 Год назад +36

    "Revan was power - it was like staring into the heart of the force. Even then you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul." - Kreia

  • @lunavarion
    @lunavarion 7 лет назад +170

    Such depth and a wealth of philosophy. This is why I will always love the old Star Wars. We can all learn from Kreia.

  • @harryunderwood9387
    @harryunderwood9387 3 года назад +471

    My child-self always remembered Kreia for her hood (for some reason I always imagined it to be a Tortoise shell) and her scaring me when she revealed 3 floating Lightsabers. My older self actually listened to what she said, paused the game, went outside, and just sat down for an hour or so trying to process it. I mean, I couldn't, but she was still captivating and made me a lot more pessimistic about SW for a time.

    • @Aqueox
      @Aqueox 3 года назад +32

      She was right.

    • @hannibalcase1100
      @hannibalcase1100 3 года назад +16

      That was more or less what happened when I first found the Morpheus conversation in Deus Ex. It utterly shocked me out of the game, and I didn't touch any games at all for a few days.

    • @LC-lt1hh
      @LC-lt1hh 3 года назад +15

      I agree. I think Kreia embodies overcoming psychological ambivalence (as described in multiple psychoanalytic frameworks), as in "the ability to live with and come to terms with contradictions, while still finding a way -your own way". To my knowledge, very few fictional characters achieve this in such a successful and clear manner. She makes me think of the 12th juror in 12 Angry Men -not because he makes everyone agree, but because he stands his ground for the sole reason that might (might) be right. Much like Kreia states that if she wins, she wants to win because she is right, not for any other reasons (such as being stronger or whatever).

    • @saamjaza1742
      @saamjaza1742 3 года назад +1

      Thought it was called "12 angry jurors", but yeah. All this.

    • @jacobwilkins8761
      @jacobwilkins8761 2 года назад

      @@saamjaza1742 In the US, the film is called 12 Angry Men.

  • @ChristianProtossDragoon
    @ChristianProtossDragoon 4 года назад +815

    Fans: Star Wars Theory is the smartest Star Wars RUclips creator.
    . : *exists*

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 4 года назад +51

      I think Thor Skywalker and EckhartsLadder are smarter Star Wars RUclipsrs than SWT, but this guy really does take it to a whole new level!

    • @ChristianProtossDragoon
      @ChristianProtossDragoon 4 года назад +33

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 I wouldn't say smarter. Better said: More knowledgeable.

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 4 года назад +34

      @@ChristianProtossDragoon yeah your right.
      Afterall, they're all great for different reasons.

    • @ChristianProtossDragoon
      @ChristianProtossDragoon 4 года назад +4

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 :)

    • @julianrey94
      @julianrey94 4 года назад +12

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 thor skywalker is dope but this guy makes it seem like he's teaching us the force lol

  • @teleportedbreadfor3days
    @teleportedbreadfor3days Год назад +84

    What I’ve always found most interesting about Kreia’s philosophy on the Force comes from the fact that it is still forged by her hatred for it. She says so many thought-provoking things that actually make you wonder how right she really is, but some of the other stuff she tells are flawed enough to make you question her philosophy altogether again. After all, this is still written by somebody who nearly killed the Force itself. She was so carefully and well put together.

    • @whiteeye3453
      @whiteeye3453 6 месяцев назад

      So she was right or not?

    • @teleportedbreadfor3days
      @teleportedbreadfor3days 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@whiteeye3453 I believe Kreia was wrong. Her hatred in her teachings contradict them. Her teachings and philosophy are ultimately born from a hatred for the Force, not apathy. You find yourself listening until she lets that hatred leak out, and see how many of them are born out of a perception warped by her hate.

    • @whiteeye3453
      @whiteeye3453 6 месяцев назад

      @@teleportedbreadfor3days is her hatred does not contradict her since she doesn't use force anymore?
      Because her whole point was to let go of the force?

    • @kenjinpiniteu
      @kenjinpiniteu 2 месяца назад +2

      The thing is, Kreia herself admits it. She uses the Force as she would a poison, in the hopes of using it will teach her how to kill it - and then goes on to say that perhaps this is just an excuse by an old woman who has grown to rely on a thing she despises.
      The entire premise of Kreia's philosophy has always been to question beliefs and refuse dogma. To look at every angle of an ideology and do not take it at face to value. To recognize that putting things into boxes of 'good' or 'bad' is oversimplifying and trivializing things to the point that one's understanding is reduced to the superficial. She wants you to look at everything that has been taught about the Force, from the good to the bad to the mundane, and decide for yourself what you believe in, instead of looking to other people/institutions for guidance.

  • @alcatraz1363
    @alcatraz1363 7 лет назад +240

    I've never played, watched, or experienced anything in the Star Wars universe, nor did I have any intention to. Why I'm watching a two hour analysis on Kreia is beyond me, but this video actually made me want to get into Star Wars and that's a first so good job

    • @raoullacoeur476
      @raoullacoeur476 7 лет назад +17

      ADX Alcatraz do it. it's much more than the advertisements make it seem. it has a lot to do with real life

    • @ju2tic3
      @ju2tic3 7 лет назад +50

      very little material compares with Kotor 1 and 2 in SW. Play both

    • @Walamonga1313
      @Walamonga1313 6 лет назад +5

      Episode 7 and 8 are pretty bad. Don't be demoralised if you don't like them, they are barely Star Wars. Instead play KOTOR 1 and 2.

    • @TacSon
      @TacSon 6 лет назад +1

      The echos of the Force called to you. Reach out to it.

    • @michaelcrawford3663
      @michaelcrawford3663 4 года назад

      You can add episode 9 to this list

  • @ancientloser
    @ancientloser 7 лет назад +700

    this is hands down the best analysis of star wars and kreia. thank you so much for this.

    • @EvilRussian13
      @EvilRussian13 7 лет назад +14

      I agree. I cannot hit the like button hard enough to express how much I love this video.

    • @tripleoo0
      @tripleoo0 7 лет назад +5

      Hahahaha, you're tying Nietzsche's philosophy to Marxism, the most collectivist ideology to ever gain recognition? My god, the cognitive dissonance in this one.

    • @lazysylph3312
      @lazysylph3312 7 лет назад +3

      ilyriandevil You're like a game show. Troll or sociopath? Let's go with stupid.

    • @lazysylph3312
      @lazysylph3312 7 лет назад +1

      ilyriandevil ooo I know the answer now. Troll (:

    • @tripleoo0
      @tripleoo0 7 лет назад +13

      It helps when you have a substantial claim that can be backed up. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.

  • @aureumhabat8411
    @aureumhabat8411 4 года назад +292

    This should be a mandatory watch for EVERYONE making Star Wars movies/books or anything.

    • @miklosszabo4551
      @miklosszabo4551 4 года назад +19

      Have you seen the Mandalorian? The production team probably played through the kotor games a dozen times

    • @Static-EN-
      @Static-EN- 4 года назад

      This helped me a ton with getting ideas for my novel. it's so good.

    • @RogersRoger
      @RogersRoger 4 года назад +9

      @@miklosszabo4551 putting in Easter Eggs is not the same as playing both games and paying close attention to the story and the dialogue. I do not think many people working at LF have even played Kotor 2

    • @miklosszabo4551
      @miklosszabo4551 4 года назад +13

      @@RogersRoger I would hardly call a whole episode about a Krayt Dragon an easter egg

    • @revolversnake126
      @revolversnake126 4 года назад +1

      @@miklosszabo4551 why do you think so?

  • @SuperMrDeadpool
    @SuperMrDeadpool 2 года назад +56

    I found it interesting in game that it's easier to build rapport with Kreia as a dark side character Tham a light one, but at the council confrontation on Dantooine, Kreia will go off on a dark side character, telling them they're a psychotic failure that has accomplished nothing but random pain and suffering.

  • @Shadowbeleder
    @Shadowbeleder 4 года назад +186

    Kreia talking over order 66 at 1:34:48 is a master stroke and makes that scene so much more impactful.

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 3 года назад +17

      Yeah but if i were to say one character from kotor predicting Order 66 its Revan/ HK-47.

    • @roberteischen4170
      @roberteischen4170 3 года назад +2

      That was some epic writing.

  • @Catasros
    @Catasros 7 лет назад +203

    That beggar on Nar Shaddaa is forever burned into my mind. I went light first and when Kreia unsurprisingly scolded me I simply went "Ok, one dark side point wont hurt, and Kreia tend to be stingy with the influence points. Reload, get my grump on... and get scolded anyway. It was only years later I realised the full brilliance of the scene but I remembered it from the start. No other game, movie, book or otherwise has done that. That alone makes KotOR 2 the Game of all Years for me.

    • @ThisisKyle
      @ThisisKyle 6 лет назад +6

      When I was younger I didn't care for it to much, now that I'm older I get what they were trying to say

    • @antonioscendrategattico2302
      @antonioscendrategattico2302 6 лет назад +12

      Tbh, I kinda felt cheated a bit there. You are only given two binary options, with no more nuance. And then, scolds you for it.
      It's a bit... cheap. I get the point they're trying to make, but... it's still a bit unfair.

    • @fuzzydunlop7928
      @fuzzydunlop7928 6 лет назад +13

      +Antonio - That's due to an interpretation of what one wants out of a game. There's the love of the narrative constantly fighting with the love of the gameplay, of games in general. We want it to be inherently and unerringly fair because then we have an equal chance of "winning" based on our input. Most play games for this experience, not for life lessons.

    • @antonioscendrategattico2302
      @antonioscendrategattico2302 6 лет назад

      True, but still.

    • @aurorauplinks
      @aurorauplinks 6 лет назад +9

      Antonio SCENDRATE GATTICO watch ground hog day, its sad, but it has a poignant message about poverty and helping people too. he keeps reliving the same day(bill murray), he doesnt know why, he tries to escape it eventually, but mostly he learns to care for others, cheif among them a man he sees die every day, he keeps trying to find ways to save him, and fails. every time.... its so very sad and it impacted me when i was a kid when i watched it, its a very sad movie in a suprising way
      the moral is at the end he learns a important lesson about that man, to treasure him and just help him have a good last meal with the warmth of someone caring for him and helping him get in a warm and comfortable place to have a meal together, and its all about the facial expressions in these scenes, the warmth, and the hope, and the happyness, and its about how important it is to face that sometimes we cannot change a fate, but we can change how they recieve that fate, or how we treat those around us regardless.

  • @thedoomaster14
    @thedoomaster14 5 лет назад +147

    The name of the franchise itself - Star wars, is the biggest curse to its universe. A never-ending war between good and evil, where there cannot be true peace. Very tragic if you think about it.

    • @ishtarinanna4478
      @ishtarinanna4478 4 года назад +9

      Just like our world then , with less emphasis on good and evil

    • @alexanderrahl7034
      @alexanderrahl7034 4 года назад +1

      Peace is a lie.
      It denies free will

    • @alexanderrahl7034
      @alexanderrahl7034 4 года назад

      @DraculaCronqvist nay. You misunderstand the greater meaning.
      Consider the idealistic world peace people persue.
      What does it take to achieve this? Genocide? Manipulation? Mind control?
      Malcontents and evil people will always exist. Masochists who seel to harm. Or merely just someone weak who grows to resent others and become hateful.
      What need be done to stop those people? Merely speaking to them? You cannot reason with those who wholly shut themselves off from it so.
      So to achieve peace, true world peace. Truly horrible things must be done. And continuously so, to ensure it. In this way, you understand free will must be removed, and people denied of the negative emotions that make them human. Lest they lead to negative actions and outcomes. Utopia is Dystopia. Peace in this way, is a lie. Just as war can be so long as the good persue armistice.

  • @Mira-K
    @Mira-K 3 года назад +116

    Completely from outside SW context, but it made me think of this piece:
    "It is important to draw wisdom from many different places. If we take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and stale"

  • @KusabiTetsugoro
    @KusabiTetsugoro 5 лет назад +55

    I keep getting back to this analysis every 3-5 months or so. One of my favorite RUclips videos ever.

  • @filokalija
    @filokalija 7 лет назад +283

    I realize I'm a little late to the party, but after noticing your video, then replaying Kotor 2 with Restored Content again recently, and watching this fully, I have to say, this is probably one of the best analysis on the Star Wars franchise and it's themes as a whole, that I have EVER seen.
    You also managed to highlight exactly what makes Kotor 2 so superior to almost everything that has come before, even Kotor 1, story wise. But hey, maybe Star Wars had to grow and mature as a franchise until it could reach a point where someone as brilliant as the lead writer(s) behind Kotor 2 and specifically behind Kreia, could elevate the philosophical intricacies and depths to such previously unknown levels!
    I have been away from this fandom for a while, but your video sparked my interest for Star Wars as a whole again. I can't thank you enough!

    • @jennytalia6724
      @jennytalia6724 7 лет назад +19

      There's not much to come back to. Disney's Star Wars so far has been a joke.

    • @TacSon
      @TacSon 6 лет назад +4

      You, like the Exile, came back a little too late. The last of the EU has been reduced to nothing but Legends by Darth Mickey himself. Everything you loved about Star Wars have all been replaced by poorly written stories, marketing ploys and Social Justice idealogies. All for the sakes of money and profit.

  • @smashi4088
    @smashi4088 5 лет назад +582

    Not even joking, this is probably my single favorite video on youtube

  • @NobleWarrior
    @NobleWarrior 3 года назад +222

    7.2 million views! Well done and it makes me so happy that Kreia is still so well revered

  • @twigstwigs2
    @twigstwigs2 7 лет назад +1248

    2 hours of my life very well spent

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun 7 лет назад +15

      yes, very much so.

    • @StoicSurvivor99
      @StoicSurvivor99 7 лет назад +3

      Abel Rodrigues but how do you live by these words? Its a fantasy story with a message grounded to reality. Its easier to listen to wisdom than living by it.

    • @mugwump7049
      @mugwump7049 7 лет назад +6

      Jake Tryon That's the story of buddhist monks' lives. They spend their entire lifetime meditating on Buddha's teachings and trying to reach nirvana but very few actually succeed.

    • @adyy78
      @adyy78 7 лет назад +1

      I couldn't agree more

    • @amateurhour6720
      @amateurhour6720 7 лет назад +4

      Bruh I watched this twice

  • @VexedVergil
    @VexedVergil 4 года назад +1270

    I love the writing of both kotors, back when games were creative genius rather than corporate greed

    • @i-fart-in-elevators
      @i-fart-in-elevators 4 года назад +48

      Fuck I wish I could like this twice

    • @caseydopp318
      @caseydopp318 3 года назад +4

      @Gizmo Cat a men

    • @Haggysack2k8
      @Haggysack2k8 3 года назад +21

      "Is ThiS gOoD fOr ThE pLaYeR?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
      -Some random arsehole over at EA

    • @jorgebellidolavado6382
      @jorgebellidolavado6382 3 года назад +7

      Better than katherine kenedys movies.

    • @Max-zk3gx
      @Max-zk3gx 3 года назад +18

      @Gizmo Cat “plenty”? I have been playing on PlayStation for a while and have found few games that focus more on making a great story and rather just make fun gameplay. I would say there is plenty of creativity, but genus?
      Kotor 2 relies on the story telling rather than the gameplay, it’s genus because even with the old gameplay I have played it so many times and I enjoy talking to every npc and listen to the voice acting rather than skipping through stuff.
      I can’t think of any games that can stand up to this. I found witcher 3 to be the game of the decade and even then I cannot say the story itself is anything to write home about.
      But if you have some games that can relate to this genus, I would like to check them out!

  • @heyokan4651
    @heyokan4651 4 года назад +59

    This video is exactly why the Knights of the Old Republic was the ultimate Star Wars experience and should have set the tone for the Star Wars universe since.

  • @skrounst
    @skrounst Год назад +96

    17:55 Hayden's delivery of this is SO GOOD! Thoughtful, flirty, with subtle hints of disdain for the rule. I'm glad people came around on accepting Hayden Christensen into the fandom. The things he got dunked on weren't his fault honestly.

  • @ImChristianBro
    @ImChristianBro 7 лет назад +156

    Kreia makes so much more sense now. Definitely one of my favorite characters in Gaming now that I understand her

  • @lunnycover
    @lunnycover 5 лет назад +741

    Hah. For years I had been avoiding the Star Wars franchise because I thought it was "overrated normie crap", without ever even watching them. Then one day, I decide to click on this video, watch it for like 10 minutes and then immediately close it and watch the original movie trilogy. After that I bought the games for dirt cheap on steam, and here I am after few months, enjoying this video to the fullest.
    Thank you ..

    • @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.
      @The.Youtuber.with.no.Name.  5 лет назад +69

      What a wholesome comment. I'm glad to hear you came around for Star Wars and that I helped you get into the franchise.

    • @Walamonga1313
      @Walamonga1313 5 лет назад +8

      You confused Star Wars with Trek.

    • @MrDeadSignal
      @MrDeadSignal 5 лет назад +5

      Well under Disney it's gearing towards that hard, I remember back in the 2000s when you were a weirdo idiot for liking Star Wars! The Jedi Knight (game) series is good too!

    • @haruhirogrimgar6047
      @haruhirogrimgar6047 5 лет назад +6

      A little bit of the inverse for me. I watched the old/new movies after my Mom got invested in them, and found them incredibly boring and held no emotional weight. They are actually really silly tbh.
      Then I got into the extended universe. Learning the lore of the games, watching Rebels and the Clone Wars, even reading the story of Darth Bane. I love it all, this video even makes me want to learn more about these games and their lore.
      Yet any-time I have tried to watch any of the movies since, I just giggle at Luke throwing a tantrum or Yoda taking a nap then opening a fortune cookie quite often, or my favourite bit was when Dooku was escaping on his flying mobility scooter.

    • @gmilare0
      @gmilare0 5 лет назад +7

      I mean, you were not wrong. It’s rare when the franchise goes KOTOR 2 level of depth and exploration of its own universe and philosophies.

  • @escobart69420
    @escobart69420 3 года назад +71

    My best friend showed me this video and we discussed these theme many times, how crazy it was, and ever since then i never saw any star wars content the same, he passed away last month and nothing is the same...
    I miss u mate, every day is harder without u

    • @kranvis2885
      @kranvis2885 3 года назад +8

      Very sorry for your loss. What a great memory to hold onto though. “There is no death. There is the force.”

  • @dreadrath
    @dreadrath Год назад +86

    Kind of makes me wonder if Kreia's fall to the dark side at the end of the game had an extra unspoken purpose. Since apparently dark siders don't become one with the force when they die, her planning for her own death at the exile's hand would also factor in her dislike of the force and a desire to never become one with it, hence just one more reason she willingly fell and refused redemption at the end.

    • @overtherenowaitthere
      @overtherenowaitthere Год назад +2

      I never thought of that holy shiiit

    • @vksasdgaming9472
      @vksasdgaming9472 Год назад +6

      It might also have some kind of aim to remove yourself from cycle of rebirths Force seems to like.

    • @thefallencog
      @thefallencog Год назад +18

      Without taking into account the retcons of the modern day, its very likely this isn't specifically true. If vader could become one with the force at the flip of a switch quite literally on his death bed, then its possible Kreia simply "fell" to the dark side of the force because of her need for raw power. Not because of her Alignment with the force.
      Also afaik you can't become one with the force unless its by choice anyhow. Whether Kreia was good or bad probably doesn't matter if she choses not to become one with the force, then she simply will not.
      Dark siders likely *can* become one with the force, however the dark side teachings generally see that sort of "faith" aspect of the force as weakness. Therefore it is simply not passed down, so its more likely sith simply don't know how to do that/and or refuse to become one with the force assuming they know the process of Spiritual ascension.
      Remember the Sith teachings is *very* dog eat dog mentality. Only strength matters. Training in the art of the spirit unless its to further ones power is virtually useless, as Historically sith that have tried to do spiritual shit in the past don't actually get stronger, and generally get fucked by their own machinations trying to *become* stronger in the force through spirituality/faith.

  • @InsideAssassin2
    @InsideAssassin2 3 года назад +2123

    Obsidian: “Star Wars’ cookie cutter representation of the force and good and evil is too simplistic and narrow minded”
    Disney: “Force powers go brrrrr”

    • @nat-fs3ms
      @nat-fs3ms 3 года назад +132

      tbf the rest of legends never questioned itself like kotor 2 did, just vaguely meandered about as the same conflicts repeated themselves. something which kotor 2 criticizes. disneys only games so far are the battlefront reboots and fallen order, which the latter is good on its own terms but not for its critique of the force, but instead for its focus on mental health and recovering from trauma.
      while i'd love to see a reboot of the kotor franchise, i'd more like to see a return to the same form. kotor 1/2 are impressive works, but only a remaster should be done for them so as to preserve the core of the games. (also to actually finish content left unfinished in kotor 2, which shouldn't take too much effort since we already have mods patching some of it)

    • @eafstudios6436
      @eafstudios6436 3 года назад +31

      @@nat-fs3ms Simply playing either KoToR game in a decent or completed form takes forever because of all the modding involved. I speak from experience. Modding makes KoToR a much more enjoyable experience but at the same time causes problems bc you never know when to stop installing mods or improvements and keep finding mods which allegedly "improve" the game but end up requiring fixes. They honestly need to remaster it and possibly take suggestions from all the mods out there to improve it

    • @mersenneprime1044
      @mersenneprime1044 3 года назад +20

      idk, the Bendu from Star Wars Rebels was cool and that was from Disney.

    • @flaviomonteiro1414
      @flaviomonteiro1414 3 года назад +3

      @@mersenneprime1044 See the video about grey Jedis from this channel...

    • @nat-fs3ms
      @nat-fs3ms 3 года назад +19

      @@mersenneprime1044 apathy is death, but this is true the bendu was fine. but still representative of the problem with those who believe themselves unalligned or apathetic to the light and dark.

  • @TheRealNeonwarrior
    @TheRealNeonwarrior 3 года назад +803

    Kreia: "I don't want to train you to become a Jedi Knight. I want you to learn to be human."
    *30 minutes later*
    Kreia: "Aight you wanna be a Sith Lord or a Jedi Master? Training begins now"

    • @TheMinskyTerrorist
      @TheMinskyTerrorist 3 года назад +27

      Because she's a liar and a manipulator

    • @silverprimus321boi9
      @silverprimus321boi9 3 года назад +4

      @Shoenheim bro?😯

    • @shotgunshells2
      @shotgunshells2 3 года назад +76

      If you think she's good-looking, you must have taken a blaster bolt when I wasn't watching.

    • @ntvm4749
      @ntvm4749 3 года назад +27

      @@shotgunshells2 atton moment lmao

    • @cameronmckillop6448
      @cameronmckillop6448 3 года назад +25

      If someone were to train and study for a trade, would they be less human? It could be considered for more of a practical purpose.

  • @Stellar001100
    @Stellar001100 4 года назад +498

    Jedi Council: The Greater Good...
    Anakin: Wait...
    Jedi Council: The Greater Good
    Anakin: But...
    Jedi Council: The Greater Good
    Vader: *SHUT IT!*

    • @kingnamor777
      @kingnamor777 4 года назад +7

      Lol, earn a sub for that funny comment.

    • @Airsickword
      @Airsickword 4 года назад +19

      what is this? the tau?

    • @blutacckk
      @blutacckk 4 года назад +10

      Is this a reference to hot fuzz?

    • @Morec0
      @Morec0 3 года назад +2

      @@Airsickword can't wait for Darth Farsight

    • @Airsickword
      @Airsickword 3 года назад

      @@Morec0 E

  • @darkzen134
    @darkzen134 2 года назад +43

    Kreia loved the exile for being able to simultaneously deny the will of the dark side and light side (the force as a whole) during the forced decision planned by Revan using the shadow mass generator. The exile detached completely and still was able to live without the force. The difference was that the exile in making this choice what cutt off from the will of the force, becoming a free agent. When trying to feel the force again you notice the exile like nihilus feeds off the force sensitive around them, except it doesn't consume the exile, it only effects those around the exile. The exile through the use of the force becomes a master manipulator. Kreia is there to make sure the Exile understands what he/she is so that the exile doesn't fall into the trappings of the forces will, to forward events as it sees fit. When the exile learns the power of her/his free will they can freely deny both the light and dark using the force as a means to and end and not become enslaved by it. To excercise their own will and rely on their own strength when possible, because the more you engage in the force, the more hold it has over you. See but you as the player are a free agent from the will of the force and the only thing that can enslave you now is your own notion of what role you should play, light, or dark. Kreia helps you realize you don't have to follow those cycles and to do so is to sacrifice your own will to an ideal you feel you are required to fill. Soo much to digest here, I love this deconstruction.

  • @MyMorningSwag
    @MyMorningSwag 7 лет назад +65

    I can not give this video enough praise. Kreia has been my favorite character since I first played KotoR 2 on the original xbox, and has only grown closer to my Star Wars heart since I've aged and come to understand the true like philosophy behind her teachings. And you, my friend, do nothing but justice this crazy old fantastic crone that helped to shape the way I look at life since before I discovered my affinity for philosophy. You really explain her Nietzsche-will-to-power-esque philosophy in a full and detailed manner. Enough so that I've watched a two-hour video about a fictional old bat more times than I would care to admit. Also love the way you speak of Arren Kai, Kreia, and Darth Traya as separate entities, really highlighting the change of her own views on life and the force. Absolutely amazing video on a widely misunderstood character who blurs the lines between good and evil. The time and research you undoubtedly invested into this character analysis is astounding. You did your homework on this and it shows greatly. Thanks for repping my favorite character so completely and thoroughly.

  • @liaml.e.5964
    @liaml.e.5964 3 года назад +169

    In a way, HK-47 understood the essence of manipulation, in his own way:
    "Answer: Yes, it means you will never understand. When I kill, when I dispatch a target, it is not about wanton slaughter. About body count. It is about finesse, function. Doing more with less. It is *art*."

    • @Vynirian
      @Vynirian 3 года назад +23

      oh HK-47, never change you sociopathic pile of bolts.

    • @shotgunshells2
      @shotgunshells2 3 года назад +5

      The hk50 factory segment is so boring, but the game is incomplete without it.

    • @cjnf11
      @cjnf11 2 года назад

      @@shotgunshells2 It's cut content restored by a fan mod. So we'll never know how Obsidian would properly make it if they could. It was okay for me though, KotOR2 in general has its dull moments, because it's one of those games that clearly weren't polished and just released.

    • @pharaohbubbles1547
      @pharaohbubbles1547 2 года назад +2

      HK-47 and Thrawn would be great friends

  • @trevorgerardfrederick
    @trevorgerardfrederick 3 года назад +520

    1:27:25 - "True coincidences are rare." - Kreia
    "Nothing happens by accident." - Qui-Gon
    Ah.

    • @tsunderenyaaa6021
      @tsunderenyaaa6021 3 года назад +52

      "There are no accidents" - Master Oogway

    • @alexmedic8479
      @alexmedic8479 3 года назад +74

      Nothing happens by accident - absolute statement
      True coincidences are rare - not absolute
      Hmm

    • @fauzanabdulkahfi957
      @fauzanabdulkahfi957 3 года назад +8

      @@alexmedic8479 she learn her lesson from betrayal of the sith

    • @hackergaming6372
      @hackergaming6372 3 года назад +12

      I think qui gon is a sith lawd

    • @CriticallyGnart
      @CriticallyGnart 3 года назад +21

      @@alexmedic8479 only sith deal in absolutes
      Ironically that's an absolute as well haha

  • @tannerpoole2777
    @tannerpoole2777 3 года назад +32

    Please never delete this. This is my comfort video.

  • @TheRPGenius
    @TheRPGenius 5 лет назад +64

    It is hard to imagine a more insightful, complete, detailed, and well-ordered examination of this greatest of characters than the video you have created. To have watched this, to have been able to review the brilliance of Kreia and by extension of Star Wars as seen by its Extended Universe architects, the brilliance of Chris Avellone and all those he stood with in creating KotOR2, has been a joy. You have done sublime work with this video. Thank you so much for creating and sharing it.

  • @jamesstewart6219
    @jamesstewart6219 7 лет назад +105

    Obsidian must have some of the greatest philosophical minds on the planet for being able to write such an amazing character with remarkable wisdom. And it also requires great wisdom to create such a good and in-depth analysis of the complexities of Kreia. Great job.

  • @chibidakis1
    @chibidakis1 7 лет назад +385

    ..and this is why KOTOR 2 is the Citizen Kane of games. Both got flak when released, but eventually people gave it a second view, and realized the beauty they passed over.

    • @B82-z7c
      @B82-z7c 7 лет назад +50

      Especially with the restoration mod

    • @kilmerval
      @kilmerval 7 лет назад +71

      BT2 yeah the citizen Kane restoration mod added a lot Welles left out

    • @ANDELE3025
      @ANDELE3025 7 лет назад +18

      ONLY with the restoration mod because without it you (can) get (at least 3) game breaking bugs before even getting halfway through.

    • @gageloftus9748
      @gageloftus9748 7 лет назад

      Where can I download this and the restoration mod? lost my Xbox copy, and I always played it with limited content, because I played it offline

    • @balakadut
      @balakadut 7 лет назад +9

      buy it in Steam, the restoration mod is in the Workshop as the most subscribed.

  • @Xeractyll
    @Xeractyll Год назад +66

    _“If you are to truly understand, then you will need to the contrast, not adherence to a single idea” -Kreia_
    Best quote I’ve ever heard in the Star Wars universe… and that’s saying something.

    • @dragonheart967
      @dragonheart967 Год назад +4

      Truly is one of the best

    • @gzapray7203
      @gzapray7203 11 месяцев назад

      Sometimes your beliefs must be tested.

    • @kenjinpiniteu
      @kenjinpiniteu 2 месяца назад +1

      @@gzapray7203 How else can they be believed if they are not put to the test?

  • @kairos5440
    @kairos5440 7 лет назад +49

    amazing video holy crap. I also cried every time you said canon because Disney has sadly un-canoned this masterpiece of a character.

  • @yyc_adam4884
    @yyc_adam4884 3 года назад +173

    I’m pretty sure you’ve helped a lot of people with their college essays

  • @Nate77HK
    @Nate77HK 4 года назад +39

    I recently played through this again, and I played a dark side character, thinking to myself that I was a Jedi who ran away from the evil lurking within herself, and at the end of the game when Nihilus reveals himself, after I had done to the Jedi masters what he had don to the Miraluka, I thought that the death of the everything would have been a satisfactory resolution to Kreia's dilemma about the Force. With nothing alive in the galaxy, the Force would have no one to compel, and there would be no truths to seek out. So, from a certain point of view, Nihilus was one answer to her dilemma.
    However, he was an abject failure as a person, which I think is why Kreia scorned Nihilus. He had given up his own identity and nature, which was exactly what Kreia had turned away from when she left the Jedi, and that was the lesson she taught Revan, which is why she said that Revan never actually fell, rather he only lived his own life according to his own convictions, which was an alien thing to the Jedi and to the Sith.
    When I realized this, I realized that my own character was also a failure, and I felt her scorn more deeply than ever before on any other playthrough. When I faced her on Malachor V and ultiamtely triumphed, becoming the only Lord of the Sith, her final words rang hollow, as she seemed only to comfort only herself by praising my power. But I knew that I had failed to learn the most important lesson of them all.