That One Guy I realize this is old as hell but i still want to congratulate you. Your age i had a kid on the way already and got married. Love the kids but it was still the biggest mistake i ever made or will make. If you want a child, make sure you move to a jurisdiction that affords children to men atleast 40% of the time when they request it.
Former PUA adept here. From my experience and what I observed within the community it's really more about bullshitting others rather than getting any actual results. Their forums are populated by two categories of people: gullible desperate newbs who think that reading PUA literature and paying thousands of dollars to go to meetings will get them laid and "professional" PUAs (those who make money off it) who keep telling the noobs how awesome their lives are to keep them paying. Personally none of the tactics and day/night game stuff ever got me closer to getting laid than I was before, nor did it work for any of my PUA pals. We just wasted a lot of time hanging out at the malls and nightclubs trying to "game" with 0 success. Arguably I am short and non-masculine looking guy, so perhaps someone who looks more like Roosh has better results. But then whats the point of all this PUA nonsense anyway? All it really is a big waste of time and money. What eventually changed my opinion of PUA was when I found out that one of the professional PUAs who was making videos about gaming other women was faking it all along. Turns out these were paid actresses and not random women on the street, who would at first give him the cold shoulder and after some PUA "tricks" suddenly change their mind. Obviously when gullible noobs like myself and others would ask on forums why these tactics don't work for us... well obviously because we "don't have game yet, we need to attend this seminar for $3000 and we will learn some secret PUA arts!" TLDR if I had anything to say to those considering between PUAs and MGTOWs it's go your own way, don't waste your time and money on PUA scam artists. Your life is better spent improving yourself and working on something you enjoy.
I've done my own anecdotal work in regards to online dating. My personal results say only the PUA tactics work at all, whereas any sort of honesty is suicide. If I run game, I can get a dozen girls on my phone in time for the weekend. If I'm me, I can get maybe one girl in time for Christmas.
+The Obsidian Media Network I got game She's got game We got game They got game He got game It might feel good Or sound a little somethin' But fuck the game if it ain't saying nothin'
***** I agree about out of my league, but I cant force myself to be interested in 3-4s. To me looks (and waistline) are very important. Sure I can get some land whale with no game involved but I wont get it up for her. If that means I wont get laid... well too bad, at this point in life I have more important things to do.
After Barbarossa told that story about 15 minutes in. it’s convinced me that pimps are on to something. Not necessarily morally right, or even justifiable whatsoever, but in theory and in practice they seem to have figured out the nature of women, which is sad. Because as barb said, there’s an element of sociopathy and very calculated manipulation when it comes to getting women’s attention. I’ve noticed myself doing it, as well as my friends, brother, and father. I’m absolutely no playboy myself, but this is why a certain percentage of men (10-15%) when combined with being good looking, exploit these “techniques” and get the lion’s share of women’s attention. (85-90%)
Absolutely bro it’s quite depressing tbh but I think a lot of woman are genuinely only attracted to assholes the last one I had in my life I cared about alot but I was still naive and young so was she only a year older than me but I started quite toxic tbh didn’t care if we were dating or if we were just “acquaintances” or and not toxic towards her per say but she used to love when I was toxic to others and she virtually was all over me anytime I had an argument with someone and occasionally she would be touching/encouraging me during the argument we were solid for a few years albeit towards each other not so much some others but unfortunately for me I starting caring too much about her and tell her that and getting a bit more mature stopped a lot of the toxicity and didn’t want to be an asshole to people anymore and the spark was almost entirely gone and she left not long after in quite a depressing manner still bums out a bit to this day tbh how much they can switch up on you and be so cruel
+The Obsidian Media Network Both Barbarossa and I have dozens of videos talking about these things over the years, talking about mating strategies, in fact, go watch CS MGTOW's most recent video for that.. This was a discussion about Barbarossa and how he came to be MGTOW. You want to talk about game all day that is fine but you are not offering anything to MGTOW or MGTOW philosophy by doing so.
Words can’t explain how much you guys have both helped and enlightened me. I honestly thought I was going crazy. I am a strong person but there is only so much you can take before life begins to wear you down. Coming across your content have not only further educated me but has also made me aware that I am not alone. My batteries have been recharged. My purpose has been renewed. I am not sure if I am MGTOW nor do I care. But I definitely have a deep profound respect for all the unsung heroes who have made this information available. You have opened a Man’s eyes and made his back strong again. “I am alive!” Thank you 😎
My experience is so close to what Barbarossa is describing. I noticed the same thing, although it took me longer to get it because I've always been stubborn, in terms of the favorable lies we're told about women, and I spent a brief period where I tried to adapt, but I decided that I simply couldn't live with myself being that way. It was simply unethical for me to be the way that you need to be to be successful with women, to be duplicitous, to be the bad boy or the asshole, and it began to truly anger me the lies that the entire social order tells about what women are like, and the fact that all of the rules and laws for men are based upon these lies. It is absolute madness. That's what began to draw me to MGTOW content.
it's almost 2020... it's after Christmas... I saw one ex of mine (my most stable relationship in my early 20s after which I found my red pill way).. she is pregnant now with twins... when I saw that it was a HUUUDGE sign of relief for me... I wanted to share that and this is the first red pill video I have seen after the event
Love love love this. You guys have had such a profound effect on me and my lfie, Im in a better place than Ive ever been. Completely financially secure with all the disposable income I could want. I life a truly liberated and fulfilling lifestyle and you guys had a direct impact on that. Thank you both.
@@redpillsatori3020 I hear yah. Even if it falls apart: We won't just stand around and watch it burn. Let's claim the tools of knowledge and do the best for our loved ones.
my favorite MGTOW talk thus far, I could listen to this dialog between Barbarossa and Stardusk forever, and one of the topics on the Tom Leykis show right now is "ghosting"
I remember listening to Tom Leykis in 2006. He was somewhere between PUA and MGTOW back then. His show began in 1994. The Lekis 101 stuff started in 1997
Thank you very much gentlemen for your candid and succinct conversation. I always get something from listening to you guys and by doing so gather new perspectives unto myself and the world around me, thank you much...
I always questioned myself why a lot of couples if not the majority of couples who are married never seemed or seem truly happy. It's like I can sense that they force their happiness just to put up a front for everyone. I always knew something was wrong but could never piece it together until now. In my world both of these men are Kings for their work. Much much respect to both of you. I will forever be grateful and thankful for opening my eyes to reality and for preventing me future suffering. You have my loyalty and respect to the upmost. Keep up the good work.
Guys, thanks for the candid conversation by two old farts chewing the fat. Kindly take this as a compliment because I spent time in the father’s rights area in the 80s and 90s and those guys could not “get it together” to have a community. This MGTOW has great value in that one has only to look at interactions with women to confirm these observations that are being given voice.
Re: gynocentrism I understand neither of you found anything at the dawn of MGTOW relating to gynocentrism on RUclips, but I just did a quick Google search on my site and the earliest reference I find there to gynocentrism is in 1995. I was proto-MGTOW at that time and very involved in the MRM and I recall many discussions about gynocentrism among the Seattle MRAs.
I was listening to these two guys since the beginning. It’s always good to get back to the roots cuz things can get quite watered down. I wore the mgtow name for awhile and thought that ppl started adding all sorts of crap to the levels. I’ll just keep continuing on with the basics
Make sure to claim barbarossa's clips, that are shattered all over youtube, as well. Many of them are not on his channel anymore, but can still be found when you search for them. His clip "The Post-feminism Man" is considered as the anthem of free men and his clips on hybristophilia are also very educating. I also suggest you shoud learn about Briffault's law if you didn't already, Ted.
I don't read much PUA content because there is very little new that they post there that I don't already know and what new there is, doesn't usually work or have no basis on what is true or not. The content they have is really hit and miss. Ultimately people are actually not that hard to understand in my opinion. You just have to pay attention enough to social ques, what they say, how they say it, what expressions (verbal and non-verbal) they use and know something about them and you can tell quite a lot about how the person thinks. From there, it is not too hard to predict what how they will react to things. For example, someone who has had an absent father who left early from her childhood often tends to have trust issues towards males. They might slip and yet, they also often want to have that strong male figure in life to fix for the lost security that their father could have provided. It really is not that hard when you learn the talent of seeing the world trough other peoples eyes and experiences because I guarantee you that if you were given the same situation, then you would turn out pretty much the same as they have. You just have to dig up the start and pretty much the rest just flow. But even though I know all of this, I have the sciences of human condition behind me and I even have the tools to work with those personality types that have issues. I just don't find it appealing to do something like that. Because lets be honest here, our existence to the purposes of greater universal meaning is particularly irrelevant. It does not mean our lives can not have meaning, in fact I have a lot of it. But ultimately our impact to the universe is practically insignificant. And I have had some females talking to me and they have been asking why MGTOW. My response has been that ask yourself, what was great men if history, like Newton, Tesla, Pascal, Einstein or even modern time Stephen Hawkin, what are/were they known for? Well certainly not from their relationship status. But from their contribution to the betterment of whole human society and the advancement of scientific field and our knowledge about the universe. So it becomes clear that our lives are not determined by the relationships that we have with other human beings but our contribution to the better end of our species and how extensive that contribution is, determines our value. It is not to say relationships with other human beings, even if simply friendships aren't important. What I am saying is that from 1000-years from now on, no one will remember a person named you and what sort of relationships you had if that was your high point in life. However people will remember you if you achieved to do something significant. And this. This point right here is why I find so much value in the MGTOW path. Every day your intellectual capacity is being challenged in new ways, where open debate with critically thinking people exists, where the best of the best ideas survive until a better one is developed and where new information is constantly challenged. In a way, I see MGTOW as a bastion of what the modern day academia isn't, but what it used to be once. This, this is valuable.
Im just here wondering if barbar is still in that relationship. That post feminism video resonated with me id play it through my headphones on my way to work when I was younger. I do wonder how hes doing and if he turned his back on the manosphere or not
Barbar my parents are each 70 and are now divorcing after four decades of marriage. I know it doesn't happen often but don't be surprised if it does. My father is in a very similar situation to yours (1 year retired now) in that he wants to return to his home country whereas my mother does not. After he is done with the divorce I am not positive he will follow through with it. He is having trouble working himself up to leaving the country after decades of living here. Even more disturbing, he is thinking of going back to work at his age because he can't find any propose for himself outside of working. I understand it but I can't relate to it. We've spoken but like you I don't think I fully got through to him.
Along with Vention showing us how MGTOW can facilitate success and happiness, another man approaching middle age who I think is producing some interesting content is the RUclipsr heartbern. I think he falls into the same kind of category of being able to give advice to younger MGTOWs based on his personal experiences and growth into a more mature manifestation of someone going his own way.
Watching 2020 second time. On my journey you were introducing evo psyc if you can accept the crude term. I came from an art phil background, and started with chomsky transformational grammar and all the decon guys from grad school. You and Mgtow gave some real world contemporary examples, some red pills. My new area is to sync with genetics, and have just finished all the Dawkins work on evolution, more evo psyc. These more scientifically grounded men have qualified parts of the Mgtow movement, even though they may disavow it in public. Were all driving to answering the big questions, why are we here and where are we going. All roads lead to politics so now Im trying to find a praxis from my journey, a way of being i can make into a personal philosophy, something i can share, as you two do. Barbarossa gave me a touchstone vision in one of his works. Its the fantasy of man, woman and the state sitting around a negotiating table, the state leaning one way or another through the ages. The state is a self interested mediator, created from the fears and dreams of both sides toward their goals. With mgtow men have pulled away from the table, even walking away, denying their evolutionary goals, Dawkins selfish gene. This is a hardball strategy, but they have left the state alone with the women. When they return the triangle will be broken and the bond stabilized to exclude them as passive but ultimately free orbitals. Their spermatozoic contribution will be their sexual activity in the transhuman. Sexual reproduction is now socialized in human farming, artificial insemination and embryo to grave state control. Racial and sexual politics collapses into a computer genomic game. Today Canada is preparing the way with cannabis grow ops, a prototype of human farming. Inside highly mechanized dark industrial sheds are built the endless cycle. Starting with the aptly named mother room, the genomic experiment is started, porgressing in timed steps to flower rooms then trimming and shipping rooms. Scaling up to the human genome is just next.
22:00 I always had that feeling, that women wanted you to play a certain figure/character. the only reason why I experienced it in anyway. Is because I garner a lot of fun out of blasting peoples expectations of what should or would have happened. Always behaving in some againt the grain behaviour and everytime I did it, It generated some sort of dissapointment. I guess I never fitted in any of these selfmade stories.
I feel we need the legends in MGTOW to inspire others. Not that you guys don't inspire us. Thanks for the hard work guys. Bar Bar and Stardusk your fathers sound right brilliant. I never really watched a lot of neo unplugged videos( his valentine's day video was well done) but I hope he's well.
IMHO the path to the Red Pill will vary from man to man however, I firmly believe that many men despite the awakening would return to blue pill existence or a variation of it if men had not started talking and sharing stories etc via the internet. For me personally and I am quite sure its the same for other men. The most important aspect is the regular reinforcement and confirmation from others within the manosphere.
+Betty Swolloks You're right. That was me. If men weren't talking, I never would have changed. I started with Stardusk but he never linked anything most of the time. I knew somehow he was telling the truth. From him, I found Leykis, various men's forums, and started to notice things that I personally experienced. And we all see it. The same situation replaying itself. It's why MGTOW think Feminism is natural to women instead of some outside product. I've seen it at work and experienced it myself. I don't even remember the article. It was how some Feminists wanted to change things. I remember just fucking snapping. I was so filled with rage because it was Feminism that taught me the extent of just how selfish and manipulative women could be. All that other shit was just that on a smaller scale. At this point, it's just constant constant reinforcement.
TYRANNICAL Exactly. Feminism is just normal female nature out in the open for all to see. The unintended consequence of this has been to awaken men to how women really view men and our own shitty position within society. Just look at all these " women against feminism" videos that are now appearing, desperately trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube.
The black guy from the UK I think they were trying to remember is Thugtician. The first person I started listening to on RUclips that had me thinking in a different way about how men were being treated.
50:00 I had no girl problems before consciously going my own way. Even when I was a kid I would always fantasise about living on my own (or with an adopted child), well before seeing women in an unflattering light. My peers were obviously subjected to the same environment, so I suppose it must be somehow biological.
21:50 Reading from, The Predatory Female book, by Rev Lawrence Shannon "Soaps Q. How are predatory females and soap operas associated? A. TV soap operas are particularly attractive to predatory females. Their lifestyles reflect an almost unconscious imitation of soap opera scenarios. A predatory female enjoys cultivating scandalous events and involving herself in everyone's problems. A group of predatory females will even talk like soap opera players, whispering in conspiratorial tones and using exaggerated voice inflections. The alert observer can identify this predatory sign in almost any gathering of females."
24:00 Barbarossa talking about his blue pill dad and how he catered to his wife. Nice perspective by Barbarossa. In my family watching my father being unhappy I falsely concluded he didn't want children. My mother certainly made that part clear telling my brother and I often she regretted it. And so I falsely concluded that women weren't the problem, it was shitty jobs like my father had and children. Boy was I wrong.
MGTOW - In my opinion should be more focused on expansion with a purpose, a clear one like some said that only %1 of men are full red pill, and so we shouldent go into politics as you said(in politics the majority wins) but adopt the behavior of it. Its like that think of" better to have a small fish than nothink", but still focus to catch as big as u can. In the end find a margine of it with more people agreeing on it and MGTOW will grow even faster. And sorry for my bad english.
ty star dusk I am a high schooler and I am glad you help me dodge the marriage trap. anyways I would like to know your option of the women who get screwed over by marriage I know It not as prevalent, but I personally have an aunt who was massively fucked by her former marriage. I also would like to know If it's common uncommon rare etc... Have a nice day.
Your father is showing his male loyalty to the woman who will not compromise with him. Typical marraige dynamics. Your father also 'puts up' with the way your mother treats him. Just like my father. Again typical marraige dynamics. And likewise, I observed these dynamics as a child and the batchelor penny dropped in me, even though I had not even heard of mgtow by then; the mgtow seed was sown.
We (wife & I) help other Manginas retire too. We older people have simple ideas of life generally. Self worth comes from a status job, career, work place. Home life is not really for men. Working from home was not an easy option for our generation. The older women are similarly limited.
57:00 GWW (because her videos were trending) brought attention to MGTOW producers like barbarossa (that's how I found him) too. Her heterodox accounts of female/male behaviours must count as 'proto-mgtow' surely.
Yeah, he's talking about Thugtician. I know this because that's how I found Barb. He made one or two video responses to Thugtician and that's how I found Barb's channel.
Thinking-Ape @0:14 At least newcomer get an introduction to circle fapping. =) @5:57 As a freethinker I have to strictly adhere to being a no-piller. =)
1:25:20 I think they resent us for better understanding women.... for more fully accepting the famale nature as they still struggle to come to terms with reality. I think mgtow scares most of them in the same ways it scares tradcons.
I'm glad I took the red pill when I was 22 before I did anything dumb
That One Guy I realize this is old as hell but i still want to congratulate you. Your age i had a kid on the way already and got married. Love the kids but it was still the biggest mistake i ever made or will make. If you want a child, make sure you move to a jurisdiction that affords children to men atleast 40% of the time when they request it.
Lucky non cucky
Well done, man.
You lucky fuck
Well your 27 now & I sincerely hope you still haven't done anything dumb
Former PUA adept here. From my experience and what I observed within the community it's really more about bullshitting others rather than getting any actual results. Their forums are populated by two categories of people: gullible desperate newbs who think that reading PUA literature and paying thousands of dollars to go to meetings will get them laid and "professional" PUAs (those who make money off it) who keep telling the noobs how awesome their lives are to keep them paying.
Personally none of the tactics and day/night game stuff ever got me closer to getting laid than I was before, nor did it work for any of my PUA pals. We just wasted a lot of time hanging out at the malls and nightclubs trying to "game" with 0 success. Arguably I am short and non-masculine looking guy, so perhaps someone who looks more like Roosh has better results. But then whats the point of all this PUA nonsense anyway? All it really is a big waste of time and money.
What eventually changed my opinion of PUA was when I found out that one of the professional PUAs who was making videos about gaming other women was faking it all along. Turns out these were paid actresses and not random women on the street, who would at first give him the cold shoulder and after some PUA "tricks" suddenly change their mind. Obviously when gullible noobs like myself and others would ask on forums why these tactics don't work for us... well obviously because we "don't have game yet, we need to attend this seminar for $3000 and we will learn some secret PUA arts!"
TLDR if I had anything to say to those considering between PUAs and MGTOWs it's go your own way, don't waste your time and money on PUA scam artists. Your life is better spent improving yourself and working on something you enjoy.
I've done my own anecdotal work in regards to online dating. My personal results say only the PUA tactics work at all, whereas any sort of honesty is suicide. If I run game, I can get a dozen girls on my phone in time for the weekend. If I'm me, I can get maybe one girl in time for Christmas.
+The Obsidian Media Network I got game
She's got game
We got game
They got game
He got game
It might feel good
Or sound a little somethin'
But fuck the game if it ain't saying nothin'
***** I agree about out of my league, but I cant force myself to be interested in 3-4s. To me looks (and waistline) are very important. Sure I can get some land whale with no game involved but I wont get it up for her.
If that means I wont get laid... well too bad, at this point in life I have more important things to do.
Cake Griffin No
***** I actually completely agree with what you just said there. Probably miscommunication on my part.
After Barbarossa told that story about 15 minutes in. it’s convinced me that pimps are on to something. Not necessarily morally right, or even justifiable whatsoever, but in theory and in practice they seem to have figured out the nature of women, which is sad. Because as barb said, there’s an element of sociopathy and very calculated manipulation when it comes to getting women’s attention. I’ve noticed myself doing it, as well as my friends, brother, and father. I’m absolutely no playboy myself, but this is why a certain percentage of men (10-15%) when combined with being good looking, exploit these “techniques” and get the lion’s share of women’s attention. (85-90%)
Absolutely bro it’s quite depressing tbh but I think a lot of woman are genuinely only attracted to assholes the last one I had in my life I cared about alot but I was still naive and young so was she only a year older than me but I started quite toxic tbh didn’t care if we were dating or if we were just “acquaintances” or and not toxic towards her per say but she used to love when I was toxic to others and she virtually was all over me anytime I had an argument with someone and occasionally she would be touching/encouraging me during the argument we were solid for a few years albeit towards each other not so much some others but unfortunately for me I starting caring too much about her and tell her that and getting a bit more mature stopped a lot of the toxicity and didn’t want to be an asshole to people anymore and the spark was almost entirely gone and she left not long after in quite a depressing manner still bums out a bit to this day tbh how much they can switch up on you and be so cruel
When Bar bar and Stardusk speak on the same call, you stop what you're doing and listen very closely.
most defitnetly hail satan@!
+The Obsidian Media Network Both Barbarossa and I have dozens of videos talking about these things over the years, talking about mating strategies, in fact, go watch CS MGTOW's most recent video for that.. This was a discussion about Barbarossa and how he came to be MGTOW. You want to talk about game all day that is fine but you are not offering anything to MGTOW or MGTOW philosophy by doing so.
+DoomRulz even if you are at the verge of mastering a new yo-yo trick?
Disconnected Entity Do it with the lesser hand LOL
I miss spetsnaz though.
The two great celestial bodies have finally aligned.
Words can’t explain how much you guys have both helped and enlightened me.
I honestly thought I was going crazy. I am a strong person but there is only so much you can take before life begins to wear you down.
Coming across your content have not only further educated me but has also made me aware that I am not alone.
My batteries have been recharged. My purpose has been renewed.
I am not sure if I am MGTOW nor do I care. But I definitely have a deep profound respect for all the unsung heroes who have made this information available.
You have opened a Man’s eyes and made his back strong again.
“I am alive!”
Thank you 😎
Years later and still great conversation.
This conversation is timeless. It describes the developement of a boy into a man.
2015 - 2016 were
a golden age for MGTOW content (in my opinion)
@Rey-Nolds Absolutely legendary conversation
Amen
Amen
My experience is so close to what Barbarossa is describing. I noticed the same thing, although it took me longer to get it because I've always been stubborn, in terms of the favorable lies we're told about women, and I spent a brief period where I tried to adapt, but I decided that I simply couldn't live with myself being that way. It was simply unethical for me to be the way that you need to be to be successful with women, to be duplicitous, to be the bad boy or the asshole, and it began to truly anger me the lies that the entire social order tells about what women are like, and the fact that all of the rules and laws for men are based upon these lies. It is absolute madness. That's what began to draw me to MGTOW content.
it's almost 2020... it's after Christmas... I saw one ex of mine (my most stable relationship in my early 20s after which I found my red pill way).. she is pregnant now with twins... when I saw that it was a HUUUDGE sign of relief for me... I wanted to share that and this is the first red pill video I have seen after the event
Better to see than not to see
MGTOW gold, great conversation. Listening in late 2021
I hope you and Barbarossa do more talks in the future.
Right?
@@bagginsomgtao6111 is there another one ?
@@obed5oa Not too sure, might 1 or 2 other vids in the earlier stuff. Worth looking into.
@hissingm0nkyG4is he really dead or walked away?
@@chm9935he's Fine, Just left internet
Love love love this. You guys have had such a profound effect on me and my lfie, Im in a better place than Ive ever been. Completely financially secure with all the disposable income I could want. I life a truly liberated and fulfilling lifestyle and you guys had a direct impact on that. Thank you both.
This definitely deserves a second listen.
Starbarossa.
Bardusk.
+Gabriel Stan bur
such a great interview, thanks for upload, watching in 2019
2021 here..the world is falling apart lol
@@redpillsatori3020 I hear yah. Even if it falls apart: We won't just stand around and watch it burn. Let's claim the tools of knowledge and do the best for our loved ones.
1:27:27 ... something more valuable than sex is....learning to live your life the way you want to...that is the real prize....
Fascinating discussion. Well done gentlemen.
Prob wont see this but great video from you guys💯
my favorite MGTOW talk thus far, I could listen to this dialog between Barbarossa and Stardusk forever, and one of the topics on the Tom Leykis show right now is "ghosting"
Bar and star together. No offence, but this was long over due.
Wish they did more...
Checking in with my MGTOW brothers, hope you all are doing well.
I remember listening to Tom Leykis in 2006. He was somewhere between PUA and MGTOW back then. His show began in 1994. The Lekis 101 stuff started in 1997
Damn good conversation, even eight years later.
Thank you very much gentlemen for your candid and succinct conversation. I always get something from listening to you guys and by doing so gather new perspectives unto myself and the world around me, thank you much...
Man, I wish Barbarossa was still making videos.
I always questioned myself why a lot of couples if not the majority of couples who are married never seemed or seem truly happy. It's like I can sense that they force their happiness just to put up a front for everyone. I always knew something was wrong but could never piece it together until now.
In my world both of these men are Kings for their work. Much much respect to both of you. I will forever be grateful and thankful for opening my eyes to reality and for preventing me future suffering. You have my loyalty and respect to the upmost. Keep up the good work.
I forgot you two existed in the same dimension
Guys, thanks for the candid conversation by two old farts chewing the fat. Kindly take this as a compliment because I spent time in the father’s rights area in the 80s and 90s and those guys could not “get it together” to have a community. This MGTOW has great value in that one has only to look at interactions with women to confirm these observations that are being given voice.
Re: gynocentrism I understand neither of you found anything at the dawn of MGTOW relating to gynocentrism on RUclips, but I just did a quick Google search on my site and the earliest reference I find there to gynocentrism is in 1995. I was proto-MGTOW at that time and very involved in the MRM and I recall many discussions about gynocentrism among the Seattle MRAs.
Hell yeah backlash. All the greats under one roof.
That biodiesel story is cool as hell, it's real inspiring to hear how effective it is.
I was listening to these two guys since the beginning. It’s always good to get back to the roots cuz things can get quite watered down. I wore the mgtow name for awhile and thought that ppl started adding all sorts of crap to the levels. I’ll just keep continuing on with the basics
Watching in 2021
Two legends in the same vid!
Male delusion.
Been there, done that!
Not any more though....
Your interaction defines the term ...masculine intellect. ..........thank u ......from the depth of my soul (metaphorically)........thank u.
About time, gentlemen :)
The two MGTOW greats together at the same time in the same place! Long overdue and great to hear.
damn,...I needed these videos years ago. You and huMan are crushing it!
Make sure to claim barbarossa's clips, that are shattered all over youtube, as well. Many of them are not on his channel anymore, but can still be found when you search for them.
His clip "The Post-feminism Man" is considered as the anthem of free men and his clips on hybristophilia are also very educating. I also suggest you shoud learn about Briffault's law if you didn't already, Ted.
Yay ! I wanted this for so long. This is a very good talk.
Excellent conversation gentlemen. This needs to happen more often.
Am marathoning all your videos bro. The more red pill. The better
I don't read much PUA content because there is very little new that they post there that I don't already know and what new there is, doesn't usually work or have no basis on what is true or not. The content they have is really hit and miss.
Ultimately people are actually not that hard to understand in my opinion. You just have to pay attention enough to social ques, what they say, how they say it, what expressions (verbal and non-verbal) they use and know something about them and you can tell quite a lot about how the person thinks. From there, it is not too hard to predict what how they will react to things.
For example, someone who has had an absent father who left early from her childhood often tends to have trust issues towards males. They might slip and yet, they also often want to have that strong male figure in life to fix for the lost security that their father could have provided.
It really is not that hard when you learn the talent of seeing the world trough other peoples eyes and experiences because I guarantee you that if you were given the same situation, then you would turn out pretty much the same as they have. You just have to dig up the start and pretty much the rest just flow.
But even though I know all of this, I have the sciences of human condition behind me and I even have the tools to work with those personality types that have issues. I just don't find it appealing to do something like that. Because lets be honest here, our existence to the purposes of greater universal meaning is particularly irrelevant. It does not mean our lives can not have meaning, in fact I have a lot of it. But ultimately our impact to the universe is practically insignificant.
And I have had some females talking to me and they have been asking why MGTOW. My response has been that ask yourself, what was great men if history, like Newton, Tesla, Pascal, Einstein or even modern time Stephen Hawkin, what are/were they known for? Well certainly not from their relationship status. But from their contribution to the betterment of whole human society and the advancement of scientific field and our knowledge about the universe.
So it becomes clear that our lives are not determined by the relationships that we have with other human beings but our contribution to the better end of our species and how extensive that contribution is, determines our value. It is not to say relationships with other human beings, even if simply friendships aren't important. What I am saying is that from 1000-years from now on, no one will remember a person named you and what sort of relationships you had if that was your high point in life. However people will remember you if you achieved to do something significant.
And this. This point right here is why I find so much value in the MGTOW path. Every day your intellectual capacity is being challenged in new ways, where open debate with critically thinking people exists, where the best of the best ideas survive until a better one is developed and where new information is constantly challenged. In a way, I see MGTOW as a bastion of what the modern day academia isn't, but what it used to be once. This, this is valuable.
Im just here wondering if barbar is still in that relationship. That post feminism video resonated with me id play it through my headphones on my way to work when I was younger. I do wonder how hes doing and if he turned his back on the manosphere or not
Equal lefts and equal rights mate .
"Situational awareness" that's a good one. Might use that.
Barbar my parents are each 70 and are now divorcing after four decades of marriage. I know it doesn't happen often but don't be surprised if it does. My father is in a very similar situation to yours (1 year retired now) in that he wants to return to his home country whereas my mother does not. After he is done with the divorce I am not positive he will follow through with it. He is having trouble working himself up to leaving the country after decades of living here. Even more disturbing, he is thinking of going back to work at his age because he can't find any propose for himself outside of working. I understand it but I can't relate to it. We've spoken but like you I don't think I fully got through to him.
Along with Vention showing us how MGTOW can facilitate success and happiness, another man approaching middle age who I think is producing some interesting content is the RUclipsr heartbern. I think he falls into the same kind of category of being able to give advice to younger MGTOWs based on his personal experiences and growth into a more mature manifestation of someone going his own way.
brilliant men speaking pure truth.
Stardusk you soiling a brother today two MGTOW talks. Thanks
Stardusk has the best mockery ever
Watching 2020 second time.
On my journey you were introducing evo psyc if you can accept the crude term. I came from an art phil background, and started with chomsky transformational grammar and all the decon guys from grad school.
You and Mgtow gave some real world contemporary examples, some red pills.
My new area is to sync with genetics, and have just finished all the Dawkins work on evolution, more evo psyc.
These more scientifically grounded men have qualified parts of the Mgtow movement, even though they may disavow it in public. Were all driving to answering the big questions, why are we here and where are we going.
All roads lead to politics so now Im trying to find a praxis from my journey, a way of being i can make into a personal philosophy, something i can share, as you two do.
Barbarossa gave me a touchstone vision in one of his works.
Its the fantasy of man, woman and the state sitting around a negotiating table, the state leaning one way or another through the ages. The state is a self interested mediator, created from the fears and dreams of both sides toward their goals.
With mgtow men have pulled away from the table, even walking away, denying their evolutionary goals, Dawkins selfish gene.
This is a hardball strategy, but they have left the state alone with the women.
When they return the triangle will be broken and the bond stabilized to exclude them as passive but ultimately free orbitals.
Their spermatozoic contribution will be their sexual activity in the transhuman. Sexual reproduction is now socialized in human farming, artificial insemination and embryo to grave state control.
Racial and sexual politics collapses into a computer genomic game.
Today Canada is preparing the way with cannabis grow ops, a prototype of human farming. Inside highly mechanized dark industrial sheds are built the endless cycle. Starting with the aptly named mother room, the genomic experiment is started, porgressing in timed steps to flower rooms then trimming and shipping rooms.
Scaling up to the human genome is just next.
Re-listening 9 yrs later.......
22:00 I always had that feeling, that women wanted you to play a certain figure/character. the only reason why I experienced it in anyway. Is because I garner a lot of fun out of blasting peoples expectations of what should or would have happened. Always behaving in some againt the grain behaviour and everytime I did it, It generated some sort of dissapointment.
I guess I never fitted in any of these selfmade stories.
Watching this in 2020
I feel we need the legends in MGTOW to inspire others. Not that you guys don't inspire us. Thanks for the hard work guys. Bar Bar and Stardusk your fathers sound right brilliant. I never really watched a lot of neo unplugged videos( his valentine's day video was well done) but I hope he's well.
Definitely going to watch this when I get the chance.
A little drawn out at times, but a great talk nontheless.
Nasty roast beef :D
This is a great talk. The PUA shit amuses me to no end lol.
Excellent guys...thanks!
Barbarossa is Dominican...OMG
IMHO the path to the Red Pill will vary from man to man however, I firmly believe that many men despite the awakening would return to blue pill existence or a variation of it if men had not started talking and sharing stories etc via the internet. For me personally and I am quite sure its the same for other men. The most important aspect is the regular reinforcement and confirmation from others within the manosphere.
and in person!
Go MGTOW!
Well done.
+Betty Swolloks You're right. That was me. If men weren't talking, I never would have changed. I started with Stardusk but he never linked anything most of the time. I knew somehow he was telling the truth. From him, I found Leykis, various men's forums, and started to notice things that I personally experienced. And we all see it. The same situation replaying itself. It's why MGTOW think Feminism is natural to women instead of some outside product. I've seen it at work and experienced it myself.
I don't even remember the article. It was how some Feminists wanted to change things. I remember just fucking snapping. I was so filled with rage because it was Feminism that taught me the extent of just how selfish and manipulative women could be. All that other shit was just that on a smaller scale. At this point, it's just constant constant reinforcement.
TYRANNICAL Exactly. Feminism is just normal female nature out in the open for all to see. The unintended consequence of this has been to awaken men to how women really view men and our own shitty position within society. Just look at all these " women against feminism" videos that are now appearing, desperately trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube.
Where is Barbarossa today?
Married with children
The black guy from the UK I think they were trying to remember is Thugtician. The first person I started listening to on RUclips that had me thinking in a different way about how men were being treated.
Come on Stardusk, you can do a 2.0 of this talk with Bar Bar... Come on... please?
Stardusk and BarBar Shippuden.
50:00
I had no girl problems before consciously going my own way. Even when I was a kid I would always fantasise about living on my own (or with an adopted child), well before seeing women in an unflattering light. My peers were obviously subjected to the same environment, so I suppose it must be somehow biological.
Maby you had the berserk architype early, the lone wolf called "the struggler" and saw strength and meaning in it
Well with the name Tiffany what else do you expect...
So true.
I remember when I first took the red pill. Dec 2004. GOOD TIMES!!
thank you
21:50
Reading from, The Predatory Female book, by Rev Lawrence Shannon
"Soaps
Q. How are predatory females and soap
operas associated?
A. TV soap operas are particularly attractive
to predatory females.
Their lifestyles reflect
an almost unconscious imitation of soap
opera scenarios. A predatory female enjoys
cultivating scandalous events and involving herself in everyone's problems.
A group of predatory females will even talk like soap opera players, whispering in conspiratorial tones and using exaggerated voice inflections.
The alert observer can identify this predatory sign in almost any gathering of females."
that ending! thanks for the work
Hey Stardusk, a tangential suggestion: apply some kerning to your logo, i.e. reduce the space between the T and the A slightly. No innuendo intended.
2 years since Vention passed RIP Vention 🙏
Time is flying
Three years since the passing of Paul Proteus.
Thugtician was who they were referring to. I’ve been listening to a lot of thugtician recently , incredible stuff, ahead of his time
24:00 Barbarossa talking about his blue pill dad and how he catered to his wife. Nice perspective by Barbarossa.
In my family watching my father being unhappy I falsely concluded he didn't want children. My mother certainly made that part clear telling my brother and I often she regretted it. And so I falsely concluded that women weren't the problem, it was shitty jobs like my father had and children. Boy was I wrong.
Great Video!!
RIP Vention
I heard people mentioning this, but Idk what it means. Who was he?
@@nocturnaljoe9543 og. Great person. Him, Barbarossa. we stand on the backs of giants
@@Lucas-gj1td We truly do when it comes to Barbarossa and Stardusk, but I never heard of Vention.
MGTOW - In my opinion should be more focused on expansion with a purpose, a clear one like some said that only %1 of men are full red pill, and so we shouldent go into politics as you said(in politics the majority wins) but adopt the behavior of it. Its like that think of" better to have a small fish than nothink", but still focus to catch as big as u can. In the end find a margine of it with more people agreeing on it and MGTOW will grow even faster. And sorry for my bad english.
And again I am not saying MGTOW wont grow but the faster the better.
ty star dusk I am a high schooler and I am glad you help me dodge the marriage trap. anyways I would like to know your option of the women who get screwed over by marriage I know It not as prevalent, but I personally have an aunt who was massively fucked by her former marriage. I also would like to know If it's common uncommon rare etc...
Have a nice day.
Your father is showing his male loyalty to the woman who will not compromise with him. Typical marraige dynamics.
Your father also 'puts up' with the way your mother treats him. Just like my father. Again typical marraige dynamics.
And likewise, I observed these dynamics as a child and the batchelor penny dropped in me, even though I had not even heard of mgtow by then; the mgtow seed was sown.
Insightful discussion
We (wife & I) help other Manginas retire too. We older people have simple ideas of life generally. Self worth comes from a status job, career, work place. Home life is not really for men. Working from home was not an easy option for our generation.
The older women are similarly limited.
57:00 GWW (because her videos were trending) brought attention to MGTOW producers like barbarossa (that's how I found him) too. Her heterodox accounts of female/male behaviours must count as 'proto-mgtow' surely.
Greate talk! 👍
At 16:00, I think you are referring to: *Thugticianwisdom*?
Yeah, he's talking about Thugtician. I know this because that's how I found Barb. He made one or two video responses to Thugtician and that's how I found Barb's channel.
+plo617 Yup, thugtician...
Thinking-Ape @0:14 At least newcomer get an introduction to circle fapping. =)
@5:57 As a freethinker I have to strictly adhere to being a no-piller. =)
Is barbarossa Dave Smith?
Outstanding
Hey where is the link to bar bar channel... :p
ELDER SCROLLS!...
@13:00 - run this is start of the cycle.
I hear Barbarossa is dead.
RIP
wow your dad is smart..can i convert my car
I just found thinking ape, sub. Where do I find Barbarosa, bit-chute?
Search for BAR BAR channel on YT.
What wound up happening to Neo?
1:25:20 I think they resent us for better understanding women.... for more fully accepting the famale nature as they still struggle to come to terms with reality. I think mgtow scares most of them in the same ways it scares tradcons.
PUAs and MGTOW need to work together. We need women to survive, you can't deny that.
SLAP FIRST, SLAP LAST, SLAP ALWAYS! ;D
Haha, This is Funny. I am a PUA originally from Dominican Republic and I live in the Bronx.
Who is "Menshen", does he have a channel?
Search for VentionMGTOW.
👍
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