" When a woman tells you she loves you, she means it, ......in the moment. " And without a strong sense of loyalty, empathy, and responsibility, she is free to change her mind in the next moment.
Words to take to heart. It will save male lives. Females and their "addictive" FE... Seductive parasites; only good for reproduction and harvesting the deaths of men.
@@shivarampersaud6799 bro there is only 1 way for you to go as soon as you understand them full circle You can not love them anymore because they have no loving characteristics they are empty chameleon. Its crazy im thankfull for the red pill knowledge after my break up from an LTR and now its a little bit more than 2 years ago and since meaby march 2023 ive found peace it was a long way but know i will never be capable of loving a woman again and i dont hate women im just mad i was disinformed Keep your head up bro live goes on PEACE
@@DamianBrownie5 years ago when I started to understand I underestimated this saying, but now I fully understand coz I’m on the same boat and there is no way out, you can never love women and understand them once you love them you don’t understand them at all you a blind I think love is a foolish idea created for men, what a stupid idea
Me too, I wasted so many years not knowing what the hell was going on with women and It's only in the last 5 years or so that I realised and had it confirmed due to previous experiences. I'm not too happyt that the world is like this but it is what it is.
Misinformed how? As I remember my life all those things were mentioned in the kindergarten already and i was trying to fight back even then. later I somewhat fell for that propaganda. In fact it is not even related to women in any way. It is no different from muslim children who are brainwashed that they are supposed to brow uop themselves to bring infidels to hell
" When a woman tells you she loves you, she means it, ......in the moment. " The overwhelming majority of women can't love and don't know what love is, but saying that they love you makes them (the women) feel good. Those are feel good words.
This should be taught in future schools. But future schools may have no kids in them. You are a great man, you save many brothers from pain and I wish you well weathering the Void.
This is how I feel about vvomen: I know that if I saw a lady fall down and hurt herself, I would have an instinctive drive to run and help her because I can see she needs help. But now I fully understand that if I myself were to fall down and hurt myself, any nearby lady would not feel the same way, in fact, she would feel the opposite, she would look at me as an 'inferior' male since I cannot protect myself, and she would feel 'disgust'. I then begin to feel 'disgust' of females for this behavior that they have towards men. I don't hate vvomen, I am still very much attracted to their physical appearance, but I feel disgusted by the way they behave, and for that reason I do not seek out any long-term relationships with them anymore since I know that there is nothing in it for me other than to be hurt by the way they will eventually treat me.
Funny this other day I fell down, the weather was very strange it went from hot to cold my body went out of balance and I collapsed for few seconds when I wake up two females were passing by they didn’t even care or say anything, One man at a further distance rushed in and ask are you okay, at first I thought you were just drunk but I see you waking up, and then he gave me water I told him I collapsed, he helped me Women don’t care about anything that doesn’t service them and for that reason I don’t take a single women serious at all
The only way to live happily in the void is to use the suspension of disbelief to your advantage to fulfil your emotional and biological needs. If you enter the void,take it easy gentlemen because the world turns grey from color very fast. Acceptance is the key. Brilliant piece SD, hats off! Thank you so much, I dint know why I wasn't feeling anything after the rage. But now I see that I am not alone in the vast void. Lack of motivation is real if you don't love anything more than your relationship. That's why you need to love something in your life. I love motorcycles and traveling, it saved me. So glad I found your channel.
Yes. I like this. Made me think. And it made me miss Barbarossa's content. You guys had a big impact in my life, a couple of years ago. And to this day, i can go back and listen to hours and hours of tought provoking content. Thank you, for still being around in the youtube-sphere man.
The Void is also the literal translation of ‘Zen’. The way you describe how you see the world as pixels is how I have seen it for a while too. There is no motivation as you see behind the veil of all motives and motivation, which is ego, and ego is all about survival of the self. The only issue is whether your ego/identity has been programmed from within or from without. Very few people reach this stage of understanding. Life, especially conscious life, is but an absurdity.
"You can either love women or you can understand them, but you can't do both." Reminds me of a statement from the Anime called "Bleach" "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding." This is very perceptive.
This is brilliant. You are touching upon many layered truths about the human experience. I think the over-arching theme is that it is better to know and perhaps be terrified than it is to be deceived and used and blamed.
Self plagiarism, I guess. In truth, multiple people can present stimulating videos. But I wish I were equipped to devise an original compliment for each good I comment on.
From 18 to about my mid 30s, I always wanted to kill myself, because the pain of being separated from the world I once knew was so great. I'm close to 50 now and my isolated existence hasn't changed but I don't want to commit suicide anymore, not for a while now. The only thing that stopped me from ending this emptiness in the past was my belief in an after-life, but it was like being stuck in between two hells, one physical and one spiritual. Today, I live in this void you speak of, in the ruins and rubble of the past.
This is a path I'm dealing with as we speak. Everything that men were told was a powerful but destructive lie. Women can do NO wrong. And yet, they've committed more heinous crimes than your average cliche broken man with nothing to lose. And then these women who are on Tiktok who complain about being single when they had every opportunity to become a wife and a mother and grandmother. It's honestly depressing.
This video should give men a better understanding of why women choose killers,bad boys and players over beta males. The woman either consciously or subconsciously know they don't have the ability to love.So the bad boy and player look desirable to her because they usually aren't looking for love either unlike the beta male who has the love bug.The beta male isn't desired by a lot of females because he expects something from females that they can't give and that's *love*. Only when she breaks down the bad boy or player into her illusion of love she will no longer won't him either because he's been conquered to her deception of love.Now some women will get frustrated by not being able to break a bad boy or player of this love she can't really feel,so she'll resort to breaking up with him.At some point most women will come to the beta male because she knows he's at standby,him and his delusions of love and she knows it and recent him for it.Only when she needs you for her on selfish desires will she finally choose the beta male . She'll give him a illusion of love he wants for resources because he sees something in women that's not there,and that's love.
Thinking-Ape For sure. It was worth the wait. And will always be worth the wait for all of your future MGTOW videos, my internet friend. You helped wake me up, like Morpheus to Neo. And now I'm Morpheus the Black Neo! Videos like this are what are the most enlightening to the blue pill guys like I used to be. And also very inspirational. 🖖
@Holographic Nonsense. SD is 39 years old. He's already experienced a life-times worth with respects to women, work-life balance, gradual observational acquisition of red pill knowledge, etc. How many times must a man hit his head on a wall before learning to wear a helmet? He strikes me as someone who is reasonably content with his life. I wish I could achieve such a level of homeostasis. I am currently at the point that he was over a decade ago, working all the time and wishing I had more free time. I hope to save enough money so that I can work part time and have more free time to enjoy my hobbies as well as ponder on deeper Mgtow related topics. I currently do not have that luxury.
The Holographic Sentience lifestyle is retiring to one's bedroom to post antagonistic comments on MGTOW videos for years as though it has some correlation with mentally healthy behavior.
Has anyone ever felt that inner turmoil in your soul yearning for complete unity with a woman while knowing that in reality women use that desire to their advantage and your ultimate detriment? The realisation that that state is in fact a fantasy that will never be fulfilled? That the desire you've held since your youth, and that constitutes part of the core of your existence is in fact a lie? How do you just walk away from that? Any experiences?
I don't have the rage, but I certainly still have the post red pill malaise. Your video on that was particularly hard hitting for me personally because it made me realise what I was going through. I don't so much feel betrayal exclusively by women but by the society we live in. When I look at what's wrong I can help blaming everyone and everything. It's just like the whole fucking world is messed up and increasingly I crave isolation to just be away from it. If I'm honest I don't think I will ever get over the post red pill depression. The lack of motivation still hasn't subsided and I just care less and less. I can only imagine spending my life with a woman if that woman was like GWW or Alison Tieman - one of us who is conscious of these things. Anything else and I would just be living a lie, living in silence being dishonest to myself and really no woman is worth going through that. The only thing that can make me happy is my freedom, to be able to go where I want, do what I want and be what I want. And I know this sounds awful but I can't help but look down upon women now. I just see them as less clever, less able, less impressive and above all incredibly weak. Yes I know it's wrong but I just can't connect with them now, they bore me senseless.
Your not missing out on much. It's better to be alone than be around someone or people who will belittle you eventually. Ones own freedom creates near limitless options for him to pursue. The trick question is picking the first path and that in itself is entirely based on individual decision.
You don’t have to apologize for your feelings toward and perception of women. Especially since you are absolutely correct. There are absolutely unimpressive by and large to say the least
Out of all the mgtow content I've watched and listened to none has spoken to me like this has. This particular video speaks volumes to me and finally helped me to understand what I'm going through during my red pill rage and for a while now I've been in the void. I called it the emotional black hole because I felt nothing and couldn't get out of it. I'm pleased I'm no the only one that feels like this. keep up the good work, your videos are immense and thank you for this enlightenment of understanding on this topic.
Excellent, this should be heard far and wide. You're right, when red-pilled all the way there is little space for rage as one sees things far too clinically... Indoctrination and biological determinism as opposed to betrayal. These lies always stem from a mystical sense of self, disconnected from reality. Is the void so bad? One can still feel pleasure, contentment, excitement--and these feelings are less dependent on being shared with or validated by others. While we don't experience the same heady dopamine-highs (at least endogenously ;) of those in fantasy-land, we're also spared the extreme lows. Socially isolating to be sure, but even-keel has its appeal. Cheers buddy.
The thing is once you understand redpill and women you analyze all your interactions through a redpill lense which can keep you on gaurd. The hard thing I find is to pick and choose when you can allow yourself to be vulnerable to female nature to serve yourself and yet also to serve the female. The downside is you can never drop your gaurd when dealing with women. So you have to pre decide what you are willing to lose in order to have relations with women because you will have to sacrifice something.
I'm only 25 and I understand women. I wish I didn't because it makes me feel quite depressed. I'm a romantic at heart and knowing I'll never meet a women who holds the same morals, ethics, and values as me hurts deeply. I thank God for the mgtow community, it helps me strengthen my heart knowing other men struggle with this and succeed in finding happiness without women.
13:39 So you're basically like Neo but in real life. Just ones and zeros everywhere. I swear, the Matrix is still the perfect analogy for MGTOW, albiet cheesy sometimes.
Fantastic video! I am currently in the void that you speak of.. for me this void is a place of rest and introspection so it is serving a purpose for me at the moment.. so maybe it's not a void at all.. I was in red pill rage for years an now I'm completely spent.. totally drained of emotion towards women like yourself. Maybe the void forces us to finally stop running the race that we've been running our whole lives and truly look into ourselves and figure out what we want to do with our lives because we've been living for someone else for so long we don't know what we want out of life anymore.. your videos have changed my life..keep on going your own way guys!
Jeff Mcilroy True words brother. I in the same boat. The anger is subsiding, and I am slowly exploring new frontiers in my life. Slowly, surely and most importantly consciously, we will get there.
But you merely adopted the void. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the bluepill until I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but blinding.
"Through application and study." DING DING DING. That's what happened to me. Every once in a while I see posts from men asking how do they overcome sexual desire. How to defeat the fear of loneliness. They simply either lack the experience or the knowledge. Either in a strong enough amount will bring forth the freedom they seek.
I know the red-pill induced lack of motivation all too well. Great video! It resonates, even though I am married. People say knowledge is dangerous, but most people understand that in a totally different way.
Red Pill Germany I know you through your channel, my ques. to you: how is it being married and mgtow. I would assume all men are hurt in their last relation to become MGTOW.
Its amazing how similar reactions and subsequent experiences are for men that fully accept the bitter reality of human sexuality and gender relations. Anger and bitterness, then the eventual "well what next?". I am so thankful for some of the more cerebral and pragmatic content on here. Very comforting during those times where loneliness and longing decide to show face.
Stardusk, I just wanted to say thank you. The topics, particularly The Void, have been on my mind the past several months. I was once a liberal and am now independent, I was once a Christian and am now an atheist, I was once in love and now no longer believe it is returned. The slow receding of poetry in my life has not led to lethargy however. Yet that's besides the point. Marvin Minsky once said "I'd like people to think of emotions as only occurring when you have nothing else left to think." He researched artificial intelligence at MIT. You might interested in some of his perspectives. My point is this, poetry such as God or love is not fundamentally any measurable degree of understanding what is occurring right in front of you. So perhaps stretching Marvin Minsky's perspective we might say the void is having at least one thing to think whereas the poetry makes you ignorant and leaves you with nothing else left to think. Thank you again for your work.
Man, I've been listening to you for years now, but this may be your best video yet. Thank you! I've been feeling very similar lately, searching for something to give it more meaning, yet it all ends up feeling thoroughly hollow ... I'll keep on searching ...
You are not in the void my Brother. You are fighting the void. You have empathy, more than you like to admit. Thats why you help us, people like me. People like us. Thank you Star Dusk...i hope one day to have a conversation with you .. if only you knew the good you have done in the world .. much love man... afterthought: after learning many truths it is easy to crawl in a hole...u chose to help us going down this path of pain and knowledge....I want you to always be around.
If you're in the void stop thinking; start doing. Walks are good, especially in nature. Cycling is good. Yoga is good. Weight training is good. Listening to music is good. But chose your own "doings." It is a simple choice, whatever the truth of our existence is, we can engage or sit still. For me, engaging is far better! For what it's worth, I went MGTOW Monk in the mid 90's at 34 years old. I thought I was alone. I thought it was just my problem. This community has explained a lot to me. I can tell you that over the years my life has been a slow crescendo, always getting better.
Damn this is deep, but it all makes clear perfect sense. Listening to this is like getting a look at the structural framework of society. If only I could have had this understanding when I was younger.
I find myself in much the same situation as you, though I could never describe it as eloquently and completely as you have. Thank you for this video, it is much appreciated. The fact that I am only 22 makes my instance of this much stranger. I chose to pursue a degree in theoretical physics with the hope that in can be the solution to this conundrum. Suffice it to say, I think I am in roughly the same place in the continuum you described as you are. Philosophy certainly helps clear a path for the constructing of a better or fuller self, in particular Nietzsche's idea of the Will to Power, as Marcus from Groundwork for the metaphysics of MGTOW explored it in his latest video - namely that striving for creative self-expression is what constitutes the state of being alive - of a turbulence of ideas, expressed better and better with each following instantiation. I don't think creative self-expression is a magical bridge that one could cross to leave the void, it is more of a quest to flip the void on its head and to try to formulate the inverse of it and to lead more and more of your thought to inhabit what I would term the "anti-void", which would be a place of turbulent and wild swings of mental energy, though structured i way that allows for it to affect the one's physiology positively and to be expressed in something more clear than gibberish to others. As I have plunged into this rabbit's hole no more than 2 years ago and being young and inexperienced, my thoughts aren't as structured as yours, but I believe I'm gradually making progress in bringing structure to the void and I believe studying mathematics and physics has helped me immensely in that regard as it helps clear the mental fog and separate useless from useful thoughts. Still, making this "anti-void" a reality seems like a colossal project to me and I have zero clue whether it can actually be achieved. Ah, too much of a rant. TL;DR : Void:me 1:0 but math helps
You have some interest views on the issue, i am really curious if you had some level of success on this, as for me the void is until now, something sterile.
Yes, Nietzscheanism is the way forward. I realize now that this is a five year old comment, and perhaps you've grown more since you typed it, but I am 23 and arriving at the same conclusions that you did. I sort of already "knew" this stuff was the truth about two years ago, but now I'm coming to actually accept and internalize it. This so-called "void" is hitting hard, even though I see the way forward- the creation of the "anti-void" you mention, living dangerously, the ubermensch, etc. I suggest reading Bronze Age Mindset by Bronze Age Pervert if you haven't already- I think you would find it both entertaining and insightful.
This video reminds me of Albert Camus. The message of accepting reality with no illusions and accepting one's true nature. The veracity of one's thoughts. Insightful and articulate content. Thank you sir for your work 🙏
I'm 28 and you're words resonate with me so much it scares me... Thank you for your help / work I'm confused on some topics but you are a great teacher / eye opener thank you
I am at whatever 'stage' of understanding you call it where I've been in this void you describe, and while that was a dangerous place to be to begin with and still is, I have a sense that it is where I belong. I've accepted what reality is as well as I can with what limited knowledge and wisdom I possess, and it looks like the 'ones and zeroes' world was built for me even though I disengage from the illusions. 'Built' in a sense of waiting to be comprehended and experienced accurately, such as that no matter what I do, I can accept the outcome. I see the determinism of whatever comes in a fortuitous way. That in itself makes me feel alive, and when I don't feel such, all I have to do is remember all the memories that together constitute my life, all the stories and things I've learned. I don't think you really see it as a curse, nor do I. I think I've ended up much like you and thus why I was drawn to your channel in the first place. I've never been in a romantic relationship (lucky me), but I've considered it several times just because I thought it might be an interesting experiment. But every time I've considered 'running that experiment' I realize there's no point because I've already seen what it is through others and have no interest in romance - I have a sense of being unfeeling, like you. And that gives me a certain serenity. As for the concern of being motivated to do things... What we can do about that is to work for each other, men like ourselves, in our shared perspective. Let us draw strength and motivation from each other while still being individuals. Stay strong, my friend. You do us all a great service with your thoughtfulness, and I hope you'll never stop being who you are.
Needed this, the void idk what I was feeling the past year but yes that’s it. Not hatred, not nihilism, just being and accepting the reality. Thank you for the words you give it helps a lot.
Wow... I have been in love and loved the same by him for forty years. We had respect for each other...even when we diagreed on something. He died in my arms last year, and I couldn't stop telling him how much I loved and arored him. I hope you have this experience of love before you die...truly I do. Now I am alone but...at peace and grateful for the experience of protound wnd enduring love.😊
Rather live in the void than pretend the world isnt the way it is let others lie to themselves live is about finding something to strive towards thats truly worth while even if thats never found
3:21 "What is the sense of betrayal? Something is wrong with his mystic construct. It's not as mystical and fabulous and beautiful as he thought it was ..." True words and they can be applied to a myriad of other mystical constructs such as patriotism, religion, education, and so forth.
Feb16,2020 Greatly enjoyed the content, Im a married schzoid introvert and closet mgtow. The thing that helps some men in the void is the challenge or amusement of video games. For me its the challenges in the nature of living in the mountain backcountry. The solitude on the mountain, by the creek or tending a campfire. I still have to put time in as a spouse but I really understand the shallow, childish, unattractive qualities of female nature and accept it as pathetic at best. I can’t change her. They can’t help it. I’ve learned in the void its better to be a man - human ‘be’ing, living in the moment rather than a human do-ing. Understanding women is better than staying blue pilled. That’s like a prisoner that doesn’t know he’s also a slave.
Finding the proper balance between storm and void is a struggle I have become all too familiar with in recent years. The "narrative" under which I labored in my 20s has run its course, and I find myself encumbered more and more by basal urges I thought I had largely learned to suppress. This conflict between instinct and reason threatens to condemn me to the void. To protect against irrational behavior, I find I overcompensate by relentlessly analyzing the behaviors of those around me (particularly women) to discern their motivations. As such I am everyday less able to see the forest for the trees. A thoughtful and well-reasoned contemplation on this strife is comforting to hear.
You should learn how to quiet your reason and with that your thoughts via meditation. Learn how to be in the moment and actually enjoy it. I'm certain you can do it - it is very similar to the trance-like state of reading a book, watching the environment while riding a bus/train etc. It sounds to me like Stardusk could use some of that as well, then again it would astonish me if he's never tried it. But what do I know, I'm just an unemployed bum at the moment haha.
Thank you for this video, some of the best advice I've received over the past few years, you've helped me better understand myself as Ive also been living (lost) in the void for a few years
You make very good points on this video. I think your videos are some of the most insightful I've ever watched in the manosphere/red pill/black pill space. Very well done as always.
never went through red pill rage. there was never a time i crossed a line and i went from blue pill to red pill, in my case it was a gradual, lifelong adjustment to red pill rather than a single definitive moment. in fact, as a kid before puberty, i sensed what the game was all about anyway, it was rather in plain sight. it was only in puberty when i actually could care about women did that recede somewhat. but because i was shy, it was into my twenties before i got any dating experience, so i was able to observe rationally what was going on before then. if anything, the movies and love songs brainwashed me into thinking that women were more charming, sophisticated and lovely than they actually were, every girl i met never matched up to those, they were all a disappointment- each subsequent girl that came along with dating experience further confirmed that something seemed off from what i was expecting. so i was more deflated i would say over time rather than a red pill rager.
Man that suspension of disbelief thing is too true. I have the same problem now I cant engage anymore I cant go back to the way things were I mean i still like sex but I can see the syntax programming and it makes me cold.
red-pill rage has basically been my de-facto state of being ever since I hit puberty. Thanks to my Asperger (autism) I was never very susceptible to the mythical miasma of femininity. I had always had a sort of 'problem' with understanding normies to begin with but when my hormones started kicking in and I started to become sexually attracted to and interested in women I was always puzzled at the weird relationship dynamic men vs women seemed to be in. I've always felt uncomfortable and at certain points on the verge of rage and outburst at the inconsistencies and lack of logical consistency and congruity of human relationships, and in particular romantic relationships. When I finally came across MGTOW and the red-pill movement it was more of an "ah, so THAT's how that works, good! now I have the answer to that particular social/biological dilemma I could never quite figure out." I have had girlfriends, and I do hope to have more relations with women in the future... however armed with this knowledge I will be sure to apply a Patrice o'Neal esque approach to them armed with all of this knowledge that you (Stardusk) and the likes of Karen, tl;dr, TFM and others have provided me and will no longer get heartbroken and confused beyond belief when she eventually tells me she 'just doesn't love me anymore'. From the bottom of my heart, you have my thanks. While I do not feel as devoid of meaning as you might, I too view the world primarily as a bunch of pixels and mechanics. I have an intense desire for understanding how and why everything works and is the way it is. However, I do take joy from this. Seeing and understanding the way things work or seeing a particular conversation or incident play out exactly how I imagined it would in accordance to my understanding of the mechanics at play gives me a great sense of achievement and joy and this is basically the narrative I've adopted since a young age to cope with the fact that even if I wanted to just be 'an actor' in the videogame I found myself ill-equiped and adverse to doing so. Some people see autism as a disability or a curse. While I cannot speak for others and I certainly am glad that I've just got 'the assburgers' version of it and not the 'rainman' version of it, I am very much glad and proud to be the way I am.
I think what you said has broader application than just women, that is one of the things we have to let go of, our childish fantasies of the world, how we wish or want things to be, instead of how they are. Not just in respect to women, but nearly every facet of our existence. You mentioned working out and people doing it to increase their reproductive value, even that is irrational, because if you want a six pack, you gotta have an on point diet. One could work out six days a week and never get abs, but the right diet and no gym would. Sometimes I feel MGTOW people are a bit like a fireman, see everything relating to fire disasters and potentialities. It's not that they are wrong, just that a lot of this can be skewed from looking at one angle. For example, many people have pet spiders, they learn how to feed and care for the spider and how to avoid getting bit and other nasties from it. But can still interact with it and even appreciate it for what it is. I feel women, and people in general (many men nowdays seem to be picking up on female behaviors), can be treated this way, not as how we wish, but as they are. That is true freedom, letting go of our childish notions of how things aught to be.
Its like you're stuck, being motivated to do something means you're living the illusion but its really hard to tell sometimes if you've actually embraced the void or if your mind is pulling you back into the illusion... just like that Christopher Nolan film, Memento.
I've understood the void since I was 19 and I'm still struggling to pull away from it and apply meaning to this. Thank you for this video. This is the first time I've heard someone else speak about it. I also called it the void as soon as I saw it around me. I feel like the power of belief is important. The fact that we are communicating and understanding at all is enough reason to give our full effort to reach our full potential in this life. Everything has been random up until now. This is as far away from chaos and pain as we have ever gotten. So it's our responsibility to take it further until we break though. The best we can do is keep spreading kindness and knowledge. Including the knowledge that this is still a bunch of random shapes and sounds. One of infinite random scenarios just happening. Cool as fuck though. At this point it's like I dip in and out of the matrix daily. Like that damn South Park episode now that I think about it.
Most excellent talk. I like to think of the Void as becoming a disconnected observer, void of emotion. The Book of Five Rings also describes the Void well in terms of dealing with death and focus before battle.
There really isn’t any girl I am fond of anymore, no matter how good she looks. I have completely lost fondness for women, to the point the last girl I was with had to beg me for sex.
very thoughtful and sober talk i have found myself in the void on numerous occasions. it has led to streams of consciousness that have shown connections between seemingly unrelated things thanks for the video
It's not unimpressive. Biological evolution is incredible, if not inevitable. It can be disappointing, as for example the nature of women. It's unfortunate and depressing that humans are essentially animals and that we very much behave like them. Free will is an illusion and discovering the cause of yours and others' behaviour is depressing.
I just can't stand the lies. I don't feel anger or hate for a bear protecting her cubs because at least she's not lying to me or to herself. But my rage will subside someday. I remember promising myself never to betray the atheist cause. My atheism has since fallen away. So has my admiration for science, egalitarianism, and progress. I still value truth and honesty, though my senses are not capable of sensing it. Even visceral reality is illusory. We do not see particles and waves; we see tone and color. Someday even honesty will cease to matter-- perhaps only the day my heart stops beating. On that day, I'll step into the void.
The Void you are thinking through reminds me of this: “Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous crossing, a dangerous wayfaring, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal: what is lovable in man is that he is an OVER-GOING and a DOWN-GOING. I love those that know not how to live except as down-goers, for they are the over-goers. I love the great despisers, because they are the great adorers, and arrows of longing for the other shore...." -from Zarathustra... I have, in my own experience and explorations of this, begun to equate "the void" with what Nietzsche was talking about there. The "void" is the Abyss" The "vision" I think, is the Rope. Then again, He seems to be suggesting Man here, as "the bridge and not a goal" is the "human doing" as such. I m not sure. I ll have to re-visit it some. I can't recall his take on "being and becoming" atm. I'm going to explore it further. Anyway, Nietzsche died of Syphillis. Ouch. He probably shared MGTOW insight with us.
I did not understand these concepts. I am now learning the void. :-/ I am slow on the uptake. I study these ideas over and over. I thank you, Stardusk. I am learning to be VERY distrustful of women.
The female is in mythology the nature. The Magna Mater, Mother Earth or Mutter Natur. Its opposite is the male society, the Fatherland. We tend to glorify nature. It is a innocent and pure being. But it also has no sense of guilt. Nature is absolutly cruel, but it is not evil. It just is. Similar can be said about women. A women doesn't has to perform a task, like creating a society, in order to be accepted by a man as a partner. All she has to do is being a women. And the man she rejects won't live on in his offspring. He is seperated out of the gen pool. The nature in form of a woman, gave the history of a man a cruel end, without a feeling of guilt. I thought today about Dionysus and Pan, and why Pan became the Satan in christianity. One power of Dionysus is, that he can make people go insane. He himself was one time made insane by Hera. What does it mean to be insane? It means, not to know where you are, and therefor not to know who you are. And he was wandering aimlessly through asia minor, until he met Kybele. Another mothergodess that symbols nature. And Kyble healed his madness. Pan, well, Pan wasn't even a real God, Pan was a spirit of nature. Anyway. All greek gods and godess had to make a journey to a garden, once in a while. And there they would find a tree with fruits, and those fruits would make them immortal, after they ate them. Pan secretly followed the Gods into the garden and ate from the fruits of the tree, which made him immortal too, and a god. Dionysus is the classical hero. Hera makes him insane, which means she rejects him. He gets lost. He makes his journey until he finds or understands Kybele, the Nature. Which makes him sane again. Pan is the man who lives on without effort. He sneaks into the garden and steals the fruit. He is a male spirit of nature, that exist without effort and the feeling of guilt. He is the female side in the male, that disturbs the order of the gods. Well, that's at least my explanation.
Funny what that woman tends to spout. I think she may have quite a good understanding of female nature. Yet, she claims to be a feminist. Kinda contradictory.
Karl Cocaine She's an old school feminist though. Her beliefs are more in line with first wave feminism, in that she believes in equal opportunity and the option of a career.
I won't claim to understand all "strains" of feminism in detail, I find it contradictory as I see feminism as the tendency to glorify the female, yet Paglia at least appears to be pretty critical of women. And I see that as a consequence of understanding women, because once you understand women you cannot help but be critical of them. I'll name one example: "If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts." Most feminists would deny statements like that as they're convinced that some mythical force named "patriarchy" has just always held women back from "showing their greatness". Now of course several decades post-feminism, we have yet to experience that supposed hidden "female genius". That said, there's much to be said about men as well. Sadly I have no hope for humanity in its current stage. Perhaps cybernetics, AI etc. will lead to a transhumanist utopia. If not, well, we might not be doomed, but we'll continue to be stuck in gynocentrism and all the other issues that our nether ape instincts tend to produce.
Nice observation although the pagan gods were just fallen angels with immortality. The One True God is the real thing. In the bible these fallen angels will return with Lucifer to deceive men into worshipping them again by doing counterfeit signs and wonders to disguise themselves as the various religious figures of the earth's past in one final push to be handed power over man again. Only those who have spiritual discernment will be able to avoid the trap they've set for everyone. Hint: look up the New Age movement and the goal to create a one world religion. (Put on your tin foil hat and study madame blavatsky )
Your voice is really soothing. The "suspension of disbelief" you speak of seems to resonate with the quote "A warrior must know first that his acts are useless, and yet, he must proceed as if he didn't know it. That's a shaman's controlled folly." From The Wheel of Time by Carlos Castenada. Very balanced, thank you Thinking-Ape.
I recognize this is an old video but I'll throw my 2 cents in the hat. I think the glamor of meaningless is a search of meaning in meaninglessness itself. There's a kind of self aggrandizement in being the hermit on the hill that's solved it all. I'm a monkey that sees my pixel skin, typical human behaviour and the like, and yet I'm here. The ride is brief. And whether I see or don't see, it won't last long. In truth, to understand, to be enlightened is to continue just as you have. No spiritual essence to that. No sissyphian heroism. Just a brief existence to do what you will with what you can. Don't be too validated by red pills or being an elder wizard of the mgtow community. It's just another illusion. The irony being, when you see this, it won't make a difference what you choose. Your time is yours, women or not. Truth or not. Maybe that's my delusion, I honestly can't tell. I want to say it's the difference in existential nihilism and cosmic nihilism.
I was angry somewhat bitter but now i have acceptance and detachment. I feel a sense of peace and freedom. I dont need a woman to live. At this point i dont want one either and thats sad because i believe women are suppose to be beautiful inside and out with empathy and virtue.
This suspension of disbelief regarding women is so easy to fall to far into and combined with the subsequent rude awakening its like living on a rollercoaster from Hell if you actually care. It's maddening. Seems like just to talk to them I have to care so little that it makes any real sentiment I'd express hallow and well, a lie. Not even a fun one because you want it to be true and it's just not. Base desire and experience seeking is not enough in and of itself for me to enjoy or even try to pretend to this degree. But nothing else seems to be there for us. They're just empty holes and even if they're filled they are still just as empty.
" When a woman tells you she loves you, she means it, ......in the moment. "
And without a strong sense of loyalty, empathy, and responsibility, she is free to change her mind in the next moment.
Exactly
Just went through all of this last month.
Women are the same as men
Honesty is a masculine concept
@@TheRealMan_EmperorHimself concept?
This is one of the most intelligent channels on youtube. I thank you for your content.
The lower life true
Big faqsssssss very rational & straight to the point his voice is pleasant too unlike most content makers
I think it was Nietzsche who say about love : "The triumph of the imagination over intelligence"
"You can only love women or understand women, you can't do both." I like it
Words to take to heart. It will save male lives. Females and their "addictive" FE... Seductive parasites; only good for reproduction and harvesting the deaths of men.
I'm on the fine line between those now. I don't fully understand them, and I don't fully love them. I guess time will tell which side I end up on
@@shivarampersaud6799 bro there is only 1 way for you to go as soon as you understand them full circle
You can not love them anymore because they have no loving characteristics they are empty chameleon. Its crazy im thankfull for the red pill knowledge after my break up from an LTR and now its a little bit more than 2 years ago and since meaby march 2023 ive found peace it was a long way but know i will never be capable of loving a woman again and i dont hate women im just mad i was disinformed
Keep your head up bro live goes on PEACE
@@shivarampersaud6799what fool this guy is. Lol yes love women go ahead simp it up
@@DamianBrownie5 years ago when I started to understand I underestimated this saying, but now I fully understand coz I’m on the same boat and there is no way out, you can never love women and understand them once you love them you don’t understand them at all you a blind
I think love is a foolish idea created for men, what a stupid idea
The first time you accidentally lift your suspension of disbelief is truly heartbreaking.
Liberating …
@@ma3stro681 It is liberating in the end.
I'm not mad at women. Just mad that I was misinformed.
Me too, I wasted so many years not knowing what the hell was going on with women and It's only in the last 5 years or so that I realised and had it confirmed due to previous experiences. I'm not too happyt that the world is like this but it is what it is.
@@davedogge2280 We have been indoctrinated for the benefit of a few men and the majority of women. But every doctrine must come to it's end.
If someone mistreats you it’s something wrong with them not you ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT! Women or not they got issues
Misinformed how?
As I remember my life all those things were mentioned in the kindergarten already and i was trying to fight back even then. later I somewhat fell for that propaganda.
In fact it is not even related to women in any way.
It is no different from muslim children who are brainwashed that they are supposed to brow uop themselves to bring infidels to hell
Lead down the wrong path for all of my early life:/
" When a woman tells you she loves you, she means it, ......in the moment. "
The overwhelming majority of women can't love and don't know what love is, but saying that they love you makes them (the women) feel good. Those are feel good words.
This should be taught in future schools. But future schools may have no kids in them. You are a great man, you save many brothers from pain and I wish you well weathering the Void.
School always sucked and hope it dies as an institution.
This is how I feel about vvomen: I know that if I saw a lady fall down and hurt herself, I would have an instinctive drive to run and help her because I can see she needs help. But now I fully understand that if I myself were to fall down and hurt myself, any nearby lady would not feel the same way, in fact, she would feel the opposite, she would look at me as an 'inferior' male since I cannot protect myself, and she would feel 'disgust'. I then begin to feel 'disgust' of females for this behavior that they have towards men. I don't hate vvomen, I am still very much attracted to their physical appearance, but I feel disgusted by the way they behave, and for that reason I do not seek out any long-term relationships with them anymore since I know that there is nothing in it for me other than to be hurt by the way they will eventually treat me.
Funny enough stardusk, the void is just the story of my life
@@midraggaI'm new to the channel. What is stardusk about? I see at at the beginning of every video.
@@matthew944 red pill. Use his wisdom to save yourself from the folly of modern women
So don't be inferior
Funny this other day I fell down, the weather was very strange it went from hot to cold my body went out of balance and I collapsed for few seconds when I wake up two females were passing by they didn’t even care or say anything,
One man at a further distance rushed in and ask are you okay, at first I thought you were just drunk but I see you waking up, and then he gave me water I told him I collapsed, he helped me
Women don’t care about anything that doesn’t service them and for that reason I don’t take a single women serious at all
I swear the depths of agony are paved with a spiral staircase named understanding.
The light of acceptance is the only way to find "yourself" out.
LSD?
@@theholyrussian lol
This is one of your best videos yet.
The only way to live happily in the void is to use the suspension of disbelief to your advantage to fulfil your emotional and biological needs. If you enter the void,take it easy gentlemen because the world turns grey from color very fast. Acceptance is the key.
Brilliant piece SD, hats off!
Thank you so much, I dint know why I wasn't feeling anything after the rage. But now I see that I am not alone in the vast void. Lack of motivation is real if you don't love anything more than your relationship. That's why you need to love something in your life. I love motorcycles and traveling, it saved me. So glad I found your channel.
Yes. I like this. Made me think. And it made me miss Barbarossa's content. You guys had a big impact in my life, a couple of years ago. And to this day, i can go back and listen to hours and hours of tought provoking content. Thank you, for still being around in the youtube-sphere man.
I do what I can.
The Void is also the literal translation of ‘Zen’. The way you describe how you see the world as pixels is how I have seen it for a while too. There is no motivation as you see behind the veil of all motives and motivation, which is ego, and ego is all about survival of the self. The only issue is whether your ego/identity has been programmed from within or from without.
Very few people reach this stage of understanding. Life, especially conscious life, is but an absurdity.
Revisiting in 2020, because it’s just that good. True wisdom is always valuable.
Thank you, again, Stardusk.
Same in 2023…as we descend further into madness. This society doesn’t deserve men. They deserve boys. That’s what they’re getting.
2024
@@serajalhorani838not yet my friend
@KooroshFarahani Happy new year
@@serajalhorani838 same to you
"You can either love women or you can understand them, but you can't do both." Reminds me of a statement from the Anime called "Bleach" "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding." This is very perceptive.
Understood.
Fuck we need a book from you. I could read your teachings and never get tired.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Can you imagine is Joe Rogan has him in his #POWERFULJRE Podcast? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😲😲
This is brilliant. You are touching upon many layered truths about the human experience. I think the over-arching theme is that it is better to know and perhaps be terrified than it is to be deceived and used and blamed.
You once told me I touched upon many things in a video. You are using the same compliment in multiple videos! HORNBUCKLE HYPERGAMY!
Self plagiarism, I guess. In truth, multiple people can present stimulating videos. But I wish I were equipped to devise an original compliment for each good I comment on.
Kevin Hornbuckle Being complimented is good enough, original or not. =P
One of the best ones you've ever done.
TheDoomProgram, perhaps you are correct.
From 18 to about my mid 30s, I always wanted to kill myself, because the pain of being separated from the world I once knew was so great. I'm close to 50 now and my isolated existence hasn't changed but I don't want to commit suicide anymore, not for a while now. The only thing that stopped me from ending this emptiness in the past was my belief in an after-life, but it was like being stuck in between two hells, one physical and one spiritual. Today, I live in this void you speak of, in the ruins and rubble of the past.
Feel the same
Same here. You're not alone.
This is a path I'm dealing with as we speak. Everything that men were told was a powerful but destructive lie. Women can do NO wrong. And yet, they've committed more heinous crimes than your average cliche broken man with nothing to lose. And then these women who are on Tiktok who complain about being single when they had every opportunity to become a wife and a mother and grandmother. It's honestly depressing.
This video should give men a better understanding of why women choose killers,bad boys and players over beta males. The woman either consciously or subconsciously know they don't have the ability to love.So the bad boy and player look desirable to her because they usually aren't looking for love either unlike the beta male who has the love bug.The beta male isn't desired by a lot of females because he expects something from females that they can't give and that's *love*. Only when she breaks down the bad boy or player into her illusion of love she will no longer won't him either because he's been conquered to her deception of love.Now some women will get frustrated by not being able to break a bad boy or player of this love she can't really feel,so she'll resort to breaking up with him.At some point most women will come to the beta male because she knows he's at standby,him and his delusions of love and she knows it and recent him for it.Only when she needs you for her on selfish desires will she finally choose the beta male . She'll give him a illusion of love he wants for resources because he sees something in women that's not there,and that's love.
Wow
Now this is the ThinkingApeTV I remember! 👍👍👍
Such videos can only be produced infrequently because they require time, reflection, experience and patience.
Thinking-Ape For sure. It was worth the wait. And will always be worth the wait for all of your future MGTOW videos, my internet friend. You helped wake me up, like Morpheus to Neo. And now I'm Morpheus the Black Neo! Videos like this are what are the most enlightening to the blue pill guys like I used to be. And also very inspirational. 🖖
@Holographic Nonsense. SD is 39 years old. He's already experienced a life-times worth with respects to women, work-life balance, gradual observational acquisition of red pill knowledge, etc. How many times must a man hit his head on a wall before learning to wear a helmet? He strikes me as someone who is reasonably content with his life. I wish I could achieve such a level of homeostasis. I am currently at the point that he was over a decade ago, working all the time and wishing I had more free time. I hope to save enough money so that I can work part time and have more free time to enjoy my hobbies as well as ponder on deeper Mgtow related topics. I currently do not have that luxury.
The Holographic Sentience lifestyle is retiring to one's bedroom to post antagonistic comments on MGTOW videos for years as though it has some correlation with mentally healthy behavior.
***** No I just wonder what your intent is? What is it that you hope to accomplish?
Has anyone ever felt that inner turmoil in your soul yearning for complete unity with a woman while knowing that in reality women use that desire to their advantage and your ultimate detriment? The realisation that that state is in fact a fantasy that will never be fulfilled? That the desire you've held since your youth, and that constitutes part of the core of your existence is in fact a lie? How do you just walk away from that? Any experiences?
God.
Get a passport and travel.
A curse it is, and what a blessing that we have you Stardusk.
I don't have the rage, but I certainly still have the post red pill malaise. Your video on that was particularly hard hitting for me personally because it made me realise what I was going through. I don't so much feel betrayal exclusively by women but by the society we live in. When I look at what's wrong I can help blaming everyone and everything. It's just like the whole fucking world is messed up and increasingly I crave isolation to just be away from it. If I'm honest I don't think I will ever get over the post red pill depression. The lack of motivation still hasn't subsided and I just care less and less.
I can only imagine spending my life with a woman if that woman was like GWW or Alison Tieman - one of us who is conscious of these things. Anything else and I would just be living a lie, living in silence being dishonest to myself and really no woman is worth going through that.
The only thing that can make me happy is my freedom, to be able to go where I want, do what I want and be what I want. And I know this sounds awful but I can't help but look down upon women now. I just see them as less clever, less able, less impressive and above all incredibly weak. Yes I know it's wrong but I just can't connect with them now, they bore me senseless.
Your not missing out on much. It's better to be alone than be around someone or people who will belittle you eventually.
Ones own freedom creates near limitless options for him to pursue. The trick question is picking the first path and that in itself is entirely based on individual decision.
You don’t have to apologize for your feelings toward and perception of women. Especially since you are absolutely correct. There are absolutely unimpressive by and large to say the least
I never got the rage either, just a few tears at first... I guess I just always knew something was up, u can't say that for most guys
I swear you took the words right out of my mouth. Outside of sexual gratification, I have no desire to be around them.
@@jsmith3478 Even that dwindles with time...
Out of all the mgtow content I've watched and listened to none has spoken to me like this has. This particular video speaks volumes to me and finally helped me to understand what I'm going through during my red pill rage and for a while now I've been in the void. I called it the emotional black hole because I felt nothing and couldn't get out of it. I'm pleased I'm no the only one that feels like this. keep up the good work, your videos are immense and thank you for this enlightenment of understanding on this topic.
Excellent, this should be heard far and wide. You're right, when red-pilled all the way there is little space for rage as one sees things far too clinically... Indoctrination and biological determinism as opposed to betrayal. These lies always stem from a mystical sense of self, disconnected from reality.
Is the void so bad? One can still feel pleasure, contentment, excitement--and these feelings are less dependent on being shared with or validated by others. While we don't experience the same heady dopamine-highs (at least endogenously ;) of those in fantasy-land, we're also spared the extreme lows. Socially isolating to be sure, but even-keel has its appeal. Cheers buddy.
The thing is once you understand redpill and women you analyze all your interactions through a redpill lense which can keep you on gaurd. The hard thing I find is to pick and choose when you can allow yourself to be vulnerable to female nature to serve yourself and yet also to serve the female. The downside is you can never drop your gaurd when dealing with women. So you have to pre decide what you are willing to lose in order to have relations with women because you will have to sacrifice something.
Perfectly put; tough to choose the right moment to be used momentarily to get fun in the sack and move on.
@@heavymetal3256you mean before you get feelings right ?
You are sacrificing your very essence as a man, freedom.
@@Jaapst no I mean resources. More specifically time.
I'm not angry at women they are how they are, I'm angry at the time and energy I wasted chasing the lie! But now I know!
You are absolutely correct when it comes to the loss of motivation when regarding to the "void" stage.
Thanks Stardusk.
I'm only 25 and I understand women. I wish I didn't because it makes me feel quite depressed. I'm a romantic at heart and knowing I'll never meet a women who holds the same morals, ethics, and values as me hurts deeply. I thank God for the mgtow community, it helps me strengthen my heart knowing other men struggle with this and succeed in finding happiness without women.
13:39 So you're basically like Neo but in real life. Just ones and zeros everywhere. I swear, the Matrix is still the perfect analogy for MGTOW, albiet cheesy sometimes.
And the bugged cat it is just awalt.
Not surprised you might see him as Neo considering who you are 😋
OMG!
Next level work!
The way the topic is introduced,
the eloquence, the ability to make abstract concepts relatable!
Fantastic video! I am currently in the void that you speak of.. for me this void is a place of rest and introspection so it is serving a purpose for me at the moment.. so maybe it's not a void at all.. I was in red pill rage for years an now I'm completely spent.. totally drained of emotion towards women like yourself. Maybe the void forces us to finally stop running the race that we've been running our whole lives and truly look into ourselves and figure out what we want to do with our lives because we've been living for someone else for so long we don't know what we want out of life anymore.. your videos have changed my life..keep on going your own way guys!
Jeff Mcilroy True words brother. I in the same boat. The anger is subsiding, and I am slowly exploring new frontiers in my life. Slowly, surely and most importantly consciously, we will get there.
The Void shall be talked about in future MGTOW videos, henceforth.
Morpheus the Black Neo facts
But you merely adopted the void.
I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the bluepill until I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but blinding.
I was in the void for a brief moment. I don't ever wanna go back there.
My favourite video of all time!
"Through application and study." DING DING DING. That's what happened to me. Every once in a while I see posts from men asking how do they overcome sexual desire. How to defeat the fear of loneliness. They simply either lack the experience or the knowledge. Either in a strong enough amount will bring forth the freedom they seek.
I know the red-pill induced lack of motivation all too well. Great video! It resonates, even though I am married. People say knowledge is dangerous, but most people understand that in a totally different way.
Red Pill Germany I know you through your channel, my ques. to you: how is it being married and mgtow. I would assume all men are hurt in their last relation to become MGTOW.
Its amazing how similar reactions and subsequent experiences are for men that fully accept the bitter reality of human sexuality and gender relations. Anger and bitterness, then the eventual "well what next?". I am so thankful for some of the more cerebral and pragmatic content on here. Very comforting during those times where loneliness and longing decide to show face.
Stardusk,
I just wanted to say thank you.
The topics, particularly The Void, have been on my mind the past several months.
I was once a liberal and am now independent, I was once a Christian and am now an atheist, I was once in love and now no longer believe it is returned.
The slow receding of poetry in my life has not led to lethargy however. Yet that's besides the point.
Marvin Minsky once said "I'd like people to think of emotions as only occurring when you have nothing else left to think." He researched artificial intelligence at MIT. You might interested in some of his perspectives.
My point is this, poetry such as God or love is not fundamentally any measurable degree of understanding what is occurring right in front of you. So perhaps stretching Marvin Minsky's perspective we might say the void is having at least one thing to think whereas the poetry makes you ignorant and leaves you with nothing else left to think.
Thank you again for your work.
Man, I've been listening to you for years now, but this may be your best video yet.
Thank you!
I've been feeling very similar lately, searching for something to give it more meaning, yet it all ends up feeling thoroughly hollow ... I'll keep on searching ...
You are not in the void my Brother. You are fighting the void. You have empathy, more than you like to admit. Thats why you help us, people like me. People like us. Thank you Star Dusk...i hope one day to have a conversation with you .. if only you knew the good you have done in the world .. much love man... afterthought: after learning many truths it is easy to crawl in a hole...u chose to help us going down this path of pain and knowledge....I want you to always be around.
If you're in the void stop thinking; start doing. Walks are good, especially in nature. Cycling is good. Yoga is good. Weight training is good. Listening to music is good. But chose your own "doings." It is a simple choice, whatever the truth of our existence is, we can engage or sit still. For me, engaging is far better!
For what it's worth, I went MGTOW Monk in the mid 90's at 34 years old. I thought I was alone. I thought it was just my problem. This community has explained a lot to me. I can tell you that over the years my life has been a slow crescendo, always getting better.
Profound is the only word I have for this. Thank you.
Tough love from Stardusk. Hits home my friend. "live somewhere inbetween" resonates. One of the best videos on RUclips. Thank you.
Man, this is real good. Reminds me of a spenztnaz style video. Thank you.
Chinaski Wish he would upload more often though, his videos change how i look at my self and the world around me
Damn this is deep, but it all makes clear perfect sense. Listening to this is like getting a look at the structural framework of society. If only I could have had this understanding when I was younger.
I find myself in much the same situation as you, though I could never describe it as eloquently and completely as you have. Thank you for this video, it is much appreciated. The fact that I am only 22 makes my instance of this much stranger. I chose to pursue a degree in theoretical physics with the hope that in can be the solution to this conundrum.
Suffice it to say, I think I am in roughly the same place in the continuum you described as you are. Philosophy certainly helps clear a path for the constructing of a better or fuller self, in particular Nietzsche's idea of the Will to Power, as Marcus from Groundwork for the metaphysics of MGTOW explored it in his latest video - namely that striving for creative self-expression is what constitutes the state of being alive - of a turbulence of ideas, expressed better and better with each following instantiation. I don't think creative self-expression is a magical bridge that one could cross to leave the void, it is more of a quest to flip the void on its head and to try to formulate the inverse of it and to lead more and more of your thought to inhabit what I would term the "anti-void", which would be a place of turbulent and wild swings of mental energy, though structured i way that allows for it to affect the one's physiology positively and to be expressed in something more clear than gibberish to others.
As I have plunged into this rabbit's hole no more than 2 years ago and being young and inexperienced, my thoughts aren't as structured as yours, but I believe I'm gradually making progress in bringing structure to the void and I believe studying mathematics and physics has helped me immensely in that regard as it helps clear the mental fog and separate useless from useful thoughts. Still, making this "anti-void" a reality seems like a colossal project to me and I have zero clue whether it can actually be achieved.
Ah, too much of a rant.
TL;DR : Void:me 1:0 but math helps
You have some interest views on the issue, i am really curious if you had some level of success on this, as for me the void is until now, something sterile.
Yes, Nietzscheanism is the way forward. I realize now that this is a five year old comment, and perhaps you've grown more since you typed it, but I am 23 and arriving at the same conclusions that you did. I sort of already "knew" this stuff was the truth about two years ago, but now I'm coming to actually accept and internalize it. This so-called "void" is hitting hard, even though I see the way forward- the creation of the "anti-void" you mention, living dangerously, the ubermensch, etc. I suggest reading Bronze Age Mindset by Bronze Age Pervert if you haven't already- I think you would find it both entertaining and insightful.
This video reminds me of Albert Camus. The message of accepting reality with no illusions and accepting one's true nature. The veracity of one's thoughts. Insightful and articulate content. Thank you sir for your work 🙏
Your understanding is valuable as always, Stardusk.
Timeless fr ,this entire channel is really
...For when you stare long into the void.. you kinda want to keep staring into it.
I'm 28 and you're words resonate with me so much it scares me... Thank you for your help / work
I'm confused on some topics but you are a great teacher / eye opener thank you
Still one of the most poignant and intense. Mgtow videos ever.
Indeed
KM Hemmans The RUclipsr
I am at whatever 'stage' of understanding you call it where I've been in this void you describe, and while that was a dangerous place to be to begin with and still is, I have a sense that it is where I belong. I've accepted what reality is as well as I can with what limited knowledge and wisdom I possess, and it looks like the 'ones and zeroes' world was built for me even though I disengage from the illusions. 'Built' in a sense of waiting to be comprehended and experienced accurately, such as that no matter what I do, I can accept the outcome. I see the determinism of whatever comes in a fortuitous way. That in itself makes me feel alive, and when I don't feel such, all I have to do is remember all the memories that together constitute my life, all the stories and things I've learned. I don't think you really see it as a curse, nor do I.
I think I've ended up much like you and thus why I was drawn to your channel in the first place. I've never been in a romantic relationship (lucky me), but I've considered it several times just because I thought it might be an interesting experiment. But every time I've considered 'running that experiment' I realize there's no point because I've already seen what it is through others and have no interest in romance - I have a sense of being unfeeling, like you. And that gives me a certain serenity.
As for the concern of being motivated to do things... What we can do about that is to work for each other, men like ourselves, in our shared perspective. Let us draw strength and motivation from each other while still being individuals. Stay strong, my friend. You do us all a great service with your thoughtfulness, and I hope you'll never stop being who you are.
Needed this, the void idk what I was feeling the past year but yes that’s it. Not hatred, not nihilism, just being and accepting the reality. Thank you for the words you give it helps a lot.
Wow... I have been in love and loved the same by him for forty years. We had respect for each other...even when we diagreed on something. He died in my arms last year, and I couldn't stop telling him how much I loved and arored him. I hope you have this experience of love before you die...truly I do. Now I am alone but...at peace and grateful for the experience of protound wnd enduring love.😊
Rather live in the void than pretend the world isnt the way it is let others lie to themselves live is about finding something to strive towards thats truly worth while even if thats never found
One of your greatest videos ever. I feel like I've taken a trio back to 2013. And it feels good.
Truly I recognize you as one of the wisest on RUclips. Thank you for this video
3:21 "What is the sense of betrayal? Something is wrong with his mystic construct. It's not as mystical and fabulous and beautiful as he thought it was ..."
True words and they can be applied to a myriad of other mystical constructs such as patriotism, religion, education, and so forth.
One of your best works so far.
Thanks for your existence.
Love. A mans dream and a womans lie.
Feb16,2020 Greatly enjoyed the content, Im a married schzoid introvert and closet mgtow. The thing that helps some men in the void is the challenge or amusement of video games. For me its the challenges in the nature of living in the mountain backcountry. The solitude on the mountain, by the creek or tending a campfire. I still have to put time in as a spouse but I really understand the shallow, childish, unattractive qualities of female nature and accept it as pathetic at best. I can’t change her. They can’t help it. I’ve learned in the void its better to be a man - human ‘be’ing, living in the moment rather than a human do-ing. Understanding women is better than staying blue pilled. That’s like a prisoner that doesn’t know he’s also a slave.
6 years later and seen so many ytubes on the subject since, this is really good
If you understand PEOPLE you will not love them.
Exactly
Finding the proper balance between storm and void is a struggle I have become all too familiar with in recent years. The "narrative" under which I labored in my 20s has run its course, and I find myself encumbered more and more by basal urges I thought I had largely learned to suppress.
This conflict between instinct and reason threatens to condemn me to the void. To protect against irrational behavior, I find I overcompensate by relentlessly analyzing the behaviors of those around me (particularly women) to discern their motivations. As such I am everyday less able to see the forest for the trees. A thoughtful and well-reasoned contemplation on this strife is comforting to hear.
You should learn how to quiet your reason and with that your thoughts via meditation. Learn how to be in the moment and actually enjoy it. I'm certain you can do it - it is very similar to the trance-like state of reading a book, watching the environment while riding a bus/train etc. It sounds to me like Stardusk could use some of that as well, then again it would astonish me if he's never tried it. But what do I know, I'm just an unemployed bum at the moment haha.
Thank you for this video, some of the best advice I've received over the past few years, you've helped me better understand myself as Ive also been living (lost) in the void for a few years
feeling nothing is the best, it is so peaceful, so quite.
You make very good points on this video. I think your videos are some of the most insightful I've ever watched in the manosphere/red pill/black pill space. Very well done as always.
I’ve fallen into the void and getting out seems impossible after realizing everything for what it is.
never went through red pill rage. there was never a time i crossed a line and i went from blue pill to red pill, in my case it was a gradual, lifelong adjustment to red pill rather than a single definitive moment. in fact, as a kid before puberty, i sensed what the game was all about anyway, it was rather in plain sight. it was only in puberty when i actually could care about women did that recede somewhat. but because i was shy, it was into my twenties before i got any dating experience, so i was able to observe rationally what was going on before then. if anything, the movies and love songs brainwashed me into thinking that women were more charming, sophisticated and lovely than they actually were, every girl i met never matched up to those, they were all a disappointment- each subsequent girl that came along with dating experience further confirmed that something seemed off from what i was expecting. so i was more deflated i would say over time rather than a red pill rager.
This video speaks volumes. Regarding women and men's perseption of reality; I beleive I have gained more clarity.
Thank you.
Man that suspension of disbelief thing is too true. I have the same problem now I cant engage anymore I cant go back to the way things were I mean i still like sex but I can see the syntax programming and it makes me cold.
Exquisite breakdown of the male-female dynamic.
red-pill rage has basically been my de-facto state of being ever since I hit puberty.
Thanks to my Asperger (autism) I was never very susceptible to the mythical miasma of femininity.
I had always had a sort of 'problem' with understanding normies to begin with but when my hormones started kicking in and I started to become sexually attracted to and interested in women I was always puzzled at the weird relationship dynamic men vs women seemed to be in.
I've always felt uncomfortable and at certain points on the verge of rage and outburst at the inconsistencies and lack of logical consistency and congruity of human relationships, and in particular romantic relationships.
When I finally came across MGTOW and the red-pill movement it was more of an "ah, so THAT's how that works, good! now I have the answer to that particular social/biological dilemma I could never quite figure out."
I have had girlfriends, and I do hope to have more relations with women in the future... however armed with this knowledge I will be sure to apply a Patrice o'Neal esque approach to them armed with all of this knowledge that you (Stardusk) and the likes of Karen, tl;dr, TFM and others have provided me and will no longer get heartbroken and confused beyond belief when she eventually tells me she 'just doesn't love me anymore'.
From the bottom of my heart, you have my thanks.
While I do not feel as devoid of meaning as you might, I too view the world primarily as a bunch of pixels and mechanics.
I have an intense desire for understanding how and why everything works and is the way it is.
However, I do take joy from this. Seeing and understanding the way things work or seeing a particular conversation or incident play out exactly how I imagined it would in accordance to my understanding of the mechanics at play gives me a great sense of achievement and joy and this is basically the narrative I've adopted since a young age to cope with the fact that even if I wanted to just be 'an actor' in the videogame I found myself ill-equiped and adverse to doing so.
Some people see autism as a disability or a curse.
While I cannot speak for others and I certainly am glad that I've just got 'the assburgers' version of it and not the 'rainman' version of it, I am very much glad and proud to be the way I am.
I think what you said has broader application than just women, that is one of the things we have to let go of, our childish fantasies of the world, how we wish or want things to be, instead of how they are. Not just in respect to women, but nearly every facet of our existence. You mentioned working out and people doing it to increase their reproductive value, even that is irrational, because if you want a six pack, you gotta have an on point diet. One could work out six days a week and never get abs, but the right diet and no gym would. Sometimes I feel MGTOW people are a bit like a fireman, see everything relating to fire disasters and potentialities. It's not that they are wrong, just that a lot of this can be skewed from looking at one angle. For example, many people have pet spiders, they learn how to feed and care for the spider and how to avoid getting bit and other nasties from it. But can still interact with it and even appreciate it for what it is. I feel women, and people in general (many men nowdays seem to be picking up on female behaviors), can be treated this way, not as how we wish, but as they are. That is true freedom, letting go of our childish notions of how things aught to be.
Its like you're stuck, being motivated to do something means you're living the illusion but its really hard to tell sometimes if you've actually embraced the void or if your mind is pulling you back into the illusion... just like that Christopher Nolan film, Memento.
I've understood the void since I was 19 and I'm still struggling to pull away from it and apply meaning to this. Thank you for this video. This is the first time I've heard someone else speak about it. I also called it the void as soon as I saw it around me.
I feel like the power of belief is important. The fact that we are communicating and understanding at all is enough reason to give our full effort to reach our full potential in this life. Everything has been random up until now. This is as far away from chaos and pain as we have ever gotten. So it's our responsibility to take it further until we break though. The best we can do is keep spreading kindness and knowledge. Including the knowledge that this is still a bunch of random shapes and sounds. One of infinite random scenarios just happening. Cool as fuck though.
At this point it's like I dip in and out of the matrix daily. Like that damn South Park episode now that I think about it.
this maybe Sounds odd but if you were a movie you would be 2001 a space odessy
Holy shit! I thought my experience was unique. Thank you for posting.
Most excellent talk. I like to think of the Void as becoming a disconnected observer, void of emotion. The Book of Five Rings also describes the Void well in terms of dealing with death and focus before battle.
it's funny that you made this video. I found myself suspending my disbelief the entire time I talking to this girl I am fond of.
There really isn’t any girl I am fond of anymore, no matter how good she looks. I have completely lost fondness for women, to the point the last girl I was with had to beg me for sex.
very thoughtful and sober talk
i have found myself in the void on numerous occasions. it has led to streams of consciousness that have shown connections between
seemingly unrelated things
thanks for the video
I'm in the void. The mechanical nature of life is depressing. Still looking for an area of enjoyment in life.
Depressing, disappointing or unimpressive?
Im unsure between the three.
It's not unimpressive. Biological evolution is incredible, if not inevitable. It can be disappointing, as for example the nature of women.
It's unfortunate and depressing that humans are essentially animals and that we very much behave like them. Free will is an illusion and discovering the cause of yours and others' behaviour is depressing.
What makes you want to stand up and get a beer? The answer is your genetics and past events, neither of which you have any control over.
I just can't stand the lies. I don't feel anger or hate for a bear protecting her cubs because at least she's not lying to me or to herself. But my rage will subside someday. I remember promising myself never to betray the atheist cause. My atheism has since fallen away. So has my admiration for science, egalitarianism, and progress. I still value truth and honesty, though my senses are not capable of sensing it. Even visceral reality is illusory. We do not see particles and waves; we see tone and color. Someday even honesty will cease to matter-- perhaps only the day my heart stops beating. On that day, I'll step into the void.
This is absolutely spot on.
The Void you are thinking through reminds me of this: “Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman--a rope over an abyss.
A dangerous crossing, a dangerous wayfaring, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting.
What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal: what is lovable in man is that he is an OVER-GOING and a DOWN-GOING.
I love those that know not how to live except as down-goers, for they are the over-goers.
I love the great despisers, because they are the great adorers, and arrows of longing for the other shore...." -from Zarathustra...
I have, in my own experience and explorations of this, begun to equate "the void" with what Nietzsche was talking about there. The "void" is the Abyss" The "vision" I think, is the Rope. Then again, He seems to be suggesting Man here, as "the bridge and not a goal" is the "human doing" as such. I m not sure. I ll have to re-visit it some. I can't recall his take on "being and becoming" atm. I'm going to explore it further. Anyway, Nietzsche died of Syphillis. Ouch. He probably shared MGTOW insight with us.
"I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all" - Three Days Grace
I did not understand these concepts. I am now learning the void. :-/ I am slow on the uptake. I study these ideas over and over. I thank you, Stardusk. I am learning to be VERY distrustful of women.
The female is in mythology the nature. The Magna Mater, Mother Earth or Mutter Natur. Its opposite is the male society, the Fatherland.
We tend to glorify nature. It is a innocent and pure being. But it also has no sense of guilt. Nature is absolutly cruel, but it is not evil. It just is.
Similar can be said about women. A women doesn't has to perform a task, like creating a society, in order to be accepted by a man as a partner.
All she has to do is being a women. And the man she rejects won't live on in his offspring. He is seperated out of the gen pool. The nature in form of a woman, gave the history of a man a cruel end, without a feeling of guilt.
I thought today about Dionysus and Pan, and why Pan became the Satan in christianity.
One power of Dionysus is, that he can make people go insane. He himself was one time made insane by Hera. What does it mean to be insane? It means, not to know where you are, and therefor not to know who you are.
And he was wandering aimlessly through asia minor, until he met Kybele. Another mothergodess that symbols nature. And Kyble healed his madness.
Pan, well, Pan wasn't even a real God, Pan was a spirit of nature. Anyway. All greek gods and godess had to make a journey to a garden, once in a while. And there they would find a tree with fruits, and those fruits would make them immortal, after they ate them.
Pan secretly followed the Gods into the garden and ate from the fruits of the tree, which made him immortal too, and a god.
Dionysus is the classical hero. Hera makes him insane, which means she rejects him. He gets lost. He makes his journey until he finds or understands Kybele, the Nature. Which makes him sane again.
Pan is the man who lives on without effort. He sneaks into the garden and steals the fruit. He is a male spirit of nature, that exist without effort and the feeling of guilt.
He is the female side in the male, that disturbs the order of the gods.
Well, that's at least my explanation.
You may want to read "Sexual Personae", by Camille Paglia. She suggests something similar, comparing male/female to Apollonian/Dionysian.
Funny what that woman tends to spout. I think she may have quite a good understanding of female nature. Yet, she claims to be a feminist. Kinda contradictory.
Karl Cocaine She's an old school feminist though. Her beliefs are more in line with first wave feminism, in that she believes in equal opportunity and the option of a career.
I won't claim to understand all "strains" of feminism in detail, I find it contradictory as I see feminism as the tendency to glorify the female, yet Paglia at least appears to be pretty critical of women. And I see that as a consequence of understanding women, because once you understand women you cannot help but be critical of them.
I'll name one example: "If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts."
Most feminists would deny statements like that as they're convinced that some mythical force named "patriarchy" has just always held women back from "showing their greatness". Now of course several decades post-feminism, we have yet to experience that supposed hidden "female genius".
That said, there's much to be said about men as well. Sadly I have no hope for humanity in its current stage. Perhaps cybernetics, AI etc. will lead to a transhumanist utopia. If not, well, we might not be doomed, but we'll continue to be stuck in gynocentrism and all the other issues that our nether ape instincts tend to produce.
Nice observation although the pagan gods were just fallen angels with immortality. The One True God is the real thing. In the bible these fallen angels will return with Lucifer to deceive men into worshipping them again by doing counterfeit signs and wonders to disguise themselves as the various religious figures of the earth's past in one final push to be handed power over man again. Only those who have spiritual discernment will be able to avoid the trap they've set for everyone. Hint: look up the New Age movement and the goal to create a one world religion. (Put on your tin foil hat and study madame blavatsky )
Perfection! Is the only word that can define this vid :)
Your voice is really soothing.
The "suspension of disbelief" you speak of seems to resonate with the quote "A warrior must know first that his acts are useless, and yet, he must proceed as if he didn't know it. That's a shaman's controlled folly." From The Wheel of Time by Carlos Castenada.
Very balanced, thank you Thinking-Ape.
I recognize this is an old video but I'll throw my 2 cents in the hat.
I think the glamor of meaningless is a search of meaning in meaninglessness itself.
There's a kind of self aggrandizement in being the hermit on the hill that's solved it all.
I'm a monkey that sees my pixel skin, typical human behaviour and the like, and yet I'm here. The ride is brief. And whether I see or don't see, it won't last long. In truth, to understand, to be enlightened is to continue just as you have. No spiritual essence to that. No sissyphian heroism. Just a brief existence to do what you will with what you can.
Don't be too validated by red pills or being an elder wizard of the mgtow community. It's just another illusion. The irony being, when you see this, it won't make a difference what you choose. Your time is yours, women or not. Truth or not.
Maybe that's my delusion, I honestly can't tell. I want to say it's the difference in existential nihilism and cosmic nihilism.
Damn good writing. Skills kid, skills.
I was angry somewhat bitter but now i have acceptance and detachment. I feel a sense of peace and freedom. I dont need a woman to live. At this point i dont want one either and thats sad because i believe women are suppose to be beautiful inside and out with empathy and virtue.
Excellent video. Gave me a lot of clarity
This suspension of disbelief regarding women is so easy to fall to far into and combined with the subsequent rude awakening its like living on a rollercoaster from Hell if you actually care.
It's maddening. Seems like just to talk to them I have to care so little that it makes any real sentiment I'd express hallow and well, a lie. Not even a fun one because you want it to be true and it's just not. Base desire and experience seeking is not enough in and of itself for me to enjoy or even try to pretend to this degree. But nothing else seems to be there for us.
They're just empty holes and even if they're filled they are still just as empty.
Can't wait for a audiobook so I can listen for hours
Arguably one of the most enlightening mgtow videos on youtube