CANCELLED - Delta's Curious Boeing 787 Order...
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Delta once had an order for the Boeing 787; however, how they acquired the deal is a story in itself. The persistent desire to delay the order alongside a shifting strategy meant the 787 would never fly with the major U.S. carrier.
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Having worked in the industry in the 70’s and 80’s, I miss all the legacy carriers like TWA, Pan Am, Eastern, Northwest and others. Even a lot of the smaller carriers like Republic, Piedmont, Continental, PSA and Braniff to name a few.
Continental and Braniff both were legacy carriers too my friend they weren't smaller local service carriers like Piedmont or PSA or like Republic who was actually the product of 3 local service carriers coming together to make a larger airline no but Braniff and Continental both were trunk legacy carriers as well 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
PIEDMONT AIRLINES.!!! GREAT AIRLINE, unfortunately U.S. AIR flew it straight into the ground.!! SAD, INDEED.!!😥😥😥😉😉🤔
@@wilmaharvey4216 I always felt that Piedmont if they had to merge with somebody it should had been with the original Frontier Airlines 💯💯💯💯
Ironically, it was Northwest who helped light the fire for Deltas passion for Airbus aircraft...
One of the very first 787s on the assembly line was originally destined for NWA, it even had the tail painted red. It would not have been one of the first deliveries though, as it was slated for test flights before delivery. NWA had a training program and everything set up for the 787, and there are a few NWA 787 items that were made back then. I have a NWA 787 lanyard, for example.
Well thanks to the A330neo and the A350, it seems that Delta might stay away from the 787 for a while.
The A350s actually replaced the 777s, not stepped in for the 787s, but yeah Delta has gone all in with Airbus.
The only Boeing planes on Delta's orders now are for the 737 Max 10 - 100 of them. For that size aircraft is going to replace the older 737s in the fleet to prevent extensive retraining for that aircraft size if they moved to the smaller Airbus aircraft. Now they are essentially moving to the Airbus 220, 350, 330neo, and Boeing 737 Max 10 for their four sizes. They are phasing out the Boeing 717, 767s, older 737s, and 757s. In about 6 years we will probably only see the three Airbus models and assorted Boeing 737 models left.
I honestly think Delta has some inkling that there were problems at Boeing. They avoided the MAX and the 787, lest we forget was also grounded due to batteries catching on fire. These groundings cost AA and UA quite a bit of money that Delta was never subjected to. Planes only make money when they are flying.
IF you want to FLY, then DO NOT buy Boeing?
Airbus planes have had groundings, too; they just don't get the sensational coverage. And Delta DID order the 737 Max-10
Avoided the Max? What rock do you live under? Let me know I can go and deliver the news from 6 months ago to you. 🤣
@@poorweakcua6372 They made a tentative order that I don't think they ever intend on following through with. The plane hasn't even been approved to fly. I feel certain Delta will get out of it.
@@scpatl4now They haven’t intended to do so because of the controversy that ongoing with Boeing if it wasn’t for that those order would still be on the way in 2025.. It is currently delayed until 2027.
...Delta's choice to cancel the 787 order acquired from Northwest in 2016 was the correct move due to the fleet modernisation and consolidation programme they launched. The delivery schedule for the 787 had also slipped by several years due to production issues , Meanwhile the A-350 was already available. and was seen as a better fit for Delta's future needs. In switching tot the A-350 Delta was able to put the type into service in summer of 2017 while the first 787 would not have been delivered until 2020
Exactly. It made more sense for Northwest which was not investing in the A-350 but for Delta who was investing in that fleet, it did not. So the Boeing aircraft orders were all canceled and the Airbus orders were increased.
All airbus fleet is the way to go
Well - most of the airlines use both Airbus & Boeing. I would fly Boeing 757 / 767 / 777 and older 737 but I will never ever fly in a "MAX" .............and I will fly with all the planes made by Airbus for sure.
Look at WIzz Air with onlye Airbus. 1/3 of the planes grounded this summer dude to engine problems
@@PettersenLars That's Pratt & Whitney's problem not Airbus
@@lucasstdon9998 No, in the end this is the airlines problem (even if they get some compensation from P&W)
Delta is fed up with low Boeing quality.
I guess Airbus is a good choice
Ehh they ordered 100 max 10 though
not really the case. Money talks ...and all bets on hands that Delta is getting a good deal on the 737 MAX 10.
Great video
They should order a bunch of A350s.
They already have.duh
Thank you for sharing.😊
Ed knows that bringing his fleet to mostly one manufacturer is in the company’s best interest.
Really hate that they cancelled it. Would’ve been amazing to see the 787 replace Deltas aging fleet of 767’s
Delta has only one fleet strategy; cheaper is better. The 787 order was cancelled because they tried to renegotiate the Northwest deal and the aircraft was way too popular for Boeing to go as low as Delta wanted.
Airbus badly wanted to get into the US market, and as such made Delta such massive deals that it made sense for them to switch.
This is the same reason why Delta ordered the Max 10. They were finally able to get a better deal from Boeing because of all the troubles the aircraft was having, and they had no interest in the A320, which is becoming more and more unpopular in favor of the A321.
Well I can see your pride coming through here, but it isn't that at all. All Airlines choice is based on their market or their perceived future market.
plus there might be a little nervousness about the Boeing management.
Airbus make deals yes, but the 787 is already cheaper than the A350. So unless Airbus gave them away, I doubt that. As for the A320 and the A321, Airbus upgraded the A320 to the A321 and added more economical engines-hence Neo. It would be the obvious choice to have the A321.
@@johnchristmas7522That's not correct. First of all, this deal was cancelled in 2014, even though the video doesn't mention it. Delta developed a strategy for the future to go with the cheapest aircraft, period. The A330 neo was a better deal, and so was the A350 in the beginning. Airbus needed to enter the American market, and American Airlines got rid of the A330 from US Airways, but opted for the 787. Delta was made a deal they couldn't refuse.
@@johnchristmas7522You're making arguments from an obvious lack of knowledge. If that's your argument for the A321, which by the way, was their replacement for the 757 since Boeing has nothing to compete, what's the excuse for the Max 10 order? Simple answer, discounts...big ones
Also, the 787 was a replacement for the A330, not the A350. The A350 was a replacement for the 777, you know, for fleet commonality.
I don't think Delta ever intends to fly the MAX 10. I think they placed an order for political reasons only. The plane hasn't even been certified yet so any order is at least a decade away.
Do one on American's A350 cancellation. That's pretty curious as well.
As such, it's not only John Barnett who's never going to fly a 787.
May he fly with better company now.
Airbus A330NEO was much cheaper than B787 and Delta was content operating older 757 planes. Of course, the conclusion could be different with current Delta fleet situation. Anyway, Delta was smart and avoided many Boeing problems in recent years.
Not sure when Boeing can deliver the 100 MAX10’s to Delta which has many older 737s still operating. It is natural for these pilots to transition to MAX10 with minimum training.
Delta has a much higher concentration of airbus in the fleet than AA and United. This cuts down training costs.
I do think that Delta should had kept the 787-8 orders just to replace the 767-300ER's i think that would had been the perfect replacement aircrafts for the 767-300ER's in Delta's fleet the 787-8s 💯💯💯💯💯
The 787 has longer wingspan which makes it unable to fit many gates that could accommodate a 767 so it wouldn’t have been a perfect replacement. Delta is still looking for something to replace their 767 though (middle of market jet)
@@worldlinerai that's BS because AA replaced their 767s with the 787s and they haven't had any issues accommodating them into old 767 parking areas 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️💯💯💯💯💯💯
Great Video And Info
Delta was pissed off with Boeing's underhanded handling of the A220 fiasco. Boeing standing in the way of Delta's purchase of the A220 through using the Federal government trade commission showed that Boeing was more concerned with its own profitability than with Delta's needs.
with Delta's needs for what exactly? Do you think Delta is fueled by altruism? Delta's “needs” are for profit. And this shift away from Boeing happened long before the A220
That! That is really a big part of the reluctance to do business with Boeing. You are correct.
The Boeing-Bombardier fiasco wreaked havoc in Delta's plans.
Boeing is a fantastic company btw... But run by short sighted idiots IMHO the last 10 years
Was this reported somewhere?
All Bus? Yet Delta relies heavily on the 75 and 76!
Best flying airplane in the sky is 75/767. Hands Down!!!!!!
Delta is looking to retire those as most of them are reaching past 30 years of age… they haven’t found the ideal replacement for those though
Thanks dj!!
Delta not playing games. They pick the winning product with least defects. A350.
theres a reason why you rarely hear any negativity about Airbus...and it has nothing to do with them being "best" because right now Airbus is going through quite few issues too
theres a reason why you rarely hear any negativity about Airbus...and it has nothing to do with them being "best" because right now Airbus is going through quite few issues too
Having a single manufacturer's planes make up your fleet is an outmoded business model. Once effective, not so much anymore, thank you Boeing. In today's market and unavailabilities it is no longer prudent to put all your eggs in one basket. The cost of years of backlogs, lost revenue and nondeliveries more than makes up for a larger parts inventory and additional training for personnel. Factoring in that they may not be available for years only argues that diversification is the better strategy allowing flexibility in growing your fleet now and future. It would also arguably give more bargaining power when purchasing as you are not locked in by your dependence on one manufacturer. It also is insurance against one of the giants failing completely while you hold a fleet from them, something Boeing is heading toward at this time. There is also the grounding of substandard airplanes from one manufacturer. We saw this in United and Alaska having to ground their 737s. United with a mixed fleet and spare aircraft available was hurt much less than Alaska which has an all Boeing fleet predominantly of the 737 variant. They had to shut down routes and lost huge revenue as a result. As with so many other business areas diversity insures stability.
Delta made the right decision by going with the A350 IMO
787 is most efficient,fuel,operating cost than any plane on its category,besides fly smoothly due to sir blending truly flexible wing,
Most gorgeous wings from all the fleet.
The A330NEO is even more efficient on shorter routes than the 787, on longer routes it is the 787. Airbus has been tweaking the A330NEO since years pumping 150 million every year. It is now a formidable platform offering same level of quiteness, efficiency, cockpit comonality and much more. The 787 wing is not better just because it is more flexible, it is a different approach. The 787 has a much heavier wingload than Airbus planes which has both positives and negatives flight regime.
Delta is just Boeing in airline form....cheap and profit at all costs. You'd think they would love each other! Personally, I miss Northwest and Continental, but Western most of all.
I can't understand with all these problem boeing had...all happen in us
I think they are happy with using A330s & A350s, so no 787.
Delta Is obsessed with Airbus. Lufthansa also. Even if Lufthansa has 787 from Frankfurt hub, it's not my favourite 787 airline. It's my third most favourite A350 operator after Singapore Airlines (1st) and Qatar Airways(2nd).
Northwest Airlines was not ABSORBED by Delta!
What happened then?
@@nisomer in both Companies attempt to stay competitive with both American and United as both NWA and DAL had emerged from their individual Corporate bankruptcies, the Boards of both Companies reached an agreement to create a formidable and new Corporate strategy whereby creating the largest Airline at the time in respect to Worldwide route structure and Corporate Loyalty Program! Of the two individual carriers, NWA had a more secure financial portfolio after exiting bankruptcy, however DAL had a much larger name recognition in the industry. Consequently, because of the name and brand identity it was decided to keep the name Delta Air Lines, this was presented to the workforce as a New Corporate Merger! I retired from the new Delta Air Lines in August 2020 just a month shy of 45 years!
@@kealapuaonetamureamoreno8301 I live in MSP and miss NWA :(
@kealapuaonetamureamoreno8301 , this was very similarly how the Continental and United Merger transpired. Continental was solvent and profitable with a very good product. United emerged from bankruptcy, but weakened financially. They saw Continental's substantial transatlantic network as a way to save the United long-term. And they were correct. I miss Continental.
Actually, it was. Northwest has ceased to exist, with Delta being the remaining carrier. Just like an amoeba NW was absorbed and simply ceased to exist. :D lol
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My whole opinion the fact that Boeing is unable to full fill the order of 737-10 max I am pretty much guarantee that DL CEO negotiation included a fine print where in this matter Boeing will be obligated to full fill the capacity with a New airplane type “797” or in fact pick up un filled slots with 787 -8 and -9 to replace the aging 767-300 , just in 2024 there will be a bunch of retirement aircraft from DL due to age. Just simple way of dealing and do business.
Good strategy for delta seeing more airbus orders than boeing
Is 20 year old aviation news really worth reporting about ?.
Evidently so..!!
Good info, but the commentary is so much longer than it needs to be - too many unnecessary words
Boeing is just one accident away from being a pariah.
Sadly, it's going to take a fatal crash with US citizens and a US crew flying over the US for the FAA and to get the royal kicking it's needed and for Boeing to be fully and finally held to account, past and present. The future, well, that'll be up to them to choose.
I don’t book flights on Boeing aircraft.
Good for you.
good decision to harmonise their fleet, Airbus was the best choice and time has proven it!
I couldn’t be happier that Boing is losing yet another order. It is a murderous company.
Delta Airlines are delighted with their Airbus fleer. Not like United or Alaska Airlines with Boeing...
The Delta CEO is an Airbus fanboy thumbing his nose at American workers, you know his customer base.
Boeing is just shieet
Delta CEO knows to stay away from the shitshow which Boeing has become and good for him. On a serious note he picked up the better aircraft without any of the american patriotism, while most likely getting a pretty sweet deal. And hey, they do have the -10 on order, if Boeing is ever able to get that one on the market 😉
Airbus has a plant in Mobile, AL, employing US workers
Yes, he should support an American company that doesn't give a damn about their customers, American or not. Unless Delta doesn't employ american workers too...
He surely should be a fanboy of a company that their products keep getting grounded on the basis of lies and incompetent manufacturing. That's the way to go.
Americans, together to oblivion...
Patriotism is ensuring safety of Americans who take those planes , can’t be based on business relationship with an American company. This is so basic.😂😂
Airbus makes the better airplane. So why stick with Boeing?
With the A330 and A350, AND A321 series Delta has a shot at introducing Multi Fleet Licencing for its pilots. The cockpit main functionalities (ie. displays, lay-out, etc) as well as flying the 3 plane families are virtually identical. Pilot Certification at Delta could in theory entail being licenced to fly all Delta Airbus planes: A321, A330, A350. The level of flexibility this provides will save Delta Millions per Airbus airplane. Boeing's fleet commonaility is much more limited. Only 737s shares commonality with other/newer 737s. And the 787 and 777X share similar cockpits and flight characteristics...
I will fly with Delta again - because they use mostly AIRBUS now ♥
kind of a 'Shark Tank' approach to the business. Good on ya DA