@MentourPilot there is a smart sugestion below on the comments about a better way to rate pilots than hours flown. seems a nice idea and you have what it takes to make something worty. let me know if you need help with the software part..
The tower watch sup deserves a medal. Coordinating a police helicopter to inspect the damage to the aircraft is the most big brain ATC move I've ever heard. Knowing the extent of the damage was critical for the crew's decision making and not only is it insane that they had the SA to know the cameras on the helicopter could get an eye on, it's impressive that he successfully vectored an intercept between a slow moving helicopter and a 737 at low altitude in the weather. Hats off to that watch sup.
We were in a Hughes 500 parallel to a landing jet aimed for our ramp and we got wrapped up in watching the airliner so that we recognized we were alive having missed a tall beautiful tree at the edge of our hangar. Keith Mackey was the helicopter pilot and also an airliner pilot. It was his helicopter. It is at least 3 decades in the past.
This one was really technical and I just skipped a lot, but listened to the end. Wow! What a first flight as a Captain! But - It’s good to hear that a Boeing held together so well and he held it together, too :) Lately Boeing really has been having so many problems - not so good to hear for us just plain old passengers :) 🌷🌱
This one was really technical and I just skipped a lot, but listened to the end. Wow! What a first flight as a Captain! But - It’s good to hear that a Boeing held together so well and he held it together, too :) Lately Boeing really has been having so many problems - not so good to hear for us just plain old passengers :) 🌷🌱
It’s absolutely insane that that aircraft was able to continue flying after taking such a beating, and even crazier that the landing was so good even after all of that. A true testament to the many, many layers of redundancy in aviation
@@Colaholiker Probably they had the good luck, too, that they already had initiated the Go-Around-Mode before the Aircraft touched down and that all gears were down, so that the touched the ground only for a few seconds before becoming airborne again and that the gears absorbed most of the force - I must think to PIA flight 8303, where the engines were scrapped at a baulked landing over the runway before the Aircraft became airborne again. So, yes, it was the sturdiness of the aircraft which solved this situation, but also good luck and not at least proper actions of the Pilots, who were able to save the flight.
@@NicolaW72"proper actions of the pilots?" The proper action, as pointed out in the report and the video, would have been to initiate a go around as soon as autopilot disconnected. We all make mistakes and hopefully i never make one like this. They did a good job AFTER the crash and go, I'll give them that. And i agree that fatigue was definitely a factor. I wonder what their previous few days schedule looked like?
@@MentourPilotDid the report mention the pilots's schedule for the days preceding this incident? A 10 hour all night duty day is rough on its own, but i wonder if they were able to get adequate rest prior to operating.
Good job reviewing this. I was the FO on the aircraft that saw the landing gear leg as we taxied out in relatively thick fog still. It was quite surreal!
As a causal factor not investigated or listed, I would add the company decision making system / company night dispatcher: you don`t mess with the pilots of a plane carrying pyrotechniques, at night, on bad weather, at the end of a long shift, after a diversion and on low fuel (facts and infos the company would have access to)! Think carefully about your decision, and send it in time! Don't change your decision in the last minute, don`t put pressure on ATC to deliver the message even at a late stage of a CAT 3 approach, don`t put unnecessary pressure on the pilots!
They most probably did not know the exact state of the approach and it´s very likely they wanted to give the pilots the better weather at Liverpool - which they just found out prior to their call was easily possible. Probably their standard diversion is east midlands, so that was immediatly said - then the operator saw the weather, saw that Liverpool is available, maybe did some maths to check if its fine and then wanted to give them Liverpool. To rely that information via the ATC... Maybe not perfect, but from my point the ATC should´ve not informed the crew, because he knew exactly where they are. In the end just telling them: This information was to late as they were already almost at the runway. Regardless of that... A small communication problem should not lead to a damaged aircraft at all. The Captain pushed the wrong button, which is human to do, but was unable to correct his mistake by simply going around as he was unstabilized at a critical point of landing. You always enter an approach with the mindset of: Landing is an option. Go around is default. (Except of course some other emergency forces you to land first try). This is what we all should learn about this
I experienced something similar about 25 years ago when we recieved a secal chime during the late stages of a CAT3 in a 737-300 on approach to LHR. I called 'disregard' and we continued to land. After landing my mobile phone showed multiple calls from our flight operations. They had wanted us to divert to EMA. It's interesting to have seen what could have transpired if we'd allowed it to distract us. Fortunately for us I was more experienced and LHR was where our cars were parked!
I'm really glad they landed safely but I chuckle a little at the idea of them landing in Leslie Nielsen movie fashion and somebody just yelling "nothing to see here folks" with their fireworks and dry ice cargo.
I swear the visual quality of each of these videos has been steadily increasing It amazes me how well you can represent each story 3D-wise and actually have it look good
@@angel-cu7pt Bro you didnt even watch the comment I commented on how the quality has been increasing every video. Does that really necessitate such negativity?
The controller is running Windows XP with the default skin lol 😂 i wonder if those kind of critical computer things get updated to the era-accurate software or were they in reality still running on NT 4.5 😂
These are the videos i love the most - yes, things go horribly wrong, but it still ends well and you see some great airmanship in the process. The fact the landing was on the centerline, with a broken landing gear and literally landing on the engine cowling instead is nothing short of a flex by the pilot flying.
Accidents typically occur as a result of a series of incidents that, when combined, reach a threshold and lead to a predictable tragedy or "Comedy of Errors" (an idiom from a Shakespearean play). The tension arising from the semi-predictable nature of these events plays a significant role in why they are so fascinating.
I laughed out loud at the “and they had pyrotechnics on board” part If i was trying to write a disaster comedy movie that’s the kind of stuff i’d write
That made me laugh too for the same reason! Then i remembered when i was a chemist, i was sometimes irritated when a supplier would not ship certain chemicals by air due to safety considerations. I don't think any chemical i tried to ship by air and couldn't were as dangerous as pyrotechnics.
@@stephenj4937 Is that true? If their training records were otherwise good, it seems like that'd be overly punitive for an accident with several contributing factors.
@@mayfly552 Back in the day, I remember seeing Belgian Cockpit Association, recruiting posters with scenes of the Birmingham crash. So, that made me suspect the treatment of the crew was brutal.
As a layperson, it’s really weird to see an accident in which the design and build quality of a Boeing 737 helped mitigate the accident instead of causing it.
I have no genuine interest in aviation (I work in media) but your videos are so educational and full of passion that it allows me to appreciate the skill and expertise pilots and aviation crews possess. Thank you for that.
In fact in this case the Company crashed its Aircraft with the unvoluntary assistance of the Pilots. And yes, the Pilots made mistakes on approach to EMA, but finally they saved the flight and nobody was hurt - and that was a huge merit and far beyond selfunderstanding. Thank you very much for picking up this nearly unknown event!🙂👍
Did/could the company guy have known the position of the aircraft in its landing process? ATC who relayed message seems more like the weakest link , as the report appears to have indicated.
@@whazzat8015 Good question if they had at that time the technology to know exactly where their Aircraft was. Today it would be no doubt: they know it. And indeed: The ATC was the "weak link" here - at least he should have known that it is not a good idea to transmit company orders to an aircraft on final approach.
TNT fired these pilots after this incident. Stupid corporate politics, and a guy wanting to save his own behind I'm betting. I hope they managed to join another airline, with a strong union.
@@hayleyxyz I know nothing what became out of the Pilots after this Accident. After this experience they would have been much better Pilots because being involved in something like that is a huge Lesson to Learn. More than every Simulator Session.
What a fast developing mess! I fully expected a disaster, not a fantastic landing. Its so gratifying to have a happy ending. This is one of your best yet.
this really shows the potential damage a poorly timed interruption can cause. it's heartening to hear they were able to recover and get down safely at the end.
Indeed, and I sometimes fumble my buttons in similar ways when playing computer games. I don't think I'd be cut out to be a pilot -- at least not one hauling more than my own rear end. 🙂
@@AaronOfMpls The pilots were hauling just their own rear ends and the cargo. If the cargo didn't contain pyrotechnics and dry ice, it would've been okay even for you.
Agreed. This was probably the most relatable accident so far. An interruption at a critical moment can absolutely destroy my focus and situational awareness, especially if I'm thrust into a chaotic situation immediately afterward.
I can only imagine how the taxiing aircraft felt. "Uhh is that a landing gear over there in that grass!?" "Yea, wtf is that thing doing there? Let's call up the tower"
I was laughing out loud when I imagined seeing the landing gear sticking out of the grass and having absolutely no clue about what happened other than something had to be really wrong. 😂 Glad they both survived though.
I wish we had the ATC recording of this. Imagine a pilot asking, in a typical polite British fashion: sir, I don't want to cause trouble, but I think something fell off...
Vasaviaton has videos where pilots report a different plane dropping a tyre, they sound pretty indifferent. There was also at some point a 777 losing an entire wheel bogey.
In the end it was less the missing experience of the pilot in this situation, rather than the controller calling them at the worst possible moment. And a first officer who was unsure of what to do. Glad it worked out quite harmless for them.
Yes, and that is what we must preach the pilots: If you are unsure, go around. Landing is an option which you take if all is fine. If something is odd, don´t try to. I know it´s easier said then done but it is the important lesson regarding this accident.
There ought to be a special procedure for ATC to relay company messages, something like: “: I have a non-standard operational message from your company. Are you ready to receive?” The way ATC transmitted this completely out-of-context, non-standard, complicated request at a critical stage of flight, throwing around phrases like “land here” and “go around”, made the crew doubt if they even had a landing clearance. This was pretty far beyond “inappropriate” in my book.
I've started adopting Aviate - Navigate - Communicate as a kind of mantra for handling unexpected stress in general. It really helps manage emotions and not get distracted.
That's actually a really good idea, or at least something similar with the same idea of "deal with the immediate situation first, plan where you're going after, and communicate it".
Great video! often wondered what the story was with this aircraft. My company bought the flightdeck from this 73 and converted it into a simulator, now in use in Queensland Australia, still painted orange.
To what I readed the Aircraft was sitting until May of 2007 at Birmingham Airport, than it was dismantled and transported via road to Lasham, where its parts were recycled. One ended up in Queensland. The Aircraft never flew again.
Great example of a bunch of things: 1. Fatigue from high workload. 2. Fixation under stress 3. Reversion under stress I think the procedure breakdowns can be understood almost entirely in those terms, but I think the signs of stress are stronger than the signs of fatigue. Hitting the wrong switch, as you mention, is a classic stress-related reversion error. And the first officer probably had a fixation with landing and hence opted to restabilize the approach due to the stress as well. Fatigue and stress interact in complex ways. And my experience is that while fatigue impairs judgment, stress magnifies that impairment significantly.
I love your show, Mentour Pilot. I fly only about twice a year, across Canada from the west coast, and on to Ireland. I always seem to binge on these videos right before my flight. Oddly, it doesn't scare me. I know absolutely nothing about - well, anything mechanical, really, beyond a wheel - but you explain things so clearly I can follow your descriptions enough so that I'm captivated by the story. I see all of your videos and you do a great service bridging the gap between lay people and those in the industry. Thank you so much!
real hero of the story is the plane just shrugging off getting slammed into the ground and forced to eat dirt after having its leg torn off, just going eh its but a flesh wound, continuing on flying. it deserves a medal for immortality or something
Tis But A Scratch. Its a true testament to how much of a tank the older 737's were built. To take a rough landing at that sync rate, with full thrust and to rub along the ground. Its a wonder the engine didnt come off or a fuel leak started.
Fatigue is such a so crucial topic in aviation, yet management in airlines worldwide still push the limit further and further... I've had the chance to have this particular captain as a sim instructor many years later, one of the sharpest pilots I've ever met.
I'm pleased to hear he continued to work in the industry. His lesson is one worth sharing with the next generation of pilots. In the end he showed his resilience, capacity to recover and to perform a very difficult landing. Too many people are so quick to judge and execute others in this life. ATC's intentions were good but that was a badly timed message.
I'm glad to hear you are moving on to be the voice for aviation sanity. I know you'll make an impact. Keep up the good work looking forward to more of your excellent documentaries on your chosen profession.
Complaining about the Weather is a national pastime here in the UK. If it is sunny, it is too hot. If it is raining, too wet, and if it is snowing, the country is shut down.
WOW! That tower controller should win a bad timing award. This was just really unfortunate and I can see how something similar can happen to anyone in any circumstance.
I like how the weather report was shown and explained. If someone gave me thet report and expected to understand what it was telling me, I'd be confused. I likely wouldn't even know it was a weather report, unless it said so somewhere on it. I know this was a small portion of the video but it adds to the quality of detail covered in these videos. I've learned a lot from watching this channel.
Learning to read Meteorological Actual Reports (METARs) and Terminal Airfield Forecasts (TAFs) is something that pilots start learning relatively early in their training, often within the first few hours of starting training. After a while, the amazing human brain starts to translate the codes as you read them!
44:44 Thank goodness a safety minded individual put two traffic cones in front of the aircraft. Without those cones I’m not sure anyone would have noticed the 737 hiding on the runway.
They do it with big brightly coloured trains and equipment too. It’s more about exclusion zones and isolation. It means don’t approach or board without authority.
This incident was not due to a mechanical error, but neither was it really due to human error-the pilots did everything as well as could be reasonably expected (although they could have done better). The kind of incident that can’t be avoided, so the fact that everything worked out in the end is very good.
I'm imagining the guys in East Midlands. The sun comes up, the fog lifts, and they see this long deep furrow in the grass next to the runway, a stray set of torn up landing gear, but there is no plane anywhere in sight.
I'm not sure which is more impressive: the pilots' ability to bring the plane down safely after such a dramatic event, or the ability of the producer of this video to make the IEXG 737-300 in X-Plane look and work so well!
It is eleven years since I last flew and airliner (A320) and six years before that when I last flew a 737, but even at that distance I could feel the pressure building up in me when they were first cleared down to two thousand feet. A Cat 3 landing is not the easy unstressed experience that I am sure a lot of people think it is. It is like the time from pressing the TOGA button on take off to getting to five hundred feet; you are on edge for that failure that will require very quick and non-reversable decisions to be made. It also reminded me of a night many years before in a Navajo when I diverted from Luton to East Midlands. By the time I had walked to the briefing room not only had EMAs weather deteriorated way below limits, but every other airfield within range was giving RVR 300 Mts, sky obscured. In other words if I had been five minutes later I would have had nowhere to land. Night freight flying is not an easy job. Now I hear the forecast of fog and go to bed with a smile. Retirement is great.
Since writing the above I have had a good night's sleep and some thought. A Cat 3 Autoland is something unique in flying. It is the only time when a pilot gives control totally to the avionics with no chance of a human detecting a fault. From the beginning of the flare there is no reasonable way to monitor the aircraft; you are only doing the Autoland because all visual clues are either missing or so confusing that to intervene would be madness. There is for that brief period of time nothing to tell you if all is well except for three computers checking each other. For the approach you have the ILS display, the DME and the radio altimeter as independent sources of information, but once in the flare all the information is being generated within the avionics. You can look out of the windscreen, but will not see enough for you to check all is well with the flare (the A320 does a "no decision height" automatic landing) and the much talked about "ten to the minus nine" chance of a catastrophic equipment failure must be getting close. Have we exceeded ten million autolands yet? Of course, once safely on the ground it has all been routine, normal and safe, but I won't deny the build up of tension in the last part of the approach. Adding a concern about how the day (night?) will continue after your diversion and that if you go around your second attempt will be without enough fuel to go anywhere else. My answer was to take massive amounts of fuel on those nights.
I envy you. Congratulations. Still have 9 years to go here. Might retire early but we'll see. I like the money part of it, it's the work part that ruins it.
@@verdunluck1578 My roommate worked maintenance for TWA at LAX when they were flying L1011s with the first auto land system. They used LAX for practice with auto land because it was one of the first airports equipped to do auto land. She said even though the pilots were shooting landings in good weather, they would hold their hands just off the wheel so they could grab it the moment they detected a problem. I am sure for a properly trained pilot it's difficult to turn full control over to a computer and even more difficult when you can't tell if the system has made a mistake.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! As an aviation enthusiast, I have been a HUGE fan of this channel since many years, and I absolutely LOVE the content!! Thank you so much for all your videos, and really appreciate the effort!!
Your accounts of air incidents have been great right from the start - a combination of your expertise, and skill in communication. But I'd like to take a moment to congratulate your on the steady increase in production values. When you say there is a team working with you, that is also clear in the quality and care taken in each presentation. Well done!
The CGI used to be great, but now they are simply astonishing Congratulations to the whole team, i'm amazed and super hyped that you all managed to change the economic model and still manage to upgrade an already top-notch show
I started my career in the aviation industry 2006 in TNT World Hub. I’m Ground Ops supervisor and Loadcontroller I remember this crash, it was surrealistic….
Cool, would love to hear what working at the company was like back then. By the Time I started in TNT in 2016 it had already been split into multiple companies and only the Express Branch remained really. That was the same year FedEx bought TNT Express and in 2021 it got integrated into FedEx. Only part of the TNT Systems remain these days but they will disappear soon as well.
@@l33tnobody1337 well, it was a blast. Very challenging and I love action so I was well served. I left in 2009 bz I mo end to BSL dor personal reasons and worked for Swissport there on the pax side of aviation. It was veeery hard work, Swiss people aren’t kidding with work etc…but very interesting aswell never the less. I came back to TNT in 2018 and slowly but surely FedEx incorporated a few flights per night with a totally different MO…which I hated. Now it’s full FedEx and even if I’m glad to have a job I do not like it. Now, also, instead having like 49 departures per night we only have 12-15 of them and strangely enough instead being 6 in the office for 49 planes , the company brought 17 other people in the office(so not getting the logic here but what do I know about business etc) So as a result it is aooooo boring , dealing with just 1 flight per night or worse, sometimes none at all, just sitting there scanning the internet is not what I am calling challenging neither exciting…. So, here U have it…
@@l33tnobody1337 I also remember , in 2018 when I came back from BSL, one night I’m coming to the office and there’s nobody there, I mean literally zero colleagues none. I waited a moment and still nobody so I called my duty manager and asked him what was going on he said that everyone called in sick so I’m alone😰😰🥶for 49 departures. No way to manage it lays be realistic:)) but he reassured me and told me that he’ll join me litbit later on and give me a hand. Hoooo what a night. Just 2 of us with the flight dispo, sweating our lives out:)) , AZ done, IA done, etc striking out the flights from the list… whole night long…. At the end both of us were completely washed out but damn, what a night!! Excellent!!!
@@l33tnobody1337working there was awesome and an adventure... awesome team and flexibility... When FX took us over we had actually a new momentum to open new routes, new liveries, new slogans... the dynamic was great... Today it's ASL.... another company but still the same great work environement and "can do" attitude....
@@l33tnobody1337 was a pretty big mess from the FX point of view, little control over scanning, huge amount of damaged and lost packages, no KPI system, no trace system, poor communications, but ironically many countries were very profitable, more so than FX in the same region, go figure :)
My father began flying the Flying Boats (as navigator, then engineer) back in the 1940s, and retired in the 1980s. He was a weather forecast enthusiast until he died in 2012. He would have absolutely drooled in delight at the detail now available in forecasts.
SRA approaches are now discontinued in the UK (except for a couple of airfields). The manoeuvre wasn’t regularly practiced by either controllers or pilots, and was considered irrelevant with the availability of RNP approaches. It’s worth noting that CAT IIIa approaches can be flown to 50’ RA and 200m visibility and CAT IIIb to 0 (zero) RA and 75m visibility if the aircraft, pilots and airfield are certified. I have flown many CAT II approaches and quite a few IIIa approaches but very few IIIb approaches in anger (although plenty in the simulator). The UK climate, as well all know, can be quite unpredictable and local knowledge is a boon. Some airfields are capable of dense fog even in high winds, the country can be blanketed in fog but some airfields (because of elevation) be gin clear, and I’ve even seen runways half in fog and half CAVOK (the wrong half!). I’ve one departed GLA for SOU with alternates of Cherbourg and AMS, and ended up diverting to LGW (and just getting in). It’s particularly an issue in the Autumn months in high pressure areas at Dawn (E layer fog)
The production quality of this video is stunning. The use of computer generated graphics, and their accuracy, is brilliant, along with the cutting to face to camera explanations. I am watching in the UK, this could easily been broadcast by BBC or ITV. Brilliant !!!!
Having working at TNT for quite some time, the actions in this incident really resume well the internal situation at the time, mostly overworked employees doing most of the job while clueless executives only worried to keep costs low with maximal profits and having no clue how things actualy work, do all to make them work "their way" hoping that the high resilient and Professional "low end" workers as they considered them would put out their fires, which ultimately was the main cause for all this mess. Hopefuly things seem to have evolved in a positive way since them or so ive been informed by former collegues that still work there now.
Ah the perennial reality of management in truth caring more about making money than about safety, in a business where all say safety is the primary consideration. I worked in such a business, and i came to have little respect for management because i knew they were lying big time whenever they said safety was number one. Sometimes i conceive of the thought process of management as something like this: "We must make money to remain in business, and we must operate safely." "But we cannot do both, so we have two choices:" "(1) If we operate safely but do not make enough money, we will definitely go out of business." "(2) If we operate unsafely but make enough money, we will remain in business." "Number (2) is the preferred choice, because even if we have accidents because we operate unsafely, yet make enough money, we only MIGHT, not definitely, go out of business."
@@blablablablablablablablablbla well, not french native, but yes, live in France. Worst thing is i know it's a false friend and i try to be atentive to those. Guess it just sliped this time lol
Really impressive how sturdy the aircraft is! :D And the most important thing is that nobody got seriously injured - good job from the pilots during the actual landing. Mistakes were made, but even so, they got down safely and that's what matters :) (greetings from Discord btw! :D)
and note to controllers to respect call inhibition when the plane is on approach... Indeed, those messages need to be inhibited or refrained at times... but with the generalization of ACARS, those messages have a tendency to multiply....
Good job on the captains part. Regardless of what happened earlier in the flight and mistakes made, the captain did a superb job getting the aircraft down safely.
Incredible, the aircraft was able to get basically get itself airborne again after striking the ground hard enough to lose landing gear, then engine also hitting the ground ingesting dirt, rocks and grass and stayed airborne. Incredible, the pilots quickly regained their situational awareness with all the failures they had to with at such an extremely low altitude regain control safely landing the aircraft. Simply INCREDIBLE!
The pilot reporting the landing gear sticking out of the grass is hilarious! I'm sure that makes for a great anecdote at social events. Incredible feat by all involved (including the aircraft) that disaster was avoided. Split second mistakes happen, it's human, but they did everything right in the end. What a terrifying scene for any pilot to suddenly see grass straight ahead and then have alarms blaring.
It does indeed ;-) we were a bit unsure whether to say anything at first because we thought surely they knew about it. Controller’s reply was good, “there’s two pilots in Birmingham looking for that!”
This kind of reminded me of losing control of my truck on some ice, hitting an embankment, temporarily airborne, and then getting everything straightened out as I came to a stop. My girlfriends looked at me and asked "Do you want me to see if eh transmission is still attached to the truck?'. Yeah, Whew. Same with this accident. FO "You want me to check and see if the wings are still attached?". When all else fails, return to basics and fly the airplane.
You make some of the most amazing aviation videos out there. I appreciate the time you and your team takes to make these detailed, quality videos. For me, you're my favorite person to review accidents and incidents and even for aviation related issues like on the Mentour Now channel. When it comes to Boeing and Airbus, I'd love for you to make a video explaining the fly by wire differences. I think that would be a good topic.
Your videos never fail to amuse me. Keep posting videos like this where an accident, though serious this one, still led to no soul lost and the aircraft landing in one piece. The fact that the plane still landed in one piece despite catastrophic damage to the landing gear and flaps is truly amazing on its own.
Love your channel Peter, so much high level expertise required for aviation. Meteorology, mathematics, engineering, error free understanding of scientific units, communication and language, soft and interpersonal skills, a clear and cool mind in all situations. It is easy to understand how so many near misses, accidents and catastrophes occur. It's a credit to those who continually up skill to reduce accidents in a complex and often stressful world. Your explanations of these situations is interesting and understandable to the non aviators of this world.Thank you. I have found a nice hobby.
You just know watching every one of your videos 5 times over has had their intended educational value when I, a non-pilot, know exactly what is about to go wrong and what the pilots should have ideally done in the situation, before you even mention it in the video 😅 Great video. As always.
Irregardless of the causes of this accident, my hat is off to the pilot for an extraordinary display of airmanship in getting this aircraft on the ground. Well done captain, well done!
This story was a rollercoaster ride. This flight crew did some great flying at the end. I was certain that this was going to have fatalities. Wow. Great job Petter. You’re an excellent storyteller.
I'm a simple man, I see a mentour pilot upload, I watch. Also thank you for the positive attitude t shirt! I love wearing mine and awesome to see you wearing them in your videos :) keep up the awesome high quality content!
@MentourPilot My absolute pleasure you deserve all the support in the world! :) your content is amazing and the fact you provide it for free for anyone interested in aviation is truly wonderful. You're a great person and I look forward to all the uploads to come!
I rarely comment on videos on YT to be honest. Still, I was driven by the increased quality in video production. Kudos to the team. The sequence at 18:35 really stands out. Superposition of Sat-Imagery with Airport and Approach charts. Smooth. Cheers from Bahrain.
Nice report and well-detailed explanation of the circumstances of Flight 325N. A lot to learn and understand as a Pilot and only a few seconds of multitasking. There is a lot to learn about muscle memory. Practice, practice, and lots more before complacency.
Started watching the moment this was visible! Great video! I hope the new changes in life are still treating you and the family well! Thanks also to the crew at Mentour for their contribution to the fantastic video!
I love these stories where there’s a positive outcome. Whether they are at fault for mistakes or not, a good outcome to me is heroic nevertheless. When things go wrong in the sky, it can become a tragic ending if the flight crew aren’t on their* A-game. Well done to the pilots for getting there in -1 pieces!
I swear that controller would be me. Trying to do the extra thing for my job but failing to do the main part of my job instead. I've been there. Never a good feeling
Looking at the flight when going into Birmingham it looks like it flew over my house! So thankful that the plane held up and the crew got it down safely. We had flew out from Birmingham just 5 days prior to Majorca so missed this event however my family (and neighbours) would have been in the firing line if things went further wrong. So so glad they didn't.
its important to realize that these are real people and we will probably forget about this the next day after hearing it. The pilots will never forget.
@@Jehty_ That basically translates to "accident incubator". Like _yo guys, have your first accident on us_ which makes it so that they only get new pilots
While the only flying I do these days is on MS Flight Sim, I can still remember one of my earliest flight instructors harping on "Always remember to fly the airplane FIRST!" Finances and other problems kept me from becoming the airline pilot of my early dreams and I'm no longer able to pass the physical, but it was for lack of trying. My hat comes off to salute the pilots of a well-built aircraft for a job well done under extremely difficult situations! Incidentally, many an Air Force pilot credited another extremely well-built Boeing (the B-52) for saving their lives over Viet Nam.
The storytelling and the whole production made me feel like I was the third person on the flight. I was so happy when the outcome was known. Thank you for explaining in details about the workload, situational awareness and similar issues. It helps a lot and I am using your methods in my line of work which many times requires similar approach - emergency medical service so this in a way is extremely educational for me. For this reason I am very grateful to the whole crew. Cheers to everyone and all that follow this gem of a channel.
Wow what great luck and design that the landing gear is designed to tear off if there is too much pressure put on it. Definitely these pilots survived due to this feature
I remember this incident occurring. I live in Birmingham and it made the local news including footage of the landing. Thanks for covering this one from a pilot's perspective. The press coverage was rather critical of the pilots not following procedure.
"Imagine this happening at 5 in the morning after 10 hours of work" - it's always easy to judge other people's mistakes and dismiss them as incompetence, I love how Petter shows us human beings who made a mistake while tired and overwhelmed by sudden events.
Another key life lesson I am learning is TOGA. How you start is important, but how you finish is more important. And also that in aviation, Go Around could be perceived as a failure (which it isn't), just as pulling out of a deal or previous commitment may be seen as weak - personal permission to change our mind based on new information is a fundamental maturity trait (IMO).
I didn't know it was possible to land in this condition; what an amazing story. I love that you don't give away spoilers at the beginning about how it's going to end. The 45 minutes of the video flew by very quickly.
Thanks for another great video, with clear and concise narration and graphics. I really like the understanding offered to crew operating under stress, and the pleasure taken at a nice bit of piloting
@@RaccooniusIII that comment was sponsored by openAI. on that note honestly would prefer if the sponsored segments started less "human" so i can easier skip them
Good morning from the USA. I’m excited to catch this one only 2 min after posting. Always love your videos. Although the pilot made one small mistake, they did manage the emergency pretty well after that. Keeping CRM and making logical decisions instead of panic.
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Excellent ❤❤
Can you cover bs211 crash in nepal plz❤❤
@MentourPilot there is a smart sugestion below on the comments about a better way to rate pilots than hours flown. seems a nice idea and you have what it takes to make something worty. let me know if you need help with the software part..
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can please do flight 811 it's a request
40:01 pyrotechnics being transported by an airline called TNT??
"TNT cargo, for bringing your explosives to the ground in one piece! (We never promised we'd land gently.)"
OMG😅
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LMFAO...that got me a big chuckle.
I came here for this
The tower watch sup deserves a medal.
Coordinating a police helicopter to inspect the damage to the aircraft is the most big brain ATC move I've ever heard. Knowing the extent of the damage was critical for the crew's decision making and not only is it insane that they had the SA to know the cameras on the helicopter could get an eye on, it's impressive that he successfully vectored an intercept between a slow moving helicopter and a 737 at low altitude in the weather. Hats off to that watch sup.
Yes indeed.
We were in a Hughes 500 parallel to a landing jet aimed for our ramp and we got wrapped up in watching the airliner so that we recognized we were alive having missed a tall beautiful tree at the edge of our hangar. Keith Mackey was the helicopter pilot and also an airliner pilot. It was his helicopter. It is at least 3 decades in the past.
Glad the chopper didn't get upset by wake turbulence.
This one was really technical and I just skipped a lot, but listened to the end. Wow! What a first flight as a Captain! But - It’s good to hear that a Boeing held together so well and he held it together, too :) Lately Boeing really has been having so many problems - not so good to hear for us just plain old passengers :) 🌷🌱
This one was really technical and I just skipped a lot, but listened to the end. Wow! What a first flight as a Captain! But - It’s good to hear that a Boeing held together so well and he held it together, too :) Lately Boeing really has been having so many problems - not so good to hear for us just plain old passengers :) 🌷🌱
It’s absolutely insane that that aircraft was able to continue flying after taking such a beating, and even crazier that the landing was so good even after all of that. A true testament to the many, many layers of redundancy in aviation
Absolutely!
And it shows how good Boeing aircraft used to be back then. They take a heck of a beating and still manage to land safely.
@@Colaholiker Probably they had the good luck, too, that they already had initiated the Go-Around-Mode before the Aircraft touched down and that all gears were down, so that the touched the ground only for a few seconds before becoming airborne again and that the gears absorbed most of the force - I must think to PIA flight 8303, where the engines were scrapped at a baulked landing over the runway before the Aircraft became airborne again. So, yes, it was the sturdiness of the aircraft which solved this situation, but also good luck and not at least proper actions of the Pilots, who were able to save the flight.
@@NicolaW72"proper actions of the pilots?" The proper action, as pointed out in the report and the video, would have been to initiate a go around as soon as autopilot disconnected. We all make mistakes and hopefully i never make one like this. They did a good job AFTER the crash and go, I'll give them that. And i agree that fatigue was definitely a factor. I wonder what their previous few days schedule looked like?
@@MentourPilotDid the report mention the pilots's schedule for the days preceding this incident? A 10 hour all night duty day is rough on its own, but i wonder if they were able to get adequate rest prior to operating.
Good job reviewing this. I was the FO on the aircraft that saw the landing gear leg as we taxied out in relatively thick fog still. It was quite surreal!
Lmao, must've been weird
As a causal factor not investigated or listed, I would add the company decision making system / company night dispatcher: you don`t mess with the pilots of a plane carrying pyrotechniques, at night, on bad weather, at the end of a long shift, after a diversion and on low fuel (facts and infos the company would have access to)! Think carefully about your decision, and send it in time! Don't change your decision in the last minute, don`t put pressure on ATC to deliver the message even at a late stage of a CAT 3 approach, don`t put unnecessary pressure on the pilots!
They most probably did not know the exact state of the approach and it´s very likely they wanted to give the pilots the better weather at Liverpool - which they just found out prior to their call was easily possible. Probably their standard diversion is east midlands, so that was immediatly said - then the operator saw the weather, saw that Liverpool is available, maybe did some maths to check if its fine and then wanted to give them Liverpool.
To rely that information via the ATC... Maybe not perfect, but from my point the ATC should´ve not informed the crew, because he knew exactly where they are. In the end just telling them: This information was to late as they were already almost at the runway.
Regardless of that... A small communication problem should not lead to a damaged aircraft at all. The Captain pushed the wrong button, which is human to do, but was unable to correct his mistake by simply going around as he was unstabilized at a critical point of landing. You always enter an approach with the mindset of: Landing is an option. Go around is default. (Except of course some other emergency forces you to land first try). This is what we all should learn about this
I experienced something similar about 25 years ago when we recieved a secal chime during the late stages of a CAT3 in a 737-300 on approach to LHR. I called 'disregard' and we continued to land. After landing my mobile phone showed multiple calls from our flight operations. They had wanted us to divert to EMA. It's interesting to have seen what could have transpired if we'd allowed it to distract us. Fortunately for us I was more experienced and LHR was where our cars were parked!
"How could just a few seconds of lost focus lead to such mayhem"?
That's the story of my life brother.😂
Hahaha!!
Explain pls @turtleknek
That is the risk of the pull out method. 😂
Get a vasectomy, you can thank me later.
Hahaha
"The cargo was pyrotechnics" - this is straight out of Leslie Nielsen movie.
Yeah, I know
I wonder at what point in an emergency the pilots think about what the cargo is and whether that is going to make any hard landing so much worse.
I'm really glad they landed safely but I chuckle a little at the idea of them landing in Leslie Nielsen movie fashion and somebody just yelling "nothing to see here folks" with their fireworks and dry ice cargo.
@@NuSpirit_ Oh yes, I'd forgotten about the dry ice, that would have been interesting if it had crashed, it might have put out the fire.
Hence the name of the airline, *TNT*
I swear the visual quality of each of these videos has been steadily increasing
It amazes me how well you can represent each story 3D-wise and actually have it look good
Bro you didnt even watch the video
@@angel-cu7pt Bro you didnt even watch the comment
I commented on how the quality has been increasing every video. Does that really necessitate such negativity?
The controller is running Windows XP with the default skin lol 😂 i wonder if those kind of critical computer things get updated to the era-accurate software or were they in reality still running on NT 4.5 😂
@@entechcoreIt's just weird to make a comment like this, when you didn't even watch it yet 😂.
Simp harder!
These are the videos i love the most - yes, things go horribly wrong, but it still ends well and you see some great airmanship in the process. The fact the landing was on the centerline, with a broken landing gear and literally landing on the engine cowling instead is nothing short of a flex by the pilot flying.
Accidents typically occur as a result of a series of incidents that, when combined, reach a threshold and lead to a predictable tragedy or "Comedy of Errors" (an idiom from a Shakespearean play). The tension arising from the semi-predictable nature of these events plays a significant role in why they are so fascinating.
As a newly upgraded 737 Captain (coming from 11 years on the A320) I really appreciate the time and lessons you give on this channel!
I laughed out loud at the “and they had pyrotechnics on board” part
If i was trying to write a disaster comedy movie that’s the kind of stuff i’d write
What was kept secret was the pregnant nun on the supernumary seat.
fiction has its limits
That made me laugh too for the same reason!
Then i remembered when i was a chemist, i was sometimes irritated when a supplier would not ship certain chemicals by air due to safety considerations. I don't think any chemical i tried to ship by air and couldn't were as dangerous as pyrotechnics.
Even snakes would have been better.
Dyn-O-mite!!!
What a resilient bird and crew. Two diversions and severe damage, but still a safe landing. Incredible.
Indeed!
Sadly, both pilots were fired as a result of this incident.
@@stephenj4937 Is that true? If their training records were otherwise good, it seems like that'd be overly punitive for an accident with several contributing factors.
@@mayfly552 Back in the day, I remember seeing Belgian Cockpit Association, recruiting posters with scenes of the Birmingham crash. So, that made me suspect the treatment of the crew was brutal.
As a layperson, it’s really weird to see an accident in which the design and build quality of a Boeing 737 helped mitigate the accident instead of causing it.
Can I just point out that TNT is a horrible name for an airline and leave it at that?
Well, they are a cargo airline but I get your point
I thought that too!
Heard they have a tire company called "Blowout Tires"
IDK, I personally think that's a dynamite name for a cargo airline! 🤣
@@macgeek2004I wonder if their growth was explosive.
I have no genuine interest in aviation (I work in media) but your videos are so educational and full of passion that it allows me to appreciate the skill and expertise pilots and aviation crews possess. Thank you for that.
In fact in this case the Company crashed its Aircraft with the unvoluntary assistance of the Pilots. And yes, the Pilots made mistakes on approach to EMA, but finally they saved the flight and nobody was hurt - and that was a huge merit and far beyond selfunderstanding.
Thank you very much for picking up this nearly unknown event!🙂👍
Did/could the company guy have known the position of the aircraft in its landing process?
ATC who relayed message seems more like the weakest link , as the report appears to have indicated.
@@whazzat8015 Good question if they had at that time the technology to know exactly where their Aircraft was. Today it would be no doubt: they know it. And indeed: The ATC was the "weak link" here - at least he should have known that it is not a good idea to transmit company orders to an aircraft on final approach.
TNT fired these pilots after this incident. Stupid corporate politics, and a guy wanting to save his own behind I'm betting. I hope they managed to join another airline, with a strong union.
@@hayleyxyz I know nothing what became out of the Pilots after this Accident. After this experience they would have been much better Pilots because being involved in something like that is a huge Lesson to Learn. More than every Simulator Session.
@@NicolaW72 I agree, which is why it was a ridiculous move to fire them.
What a fast developing mess! I fully expected a disaster, not a fantastic landing. Its so gratifying to have a happy ending. This is one of your best yet.
Thank you!
In my hart I knew it was going to end well because of the high-spirt mood and even smiles which which Peter delivered throughout the presentation.
Yes. 45 minutes passed quickly. Perfectly made video.
this really shows the potential damage a poorly timed interruption can cause. it's heartening to hear they were able to recover and get down safely at the end.
Indeed!
Indeed, and I sometimes fumble my buttons in similar ways when playing computer games. I don't think I'd be cut out to be a pilot -- at least not one hauling more than my own rear end. 🙂
@@AaronOfMpls if I was a pilot I wouldn't want my wife to be my copilot. she's mastered the nuances of interrupting me at the worst possible moments.
@@AaronOfMpls The pilots were hauling just their own rear ends and the cargo. If the cargo didn't contain pyrotechnics and dry ice, it would've been okay even for you.
Agreed. This was probably the most relatable accident so far. An interruption at a critical moment can absolutely destroy my focus and situational awareness, especially if I'm thrust into a chaotic situation immediately afterward.
I can only imagine how the taxiing aircraft felt. "Uhh is that a landing gear over there in that grass!?" "Yea, wtf is that thing doing there? Let's call up the tower"
I was laughing out loud when I imagined seeing the landing gear sticking out of the grass and having absolutely no clue about what happened other than something had to be really wrong. 😂 Glad they both survived though.
I wish we had the ATC recording of this. Imagine a pilot asking, in a typical polite British fashion: sir, I don't want to cause trouble, but I think something fell off...
"Um, tower, do you by any chance know about an aircraft that's missing a landing leg? If not, oh boy, someone will get a surprise..."
Vasaviaton has videos where pilots report a different plane dropping a tyre, they sound pretty indifferent. There was also at some point a 777 losing an entire wheel bogey.
Probably something like that, yes, indeed.
In the end it was less the missing experience of the pilot in this situation, rather than the controller calling them at the worst possible moment. And a first officer who was unsure of what to do. Glad it worked out quite harmless for them.
Yes, and that is what we must preach the pilots: If you are unsure, go around. Landing is an option which you take if all is fine. If something is odd, don´t try to.
I know it´s easier said then done but it is the important lesson regarding this accident.
There ought to be a special procedure for ATC to relay company messages, something like: “: I have a non-standard operational message from your company. Are you ready to receive?”
The way ATC transmitted this completely out-of-context, non-standard, complicated request at a critical stage of flight, throwing around phrases like “land here” and “go around”, made the crew doubt if they even had a landing clearance.
This was pretty far beyond “inappropriate” in my book.
I've started adopting Aviate - Navigate - Communicate as a kind of mantra for handling unexpected stress in general. It really helps manage emotions and not get distracted.
That's actually a really good idea, or at least something similar with the same idea of "deal with the immediate situation first, plan where you're going after, and communicate it".
Put that on a t-shirt.
Left foot right foot left foot, watch surroundings XD
Same. I work as a software engineer who responds to production incidents. These videos come in handy.
@@Mic_Glow Exactly how I've been managing myself the past month xD
Great video! often wondered what the story was with this aircraft. My company bought the flightdeck from this 73 and converted it into a simulator, now in use in Queensland Australia, still painted orange.
Ahh, interesting! Well, now you know
To what I readed the Aircraft was sitting until May of 2007 at Birmingham Airport, than it was dismantled and transported via road to Lasham, where its parts were recycled. One ended up in Queensland. The Aircraft never flew again.
We cut it up at birmingham into sections. Lasham at the time was the main base for ASI.
@@andrewwaite11 Thank you very much for this information.
This is what we all should strive for in life.
We mess up, we clear our messes and learn from the mistakes.
Yes - in the better case.
Great example of a bunch of things:
1. Fatigue from high workload.
2. Fixation under stress
3. Reversion under stress
I think the procedure breakdowns can be understood almost entirely in those terms, but I think the signs of stress are stronger than the signs of fatigue. Hitting the wrong switch, as you mention, is a classic stress-related reversion error. And the first officer probably had a fixation with landing and hence opted to restabilize the approach due to the stress as well. Fatigue and stress interact in complex ways. And my experience is that while fatigue impairs judgment, stress magnifies that impairment significantly.
I love your show, Mentour Pilot. I fly only about twice a year, across Canada from the west coast, and on to Ireland. I always seem to binge on these videos right before my flight. Oddly, it doesn't scare me. I know absolutely nothing about - well, anything mechanical, really, beyond a wheel - but you explain things so clearly I can follow your descriptions enough so that I'm captivated by the story. I see all of your videos and you do a great service bridging the gap between lay people and those in the industry. Thank you so much!
real hero of the story is the plane just shrugging off getting slammed into the ground and forced to eat dirt after having its leg torn off, just going eh its but a flesh wound, continuing on flying. it deserves a medal for immortality or something
Tis But A Scratch.
Its a true testament to how much of a tank the older 737's were built. To take a rough landing at that sync rate, with full thrust and to rub along the ground. Its a wonder the engine didnt come off or a fuel leak started.
@@FireStriker_ yeah it's invincible! xD
"Your wheel's off!"
"No it isn't."
"Then what's that?"
"Tis but a flesh wound!"
Boeing used to build good aircraft.
So you're telling me things falling off and the plane keeps flying is just a legacy feature?
"The aircraft touched down in one piece... well, minus one piece."
Yes.
LOL - one piece of what was left!
Well at least a piece they could do without as it turned out.
Fatigue is such a so crucial topic in aviation, yet management in airlines worldwide still push the limit further and further... I've had the chance to have this particular captain as a sim instructor many years later, one of the sharpest pilots I've ever met.
I'm pleased to hear he continued to work in the industry. His lesson is one worth sharing with the next generation of pilots. In the end he showed his resilience, capacity to recover and to perform a very difficult landing. Too many people are so quick to judge and execute others in this life. ATC's intentions were good but that was a badly timed message.
Oh I’m glad he kept flying, that emergency landing was beautiful!
Aircraft fuel starvation and fatigue all well understood but the people… not so much?
I'm glad to hear you are moving on to be the voice for aviation sanity. I know you'll make an impact. Keep up the good work looking forward to more of your excellent documentaries on your chosen profession.
1:24 "as forecast for the UK goes, this wasn`t that bad"🤣 Petter publicly slammed the UK weather🤣
British are getting free palomas at Scottsdale bars " 'cos these poor people, their weather is horrible, let them enjoy a bit of sunshine"😢
It wasn´t that bad for the UK.
Complaining about the Weather is a national pastime here in the UK. If it is sunny, it is too hot. If it is raining, too wet, and if it is snowing, the country is shut down.
@@ImperialJustinian I would choose without any hesitation the hot and sunny weather.🤗 But I´m not from the UK.
WOW! That tower controller should win a bad timing award. This was just really unfortunate and I can see how something similar can happen to anyone in any circumstance.
I like how the weather report was shown and explained. If someone gave me thet report and expected to understand what it was telling me, I'd be confused. I likely wouldn't even know it was a weather report, unless it said so somewhere on it. I know this was a small portion of the video but it adds to the quality of detail covered in these videos. I've learned a lot from watching this channel.
I’m so happy to hear that!
Yes I love that mentour includes the details and explains them rather than dumbing down...
@@MentourPilot Your presentation of the weather report was so enlightening. Keep going Team Petter!
@@MentourPilot
Ditto! ☝️
Would love more of that too 🧡
Thank you so much @MentourPilot
Learning to read Meteorological Actual Reports (METARs) and Terminal Airfield Forecasts (TAFs) is something that pilots start learning relatively early in their training, often within the first few hours of starting training. After a while, the amazing human brain starts to translate the codes as you read them!
44:44 Thank goodness a safety minded individual put two traffic cones in front of the aircraft. Without those cones I’m not sure anyone would have noticed the 737 hiding on the runway.
Thank you. I actually did not notice the aircraft as I was too busy looking at the cones. This comment saved me from a costly mistake.
They do it with big brightly coloured trains and equipment too. It’s more about exclusion zones and isolation. It means don’t approach or board without authority.
@42:28 in one piece??? The right main landing gear is at a different airport than the fuselage! 🤣
This incident was not due to a mechanical error, but neither was it really due to human error-the pilots did everything as well as could be reasonably expected (although they could have done better). The kind of incident that can’t be avoided, so the fact that everything worked out in the end is very good.
I'm imagining the guys in East Midlands. The sun comes up, the fog lifts, and they see this long deep furrow in the grass next to the runway, a stray set of torn up landing gear, but there is no plane anywhere in sight.
Just having to call that in. "Uh, tower? Has... And I know this is going to sound strange, but has anyone reported losing a landing gear?"
the first no no nope in my brain would've been... Did it... Did it go underground?? 😂
The night is 1 h after sunrise coldest !
I'm not sure which is more impressive: the pilots' ability to bring the plane down safely after such a dramatic event, or the ability of the producer of this video to make the IEXG 737-300 in X-Plane look and work so well!
It is eleven years since I last flew and airliner (A320) and six years before that when I last flew a 737, but even at that distance I could feel the pressure building up in me when they were first cleared down to two thousand feet. A Cat 3 landing is not the easy unstressed experience that I am sure a lot of people think it is. It is like the time from pressing the TOGA button on take off to getting to five hundred feet; you are on edge for that failure that will require very quick and non-reversable decisions to be made.
It also reminded me of a night many years before in a Navajo when I diverted from Luton to East Midlands. By the time I had walked to the briefing room not only had EMAs weather deteriorated way below limits, but every other airfield within range was giving RVR 300 Mts, sky obscured. In other words if I had been five minutes later I would have had nowhere to land.
Night freight flying is not an easy job. Now I hear the forecast of fog and go to bed with a smile. Retirement is great.
Since writing the above I have had a good night's sleep and some thought. A Cat 3 Autoland is something unique in flying. It is the only time when a pilot gives control totally to the avionics with no chance of a human detecting a fault. From the beginning of the flare there is no reasonable way to monitor the aircraft; you are only doing the Autoland because all visual clues are either missing or so confusing that to intervene would be madness. There is for that brief period of time nothing to tell you if all is well except for three computers checking each other.
For the approach you have the ILS display, the DME and the radio altimeter as independent sources of information, but once in the flare all the information is being generated within the avionics. You can look out of the windscreen, but will not see enough for you to check all is well with the flare (the A320 does a "no decision height" automatic landing) and the much talked about "ten to the minus nine" chance of a catastrophic equipment failure must be getting close. Have we exceeded ten million autolands yet?
Of course, once safely on the ground it has all been routine, normal and safe, but I won't deny the build up of tension in the last part of the approach. Adding a concern about how the day (night?) will continue after your diversion and that if you go around your second attempt will be without enough fuel to go anywhere else. My answer was to take massive amounts of fuel on those nights.
I envy you. Congratulations. Still have 9 years to go here. Might retire early but we'll see. I like the money part of it, it's the work part that ruins it.
@@verdunluck1578 My roommate worked maintenance for TWA at LAX when they were flying L1011s with the first auto land system. They used LAX for practice with auto land because it was one of the first airports equipped to do auto land. She said even though the pilots were shooting landings in good weather, they would hold their hands just off the wheel so they could grab it the moment they detected a problem. I am sure for a properly trained pilot it's difficult to turn full control over to a computer and even more difficult when you can't tell if the system has made a mistake.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
As an aviation enthusiast, I have been a HUGE fan of this channel since many years, and I absolutely LOVE the content!! Thank you so much for all your videos, and really appreciate the effort!!
Your accounts of air incidents have been great right from the start - a combination of your expertise, and skill in communication. But I'd like to take a moment to congratulate your on the steady increase in production values. When you say there is a team working with you, that is also clear in the quality and care taken in each presentation. Well done!
The CGI used to be great, but now they are simply astonishing
Congratulations to the whole team, i'm amazed and super hyped that you all managed to change the economic model and still manage to upgrade an already top-notch show
Most of it comes out of MSFS.
Adobo Studio and Microsoft can take all the credit for the visuals. It's all out of Microsoft Flight Simulator.
@sujimayne I'm a blacksmith, but the hammer does all the work
Looks the same to me.
I started my career in the aviation industry 2006 in TNT World Hub. I’m Ground Ops supervisor and Loadcontroller
I remember this crash, it was surrealistic….
Cool, would love to hear what working at the company was like back then. By the Time I started in TNT in 2016 it had already been split into multiple companies and only the Express Branch remained really. That was the same year FedEx bought TNT Express and in 2021 it got integrated into FedEx. Only part of the TNT Systems remain these days but they will disappear soon as well.
@@l33tnobody1337 well, it was a blast. Very challenging and I love action so I was well served. I left in 2009 bz I mo end to BSL dor personal reasons and worked for Swissport there on the pax side of aviation. It was veeery hard work, Swiss people aren’t kidding with work etc…but very interesting aswell never the less. I came back to TNT in 2018 and slowly but surely FedEx incorporated a few flights per night with a totally different MO…which I hated. Now it’s full FedEx and even if I’m glad to have a job I do not like it. Now, also, instead having like 49 departures per night we only have 12-15 of them and strangely enough instead being 6 in the office for 49 planes , the company brought 17 other people in the office(so not getting the logic here but what do I know about business etc)
So as a result it is aooooo boring , dealing with just 1 flight per night or worse, sometimes none at all, just sitting there scanning the internet is not what I am calling challenging neither exciting….
So, here U have it…
@@l33tnobody1337 I also remember , in 2018 when I came back from BSL, one night I’m coming to the office and there’s nobody there, I mean literally zero colleagues none. I waited a moment and still nobody so I called my duty manager and asked him what was going on he said that everyone called in sick so I’m alone😰😰🥶for 49 departures. No way to manage it lays be realistic:)) but he reassured me and told me that he’ll join me litbit later on and give me a hand. Hoooo what a night. Just 2 of us with the flight dispo, sweating our lives out:)) , AZ done, IA done, etc striking out the flights from the list… whole night long…. At the end both of us were completely washed out but damn, what a night!! Excellent!!!
@@l33tnobody1337working there was awesome and an adventure... awesome team and flexibility... When FX took us over we had actually a new momentum to open new routes, new liveries, new slogans... the dynamic was great... Today it's ASL.... another company but still the same great work environement and "can do" attitude....
@@l33tnobody1337 was a pretty big mess from the FX point of view, little control over scanning, huge amount of damaged and lost packages, no KPI system, no trace system, poor communications, but ironically many countries were very profitable, more so than FX in the same region, go figure :)
My father began flying the Flying Boats (as navigator, then engineer) back in the 1940s, and retired in the 1980s. He was a weather forecast enthusiast until he died in 2012. He would have absolutely drooled in delight at the detail now available in forecasts.
SRA approaches are now discontinued in the UK (except for a couple of airfields). The manoeuvre wasn’t regularly practiced by either controllers or pilots, and was considered irrelevant with the availability of RNP approaches.
It’s worth noting that CAT IIIa approaches can be flown to 50’ RA and 200m visibility and CAT IIIb to 0 (zero) RA and 75m visibility if the aircraft, pilots and airfield are certified. I have flown many CAT II approaches and quite a few IIIa approaches but very few IIIb approaches in anger (although plenty in the simulator).
The UK climate, as well all know, can be quite unpredictable and local knowledge is a boon. Some airfields are capable of dense fog even in high winds, the country can be blanketed in fog but some airfields (because of elevation) be gin clear, and I’ve even seen runways half in fog and half CAVOK (the wrong half!).
I’ve one departed GLA for SOU with alternates of Cherbourg and AMS, and ended up diverting to LGW (and just getting in). It’s particularly an issue in the Autumn months in high pressure areas at Dawn (E layer fog)
The production quality of this video is stunning. The use of computer generated graphics, and their accuracy, is brilliant, along with the cutting to face to camera explanations. I am watching in the UK, this could easily been broadcast by BBC or ITV. Brilliant !!!!
Having working at TNT for quite some time, the actions in this incident really resume well the internal situation at the time, mostly overworked employees doing most of the job while clueless executives only worried to keep costs low with maximal profits and having no clue how things actualy work, do all to make them work "their way" hoping that the high resilient and Professional "low end" workers as they considered them would put out their fires, which ultimately was the main cause for all this mess. Hopefuly things seem to have evolved in a positive way since them or so ive been informed by former collegues that still work there now.
Ah the perennial reality of management in truth caring more about making money than about safety, in a business where all say safety is the primary consideration. I worked in such a business, and i came to have little respect for management because i knew they were lying big time whenever they said safety was number one.
Sometimes i conceive of the thought process of management as something like this:
"We must make money to remain in business, and we must operate safely."
"But we cannot do both, so we have two choices:"
"(1) If we operate safely but do not make enough money, we will definitely go out of business."
"(2) If we operate unsafely but make enough money, we will remain in business."
"Number (2) is the preferred choice, because even if we have accidents because we operate unsafely, yet make enough money, we only MIGHT, not definitely, go out of business."
I suppose you are a French speaker. "Resume" is a false friend. You want to say "summarize" or "sum up." No big deal. Just trying to help.
@@blablablablablablablablablbla well, not french native, but yes, live in France. Worst thing is i know it's a false friend and i try to be atentive to those. Guess it just sliped this time lol
Really impressive how sturdy the aircraft is! :D And the most important thing is that nobody got seriously injured - good job from the pilots during the actual landing. Mistakes were made, but even so, they got down safely and that's what matters :) (greetings from Discord btw! :D)
So happy to hear from you!
Note in TNT Headquarters since then: do NOT try to communicate to flight crews in final minutes of approach.
and note to controllers to respect call inhibition when the plane is on approach... Indeed, those messages need to be inhibited or refrained at times... but with the generalization of ACARS, those messages have a tendency to multiply....
Exactly.
Good job on the captains part. Regardless of what happened earlier in the flight and mistakes made, the captain did a superb job getting the aircraft down safely.
Incredible, the aircraft was able to get basically get itself airborne again after striking the ground hard enough to lose landing gear, then engine also hitting the ground ingesting dirt, rocks and grass and stayed airborne. Incredible, the pilots quickly regained their situational awareness with all the failures they had to with at such an extremely low altitude regain control safely landing the aircraft. Simply INCREDIBLE!
That appears to be why they got fired, according to comments
The air controller took the art of interrupting your busy colleague in the worst possible moment to the next level.
Yes, indeed.
The pilot reporting the landing gear sticking out of the grass is hilarious! I'm sure that makes for a great anecdote at social events. Incredible feat by all involved (including the aircraft) that disaster was avoided. Split second mistakes happen, it's human, but they did everything right in the end. What a terrifying scene for any pilot to suddenly see grass straight ahead and then have alarms blaring.
Sounds like the airplane version of a Halloween display
It does indeed ;-) we were a bit unsure whether to say anything at first because we thought surely they knew about it. Controller’s reply was good, “there’s two pilots in Birmingham looking for that!”
LOL. Now both of you have made me laugh and brightened my mornings. Have a wonderful day you two :)
This kind of reminded me of losing control of my truck on some ice, hitting an embankment, temporarily airborne, and then getting everything straightened out as I came to a stop. My girlfriends looked at me and asked "Do you want me to see if eh transmission is still attached to the truck?'. Yeah, Whew. Same with this accident. FO "You want me to check and see if the wings are still attached?".
When all else fails, return to basics and fly the airplane.
good job to the first officer speaking up and intervening with the subtle incapacitation/startle effect of the captain
Thanks
You make some of the most amazing aviation videos out there. I appreciate the time you and your team takes to make these detailed, quality videos. For me, you're my favorite person to review accidents and incidents and even for aviation related issues like on the Mentour Now channel. When it comes to Boeing and Airbus, I'd love for you to make a video explaining the fly by wire differences. I think that would be a good topic.
Your videos never fail to amuse me. Keep posting videos like this where an accident, though serious this one, still led to no soul lost and the aircraft landing in one piece. The fact that the plane still landed in one piece despite catastrophic damage to the landing gear and flaps is truly amazing on its own.
Love your channel Peter, so much high level expertise required for aviation. Meteorology, mathematics, engineering, error free understanding of scientific units, communication and language, soft and interpersonal skills, a clear and cool mind in all situations. It is easy to understand how so many near misses, accidents and catastrophes occur. It's a credit to those who continually up skill to reduce accidents in a complex and often stressful world. Your explanations of these situations is interesting and understandable to the non aviators of this world.Thank you. I have found a nice hobby.
That’s so nice to hear, I’m really hoping that people will gain a better understanding from this.
I don't think I world ever have a question because you explain everything soooo well. You're an amazing story teller.
Great job Petter. Glad those pilots had some luck riding with them on that scary flight.
The visuals and overall presentation is stunning! Thank you Petter!
(Also: “A TAF is not a forecast. It’s a horoscope with numbers”.)
You just know watching every one of your videos 5 times over has had their intended educational value when I, a non-pilot, know exactly what is about to go wrong and what the pilots should have ideally done in the situation, before you even mention it in the video 😅
Great video. As always.
Thank you!
Great production, thank you Petter and the team ❤
Glad you enjoyed it! 💕💕
43:18 LMAO!! Would love to hear that radio exchange hahaha
The phrase, "They dont build them like they used to" really applys here I think....:-)
What an amazing story, and an excellent ending ! I was on the edge of my seat!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What keeps me coming back to this channel is the systems approach to issues. Particularly the avionics systems diagrams.
Hooked on your channel. Surprising to me since I'm a 75 year old retired psychotherapist. Keep 'em coming! 🛩
Agree - the dynamics of crew/ATC interactions, performance under stress and effect of personality on all of the above is fascinating
Irregardless of the causes of this accident, my hat is off to the pilot for an extraordinary display of airmanship in getting this aircraft on the ground. Well done captain, well done!
I'm so glad it wasn't a tragic end! Kudos to the crew who recovered from their mistakes and kept the heads in these horrific circumstances!
This story was a rollercoaster ride. This flight crew did some great flying at the end. I was certain that this was going to have fatalities. Wow. Great job Petter. You’re an excellent storyteller.
I'm a simple man, I see a mentour pilot upload, I watch. Also thank you for the positive attitude t shirt! I love wearing mine and awesome to see you wearing them in your videos :) keep up the awesome high quality content!
Thank you so much! We keep making these videos with people like you in mind.
Thank you for your support!
@MentourPilot My absolute pleasure you deserve all the support in the world! :) your content is amazing and the fact you provide it for free for anyone interested in aviation is truly wonderful. You're a great person and I look forward to all the uploads to come!
I rarely comment on videos on YT to be honest. Still, I was driven by the increased quality in video production. Kudos to the team.
The sequence at 18:35 really stands out. Superposition of Sat-Imagery with Airport and Approach charts.
Smooth.
Cheers from Bahrain.
Nice report and well-detailed explanation of the circumstances of Flight 325N. A lot to learn and understand as a Pilot and only a few seconds of multitasking. There is a lot to learn about muscle memory. Practice, practice, and lots more before complacency.
I can’t help but think of how useful a flight dispatcher sharing operational control would have been in this situation. Amazing story, well done.
Ive been on a MP binge the last 2 days. Im so excited for this one!
Excellent!! Those are the only type of binges I approve of 😂
I put on old videos at a low volume to help me sleep. Not that its boring content, of course
Started watching the moment this was visible! Great video! I hope the new changes in life are still treating you and the family well! Thanks also to the crew at Mentour for their contribution to the fantastic video!
I love these stories where there’s a positive outcome. Whether they are at fault for mistakes or not, a good outcome to me is heroic nevertheless. When things go wrong in the sky, it can become a tragic ending if the flight crew aren’t on their* A-game. Well done to the pilots for getting there in -1 pieces!
The graphics, instrument presentations, and thoughtful choreography of all in this video is top notch. Fantastic storytelling.
I swear that controller would be me. Trying to do the extra thing for my job but failing to do the main part of my job instead. I've been there. Never a good feeling
For those not familiar with it, TNT is a courier company much like DHL etc...
Looking at the flight when going into Birmingham it looks like it flew over my house! So thankful that the plane held up and the crew got it down safely. We had flew out from Birmingham just 5 days prior to Majorca so missed this event however my family (and neighbours) would have been in the firing line if things went further wrong. So so glad they didn't.
Always nice to see a new video of this channel. Nice job!
I don’t know anything about planes, but the quality of this video is so good that I couldn’t stop warching
Love these stories understanding how many things can be broken and destroyed and STILL land basically no serious damage and no injuries
its important to realize that these are real people and we will probably forget about this the next day after hearing it. The pilots will never forget.
I wonder what happed to the pilots, if they were fired or not.
@@FireStriker_I found a news article saying that they were fired.
Because "TNT has a zero accident policy".
@@Jehty_ That basically translates to "accident incubator". Like _yo guys, have your first accident on us_ which makes it so that they only get new pilots
@@Jehty_ So this airline was both unsafe and running a pretty tight ship by the sounds of it!
@@yssyplanespotter I wouldn't call that tight. Not sure what word to use.
Yes a new exciting video.
I have been waiting for this.
i remember seeing a video on this same incident when i was 6 or 7 on nat geo or some channel and now i get to re watch it amazing!
While the only flying I do these days is on MS Flight Sim, I can still remember one of my earliest flight instructors harping on "Always remember to fly the airplane FIRST!" Finances and other problems kept me from becoming the airline pilot of my early dreams and I'm no longer able to pass the physical, but it was for lack of trying. My hat comes off to salute the pilots of a well-built aircraft for a job well done under extremely difficult situations! Incidentally, many an Air Force pilot credited another extremely well-built Boeing (the B-52) for saving their lives over Viet Nam.
The storytelling and the whole production made me feel like I was the third person on the flight.
I was so happy when the outcome was known.
Thank you for explaining in details about the workload, situational awareness and similar issues.
It helps a lot and I am using your methods in my line of work which many times requires similar approach - emergency medical service so this in a way is extremely educational for me.
For this reason I am very grateful to the whole crew.
Cheers to everyone and all that follow this gem of a channel.
Wow what great luck and design that the landing gear is designed to tear off if there is too much pressure put on it. Definitely these pilots survived due to this feature
Probably
yeah had it not broke away as design and caused damage that lead to a fuel leak . . .
I remember this incident occurring. I live in Birmingham and it made the local news including footage of the landing. Thanks for covering this one from a pilot's perspective. The press coverage was rather critical of the pilots not following procedure.
"Imagine this happening at 5 in the morning after 10 hours of work" - it's always easy to judge other people's mistakes and dismiss them as incompetence, I love how Petter shows us human beings who made a mistake while tired and overwhelmed by sudden events.
@@CieloNotturno86 absolutely. I think the Captain did an amazing job of landing the aircraft with part of the landing gear missing
Another key life lesson I am learning is TOGA. How you start is important, but how you finish is more important. And also that in aviation, Go Around could be perceived as a failure (which it isn't), just as pulling out of a deal or previous commitment may be seen as weak - personal permission to change our mind based on new information is a fundamental maturity trait (IMO).
It almost crashed twice. Incredible job by these pilots! And what an aircraft!!!
I didn't know it was possible to land in this condition; what an amazing story. I love that you don't give away spoilers at the beginning about how it's going to end. The 45 minutes of the video flew by very quickly.
Thanks for another great video, with clear and concise narration and graphics. I really like the understanding offered to crew operating under stress, and the pleasure taken at a nice bit of piloting
Can I just say I love the way you start your ads, very smooth and feels human!
Thank you! It’s always tricky to do that properly 😂
What an odd comment 😂
@@RaccooniusIII that comment was sponsored by openAI.
on that note honestly would prefer if the sponsored segments started less "human" so i can easier skip them
@@RaccooniusIII yeah true 🤣 idk why I had to say
@@mandurrudnam7632 no I’m not sponsored by anyone lmao 🤣 where you getting this from mate
Good morning from the USA. I’m excited to catch this one only 2 min after posting. Always love your videos.
Although the pilot made one small mistake, they did manage the emergency pretty well after that. Keeping CRM and making logical decisions instead of panic.
Plus the mistake of working for TNT
A really complex but nuanced scenario, really well explained. Big credit to the crew for the safe outcome