Is the Nissan X-trail's 4wd system any good?
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2023
- Is the Nissan X-trail's 4wd system any good?
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Brilliant detailed video thank you and much appreciated, bought a 2006 xtrail last week 🙂
Congratulations!
Great channel! Thanks!
Very well explained, thank you
Fantastic video. Very well explained. Thank you.
Thank you!
Very Good Video !!!Well Illustrated and Explained , Fairly Comprehensively !! 👍
Topics Are Very Relevant , Practical And Expressed/Explained In a Clear Manner !! 👍
Thanks!
Small corrections: The X-trail has a Pro-active system, Even the T30 sends current to the 4wd clutch pack when it senses engine load or throttle input. That meant, when you are cruising at constant speed in auto, no current to the clutch pack, if you touch the acc pedal, some current is sent to the clutch. Have made some videos on my channel wit an amp meter, and also, if you have a scanner, then in the awd module, you can monitor the parameters. It is slow to display, if over 2 inputs are displayed.
On the T31, when over 40kmh, lock goes out and you have to knob again to lock mode.
In Australian market, the T30 did not have ESP/VSC with the Brake assisted LSD.
At 5:10 you can see that you had the acc pedal pressed when you released the clutch and there was no delay from the back wheel.
Again, there there is no center diff, only a 4wd clutch pack in front of the rear diff.
The problem with the Auto mode in hard offroading is that it locks the 4wd clutch to 100% very rarely. Sure in most caces it is enough.
Please check my video of the 4wd clutch activity when city driving.
Thanks for your input. I had a look at your video. Great test 👍
Can you tell me if I can bypass the solenoid in order to get 100% clutch engagement. I have installed a T30 rear assembly on my Renault Kangoo 4x4 (ghanged the gear ratio) but didnt connect the electrical system yet. (Kangoo uses a viscous coupling instead of the electromagnetic cluch)
@@apostoloskatsanis1914 I do not know the voltage, but i I know that on the T30, 100% lock is 2.8amps.
Dont have the T30 anymore to test the voltage. It would be simple just to use a regulates 3 amp 12v regulated voltage under a switch to lock the 4wd.
Very informative! Well done 😊
Cheers mate
Very interesting to see real life review.I’m looking to get a 2007 model to tow my boat and have some mild off road adventures of my own. Possibly fitting a roof tent.
I missed my T30 - MT so much ive recently bought T31 - CVT, still very capable off road as long as your gentle.
As long as your gentle on the throttle... Keep an eye on that CVT.
@sjc4wdoffroad.576 yeah I don't see the traction control being turned off at all 🤣
I LOVE my XTrail T30 Avenura! Got AT Grabbers and about to get the Pedders lift. Automatic is so much better for off road driving I agree with you. I can get more in the back of it than an L200/Ranger etc.
Thank you for the info :-)
You're welcome
I've moved to an XC70 ... not as off-roady, but gets the light rough road job done (mind you 3 years older...)
Awesome bro!
Cheers!
Thank you for this. I know how the 4WD system works, but not in the detail that you have just explained it. I tend to keep it in 2WD on dry paved roads and only switch to auto 4WD in wet slippery weather. It does handle very well in such conditions, but you need decent tyres.
Great video.
Thanks
I use lock for snow, I havent done much testing but it seems to prevent wheel spin and help keep momentum. Make it easy to leave my driveway even with a foot of snow. I turn it back to auto when on the road
Excellent video. I also didn't know about that recovery gear but want to get it now.
Nissan Auto mode appers to be really good. Used it in snow once in my R51LE and didn't notice any slippage or hard engagement. Thought maybe it was just stuck in 4x4 mode since it worked so good. Good piece of mind on wet roads also.
Nice and well explained mate. I haven't owned an X trail but the viscous centre diff in most Subarus are very good too and responsive. Cheers 👍
Cheers. Yes I know the subarus have great systems. I used to own a Forester that we take to ski fields.
I would think that using a better All Terrain tyre or even Mud tyres would make a massive improvement off road .
As it would reduce wheel spin/slip, it may even reduce overheating of the viscous coupling.
Thanks!
Cheers mate!
Good video, it couldn't be better explained! I have a traction test of a manual T30 on my channel.
Just had a look at your video. 👌
Thanks
T30 X-Trail don't have center differential in the transfer case. Instead, It have a magnetic/electronically controlled solenoid in the rear differential, making engaged/dissengaged the 4wd mode. Grettings from Paraguay!
Yes correct. Coupling attached to rear diff.
I had two, three month trips to West Australia last year and had a 2001 Pathfinder. It was awesome 👌.
Here in the UK, 3 months ago I got a 2011 X-trail. It needs a new blummin heater matrix 😮...
But otherwise I love it. Wondering if I should get M+S or all terrain tyres.
awesome video as always. practical!
Cheers!
Great video. Thank you! Which mode do you use on the paved road/city commuting?
Auto. I never use 2wd anymore.
Awsome video!! Where did you get the tow hitch for your car? Im trying to find one for my car. Thank you!
Cheers! Wreckers
Excellent video, thanks.
Cheers!
i went to stockton recently and was getting bogged quite a bit, i have a 2009 stock manual and am keen on getting a lift kit. Great video! i now realise i possibly left the lock mode on and was stuck in front wd while revving the hell out of the engine to try and free the car. Do you have any tips on using the clutch in these situations if possible, i was burning it quite a bit while getting bogged and especially in reverse! I also am not sure if the 4wd icon was blinking when i was bogged and back wheels werent spinning, any way u think i can check this?
Unfortunately, the clutch will really suffer as the Xtrail doesn't have low range gears sonit will be stressful on the clutch. Yes, you're better off to leave it in auto when on the sand. I used to switch to lock on heavy sand years ago but stopped as it would overheat the oil in the coupling and disengage.
Cool video thanks. How do you rate the bog out system?
I love the bogout 👌 Definitely worth having.
I recently found your channel and loving the content, instant sub! I have a t31 st and we went on our first big trip from Perth to karijini with no major hitches, though some of the unsealed roads in the National park were veeery corrugated 😬 for the lock mode (I’ve only ever used auto), does the car need to be in neutral before you switch? And also what all terrain tyres would you recommend for a t31? Thanks for your help!
Auto mode can be switched on the fly even if the car is driving. Because you take it to remote gravel roads I'd stick to reputable brands for tyres. If you'll be mostly on dirt roads and not so much offroad tracks, you can put on 215 70 16 or equivalent. Just a tad taller than stock to maintain reliability and efficiency. Otherwise 225 70 16 or equivalent.
@@ruggedlife thanks so much for the advice mate :) and with the lock mode, do you just stick it in neutral while stopped with car on and then flick over to lock?
@@JellyJamBoyGaming no worries. no need to put it in neutral. Just as long as the car is stopped, you'll be alright.
I have 235/60 R18, and there is small rubbing when the sreering is in full lock. You can put the info into a tyre size calkulator and see what rims you have. From auto to lock> just switch before the mud hole, non need to be stationary, The system does not allow to switch modes when you are stuck and spinn wheels. It is safe do be on the move,because the is no mechanical locking, only the 4wd clutch gets pressed to it's max clamping force.
Thanks for the vid. It really helps me understand my 2005 T30's traction. I'm curious, when auto or 4x4 kicks in, the passenger front and the driver's rear wheel spun. How come it was reversed (driver's front and passenger rear wheels turning) when you were able to use the bog strapping when your initial demo didn't spin that passenger rear wheel? Am I missing something about which wheels provide traction? Thanks again
Unless it’s selectable with numerous sticks and buttons, it’s all about the same besides it’s refinement. When a minuscule 2 wheel drive manual can do a 4wd trip and trick, it’s only how it’s used, limited by its reasonable strengths and obvious flaws.
I’d buy one and am currently looking, hopefully for a goodie fixer upper or cheap enough to just go.
And Xtrail is reonsble costs, efficiency, pros and cons and it’s all there if you use it wisely.
Surely beats another $15000-20000 for the same thing but without the ruggedness or brusha-ability
Mate, that was awesome. Ive owned 3 Xtrails and you have inspired me to buy another. Does the T31 operate offroad similar to the T30? Thanks heaps.
Cheers. Yes the T31 is pretty much the same.
The T31 is longer like 20cm, so maybe in tight places it is worse. The T31 came with the Brake assisted LSD on every 4wd model. It goes not back to lock when you exceed the 40kmh
Awesome video as I'm looking to slowly modify my xtrail for some off-roading. I noticed that while you tested the auto and locked that as the center diff locked and distributed power to both front and back, BUT because the front and rear diffs are still OPEN diffs they both just spun on the 2 wheels with least resistance. Is that a correct observation or am I misunderstanding how the diffs work?
cheers
Yes correct. Also, when I said 'centre diff', I mean the coupling which is actually located just before the rear diff.
Awesome thanks 🙂
@@ruggedlife Does the T30 have traction control to stop one wheel spinning and send power to the wheel with traction?
@@jasonjaafar no it doesn't
ESP was on/off?
good.
Hey I recently bought a t30 manual, still learning about the functions etc. Does the 4wd oil need replacing at intervals and if so how is it done. The viscous 4wd oil. Thanks for the video.
The viscous coupling is attached to the rear diff where the prop shaft is attached to. The oil will need to be replaced at some stage. Not sure if it is part of the rear diff oil and not sure what the oil change interval is. Google or a mechanic that knows will be your best bet.
@@ruggedlife thanks for the reply 👍
Excellent video. Yes, it did clear up a misconception. We're on our 3rd XTrail.
However, I don't like the design of the latest XTrail. What's the best alternative please?
Cheers. It really depends what your after. Looks, onroad performance, comfort, ruggedness etc.
@@ruggedlife Which medium SUV (like an XTrail) has the best 4WD capabilities?
I have an Isuzu KB from 92, but I got stuck all the time because it had no differential lockers. Then I welded the satellites in the differential to make it in 4wd always 100% locked, never got stuck since then, the front wheels just keep on pulling me through. To me a 4wd without diff locks is pretty useless.
Have you changed the rear crankshaft seal would perhaps know the seal size or part number. Thank you
Haven't had to do that yet.
Duster's don't come with LSD, it was available on eastern market with auto Locker (Blokka made in Russia, One Click maybe some other manufacturers) you can buy aftermarket torsen LSD's or air locker.
Thanks for the info.
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Have you tried switching the transfer case gear oil to 75w-140? That’s what I use and it usually doesn’t lock up at all
I'm assuming when you say 'transfer case' you're referring to the rear diff oil where the viscus coupling is? No I haven't.
Which year models have the lock mode?
I'm pretty sure it's all models.
Does anyone know if leaving the t30 in Auto mode burn more fuel when the vehicle is getting decent traction and the rear wheels are not engaged? Does it make sense to leave it in auto mode? Or will running in 2wd under normal conditions be more economic?
You wont notice any difference. I didnt and leave it on auto mode for safety and stability
Excellent, thank you!
Hi, can i use auto mode to tow on the highway
Yes. You should use it when towing.
LSD is aftermarket in Europe
Mate, you seem to know your X-trail so here’s a question: my 2004 T-30 is vibrating on D and low gears. It goes away as I speed up a bit. It started after a bit of a rally through some beach sand roads. Any ideas?
None in neutral? Check your engine and transmission mounts.
Yeah, only in 1st @@ruggedlife
@@GabrielMiro definitely check those mounts
what about subaru forester 2011 it can do the same or its will fail?
Yes Subaru 4wd systems are very good. They are excellent.
Do i have to stop to switch the auto switch?
No need to stop
you got to put the tracky control on
There's no traction control for this model in Australia.
@@ruggedlife dont lie
Wyłącz ESP i spróbuj ponownie:)
This model Xtrail doesn't have ESP.
*Dacia Duster in Europe and some Africa countries and Middle East, Renault Duster in the rest of the world.
What's the point in 4wd lock mode than if its the same has the 4wd auto mode why did nissan do that if there basically the same
They're not the same. Lock mode will lock the coupling whereas auto will only engange when power is fed
@ruggedlife yeah in the video when u tested the auto vs lock it gave u the same results? Now im confused lol
@ruggedlife and also what type of brake pads u using cause I've put the cheap shit on my t30 and new rotors and there grinding like no tomorrow and took it to a mechanic and said dont use cheap pads use bendix instead wich I'm gunna do i had bendix on my other cars and there good pads
@@michaelpearson9 I use Bendix pads 👌
@@michaelpearson9 yes, same result in terms of the rear tyre enganging as soon as power is fed/loss of traction in front. Also, the percentage of power fed to the rear is 50/50 when lock is enganged. Whereas in auto, it may not be 50/50 split between front and back as the system will decide how much power is fed to the rear depending on conditions.
I sure hope thats a Manual, the I've hardly seen one of these things with a CVT that worked as it should.
It's a full auto not a CVT.
@@ruggedlife Where'd you get that? It'd be interesting to know out of curiosity. I run a 2.0dCi manual T31. I love that car. All the mechanics I know say T32 and T33 sucks. And D23 and D24 Navaras are certified trash cars. The end of the line for me with T31. I'll ride it until I have a reason to stop.
@@HHalcyon Australia. But I believe all auto T30's prior to 2007 were none CVTs.
@@ruggedlife fair enough. I'm driving a manual for obvious reasons.
Has the Xtrail got no braked traction control?
- bit sad really, the lack of capability
Not this model.
I am confused between crv and xtrail 2005, which one to buy.
If it was me I'd buy the Xtrail.
Is it 2.0 or 2.5 cc?
2.5L
Nissan X trail 2.0 diesel(2008) or Hyundai Santa fe 2.2 diesel (2008)???
Xtrail if you want to take it offroad. Hyundai for efficiency.
then useless the lock mode is only 2wd
4WD without diff locks is basically useless
Absolutely, what’s the point?!
Sometimes that 1 extra wheel giving a little push is enough to lose traction so it is not completely useless, just not materializing full potential of 4WD
I was meaning not letting lose traction, but made mistake and bug in YT app prevents me from editing coments
Now you said it❤
You couldn’t be more wrong