My problem is thinking of the right questions on the fly. My tendency is to jump to "you are wrong". I like your examples in the questions. Enough practice I'll probably get to where I can ask good questions.
Yep, practice. Take it slow, experiment with your rythm with folks you're comfortable with, and imagine yourself responding and asking questions in an SE conversation. Also, the Atheos app might be useful, I quite liked it :)
Yeah I have trouble not laughing at the stupid bullshit and the mental gymnastics they perform to justify and explain their foregone conclusions. I enjoy delusional people. They’re funny.
I've found the phrase, "what do you mean by that?" to be a good phrase on the fly. Or, if you want to turn back or away from SE for any reason at the time, NVC can be very helpful to study as well. Particularly the phrase, "are you feeling _____, because _____?" Often the genuine connection with what they're feeling, and an openness toward whatever comes up, can really be helpful for both parties in coming to understand one another more clearly.
I recall a conversation back in college with a political science major. He questioned my assumptions about certain political figures and demanded why I held those opinions. It wasn't SE but he confronted me directly without ridiculing me. I've never forgotten it
I have been watching you for a long time. I love talking about religion, metaphysics, and epistemology. I have asked 3 people to engage in SE with me. 1st was a random date I was on. His claim was that healthcare is a human right. 2nd was my dad. His claim was that he knew my mom loved him. 3rd was my mom. Her claim was that life is unfair. I wasn't prepared for those non religious claims and I wish I had more examples of SE so I won't flounder as much!
@@magnabosco210 Thanks, and I'm getting more comfortable using it so thats good. I found myself saying "this is hard for me, in this method we're supposed to (enter SE technique here)" but i'm having a hard time with developing these questions." Not sure how helpful that was for my convo partner, but they definitely got me thinking!
@@jonathankaufold7503 critical thinking lol Kakistocrats are like: "nahh , just giveEm DaVaxGeneTherapy from5yo instead, and then tell their parents myocarditis and strokes in young children is just, The New Normal." . #UnfuckTheCourts
Anthony, I learned about reflecting emotions back to people when we had 3 teens loving at home. It was very effective in the way they felt “heard”. Like Steven Covey said,” first, listen to understand. Then to be understood.” Your approach seems to focus mostly on the first half of his statement.
I think he might have said, "First try to understand, then to be understood." On the other hand, your version might be an improvement on what he said, and a more accurate description of what Magnabosco is doing when he does SE.
I’m not sure how odd I may be but I found you because of Peter Boghossian., and though this may have been kind of started through atheistic endeavors, I a Christian, and this, is what I think the apostle Paul was speaking of when he talked about being able to defend the faith that is in you. Not only that, but if loving your fellow man is important to you, then Socratic/SE techniques are a great way to communicate genuine empathy with someone you totally disagree with topically. Love what y’all are doing. 👍🏼👍🏼
Journalists could do well to use this technique to AVOID sensationalism. The daily modelling of such ego-less interaction will do wonders for the general public's trust in how their society works and/or how well it might be doing.
Anthony. Or anyone else practicing SE. Im wondering if you have suggestions on how to introduce critical thinking and epistemology to children.? Any claims to start with? Or best methods to get young kids 8-9 years old, or teens excited and intrigued about exploring beliefs and truth? How to make it fun, and non threatening?
I am in this same boat, kind of; I have a teenager who just always had a natural affinity for asking questions and investigating claims. He naturally cared about how we know things. My 7 year old on the other hand *oi vey* I would suggest that, depending on your household, you could investigate some things already mentioned, like Santa or the Easter Bunny. Otherwise take a crack at Bigfoot, chupacabra, and other cryptids. Or, and this one has been fun for me, there are a whole bunch of new random claims (stories really) being presented online through youtube and edited videos. Think slenderman, or long horse, or whatever that other one that was freaky but I can't remember the name of 😅 Do what you can to help your kiddo start asking the questions themselves. I feel like that is where I've made the most progress. I often prompt him with "can you tell me more about that?" Also some chapter books that go through any type of investigating, there are worksheets you can download offline and print. My favorite book on this specific subject is "Raising Freethinkers" by Dale McGowan and others. Best wishes! You taking the time to think about this and search out information is huge! I feel like that alone guarantees them a solid platform! And keep us updated, yeah? I would love to hear more about your experiences!
@@mosdefsteph Thank you for your reply! Ill definitely look into the book you mentioned. It sounds like I have the opposite of you, a 9 year old who is a deeeep thinker, and expresses all of her thoughts very well, and questions everything. And a teen…lol. But yes, thank you for the info and guidance. Im really gonna start focusing on how to integrate some of these SE techniques in our conversations to really get them talking, listening, and most important THINKING!
Question on steps 4 and 5: Am I right in understanding that step 4is about their reasons for the belief (why do you belief this?) and step 5 is about their confidence in the reliability of that "why."--that method of determining what is true? So you go from what they believe (the belief claim) to why they believe the claim to be true (which invariably comes down to some form of "faith" because the "evidence" they start with can always be loosened by good questions. And, finally, most importantly to exploring "faith" as a means of knowing what is true.
After you establish their reasoning for believing their claim is true to some degree of confidence, it’s time to move onto the epistemology, or in other words, how they assessed the quality of that reason to think it’s capable of supporting their claim to that degree of confidence. Faith is a factor only if they bring it up as core component to their reasoning, to which you can obtain their definition of that word faith and then begin to explore with them how it factors in reaching their conclusion.
She mentioned FDA approval, and i would have asked her about that. If it got approval all of a sudden (which it did) would that affect her belief? I bet not, but sometimes them saying it starts to help them see their own inconsistency.
As it turns out this woman's approach becomes more obviously correct as the medical professionals are having to assess just how different the mRNA vaccine works and the adverse effects it is having. The term " informed consent" is a vital part of medical practice which has often been ignored in this roll out. I suggest this is an area that could go very wrong for experimental conversations if vital information is not available.
How do you do street epistemology well or how do you do good street epistemology. I’m from Wisconsin so I lean toward using good. Maybe I’m not as bad at grammar as I thought.
Takes practice. We've been working on a self-directed course. The first half is nearly ready for release. streetepistemology.com/learning-course The SE communities are also a great place to find others interested in practicing.
It is actually all around of the word, here you have a chilean living in Sweden interested in street epistemology for having dialogs with latin american believers.
Take note: Mary's original claim is NOT about the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccine, but about whether it should be MANDATED. i.e. even if the Covid-19 was effective and safe, should it be mandated?
The resistance I've brought up to SE is that it's inauthentic. You're not genuinely surprised when you give a long pause or gasp after they say their belief is 100percent. You build a rapport with them but it is not genuine because you don't actually want to know them. Your responses to them are carefully controlled and they are not getting to know who you really are or what you really feel. You learn to act friendly but you are not their friend.
You are aware he is interacting with people who may not be true in their conversations or whose conversations cannot all be true as not all religions or beliefs can be true? So 'tricks' and techniques may be in order to steer them away from their usual paths of conversation they might have with a non believer to make them actually reflect on what they believe to be true and have never doubted for some reason. Techniques may be warranted to bequestion things that were put in place with other ( and maybe less open) techniques.
When engaging with someone about the COVID-19 vaccine it is important not to misidentify an interlocutor as an "anti-vaxxer" if the person is opposed only to government imposed, mandatory adherence.
Been watching for a couple years now… I just realized that you need to get on joe rogan I guarantee if he had a minute to see what Anthony does this would be an incredible topic.. because Anthony dedicated his life to this because of the magnitude that it changes the world around us… Behaviors based on beliefs can literally control the world the environment peoples lives… genocidal consequences.. I know this is about one on one conversation… maybe not even talk about SE that much just the actual impact of beliefs on our world n shit… maybe Anthony with somebody else
Do you believe that the reported data is accurate? Why do you hold that belief? Do you believe the government has your best interests in mandating medical decisions for everyone?
What’s wrong with just simply stating to them, in a nice and friendly manner, that Christianity is a supernatural belief system rooted in fear and superstition and then it’s their choice to defend the existence of a supernatural realm or defend a belief in a supernatural realm. Then explain to them how a belief in the supernatural is delusional. At least then, they’ve finally heard the real truth.
@@magnabosco210 that’s the way I lay it out to people. They deserve the truth. They desperately want to believe what’s true and it’s important they understand what’s actual reality vs alt-reality. Your job is to enlighten them to actual reality and that alone begins to expose their alt-reality for what it is. The onus is not on me to be an atheist apologist, it’s on them to defend a silly belief system.
@@wj74 The problem with your approach is that it can raise defenses and close the person down to reflective thinking about the reasoning they used to arrive at their position. I’d suggest ‘How Minds Change’ by McRaney if you feel so inclined. Thanks.
@@magnabosco210 you say that my approach can “raise defenses and close a person down” but I’m not reasonable for what they think. My responsibility to them is to explain how, as far as evidence goes, the natural laws of the universe have never been broken, meaning that the supernatural realm doesn’t exist, therefore a faith-based belief system is delusional. Maybe someday I’ll have the maturity and patience to try and reason with them but I’d rather just plant that seed of doubt. But i appreciate your reading suggestion and for responding to my comments. Thanks
@@wj74 the problem is your approach likely doesn’t achieve the things you think it does. Could even make their situation worse. Plesse keep looking it o SE, maybe even call in to the weekly SE call in show to discuss it with other SEers. See the calendar on the SE website for show times.
@@RetoskiCat assumptions and speculations are fun, eh? I have no beliefs. Perhaps your lack of curiosity and mental laziness has conditioned you to believe in magic... but I would suggest that you refrain from being a believer OR a disbeliever... it leaves you with the same problem of ignorance. Thanks for the chuckle.
@@swashbuckler2319 he is questioning the unvaccinated like he does religious people... from an atheist perspective. It's disingenuous or ignorant... I can't tell yet. I hope it's just that he's not aware of his own ignorance. I ask people: How do you know vaccines work? Have you ever seen a virus? Do you believe people have had adverse reactions or died from recieving a vaccine? Is it possible vaccines aren't as effective as the government and "experts" say it is? See..? See how you can twist it around on yourself and ask why you believe in magical things without questioning yourself?... Is it possible that you are a useful idiot? Intelligent people with independent thinking should ask themselves this question... acceptance of belief as fact is the most fundamental problem in society.
@@glennjohn3824 u think u sound clever. But all you've done is be an uninformed person, and ask uninformed questions of other uninformed people. If you want to be an "intelligent" and "independent" thinker, put in the time and effort to learn and think. Be curious, not judgemental. And try to ask people who are qualified about these questions you have about vaccines. Just because someone couldn't answer your inane questions doesn't mean you've stumbled on some profound truths
Hey anthony, why does anything exist, have you ever examined the arguments from contingency or arguments from design, free will, ontological aguments, Anthony doesnt actual deal with any real arguments for Gods existence.
Sure those topics come up all the time. I invite you to join the SE discord server where you can engage with others who are using this approach. I’m often there as well. Here’s an invitation link to get you started: Street Epistemology Discord Server: discord.gg/sKap3zM
Why do you want to support the government and pharmaceutical industry so much? I got Covid (Omni) very mild. From the beginning, the stats showed Covid for healthy, young people was generally mild with extremely low death rate. So what’s the big benefit for a young healthy person? Especially a child? Why are vaccine passports being promoted even now in some countries, given the mild effects of Covid. The lockdowns were the much more serious problem, causing massive economic and mental health problems.
My problem is thinking of the right questions on the fly. My tendency is to jump to "you are wrong". I like your examples in the questions. Enough practice I'll probably get to where I can ask good questions.
Yep, practice.
Take it slow, experiment with your rythm with folks you're comfortable with, and imagine yourself responding and asking questions in an SE conversation.
Also, the Atheos app might be useful, I quite liked it :)
Yeah I have trouble not laughing at the stupid bullshit and the mental gymnastics they perform to justify and explain their foregone conclusions.
I enjoy delusional people. They’re funny.
Deluded or just a result of their conditioning? Compassion may help you have better conversations.
I've found the phrase, "what do you mean by that?" to be a good phrase on the fly. Or, if you want to turn back or away from SE for any reason at the time, NVC can be very helpful to study as well. Particularly the phrase, "are you feeling _____, because _____?" Often the genuine connection with what they're feeling, and an openness toward whatever comes up, can really be helpful for both parties in coming to understand one another more clearly.
Listen genuinely... and yes, this takes practice, patience, and empathy.
I recall a conversation back in college with a political science major. He questioned my assumptions about certain political figures and demanded why I held those opinions. It wasn't SE but he confronted me directly without ridiculing me. I've never forgotten it
I have been watching you for a long time. I love talking about religion, metaphysics, and epistemology. I have asked 3 people to engage in SE with me. 1st was a random date I was on. His claim was that healthcare is a human right. 2nd was my dad. His claim was that he knew my mom loved him. 3rd was my mom. Her claim was that life is unfair. I wasn't prepared for those non religious claims and I wish I had more examples of SE so I won't flounder as much!
Practice practice practice. Pro-tip: the claim isn’t all that important when doing SE.
@@magnabosco210 Thanks, and I'm getting more comfortable using it so thats good. I found myself saying "this is hard for me, in this method we're supposed to (enter SE technique here)" but i'm having a hard time with developing these questions." Not sure how helpful that was for my convo partner, but they definitely got me thinking!
Street epistemology has the capacity to change the world
Absolutely I wish they talked us in school I know critical thinking at school crazy huh
@@jonathankaufold7503 critical thinking lol Kakistocrats are like:
"nahh ,
just giveEm DaVaxGeneTherapy from5yo instead, and then tell their parents myocarditis and strokes in young children is just, The New Normal."
.
#UnfuckTheCourts
This is a great lesson. Anthony has perfected the art of conversation.
Man that was an absolutely excellent exercise for those of us relatively newer to SE. Really enjoyed the multiple choice approach!
Anthony, I learned about reflecting emotions back to people when we had 3 teens loving at home. It was very effective in the way they felt “heard”.
Like Steven Covey said,” first, listen to understand. Then to be understood.”
Your approach seems to focus mostly on the first half of his statement.
I think he might have said, "First try to understand, then to be understood." On the other hand, your version might be an improvement on what he said, and a more accurate description of what Magnabosco is doing when he does SE.
I think this is an outstanding review. Thank you, Anthony!
I’m not sure how odd I may be but I found you because of Peter Boghossian., and though this may have been kind of started through atheistic endeavors, I a Christian, and this, is what I think the apostle Paul was speaking of when he talked about being able to defend the faith that is in you. Not only that, but if loving your fellow man is important to you, then Socratic/SE techniques are a great way to communicate genuine empathy with someone you totally disagree with topically. Love what y’all are doing. 👍🏼👍🏼
Great work Anthony! Thank you for being...
Awesome, thank you Anthony, and Skepsis!
Loving this series! Thank you for pumping them out so quickly.
Great clip! Very informative. Thank you!
Another great share. Thank you.👍🏾
Journalists could do well to use this technique to AVOID sensationalism. The daily modelling of such ego-less interaction will do wonders for the general public's trust in how their society works and/or how well it might be doing.
I think a good question to ask is "How do you determine how much research is necessary to consider a vaccine safe?"
Anthony. Or anyone else practicing SE. Im wondering if you have suggestions on how to introduce critical thinking and epistemology to children.? Any claims to start with? Or best methods to get young kids 8-9 years old, or teens excited and intrigued about exploring beliefs and truth? How to make it fun, and non threatening?
I am in this same boat, kind of; I have a teenager who just always had a natural affinity for asking questions and investigating claims. He naturally cared about how we know things.
My 7 year old on the other hand *oi vey*
I would suggest that, depending on your household, you could investigate some things already mentioned, like Santa or the Easter Bunny. Otherwise take a crack at Bigfoot, chupacabra, and other cryptids. Or, and this one has been fun for me, there are a whole bunch of new random claims (stories really) being presented online through youtube and edited videos. Think slenderman, or long horse, or whatever that other one that was freaky but I can't remember the name of 😅
Do what you can to help your kiddo start asking the questions themselves. I feel like that is where I've made the most progress. I often prompt him with "can you tell me more about that?"
Also some chapter books that go through any type of investigating, there are worksheets you can download offline and print. My favorite book on this specific subject is "Raising Freethinkers" by Dale McGowan and others.
Best wishes! You taking the time to think about this and search out information is huge! I feel like that alone guarantees them a solid platform! And keep us updated, yeah? I would love to hear more about your experiences!
@@mosdefsteph Thank you for your reply! Ill definitely look into the book you mentioned. It sounds like I have the opposite of you, a 9 year old who is a deeeep thinker, and expresses all of her thoughts very well, and questions everything. And a teen…lol. But yes, thank you for the info and guidance. Im really gonna start focusing on how to integrate some of these SE techniques in our conversations to really get them talking, listening, and most important THINKING!
Question on steps 4 and 5: Am I right in understanding that step 4is about their reasons for the belief (why do you belief this?) and step 5 is about their confidence in the reliability of that "why."--that method of determining what is true? So you go from what they believe (the belief claim) to why they believe the claim to be true (which invariably comes down to some form of "faith" because the "evidence" they start with can always be loosened by good questions. And, finally, most importantly to exploring "faith" as a means of knowing what is true.
After you establish their reasoning for believing their claim is true to some degree of confidence, it’s time to move onto the epistemology, or in other words, how they assessed the quality of that reason to think it’s capable of supporting their claim to that degree of confidence. Faith is a factor only if they bring it up as core component to their reasoning, to which you can obtain their definition of that word faith and then begin to explore with them how it factors in reaching their conclusion.
She mentioned FDA approval, and i would have asked her about that. If it got approval all of a sudden (which it did) would that affect her belief? I bet not, but sometimes them saying it starts to help them see their own inconsistency.
As it turns out this woman's approach becomes more obviously correct as the medical professionals are having to assess just how different the mRNA vaccine works and the adverse effects it is having. The term " informed consent" is a vital part of medical practice which has often been ignored in this roll out. I suggest this is an area that could go very wrong for experimental conversations if vital information is not available.
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How do you do street epistemology well or how do you do good street epistemology.
I’m from Wisconsin so I lean toward using good. Maybe I’m not as bad at grammar as I thought.
Takes practice. We've been working on a self-directed course. The first half is nearly ready for release.
streetepistemology.com/learning-course The SE communities are also a great place to find others interested in practicing.
Great vid 👌, keep them coming ... or else 😂🙈🤣
It is actually all around of the word, here you have a chilean living in Sweden interested in street epistemology for having dialogs with latin american believers.
Take note: Mary's original claim is NOT about the efficacy of Covid-19 vaccine, but about whether it should be MANDATED.
i.e. even if the Covid-19 was effective and safe, should it be mandated?
The resistance I've brought up to SE is that it's inauthentic. You're not genuinely surprised when you give a long pause or gasp after they say their belief is 100percent. You build a rapport with them but it is not genuine because you don't actually want to know them. Your responses to them are carefully controlled and they are not getting to know who you really are or what you really feel. You learn to act friendly but you are not their friend.
You are aware he is interacting with people who may not be true in their conversations or whose conversations cannot all be true as not all religions or beliefs can be true? So 'tricks' and techniques may be in order to steer them away from their usual paths of conversation they might have with a non believer to make them actually reflect on what they believe to be true and have never doubted for some reason.
Techniques may be warranted to bequestion things that were put in place with other ( and maybe less open) techniques.
It's always surprising when someone has 100% belief in something. It's downright bewildering.
3:44 Challenge core beliefs by stating "May I have your consent to explore these beliefs."
When engaging with someone about the COVID-19 vaccine it is important not to misidentify an interlocutor as an "anti-vaxxer" if the person is opposed only to government imposed, mandatory adherence.
Been watching for a couple years now… I just realized that you need to get on joe rogan I guarantee if he had a minute to see what Anthony does this would be an incredible topic.. because Anthony dedicated his life to this because of the magnitude that it changes the world around us… Behaviors based on beliefs can literally control the world the environment peoples lives… genocidal consequences.. I know this is about one on one conversation… maybe not even talk about SE that much just the actual impact of beliefs on our world n shit… maybe Anthony with somebody else
No Joe Rogan required for this to be awesome.
i think asking what would be the worst question might be helpful...
Now that is some prime creationist cherry picking!
Anyone fancy a pie?
Do you believe that the reported data is accurate?
Why do you hold that belief?
Do you believe the government has your best interests in mandating medical decisions for everyone?
What’s wrong with just simply stating to them, in a nice and friendly manner, that Christianity is a supernatural belief system rooted in fear and superstition and then it’s their choice to defend the existence of a supernatural realm or defend a belief in a supernatural realm. Then explain to them how a belief in the supernatural is delusional. At least then, they’ve finally heard the real truth.
Yeah, talks like that never happen
@@magnabosco210 that’s the way I lay it out to people. They deserve the truth. They desperately want to believe what’s true and it’s important they understand what’s actual reality vs alt-reality. Your job is to enlighten them to actual reality and that alone begins to expose their alt-reality for what it is. The onus is not on me to be an atheist apologist, it’s on them to defend a silly belief system.
@@wj74 The problem with your approach is that it can raise defenses and close the person down to reflective thinking about the reasoning they used to arrive at their position. I’d suggest ‘How Minds Change’ by McRaney if you feel so inclined. Thanks.
@@magnabosco210 you say that my approach can “raise defenses and close a person down” but I’m not reasonable for what they think. My responsibility to them is to explain how, as far as evidence goes, the natural laws of the universe have never been broken, meaning that the supernatural realm doesn’t exist, therefore a faith-based belief system is delusional. Maybe someday I’ll have the maturity and patience to try and reason with them but I’d rather just plant that seed of doubt. But i appreciate your reading suggestion and for responding to my comments. Thanks
@@wj74 the problem is your approach likely doesn’t achieve the things you think it does. Could even make their situation worse. Plesse keep looking it o SE, maybe even call in to the weekly SE call in show to discuss it with other SEers. See the calendar on the SE website for show times.
I guess vaccines are this guy's blind spot.
interesting that you find Anthony reasonable until it comes to your beliefs huh
@@RetoskiCat assumptions and speculations are fun, eh? I have no beliefs. Perhaps your lack of curiosity and mental laziness has conditioned you to believe in magic... but I would suggest that you refrain from being a believer OR a disbeliever... it leaves you with the same problem of ignorance. Thanks for the chuckle.
What is it about vaccines that u think Anthony is neglecting?
@@swashbuckler2319 he is questioning the unvaccinated like he does religious people... from an atheist perspective. It's disingenuous or ignorant... I can't tell yet. I hope it's just that he's not aware of his own ignorance.
I ask people: How do you know vaccines work?
Have you ever seen a virus?
Do you believe people have had adverse reactions or died from recieving a vaccine?
Is it possible vaccines aren't as effective as the government and "experts" say it is?
See..? See how you can twist it around on yourself and ask why you believe in magical things without questioning yourself?...
Is it possible that you are a useful idiot? Intelligent people with independent thinking should ask themselves this question... acceptance of belief as fact is the most fundamental problem in society.
@@glennjohn3824 u think u sound clever. But all you've done is be an uninformed person, and ask uninformed questions of other uninformed people. If you want to be an "intelligent" and "independent" thinker, put in the time and effort to learn and think. Be curious, not judgemental. And try to ask people who are qualified about these questions you have about vaccines. Just because someone couldn't answer your inane questions doesn't mean you've stumbled on some profound truths
Hey anthony, why does anything exist, have you ever examined the arguments from contingency or arguments from design, free will, ontological aguments, Anthony doesnt actual deal with any real arguments for Gods existence.
Sure those topics come up all the time. I invite you to join the SE discord server where you can engage with others who are using this approach. I’m often there as well. Here’s an invitation link to get you started: Street Epistemology Discord Server: discord.gg/sKap3zM
Why do you want to support the government and pharmaceutical industry so much?
I got Covid (Omni) very mild. From the beginning, the stats showed Covid for healthy, young people was generally mild with extremely low death rate. So what’s the big benefit for a young healthy person? Especially a child?
Why are vaccine passports being promoted even now in some countries, given the mild effects of Covid. The lockdowns were the much more serious problem, causing massive economic and mental health problems.